Player Chatroom (Off-Character Discussion)

[Maion Maroneios]

Now that we're getting started with the game, I believe we can start with some sub-threads for organizing ourselves. This is going to be a thread were you can talk (off-character) about anything you like, though still relevant to the game itself. Feel free to ask questions too.

Maion

[mini]

[x] In as first

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow dude, you are are first in everything I've done so far :tongue: A well-deserved balloon for you: :balloon3:

Maion

[mini]

blame the economic crisis, I'm bored at work :)

They've blocked all sorts of fancy sites like facebook and youtube here, but the Org is still under the radar! :D

[Maion Maroneios]

Aha, cool. Here at Uni, poker sites (including porn, of course) are the only blocked ones. Shame about the poker though, I like Facebook poker.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

I'm in too :clown:

well first question: - will there be more threads like this one, e.g. for the synedron?
- and how is it with my position? I read the faq but do my char only recive tasks or can he interact in the synedron and on other channels too?
- 'cause he is currently working on an emergency-plan to safe Makedonia from the other so-called Hellenes :2thumbsup:

:juggle2:

[Maion Maroneios]

Yes, there will be other threads like this one (Player Description, Synedrion) and yes, you can take part in any Synedrion session. Just make sure your avatar is within Pella when the session begins. For the sole purpose of just getting there for a session, I can utilize the teleportation cheat if you want.

EDIT: I suggest you fire up a Makedonian campaign just to see your character's traits and get a small description of him. I will create a specific thread for that purpose. This goes for everyone :clown:

Maion

[/Bean\]

@Hotseat_User

Check out any of the ongoing and established PBM's already in the Throne Room to see the layout and future threads likely to be in this PBM.

BtSH Forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=264)
LotR Forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=256)
WotB Forum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=262)

[Hotseat_User]

well ... another one :laugh4: in my games, I quickly got the impression that spys die like flys so in the game ... do my Char got seven lifes like a cat or should I just take the 100% targets? :sweatdrop:

and for the state of playing the PBM itself. Does every member move his char on its own and then pass the save to the next one regarding a list? Or does everyone move his char and send the save to the admin whose job it is to do exactly the same in the orginal? Bacause this is, what I understand while reading some threads :dizzy2: :oops: and I am shure that it is wrong.

edit: thanks Beanerz, have done that for some hour but my prof will kill me if I don't finish my essay in some time. so I had to stop forgetting my work while searching the .org *sneak-away* :whip:

[mini]

There will be 1 thread for the save game.

So you say in that thread: "taking the save"
And nobody else will take the save until you upload a new save after your did your moves.

in short:
1) download save from the save thread (make sure nobody has taken the save at this point)
2) make sure you made a post stating you took the save
3) load the save ingame and make your moves
4) save the game after your moves
5) upload the save
6) make a post in the save thread (or edit the one you made in step 2) containing the link where you uploaded the new save

That's it :)
i'm afraid that when your character dies, your dead :)
You can still post as an anonimous synedron, until you can choose a new character.

[Maion Maroneios]

well ... another one :laugh4: in my games, I quickly got the impression that spys die like flys so in the game ... do my Char got seven lifes like a cat or should I just take the 100% targets? :sweatdrop:
We won't send you foolishly to spy some huge cities, at least I hope the Basileus won't. Because you will be under the direct commands of the Basileus and only him. Unless, of course, you are willing to shift your loyalty to someone else...

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

i'm afraid that when your character dies, your dead :)
You can still post as an anonimous synedron, until you can choose a new character.

nah! he will survive for some reason ^_^ hopefully

well - he can just bring awerage informations about enemy garrision by standing next to the settlement while training himself on 100% targets, in schools/academys in Pella and on studytrips to far places - in the meantime, don't you know?!? *dream*

Mhh'kay, I'm out. Greets and thanks for advice, H_U;

[Hotseat_User]

We won't send you foolishly to spy some huge cities, at least I hope the Basileus won't. Because you will be under the direct commands of the Basileus and only him. Unless, of course, you are willing to shift your loyalty to someone else...

He'll roger that.

[Maion Maroneios]

Sure he can and you will be asked to, of course (answering about the deliverance of intelligence).

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

haha, Maion, offtopic - we should do some serious business and stop spam. See you guys.

[The Celtic Viking]

He'll roger that.

Antigonos will roger whatever Antigonos wants to, so you'd better be careful what you say! He might wake up one day and decide that Antipatros' life is expendable. :evilgrin:

[mini]

Hey dad, what about making me Heir?
You wont let your older brother, who bullied you when you were kids, let inherit everything you worked so hard for? :boxedin:

[/Bean\]

Woe be the day when Mini becomes a King...

[johnhughthom]

I think you will find his big bro helped him in his early years. He would never have become the wonderous leader he is without the help support and guidance his elder sibling supplied.:laugh4:

More seriously my character will probably die first so you should have a good chance of becoming heir anyway.

[mini]

I'd be a benevolent king!

[/Bean\]

WOE!

[mini]

My wrath is only to be feared by my enemies!

Oh wait, that's you :p

[/Bean\]

Hey, we're not enemies in this one are we? Tecnically we're not enemies in any of the PBM's. Its your paranoia that sees me as an enemy. You're filling the tick boxes for a good tyrant all the time :beam:

[mini]

haha
No seriously, we aren't enemies anywhere.
But in btsh we just have different visions most of the times. Besides, someone has to reign you in there or you'll run rampant :p

and in MC my character feels unappreciated by trait, and historically Robert was the odd one out in the family, always in fights with brothers/father.

In this game we haven't had reasons to clash...yet.

[/Bean\]

Run rampant? With what? When we said TCM would have to be replaced, I didn't expect the space to be filled by the man I adopted into my family...:inquisitive:

I'm not even MC yet. Since I'm not an official Royal Family member like your characters, I'm waiting til I'm invited to the court.

And I'm hoping to make Alexandros far different to Cotta.

[mini]

Run rampant? With what? When we said TCM would have to be replaced, I didn't expect the space to be filled by the man I adopted into my family...:inquisitive:

I'm not even MC yet. Since I'm not an official Royal Family member like your characters, I'm waiting til I'm invited to the court.

And I'm hoping to make Alexandros far different to Cotta.

I'm not really replacing TCM, he opposed all you stood for for the sake of opposing.
I just oppose anything I feel needs opposing ;)


And dude, you're William Rufus in MC..

You switched chars with culture drizzt fan because he had troubles with M2TW and had to get a new copy.
So he's playing young henry soon to come of age and you're Rufus.
And we still need new people to fill cecilia's husband.

So you're my younger brother, but favorite of the king. You just became count of Mercia and you're heir to the throne

So YEAH, my char bears a grudge to you :p

[/Bean\]

Oh thats me? Haha, I thought I was still Cecilia's husband.

Here's some laughing spam, aimed at you, especially for you:

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EDIT: I seemed to messed up my own spam...

[mini]

Yeah I already thought somethign was wrong, ergo the multiple comments on the 'suspicious silenceness' of Rufus during the council

[/Bean\]

hmm, I can roleplay him when I get some free time soon. I'll just start 'Rufus had stayed quiet during the exchange..'

[Hotseat_User]

hehe, got another one: when I move my char by move_character to come to the synedron in time, can I use the unused waypoints right away after teleporting him back? you see, I'm kind of confused but also interested as hell.


Antigonos will roger whatever Antigonos wants to, so you'd better be careful what you say! He might wake up one day and decide that Antipatros' life is expendable. :evilgrin:
ohh and TCV, you totally missunderstood me :yes: "He'll roger that." the he was referred to my character - he will do, whatever his king wants him to do.

[/Bean\]

What's the unused way points?

[mini]

Only Maion is allowed to use move per console :)

[Hotseat_User]

ahh well, the he will send his dancer with some briefing if he's on the way :juggle2: thank you guys, just misread the article where Maion responded to my first questions.


What's the unused way points?

