Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[A Very Super Market]

What. Camillan troops superior to their successors? Blasphemy!

Skirmisher cavalry is a waste. Not enough men for a rush, not enough javelins to last.

[Βελισάριος]

Wow... a lot of activity online! Excellent!

Although I must express one concern... none of the actual "Roman" players have shown any interest in these battles. So far it's only been Greek generals taking up the Roman banner.

I'd like to see you guys involved a bit more. After all, the tournament's about to start soon and we all need practice, right?

[Gabeed]

I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy. :egypt:

[Potocello]

Yah i see what you're saying Burebista. So far the only ones i've seen playing are you, me, Tolg, IrishHitman, and Phalanx300. You all need to start playing with us! :smash:

Maybe we'll have to edit the list of who will actually participate in the tournament.


I'd start participating in these "test games" as well, but I will neither reveal my army nor my brilliant strategy.

No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

[Gabeed]

No need to, you could always just test out different armies and such :).

Yeah, I was just looking for an excuse to brag and use the Egypt smiley. How do you guys keep meeting up for games? Are you just stumbling across one another online, or is there a specific time you play?

[Tolg]

Well, we usually play in the evening (GMT).

I think best way to meet one of us is to join the Europa Barbarorum Hamachi network (Pw: greecevsrome) if someone else is online you can use the messenger included in Hamachi to ask if he's up for a battle.

Edit: On another note, you should try playing Pontos, they have some interessting support units. (Check this link (https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_pontos_units.html).)

[BurningEGO]

Uhmpf, i might join the hamachi server one of these days (if i am allowed to of course).

But i need someone relatively novice to pratice with. I dont care loosing, but i dont want to get totaly smashed either.

So yeah, who else is new to this? :clown:

[Βελισάριος]

Well, I'm online now... join the Hamachi group.

That goes for everyone. Download Hamachi here (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/list.asp) and join the network. "Europa Barbarorum" password (as repeatedly stated by Tolg) "greecevsrome"

I want to get things in order and prepare for the tournament's start.

[HasdrubalBarca]

is it required to join Hamachi for this?
if so, could I get some instructions on how to do so?
I remember the old RTR gold tourneys would work with just the RTW Multiplayer system as opposed to Hamachi. Maybe EB is different, I've never played EB multiplayer before.

I'll be on tomorrow sometime after 7pm US Central Time hopefully we can get a game going.

[Βελισάριος]

Previously posted:


Here you go:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature


Make sure that you have a clean install of: RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
EB 1.1
EB 1.2
The EB 1.2 Fixes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109936)
(Installed in this order)
Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
Click "Multiplayer"
Click "Online Battles"
If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-24-16.jpg In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-38-89.jpg. Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
Download Hamachi (http://en.softonic.com/s/hamachi)
Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
Now it get's tricky:
Cut your main internet connection.
Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
Reenable your Internet connection
return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
[B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!




And you don't need Hamachi, but it makes things a lot easier.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

I would have to agree with this because after a while the boxed in guys would either have to attack or die of starvation or suicide or something... I think that if you make a box you have to formulate an attack or you lose.

I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

[IrishHitman]

I believe the box you can form in TW can´t be formed in real life because unlike TW you can´t have all the perimeter protected with pikes since you can´t put one unit inside of the other. For this reason and the others already pointed, i agree with Potocello. Btw, i´ve been seeing the battles and i must say they´re pretty nice and i didn´t think this tournament could be so fun

Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Ah, but in real life, you can form a circle.

True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

[IrishHitman]

True. But imagine how hard would be to form a circle and mainten it´s consistency ( 10 sarissas for one scutum, for example). As far as i know the phalanks weren´t suppose to form a circle. I could be wrong but i don´t think the phalanks circle is a valid formation.

It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

[antisocialmunky]

I wouldn't mind joining but I'd only be able to play on Saturdays. I wouldn't mind doing some sort of glorious laggy 3 vs 3.

[Lovejoy]

Someone wanna play tonight? Just for fun. :) I will join the hamachi network.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

It would just require the lines further back to fill the gaps.
With enough people, it is theoretically possible.

Practically, it would be too hard to form in battle.

Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

[IrishHitman]

Perhaps you´re right but i still beleive that this circle would not be as strong as the normal phalanks line.
What do you think about the other reasons they posted? My opinion is that the box should not be a valid formation for this tournament or valid as long the boxed player lauchs an attack. Just form a box without proper counter-attack is not feasible. Any thoughts?
Thx

I agree.

I only form them when I want to annoy someone :P

[Phalanx300]

Well you certainly succeeded in that :P.

[soup_alex]

'Scuse me, gents, but when in the GMT do you mostly find it convenient to play? I'm not sure I'd be able to participate in the tournament proper (there's a chance; University activity seems to be cooling off... for now), but would be more than willing to play a few warm-ups as a sort of "test dummy" (or fluffer? :clown: ) in the event that other tourney entrants aren't available, or just to make up the numbers.

[IrishHitman]

'Scuse me, gents, but when in the GMT do you mostly find it convenient to play? I'm not sure I'd be able to participate in the tournament proper (there's a chance; University activity seems to be cooling off... for now), but would be more than willing to play a few warm-ups as a sort of "test dummy" (or fluffer? :clown: ) in the event that other tourney entrants aren't available, or just to make up the numbers.

Any time from four to one in the morning usually..
Sometimes later.

[Lovejoy]

Downloading EB 1.1 for a clean install now. Soon I'll be ready for action! :duel:

[alexanderthegreater]

Im ready to do a friendly match as the Romans right now on regular EB MP. Anyone ready to take up the sarissa?

[antisocialmunky]

:(, I can't find my TW:Eras manual with the key in it.

[Gabeed]

Im ready to do a friendly match as the Romans right now on regular EB MP. Anyone ready to take up the sarissa?

You're on, sir. If you're still available, that is. I'm online in the lobby already.

[alexanderthegreater]

Ill be there, starting up right now.

[alexanderthegreater]

Just finished my first MP game in EB- a hard fought victory

AlexandertheGreater (Romans) - Gabeed (Ptolemies) - Roman Victory

http://www.freewebs.com/files_rings/RomaVictor.rpy

rdy for a rematch now.

[Gabeed]

Sounds good!

[IrishHitman]

Alright, I'm ready to play.

Who wants some?

[Gabeed]

Alright, I'm ready to play.

Who wants some?

I want some, sure.

[IrishHitman]

I want some, sure.

Jump on Hamachi

[Lovejoy]

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.

I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature

1. Make sure that you have a clean install of:
* RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
* EB 1.1
* EB 1.2
* The EB 1.2 Fixes
(Installed in this order)
2. Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
3. Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
4. Click "Multiplayer"
5. Click "Online Battles"


I dont understand step 3. I dont have a "multiplayer .exe". Where is it? The install is completely new.

[Gabeed]

I don't have it, currently. I guess I'll start downloading it . . .

Edit: Huh, that's weird. It won't install on my computer.

[Lovejoy]

Where did you find it? :S

[Gabeed]

The first site I found after typing "hamachi" in google . . .looks like the real site . . .

[antisocialmunky]

Its the shortcut that says 'Play Multi Player' if you installed the trivial script.

[Gabeed]

whoops, sorry Lovejoy, i was replying to Irish, not you. Disregard everything I've said.

[Lovejoy]

EDIT: nvm. everything is working now :)

[Potocello]

Anyone want to play? Lovejoy i sent you a message on Hamachi but you haven't responded =]

[Lovejoy]

I am answering now! :P

[Macilrille]

The thread is cluttering, should the essentials not actually be made a sticky like the Screenshot competition?

[soup_alex]

The thread is cluttering, should the essentials not actually be made a sticky like the Screenshot competition?
Strongly Agree.
Yeah, a stickied thread with a synopsis, rule set and multiplayer guide in the thread starter would be smashing.

[antisocialmunky]

If anyone wants to get one and play, I'm up.

[Lovejoy]

I will be free to play all day if someone is interested. Just played a game and everything works fine. Ill be on hamachi, send me a message if you wanna play ;)

A sticked tread would be great!!

[IrishHitman]

I will be free to play all day if someone is interested. Just played a game and everything works fine. Ill be on hamachi, send me a message if you wanna play ;)

A sticked tread would be great!!

Antisocialmunkey and I are on at the moment, jump into the LAN room.

[Lovejoy]

Heh sorry for disappearing like that earlier. My computer overheated. After that, I'm not sure what happened. I couldn't send chat messages over Hamachi. And couldn't really see anyone... I'll take a look at it later, I suspect my mate was downloading things with bittorrent. Things usually gets messy when someone do that.


(Any one have any idea why me and IrishHitman couldn't see each other, when antisocialmonk could see both? I found that rather strange. I had shotdown all firewalls and such)

[BurningEGO]

(Any one have any idea why me and IrishHitman couldn't see each other, when antisocialmonk could see both? I found that rather strange. I had shotdown all firewalls and such)

Usual hamachi problems - i have had such on other games. I never really liked hamachi due to that + other slight minor problems. Anyway i will probably be online tomorrow or after tomorrow in order to get my first defeat.

[IrishHitman]

IrishHitman (Roman Republic) vs. Antisocialmunkey (Greek Cities) vs. Potocello (Kingdom of Makedonia).
Victor: IrishHitman (Roman Republic)

http://www.mediafire.com/?jygdwvnzzti

A hilarious game.
There was a long period of nothing but cavalry manoeuvres.
Eventually, the two Greek armies attempted to attack me independently, but I moved my forces in front of one of them, causing the other to line up behind the first.

A series of cavalry charges on Antisocial's incomplete defence ring ended in failure, and eventually, Poto attacked Antisocial. I then took the initiative and attacked both as they were attacking each other.
Then it devolved into a slugging match basically, one that I was shocked to come out on top of.

Poto's cav almost caused a complete rout on several occasions...

[Potocello]

Hahaha yah, when i routed those like 5 units by one of my last remaining Phlangites i thought i may win but you came back. Good game guys.

