Office system for EB?

[Atraphoenix]

I am planning to extend my mod so as to make more offices for every factions.
IMHO, a cabinet like system did not exist in the time frame of EB but it will be a good idea to add some office like ancillaries, for example Guardian of King, War, finacial etc Advisors, or maybe Secret Service Officer something like that handles "dirty jobs" of the king or chieftain, and of course local governors etc.

My main concern is Roma has already has a trait office sytem so it be a torture for me how to add some offices, but do not you think It would be great to have a "Dictator for Life" ancillary?

Your comments will be aprriciated.

Atra

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I agree with everything you said! Perhaps some ancillaries to some cities when a character conquers them??

[Atraphoenix]

It is easy for me to trigger it :laugh4:
I wish I had choice to add Consuls, Censor etc.
But RTW system does not allow me only additional ones for Rome :shrug:

[antisocialmunky]

It would be nice if offices came with some rhyme or reason that was in the player's control as its kinda just random right now for hte Romans.

[Maion Maroneios]

Sounds good mate.

Maion

[Mulceber]

It would be great to have a "Dictator for Life" ancillary?

No. There were only two people in Rome's history that were given that title; one was Caesar, the other was Sulla. IIRC, the dictatorships throughout the Repubic were mainly only for when Rome was in severe danger, so the trait could possibly be given to a person if the enemy comes within 1-2 provinces of Rome or something like that (at which point, the person should only hold that office for 2 turns), but the dictator for life really only came around in the turmoil of the late Republic. Since EB really isn't able to represent this turmoil, it's best to leave the dictator for life out as well.

I really don't think the Romani need any more offices. They've got pretty much all the ones that the Republic historically had. The others maybe, but definitely not the Romani. -M

[Atraphoenix]

I know romani have enough of them, In EB, only Romani and AS have offices, I added some offices for Pahlava in my mod and I am planning to add for barbarian factions and of course for Hellenic factions, too.

But modding, editing, coding the easiest part for me, I should read all of the historical info about government system of other factions, of course most of them had a systematical bureaucracy but even the barbarian factions had their own governing officers as well, that was the missing thing I want to improve.

BTW I should read a lot more to make it historical :book:

P.S. Dictators were chosen in emergencies for 6 months (IIRC) so a one turn ancillary, that is why I am leaving Romani as they are...



List of magistri militum

Unspecified commands

* 383-385/8: Flavius Bauto, magister militum under Valentinian II
* 385/8-394: Arbogast, magister militum under Valentinian II and Eugenius
* 421-432: Flavius Gaudentius
* 383-388: Andragathius
* 433-454: Flavius Aetius
* 455: Avitus
* 455-472: Ricimer
* 472-473: Gundobad
* 475-476: Flavius Orestes
* ? - 480: Ovida

per Gallias

* 362-364: Flavius Iovinus, magister equitum under Julian and Jovian
* 410s-421: Flavius Constantius
* 352-355: Claudius Silvanus
* 425-433: Flavius Aetius
* 450s-464: Aegidius
* 464-486: Syagrius

per Illyricum

* ?-350: Vetranio, magister peditum under Constans
* 361: Flavius Iovinus, magister equitum under Julian
* 365-375: Equitius, magister utriusquae militiae under Valentinian I
* 457?-468: Marcellinus
* 468-474: Julius Nepos
* 530-536: Mundus

per Orientem

* ca. 347: Flavius Eusebius, magister utriusquae militiae
* 349-359: Ursicinus, magister equitum under Constantius
* 359-360: Sabinianus, magister equitum under Constantius
* 363-367: Lupicinus, magister equitum under Jovian and Valens
* 371-378: Iulius, magister equitum et Peditum under Valens
* 383: Flavius Richomeres, magister equitum et peditum
* 383-388: Ellebichus, magister equitum et peditum
* 392: Eutherius, magister equitum et peditum
* 393-396: Addaeus, magister equitum et peditum
* 460s-471: Flavius Ardabur Aspar
* 483-488: Flavius Theodoricus
* c.503-505: Areobindus Dagalaiphus Areobindus

per Thracias

* 377-378: Flavius Saturninus, magister equitum under Valens
* 377-378: Traianus, magister peditum under Valens
* 378: Sebastianus, magister peditum under Valens
* 382-383: Flavius Saturninus, magister peditum under Valens
* 380-382: Flavius Saturninus, magister equitum under Theodosius I
* 382-383: Flavius Saturninus, magister equitum under Theodosius I
* 392-393: Flavius Stilicho, magister equitum et peditum
* 441: Ioannes the Vandal, magister utriusque militiae
* 468-474: Armatus

in praesenti

* 351-361: Flavius Arbitio, magister equitum under Constantius
* 361-363: Flavius Nevitta, magister equitum under Julian
* 363-379: Victor, magister equitum under Valens
* 366-378: Flavius Arinthaeus, magister peditum under Valens
* 364-369: Flavius Iovinus, magister equitum under Valentinian I
* 364-366: Dagalaifus, magister peditum under Valentinian I
* 367-372: Severus, magister peditum under Valentinian I
* 369-373: Flavius Theodosius, magister equitum under Valentinian I
* 375-388: Flavius Merobaudes, magister peditum under Valentinian I, Gratian and Magnus Maximus
* 394-408: Flavius Stilicho, magister equitum et peditum
* 475-477/478: Armatus
* 546-548: Artabanes
* 585-?: Comentiolus

Western Empire

* 373-375: Flavius Theodosius, magister equitum
* 386-398: Gildo, magister equitum et peditum

Eastern Empire

* 534-536: Solomon
* 536-539: Germanus Justinus
* 539-544: Solomon
* 544-546: Sergius
* 545-546: Areobindus
* 546: Artabanes
* 546-552: John Troglita

as you can easily magister militums are far beyond EB.....