I meant the green to red to blue? to yellow? moving range on the campaignmap. :smile:

[mini]

he means move points Bean, the amount of distance a char can travel each turn ;)

[The Celtic Viking]

Hey dad, what about making me Heir?
You wont let your older brother, who bullied you when you were kids, let inherit everything you worked so hard for? :boxedin:


I think you will find his big bro helped him in his early years. He would never have become the wonderous leader he is without the help support and guidance his elder sibling supplied.:laugh4:

If you guys can't stop fighting about it I think it's only fair if everyone gets to be the heir. ~:flirt:

[everyone]

If you guys can't stop fighting about it I think it's only fair if everyone gets to be the heir. ~:flirt:

thanks!

[mini]

I think it's only fair if everyone gets to be the heir. ~:flirt:


i didn't know the game engine allowed for multiple heirs at same time?


























Lame I know.

[HunGeneral]

I would have a question: how those this "upload save" work? I know you're supposed to make the save availeable to all players but how do you do that in the forums? (never did before...:sweatdrop:)

[/Bean\]

PBM Uploader (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=199)

[Iskander 3.1]

So we can't take part in Synedrion discussions if we aren't actually in Pella?

Also, for Hotseat User: EBPBM etiquette for taking a save is to only take it if you really need to, and try to post the new save within an hour so other players can get their move in.

[Maion Maroneios]

Antigonos will roger whatever Antigonos wants to, so you'd better be careful what you say! He might wake up one day and decide that Antipatros' life is expendable. :evilgrin:
While I understand this was meant as a joke, I want to make something clear. There was, historically, a major difference between Hellenistic rulers of the East (Seleukeia, Aigyptos) and Makedonian Basileis. The former were considered above human, even deified sometimes. The Proskynesis (an act of worship) was frequently utilized by subjects of Eastern Hellenistic monarchs. In Makedonia, that concept was alien and frowned upon. The Basileus was considered equal in the eyes of the people, and was also addressed in a much more casual way than you would address, say, the Basileus of the Seleukeis.

Anyway, just wanted to point this out since you might confuse your job a bit with your title in WotB.


So we can't take part in Synedrion discussions if we aren't actually in Pella?
If your avatar is too far away from Pella, he won't be able to participate, no. Though he can send a representative. So basically if you can come up with a name for your representative in case of your absense from Pella, it's ok.

Oh yes and something else guys: please, mini and Beanerz, keep this stuff between you. We don't have to share this, really.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

Guys, a minor correction on a mistake on my part: The Arche-part of the Kataskopos and Proxenos, should be changed to a "iota" (i) instead of the "e". So it has to be Archikataskopos and Archiproxenos respectively.

Maion

[mini]

will do, but this is the ooc thread right? Expect some more pointless rambling in this topic in the future :p

[Maion Maroneios]

This isn't WotB neither BtSH, so it isn't an OOC. But if you mean like one, I suppose so.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

@ Beanerz: Saw you added the Dioiketes part to your character in the PD thread. Actually, you have no legitimate position, so you basically have no title (yet). The upcoming Synedrion is going to set more titles and generally sort several things out.

Maion

[/Bean\]

No problem. Did I forget to put a question mark? I just didn't know what my rank was, and then I had to go back to work so I havent done anymore to my SOT. So I'm a member of the Royal Family-is that considered my rank for the moment?

[Maion Maroneios]

You could add that, ok.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

hey ho, I'm probably not at home till tomorrow early evening (CET) so if you want to progress, just move my char to one of the 100% citys in asia minor.
See you , H_U;

[TinCow]

How many threads do you guys expect this game to eventually generate?

[/Bean\]

Counting or discounting polls?

[Iskander 3.1]

If we have an election every year, then probably quite a few.

p.s. Are you going to join us, Mr. Cow?

[/Bean\]

TC's just retired from active PBMing

[TinCow]

Counting or discounting polls?

Counting. All threads created for the game, regardless of their purpose.


p.s. Are you going to join us, Mr. Cow?

Regrettably, no. I'm kind of burned out on PBMs at the moment and can't even summon up the will-power to do my write-up for the ETW successor PBM. I'll probably jump back into the games later this year once I'm feeling inspired again.

[/Bean\]

I can't answer for Maion, but I'd guess quite a few. It already looks very popular, and there may be voting every 4 turns, so more polls than some other games I imagine. Enough threads for a *cough*, sub forum..

[The Celtic Viking]

Am I supposed to start the first session now, or are we still waiting for something? I'm a little unsure, by the way, about my opening speech. I suppose I should address the "Pyrrhos outside of Pella" situation and the KH nuisance, but what else is there that I have missed? As it seems important that I don't miss anything important, I want to check here this first time.

I have also understood it that I as the Basileus decide the length of the session on my own. Is that correct?

[mini]

You missed the feather dancers at court in Corinth. Quite distasteful, it should be halted.

[/Bean\]

And my promotion.

Nah but seriously. You should, not introduce, but set up each of the characters, so that each knows what he's doing and where he's going. Your the king, so give orders, rather than let people decide what they want to do, and then have them sat around doing nothing because they havent got anything to do.

And I think we should discuss in here what our policies on capturing cities should be, and on the spawning of armies. I would prefer not to let any factions be destroyed utterly, because it stops any future rise of them. We shouldn't expand too quickly, and maybe do more raids on cities than actually capturing them all the time. What's everyone else's view?

[mini]

The greeks are too treacherous, they must be destroyed!

[/Bean\]

They should at the very least retain Sparta, and we should (if they don't rebel to them anyway) give them Byzantion, Rhodes (I know), Crete, Thermon to represent the independent Greek states. Then it at least gives us an enemy to fight later rather than just the Eleutheroi, who everyone knows the problems with.

[Hotseat_User]

mhh nice idea Bean, but me for myself, I just think we should push them out of hellas and then feed them to further greatness ... well at least in asia minor, at sicilly or some where. but you got the point. - then we would blitz something. but I don't know, how the money thing is handled in PBMs, I just can't get out of debt without blitzing one other faction (Ep/Mak/KH)
Well to the ingame suggestions, my char has recently received some precisious informations. But will there be a own synedron-thread?

edit: found the synedron thread, but for the FD-minimod, is version 1.0 working for EB1.2 aswell?

[HunGeneral]

There was, historically, a major difference between Hellenistic rulers of the East (Seleukeia, Aigyptos) and Makedonian Basileis. The former were considered above human, even deified sometimes. The Proskynesis (an act of worship) was frequently utilized by subjects of Eastern Hellenistic monarchs. In Makedonia, that concept was alien and frowned upon. The Basileus was considered equal in the eyes of the people, and was also addressed in a much more casual way than you would address, say, the Basileus of the Seleukeis.

Hmm. Do you think that could have changed if the Arche Seleukeia had somehow managed to conquer Makedonia and get them to accept the Basileus ton Basileon as there rightful ruler? (just curious)


The greeks are too treacherous, they must be destroyed!

Seconded!:yes:

They must fall.

About leaving other factions alive: I don't know... if it works realisticly we should but if they become obsolete I say: put them to rest. Our first priority should be however to conquer all of hellas.

[The Celtic Viking]

And my promotion.

Nah but seriously. You should, not introduce, but set up each of the characters, so that each knows what he's doing and where he's going. Your the king, so give orders, rather than let people decide what they want to do, and then have them sat around doing nothing because they havent got anything to do.

All right, bean, you strap on some of those pots filled with Greek fire, run into Athens and throw yourself at the finest building you can find, and Everyone, you assist him but under AI control. Iskander, you take your fleet and randomly blockade any port of any random faction, wait one turn and then move on and do the same again. The rest of you can just attack each other at will.

How's that?

Seriously though, as Maion said I'm technically an equal to you, so we must discuss things anyway. Otherwise, lets just skip the Synedrion completely and just let me reign supreme... not that I mind, of course, but I don't think that's how Maion designed the game. ~;p


And I think we should discuss in here what our policies on capturing cities should be, and on the spawning of armies. I would prefer not to let any factions be destroyed utterly, because it stops any future rise of them. We shouldn't expand too quickly, and maybe do more raids on cities than actually capturing them all the time. What's everyone else's view?