[antisocialmunky]

I should have backed up against the rock.

[IrishHitman]

IrishHitman + Potocello (Kingdom of Macedonia) vs. Lovejoy + Antisocialmunkey (Roman Republic)
Fought at Thermopylae.

Victory to Kingdom of Macedonia.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mdymyzyviic

The game started off with the Romans approaching the Makedonian phalanx, and attempting unsuccessfully to get behind it. Antisocialmunkey had a large mercenary phalanx, but that got eliminated by Poto's phalanx due to the advantage of the hill.

Game degenerated into a slugging match with various attacks from practically all directions.
I formed a semicircle formation to prevent cavalry and infantry attacks, and defended myself until Poto had beaten antisocial, and we then both crushed Lovejoy.

[antisocialmunky]

It was elimnated due to something with the hill. I inflicted a total of about 3 casualties in the minute before my main lie disappeared.

[Antinous]

Ouch antisocialmonkey!

[Lovejoy]

The game started off with the Romans approaching the Makedonian phalanx, and attempting unsuccessfully to get behind it. Antisocialmunkey had a large mercenary phalanx, but that got eliminated by Poto's phalanx due to the advantage of the hill.

Game degenerated into a slugging match with various attacks from practically all directions.
I formed a semicircle formation to prevent cavalry and infantry attacks, and defended myself until Poto had beaten antisocial, and we then both crushed Lovejoy.

I was doing okey against you at the start I think. When Anti lost his army I just went suicide and just charge everything :P I knew I couldn't win against both of you. :shame: Thats why I go nuts at the end - as you see if you look at replay - I'm not that much of a bad commander! :P

[Potocello]

This was the second game we played. It was me and Lovejoy (Makedonia) vs Antisocialmunkey and IrishHitman(Rome).

At first Irish was able to beat me on my left flank, concentrating all of his troops there. I was able to swing some of my phalanxes around to help out, but he was able to keep the pressure on. I then noticed that Lovejoy was having similar issues with his flanks so i sent my Companion Cavalry over to help him out. We were able to rout a good amount of Anti's forces which freed up some of Lovejoy's troops. Lovejoy then brought some troops over to help me and i started to do charges on the rear and flanks of Irish's men. We were able to rout his army as well.

Victory fell to Makedonia. Good fight guys, it was a close one.
replay: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FU85Q1KQ

[antisocialmunky]

Here's kind of a random battle between RvG:

http://files.filefront.com/4PAnyFactionrpy/;13347395;/fileinfo.html

I was the KH, Poto was Saba, Love was the Aedui, and Irish was Macedonia. In short, elephants vs swordsmen is hilarious. Once again Irish's Companions won the day in a very close match.

[Lovejoy]

Victory fell to Makedonia. Good fight guys, it was a close one.
replay: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FU85Q1KQ
That one was really cool. Antisocialmonk had me in his pocket. I was lucky and managed to beat his cav, but at that time his troops had surrounded me completly. If it wasn't for your heroic charge I would have lost in a minute. := Recommended replay. This one is cool.

[antisocialmunky]

Really I think this tournement is showing that a well supported phalanx trumps the Romans. Rome just can't effectively kill Companian Cavalry.

[Βελισάριος]

Well, I don't know... so far I've seen mostly Greek generals leading Roman armies against Greek armies lead by Greek generals.

In any case, the rules have been posted in the first message. Click here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2131483#post2131483)

Also, I would like another show of hands of people who would like to participate and the hours when they are usually available so I can make an updated list of contestants and post that on the start page as well.

The tournament will begin this coming weekend!
Polish your shield, sharpen your sword and make ready your spears! The war begins!

[antisocialmunky]

I'm available Saturday GMT-6 for the most part.

I'm a infantry general with KH/Romanoi. I can win an infantry fight but those Companions are hard to take down with the 4 cav limit. Atleast that's what I've been told: 4 Cav including elephants. However, I didn't see this on page 1.

Also, with the Romans - what about using older units (Camillian on Polybian) like Velites in Marian? There's also the issue of the Bruttians, Lucianians, Ligurians, and Campanians aren't even listed in it while Samnites are. I would think that the Italian Allies would be fair game for Rome.

[ezekiel2517]

could a 100 kb/ps average DSL be able to play in this tournament? i'm also playing with a nvdia 8400 and 4 gigs ram

[Potocello]

could a 100 kb/ps average DSL be able to play in this tournament? i'm also playing with a nvdia 8400 and 4 gigs ram

i'm confident that you could play

[ezekiel2517]

i'm confident that you could play

if it is so, i am in :yes:

[Potocello]

if it is so, i am in :yes:

plus we could always to a test game to test if you really think it may be an issue.

[ezekiel2517]

plus we could always to a test game to test if you really think it may be an issue.

i can only play with hamachi... no cd key :embarassed:

yes i would like to as i have never played online before (and also am a rookie with EB, only 2 weeks playing)

when could we test it out?

edit: i got LZ3's alexander mini mod pack... will i have to remove anything?

[Potocello]

i can only play with hamachi... no cd key :embarassed:

yes i would like to as i have never played online before (and also am a rookie with EB, only 2 weeks playing)

when could we test it out?

edit: i got LZ3's alexander mini mod pack... will i have to remove anything?

so far, it seems that all of us play with Hamachi so there shouldn't be an issue there. :2thumbsup:

as for the mod pack, you will have to have a completely clean version of RTW version 1.5 and a completely clean version of EB 1.2.

i could play tomorrow sometime around 4:00pm eastern time.

[ezekiel2517]

that is too early for me. I can at 8 pm central... 8:30 to be sure

so i gotta reinstall everything? that is lame. Maybe i can install it onto the RTR extra folder i got... dunno if it will be compatible

[Βελισάριος]

Could you chaps specify the time in referrence to GMT? Otherwise, I find it terribly confusing...

[ezekiel2517]

central is GMT -6

[Potocello]

eastern is GMT -5. ezekiel i could play at the time you wanted to tomorrow

[Gabeed]

I'm still available as the Ptolemies. Unfortunately, I have to play online with a CD key as I can't seem to get Hamachi to install on my computer. I'm in Wisconsin, so US Central time, but I'm pretty flexible on Friday and Saturday.

Edit: You should probably specify what battle size to use, Belisarius. I wouldn't be surprised if Large were assumed, but it would be best to have it in the rules.

[Maion Maroneios]

Just wanted to say I'm very, very pleased the Romaioi got their asses whooped. I can't wait until I get my damn laptop (Saturday, whohoo!) and see those replays as well as face some Romaioi on the battlefield.

Maion

[Blxz]

I can attempt to play as romanoi. Never played online before so not sure how good I am tactically. Let me know if you need another Roman player.

I am GMT +10 though, seems that there are lots of american GMT-5's and 6's here. Although I guess I could be available anytime saturday.... if my opponent is a late riser I could be doing an all nighter coked up to the eyeballs. Let me know.



As for Maion, i gotta admit I love reading what you have to say but this saturday those Makedones will fall to Roman swords and evil, studded, stomping sandles:skull:

Edit: And can anyone tell me how to add those pictures that have been created for this tournament to my signature.

[Βελισάριος]

To address some of the issues presented.
There is no cavalry limit, we have decided that, should a player choose to overdo it, he will have an unbalanced army, also cavalry is expensive and not to mention the fact that, while cavalry may win you the battle, at the end of the day, we all know it was the infantry that paved the way to victory.

Second: size issues. The purpose of the trial battles was to try out everyone's online PC capabilities. "Large" seems to work for mostly everyone. If you are not sure about your performance, then ask the person hosting the game to lower unit number to "Normal". Also, tweaking your settings and putting everything on "low" will boost performance and may even let you use "Huge" armies.

Blxz, we will take into consideration the time issue when making match-ups. Once you know who your opponent is, you can discuss and settle on a suitable time for the both of you.

And FYI, you go to the User CP button on the top-left of the page, go to "Edit signature" and copy/paste the picture's link between the "" code, like so:
[IMG] https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Thunder_wulf_X/Europa%20Barbarorum/SlightlyHelleniccopy.jpg

(only, without the spaces, of course)

[antisocialmunky]

Okay, two quick questions:

1) For the Romani, can you use older types of units like Velites(Polybian) in Marian because Romani players won't have any missile units after Polybian by your Unit Limit I?
2) What exactly does this mean?



Additionally, the ratio of faction/mercenary units should be 2-1 at least (this is only for the Legionary and Phalanx units).


This statement seems a little ambiguous. What exactly is the ratio referring to? Is it Legion/Phalanx to Other Units? For example, if a Mak player has 6 phalangites, he can only have a max of 3 Companian Cavalry or 3 Thracian Peltastai? And by mercenary, are you refering to Thracian/Galatian/etc type units that are included on the roster but aren't ethnically part of that faction?

[ezekiel2517]

well, my co-worker called in sick today and i can't do much when he's not there.

I am free for a while. Installing another EB folder as i type this

and it is ready, i believe. I got EB 1.2 with the 3 permanent fixes. Is that all that is needed?

[alexanderthegreater]

Im free right now to do a matchup on regular MP
Im a dux, so you can bring hellenes.

Besides, i have found while fighting Gabeed that if a romaioi player is capable of pushing on his flanks or at least screening them, is often in the advantage since the roman units have better morale and swords which are a boost in an atrittion battle.

A phalanx is an anvil: ie a defensive unit
A legion is a hammer, use offensively and youll push those hellenes into submission.
And don't be scared to attack frontally, even a phalanx, that way your forcing your enemy to commit troops to hold his line, hence he is less able to flank.

[ezekiel2517]

i got an older version of Hamachi. It is supposed to be the only one that works with starcraft, that is why i got it.

the question being, different Hamachi versions work together?

[Βελισάριος]

Okay, two quick questions:

1) For the Romani, can you use older types of units like Velites(Polybian) in Marian because Romani players won't have any missile units after Polybian by your Unit Limit I?

