EB Online Tournement Battle Report Thread [Archive]

antisocialmunky

07-01-2009, 13:54

Welcome to the Europa Barbarorum Online Tournement Battle Report Thread. Please keep this to only the posting and discussion of replays and tallying of results. Discussion about rules and other stuff should be carried out in here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118635).

To look at the rules or sign up please go here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118635) as well.

The rooms are:
EBOT_0
EBOT_1
EBOT_2
EBOT_3
EBOT_4

Passwords are all EB.

PLEASE JUST SELECT 3 ROOM RANDOMLY TO JOIN. MATHMEMATICALLY THIS WILL RESULT IN EVERYONE BEING ABLE TO PLAY EACH OTHER

Romani: 23/27
Agrippa 6-7 = -1
ACS 10-6 = 4
Mithick666 2-2 = 0
spiritusdilutus 5-11 = -6
Lestat 0-1 = -1

Aedui: 6/1
NeoSpartan 6-1 = 5

Saka: 7/4
Antisocialmunky 7-4 = 3

Carthage: 7/12
darius_d 2-5 = -3
Jebivjetar 2-1 = 1
m0r1d1n 3-6 = -3

Arche Seleukia: 22/10
French-Legionaire 1-3 = -2
Fluvius Camillus 6-0 = 6
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3 = -1
JinandJuice 13-4 = 9

Pontos: 13/5
tsidneku 13-5 = 8
Apázlinemjó 0/0

Makedonia: 2/1
Maion 0/0
Alexander 0/0
Antigonos 1/0
Sir Karati 1/1

Getai: 0/1
Maris: 0-1 = -1
mountaingoat 0/0

KH: 2/20
Alsatia 0-13 = -13
"Hiero" 2-7= -5

Sweboz: 0/0
Phalanx300 0/0

Hayasdan: 3/3
Vartan 3-3 = 0

Saba 4/6
Parallel_Pain 4-6 = -2

Casse 11/10
Gabeed 11-10 = 1

Averni 0/0
The Celtric Viking 0/0

Good luck and have fun. This runs to August 1st :)

EDIT: I will eventually compile all the replays up here like: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=113629&highlight=tournement <- If anyone wants to see some epic games(and a 40K Macedon of DEATH) go here.

tsidneku

07-01-2009, 17:12

I bring you two matches today! :yes: Links to the replays are in the titles, in case people don't notice.

Game #1: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13949832/Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

This was a pretty epic battle. Despite our starting points, we arranged it so that we could meet at the top of the hill for a relatively level ground battle. Flavius' archers/slingers tore through half of one of my heavy cavalry before I realized it before the engagement. Pontos won the battle after its horse archers slung around the rear to bring down the Makedonian aux troops and cavalry.

Game #2: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13950167/2Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

We chose Grass Flatlands this time so it would be completely level. Neither of us minded that there was no flora, we were both Hellenic based factions so surprise didn't matter as much. I busted out the Galatikoi Tindanotai this round. I was surprised to find that Flavius only fielded 6 phalangite units, it was backed with 4 slinger units to try to counter my cavalry. A double-sided flank turned into a heated battle on all three fronts. Eventually, Pontos broke through the flanks and routed a good number of his troops. However, he seemed to have clobbered my phalangite line. I have no clue how that happened -- any commentary/explanation is greatly appreciated. I was worried that I had blundered and lost this one when I realized my phalanx line was dead, but I managed to pull a victory out of the bag.

Maion Maroneios

07-01-2009, 19:15

_Agrippa_

07-01-2009, 20:18

flavius he must have the tests to accuse a user to have used the upgrade on weapon and armor

Maion Maroneios

07-01-2009, 20:22

flavius she must have the tests to accuse a user to have used the upgrade on weapon and armor
There is no "she" in this Tournament, I can assure you of that.

Maion

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-01-2009, 21:28

This is the first battle I fought with the new rules and, as I expected, my army was mauled very, very badly. I lost more than double the men I was able to kill. With the fewer men, my cavalry actually lost the fight on my left and the superiority of numbers on the side of my enemy made sure I was promptly surrounded. Also, the bad quality of my phalanxes made sure they routed quickly upon being surrounded. Not to mention the riddiculous +1 chevron that my enemy (ACS) used that gave them *even* more morale and attack. As if the very high morale of the Romans isn't enough to begin with. And the irony was ACS told me it was a "nice" and "good" game. Yeah right.

As such, I ask you to consider raising the cap to 40,000 again and abolishing the +1 chevron rule. I am ready to present you with even more evidence for these rules being riddiculous enough for us Hellen-players.
http://www.filefront.com/13949992/undefined

There's actually another matter. I, due to these restrictions, was unable to field good enough infantry to match my enemy instead having to field skirmishers. My Kretikoi and Akontistai were no match for any of ACS's infantry. There should be restrictions in the ammased infantry, forcing players to actually field some skirmishers instead of purely infantry and - this goes for the Romans - those riddiculous numbers of Extraordinarii that ate my cavalry.

I have played following the rules and you question me in this way.
I am very disapponted of your response.
I won because I played better than you.
Yes I use 3 units of extraordinarii, but did you think you are historically right by using 4 or 5 units of cavalry in makedonians army(like you do often).
So if I can t use my melee infantry, what can i use?
I haven t phalanx, many good heavy cavalry, i haven t horse archers, i haven t many spearmen.
So what can I do in your mind?
Nothing, I must leave you win...
Be right with me, romans have only melee infantry, without this I can t playing against any hellenic factions.
We must respect each other, I have never attacked you in this way.

This is the battle: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198511046/vsmaion.rpy

Maion Maroneios

07-01-2009, 21:34

I have played following the rules and you question me in this way.
I am very disapponted of your response.
I won because I played better than you.
Yes I use 3 units of extraordinarii, but did you think you are historically right by using 4 or 5 units of cavalry in makedonians army(like you do often).
So if I can t use my melee infantry, what can i use?
I haven t phalanx, many good heavy cavalry, i haven t horse archers, i haven t many spearmen.
So what can I do in your mind?
Nothing, I must leave you win...
Be right with me, romans have only melee infantry, without this I can t playing against any hellenic factions.
We must respect each other, I have never attacked you in this way.
First of all, I never attacked you. Even a rookie would win this battle against me. This is intened to proove ASM that the rules need to be re-checked. You're a good fellow, I've told you that before. Nothing against you.

I've never used 5 units of cavalry. I always use 4 units of them, since they are the only thing that can give me a victory over armies like the one you fielded.

Also, I never said you shouldn't field only Extraordinarii. I said I couldn't counter them because I didn't have the additional Hetairoi unit that gave me the opportunity of winning cavalry battles. I was doomed to fail in this one, especially since you had so much more infantry to protect your cavalry with.

The Romans didn't only use infantry. They had many Socii in their armies IIRC, and this doesn't only count the Extraordinarii. You used absolutely no skirmishers, which gave me a clear disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that you seem to neglect, mainly the +1 chevron that gave your units iron discipline (if the Romans don't have enough of it to begin with) and other bonuses as well. I was in a clear disadvantage and I knew it all along, I just wanted to proove ASM the rules have to be re-checked.

ASM, give me back my mnai! :wall:

Maion

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-01-2009, 21:49

I tell you this battle didn t count for tournament, it was only friendly match.
But you give me this response?
Take a look of those you write... isn t it really an attak?

I m sorry to talking like now, i want play many battle against very good opponent like you...

I respect you and other.
But you can t talking in this way.

Maion Maroneios

07-01-2009, 21:52

I know it was a friendly match, I don't take any battles (wether Tournament ones or not) too seriously. Also, sorry if it sounded offensively, because honestly it wasn't intended to be so. I just want to show ASM what I had ranted about in several posts and he simly dismissed everything.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, I want to play more battles against you to have some concrete cases that support my claims :charge:

Maion

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 00:24

mountaingoat

07-02-2009, 03:38

Good luck and have fun. This runs to July 1st :)

i thought it started on 1st?

vartan

07-02-2009, 04:16

i thought it started on 1st?

Runs all through the month of July 2009.