About not destroying factions completely, it depends on the situation IMO, but generally yes, let them live. We're on the same page, in other words.

[Maion Maroneios]

How many threads do you guys expect this game to eventually generate?
Dunno, but probably one more for character stories, one more for the Synedrion that are going to be held soon (that is, the voting procedure) and probably one more thread that will contain all annual reports that have been written in the "Savegames" thread. Oh yes and an "Agora" thread, where the Basileus or any other player can make public statements regardless of where they are stationed. Synedrion sessions, declarations of war and major diplomatic negotiations will be announced there for all to see. Also, speeches can be held for example by players.


Am I supposed to start the first session now, or are we still waiting for something? I'm a little unsure, by the way, about my opening speech. I suppose I should address the "Pyrrhos outside of Pella" situation and the KH nuisance, but what else is there that I have missed? As it seems important that I don't miss anything important, I want to check here this first time.

I have also understood it that I as the Basileus decide the length of the session on my own. Is that correct?
We will start soon, yes. I'll give you a nudge when to start. First, you will announce the Synedrion is going to start soon at the Agora thread I'm going to create, then you officialy declare the beginning (with date) of the session. Remember, this is going to be an emergency session where you won't be present (neither will Krateros, Kalos and Alexandros for that matter) and will have to talk through a representative. I will work as the coordinator of the Synedrion, much like I did in my ceased interactive AAR in the past.

There's also another thing you should do, something of vital importance; namely, you have to choose your Basilikos Grammateus formally during the session. He can be any player's character you decide. Either just Synedros, or maybe even a Strategos. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But make your decision and announce it when you start the session. Oh and don't forget you can't be the Basilikos Grammateus yourself, like Chancellor in WotB.


Hmm. Do you think that could have changed if the Arche Seleukeia had somehow managed to conquer Makedonia and get them to accept the Basileus ton Basileon as there rightful ruler? (just curious)
Nope. When Alexandros was beginning to get spoiled by his conquests and titles he gained (as well as the unimaginable sums of gold and silver, of course), he begun asking his Macedonians to worship him as a god (the Proskynesis I mentioned). This, of course, enraged his men who refused to do that. His later subjects though, especially locals I guess, would be used to deifying their monarch.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

There's also another thing you should do, something of vital importance; namely, you have to choose your Basilikos Grammateus formally during the session. He can be any player's character you decide. Either just Synedros, or maybe even a Strategos. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But make your decision and announce it when you start the session. Oh and don't forget you can't be the Basilikos Grammateus yourself, like Chancellor in WotB.


Who is better for this than your trusted older brother TCV? :yes:

[The Celtic Viking]

Thanks for the clarifications, Maion. Duly noted. (I didn't want to be Basilikos Grammateus anyway.)


Who is better for this than your trusted older brother TCV? :yes:

The highest bidder? ~;)

[Iskander 3.1]

Send him IC PMs! Makes it more fun!

[Maion Maroneios]

I didn't want to be Basilikos Grammateus anyway.
Just wanted to make sure the Basilikos Grammateus and Chancellor don't get confused with each other.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

Cool, we got a sub-forum very quickly. Cheers TinCow.

[Iskander 3.1]

Moo to yoo!

[Maion Maroneios]

Yeah, just got pm'ed about it and I was very (pleasantly) surprised! Get ready for action now, guys :charge:

Maion

[HunGeneral]

Now this sub-forum was a great suprise to start the day.:beam:

[johnhughthom]

Just thought I should mention that I don't have much experience using phalanx based armies in EB, or RTW for that matter. Most of my campaigns have been as the Romani, Pahlava, Getai or Saba, all based on fast moving, fluid tactics. I had one Ptolemy (:shame:) campaign in 0.72 or so but it was a while ago. It may be best for me not to take charge of an army in the dangerous early game, although I'm more than happy to take one if the Synedrion decides.

[/Bean\]

Good, its good that we have possible generals varied in ability

[navarro951]

CONGRATS ON THE YOUR OWN FORUM GENTS!

[Maion Maroneios]

CONGRATS ON THE YOUR OWN FORUM GENTS!
Thanks man!

Maion

[johnhughthom]

In reply to mini's post in the Synedrion.



The messenger leaves the hall.

Who are you talking to? :clown:


I'm not 100% sure what my role as Basilikos Grammateus entails, do I simply end each turn and post a report and the new save for the next turn or is there more to it? Also the game rules mention personal fortunes, but not how this is calculated, or have I missed something?

[TinCow]

Maion Maroneios (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=28051) is now Forum Leader for the TVS subforum and has the ability to sticky and lock threads. He is also responsible for running the TVS game. If you have a problem with the game itself, please contact Maion Maroneios first. I will not be monitoring the daily progress of the game, so it would be best if you could try and resolve any issues with him first, and only bump it up to me if you are not satisfied with the result.

However, this only extends to gameplay itself. This subforum is provided for organizational purposes only. It is still a part of the Throne Room and all (both) Throne Room rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1892229&postcount=1) still apply. If there are general problems between players in this forum, please contact me directly. This includes inappropriate language, personal attacks, etc. Competitive games like this can sometimes cause a bit of OOC conflict. Try and remember that it's just a game; keep the conflicts in the IC realm, and be friendly and courteous at all times OOC.

As always, please also feel free to contact me if there's anything I can do to help out. Good luck! :2thumbsup:

[Maion Maroneios]

Excellent! I believe we won't have any problems with behaviour, given that most of the guys that have subscribed I already know more or less. Of course, you never know... Anyway, I'll try and do my best as a Forum Leader henceforth! :2thumbsup:

@ Beanerz: Regarding Eb vs real life numbers, a more "relistic" feel is x10 for Huge numbers, so x20 for Large. Just my :2cents:

Maion

[/Bean\]

Takin bets on who will be cautioned first...I bet myself :laugh4:

And oh sorry, didn't realise we were on large..I'll shall pretend I said something different...Blackadder style

[johnhughthom]

Are we supposed to be proposing edicts in the Synedrion yet, or are we just going to argue for a while? :sweatdrop::clown:

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, when I decide we've argued enough, I will propose edicts. You will second what you wish to second, and then I believe I'm supposed to PM Maion with the edicts that passed. He will then put up a poll for everyone to vote in. I will go to bed now after checking WotB and BtSH, so I will give you the night to discuss things through. I will propose the edicts tomorrow.

[Maion Maroneios]

Takin bets on who will be cautioned first...I bet myself :laugh4:

And oh sorry, didn't realise we were on large..I'll shall pretend I said something different...Blackadder style
No problem, just saying.


Well, when I decide we've argued enough, I will propose edicts. You will second what you wish to second, and then I believe I'm supposed to PM Maion with the edicts that passed. He will then put up a poll for everyone to vote in. I will go to bed now after checking WotB and BtSH, so I will give you the night to discuss things through. I will propose the edicts tomorrow.
Yep, that's correct.

I really have to try and get some sleep, by the way :tongue:

Maion

[everyone]

it seems I have no idea what to make Kalos say in the Synedrion. I'll just pretend that he's still there listening, instead of idling in Demetrias.

[Maion Maroneios]

That's your choise. I wouldn't worry too much about what you should say, though.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

By the way, I'm going to put up a poll very soon. Plus, keep your eyes peeled, for I will post a list with player's salaries and how to implement them in-game.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

hah, thx Maion, i've entered this room to ask if my char will recive smth yet. Maybe the synedron have to discuss the 'national finaces' of macedonia ( err, stupid translation in my point of view... in german it would be 'Staatshaushalt' - but I think all of you get me. )
but if you make the poll and the list, this will be needed at a later point. :juggle2:

[Maion Maroneios]

hah, thx Maion, i've entered this room to ask if my char will recive smth yet. Maybe the synedron have to discuss the 'national finaces' of macedonia ( err, stupid translation in my point of view... in german it would be 'Staatshaushalt' - but I think all of you get me. )
but if you make the poll and the list, this will be needed at a later point. :juggle2:
If you take a look at some previous Synedrion posts, you'll see everyone pretty much agrees on sending your character to spy on Pyrrhos' army and his son's (Ptolemaios). But you'll have to wait for TCV (the current Basileus) to get the actual order, since he's really the one with the power to do anything.