You can use Polybian units in Marian reforms, and Camillan in Polybian. The ones that don't change their equipment etc. with the reforms (i.e. Hastati, Principes, Triarii)


2) What exactly does this mean?


Additionally, the ratio of faction/mercenary units should be 2-1 at least (this is only for the Legionary and Phalanx units).

This statement seems a little ambiguous. What exactly is the ratio referring to? Is it Legion/Phalanx to Other Units? For example, if a Mak player has 6 phalangites, he can only have a max of 3 Companian Cavalry or 3 Thracian Peltastai? And by mercenary, are you refering to Thracian/Galatian/etc type units that are included on the roster but aren't ethnically part of that faction?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I guess that was a bit ambiguous. The ratio of faction/mercenary units of the same type, i.e. 4 Principes/Hastati and 2 Samnite Mercenaries, for example.

I'll include those into the top page. Thanks for pointing them out.

[antisocialmunky]

Okay thanks for the clarification. So the the faction/mercenary of the same type, that onyl applies to the heavy infantry and not our cavalry right? So for example, I can take as many of the Elite Cavalry of the Italian Allies as I want without a limit because they aren't phalanx/legion?

Also what about letting the Romans use the Itallics Regionals during the Polybian Era since Polybian Roman armies were 1/2 Roman and 1/2 Allied Armies with 3 time the allied cavalry as the Romans? I mean, only the Pedites Extraordinarii are more cost efficient than the rest of the Roman units and would make up for the lack of low end Roman spears. The included units would be Samnites, Campanians, Ligurians, Lucianians(missile), and Bruttians.

[Βελισάριος]

For the purpose of this one tournament, I'd have to say no to the Campanians, Ligurians, etc.
And the faction/mercenary ratio applies only to legionary and phalanx units indeed. We figured that using mercenary auxilaries was common practice in those days so mercenary cavalry should be all right.

On the other hand, again, only those units available on the website for now.
I will raise this issue again after the first tournament so for the next one there will be an even longer, more comprehensive set of rules.
If we allow Ligurians for the Romans we would also have to allow Hoplitai Syrakousai for the Greeks, for example.

It's quite possible that for the next tourney we will have a roster much closer to the multiplayer EDU file provided by the EB team already. However, we are still not quite sure if that fits with the overall purpose of this tournament so that issue is still up for discussion.

Hope that makes sense.

Also, munky, shall I write you down as an Imperator?

And Maion, if you get your laptop on Saturday, I'll write you down for Makedonia, then?

[Gabeed]

I'm afraid I have some questions regarding faction/mercenary troops for my Ptolemaic army. What about the Ptolemaic Galatian klerouchs? They are faction troops in game, though they are obviously non-Greeks. Am I limited to 1 Galatian unit for every phalanx, or do they count as faction troops? I apologize beforehand for my confusion.

[antisocialmunky]

Sure, ROMA INVICTA.

[ezekiel2517]

eastern is GMT -5. ezekiel i could play at the time you wanted to tomorrow

well, i am ready if you are around

[Potocello]

well, i am ready if you are around

ah sorry man i can't tonight, i have a lot of work to do. maybe tomorrow?

[ezekiel2517]

ah sorry man i can't tonight, i have a lot of work to do. maybe tomorrow?

yeah, no problem :yes:

[Maion Maroneios]

And Maion, if you get your laptop on Saturday, I'll write you down for Makedonia, then?
Yes please, even though I'll have to re-install everything, plus I got tons of work for University, I'm definately going to make some time for this:yes:

Maion

[ziegenpeter]

Hi, I got 2 questions to ask:
Why no Baktria (beecause they never fought romans?)
and why no charging through the own lines?
thx

[Phalanx300]

Chargings through own lines with your cavalry isn't really Historical.:sweatdrop:

And its a shame that Baktria is not included :skull:.


Also on Epeiros, it says they should fight Polybian, that should be Camillian. And why is Epeiros also limited to 6 Phalangite units? Epeiros also used a large force of non Phalanx infantry, just look at the Historical battle of Ausculum, 4 Phalangite units there of which 1 was a mercenary unit. For Epeiros either a minimum of 3 or 4 Phalangite units would be better I think.

[Βελισάριος]

I'm afraid I have some questions regarding faction/mercenary troops for my Ptolemaic army. What about the Ptolemaic Galatian klerouchs? They are faction troops in game, though they are obviously non-Greeks. Am I limited to 1 Galatian unit for every phalanx, or do they count as faction troops? I apologize beforehand for my confusion.

Galatians are, technically, faction troops, even though they're non-Greek. Keep in mind you're playing an Empire, and empires don't always have soldiers of the same nationality.
And besides, Galatians are shock troops (damn good ones too) and Phalangitai count as pikemen, so it'd be a different ration.

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

And Baktria has been left out (despite it being ever so popular with the masses) because they never saw a Roman in their lives, at least not in combat.


EDIT: I've posted Maion's "historical army formation" guide and Irish's addition.

Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ:
Maion Maroneios (Makedonia) GMT + 2
Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
Potocello (Koinon Hellenon) GMT – 5
IrishHitman (Makedonia) GMT
Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")

Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

Tell me if I've made any mistakes. I'll start sending PMs soon.

[alexanderthegreater]

Galatians are, technically, faction troops, even though they're non-Greek. Keep in mind you're playing an Empire, and empires don't always have soldiers of the same nationality.
And besides, Galatians are shock troops (damn good ones too) and Phalangitai count as pikemen, so it'd be a different ration.

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

And Baktria has been left out (despite it being ever so popular with the masses) because they never saw a Roman in their lives, at least not in combat.


EDIT: I've posted Maion's "historical army formation" guide and Irish's addition.

Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ:
Maion Maroneios (Makedonia) GMT + 2
Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
Potocello (Koinon Hellenon) GMT – 5
IrishHitman (Makedonia) GMT
Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")

Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

Tell me if I've made any mistakes. I'll start sending PMs soon.

Im GMT +1 actually. dont know where you got that from.

Also, I wont be online until monday, since im on holiday.

[Gabeed]

GMT -6 for me.

[Phalanx300]

As for Epeiros using only 3-4 phalanx units, we decided the 6 limit was for all phalanx armies. Since, again, see the title of the tournament (Legion vs. Phalanx). We decided armies that were built around phalanx units needed to be represented.

I do personally think more Historical armies would be more fun, though thinking of it, Hoplites count as Phalanx units right? Does that also count for the non KH factions?



Phalanx, Hasdrubal and Turnus I need you to pick one faction and stick with it for the rest of the tournament (this month, at least)
And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

I'll be either Koinen Hellenon or Epeiros as they haven't been chosen yet, then again I don't like the 6 pikemen limit for Epeiros. I'll go for Epeiros :idea2:. Though that limit is killing me :whip:.

EDIT: Sorry for the confusion but I'll rather go for the Koinen Hellenon again.

Oh, and I´m GMT +1

[antisocialmunky]

I'm GMT - 6

I wouldn't mind giving Epeiros a slightly lower phalanx limit and moving the reform down to Camillian. Since a unit of elephants is equivalent to 2 Companians or 5-6 phalanx units, it would help them to field one without handicapping themselves in the number of cavalry and infantry. Besides more phalanx units = higher chance of me killing half that army and forcing the survivors into a box.:laugh4:

I'd also like to submit to you guys a proposal:
The Romans should be allowed one elephant against the Macedonians since they had a unit of one against both Phillip V and Perseus.

[heldelance]

Can't wait to see the outcome.

[ezekiel2517]

are you there? Potocello :beam:

[BurningEGO]

After a rather long phone call back to home, my mother gave me my cd-key. Seems like i can acess "online battles" so i supose the cd-key is correct.

So... i believe i am ready. :2thumbsup:

I am speaking from Portugal so i supose my timezone is GMT. Oh and if there are still any slots left for this newbie, put me on the Greek Team. I will most likely go with either Epirus or the Seleucid Empire, although i need to see units limits first.

[Lovejoy]

Actually you don't need a cd-key to play via hamachi! :beam:

[BurningEGO]

No? Damn. So much trouble for nothing. :dizzy2:

[ezekiel2517]

my friend has told me that he will need his laptop back this weekend.

I am out of the tournament for certain now :shame:

[Blxz]

.

Now here's the list of participants so far (with factions and timezones):

Romani:
Antisocialmunky
Alexanderthegreater GMT - 6
Blxz
ezekiel2517
Rootje
We shall fwee...Wodewick
Macilrille
TWFanatic

And I need everyone who hasn't to give me their timezones, please.

I am GMT +10

EDIT: Also, I can't seem to get that hamichi thingy working on my computer. I might be stuck with just regular online battles with my cd key.

[Tolg]

I am GMT +10

EDIT: Also, I can't seem to get that hamichi thingy working on my computer. I might be stuck with just regular online battles with my cd key.

What kind of problems do you have?

[Βελισάριος]

Sorry to hear that ezekiel

EGO, who shall I write you down as?

Oh, and... it's perfectly alright if we have two contestants playing Makedonia, for example. So you should all choose the faction you're most comfortable with.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

GMT for me

and anytime saturday afternoon so long as you give me notice.

[Potocello]

i could play friday afternoon/night and saturday afternoon/night. I may be available all day saturday depending on what i'm doing saturday.

[Blxz]

Just wondering if we are able to start getting some approximate times for the first battles. Its Friday afternoon where I am and gotta start planning my day tomorrow. No rush, i can be available any time throughout the day but I can't just be sitting here all day. I have to do stuff around the time that I will battle.

Actually, I have nothing on Sunday so I could supposedly be available all night until the early hours of Sunday monring if I had to verse a lower GMT person (you people are living in the past, time to get back to the future).

[antisocialmunky]

Hey everybody!

Βελισάριος and I had a chance to played 3 test games last night. Boy were they epic. I only have two of the replayed but the first game was a Macedonian victory. Thracians managed to hold off my cavalry long enough for B's Companions to KO half my men.