Maion Maroneios

07-02-2009, 11:00

Placemarker post. - Win/Losses updated

@Maion - Yeah you were pretty doomed with that army - you didn't have a dominant cavalry arm against Rome or atleast you didn't use it. You're right about that. You also had the misfortune to fight ACS who is fairly good with infantry. Plus he picked the no-missile rome army up from me so you can thank me for that, buddy. I think its a little too early to tell. I'm going to wait for a a few more Hellenic replays before I open this issue up again. But the thing is that its hard to nerf Rome with money on both sides. If you don't give Rome chevrons, then it will always pick elephants... :-\

Also I disagree with the assertion that the Greeks can't field equally large infnatry armies. Maks are a little disadvantaged since they don't have the hordes of Asia with them or the hordes of Illyrians that their neighbor has though. Its something to consider since Maks are very middle-high range faction.
I believe you also failed to read this was a friendly match? You seem have counted this outrageous victory as valid for the Tournament. Do you want more proof that the Romans will be able to beat me over and over again with those rules? Fine. But if you don't listen and bring the cap back as well as abolish the +1 chevron rule of at least the Romans, I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Tournament because it takes all the fun away.

Take a look at the battle I fought with ACS, the last one. I won onoly because he didn't use his massive remaining troops (in comparison to my tiny remaining infantry force) to counter my exhausted cavalry. If he did, he would have won. And guess what? No damn chevrons. If he had them, I'd have gotten mauled 100%.

Also, why in the name of God do the Romans have to spend every single penny they got left?

Maion

Jebivjetar

07-02-2009, 11:27

Yeah, i*ve been watching this battle between Maion and ACS for about 5 minutes and than i quit because it was clear from the start what will happen there. I totally agree with Maion: some rules must be changed: with these rules now you have weak and crippled Makedonia and, yes, this kind of battles are not a) fun b) challenging (because Romans by default have answer for any Makedonian action).

And, ACS, just to avoid any misunderstanding: im blaming the rules and just the rules.

Flavius_Belisarius

07-02-2009, 13:01

After the two great battles i had with tsidenku we played two more. One of that i lost again, but i dont have the replay. Pls post it tsidenku :)
But i have the replay of the last one, which was my first i won

http://www.speedyshare.com/906761542.html

I was Macedonia like always and he pontus. This time i decided to put my general in a reformate Pezhetairoi because in my opinion the macedon heavy cavalry isnt their price worth, maybe im just too noobish, but im quite sure that the hetairoi and the Hippeis Thessalonkia are way to expensvive. With the phalanx advantage i won the phalanx fight very fast, and instead of using expensive cavalry i spent money on hoplitais to defend the back of my phalanx. He permantly shot with his cretan archers in the back of my phalanx and my hoplits which was very leathly. Great game again! Im very glad that i won at least one time. :)

Edit.: Im quite new here but could it be that the roman infantery is way to cheap? Even the levied units of macedonia are more expensive than principes which are quite strong. And the extraordinarii cavalry seems to be equal strong as the macedonian hetairoi altough the hehtairoi are much more expensive.

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 13:52

I believe you also failed to read this was a friendly match? You seem have counted this outrageous victory as valid for the Tournament. Do you want more proof that the Romans will be able to beat me over and over again with those rules? Fine. But if you don't listen and bring the cap back as well as abolish the +1 chevron rule of at least the Romans, I'm afraid I'll have to leave the Tournament because it takes all the fun away.

Take a look at the battle I fought with ACS, the last one. I won onoly because he didn't use his massive remaining troops (in comparison to my tiny remaining infantry force) to counter my exhausted cavalry. If he did, he would have won. And guess what? No damn chevrons. If he had them, I'd have gotten mauled 100%.

Also, why in the name of God do the Romans have to spend every single penny they got left?

Maion

<annoyed>Well since NEITHER OF YOU made it obvious that it was a friendly match until 2 posts below the replay I initially added the game. But then I just forgot to take away the win while getting rid of the loss so there. MAKE IT OBVIOUS ON THE FUTURE PEOPLE like putting 'test match' as a title or something...</annoyed>

Everyone else gets to spend all their money so why are the Romans not allowed to? Bescause of their discounts? If you remove the ability to chevron that's not going to fix the problem. What you're going to see are weird Roman armies fileld with pedites, extraordinarri/campanians, and elephants, 5 phalanx, etc. The Romans will spend their money on other crap if they can't spend it on slightly pimped out legionaires for around 250+mnai each. If you didn't notice, you did alot of damage to them on your right flank in game #1 for practically the same price as those legionaires with Celtohellenic hoplites and Thracian skirmishers.

I'll do some tests with the Maks closer to the weekend. I might move the money back to 40K.

I do admit that I did underestimate the Maks being as ridiculously high end as they are. NONE of the other hellenistic factions are like that. They all have a cheap levy option. It doesn't help that they have a levy phalanx 150 mnai more than most of other.

<annoyed>It would have helped more if instead of just point out and complaining about the problem, you played a game like this before the tournement started like you said you would and like I told you that you should to prove your point. You didn't have to wait until I actually started so I had to change the rules after its started. I can't do all the testing for this tounement! AND SOME HELP ANYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN APPRECIATED. I'VE HAD TO DO ALL THE TESTING AND SERIOUSLY I CANNOT. I CANNOT. I CANNOT.</annoyed>

I'm tired of changing this stuff. I'm not going to get rid of the 1 chevron - that is not the problem, more than likely, it'll be a 12 limit of heavy infantry for ALL factions and a limit of 8 limit on HI for steppe army compositions. If anyone wants to test this against the Romans, PLEASE DO SO SINCE I WON'T UNTIL THE WEEKEND!!!! There are 5 Romans in the tounement and 7 hellenics in the tounement. If only 2 or three of you played 1 or 2 battles, it would be enough. DO IT.

If you can't beat a heavy infantry limitted Roman chevrons or not with a full 5 cavalry, 6 phalanx, 6 infantry, 3 missile army...

Flavius_Belisarius

07-02-2009, 14:00

Why dont we make the heavy infantery of rome a bit more expensive for online playing. Its not hard to change some values in the export descr unit file.

Maion Maroneios

07-02-2009, 14:20

OK, since I see no motivation and willingness of changing the rules (nor any reasonable asnwer as to why the Romans have to spend all their money per se), I'm afraid I will have to quit the Tournament. I truly believed it would be a fun experience, my bad it seems I was wrong. Good luck to the rest of the players.

Oh, and this decision is neither irrational nor hasty. I have pondered with the idea of quiting for quite some time now. I reached the conclusion that I would either continue blaming you (ASM) for things you aren't responsible for and press you to change rules you're not even going to abolish and keep getting my arse kicked (thus wasting my time fighting battles you're not going to check anyway), or just leave the Tournament and have a clear head and stop bothering with trying to prove something that some people (not specifically you, ASM) are too stubborn to take in mind.

Maion

mountaingoat

07-02-2009, 14:24

well i just had 3 battles with kniva , though he was not playing as AS in any of the 3 battles .. still gg , first time i have had to slay the might beasts online :2thumbsup:

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 14:26

Well, good riddence. You have shown no willingness to help ot accept anything other than what you think is right. All you've done is complained. When I asked you to help, I get nothing. A magical silence that's followed up with more complaining later on. I have tried to be accomodating to everyone and willing to change the rules. What do you think these tournements just happen? That rules can be easy to come up with and balance is something that magically happens? I've put in alot of work to try and find a good balance and I WISH that someone else would have the initiative to find problems and show them. But they still have shown willingness to help - you have done nothing but complained validly perhaps but with no proof or willingness to show me.

IF SOMEONE, ANYONE posted a replay of Macedonia getting so disadvantaged AS that, I would have been more inclined to listen to you, you know? And I am. I'm going to go ahead with the Heavy Infantry limitations later this week. If anyone cares to post the replays of battles using a 12 Heavy Infantry(infantry with out fast moving) please do so.

However, I can't really say I'm happy that you're leaving. It would have been nice to have a good Mak player around.