Oh and about the finances... It should be made clear that the Synedrion's job is purely typical. The Basileus doesn't have to obey anyone, he rather consults the nobles. Thus, matters like politics, war and economics have to be run by the Basileus himself. The Basilikos Grammateus is someone who is usually tasked with organizing the finances of the state, while of course he can always consult the Synedrion. And that's exactly what the Synedrion does: it consults instead of decide.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Maion, why are you awake?

[Hotseat_User]

ehhh I bet he didn't get a stop in his Mak-Campaign :inquisitive:

those vinered guys in my north tried to rip out my last spartan fm exactly when the Arche decided to travel for my towns ... :furious3: nah I'm out, cu tomorrow.

[Maion Maroneios]

Well dudes, it's 11:10am here. By the way, I've readied a list with salaries. Take a look and tell me what you think:

Archikataskopos - 200 mnai
Archiproxenos - 100 mnai
Archon stolou - 400 mnai
Strategos/Governor (any type) - 500 mnai

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

Archikataskopos - 200 mnai
Archiproxenos - 100 mnai
Archon stolou - 400 mnai
Strategos/Governor (any type) - 500 mnai

roger that. but the Strats/Govs receive further Mnai for build-/recruitorders, do they?

and another question: now that Antipatros received orders from his basileu, should I move him around at the save and then post the new one? Will do it now. :-D

arrrr I don't get it with the saves, Maion, please move Antipatros till I have more time to understand how its work.

[/Bean\]

Is the save open?

What don't you understand about it, Hotseat?

[Hotseat_User]

in the save-thread, after i moved my char, i saved like maion told 272-1-02 then, but i don't get, how I can upload it to this save-libary... :help:

[HunGeneral]

Archikataskopos - 200 mnai
Archiproxenos - 100 mnai
Archon stolou - 400 mnai
Strategos/Governor (any type) - 500 mnai


Its OK with me.

[Maion Maroneios]

roger that. but the Strats/Govs receive further Mnai for build-/recruitorders, do they?

and another question: now that Antipatros received orders from his basileu, should I move him around at the save and then post the new one? Will do it now. :-D

arrrr I don't get it with the saves, Maion, please move Antipatros till I have more time to understand how its work.
Governors and Generals get more money, because they are more important men, obviously. Higher social standing, higher salary.

Let the Synedrion first end with the votings, then do your moves. TCV shall probably PM you about what to do, so you can take the save at any given point and do what you have to.


in the save-thread, after i moved my char, i saved like maion told 272-1-02 then, but i don't get, how I can upload it to this save-libary... :help:
I have uploaded a link at the Savegames thread, there you can see where to upload the savegame.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

okay, thank you Maion :juggle2:

[johnhughthom]

Why are the votes hidden in the poll, surely the Synedrion would be a simple raising of hands to vote and everybody could see who voted which way for each edict?

[Iskander 3.1]

I think the salaries are ok...would I be able to get a "bonus" every time I beat up some pirates? :)

[johnhughthom]

Do I get a bonus as Basilikos Grammateus, perhaps I could put it down under corruption in my reports.:yes:

[Maion Maroneios]

Why are the votes hidden in the poll, surely the Synedrion would be a simple raising of hands to vote and everybody could see who voted which way for each edict?
Because that's not how things worked, mostly. The Athenians, for example, has a large vase and, upon voting for a specific law or legislation in general, the Council members threw a pebble inside the vase. There were two pebble colours, a black (no-vote) and a white (yes-vote) one. This was done anonymously, as you may understand. The main reason is, because it helps when you're afraid of what you vote. Generally, it's considered beter to vote anonymously.


I think the salaries are ok...would I be able to get a "bonus" every time I beat up some pirates? :)
Actully, all of you guys can be as corrupt as possible. Just take on a savegame, examine the finances, and see if you can get any bonus income from a specific category, like "corruption" (under faction finances) for example. Then just PM me and I'll arrange everything needed.


Do I get a bonus as Basilikos Grammateus, perhaps I could put it down under corruption in my reports.:yes:
See my reply above.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

Because that's not how things worked, mostly. The Athenians, for example, has a large vase and, upon voting for a specific law or legislation in general, the Council members threw a pebble inside the vase. There were two pebble colours, a black (no-vote) and a white (yes-vote) one. This was done anonymously, as you may understand. The main reason is, because it helps when you're afraid of what you vote. Generally, it's considered beter to vote anonymously.

Maion

OK cool, I didn't realise that.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Hey Maion, I am gonna have to drop out... my hearts just not in it, trying to do four PBM at one time, I am a chancellor in WotB and I just dont have time to go through the stuff here. sorry.

[A Very Super Market]

I'm not dropping out, but I do apologize for my inactiveness here.

It is partly due to EB not working properly on a new computer, and partly because I feel a bit intimidated by the other well-thought-out posts by other players. I don't even know what to give my character as a name yet! As a synedros, I simply vote for edicts, correct? If that is all, then I will immediately start to actually contribute to the game. But first, I must root through the EB files until I find a suitable name.

[johnhughthom]

I'm not dropping out, but I do apologize for my inactiveness here.

It is partly due to EB not working properly on a new computer, and partly because I feel a bit intimidated by the other well-thought-out posts by other players. I don't even know what to give my character as a name yet! As a synedros, I simply vote for edicts, correct? If that is all, then I will immediately start to actually contribute to the game. But first, I must root through the EB files until I find a suitable name.

Surely theres a random Greek name generator somewhere on the net.

edit: Tried it for you and got Timon Philomeleides.

[Maion Maroneios]

Hey Maion, I am gonna have to drop out... my hearts just not in it, trying to do four PBM at one time, I am a chancellor in WotB and I just dont have time to go through the stuff here. sorry.
Sure man, I'll unsuscribe you then.


I'm not dropping out, but I do apologize for my inactiveness here.

It is partly due to EB not working properly on a new computer, and partly because I feel a bit intimidated by the other well-thought-out posts by other players. I don't even know what to give my character as a name yet! As a synedros, I simply vote for edicts, correct? If that is all, then I will immediately start to actually contribute to the game. But first, I must root through the EB files until I find a suitable name.
OK, cool. Please remember to state your name and position when voting, so I can count the votes and see who actually voted and who not.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

OK people, voting period is over. TCV, I pass the strings of the game to you. Announce the decisions in the Agora and order your subjects!

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

Ahh... my favourite part.

[Maion Maroneios]

OK TCV, you should officially announce the ending of the Synedrion, just as you did when you declared the opening of it. All talks shall continue here, or via PMs.

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

Oh right, sorry. I forgot. :embarassed:

[/Bean\]

So the norths sorted. What are the individual orders for the south? Does Alexandros stay in Korinthos or join Krateros' army? Who's going to garrison and manage Korinthos?

[The Celtic Viking]

In the south, Krateros is the regional military commander and commands the defence of that area, and Alexandros is there to aid him, through counselling and through military actions. This was basically stated in Edict E1.2.

As for Korinthos, it - like all other settlements - belongs to and is run by me. I have not given any away nor have I made someone a governor yet. That's basically because this was an emergency session, and the point was to address the most immediate problem most quickly - less urgent things like that can be taken care of during the first normal session. (Or, I just didn't think about it. Your choice. Can it be given outside of a session? Doesn't matter much either way, of course, since the next session is just 3 turns away.

Oh, and can a regular Synedros be made a governor?)

[/Bean\]

I was just thinking, because we're not going to have any funds left to recruit a garrison for Korinthos, and if you want Alexandros and Krateros to have any forces to fight with then none can be spared to garrison it. It's red as it is.

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, there's not much I can do about it, so you'll just have to make the best out of it. It was on the advice of the Synedrion that I proposed that the garrison of Thessalia should be sent to Pella instead of Korinthos, after all.