[Maion Maroneios]

P.S. Dictators were chosen in emergencies for 6 months (IIRC) so a one turn ancillary, that is why I am leaving Romani as they are...
2-turn ancillary:yes:

Maion

[Mulceber]

2-turn ancillary:yes:

Maion

Yeah, because in EB, each turn is 3 months/1 season, not 6 months like in vanilla.

Also, if we were to do that, the conference of the title of dictator should have some sort of noticeable ingame effect - either all unit prices are cut in half for those two turns, or something of that nature. -M

[Atraphoenix]

Because of the fact that it will take hours even days to search just an office especially used by a faction I am indecisive to use English titles or native titles:

for example : unsure about what was the generalissimo of Parthians;




George Rawlinson : The Seven Great Monarchies Of The Ancient Eastern World, Vol 6. (of 7): Parthia

There were probably several grades of rank among the nobles. The highest dignity in the kingdom, next to the Crown, was that of Surena, or "Field-Marshal;" and this position was hereditary in a particular family, which can have stood but a little below the royal house in wealth and consequence. The head of this noble house is stated to have at one time brought into the field as many as 10,000 retainers and slaves, of whom a thousand were heavy-armed. It was his right to place the diadem on the king's brow at his coronation. The other nobles lived for the most part on their domains, but took the field at the head of their retainers in case of war, and in peace sometimes served the offices of satrap, vizier, or royal councillor. The wealth of the class was great; its members were inclined to be turbulent, and, like the barons of the European kingdoms, acted as a constant check and counterpoise to the royal dignity.

I thought that parthians used "Spahbod" or "Spehbod" for chief commander. :dizzy2:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

2-turn ancillary:yes:

Maion

Can't be done. Ancillaries in RTW can not be removed from a character via console or script.
And I highly doubt that anyone will start giving that ancillary to another character just to be 'historically accurate'.
This 'Dictator for Life' ancillary could be given to FactionLeader or some character with 7-10 Command and 10 Influence?

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, I never said it could be done. I just corrected Atraphoenix when he said that it would be a 1-turn ancillary (6 months), because EB runs on a 4-turns-per-year script.

Maion

[Zmaj Drevni]

more offices - more fun! :whip:

[Atraphoenix]

yep, 2 turns if you activate it :laugh4:
If I strictly depend on historical corrections, my mod will be very restricted, mainly for Romani, so what is your ideas, historical but limited offices, no İmperator, Triumvirate or Dictator for Life e.g. or historical but mostly no Romani offices(as you know you cannot strip off offices in RTW engine because I mod ancillaries)?

[Atraphoenix]

check this :laugh4: :

https://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7294/rometwalx20090204214135bq5.jpg

what do you say?

[V.T. Marvin]

what do you say?

I say BEAUTIFUL!!! Good job!:2thumbsup:

The only thing that disturbs me is that you have Legio XXI so early in the game. But I presume that it is just a test run and that when complete your mod will assign legion numbers in sequence (I, then II, then III, then ...), will it not?
BTW, IIRC ExRM mod for RTR has rather well developed system of cursus honorum and legion-army ancillaries. You might want to check it for inspiration here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=189465).

Good luck! :2thumbsup::bow:

[Atraphoenix]

The only thing that disturbs me is that you have Legio XXI so early in the game. But I presume that it is just a test run and that when complete your mod will assign legion numbers in sequence (I, then II, then III, then ...), will it not?

my mod did not finished yet of course :no:
I could finished the photoshopping torture only and writing descriptions,
I am checking the where the legions levied and i will code according to it, the problem is legion number system changed very much in Roman history, but my style is ok methinks in republican area, I will change my triggers,

I think legatus legionis enough for Romani for my first release, I should add many for others as well.

your link does not work if you PM me or write the that work's site etc. I will be happy to check :beam:

Thanks

Atra

[V.T. Marvin]

:oops:Sorry for that broken link - it was a typing mistake of mine, corrected in the previous post and once again here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=189465):embarassed:

[Atraphoenix]

thanks, but their scope is far from my frame :dizzy2:
I am a lonely submodder ~:mecry:
I have RTR in another folder I will try this submod as well :yes:
Thanks again :egypt:

[Atraphoenix]

This 'Dictator for Life' ancillary could be given to FactionLeader or some character with 7-10 Command and 10 Influence?
I can mod it easily, but I did not decide yet wether I will depend on historical accuracy or not...
When I decide it I will open my post in Submods..

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Is it possible to have an 'Roman Legion' ancillary to other factions?
I mean, if some your general utterly destroys a Roman Legion where a 1st Cohort is you will receive this ancillary??
If it is I really want to play against Romani!!

[Atraphoenix]

It is possible. :laugh4:
AFAIK that was a trait was included in vanilla BI. but to convert it to an ancillary, easy job for me.
"Eagle Taker" or smth like that was that trait.

Yep, I remember correctly that is the code of the trait in BI.


;------------------------------------------
Trait CapturedEagle
Characters family

Level Eagle_Taker
Description Eagle_Taker_desc
EffectsDescription Eagle_Taker_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Command 1

Level Two_Eagles
Description Two_Eagles_desc
EffectsDescription Two_Eagles_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Command 2

Level Eagle_Collector
Description Eagle_Collector_desc
EffectsDescription Eagle_Collector_effects_desc
Epithet Eagle_Collector_epithet_desc
Threshold 3

Effect Command 3


it will be splendid if we could add ancillaries the prisoners of war. No chance with any of RTW exes...

P.S. But only Romani can be Lagatus in my mod.