Maion Maroneios

07-02-2009, 14:32

Well, goto hell Maion. You have shown no willingness to help ot accept anything other than what you think is right. All you've done is complained. When I asked you to help, I get nothing. A magical silence that's followed up with more complaining later on. I have tried to be accomodating to everyone and willing to change the rules. What do you think these tournements just happen? That rules can be easy to come up with and balance is something that magically happens? IF SOMEONE, ANYONE posted a replay of Macedonia getting so disadvantaged AS that, I would have been more incliend to listen to you, you know?

No one cares that you're leaving so don't make a big deal about it.
Thanks for that first thing you said, ASM. That adds up nicely of what idea I have of you in my book. And I didn't want to make a big deal of it, sorry if it sounded as such. I never personally meant anything against you, so again sorry if this sounded as such. As for others posting replays of Makedonia, let's just say that nobody seems to have had any real problems so far or was too bored or unwilling to point out the weaknesses that are created by these rules.

To be honest, I believe you're doing a good job ASM. As good as you can, but for some reason you seem to have something against me and don't listen to me when I point out weaknesses in your rules. I've given you many alternatives and shared my ideas with you, but you were always too "smart" by pointing out I was either wrong or that your rules would work out so well.

Maion

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 14:38

Well, I asked for tests. No one gave me anything. I was just frustrated because you have no idea how much work I've put in when I said that. The reason why it seems I've had something against you is that you never gave me any proof. I tested my ideas, they seemed to work well. You said you would test and didn't show me anything. I'm jsut pissed off I overlooked something this big. I thought Maks performed better than this at this test point. I'll admit when I'm wrong but I'm not going to do so without proof. If you have a complaint. Make it valid by proving your point rather than just pointing it out ad nauseum - it makes it sound like you're just complaining and no one likes that one person that keeps pointing something out and then acts smug when the plan goes to hell. If you're really commited to improving something, then you would put forht more effort to demonstrate your idea. Prove it, that's all I've asked for.

Well let this parting be amicable. Thanks and good luck.

mountaingoat

07-02-2009, 14:42

https://img43.imageshack.us/img43/461/monkeyihn.jpg

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 15:03

A wonderful start huh?

Flavius_Belisarius

07-02-2009, 15:11

tsidneku

07-02-2009, 15:20

I played two more matches with Flavius_Belisarius last night.
He has posted the last match already, a couple posts above. He was victorious in that one. ASM, please update the scores accordingly when you have a chance. It ought to be 3-1 for me, and 1-3 for Flavius. Thanks.:smash:

Game #3: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13952931/3Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

This one was extraordinarily close. I snuck by with a victory with some effective cavalry charges to route his remaining forces. I think the victory was decided when his general fled from the battlefield.

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 15:33

Oh, that must have slipped in as I was posting the checkpoint. My bad. It is credited but tsidneku will have to post his win.(Edit, good - I'll update later today when I post the scoring checkpoint.

And yeah their heavy infantry is ridiculously cheap but time and time again, I have seen the Maks take 1 experience Roman armies from the last tournement at 40K just because 3 Companions and 2 Friends have a bad tendency of killing all the Roman Cav they can field and just having a field day with what's left of the infantry. It was quite even as the final tally showed(Maks won 1 more than the Romans :-p and I only beat Irish because of that ridiculous cav battle in the woods + phalanx exploit and I beat Gabheed because I managed to kill his general out of pure luck). I didn't realize that Maks had such a big problem fielding decent armies. I did some army composition testing last night after ACS posted that replay and yeah its a little tighter than for the other factions to say the least.

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea putting the money back at 40K for good. Everytime anyone's touched it, its turned out weird. I guess its best for the overall balance but not that great for the barb vs unbarb match up... except now they can do 2 vs 1 team games and such. Sigh oh well. I'll pop in for a few games tonight to see how the Romans can be limitted other than imposing Maion's artificial mnai limit that they can't use or something. Honestly I'm not sure. I'm not convinced that the massive ACS experienced infantry army is a Mak beating force at 40K though. Heck, I played an epic game against Maion using the the experienced legion and only won because a horde of Samnites trapped the cavalry in a corner. The Maks are quite powerful if they can get their horses.

@editted edu. - This would be ideal especially since the KH are mising 2 units but it would be quite messy telling people how to do the replacement with all the complaining etc...

vartan

07-02-2009, 17:26

So Jack why don't you go ahead and change back to 40k, remove the chevron, and limit heavy inf to 12 and 8 respectively?

Maion Maroneios

07-02-2009, 18:17

Heck, I played an epic game against Maion using the the experienced legion and only won because a horde of Samnites trapped the cavalry in a corner.
Remind me when that happened exactly? :beam:

Maion

antisocialmunky

07-02-2009, 18:49

I could have sworn it was you. Maybe it was someone else? I remember it was against on of the better Mak players that wasn't IrishHitman. But yeah, I formed a triangle with my legionaires that was surrounded by phalanxes on one side. I threw my Pedites into your Thracian Skirms and Hoplites. You then tried to out flank me. I let you and draw your cavalry behind my triangle. I then lobbed all my spearmen at you cavalry and we had a running cav battle into the corner. I then ran my cavalry the hell away behind your phalanx and started charging it.

Then your cav came back and we had a final cav fight. Your general routed and my men finally surrounded your forces for the win. It was very close and its fights like that why I think that a chevroned up Rome is balanced vs Macedon @ 40K. If the Companions had managed to get around my Samnites in force, it would have been game.

I'll change mnai back to 40K tonight :-\ I rather get a game as Maks in before I do at 40K against ACS(preferably) or someone else. They are pretty much invincible if they preserve their cavalry arm.:skull:

I'll post the replay tonight. I could have sworn it was you. I think we fought another time and you were complainng about Burebista always hiding his archers in the woods. That was like his one and only trick. :-p

tsidneku

07-02-2009, 19:22

I played a test game against ACS at 36k. We agreed that he wouldn't use any Chevron upgrades, but I was permitted to (with what little money I had, I upgraded one archer unit LOL). It was a close enough battle, I did lose but the possibility of a victory was not nigh impossible.

I'm not sure what will happen if you bump it up to 40k and keep the current unit restrictions. I think you will find a lot more Hellenic factions upgrading their phalangites from medium-tier ones to elites or just buying more expensive heavy cavalry (for those that couldn't afford it).

Maion Maroneios

07-02-2009, 19:28

darius_d

07-03-2009, 03:19

This is the first battle I fought with the new rules and, as I expected, my army was mauled very, very badly.
...
As such, I ask you to consider raising the cap to 40,000 again and abolishing the +1 chevron rule.

As you said - it was your first time game with 36K budget.
Instead of asking to change the rules now when the tournament has started, just try some more battles, improve your tactics and progress will be inevitable. See how Flavius Belisarius is doing with Makedonia.
:cool4:

Idea of coming back to 40K and abolishing chevrons it is actually come back to old balancing problems for romans and barbarians (besides it is unfair to all those who contributed their time to work with 36K budget over the last week).

If anything, I see more reason to force players to use light inf / auxilia units.
However, all results played so far in tournament should be respected.

darius_d

07-03-2009, 04:01

Back to topic:

I am very proud to announce my first win in the tournament.
I was playing Qartadastim against my nemesis Romani (Polybian) commanded by Agrippa.

this is the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?eijfgzvwy2y
Edited: new link

PS. This is not my first battle in the tournament - the first one played with Flavius Belisarius was interrupted by his connection problems and I should rather feel relief for that outcome :)

So, when Agrippa told me he took Polybian I knew I am in trouble, just recently I also was a victim of ACS's Romani Polybian army, and I expected from Agrippa the same deadly formation.
But what I finally saw on the battlefield was actually even worse.

Agrippa brought an army consisting of just princepes, and some triarii. Plus 2 elite cavalry units. No hastati. And no archers or other soft units. All densely packed in defensive style.
I was shocked to see that, so much that I simply had no idea for my battle plan.
My Carthage army consisted mainly of good Iberian infantry, some cheap archers and 2 solid cavalry units but since hastati were fully replaced by princepes I felt this battle was over even before it started.

That's why it took so long time before the armies clashed, because I initially was on the edge of leaving the battle, having doubts if army consisting of virtually just principes (no hastati, no auxilia) is ok.
Indeed, it is Agrippa who came with his army to mine. My troops made no move forward, because until that time I was desperately trying to figure out any reasonable tactics.