[/Bean\]

Well, do you want us to hold Korinthos, or actively defeat Greek armies? because we can't do both. Do we try and hold Korinthos until Antigonos returns and risk being assaulted and our characters killed, or do we lose Korinthos and hope to reclaim it later?

[The Celtic Viking]

Alexandros and Krateros should decide that for themselves, with the latter having the final word. Defend it as best you can. That's what I meant about "regional military commander": he decides, and you should help him do that.

[Iskander 3.1]

We have enough room to evacuate by ship, but you will need to make up your minds quickly. Once the troops bound for Pella are boarded, we will leave immediately.

[/Bean\]

Bah! We don't retreat! Tis only a matter of where we make our stand.

[Maion Maroneios]

Good going lads, lets see how this works out.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Can whoever takes the next save move Alexandros out of Korinthos and take command of the souther army, and move him to a defensible sight for me please? I am having to remove my EB 1.2 version and reinstall it, but because I have linked this particular version to so many other things its taking a while to sort everything out. Much obliged.

[johnhughthom]

I'll not be at my PC today or most of tomorrow (going to Dublin to see AC/DC :thrasher: ) so I won't be able to end the turn if everybody takes the save before then. Could TCV end the turn this time if everybody has their go today?

edit: Whoops reread the save thread and see Maion ends the turns not the Basilikos Gramatteus. All is well.:beam:

[/Bean\]

AC/DC are in Dublin? Why didn't I know of this? I wanna go :thumbsdown:

[Maion Maroneios]

I give you permission to end the turn then :beam:

Maion

[everyone]

hi, can anyone inform me of (list) the units stationed in Demetrias? because I haven't taken a look at it yet and now that my EB computer is broken, I can't.
thanks

[Maion Maroneios]

I've included this in the subscription thread, if I'm not mistaken.

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

Gah, you're putting me on ending the turn? Me no wanna do that. :brood:

But if that's what you want, I can perhaps do it this one time. I must fix 1.2 and a couple of other things first, though.

[everyone]

I've included this in the subscription thread, if I'm not mistaken.

Maion

all right, thanks. SOT is updated.

[Maion Maroneios]

Gah, you're putting me on ending the turn? Me no wanna do that. :brood:

But if that's what you want, I can perhaps do it this one time. I must fix 1.2 and a couple of other things first, though.
OK, then I give you the authority of deciding who does it.

Maion

[Iskander 3.1]

all right, thanks. SOT is updated.

@Everyone: Your Phalangitai Deuteroi and Sphendonetai are no longer in Thessalia, as per my orders.

[The Celtic Viking]

OK, then I give you the authority of deciding who does it.

Maion

I say you can do it. You, beanerz or everyone, whoever comes first (and accept ~;p).

[/Bean\]

Yay!

[johnhughthom]

There is a slight contradiction in the rules, the rules in the sunscription thread suggest the Basilikos Grammateus ends the turn, but the save game thread says Maion does it. I am happy to do it as current Basilikos Grammateus, I was only mentioning I would be away yesterday and so couldn't do it that one time. It seems to have been irrelevant anyway as no one has taken the save...

[Maion Maroneios]

OK, I'm going to delete the one in the subscription thread. You go on and end the turn.

EDIT: OK, I thought of something else. What happens if you get an adoption canditate? Obviously, no one except the Basileus should have the privilege of making that decision. As such, I believe it should be best for the Basileus to end turns. But since TCV has some problems, you could go on and take full responsibility.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

TCV hasn't taken the save, should I move his army and end the turn? We should probably put a time limit on how long a save is open so we know when to end each time. What happens when the turn is ended and a battle occurs during the AI turn, is it possible to quicksave and upload for the player to take?

[johnhughthom]

AC/DC are in Dublin? Why didn't I know of this? I wanna go :thumbsdown:

Man you missed quite a show, I think I still have some of Angus' sweat on me, may never wash again. :laugh4:
Search for it on youtube, the intro was awesome.

[Maion Maroneios]

TCV hasn't taken the save, should I move his army and end the turn? We should probably put a time limit on how long a save is open so we know when to end each time. What happens when the turn is ended and a battle occurs during the AI turn, is it possible to quicksave and upload for the player to take?
Yes, move the army to Pella yourself and upload the save. As for quicksaves, I really don't have any idea. You can save nornally as well, but from what I know, this can cause CTDs. That is, saving the game before a battle. Anyway, we don't need to worry about that for the time being.

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

TCV hasn't taken the save, should I move his army and end the turn? We should probably put a time limit on how long a save is open so we know when to end each time. What happens when the turn is ended and a battle occurs during the AI turn, is it possible to quicksave and upload for the player to take?

First of all, yes you should move my army. I asked you to do that in my SOT, and that's why I didn't take it.

Unless things have changed from 1.1 to 1.2, you can save normally with no problem other than that the AI factions after that won't get money assistance.


OK, I'm going to delete the one in the subscription thread. You go on and end the turn.

EDIT: OK, I thought of something else. What happens if you get an adoption canditate? Obviously, no one except the Basileus should have the privilege of making that decision. As such, I believe it should be best for the Basileus to end turns. But since TCV has some problems, you could go on and take full responsibility.

Maion

Again, if it hasn't changed since 1.1, you can save and hand it over for adoptions with no problem. Just minimize it (that is, don't close it, just send it back to the lower left corner... you know).

[johnhughthom]

First of all, yes you should move my army. I asked you to do that in my SOT, and that's why I didn't take it.



Whoops, new to this Basilikos Grammeteus lark, didn't think to check your SOT. The Thessalian Cavalry were in Demetrias right? If so they are still there....
You should have no problem fighting the KH army without themn though.

[Maion Maroneios]

OK guys, good going with the saves. If you need any teleportation due to misunderstandings (provided it doesn't count as cheating), just tell me. Oh, and TCV, don't worry about us having to wait. No problems there.

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

Thanks, Maion. I've fought the battle and sent the save to John to make his report. I'll make a short battle report now...

(It sadly won't have much pictures, though. Just the results. :shame:)

[Hotseat_User]

:oops: just another question :dizzy2: wasn't it told, that if you load a save while the ai-round is managed, the gouvernment-buildings wouldn't be build? Ohhh my english grammar... sry :-D

[/Bean\]

Do you mean if TCV fights the battle and passes the save on once the turn ends, then the Turn Report Cards won't show up? They do, for your information. And don't worry, your grammer is of course not perfect, but completely understandable. Where are you from anyway, Hotseat?

[The Celtic Viking]

Do you mean if TCV fights the battle and passes the save on once the turn ends, then the Turn Report Cards won't show up? They do, for your information. And don't worry, your grammer is of course not perfect, but completely understandable. Where are you from anyway, Hotseat?

I believe he means that if someone takes the save during AI turns (in the first turn?), the AI after that may not get their government buildings, which are placed by the script.

[/Bean\]

:tumbleweed:

[johnhughthom]

What's your experience of this from playing WoTB, TCV? I don't remember any problems from when I played, then again it's something that could easily go unnoticed.

[The Celtic Viking]

In WotB Ibn jumped ahead one season and the first save the rest of us got was in the summer of 272, so that was no problem there of course.

It's possible he's right. Someone should check it, and when you do, check Epeiros. They should be the last faction to get their turn, so if they have it, the rest should have it too. If they don't, try ending the turn again to see if it fixes itself. If not, I'm afraid we'll need to redo it, and... ugh... let me end the turn. I really don't want to do that, though. I've written a little battle story already and I don't want to fight the same battle again.

[Maion Maroneios]

Cool, good going guys. Don't hesitate to ask anything as well. Maybe in a few years we'll have some spare FMs so I can officially join :wink:

EDIT: By the way guys, make sure you add your incomes from the turn that passed.

Maion

[/Bean\]

You could always Auto_Calc it, TCV, and then post the battle story as if you had done it once.

