The Europa Barbarorum Quotes Project

[jirisys]

How about this, i think the EB historians will be happy with it, but don't think it's quite good for the war themed game


This above all makes history useful and desirable: it unfolds before our eyes a glorious record of exemplary actions.
-Livy; Histories, Praefatio, sec. 10

Here's one that may ambient a little more to the game (i'm sorry if it has alreay been posted, i did not notice)

Man, supposing you and I, escaping this battle, would be able to live on forever, ageless, immortal, so neither would I myself go on fighting in the foremost, nor would I urge you into the fighting where men win glory. But now, seeing that the spirits of death stand close about us in their thousands, no man can turn aside or escape them, let us go on and win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.
-Homer; Iliad, XII.322-328 (Sarpedon to Glaukos)

All the best

~Jirisys

[oudysseos]

Jirisys, that's a good one from Livy. Can you post the Latin?

[jirisys]

mmm... i'l look for it, cause my translation is horrid, i don't have the book however, maybe it's online, i'll keep you posted

[Trax]

The Seikilos epitaph that contains the oldest complete piece of music.
Dated between 200 BC - 100 AD

Inscription:
ΕΙΚΩΝΗ ΛΙΘΟΣ
ΕΙΜΙ· ΤΙΘΗΣΙ ΜΕ
ΣΕΙΚΙΛΟΣ ΕΝΘΑ
ΜΝΗΜΗΣ ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ
ΣΗΜΑ ΠΟΛΥ ΧΡΟΝΙΟΝ

I am an image in stone.
Seikilos put me here,
where I am forever,
the symbol of eternal remembrance.

The Song:
Hoson zēs, phainou
mēden holōs sy lypou
pros oligon esti to zēn
to telos ho chronos apaitei

While you live, shine
Don't suffer anything at all;
Life exists only a short while
And time demands its toll.

[jirisys]

Sorry couldn't find it (the latin original) why don't you just keep it in english?

[Urg]

I like Jirisys' quote too. The latin is :

Hoc illud est praecipue in cognitione rerum salubre ac frugiferum, omnis te exempli documenta in inlustri posita monumento intueri

[jirisys]

I like Jirisys' quote too. The latin is :

Hoc illud est praecipue in cognitione rerum salubre ac frugiferum, omnis te exempli documenta in inlustri posita monumento intueri

Thanks


Hoc illud est praecipue in cognitione rerum salubre ac frugiferum, omnis te exempli documenta in inlustri posita monumento intueri
This above all makes history useful and desirable: it unfolds before our eyes a glorious record of exemplary actions
- Livy; Ab Urbe Condita, Praefatio, sec. 10

Lol (originally posted by Titvs Livivs (That's Livy's full name for thosw who don't know))

[oudysseos]

Sorry couldn't find it (the lati original) why don't you just keep it in english?

That's EB baby!

[jirisys]

That's EB baby!

What-the-hell did you mean by that?????? :confused:

[anubis88]

What-the-hell did you mean by that?????? :confused:

Edit: Why haven't people told me if i'm part of the team or not! The Help required thread is 2 day old now!

Based on your impatience i would say... NO... but what do i know

[oudysseos]

Oh My God! Two whole days? Incredible! What kind of operation is this?

BTW, what I meant is that using the original language is the EB way- something that I thought was actually pretty clear.

We are not going to rush into letting people on the team: we have been burned too often by people who join and do nothing. So either wait while we think about it or just forget it. The third option would be to do some work on your own and show us that you have drive and discipline.

[jirisys]

alright then, sorry, as you are aware, I am, really, really impacient :shame:, sorry if i made you angry, but, my impacience does not stop me from doing a good work, i know i can be very annoying and I apologize, to the whole EB forums, i'm sorry. :embarassed:

I will wait, until you make a verdict, if i don't get in there, well, tough luck. :shame:

My mother uses the computer more than I do, so i only get 3 or 4 hours to do textures and play EB, and do other things like check the org :juggle2:, I don't know what to do for you in that time (texture-wise), but, if someone could tell me, something they want to see (texture-wise) on a soldier, or a icon/info picture, please post it on the help required or make your own thread, and i'll try to do the best I can :smile:

Anyway back to topic, is the translation for the livy quote ok Oudysseus? and will you put it in EB2 (don't worry i won't get impacient)

Anyway hope you can forgive my childish behavior :shame:

~Jirisys (on his first apology on the Org and it's members)

[samba_liten]

All the below by Archilochus, who admittedly lived long before the EB timeframe. He was a mercenary.