However, just before units engaged in fighting I managed to do some regroupments and finally as well as much surprisingly secured the outcome of the day.

I wanted to show some printscreens so I tried to upload them to albums on my account in this forum, but apparently this upload doesnt work. If someone can prove me wrong I have some spare baloons.:balloon2:

antisocialmunky

07-03-2009, 04:17

https://imageshack.us/

I wouldn't mind doing a screenshot prize at the end of this as well.

_Agrippa_

07-03-2009, 17:45

Hi to everybody, here is the battle between me and Maris..... , my legionaries have born less badly the wave of cavalry to the shoulders has been hard....but roma doesn't know obstacles:))

replay battle download : http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=6z1gkvnlxlb

antisocialmunky

07-03-2009, 19:50

Well, I played ACS's veteran Polybian Army with a 36K MAK-ATTACK army and here's the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f922cbd2235c36cc07258ee67c679e4ae04e75f6e8ebb871

It came down to the wire. Sheesh. I'm not convinced that the Maks are unplayable at 36K but they are rather tough. Its just very hard to find a good balance between their game winning cav arm and their infantry. I dunno, I'm not sure. Hopefully some of your guys can watch this and give some opinions on balancing the Maks.

Probably one of the toughest games I've ever played and wonderfully amazing to watch. GG ACS.

Flavius_Belisarius

07-03-2009, 20:27

Great and epic game ! Maybe mac isnt not unplayable at 36k but their at least tremendously hard to play.

athanaric

07-03-2009, 21:22

Regarding the Makedonia problem: I just watched the replay of Maion vs. Aulus (the one Maion uploaded). Here are my 2 cents:

- I'm reasonably impressed by ACS's skill and patience in infantry battles :2thumbsup:.

- While Maion used a well balanced force, Aulus' army was more of an oversized kill squad :laugh4:. Meaning too few light units, especially cavalry.

- Three units of either kind of extraordinarii is too much. Additionally, if one of the players can field three units of Equites Extraordinarii, I don't see why the opponent cannot use two units of Hetairoi.

- There is a unit cost problem, which I suspect lies at the bottom of the Makedonian players' problems:
Some factions just get some troops cheaper. For example, Pahlava gets cataphracts for a lower price than Hayasdan. AFAIK the SPQR has to pay less for decent heavy infantry than other factions.

- I'm strongly against using chevrons. It screws up the balance IMO.

Flavius_Belisarius

07-03-2009, 22:06

Dont look only at the state, there is a reason why cataphracts are cheaper for some factions. For example, the hellenich cataphracts have such a bad moral. The problem ist just because the roman infantery is so extreme cheap like you already said. A example, the leavy troops of the hellens are as expensive as the roman standard infantery in the polyiban era.

Hetairo are very expensive with 4600 money. To take more than one of them in a 36k game is possible but than you get a crappy infantery and the only chance to win the battle for you is the cavalry. ASM won against a roman player like you can watch with 2 Hetairo but it was extreme close altough he used his cavalry excellent.

athanaric

07-03-2009, 22:21

Dont look only at the state, there is a reason why cataphracts are cheaper for some factions. For example, the hellenich cataphracts have such a bad moral.

Pahlava and Hayasdan have one virtually identical unit: the Zrahakir Netadzik/Shivatîr-î Zrêhbârân (heavily armoured HA). Their stats are identical with the exception of range, which is slightly better with the Pahlavân guys. And yet those Parthians are actually cheaper than their Armenian counterparts.
With the Romans, it is even more evident: their strongest cavalry unit, the Equites Extraordinarii, costs more than comparable Hellenistic or Eastern cavalry. So, there are definitely factional differences not directly related to the quality of the units.

Fluvius Camillus

07-03-2009, 22:37

Hmm... Looks like I will have to get some free time to finally defeat you all in this tournament...:skull::skull:

~Fluvius

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-03-2009, 23:01

Since I played in multiplayer, I have never played a Battle like this (note the capital B).
It during a lot, and was a true masterpiece of strategy, thanks to ASM.
It is worthy to be watched until the last second.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198519044/furiuos.rpy

My mistake was to too expose my cavalry on the left side ...
thanks to this error I have lost my general too soon :furious3:

Also ASM has been shown to do the formation in a very intelligent manner.
Indeed, he has not put in the field any missile troops, and he take many levy hoplites to protect the phalanxes.
He take superior cavalry because hellenic medium cavalry is as good as my extraordinari.
But only his Hetairoi made the best work, they are still alive and have overwhelmed my last 3 infantry units.

Was very very fun, at the next ASM!
I think that I never have found anyone as strong as you in this game.:balloon2:

antisocialmunky

07-04-2009, 00:02

CHECKPOINT

It would have ended it sooner if I didn't resue my left flank. If I had let it die and instead defeat your left in detail along with those annoying cav remnants I wouldn't have had so many problems....

Great game nonetheless.

@Debate - Maks have trouble at 36K because their units cost more but are usually superior to the enemy's. It really is a quality vs quantity issue. They require alot of cash. I will paly a few more battles later to see if htey need rebalancing.

PS. FB is changing to AS so his wins/losses will be transfered there.

JinandJuice

07-04-2009, 00:11

Won a battle against Alsatia. Here's the upload.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ow2dywyweyn

tsidneku

07-04-2009, 05:59

CHECKPOINT

Flavius_Belisarius' record should be 1-3, I ought to be 3-1. Refer back a page for the upload.

I played two more matches with Flavius_Belisarius last night.
He has posted the last match already, a couple posts above. He was victorious in that one. ASM, please update the scores accordingly when you have a chance. It ought to be 3-1 for me, and 1-3 for Flavius. Thanks.:smash:

Game #3: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13952931/3Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

This one was extraordinarily close. I snuck by with a victory with some effective cavalry charges to route his remaining forces. I think the victory was decided when his general fled from the battlefield.

Flavius_Belisarius

07-04-2009, 11:50

Yep true, we played four battles, i won the last one, he won three.

antisocialmunky

07-04-2009, 13:22

Done :).

_Agrippa_

07-04-2009, 15:12

what a Win!!!! a big battle all to be seen wow..., me against Alsatia.....

replay download : http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=5v9yycfn6qd

Flavius_Belisarius

07-04-2009, 16:40

This was a battle between me (Arche Seleukia) against Agrippa (Romani).
http://www.speedyshare.com/881321519.html

At the begin the seleucids advanced to the roman army. The left cavalry arm of the selecuids (hetairoi and persian heavy cavalry) and the rigth one (Horse Archers) surround the romans at their left and rigth back. The horse archers of the hellens opend their fire on some principes, hastati and extraordinarii. The first line of the roman infantery charged into the phalangnits of the seleucids, while the seleucid heavy cavalry took down the most of the roman cavalry. Also the horse archers of the greeks took down in melee some roman heavy cavalry. After the romans had lost their most cavalry the seleucids continued doing hammer and anvil strikes on the roman back. During the battle the rigth wing of the roman infantery tried to sourround the seleucid left wing, but they were caugthed by some kelto hellinko auxillary troops and finaly defeated by seleucid heavy cavalry. After the fall of this roman troops his general died and the battle was so almost over.

gg to Agrippa, it was a great game

tsidneku

07-04-2009, 17:19

I've fought two tournament battles versus Alsatia. I'd say he needed to approach me with more hoplites on the flanks to prevent to counter my cavalry.

Here are the replays: both battles were victories for me.

Game #1: Alsatia versus tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13967143/undefined) - victory to tsidneku

Game #2: Alsatia versus tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13967167/undefined) - victory to tsidneku

Just defeated my first Romani in the tournament, Agrippa. He went very infantry heavy in his army.. no ranged mercenaries at all.

Game #1: Agrippa versus tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13968357/undefined) - victory to tsidneku

I played two games with ACS. One was a victory for me, the second was one for him.

Game #1: ACS vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13968831/undefined) - victory to tsidneku

Game #2: ACS vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13968837/undefined) - victory to ACS

antisocialmunky

07-04-2009, 23:34

You know I've just played a few Mac battles and I have to say that their army composition isn't horrible - it about where all the other hellenic factions are minus the hordes of AP the easterners get to deploy. Instead they get more defensive options. The only problem are the hordes of HI that Polybian Rome spits out. Not sure what to do. To be honest, its not completely game breakingly bad.