[Maion Maroneios]

You could always Auto_Calc it, TCV, and then post the battle story as if you had done it once.
Totally unnecessary. Plus, too many deaths that are irreplacable in the beginning.

Maion

[Iskander 3.1]

Yeah good job all, we're off to a good start (p.s. johnhughtom don't take my Agora rant personally, it's strictly IC. If I were playing my own Mak campaign, I'd dismantle the whole fleet. This is why staying IC can be so much fun.)

[johnhughthom]

No, don't worry I didn't take it personally. I should have checked though, it's just the game is taking a while to get going and I didn't want to hold it up any more.

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah. Speaking of that, I was meaning to answer that letter, john, but I just forgot to. I will get to it some time and blame slow messengers. :embarassed:

[Iskander 3.1]

Cool, good going guys. Don't hesitate to ask anything as well. Maybe in a few years we'll have some spare FMs so I can officially join :wink:

EDIT: By the way guys, make sure you add your incomes from the turn that passed.

Maion

Do we just put income in our SOT post?

[/Bean\]

Gah! I forgot about my SOT! It looks so...little...aww

[johnhughthom]

Ok I checked and the KH and Epirotes both have govt buildings. I then started a few new games to see if AI factions start with govt buildings and they do, so have I misunderstood what the problem is?

[The Celtic Viking]

There is none, then, and can just continue. Woo-hoo!

[Hotseat_User]

Where are you from?

just from somwhere in the area of the defeat of Varvs(sp?), so Germany.

The problem I mentioned was told to happen if a AI-faction conquer a nother settlement. Its because TCV can't activate the script when he loads the save to fight the battle. And John, on the other hand can't activate it to. Read somewhere, that the script places possible gouvernment buildings for the AI 'cause it would only build the govB if no other choices are left in the buildoptions.
This could 'cause some AI-trouble, if for example those Molossians had conquered Illyria this round. They would never (or at least for a long time) get a GovB there. If I remember right, these GovB's are only set by the script when the settlement is conquered in the last round.
But hopfully I'm wrong - if I'm not, the synedron should give the Basilikos Grammateus as the current 'end-button-PUSHER' (OFFTOPIC: sry had to do this ... 'my finger, is on the button ... dumdidum') further rights to fight all battles that appear to happen while AI is progressing.

ohh and as always, another ? :-D do I have to remember and publish my amount of money all the time? so after one round, Antipatros had to have 400Mnai receiving 200mn/t ???

[The Celtic Viking]

Oh, so that's what you meant. Yes, that's true, but only for the factions who have yet to do their turn when the save is handed over. They also don't get their money assistance. As long as it doesn't happen every turn, though, it's not a big problem. I haven't noticed any in WotB.

[mini]

Btw

Am I responsible for recruting extra forces in Pella, or is that in the hands of the FH (or whoever is considered the supreme commander. I haven't learned all the mac ranks yet, i'm a rome buff)

[/Bean\]

It's already been done by the Basileus Grammatikus

[Hotseat_User]

Oh, so that's what you meant. Yes, that's true, but only for the factions who have yet to do their turn when the save is handed over. They also don't get their money assistance. As long as it doesn't happen every turn, though, it's not a big problem. I haven't noticed any in WotB.

Okay, thanks. :idea2:

[Maion Maroneios]

do I have to remember and publish my amount of money all the time? so after one round, Antipatros had to have 400Mnai receiving 200mn/t ???
Well, it'd be a good thing for you to keep account of your own finances. You can enter a question mark in your character description post, but you may and can be inspected at any time. Remember, I've told that if anyone wishes to gain money from other sources as well (that is, illegally, or sometimes without even the Basileus' knowledge), he can ask me and I'll arrange it without telling anyone (as to reflect the secrecy of the act). So you can keep track of your normal incomes and total sum of mnai you gain per turn, while somewhere else you can keep track of all the mnai you gain, plus those "illegal" sources.

Think of making a small fortune as an opportunity to gain prestige and, who knows (this applies to FMs), even an army of your own in case of your civil war. If, for example, someone has an army entrusted by the Basileus and X provinces, he may loot another settlement, gain some mnai and form alliances with other Satraps or local governors to go against the Basileus.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Though I command the southern army, I still answer to the commands of Krateros and I have not been officially recognised as a Strategos. So what pay do I get Maion?

[Maion Maroneios]

That, you will have to ask your superiors. You can apply for the rank of Strategos, or somehting you wish to do (like attacking the Koinon).

Maion

[Iskander 3.1]

Ok, my SOT has been updated. PLEASE READ IT BEFORE LAYING A FINGER ON MY FLEET.

[johnhughthom]

Ok, my SOT has been updated. PLEASE READ IT BEFORE LAYING A FINGER ON MY FLEET.

Huh, who could you possibly be talking to? :sweatdrop:

I promise not to lay a finger on your fleet. You didn't mention axes and torches now, did you?

[/Bean\]

That, you will have to ask your superiors. You can apply for the rank of Strategos, or somehting you wish to do (like attacking the Koinon).

Maion

SO I get nothing at the moment? Just to clarify...

[Hotseat_User]

Bean, maybe you can earn something by deploying Johns fleet with axes and torches. :clown:

You two make my day :yes: :smash:

btw. nobody who whants to do something with the save?

[The Celtic Viking]

Maion, Iskander's rank (Archon... stolou... leader of the Royal Fleet :sweatdrop:) isn't in the rules. Did you forget it?

[Maion Maroneios]

Neither is Archikataskopos or Archiproxenos. Just consider them valid till I find some time to add them :tongue:

Maion

[Iskander 3.1]

I'll make some axes and torches out of the remains of my fleet and tear apart your estate! :horn:

[Hotseat_User]

ehhh?!? why the hell Krateros has some 1500bucks on his accounts? is he preculating the money for Alexandros or?!? :furious3:

:clown:

[johnhughthom]

ehhh?!? why the hell Krateros has some 1500bucks on his accounts? is he preculating the money for Alexandros or?!? :furious3:

:clown:

Nah, thats the money I got from selling the fleet..... :quiet::eyebrows:




Actually a typo, supposed to be 500.

[The Celtic Viking]

Everyone, you have yourself put down as a Demarchos in your SOT, which is incorrect. For anyone to get it, I must first suggest it to the Synedrion, which then has to agree with it.

Mini, you've included a build queue in your SOT, when you don't control the building (nor the recruitment) queue of Pella. As it is right now, I (and to the extent that I allow him to, John) am the only one who decides that. As a little hint, this may change come next session, especially if someone actually notifies IC his interest in governing a settlement.

By the way, Maion, should I include the sea trade and mine income (if any) in my SOT?

[johnhughthom]

I have just assumed I'm governor of Korinthos, is this the case TCV?
What exactly is the purpose of our incomes Maion? Is it simply for bragging rights, or have you plans for utilizing it further down the line? Do we all have to specify heirs for when our characters die for passing money on, or will it all disappear? Into the Basileus pocket.

[Iskander 3.1]

Probably for later on if there's a civil war.

[Maion Maroneios]

By the way, Maion, should I include the sea trade and mine income (if any) in my SOT?
You could do that.


I have just assumed I'm governor of Korinthos, is this the case TCV?
What exactly is the purpose of our incomes Maion? Is it simply for bragging rights, or have you plans for utilizing it further down the line? Do we all have to specify heirs for when our characters die for passing money on, or will it all disappear? Into the Basileus pocket.
Loans, later a sicil war, maintaining an army of your own etc.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Its good having incomes...means some chracters will be more important than others because those with large ambitions may not have much money, and there may be some very rich but ultimately weak characters

[johnhughthom]

I noticed the change in heir TCV mentioned in his save report before, I thought Maion had done that as it seems more sensible for the Basileus' son to be heir so I didn't mention it. I guess we should have debated the heir in the Synedrion session. Oh well, we can do it next time. I don't mind being heir again, now where's that hemlock...

[The Celtic Viking]

I have just assumed I'm governor of Korinthos, is this the case TCV?

Well... no - currently there are no governors. However, since I haven't specified anything to be done and given you the choice, you're technically doing what you would have done as one anyway.