Keep in mind that these were just for fun so the tactics seen here may or may not see use in the tournement.:beam:

Replay 1: Rome vs AS

http://files.filefront.com/LOLKatssuckrpy/;13376727;/fileinfo.html

Comments: AS Kats were unbelievable against infantry. I should have brought some spear untis with me for them. They did however completely fail against my giant ball of Roman cavalry. We were all stunned by their crap morale. Maybe my general bribed them to run off like that.


Replay 2: rome vs Greeks

http://files.filefront.com/GreeksonaHillrpy/;13376735;/fileinfo.html

Comments: Keep an eye on the first hastati on the left. That guy was my MVP. They took alot of pain.


Anyways, I'll see you guys tonight and tomorrow. Roma Invicta!

[Βελισάριος]

I demand a re-re-rematch!
But you're completely right, those battle were indeed epic!

Oh, tips for Macedonian Strategoi... Peltastai Makedonikoi, those cats won the first battle. They defiantly refused to die and chewed up Munk's cavalry... if it hadn't been for them and the Thracians, I'd have been a lot less cheerful this morning.

The AS one is probably my favourite, though... when I saw those cataphracts cower like bunnies I lost all will to live. We had a good few laughs about those, though.

I'm still waiting for a few people to confirm. Macilrille is out of the competition, Turnus still hasn't confirned, neither has TWFanatic.

And we find ourselves one Roman short... again. Any volunteers... Tolg?

[antisocialmunky]

I want to do a 2 vs 2 with Tolg.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Hey guys.

Im´get this "different format" when i´m going to see the battles.
Is this a problem or it´s all good?

Thx.

[Gabeed]

Hey guys.

Im´get this "different format" when i´m going to see the battles.
Is this a problem or it´s all good?

Thx.

I think it's fine, since the format in single player mode is different than in multiplayer mode for EB. . .right?

[Blxz]

Where do I save the replay file in order to watch it?

[antisocialmunky]

Click the little video camera on the battle report.

[Βελισάριος]

I think he was referring to the folder where to put the file.

It should be in [Your RTW vanilla folder]/EB/Replays

Or just do what munky told you with any random battle and the folder will be automatically created (unless you have it already) and it should be easy to find afterwards.

BTW, munky... you up for a rematch tonight? In, say... an hour or so?

[antisocialmunky]

How about in 30? BSG is almost on :-p

[Blxz]

I think he was referring to the folder where to put the file.

It should be in [Your RTW vanilla folder]/EB/Replays

Or just do what munky told you with any random battle and the folder will be automatically created (unless you have it already) and it should be easy to find afterwards.



Never viewed a replay before so had no folder. Thanks. BTW, its like midday saturday where I am, do we have our match-ups or times or anything?

[tsidneku]

I have never played online, but I just did a clean install and it looks like my EB is booting up alright after the install.

I have Hamachi set up. Anybody up for a match right now? How do you guys usually communicate? via a messenger or on the forum PM system?

[antisocialmunky]

I'm up. Look on the last page at the instructions to get into the network. We usually talk via the hamachi chat.

[Tolg]

I'm still waiting for a few people to confirm. Macilrille is out of the competition, Turnus still hasn't confirned, neither has TWFanatic.

And we find ourselves one Roman short... again. Any volunteers... Tolg?


I'll play with the side that has less generals. I'm GMT+1.


Sry if my English is bad, I'm in the last few hours of a all night long LAN party... ^^'

(I've got the feeling that it got much worse in the second sentence....)

[Blxz]

Woo, i have a (i think) fully working hamachi thingy. Ready to play any hellenes whenever you are ready.

[antisocialmunky]

http://files.filefront.com/MevsPhalanxMarvrpy/;13384299;/fileinfo.html

Yeah... it was 2 vs 1 with 40K on both sides. Just let this be a lesson to you, Ekdromoi suck.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

I think it's fine, since the format in single player mode is different than in multiplayer mode for EB. . .right?

Thx Gabeed.

[antisocialmunky]

Macedonian Reformed Pikemen are tough especially when they outnumber you.

[Phalanx300]

http://files.filefront.com/MevsPhalanxMarvrpy/;13384299;/fileinfo.html

Yeah... it was 2 vs 1 with 40K on both sides. Just let this be a lesson to you, Ekdromoi suck.

Then again, they are supposed to kill peltasts, I was just glad that 1 of my 2 units was able to hold your flanking units for a while.:idea2:




Also, in EB I really get the feeling that Hoplites are underpowered, maybe doing something with them for this tourney would be better. Like the 0.2 density? Right now, either with or without guard mode they get beaten 1 on 1, front or non front.

[antisocialmunky]

Tsid beat me with hoplites and a horde of cavalry.

[IrishHitman]

IrishHitman (Kingdom of Macedonia) + tsidneku (Seleucid Empire) vs. Phalanx300 + antisocialmunkey (Roman Republic).
http://www.mediafire.com/?mzyn5kyajmj

Victory to Greeks.

We (Greeks) formed semi-circle formation in the centre of our deployment area, Romans deployed in two groups.

Roman cavalry moved to our left, we moved our cav, elephants and chariots to intercept.
Roman infantry followed suit soon afterwards, and I moved my right wing phalanx to a right angle with tsi's phalanx, which in turn rotated to line up with mine.

Meanwhile a cav/ele/chariot battle had erupted. Our phalanx line, now advancing, was ignored until it was within attack range, and the inevitable clash of pikes and scuta occurred soon afterwards. The Roman flanks were defeated with cavalry and elephants, and the rest of the line devolved into a rout during and afterwards.

[satalexton]

ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!

[antisocialmunky]

Technically no one told us straight up that they were using elephants. Still a fun battle none the less.

[Βελισάριος]

While I'd still like to wait for a few more players to answer my PM and confirm their participation... I'll probably assign opponent by Sunday night (probably early morning, even... GMT).

Afterwards you'll have a week to set up the first battle with your opponent.

I just hope I get confirmation soon from the other members.

[antisocialmunky]

Oh yeah, can anyone out there give us the line to add to the MP EDU to enable Peltastai for the KH? It seems they wee left out in an oversight.

[Maion Maroneios]

So far what I understand is that we are kicking your butts big-time! :evilgrin:

Maion

[IrishHitman]

So far what I understand is that we are kicking your butts big-time! :evilgrin:

Maion

Indeed we are :P

[antisocialmunky]

Msot of them have been 2 vs 2s. I'd like to get you in a 1 vs 1 but I can't connect to you ever since that one battle.

Besides the tournement hasn't even started yet :-D, this is just practice.

If anyone knows how to solve this I can see but can't ping bug, that'd be great.

[IrishHitman]

Msot of them have been 2 vs 2s. I'd like to get you in a 1 vs 1 but I can't connect to you ever since that one battle.

Besides the tournement hasn't even started yet :-D, this is just practice.

If anyone knows how to solve this I can see but can't ping bug, that'd be great.

I would enjoy a 1v1 immensely :P

[antisocialmunky]

Well get on Hamachi :-p. I haven't seen anyone on all morning.

[Fluvius Camillus]

So far what I understand is that we are kicking your butts big-time! :evilgrin:

Maion

Damn, perhaps I should've joined...:shame:

Probably too late now though...

[Tolg]

I don't think you're too late. The tournament hasn't even started yet.

[Βελισάριος]

Well, it.... has, technically. But we're still in the sign-up stage.
So feel free to join.

Roman player, I take it?
Also, timezone and approximate available hours, please?

[tsidneku]

Sign me up please. I'm a Greek player. :)

EST (-5 GMT) -- available 18:00 to 21:00 EST.

[Power2the1]

So what Hamachi channel is being used again?

[Silence Hunter]

I'm not 100% sure if I will be available all coming weekend (loads of parties, I love uni lol), but sign me up as I should be able to play during the periods between the partying.

I would play on the Hellenic side. Timezone - GMT. Probably will be available for a few test battles during the week, just need to install Hamachi again.

[antisocialmunky]

We need to create a few seperate groups since the unlicensed Hamachi only allows a max of 16 per channel.

[Βελισάριος]

Top o' the mornin', lads! 'Tis a good day to die!
We have our first match-ups. These were randomly distributed using the good ol' d8 (since we happened to, coincidentally, have 8 contestants on all sides. 3 of the Imperatores still haven't replied to my invitation though I saw they were active on the forums recently, the Strategoi who were supposed to battle them, if they haven't answered your messages you'll be given priority in the next round.

Before you begin
1. Contact each other via PM or however you see fit and establish a date and time for the battle, then inform myself, Βελισάριος via PM with your decision.
2. The jury will choose the map for each battle.
3. The attacking army for this round will be: The Romans. The Greeks will have to hold their position as the Romans try to break it (next round it will be other way around).
4. After you've slaughtered each other, save the replay in the following format [Attacking General's name]vs[Defending General's name][Date of battle:ddmm].rpy, using the names you have on the forum (e.g.: TolgvsHunGeneral0203.rpy for a battle that took place today, March 2nd, ScipioAfricanusvsHannibal0910.rpy, etc.)

So... here are the first round's opponents:
1. Antisocialmunky vs. IrishHitman (It was random, I swear! If you two still have connection issues, let me know)
2. Alexanderthegreater vs. Potocello (So, the one with the Greek name plays Rome and the one with an Italian-like name is the Greek... how messed up is that?)
3. Blxz vs. Gabeed (the two guys with my two favourite signatures)
4. Rootje vs. BurningEGO (EGO, if Rootje doesn't reply, PM me)
5. We shall fwee...Wodewick vs. Silence Hunter (Hunter, same situation)
6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios (watch the jury member be put to shame. Maion, TWF hasn't replied, you know the drill)
7. Tolg vs. Phalanx300 (I believe you two have met)
8. Fluvius Camillus vs. Tsidneku (somehow the two last minute entries have found each other)

I'll send a score of PMs myself to make sure everyone's informed.