I'll tally the games in a few hours or so.

EDIT: Checkpoint. Please check your updated totals.

vartan

07-05-2009, 20:45

http://www.mediafire.com/?zx1mztmjg1m
(Game 1 vartan vs Mithick)

I lose against Mithick here.

http://www.mediafire.com/?kcuqmzqyezn (Game 2 vartan vs Mithick)

Here I win against him.

GG Michel,
Vartan

Parallel Pain

07-05-2009, 22:15

I always forget to save replay =(

So I guess other people will have to report. I think I lost 3 or 4 times. I remember loosing against ASM, tsidenku, and JinandJuice.

JinandJuice

07-05-2009, 22:56

got your back there pp, here's the replay.
http://www.mediafire.com/?yydnztkzydj

_Agrippa_

07-06-2009, 23:09

battle #2 Agrippa versus Alsatia

replay download :http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=dd92405821020b620dec85adfe0a530ae04e75f6e8ebb871 Victory of Agrippa

nice battle Alsatia :thumbsup:

antisocialmunky

07-07-2009, 00:00

CHECKPOINT

Victory Against Saba For Me :)
http://www.mediafire.com/?e0lnznml1zw

I consider the battle against darius_d a draw since he could have ran waway form me forever. GG btw.

(I've played like 4 games owning people as Macedon so that's why I only have 1 Baktria)

In case anyone cares, current factional rankings are:
Pontos: 7 - 2 = 5
Romani: 7 - 5 = 2
Baktria: 1 - 0 = 1
Carthage: 1 - 0 = 1
Hayasdan: 1 - 1 = 0
Vartan 1 - 1 = 0
Makedonia: 0 - 0 = 0
Sweboz: 0 - 0 = 0
Arche Seleukia: 2 - 3 = -1
Getai: 0 - 1 = -1
Saba 0 - 2 = -2
KH: 0 - 5 = -5

The Top 3 players are:
tsidneku 7 - 2 = 5
JinandJuice 2 - 0 = 2
Antisocialmunky AND darius_d 1 - 0 =1

Tsidneku and Pontos are running aware with the game lol.

JinandJuice

07-07-2009, 00:24

I had forgotten to upload this one.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ydit1tzjkzd
I won against Parallel Pain again.

BTW, how do we count the top 3? most wins or most kill/death ratio?

Parallel Pain

07-07-2009, 06:52

Saba got a win! :beam: :beam: :beam: :yes: :yes: :yes: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :smash: :smash: :smash:

Replay (hope it works, first time uploading)
http://www.filefront.com/13986451/Tourn-Alsatia.rpy//

Battle: Parallel Pain vs Alsatia

Alsatia forgot to bring ranged troops and a total commitment to avoiding a headlong engagement lost him the battle.

I think the fact that Saba got a win deserve to be in bold and underlined lol :laugh4:

_Agrippa_

07-07-2009, 20:54

battle #1 : Agrippa vs ParallelPain

victory of Agrippa

replay battle : http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=dd92405821020b620dec85adfe0a530ae04e75f6e8ebb871

nice battle ParallelPain :yes::yes:

darius_d

07-07-2009, 21:15

I consider the battle against darius_d a draw since he could have ran waway form me forever. GG btw.

Hello everybody.

Thanks ASM, you are a kind guy, but indeed that was a legit win for Baktria:
Baktria 1:0 Qarthadastim.

This was a 2nd full battle for Qarthadastim and so the first defeat for my heros.
Mighty baktrian hetairoi once more decided it all in the end.

What was unusual it was the lenght of the battle - it lasted really long. So how did that happen?

Baktria appeared with standard (not steppe) formation: line of levy phalanx was supported by 3 decent infantry and 2 elite brutal indian guild warriors, plus 4 scythian archers and finally by 5 cavalry units, including 2 units of famous baktrian hetairoi.

Qartadastim army was more or less prepared for that, sending in first line decent libyan heavy spearmen to keep the phalanx busy and the best iberian troops on wings to kill off baktrian supporting infantry and hopefully strong enough to repel expected cavalry charges. Additionally, punic and iberian cavalry was sent for their support. Finally some archers to counter opponent's archers. However not everything went according to the plan.

After some archers' volleys the real battle started: baktrian phalanx attacked my first line of heavy spearmen, so I concentrated my remaining infantry on my left wing (right baktrian wing) where hand combat started. Soon some phalanx units also went to hand-to-hand combat with my spearmen.

Both cavalries had some troubles to do clean and devastating charges, but eventually, after this violent beginning, when some dust dispersed, Qartadastim was left with a few infantry units and its cavalry lost, and Baktria with some reduced but still powerful cavalry squad and few phalanx units.

From this moment on tactical manouver games started - Cartaginians tried to tire off baktian infantry by marching (baktrians were exhausted and was vulnerable to get broken when assaulted) and attack the cavalry when they are alone.
Baktrians tried to engage in fight only with cavalry and infantry sent together - the situation which my infantry was trying to avoid. When my infantry was attacking the cavalry alone, they were escaping the engagement.
So thats' why my troops could walk around the map for a long time just followed by Baktrians and clashes were minor. Undoubtly, fun-killing situation but we both were too proud to admit unacceptable result of battle.

This is the replay but be warned that you do better to watch let's say "Gladiator" movie in that time - far more interesting.
http://www.mediafire.com/?32jmwymzjmh

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-07-2009, 23:12

battle 2: ACS vs Parallel Pain http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198535387/2touney.rpy

This is my battle against parallel pain, he is very good, but his faction give him no chance.

However GOOD GAME :2thumbsup:

JinandJuice

07-08-2009, 02:58

Won a battle against tsidneku.
http://www.mediafire.com/?oolujkyryro
EDIT: I just watched the replay, and I honestly have to say that that was one of the most spectacular battles I've played. tsidneku's maneuver abilities with his cavalry are truly impressive. We both concentrated on small portions of the battle and left out a lot of things we could have otherwise exploited with our infantry. We also had archers shooting our own cavalry as well as the enemy's during the cavalry face-off on tsidneku's right flank. I have to say that I honestly had no idea how I won the cavalry charge.

Also had the 3rd win against Parallel Pain the other day, before he decided that he was getting his bowels ripped apart :clown:.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ngezhond0ul

antisocialmunky

07-08-2009, 04:19

Not to rain on your parade but Ligurian untis are classified as Pre-Marian Italian units. I'm not going to do anything since they are fairly similar to the Auxillary Cavalry that they get later. Even if tsidneku complained I don't think it would have mattered in the end since he barrelled into those archers, got swamped etc.

vartan

07-08-2009, 05:01

...since he barrelled into those archers...

It's actually barrel roll. :book: Trust me, I looked it up! :2thumbsup:

JinandJuice

07-08-2009, 08:13

Ah, indeed I was gloating. It seems my emotions have gotten the better of me. I will edit my previous post to prevent any malicious feelings.

darius_d

07-08-2009, 22:25

And again the sun has shined for the mighty Carthaginians!
Actually, the Iberians made most of bloody job, but well.

The 3rd battle brought victory again over Romani (Polybians) - this time under legatus Spiritus Dilutus
This was a tough battle for Qarthadastim, and indeed the result could appear opposite.

this is the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jzezmtjh1md

The battle started calmly to become bloody violent in the end.
The armies slowly approached each other with Carthaginians preventively marching in wide formation to avoid excess losses from Kretikoi Toxotai.
Then all units made sure to threw their missiles and only after that all-out combat began.

While infantry fought fiercely both cavalries happened to appear on the backs of their opponent.
Punic and Iberian units made quite pathetic beginning before they started to threaten roman line, and equites romani managed to launch several charges in that time.
Some hardened iberians troops broke and this appeared as critical moment for the battle.

However, the rest of infantry did well on their side, equites romani were neutralized, and cavalry finally cleared their way for charges, and that way the victory was assured.

GG, Spirtus Dilutus.