As for the heir, I decide that myself with no need to consult anyone about it. There was no need to take it up.

Edit: By the way, was that "it goes into the Basileus' pocket" an answer to what happens with the money? Or was that a guess?

[johnhughthom]

Edit: By the way, was that "it goes into the Basileus' pocket" an answer to what happens with the money? Or was that a guess?

Twas a joke, not a funny one, but a joke nonetheless.
As for my comments on the heir, it came about from a confused reading of the rules, to be honest I'm still not sure what they say. It seems when the Basileus dies there is to be a vote on the new Basileus, which of course doesn't work with the RTW engine. Of course the fact it's nearly 2am may just mean I'm getting confused about something simple...

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, the way I understand it after taking another look at the rules...

The default person for being the Kleronomos Basileus is the eldest son. The Basileus can change that at any time he pleases. I believe then that Maion did indeed change it for this reason, and my charge of it being "illegal" were thus incorrect. However, Krateros is now the legal heir. If I need to proclaim that in another thread (than the save games one), I will do so.

In any case, when Antigonos dies, the Kleronomos Basileios (currently that's your character, Krateros) will automatically be presented as a candidate to be the next Basileus. If anyone else wish to run for it, they can announce it publicly, and the Synedrion will then hold a vote. If tied, a new vote will be held. If it ties again, the last king's favourite - the KB - is elected.

What the Kleronomos Basileios rank seem to do, is simply give you a royal army of your own to command, make you an automatic candidate for the Basileus' successor and give you a slight benefit if someone else challenges that.

What I don't understand is how this is going to be handled in-game. If Antigonos dies now, Krateros will automatically be made the new Basileus immediately. If, say, Alkyoneus then challenges Krateros for it and he wins the vote, how will he be made the Basileus in-game? Is there a cheat that can change the current faction leader without killing him?

[everyone]

Everyone, you have yourself put down as a Demarchos in your SOT, which is incorrect. For anyone to get it, I must first suggest it to the Synedrion, which then has to agree with it.

oh I had assumed that Kalos was, since on the registration thread, he was listed as "Position: Governor of Demetrias" so I had assumed that he's a demarchos. I'll just edit out that line in my SOT.

[Maion Maroneios]

TCV, I think I've already included this in the rules. If, say, someone else except the set FH is elected as a Basileus, I will take the savegame just before the end of the turn, change the FH, and kill the FL through a console command.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Pyrrhus left without a fight? What do we do?

[Maion Maroneios]

Be patient. I'm sure TCV will figure something out.

Maion

[The Celtic Viking]

I would say that with Pyrrhos outside of our lands, the first part of Edict E1.2 is rendered null and void, and we should continue with the second part: propose a peace treaty with him. If that succeeds, it seems only prudent if I turn back towards Athens again. Though I will probably wait until next spring to do that then, and perhaps camp on the borders or somewhere between Thessalia and Makedonia in case barbarians will come from the north or whatever. (I know they won't, but Atigonos don't. :beam:)

Now, where's that diplomat when you need him...

Edit: Ah, no one's playing the diplomat. Oh well, john, could you do that when you take the save?

[/Bean\]

How do we roleplay why he turned around. Bit of an anti-climax

[johnhughthom]

How do we roleplay why he turned around. Bit of an anti-climax

It's Pyrrhos, changing his mind and going off to do something else is hardly a huge shock.:laugh4:



Ah, no one's playing the diplomat. Oh well, john, could you do that when you take the save?

Should I use force diplomacy to do so? Doesn't seem right to use it without having at least given them a bloody nose first...

[The Celtic Viking]

Bloody hell, I wrote what john wrote as an answer, but I forgot to press "submit". Gah!

Anyway, use force diplomacy if you want to, but you shouldn't need to. That it may not feel right is one thing, but neither seem to want war, so it doesn't really seem wrong to me either.

[Iskander 3.1]

I say no to Force Diplomacy right now. Offer peace and see what the computer says. Now if we had just kicked their butts, then it would be realistic to force peace on them.

[mini]

We can always pretend to think phyrrus turned west because of something the romans were doing.
Phyrrus may wanted to stay closer to the adriatic, in case he needed to cross it to protect tarentum :)

As our intelligence network is still smallish, we can make numerous wild assumptions, but the above is the one i'll be making.

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, Pyrrhos had a reputation of doing half-done business. Megale Hellas, Sikelia, you name it. Pella could have just been another half-finished business of his.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Do you want to use move_character to move Pyrrhus across to Taras?

[mini]

BTW

I posted something in the agora.
I just wanted to make sure it's the right thread..

The synedrion thread is only for debates and discussions when the synedrion is meeting on the basileus' command, right?
Everything else IC, should be in the agora?

[/Bean\]

Thats how I understand it. Problem is other people can't interact with discussions within letters...

[mini]

That's why it says: a PUBLIC letter :p

Which means it's content is made public.

[Maion Maroneios]

Do you want to use move_character to move Pyrrhus across to Taras?
Do I sense an Event in the making?

Maion

[mini]

Do we answer questions with questions?

[Maion Maroneios]

I'm a Socratean :beam:

Maion

[mini]

I think we shouldn't meddle with other factions for now, and concentrate on our own faction for now.

We got troubles enough without creating events

[/Bean\]

No we don't...we have barely started. And it hardly worth an event. We don't make events whenever we arent in trouble so that there is space to accomodate the events...that ruins the point of them.

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow, cool off. I was just stating an idea, you're the ones who decide what happens ultimately. I wouldn't teleport Pyrrhos anywhere, if it was for me :yes:

Maion

[/Bean\]

I always teleport some Epirite forces to Italia at the beggining. Otherwise Taras falls too quickly and Eperios becomes too powerful in Greece.

[The Celtic Viking]

Didn't end turn as I wasn't sure if TCV wanted to move, perhaps the Akontista in Demetrias could be given to Alexandros?

Err, no, I won't do it myself, but now that you've reminded me, please move Antigonos and his army so that he's at the border (but still on friendly ground) in Thessalia towards Athens, and build a fort for him there.

Thanks!

[Maion Maroneios]

Guys, please compress your savegame files and then upload them. Johnhugthom, your savefiles don't work. Do what I have specified in my first post please. Also, I would appreciate it if people only posted savegames, not reply to humourous statements. I don't want to start editing/deleting posts, I believe we you are smart enough to uphold the rules.

EDIT: OK, never mind I didn't realize I'm so stupid enough not to see they're already compressed :sweatdrop: Sorry for the whole scene, I guess I shouldn't type things before I drink my morning coffee.

As for the little "crisis" now. I have several possible solutions. Though I'm going to need some valid, playable savegames.
1) Loans from players to counter the economic crisis
2) Teleportation of Antigonos to counter the threat of the KH army besieging Korinthos

Obviously, Korinthos cannot fall. The polis is too important and the characters too few to risk loosing them.

Maion

[mini]

I object to teleportation measures to get us out of trouble.
We must contend with our problems without teleport cheats.


I'm fine with teleportation in normal circumstances, to get someone far away in one turn.
But not when it serves as an emergancy measure to bail us out of trouble.

The game won't present much challenge, so whenever it actually does challenge us we shouldn't cheat.

[HunGeneral]

I think solution 1 ergo loans should be done. Wether we should use teleport or not is another question - I'll leave that to the others to decide.

(sorry for hardly giving any lifesigns lately... uni is getting more and more cramped with work:smash:)

[Maion Maroneios]

I object to teleportation measures to get us out of trouble.
We must contend with our problems without teleport cheats.


I'm fine with teleportation in normal circumstances, to get someone far away in one turn.
But not when it serves as an emergancy measure to bail us out of trouble.

The game won't present much challenge, so whenever it actually does challenge us we shouldn't cheat.
Maybe you don't fully understand theimportance of keeping the 2 starting characters alive. Imagine your character being trapped inside Korinthos with the threat of being obliterated. What bwould you do? This PBM cannot sustain any charater casualties in the beginning. This won't be exactly cheating, rather than making sure the PBM can continue.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

takin' the save.