[alexanderthegreater]

Potocello can u play via regular MP? id prefer that, otherwise ill go install hamachi.

[Maion Maroneios]

6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios (watch the jury member be put to shame. Maion, TWF hasn't replied, you know the drill)
Hey, are you trying to intimidate and humiliate me before the battle? We shall see, when the sons of mighty Makedon shall speak for themselves on the battlefield :charge:

EDIT: Since I've never actually played any online battles (except LAN ones), could someone (*cough*antisocialmunky*cough*) please explain how this 'Hamachi' thing works?

Maion

[Tolg]

Check my guide, ask if you got any problems:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature


Make sure that you have a clean install of: RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
EB 1.1
EB 1.2
The EB 1.2 Fixes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109936)
(Installed in this order)
Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
Click "Multiplayer"
Click "Online Battles"
If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-24-16.jpg In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-38-89.jpg. Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
Download Hamachi (http://en.softonic.com/s/hamachi)
Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
Now it get's tricky:
Cut your main internet connection.
Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
Reenable your Internet connection
return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
[B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!

[antisocialmunky]

You don't actually ahve to cut your connection anymore.

Just start Hamachi, start RTW, and then go into Lan Battles.

[Tolg]

You don't actually ahve to cut your connection anymore.

Just start Hamachi, start RTW, and then go into Lan Battles.


Usually, yes. But sometimes it doesn't work (~10% of my battles), that's why it's still in the guide.

[antisocialmunky]

Say, do you know how to solve connectivity issues? I can connect to everyone fine but I can't ping them and some of them I can't connect to. I think it might just be windows firewall blocking pings so I dunno. I did try to host a game with someone that couldn't ping me and it seemed to work.

BTW- we need to do a 2 vs 2 one of these days.

[Tychon Miletou Ionikes]

Hello all, I'm new to this site but was reading over this thread and downloaded a few replays to see what this was all about. Great stuff, some very enjoyable replays, in particular the battle outside the temple of Artemis at Ephesus. Great stuff! Poor Kataphraktoi :oops:.

Will this be getting its own sub forum or anything of that nature?

[Βελισάριος]

...Great stuff, some very enjoyable replays, in particular the battle outside the temple of Artemis at Ephesus. Great stuff! Poor Kataphraktoi :oops:.

Damnit, don't even remind me!


Will this be getting its own sub forum or anything of that nature?

We hope so. I'll wait till I get the results of the first tournament so can assure the powers at be that this is not a dung tossing competitio but a serious tournament. So then we might have our own subforum and expand on the idea.

Would you be interested in joining?

[Fluvius Camillus]

Check my guide, ask if you got any problems:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature


Make sure that you have a clean install of: RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
EB 1.1
EB 1.2
The EB 1.2 Fixes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109936)
(Installed in this order)
Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
Click "Multiplayer"
Click "Online Battles"
If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-24-16.jpg In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-38-89.jpg. Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
Download Hamachi (http://en.softonic.com/s/hamachi)
Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
Now it get's tricky:
Cut your main internet connection.
Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
Reenable your Internet connection
return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
[B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


Exactly the same situation as maion, so thanks for the info.

Good I can still join the tournament, I will be Romani player if that's the one you are short on.

GMT +1 is the zone I live in.

I don't really have large amounts of empty time now. I will discuss this with my opponent perhaps.

Good luck to everyone!

[Tolg]

The first battle of the tournament has already been played.

Tolg vs Phalanx300:

Replay (http://www.mediafire.com/file/fzfydnz4nji/TolgvsPhalanx0203.rpy)

Phalanx was defending with a minor height advantage, my Principes engaged his Hoplitai while my Pedites Extraord. and my cavalry flanked him on the left. The Pedites were caught up n battle with some more of his Hoplitai but my cav was successful, routed his inferior cav and then finally charge the backs of his phalanx, causing his defeat.


To sum it up:

Romans: 1
Greeks: 0


Of course only if I the jury approves.


Actually I made a minor faux pas: Perhaps this game shouldn't have been played before the maps were officially announced, I hopes it's valid nonetheless. (The majority of the jury already voted in favor of "Mount Olympus" anyway)

[Fluvius Camillus]

Alright, I started the normal MP screen with a valid cd key.

Are there any recruitment restrictions?

Do I have to download hamachi? Or only if my opponent uses it, and what exactly is hamachi and what does it do?

Looking forward to the fight!

[antisocialmunky]

Hey, Burebista - can you compile all the replays in the first post? The jsut for fun ones and the tournement ones? Be great for hte audience.

[Βελισάριος]

Yes, Tolg... Olympus was pretty much the consensus for that battle. Unless HunGeneral disagrees, in which case you're screwed :p

Kidding.
I'll post the other maps soon. I still need an alternative for Thermopylai. Can't understand why you guys don't like it... it's much better than the "Danube Delta", for instance.

Fluvius, check the thread's intro message, you have a comprehensive guide to multiplayer, plus the extensive rules over there, which you must read.

EDIT: Will do, munk. Thanks for the idea.

[Tolg]

Yes, Tolg... Olympus was pretty much the consensus for that battle. Unless HunGeneral disagrees, in which case you're screwed :p


Gotta bribe HunGeneral. You think one or two villages in Gallia Transalpina will be enough? ;)



I'll post the other maps soon. I still need an alternative for Thermopylai. Can't understand why you guys don't like it... it's much better than the "Danube Delta", for instance.


Dnube Delta seems somewhat plain, but fair.
Also I already suggested "enter the colossus".

[IrishHitman]

So... here are the first round's opponents:
1. Antisocialmunky vs. IrishHitman It was random, I swear!

How it came to be is irrelevent.
All that matters is that it has happened.

If I get an Irish map, munkey is ****ed....

[HunGeneral]

Gotta bribe HunGeneral. You think one or two villages in Gallia Transalpina will be enough? ;)

Well... actually three is the Hunnic justice but two might do for Saka outposts until I get the rest of the hordes there... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Now seriously: I have no problem with Mount olympos (don't know the maps but since all others agreed it must accepteable - more in PM)

[IrishHitman]

Yes, Tolg... Olympus was pretty much the consensus for that battle. Unless HunGeneral disagrees, in which case you're screwed :p

Kidding.
I'll post the other maps soon. I still need an alternative for Thermopylai. Can't understand why you guys don't like it... it's much better than the "Danube Delta", for instance.

Fluvius, check the thread's intro message, you have a comprehensive guide to multiplayer, plus the extensive rules over there, which you must read.

EDIT: Will do, munk. Thanks for the idea.

I don't mind Thermopylae..

[Phalanx300]

Irish vs Anti, I'd certainly want to see the replay of those rivals!:yes:

And has Thermopylae at this time changed much from that of the Greek-Persian wars?:book: Since in EB it is portrayed as very wide with alot of trees.:inquisitive:

[SwissBarbar]

I thought of joining in too, but I've never played multiplayer before. Today I logged in through the multiplayer-exe or how you call that. But everyone was using BI and I couldn't join in :inquisitive: :inquisitive: :inquisitive:

Am I really the only underdeveloped one, who still uses the original RTW-exe or what's going on :dizzy2:

[Phalanx300]

No, it just looks like that when you do that. All the people and games you see are vanilla players(god have their soul:shame:).

Anyways, you should try hamachi, that way you can play games with lan.:2thumbsup:

[SwissBarbar]

If I start Hamachi, then start RTW (or do I have to start the Multiplayer-exe?) and click on Multiplayer - Lan ... yeah.. what then? :laugh4:

[Phalanx300]

Install Hamachi, look if there are people online and see if they want to play. If so start up EB Multiplayer, go to lan and type in your name. Press okey and your in the lobby and can play there with other players.:yes:

[Tolg]

Just check my guide and tell me if you've got any questions:

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.


I. Guide to play EB over the Internet using RTW online game feature


Make sure that you have a clean install of: RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
EB 1.1
EB 1.2
The EB 1.2 Fixes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109936)
(Installed in this order)
Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet.
Start EB using the multiplayer .exe
Click "Multiplayer"
Click "Online Battles"
If it asks you to enter your CD key, click "Change CD key" and enter the key of your copy of RTW Afterwards click "Online battles" again.
When it asks you to enter your name do so (preferably the name you use on the forums so your opponent can recognize you)
You should now be in the Lobby and your screen should look somewhat like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-24-16.jpg In order to play an online battle, one player has to "host" a game and the other one has to "join" it.
a) If you're the one joining just check all the three servers (Chat Lobby, Competitive and Friendly) in the box at the bottom right for a yellow game name, if there are multiple ones check the host's name by placing your cursor on top of the game's entry in the list.
b) If you're the one hosting, click the icon with the two screens. Your screen will look like this: https://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk465/abzuEnuma/RomeTW2009-02-1917-48-38-89.jpg. Enter a name for your game, select the max. number of players and the unit scale and then press "Host Custom Battle". (You don't need a password) Afterwards do what you would do if you were setting up a sp custom battle.
After both players have joined select your factions, press the arrow in the corner at the bottom right, set up your armies press the arrow again and FIGHT!
Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


II. Guide to play EB over the Internet using Hamachi

See step 1) and 2) of the previous guide.
Download Hamachi (http://en.softonic.com/s/hamachi)
Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
Now it get's tricky:
Cut your main internet connection.
Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
Reenable your Internet connection
return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
[B]Don't forget to save the replay once your done!


The main network used is the "Europa Barbarorum" (PW: greecevsrome), though I'm afraid this one will be full soon. (Or perhaps it already is)

[SwissBarbar]

Puh, cutting internetconnection? Reenable your internetconnection? I'm a noob. I think I'm going to use the first way you described *G*

[Phalanx300]

Well you don't have to do that, with me it works just fine if I just start up EB with Hamachi installed. :juggle2:

[SwissBarbar]

someone ready for a try? :leer: :leer: :leer:

[SwissBarbar]

mhkay :no: I'm going to bed

[Tolg]

Well you don't have to do that, with me it works just fine if I just start up EB with Hamachi installed.