Gabeed

07-09-2009, 01:52

I'm glad to see that multiplayer still thrives here (I was gone for a month)!

tsidneku

07-09-2009, 01:59

Gabeed! Quick, come back and smite these Romani into the ground! :smash:

antisocialmunky

07-09-2009, 02:12

You should play a factio nthath as no players right now.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ixdyozywgnt/BaktriaKH.rpy

BTW- Victory vs KH

Gabeed

07-09-2009, 15:58

So be it. Time for the Casse to intervene here (no one's playing them, right?). Are you all still playing 1.2, all fixes, no BI?

Edit: My Ptolies aren't taken yet, it seems.

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-09-2009, 16:10

This is my installation way: RTW+BI+BI1.6+alex+EB ; it work very well and i play without problem also with who has RTW 1.5.
This because i think that BI1.6 (like alex) update rome at 1.5.

Gabeed

07-09-2009, 16:16

This is my installation way: RTW+BI+BI1.6+alex+EB

Hmm, that's what I have except for the Alexander expansion. So do you use the EB for BI exe and the BI disc or do you pop a regular Rome CD in?

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-09-2009, 18:48

Hmm, that's what I have except for the Alexander expansion. So do you use the EB for BI exe and the BI disc or do you pop a regular Rome CD in?

no, use EB in rome.exe directory
alexander and BI is only for upgrade rome at 1.5 vesion... but it work also with 1.3+1.5 patch.

Fluvius Camillus

07-09-2009, 23:57

Greetings competitors!

I fougth four tournament battles this evening, against four different people.

As known, I play the mighty Arche Seleukeia!

Fluvius Camillus vs daruis_d
We agreed to fight type3 match, to come at each other.
It resulted in a victory for the Arche Seleukeia over the Qarthadasthim.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmutyq0w4md

Fluvius Camillus vs Agrippa
We agreed to fight a type3 match, where we attack each other.
It resulted in a victory for the Arche Seleukeia over the Romani.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?lnmzmhnyzge

Fluvius Camillus vs JinandJuice
I fought two battles vs JinandJuice, which were extremely hard for me, still I won both times. These two really are recommended to watch, epic battles in their fullest!

In battle one, I was to attack the Romani legions of JinandJuice. I barely won this fight.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?k1vmtjmzmfg

In the second battle, we switched, the Romani legions attacked me. After an incredibly hard fight, I won again!:beam:

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmemzdyzeht

Looking forward to more challenges!!!:skull:

In short:
Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - darius_d (Qarthadast) 1-0

Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - Agrippa (Romani) 1-0

Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - JinandJuice (Romani) 2-0

That was all..

~Fluvius

darius_d

07-10-2009, 01:11

This is truly a grim day for Qarthadastim, as two losses happened today:

First one against Romani (Imperial) by Jinand Juice,
The second against Hellens - mighty Arche Seleukeia led by Fluvius Camillus.

The battle against Romani is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ytzbtz2qnjz

JJ skillfully took full advantage of numerical superiority of his cavalry so his charges proved to be decisive.
My cavalry was out-manouvered too often, besides infantry on my wings it seems was set too wide to deal with cavalry attacks from the back.

The batte against AS is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?m2rtmzw2rwo

This one was quite humiliating defeat.
Qarthadastim - consequently faithful to traditional infantry warfare, avoiding phalanx style - faced this time phalanx-based army. What was impressive, AS fielded just 17 units but full of elites in every line: phalanx, supporting infantry, and cavalry (edit: except archers).

In this battle everything went wrong for Qarthadastim as much as possible. First, its formation totally messed up just before sending to fight, which prompted further problems.
Then, attack of iberian infantry on elitarian troops of right AS wing wasnt done well, some units were standing unused.
On opposite wing uncoordinated properly infantry soon was a prey for hetairoi and cataphracts.
Finally, cavalry was running around the map behind one cataphract unit and couldnt catch it, leaving infantry undefended.
Too many errors in one battle.

Congrats for JJ and Fluvius.

JinandJuice

07-10-2009, 03:39

Won a battle against ASM
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n5yozmmmmig

@Darius and Fluvius: great games! I really hope to play with you guys again sometime.

Fluvius Camillus

07-10-2009, 11:59

And Fluvius strikes again!

This time, the Arche Seleukeia defeated the Romani (ACS - Aulus Caecina Severus) in a fight.

This was a tournament battle where the Arche Seleukeia took the defensive position, the Romani attacked. The Romans well, but after a hard fight, the Seleukid Strategos took victory.

Arche Seleukeia (Fluvius Camillus) - Senatus Populusque Romanus (Aulus Caecina Severus 1-0

Replay can be found here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tymukyqytid

Looking forward to more challengers, as always...

~Fluvius

JinandJuice

07-10-2009, 23:54

Dang it ACS, I told you.

Fluvius Camillus

07-11-2009, 00:22

[...]

Arche Seleukia: 2/3
HunGeneral* 0/0
Fluvius Camillus 0/0
Kniva 0/0
Flavius_Belisarius 2/3

Pontos: 7/2
tsidneku 7/2
Apázlinemjó 0/0

[...]

I bring you two matches today! :yes: Links to the replays are in the titles, in case people don't notice.

Game #1: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13949832/Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

This was a pretty epic battle. Despite our starting points, we arranged it so that we could meet at the top of the hill for a relatively level ground battle. Flavius' archers/slingers tore through half of one of my heavy cavalry before I realized it before the engagement. Pontos won the battle after its horse archers slung around the rear to bring down the Makedonian aux troops and cavalry.

Game #2: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku (http://www.filefront.com/13950167/2Flav.VS.Tsid.07.01.rpy)

We chose Grass Flatlands this time so it would be completely level. Neither of us minded that there was no flora, we were both Hellenic based factions so surprise didn't matter as much. I busted out the Galatikoi Tindanotai this round. I was surprised to find that Flavius only fielded 6 phalangite units, it was backed with 4 slinger units to try to counter my cavalry. A double-sided flank turned into a heated battle on all three fronts. Eventually, Pontos broke through the flanks and routed a good number of his troops. However, he seemed to have clobbered my phalangite line. I have no clue how that happened -- any commentary/explanation is greatly appreciated. I was worried that I had blundered and lost this one when I realized my phalanx line was dead, but I managed to pull a victory out of the bag.

After the two great battles i had with tsidenku we played two more. One of that i lost again, but i dont have the replay. Pls post it tsidenku :)
But i have the replay of the last one, which was my first i won

http://www.speedyshare.com/906761542.html

I was Macedonia like always and he pontus. This time i decided to put my general in a reformate Pezhetairoi because in my opinion the macedon heavy cavalry isnt their price worth, maybe im just too noobish, but im quite sure that the hetairoi and the Hippeis Thessalonkia are way to expensvive. With the phalanx advantage i won the phalanx fight very fast, and instead of using expensive cavalry i spent money on hoplitais to defend the back of my phalanx. He permantly shot with his cretan archers in the back of my phalanx and my hoplits which was very leathly. Great game again! Im very glad that i won at least one time. :)

Edit.: Im quite new here but could it be that the roman infantery is way to cheap? Even the levied units of macedonia are more expensive than principes which are quite strong. And the extraordinarii cavalry seems to be equal strong as the macedonian hetairoi altough the hehtairoi are much more expensive.

I think there has been a severe misunderstanding regarding the AS scoreboard!

~Fluvius

BTW: JinandJuice, are you somehow plotting my downfall with your fellow romans?:inquisitive:

antisocialmunky

07-11-2009, 00:38

He switched. I guess I'm giving everyone one switch until the end of the next week.

BTW- I'm updating the scoreboard when this gets to page 4 or it turns Sunday.

JinandJuice

07-11-2009, 01:24

I told ACS to watch out for you, Flavius, while Vartan nagging for him to go Imperial. I told him to stop trolling and stay Camillian. I don't know who ACS listened to ultimately, but I knew the Romans had almost no chance of winning.

vartan

07-11-2009, 07:42

Romans ALWAYS have a chance of winning. And if ACS didn't go Camillian, I don't know what to say. He must have gotten Cav-ram-up-the-arse. Still, the Cav charges aren't as effective in the RTW engine as they would be IRL, so I guess this is a Clear Defeat for Rome!