Save work ok for you?

[Hotseat_User]

ye, at least I didn't recongnize a problem.

[johnhughthom]

How difficult was it to fully cut off a city in these days? It would be ok for Krateros to be able to get the odd messenger out wouldn't it?

[JbG]

I'm assuming there were many gates in a city, and in the night it would be quite easy to slip out a couple of people, not very often mine you.

[Maion Maroneios]

Hotseat User, could you please specify what this "merchant" is to do? And possibly how I could implement that in-game?

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

ehhh ... just thought, that, in the state of emergency, Antipatros could pay some merchants in byzantion, maybe round 200mnai (from his founds) to get taken to athenai in time [ and that you move_char him to Piräus ]

[Maion Maroneios]

OK, consider that done. Gotten approval by the Basileus for that? Not that you need to go from Byzantion to Peiraieus, mind you. It would be much faster from Thessalonike.

Maion

[Iskander 3.1]

Sorry, I'll keep OC comments here.

@Bean, you have the best signature ever.

[/Bean\]

Does it beat your name?

[Iskander 3.1]

Of course. Bartix beats everything!

[Hotseat_User]

OK, consider that done. Gotten approval by the Basileus for that? Not that you need to go from Byzantion to Peiraieus, mind you. It would be much faster from Thessalonike.

Nah - a little roleplaying is fine here. Antipatros needs to take a ship. He wants to get to the Epirote coast fast - but currently stays around Byzantion. And I think merchants from Byzantion would go for Piräus over the Agais ( sp?)

Btw. from there, he can just take a second look at the KH-siege-army and then travel further north.

Ohhh, and I don't think the basileus wants to know, how his investigation service work. :smash: so I think Antipatros just need your help, in case it's, well not breaking some rules.

[Maion Maroneios]

Hmmm, so what exactly do you want me to do? Teleport Antipatros, collect intelligence and teleport back? I little bit of cheating for roleplaying reasons is fine, but I', afraid this goes a little too far.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

no. Just thought we could roleplay a merchant, who takes him along to attica from Byz. [for some mnai of his founds ofc. ] then, in the next round, he could first spy the KH-army and then "walk" further north to keep an eye on Phyrros movements. That's at least, what I would do. And well, I thought the personal income is for roleplay-sessions ingame.
I don't know, maybe some others could comment my thoughts, but if we roleplay some inernal conflicts later, why can't we roleplay some hidden missions from our spys/diplomats??? And some 200 mnai for the sailturn are quite much (at least for me) because someone could use them to get one unit of marksman/akonstati paid for one round. :sweatdrop:
but dunno. :inquisitive:

[Maion Maroneios]

OK, I'll teleport him shortly to Peiraieus. As for the sum, even 1 mnai should be ok I believe. This was quite a hefty sum, those days.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

1 mnai should be ok I believe. This was quite a hefty some, those days.

hehe, thanks for the advice, althrough I'm another history student, I don't focus on the classical period. EB is enough. :clown:

[Il_Duce]

Hello everybody! I was in one of these not too long ago... ended up moving, losing internet access for a while, and since I was in transition with characters I soon lost interest.

Would love to join up again. Are there any family members available or close to coming of age?

[Hotseat_User]

ehhh actually no. we're just leaving the year 272bc in time, so we have to make some progress to get new chars in. but for the start, you can 'create' a member of the synedron and help our young kingdom to survive. But wait for our TVS' master Maion, to roger this (but I'm pretty shure you can join us) :sweatdrop:

anyway, hello! :beam::beam:

[Il_Duce]

I've always loved Makadonia...

Can I ask a quick question? I haven't really read into this much, but how is one chief spy?:inquisitive:

[johnhughthom]

He is in control of the spies in the game. I think it's a good idea, the other EB PBMs don't seem to let you do it, as it gives more people a shot at having a character. We also have someone in charge of the ambassador and a naval commander (just don't touch his boats, he's a bit paranoid :dizzy2:).

[Il_Duce]

That's actually a cool idea. Very unique, adds a whole new element to both the game and RPing.

It'd be cool to model this after WotB but have some unique features as well (and it seems you guys are doing a great job of that so far!).

If you control a player who does not fight battles, can you take control of a general as well?

Regardless, I'm going to install all my crap onto my new laptop (R:TW on all high baby!), then install EB and then I'll scout everything out

[Hotseat_User]

(just don't touch his boats, he's a bit paranoid :dizzy2:)

:clown:

and neither my spys!!! :smash: just kiddin' :laugh4:

well, actually I hope that some can get in control of 'some' generals later ... but we will see how things work out

[Il_Duce]

Cool, cool. Also Hotseat, Antipatros looks a bit weathered for a 20 year old :p

[Hotseat_User]

hehe, yes he should get some new hairstyle and this beard.... but he is just searching for his ways through history :juggle2: as you may notice if you keep an eye on his adventures. later, he can do serious things like going for a new cut. :-D :2thumbsup:

[/Bean\]

Il_Duce returns!

[Maion Maroneios]

Howdy, Il Duce! You can check the Subscription Thread for the Rules, there you can see the game mechanics. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Also, and this is for everyone to hear, I'm back to my home after Easter vacations, and I don't have any connection at home yet. So don't expect me to be frequenting the forums as much as I did during the holidays :sweatdrop: At least until I get Internet connection at home, that is.

Maion

[/Bean\]

When are we ending the session/turn TCV?

[The Celtic Viking]

We must first vote on the edicts, and I don't think anyone else than Maion can create that thread (he hasn't told me anything about it anyway), so we'll have to wait for him.

[/Bean\]

But I thought he was away for a week or more...I highly doubt he would mind

[Il_Duce]

We must first vote on the edicts, and I don't think anyone else than Maion can create that thread (he hasn't told me anything about it anyway), so we'll have to wait for him.

If that's the case then there won't even be another family member for over a month.

The problem with Macedonia? It's so small. There's no way to get more than a handful of players into the game for a while and everybody else simply looses interest.

[/Bean\]

But being a member of the Synedrion is just the same as being a character, just the former cant make moves, of which are basically small are unimportant anyway. Its a roleplay game. If people lose interest because they don't have a moveable character their in the wrong game.

[Il_Duce]

So we should play as 4 year olds then?

[/Bean\]

What are you on about?

[Il_Duce]

What are you on about?

The only other characters available are 4 years old

[mini]

So we should play as 4 year olds then?

No, you must create an imaginative character of your own, which you can use to argue in the synedrion, and propose / vote on edicts and stuff.

Only a few people can roleplay an ingame character.
Until more FM are available, the rest should roleplay their own imaginative characters.

They can participate in the game at large. Except for making movements or play an occassional battle.

[/Bean\]

What did I just say, Il Duce? Its not about the moveable characters, its about roleplaying. I said if all people want are moveable characters then they should just play a single player campaign; theres plenty moveable characters for them in there.

[Hotseat_User]

ye Il Duce, I think you've followed the synedron and there's only this shadow arguing all the time. My char is far away and if you noticed, it's not my chars opinions who were presented.
- Just roleplay what you think! If you mind to take this 4year old - wait for Maion to get the char offically. Or just create an imaginary person, who takes place in the synedron. Maybe the 4years old' teacher or godfather?

[Hotseat_User]

:smash::smash::smash: progress! gaahhh - I need some diversion from my history-studies :oops:

[/Bean\]

I would like to stop writing this ClasCivs essay for a while...

[Iskander 3.1]

Excellent SOT, Mr. Bean. You never cease to amaze.

[/Bean\]

Thanks. It will never stop growing...I'll find more pointless information to put in there all the time!

[Maion Maroneios]

Guys, just wanted to remind you to update your fortunes. Just multiply your income by 3 (number of turns passed so far), because there will be some loaning soon :evilgrin:

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

uhhm, sry but I actually count my mnai-income per season, so in 1st winter I got 4x ???? :inquisitive:

But Ok, I'll change to three times - besides I'm confused why it's only 3x....