First try without cutting your connection, only do that if it doesn't work. (Perhaps I should edit my guide one of these days.)


PS: @Swissbarbar: Sry, I'm going to go to bed early, no mp games more tonight.

Edit: appears you thought the same. ;)

[Dutchhoplite]

What's the cd key??

[Phalanx300]

The number code which came with vanilla. Though you don't need it if you intend to use hamachi.

[Gabeed]

The first battle of the tournament has already been played.

Tolg vs Phalanx300:

Replay (http://www.mediafire.com/file/fzfydnz4nji/TolgvsPhalanx0203.rpy)

Phalanx was defending with a minor height advantage, my Principes engaged his Hoplitai while my Pedites Extraord. and my cavalry flanked him on the left. The Pedites were caught up n battle with some more of his Hoplitai but my cav was successful, routed his inferior cav and then finally charge the backs of his phalanx, causing his defeat.


To sum it up:

Romans: 1
Greeks: 0


Of course only if I the jury approves.


Actually I made a minor faux pas: Perhaps this game shouldn't have been played before the maps were officially announced, I hopes it's valid nonetheless. (The majority of the jury already voted in favor of "Mount Olympus" anyway)

That was a neat battle to watch. Your principes fighting the center phalanxes were constantly wavering, but Phalanx300 never had the opportunity to exploit that.

[Tychon Miletou Ionikes]

Would you be interested in joining?

I would indeed, I'll have a look into setting up and getting onto Hamachi. Will post here when I've figured it all out. In the mean time, keep those replays coming! They're very entertaining.

[Βελισάριος]

Then be sure to sign up for April!

In the meantime, here are the maps to be fought on:
1. Antisocialmunky vs. IrishHitman - Samos
2. Alexanderthegreater vs. Potocello - Peloponessos
3. Blxz vs. Gabeed - Abu Simbel
4. Rootje vs. BurningEGO - Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
5. We shall fwee...Wodewick vs. Silence Hunter - Temple of Zeus at Olympos
6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios - EB Makedonia
7. Tolg vs. Phalanx300 - Mount Olympos*
8. Fluvius Camillus vs. Tsidneku - Kolossos of Rhodos

Now, all four of the remaining jury members will have a look at this battle (playing it right now), and let's see what rules Tolg broke :p

[tsidneku]

I think the replay of the first match was played on 'Large' scale. Is that the designated scale? Or is it just whatever is agreed by the contestants for the match?

I normally play on Huge if my opponent can support it.

[Maion Maroneios]

Damn, I'm itching to install EB now and finally start playing/judging/kicking some Romaioi ass. Will look at the reaply even today maybe. By the way, I have contacted TWFanatic and he hasn't answered yet. Nothing to worry much about, since I can play after Thursday, but just saying. Maybe you, Βελισάριος, could also contact him (or at least try to)?

Maion

[Blxz]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

[Tychon Miletou Ionikes]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

Are you running the multiplayer.exe? That's the one which makes custom battles playable with faction troops.

[alexanderthegreater]

Damn it, I wanted to practice against the computer in a custom battle before the big match, BUT, I can't find ANY Roman units... I have checked each unit one by one down the whole list 3 times through. I tried using the computer to select some 'appropriate' units and it selected some roman ones that I couldn't find anywhere on the list.

ANY idea how to sort this out? I have a game tomorrow and need to figure it out soon. Thx.

You probably didnt use the text file for MP.

[Blxz]

You guys are probably right, never occurred to me. Although I have probably read that somewhere before.

[Blxz]

It does indeed, even though we already know who is the superior one, the Hellenes ofcourse :sweatdrop:. But we might as well give these Romani barbarians a fair chance to show them the light:whip:.

The Greek City States are after all the most supreme force ever to have existed:idea2:. Sparta stands unrivaled troughout the world!:yes:

I guess they can consider themselves rivaled now? Those inferior roman barbarians did you one over good.

Actually it was a very good battle. I have to say I thought very much that you were going to win Phalanx300. It was just unfortunate that you lost that mini skirmish style battle on your left flank with those cavalry. Had lots of fun watching your battle. Even more fun to know that my team is now 1 up on the score board.

-----------------------

Actually, thanks guys for telling me about using multiplayer, i have found my factional troops. Major problem now is that I have never played until marian reforms in EB so I have no idea as to what constitutes a marian army (which i need to use against the Ptolmies). Anyone able to give me a decent historic guide as to what I should use OR even list down every single roman factional unit that qualifies as Marian and won't get me disqualified in this tournament...I can't find it anywhere on the site. There are some nice historic hellenic armies on page 1 of this thread but nothing roman, are they really that hated?

[Βελισάριος]

You have the list of Roman units by reforms on the EB website, here (https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html).

In the meantime, since the first Hamachi network seems to be getting full, I've made another one.
Network name: Europa Barbarorum II, password: greecevsrome.

Maion, I've sent WTF... I mean TWF a message, but he still hasn't replied. Let's wait and see.

[antisocialmunky]

Well I doubt Irish and I will be able to play before wednesday night or friday evening because of my connection.

[Tolg]

I think the replay of the first match was played on 'Large' scale. Is that the designated scale? Or is it just whatever is agreed by the contestants for the match?

I normally play on Huge if my opponent can support it.

You may choose whichever unit size you want, though I hope that all battles can be fought at large or huge, smaller size makes the battles much less interesting. Then again, that's just my personal opinion.

[satalexton]

6. TWFanatic vs. Maion Maroneios - EB Makedonia


ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!! *waves xiphos*

[SwissBarbar]

Which one is actually meant to be the attacker? So you can adapt do defensive or offensive strategy.

[tsidneku]

Which one is actually meant to be the attacker? So you can adapt do defensive or offensive strategy.

The Greeks are on defensive formation this round. The Romans need to break through. :D

[Fluvius Camillus]

Rematched..

This time I lost

Romans 1
Greek 1

This time my enemy switched from greek phalanx to macedonian, avoiding the front of the phalanx I tried a large flank attack, which failed, then my general died and the situation was lost.:no:

Official battle replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wkyjot03nqj

Disqualified battle Replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ymkmwzgfntm

Still Looking forward to the next fight!

Any chance to redeem myself?:wall:

[tsidneku]

Replay Match -- Pontic Victory

Flavius Camillus (Romani) vs Tsidneku (Pontos)

F. Camillus fielded a similar army, save for the ranged. Tsidneku changed to a phalangite based army this round. I think this replay shows great use of the mobility in a Roman army. The battle began on the Pontic Right flank where the cavalry forces clashed. The Pontic cavalry were largely repelled then shepherded by the Roman Antesignani spearmen.

Meanwhile, the Roman front had split into half and tried to try a massive flank on the Pontic phalanx line. I split and turned my phalanx after I made sure he was dedicating to the flank. It was a messy battle with many mini-fronts and cavalry charges into enemy hinds. In the end, Pontus was able to gain a victory after slaying the Roman imperator, afterwhich the Roman troops started routing.

Romans: 1
Greeks: 1 (not sure whether to count the technical win by IrishHitman?)

You can find a summary of the first match below, along with the original replay link.

Second match replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?3dvx1u20ynn

First Match -- Roman victory: game was replayed because Imperial Eastern Archers were used.
Flavius Camillus (Romani) vs Tsidneku (Pontos)

Notate bene: We realized he had Accensi in his army (which I think are Camillian era troops?), but I agreed that it was alright and we should play the battle through anyway.

F. Camillus's army was structured in an immensely long line with cavalry and Antesignani on the flanks. It was a shoot-out between my Heavy Archers and his Accensi until his Imperial Eastern Archers joined it from behind his line. My forces were getting peppered to shreds, so I decided to bring the battle to him and charged him. I flanked him from both sides with Scythian Noble Cavalry, but I follied and his Antesignani ate up a good 1-2 of my 6 units of cavalry.

One of my archer units had already been decimated when the battle began, so I had little to shoot down his winding cavalry. Camillus' great use of cavalry won him the day, I would think -- that, and his archers that I didn't expect. :wall:

Romans: 2
Greeks: 0

The replay has been uploaded to Mediafire: you can find it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?zzzgcjm00nx

[Phalanx300]

But aren't you only allowed though to pick units which are portrayed for each faction at the EB site? :sweatdrop:

[Tolg]

Wait a second, I haven't watched the replay yet, but Imperial Archers are Imperial units, not Marian ones... Meaning that he wasn't allowed to use them...

About the Accensi: I think it was decided that players are allowed to use older units (though I don't really like that), meaning that there's no problem with Cimillian units in a Polybian Marian army. Also I think that Accensi are still available for rome in the Polybian time frame in the campaign (not sure).

I forgot that you were using Marians. ^^' Anyway, it doesn't change anything anyway.

[Belisarius12]

Most of the roman army fighting in Greece during the Macedonian wars was composed of allied Italian legions so I advice
For the sake of historical accuracy to use 1/2 of the slots available for allied Italians.
But its Just my opinion.
ps: i know i am a bit late sorry for that xd

[HunGeneral]

.. until his Imperial Eastern Archers joined it from behind his line...

:inquisitive:

There shouldn't be any Imperial units used by the romans. Unfortunaetly I'm not able to view the replay until friday night so could someone give clearence wether there really were Imperial roman troops in the battle?

I think earlier units might be used (unless the "rules" at the begining say Marians must be used - with those reforms many earlier unit types ceased to exist since Rome didn't trust there Italian allies anymore) As much as I know Accensi are also availabe for the romans after the Polybian reforms. But this time there supposed to be fighting Marian romans vs Pontos:juggle2:

[IrishHitman]

Maion, the Barbaroi are triumphing! We must turn this situation around!

IrishHitman (Kingdom of Makedonia) vs. Βελισάριος (Roman Republic)
Technical victory to IrishHitman, Draw due to admitting defeat for time reasons.
http://www.mediafire.com/?nooz3mznzqy

A full rematch must happen on that one...