"I don't like a tall general nor one in braids
or proud with his curls or part shaved under the chin,
but for me he should be short and around his knees
bowlegged to behold, standing firm on his feet, full of heart."
see link, p.29, for this fragment in Greek
http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/Archilochus.pdf

"Not many bowstrings will be stretched nor slingshot
flying thick, when Ares makes his killing field
On the plain. Then it will be the grievous work of the sword.
They are the Lords of this kind of battle ---
The spear-famed Lords of Euboea."
same link p.33.

"Some Thracian is delighted with the shield, which beside a bush
I left unwillingly, an excellent and perfect armament.
Myself I saved! Why should that shield be important to me?
The hell with it! I'll get another again, just as good."

Ibid p.38

[Macilrille]

All the below by Archilochus, who admittedly lived long before the EB timeframe. He was a mercenary.

"I don't like a tall general nor one in braids
or proud with his curls or part shaved under the chin,
but for me he should be short and around his knees
bowlegged to behold, standing firm on his feet, full of heart."
see link, p.29, for this fragment in Greek
http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/Archilochus.pdf

"Not many bowstrings will be stretched nor slingshot
flying thick, when Ares makes his killing field
On the plain. Then it will be the grievous work of the sword.
They are the Lords of this kind of battle ---
The spear-famed Lords of Euboea."
same link p.33.

"Some Thracian is delighted with the shield, which beside a bush
I left unwillingly, an excellent and perfect armament.
Myself I saved! Why should that shield be important to me?
The hell with it! I'll get another again, just as good."

Ibid p.38

Obviously he was no German,
The most glaring disgrace that can befall them, is to have quitted their shield; nor to one branded with such ignominy is it lawful to join in their sacrifices, or to enter into their assemblies; and many who have escaped in the day of battle, have hanged themselves to put an end to this their infamy. Tacitus Germania on germans.

More Tacitus' on Germans;
On the wedding gift of arms;
That the woman may not suppose herself free from the considerations of fortitude and fighting, or exempt from the casualties of war, the very first solemnities of her wedding serve to warn her, that she comes to her husband as a partner in his hazards and fatigues, that she is to suffer alike with him, to adventure alike, during peace or during war.

There be many more, but I am down with a cold-fuzzed head, so more later.

[Trax]

With the intoduction of the princesses in EBII this one might be appropriate.

Three different translations.

"There are two days when a woman is a pleasure: the day one marries her and the day one buries her."

"Woman is twice a pleasure to man,
The wedding night and her funeral."

"Two happy days a woman brings a man: the first, when he marries her; the second, when he bears her to the grave."

Hipponax "On women"

[oudysseos]

With the intoduction of the princesses in EBII

No princesses in EBII unless someone has a stroke of genius on how to break the hard-code.

[Trax]

Some texts of non Greek or Latin origin.
Perhaps not very good but just for the sake of diversity.

Concerning the conquest of Babylon by Ptolemy III

"That day, the people were slaughtered with iron weapons"
Ptolemy III Chronicle (BCHP 11)
http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/chronicles/bchp-ptolemy_iii/bchp_ptolemy_iii_01.html#TEXT

Concerning the suppression of the revolt of native Egyptians in 186 BC.

"When it was announced to his Majesty through the mouth of a friend of his Majesty, who loves the king, by the chief of the cavalry Aristonikos son of Aristonikos, concerning Komanos, who is one of the first friends of his Majesty: "A battle took place in the South in the area of Thebes with the impious man, the fiend of the gods Hr–wnf and the troops of the Ethiopians, who had united with him, slaying them, seizing as captive this wicked men alive"

and

"On the 3rd of Mesore it was announced to his Majesty: Hr–wnf has been captured alive in the battle against him in year 19, on 24 Epeiph. His son was killed, the commander of the army of impious men, together with the leaders of the Ethiopians who fought on his side. He was brought to the place where the king was. He was punished by death for the crimes, which he had committed, and so were the other criminals, those who had rebelled in the sedition, which they had made."
Second decree of Philae
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~tebtunis/lecture/revolt.html

[echolot]

Iterum dicam, uicistis; nullum contemptu m[ortis incitamentum] ad uincendum homini ab dis immortalibus acrius datum est.

(I say again you are victors, no keener weapon has been put into men's hands by the immortal gods than a contempt for death.)

Hannibal to his men before battle Battle of Ticinus. Livy, Book XXI, 46.9

[Cadwalader]

There should be some useful stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls, particularly the War Scroll. They were written down either within EB's time frame or almost immediately after.

Here (http://meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Christianity/Other_Books/Dead_Sea_Scrolls/the_war_scroll.htm) is a translation, although I am not sure if it can be trusted.

"And the men of the army shall be from forty to fifty years old. The commissioners of the camps shall be from fifty to sixty years old. The officers shall also be from forty to fifty years old."