JinandJuice

07-11-2009, 09:34

See, you're trolling again! XD

antisocialmunky

07-11-2009, 14:08

Cav charges aren't as effective in the RTW engine as they would be IRL, so I guess this is a Clear Defeat for Rome!

They are too effective in the engine.

vartan

07-11-2009, 17:44

See, you're trolling again! XD

Lol stfu Mark.

They are too effective in the engine.

And no, they don't rout units in the rear or flanks as quickly as they should. They should be able to rout enemy units, roll up the line, much quicker than the turtle-speed at which they do it now.

Phalanx300

07-11-2009, 17:50

CA thought the same and you'll end up with Vanilla cavalry charges where cavalry only wins the day. :whip:

vartan

07-11-2009, 18:06

The only thing that was realistic time-wise was the cavalry charges from rear in Vanilla. EB drops this down more than a few notches, for the sake of increasing battle time length. Worth it? I don't know.

Phalanx300

07-11-2009, 18:21

For the sake of realism, Vanilla was way to unrealistic with almost everything.

Battles were never over in minutes, wasn't weird for a battle to last an hour, or maybe thats just for Hoplite combat.

vartan

07-11-2009, 19:09

Hoplite combat didn't last for very long either according to what I've read. Point is, Cavalry doesn't rout enemy as fast as it would.

Phalanx300

07-11-2009, 20:04

Hoplite combat didn't last for very long either according to what I've read. Point is, Cavalry doesn't rout enemy as fast as it would.

There have been records of Hoplite combat taking hours. If anything it routs them too fast. :inquisitive:

vartan

07-11-2009, 20:45

Not as fast as it would on a true battlefield? =)

Maion Maroneios

07-12-2009, 00:19

There have been records of Hoplite combat taking hours. If anything it routs them too fast. :inquisitive:
Oh God...

Maion

Phalanx300

07-12-2009, 00:28

Oh God...

Maion

Doesn't exist...

antisocialmunky

07-12-2009, 00:33

Doesn't exist...

Neither do you, wrap your head around that.

CHECKPOINT. Keep the stupid stuff out of this thread.

Factions:
1)Arche Seleukia: 16-5 = 11
2)Pontos: 7-3 = 4
3)Baktria: 2-1 = 1
Sweboz: 0
Hayasdan: 1-1 = 0
Makedonia: 0
Romani: 7-8 = -1
Carthage: 2-3 = -1
Getai: 0-1 = -1
KH: 0-7 = -7
Saba: 1-5=-4

Individual

1)JinandJuice 8-2 = 6
2)Fluvius Camillus 6-0 = 6
3)tsidneku 7-3 = 4
Antisocialmunky 2-1 = 1
Maris: 0-1 = 1
Agrippa 4-4 = 0
ACS 2-2 = 0
Mithick666 1-1 = 0
Vartan 1-1 = 0
"Hiero" 0
Phalanx300 0
Lestat 0
Jebivjetar 0
Kniva 0
Apázlinemjó 0
Alexander: 0
mountaingoat 0
spiritusdilutus 0-1 = -1
darius_d 2-3 = -1
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3= -1
Parallel_Pain 1-5 = -4
Alsatia 0-7 = -7

So yeah, AS is winning overall and occupy first in faction and first and second in both categories.

Go play more games guys.

Also, I'm going to repeat and bold this: COUNT YOUR GAMES TO MAKE SURE MY LIST IS RIGHT

Phalanx300

07-12-2009, 00:34

Neither do you, wrap your head around that.

CHECKPOINT. Keep the stupid stuff out of this thread.

I do, I answer. :inquisitive:

antisocialmunky

07-12-2009, 00:56

darius_d

07-12-2009, 01:11

So, Qarthadastim lost again.
And again cavalry guys were to blame - my cavarly for ridiculous error, and opponent cavalry for destruction ballet in my lines.
This time, Aulus Caecina Severus gave a lesson with his Romani Polybian.

But actually it did not mattered so much what foot army he brought, it was just important that his decimated elite cavalry was enough to secure victory, since my cavalry was lost.
Edit - I just realised it was Polybian units (not Camillan), ok this makes me feel a bit better.
Of course, his win is fully deserved - he did good job by outmanouvering my cavalry to create himself this tactical advantage.
But this is just another reason to complain about elite cavalry being overpowered in EB.

The critical moment came when his elite cavalry Equites Extraodrinarii started to escape for life from my trap and my 2 iberian cavalry units pursued. Untill that moment things were going well.
So my cavalry went too far in that pursue and soon they found themsleves trapped and for good. They quickly broke and were lost for the battle.

The situation didn't seem so tragic yet, Aulus was left with merely 25 cavalrymen. But again I could learn, that you can attack that cav with up to 3 spearmen units and it will be not enough to destroy them or rout. :disappointed:

Replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jzmjnld0n4t

vartan

07-12-2009, 02:47

You should see the stupid stuff Vartan does.

:thumbsdown: You disappoint me Jack.

mountaingoat

07-12-2009, 03:01

i recently had to format , installing EB again ... so the AS armies can expect a falx to the face soon . :yes:

Gabeed

07-12-2009, 03:25

DAMN I wish I had my Rome CDs so I could terrorize, cannibalize, capsize, and frankly Ptolemize these Seleukid bastards to the other side of the Taurus Mountains. Next week, folks. Next week.

darius_d

07-12-2009, 10:53

@ Mountaingoat
@ Gabeed

yeah, definitely someone need to teach them a lesson, especially that turncoat JJ (for spoiling Roman results).

If I could just help - but since Monday I leave on 1st part of my holidays.
But I'll return just before end of July so expect some mess in scoreboard on the finish.

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-12-2009, 11:01

The situation didn't seem so tragic yet, Aulus was left with merely 25 cavalrymen. But again I could learn, that you can attack that cav with up to 3 spearmen units and it will be not enough to destroy them or rout. :disappointed:

I think this is problem of EB: cavalry CAN T still alive against spearmen at that time.
Also cavalry CAN T be able to deliver those great charges because haven t BRACKET that was invented some century after EB time.
One example? Bactrian late bodyguard: 29!!!! of armour... what is the criterion for this value so high.

However i see in this tournament very high skills about tactics and deployment
Thanks to asm rules this is really balanced game... good work.
I think Darius was only unlucky against me, his deployment was most effective in defence.

This is my summary:
:beam: tsidneku(pontos) - parallel pain(sabean) - darius(chartago)
:skull: fluvius(AS) - tsidneku(pontos)

Thanks for fun guys!!!!

Phalanx300

07-12-2009, 13:07

No you don't. You only think you do. You have a corporeal form but that is not really 'I'. The 'I' is from your perception of self. You say 'that's me' when you see yourself in the mirror but that is just an image of self produced as electric signals in your brain that make up your conciousness.

Your conciousness takes up no mass and cannot be measured. Ergo, you do not exist. What you are are just a series of independent chemical reactions that think its more than that that vanish the moment they stop.

j/k I'm jsut bored and screwing around. You should see the stupid stuff Vartan does. Don't bother picking any of hte above apart, it makes no sense and is contraditory.

BTW- why aren't you playing any German games?

Then god is just part of the imagination of chemical reactions. :skull:

Will soon, was kindoff getting addicted a bit with Mount and Blade Peloponession War Mod, only after my campaing terminating seeing it was still a demo. :inquisitive: But I shall hail the gods for victory soon! :idea2:

BTW- Always love this Spartan quote: "The long speech of the Athenians I do not pretend to understand. They said a good deal in praise of themselves, but nowhere denied that they are injuring our allies and the Peloponnese."

Simplicity for the win! :sweatdrop:

antisocialmunky

07-12-2009, 13:32

Its to bad that SPARTAAA!!!! isn't doing very well in this game. I might play a few games as them. I dunno.

Maion Maroneios

07-12-2009, 13:38

Can't you just not ruin one thread? Keep the religious or whatever stuff to yourself. I don't believe in God as well, I just used it as a way of speech.

Maion

Phalanx300

07-12-2009, 15:13

Can't you just not ruin one thread? Keep the religious or whatever stuff to yourself. I don't believe in God as well, I just used it as a way of speech.