[Tolg]

:inquisitive:

There shouldn't be any Imperial units used by the romans. Unfortunaetly I'm not able to view the replay until friday night so could someone give clearence wether there really were Imperial roman troops in the battle?

I think earlier units might be used (unless the "rules" at the begining say Marians must be used - with those reforms many earlier unit types ceased to exist since Rome didn't trust there Italian allies anymore) As much as I know Accensi are also availabe for the romans after the Polybian reforms. But this time there supposed to be fighting Marian romans vs Pontos:juggle2:


The exact unit composition was:

Romani:

1x Equites Singularii
4x Equites Galliorum
1x Prima Cohors Reformata
5x Cohors Reformata
1x Cohors Evocata
4x Antesignani
2x Accensi
2x Imperial Eastern Archer Auxiliary


Pontos:

1x Pontos late Bodyguard
6x Scythian Noble Cavalary
7x Hoplitai
4x Thureophoroi
2x Bosphoran Heavy Archers


All units except the Imp. Archer ares compliant to the rules (The Prima cohors aren't on the E page, but they should be in anyway.)

[tsidneku]

Bump: I edited my post with the new results in case people mistakenly glance over it. :embarassed:

[Fluvius Camillus]

same for me!

[Tolg]

Great. I think you just saved the jury a lot of trouble. :D

Anyway. Downloading the replay now.


(BTW, Irish's match was an official tournament match)

@Flavius: Redeem yourself in the second round. But don't you dare to bring shame upon the great Res Publica Romana again or you may look for your lost honor within the Amphitheatrum Flavium. :clown:)

[IrishHitman]

(BTW, Irish's match was an official tournament match)

It was?
Why's that?

[Fluvius Camillus]

Ave Competitors

To redeem myself I have practised my tactics against another greek foe!

Fluvius Camillus vs Irishhitman

Replay of this practice match:
http://www.mediafire.com/?kltn23wk2zx

It was a very exciting (and long) battle.

Polybian Romani versus Makedonia

I employed the same tactics from the last fight against Tsidneku, this time I comitted no great errors, my tactic worked perfectly this time.

Friend and Foe, learn from this fight and use these tactics on your own risk of defeat

First Part of the Fight
I approached the Makedonian foe, when his missile infantry targeted me I was making a run for it. I split my reserves to join the flankers. Only the principes stood in the center, evading the slow phalanx. My flanking troops were superior to his and the Makedonian right flank crumbled soon. The cavalry fight was were I also had the upper hand. After the flankers of the enemy were massacred and both our cavalry was weared out, we both withdrew from combat, reforming our shattered lines.

Second Part (long to watch)
As I watched how we both formed our lines, I see the enemy form a defensive circle, immediately I attack the enemy to stop them from gaining a strong position. A extremely long cavalry chase and minor infantry skirmishes take place. After a long chase my cavalry stops trying to kill the remaining Makedonian cavalry. Then I attack the main phalanx lines from multiple sides, I withdraw sometimes but eventually we came into long melee, wearied from the chase, my general loses his life. Enveloping the remaining phalanx we fight to the death, using some troops to fend off the cavalry. The phalanx slowly dies, then the cavalry charges a final time and my infantry defeats the cavalry. The phalanx is then doomed, they fight to the very end.

We shall remember the noble commander who lost his life and hunt down the escaped enemy commander!

That was the fight!

Tolg, thank you, I will redeem meyself or else!:thumbsdown:

~Roma Victrix

[Tolg]

It was?
Why's that?

Damn, I forgot the crucial "n't". :embarassed:

*wasn't

[antisocialmunky]

Awww, I wanted to beat him before any of the other Romani did. But I'm glad someone killed his bastard Companions :-D.

[IrishHitman]

Awww, I wanted to beat him before any of the other Romani did. But I'm glad someone killed his bastard Companions :-D.

Don't get your hopes up.
I've already formulated and tested defences against his tactic :P.
Two actually...

[Βελισάριος]

Actually, Fluvius, you might as well post it yourself.
And, from now on, I'd like all competitors to post their replays and comments on their battles in that folder, as this one's getting too big.

Also, the next time there is a breach of the rules, the point will go to the opposing team.
Fluvius was a last minute entry, and maybe was not familiar with the reforms, so we let it go. But next time, pay attention.
We may not disqualify the player (everyone makes mistakes, we're only human), but the point will go to the other team.
I guess I should add that to the rules.

[Silence Hunter]

The tactics used by Fulvius were bit cowardish for the brave-kill-them-all-from-the-front-with-my-gladius Romans :laugh4:. Interesting battle nonetheless.

Hope I won't get too much work to do for Friday so that could play a few test battles on Thursday...

[antisocialmunky]

I'll keep that in mind worthy adversary. And yeah, that was a bit hilarious watching him chase those companions around with everything he had and ignoring his phalangites wholesale. He also had a map advantage because Irish was pinned against the sea.

[Maion Maroneios]

ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!! *waves xiphos*
:charge:


Maion, the Barbaroi are triumphing! We must turn this situation around!
It's still too early to tell.

Maion

[SwissBarbar]

If someone would test the multiplayer with me this weekend, and if it works, I would like to join too if possible.

Preferably as KH or Epeiros, but if we have too many hellenic faction players I'd also play the Barbarians. :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Potocello]

If someone would test the multiplayer with me this weekend, and if it works, I would like to join too if possible.

Preferably as KH or Epeiros, but if we have too many hellenic faction players I'd also play the Barbarians. :laugh4: :laugh4:

I'd love to play a game with you Swiss. As for the factions i don't think Barbaric factions are allowed in the tournament :whip: but then again i could be mistaken.

[Βελισάριος]

...i don't think Barbaric factions are allowed in the tournament :whip: but then again i could be mistaken.

I think he meant the Romans :clown:

I've got bugger-all to do this weekend, so I'm up for a 1on1

And I don't care who you're playing, as long as you're ready to open a big can o' arse-whoopin', you know what I'm sayin'?

...don't ask... don't ask.

[Mooks]

I cant open the files, which program do I need?

[Potocello]

I think he meant the Romans

=) how right you are

[SwissBarbar]

Hehe, yes, I indeed meant the Romans :laugh4: cool, thanks poto. looking forward to the weekend :2thumbsup:

[Fluvius Camillus]

I cant open the files, which program do I need?

They are battle replays from Europa Barbarorum if you are talking about the movies of the battles?

Put those files in this folder: Europa Barbarorum/EB/replays

Then you can watch them.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Hehe, yes, I indeed meant the Romans :laugh4: cool, thanks poto. looking forward to the weekend :2thumbsup:

What Barbarians?:clown:

[SwissBarbar]

:tongue3:

[alexanderthegreater]

Potocello- haven't heard from you yet though i PM'd you. When can you be ready to play the match? also, can u play by regular MP?

[BurningEGO]

Guys, just wanted to say that i do not know if i will be able to participate after all. I have been very busy lately. Just today i will be working from 10:00 till 24:00.

Maybe tomorrow or in the weekend i will have some free time, but i havent received any reply from Rootje (although i havent send him any PM either).

If somehow i do not post anything in the weekend on this thread, then discard my name from the list. I will have to apologize if this happens but its beyond my control.

[Maion Maroneios]

Guys, I have been trying to contact with TWFanatic, but I get no response yet. Plus, I've been itching to fight with someone, so I wonder if anyone is willing to battle with me?

Maion

[Gabeed]

I'd love to, but can't for a couple of hours or so.

[Maion Maroneios]

I'll be around for about 3 hours or so. Note I can only play on Hamachi.

Maion

[Tolg]

I've got time. Are you on any network yet?

[Maion Maroneios]

Can you tell me where to go on Hamachi?

Maion

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

All hail the barbaroi :smash:!

[V.T. Marvin]

Can you tell me where to go on Hamachi?

Maion

See here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2157828&postcount=1

You may want to "bump" that thread if you find it useful for others to be more conveniently visible...:beam:

[Maion Maroneios]

It's ok already, we tried to battle with Tolg yesterday and twice my crappy wireless connection was ended in the end of the battle... Anyway I know how to fight on Multiplayer now, so no problem. Thanks for the help, though :thumbsup:

EDIT: We just played a battle with Βελισάριος and I got my royal Makedonian ass whooped. Enjoy!
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d09f8a04e3a0a4b6d9d5c56d04dfa8b0e04e75f6e8ebb871

Maion

[Βελισάριος]

Apparently, the issue was unit size. If you play on Huge, it's going to mess things up with your connection, unless you have a solid DSL or othersuch healthy connection.

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Come on, we still have 5 battles left to go.

[Tolg]

Apparently, the issue was unit size. If you play on Huge, it's going to mess things up with your connection, unless you have a solid DSL or othersuch healthy connection.



That's what I told him as well. *shrug*

[Silence Hunter]

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Me and Wodewick are having our match tomorrow. Will post the results as soon as we finish.

[Maion Maroneios]

Yep, still no reply.

Maion

[Tolg]

If BurningEgo, Rootje and TWFanatic are out, perhaps Burebista can take TWF's place? He isn't in the tournament yet, is he?

[Maion Maroneios]

No problem with me, I just don't want to win because my opponent couldn't contact me :tongue:

Maion

[IrishHitman]

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Keep your pants on, I'll beat anti to death with his own leg soon enough.
Tonight probably.

[antisocialmunky]

http://files.filefront.com/ASMvsIrish3+6+9rpy/;13421868;/fileinfo.html

So yeah, enjoy this huge battle in the woods. I'm not going to claim victory or anything until the jury reviews my phalangite breaching strategy. It was very close and it came down to the 3 Pedites extraordinary dog piling one units of phalangites and rolling up the rear atleast that's what I saw during the battle. My Principles charged the phalangites and were pushed back because Irish matched my line length and marched in 8 deep. I ended up hesitating because I wasn't sure until his phalangites shifted position.