[Trax]

Brave men are a city's strongest tower of defence - Alcaeus
That was in the vanilla RTW


Men are the warlike tower of the city
άνδρες γαρ πολιός πύργος άρήιος

It seems there are quite a few rather different versions of the Greek text on the net, no idea which one is more correct or authentic.

Here's one
http://www.archive.org/stream/songsofalcaeusme00alcauoft#page/68/mode/2up
Here's another (transcribed)
http://books.google.com/books?id=1TaEK1CgR9AC&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=%22andres+gar+poleos%22&source=bl&ots=PJAmgTyDJe&sig=bkUm_CEOQBob2xyTFN4IqSTzWF0&hl=en&ei=na24TeaEK8ew8QPDstgw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22andres%20gar%20poleos%22&f=false

A bit of context.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53948695/9/Greek-ideas-about-the-city-and-disease-in-the-fifth-century-BC Search for Alcaeus, can't link to the search result inside the book.

[jirisys]

“Alexander, father of Perdiccas, and his forebears first settled and ruled a Macedonia
alongside the sea, having driven by battle the Pierians from Pieria who later occupied
Phagres and other places below Mount Pangaeum beyond the Strymon river. And they also
drove the Bottiaeans from the region called Bottiaea; they now live as neighbors of the
Chalcidians.”

-Thukydides, The History of the Pelopponesan War; Book 2, Chapter 99, Section 2-3

Regards.

-Ludens~Jirisys ()

[Scutarii]

Can someone please update the quotes link on the first page?

I'm getting a 404 error when I try to download it.

[Celtic_Punk]

I know we're looking for quotes of the time period, but This one is quite powerful, and I think, is timeless, as all war is.


"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror." - William Tecumseh Sherman (1880)

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/desolation/desolatn.html (Reference not really needed for this one lots of people know it, quite famous quote :P)

[machinor]

I recently stumbled upon the Arthashastra (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arthashastra), a sort of manual on politics, warfare and economics from a Mauryan statesman who lived roughly during the EB-timeframe. It's very interesting and could provide some nice quotes (some people even call the writer the "the ancient Indian Machiavelli" because of his practical and pragmatic view on politics...).
Unfortunatly I am not versed in indology and cannot provide any quotes in original language. Someone with the know-how might want to look into that.

[Dutch32]

Don't know if I'm doing this right but here goes.
"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing", Socrates
Republic, 354b, (conclusion of book I)

[Vlad-Tudor]

Earlier I tried to use the quotes but they constantly crashed the game.
I did a fresh install with the EB Mini Mode and the quotes seemed to work in there.
If they don't work with the 3 files that are now on the website, I'll just put mine which are OK.
10653

[Antiokhos II Theos]

"Here is my shield,Ares, god of war. Take as well the trappings of my horses- they glow and sparkle!
This statue of Victory, so Eupolemos proclaims, shall King Magas' noble share.
Under her wing, may your dominions, your cities, your people remain safe."

Epigram in style of Kallimachos, circa 280 BCE.
The inscription on block of marble found in bay of Cyrene.
Chamoux, F. 'Hellenistic Civilisation'(2002) / 'La Civilisation Hellenistique(1981)Blackwell, Oxford

[sirtim]

Has this one already been proposed, or included?

Epitaph of Simonides for the Spartan dead at the battle of Thermopylae:

Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.

Ō ksein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tēide
keimetha, tois keinōn rhēmasi peithomenoi.

"Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,
That here, obedient to Spartan law, we lie."

Simple, to the point and rather beautiful, I think.

[sirtim]

Or this one?

“For the whole earth is the tomb of famous men; not only are they commemorated by columns and inscriptions in their own country, but in foreign lands there dwells also an unwritten memorial of them, graven not on stone but in the hearts of men. Make them your examples, and, esteeming courage to be freedom and freedom to be happiness, do not weigh too nicely the perils of war."

[Funeral Oration of Pericles]”
― Thucydides, The History of the Peloponnesian War

[Cadwalader]

Speaking of Spartans, I came across a couple of quotes concerning Spartans and their lifestyle. One is from Plutarch's Life of Lycurgus (http://classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/lycurgus.html).

"They say that a certain king of Pontus, having heard much of this black broth of theirs, sent for a Lacedaemonian cook on purpose to make him some, but had no sooner tasted it than he found it extremely bad, which the cook observing, told him, "Sir, to make this broth relish, you should have bathed yourself first in the river Eurotas."

In a different version (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Instituta_Laconica*.html), it is Dionysus of Syracuse that orders "black broth" to be made, with the same result. The editor's footnote directs you Cicero, again with Dionysus.

In another anecdote, a Sybarite who has a taste of the stuff quips "Now I know why the Spartans do not fear death"! I sincerely hope that really happened. Unfortunately, I could not find a source for that quote.