Anyways, if the jury has any questions about the effectiveness of this tactic and the pros and cons or anything, I'll be happy to answer or demonstrate when and when it doesn't work.

And if anyone cares, I was trying to recreate this tactic I found on wikipedia minus the missiles:


Other anti-phalanx tactics
"Breaking phalanxes" illustrates more of the Roman army's flexibility. When the Romans faced phalangite armies, the legions often deployed the velites in front of the enemy with the command to contendite vestra sponte, to cause confusion and panic into the solid blocks of the phalanxes. Meanwhile, auxilia archers were deployed on the wings of the legion in front of the cavalry, in order to defend their withdrawal. These archers were ordered to eiaculare flammas, fire incendiary arrows into the enemy. The cohorts then advanced in a wedge formation, supported by the velites' and auxiliaries' fire, and charged into the phalanx at a single point, breaking it, then flanking it with the cavalry to seal the victory. See the Battle of Beneventum for evidence of fire-arrows being used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_military_tactics#Other_anti-phalanx_tactics

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Just my comments on this particular battle: first, I agree wholeheartedly, to whoever mentioned it first, that the troop compositions in this battle seem to be beyond reality. I mean, WTH? There were too many Hetairoi and Extraordinarii for any historically or logically plausible situation. Ergo, it might be possible according to the financial strains of the game, but in my view it seems too illogical and as an EB'er I don't like situations that stray away from history too much.

Next time you might experiment with more historically accurate situations: tweak down elites by rule, put up levies and line troops in the troop composition as a matter of principle. Then slug it each other in more demanding situations.

EDIT - As for the battle itself. I don't know if this is some kind of MP situation, since I'm unexperienced with MP, but there were many situations were troops that could be moving were instead astray or being mowed down in humiliating situations. I mean, what were these Hetairoi doing idle when the Phalanxes were being surrounded by munky's infantry?

[antisocialmunky]

They were hiding in the woods to counter my cavalry charge. If it had hit his phalangites left side with those 600 horses, it would have been over even if I lost most of those horses. You should have had seen the first game of the night that involved my phalangites running all over the map.

Also it was in the woods... I think we both regretted that.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

:inquisitive: Really? It happened later in the battle and the Hetairoi were not hiding in the woods but rather idle on the open. Well I guess it has to do with RTW's 100% trustable battle replays. I remember how they turned one of my victories into a loss :laugh4:.

[tsidneku]

Epic battle, guys! Especially on Huge scale. :) It was a very enjoyable watch. :yes:

I agree -- I think the turning point was when two of your cavalry crashed into the back of their centre line. Granted, I think the sheer mass of your pedites extraordinarii blowing up on his centre phalanx sort of destroyed any chance of that holding for long.

To be honest, I think it would have been hard for Irish to defeat you with an identical army composition. It's really hard to counter cavalry without more cavalry... or I guess, theoretically more heavy infantry to cover flanks.

[IrishHitman]

Epic battle, guys! Especially on Huge scale. :) It was a very enjoyable watch. :yes:

I agree -- I think the turning point was when two of your cavalry crashed into the back of their centre line. Granted, I think the sheer mass of your pedites extraordinarii blowing up on his centre phalanx sort of destroyed any chance of that holding for long.

To be honest, I think it would have been hard for Irish to defeat you with an identical army composition. It's really hard to counter cavalry without more cavalry... or I guess, theoretically more heavy infantry to cover flanks.

My Companions did well enough.
His cav was very messed up by the time my Agrianians jumped in as well.
Only interference from Triarii saved his remaining cavalry, and then those almost fell to the Agrianians as well.

[antisocialmunky]

So were your Companions. But I agree, those Agrianians in woods were ridiculous.

[alexanderthegreater]

Just my comments on this particular battle: first, I agree wholeheartedly, to whoever mentioned it first, that the troop compositions in this battle seem to be beyond reality. I mean, WTH? There were too many Hetairoi and Extraordinarii for any historically or logically plausible situation. Ergo, it might be possible according to the financial strains of the game, but in my view it seems too illogical and as an EB'er I don't like situations that stray away from history too much.

Next time you might experiment with more historically accurate situations: tweak down elites by rule, put up levies and line troops in the troop composition as a matter of principle. Then slug it each other in more demanding situations.

EDIT - As for the battle itself. I don't know if this is some kind of MP situation, since I'm unexperienced with MP, but there were many situations were troops that could be moving were instead astray or being mowed down in humiliating situations. I mean, what were these Hetairoi doing idle when the Phalanxes were being surrounded by munky's infantry?

I agree and i think it has to do with 40 000 mnai just being to much, you can basically get an arm of all elites with that. Is it still up for discussion?

[antisocialmunky]

BTW guys, here's a army composition excerpt from Quintus Sertorius' Guide to Conduct Becoming of a True Roman (Redux for EB). Too bad we can't actually make most of these armies :-p.



Camillian
The Roman core of a Camillian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Leves
1 unit of Accensi
1 unit of Rorarii
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
2 unit of Triarii
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian or Gallic infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 unit of classical hoplites
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Polybian
The Roman core of a Polybian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Velites
1 unit of Accensi
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
1 unit of Triarii (or two if you're playing with half-sized maniples)
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian, Gallic, or Iberian infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Marian
The Roman core of a Marian army is as follows:
1st Legion
1 General
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of antesignani

2nd Legion
1 tribune
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of cohors evocata

Support
1 unit of Scorpions/arrow throwers

The allied part is as follows:
1 unit of allied javelin-men
1 unit of allied slingers or archers
1 unit of allied cavalry
Optional: 2 units of allied close-order foot

This represents two legions and their supporting artillery, light troops, cavalry and allied infantry. Feel free to add additional support units. A third legion can be presented by adding three more cohorts as above.

An option for early post-Marian troops is to have just the First Cohort and two normal cohorts as one legion, since there were as yet no veterans to draw upon.

Disposition
Camillian and Polybian armies should be deployed in the triplex acies, three lines giving strength in depth and keeping most of your forces in reserve. Marian forces can be deployed in three, two or even one line as befits the situation.

Key:
Gen - The general
FM - Family member
Tri - Triarii (or allied hoplites)
Pri - Principes
Has - Hastati
Ski - Accensi/Leves/Velites
Ror - Roraii
ASk - Allied Skirmisher
ALI - Allied Light Infantry
AHI - Allied Heavy Infantry
Cav - Cavalry

Camillian and Polybian

----ASk----Ski----Ski----ASk
Cav-----ALI----Has----Has----ALI----FM/Cav
----AHI-----Pri-----Pri-----AHI
--------Ror-----Tri-----Tri-----Gen

Placement of the General varies, as long as he's behind the fighting line it doesn't really matter. Put the extraordinarii wherever you want to, or keep in reserve with the general. The only difference between Camillian and Polybian armies is the absence of the Rorarii.

[Βελισάριος]

Alright, chaps... starting today/tomorrow morning (Monday, Mar 16) Round 2 is underway.
There are still two battles left to play, between HunGeneral and alexanderthegreater and Silence Hunter vs. Wodewick that are still part of Round 1, but in the meantime, we can start the second round.

I want to remind you that, at this point, the score is 3-2 in favour of the Greeks (check battle analysis thread for more details).

Before I post the match-ups, I want everyone to study the rules on the first page, which have been updated and familiarise yourselves with them and the possible armies you can create.

I'll post the match-ups later today as well as send out PMs with notifications to all.

[tsidneku]

For further clarification -- to the closest possible ratio, right?

e.g:

4 cavalry units -- 3 elites -- 5 levies -- 8 standards. There aren't enough unit slots to quarter it off to be the perfect '2-3-1" levy-standard-elite ratio.

[Βελισάριος]

Originally, that was the intention, since I couldn't find a reasonable ratio to span the full-stack.

But, now that I think about it, here's a better one: Min. 4 Levies, Max. 3 elites.
"General" units, Somatophylakes Strategou and Eqvites Consulari don't count as elites (or anything else, for that matter).

[antisocialmunky]

That's pretty good and straight forward but what happened to Roman allies? I will not play Marian without allies. I'm sorry but that's just suicidal and unrealistic. You don't have the cavalry for it nor do you have anysort of worthwhile counter.



Camillan/Polybian: 1 Light infantry (Velites, Accensi, Hastati Samnitici, Rorarii) – 1 Hastati – 2 Principes – 1 Triarii -1 Pedites Extraordinarii/Other elite unit.

Marian: 1 Antesignani – 1 Cohors Evocata – 2 Cohors Reformata


I'm assuming you made a mistake in the Camillian/Polybian because there is NO 'Other Elite Unit,' NONE. And I'm assuming that we can use 1st Cohorts instead of Evocata since they are cheaper and have good stamina. Also I'm assuming as well that we can choose to not bring Antesignani as to not totally bankrupt ourselves.

[Phalanx300]

Yes, the Romans should be able to have allies. Maybe the Koinen should also be able to have styled armies? In which I mean a Syracusian army, Massilian army or a Bosporan army? A Spartan and Rhodian army can be represented yet the units from above armier are not on the KH faction site.

Also 2 things on the updated rules.

1) A mistake, after saying which are elite units it says Spartiatai/Ekdromoi, it should be: Spartiatai/Epileptikoi. :sweatdrop:

2) It says 1 hastati, it should be: 2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii. It should also be 2 Roman missle units(in which I mean velites, leves, rorarii, accensi) Also 1 Equites and 1 Roman bodyguard(or 2 optionally to represent the Tribune). The rest should be allied units in my view.:2thumbsup:

[antisocialmunky]

Hmm, I rather like that idea. Its rather complex though :) Be rather neat to face off against other powerful polis.

2) IT SHOULD be 2 Hastati and about half your army as allied troops, but I guess the jury doesn't care about historic realism for Romans. I still like having the foot general. On a related note, I guess he's not allowing general's bodyguard units or jsut forgot.