Maion

I was just discussing with someone and then you come into an tread of an tourney you've left to talk about god who you don't believe in just to reply to me. Who was ruining what again? :inquisitive:

Its to bad that SPARTAAA!!!! isn't doing very well in this game. I might play a few games as them. I dunno.

Its because Hoplites aren't really that effective in EB, as your main forces that is. Thats how I like to use them, with weak cavalry and missle support. Only way to win in EB is to take lots of Hoplites and heavy cavalry for hammer and anvil, otherwise it'll just end with you being flanked by massive numbers of elite infantry. :skull:

Thats why I'm glad EB2 has shieldwall(so they've said), they can now be used as an offensive force! :2thumbsup:

Maion Maroneios

07-12-2009, 15:18

I was just discussing with someone and then you come into an tread of an tourney you've left to talk about god who you don't believe in just to reply to me. Who was ruining what again? :inquisitive:
You know something? It was stupid enough of me to bother replying to you specifically from the start. I should have known better from the other thread. Not that anyone else doesn't anyway.

Maion

Phalanx300

07-12-2009, 15:48

You know something? It was stupid enough of me to bother replying to you specifically from the start. I should have known better from the other thread. Not that anyone else doesn't anyway.

Maion

Yea since you are obviously all that matters right?

antisocialmunky

07-12-2009, 16:42

Can you guys stop this pissing contest between you two? Every single thread your two post in inevitable devolve into this. Please knock it off as the quality of the EB forums has gone down hill as of late because of crap like this migrating from thread to thread.

Stop posting if you're not adding to the topic.

Fluvius Camillus

07-12-2009, 18:22

LOL!!:laugh4:

I played a major part in trashing the Romani score. My use of cata's also impressed someone to see the light, now using his tactics for the worthy cause!

Gabeed, I am ready for you, my Royal army is ready to give you a beating which will not be forgotten.

Mountaingoat, same for you, see you on the field of battle!:smash:

Where is Tsidneku at, I still have to fight him. Let's see the competition's leading generals clash in a battle of epic proportions!:2thumbsup:

Always looking forward to more fights!:beam:

~Fluvius

_Agrippa_

07-12-2009, 19:48

battle #2 Agrippa versus Alsatia

replay download :http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d...4e75f6e8ebb871 Victory of Agrippa

nice battle Alsatia

battle #1 : Agrippa vs ParallelPain

victory of Agrippa

replay battle : http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d...4e75f6e8ebb871

nice battle ParallelPain

my points are not correct 4/4 , correct : 5/4

thanks
:oops:

darius_d

07-12-2009, 22:19

My last battle by Qarthadastim before holidays break, and 2nd one with Aulus Caecina Severus. This time he took Imperial Romani.
Undisputable win for ACS. My cavalry survived until the end (and he had no elites this time) but he was just more swift in charging infantry.
Again - gg, ACS.

http://www.mediafire.com/?w1yyz32dnhx

Yes, good idea to take some break. :dizzy2:
See you later guys. :beam:

antisocialmunky

07-12-2009, 22:38

Wha? ACS charge? Lol :).

JinandJuice

07-12-2009, 23:03

Won against Alsatia with AS.
http://www.mediafire.com/?tnjyymtjgmm

And ASM, do you remember if we did a ranked match with you being Makedonia 2 or 3 days ago?

_Agrippa_

07-12-2009, 23:50

battle #3 : Agrippa VS Alsatia (13/07/2009) (00:36)

replay download: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=px6pw5zqy0c

A splendid victory of Agrippa.....I was in difficulty I admit...however nobody knows the result of the battles... never to surrender :)

correct point is : 6/4

nice battle Alsatia :yes::yes:

Parallel Pain

07-13-2009, 00:45

battle #1 : Agrippa vs ParallelPain

victory of Agrippa

replay battle : http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d...4e75f6e8ebb871

nice battle ParallelPain

I only played you once for tournament, Agrippa, which you already posted. I checked the one above and it's the same as the one before. When ASM posted, the score as far as I could tell was indeed 4/4: Wins are me, Maris, Alsatia x2. Loss are darius_d, tsidneku, Fluvius Camillus, Flavius_Belisarius

Right now it's 5/4

antisocialmunky

07-13-2009, 02:48

So wait, am I mistaken or right?

Parallel Pain

07-13-2009, 03:07

You were right. Just he played another battle after the checkpoint.

vartan

07-13-2009, 03:40

Won two against Alsatia.

Hayasdan vs KH

Game 1 (http://www.mediafire.com/?mzmmmnjzuxz)
Game 2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?zwqwotmuzmw)

Parallel Pain

07-13-2009, 04:13

I have painstakingly took about 4h to go through the entire thread and mark down all the battles and then went through them a second and third time to double check. I've also watched some of the replays that were posted back to back to make sure they were not the same battle just saved by different sides (they were actually).

And I've put that into an excel spread sheet. Here it is:

http://www.filefront.com/14029171/EB-Tournament.xls/

The columns are pretty self explanatory. It is an X-Y chart which marks down every pair of players and the number of battles fought between them. Red is win and blue is loss. Total score (win-loss) is below the chart.

As of right now I have marked down 41 wins and 41 losses and a net point of 0, which means this list should be correct, and I am 95% confident that it is. Feel free to look through the thread and the replays to check.

ASM's points at last checkpoint was 36 wins and 34 loses and a net score of 4 ( 36 - 34 = 2 :sweatdrop: ), which means there should be some mistakes. I'm not sure where they are, but current scores, per my chart, are as follows:

1)JinandJuice 8-2 = 6
2)Fluvius Camillus 5-0 = 5
3)tsidneku 7-3 = 4
Antisocialmunky 3-1 = 2 (as darius_d conceded defeat, I added the battle in)
ACS 4-2 = 2
Vartan 3-1 = 2
Agrippa 5-4 = 1
Mithick666 1-1 = 0
"Hiero" 0
Phalanx300 0
Lestat 0
Jebivjetar 0
Kniva 0
Apázlinemjó 0
Alexander: 0
mountaingoat 0
spiritusdilutus 0-1 = -1
Maris: 0-1 = -1
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3= -1
darius_d 2-5 = -3
Parallel_Pain 1-6 = -5
Alsatia 0-11 = -11

tsidneku really should have one more win and I should have one more loss because I'm pretty sure he beat me. But I didn't save the replay so if tsidneku didn't the battle would become void :thumbsdown:

antisocialmunky

07-13-2009, 04:41

Sheesh, good job man. I really should figure out a better way to count. I thought I got all the battles...

Parallel Pain

07-13-2009, 04:43

The list includes all post up to now, which means it includes battles posted after the last checkpoint.

At least according to the chart, you actually recorded more battles than there was.

JinandJuice

07-13-2009, 05:24

pp, did you count my latest battle with alsatia? and asm, do you remember if we played a ranked match with you as makedonia a couple of days ago?

Parallel Pain

07-13-2009, 06:19

Yes I counted your latest with Alsatia

And no I only play ranked with Saba so it must have been for fun.

JinandJuice

07-13-2009, 06:36

I was talking to ASM, but thanks!

naiveharry

07-13-2009, 16:58

First win for me and Koinon Hellenon :balloon2::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2:
Battle replay is here
I had a tourney EB match with spiritusdilutus
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=t0w2t04mm1c

Alsatia

07-14-2009, 00:41

(In Doubt)

Alsatia & Agrippa vs Vartan & Parallel Pain

http://www.filefront.com/14035625/Tournament_8.rpy

Good game!

Parallel Pain

07-14-2009, 02:02

Still checking but right now it looks like it's not going to count due to desync resulting in seperate battles.

Parallel Pain

07-14-2009, 05:38

K I reinstalled the game and saw your version of the replay. Personally I am not going to count it. If you want it counted talk to me on hamachi.

So disappointed thought Alsatia's going to get a win =(

EDIT: To prevent triple post, I got a win over vartan! Saba got another win! :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :beam: :beam: :beam: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

replay:
http://www.filefront.com/14037723/vartan1.rpy/

Thank you vartan for letting me count it.

@naiveharry: are you hiero? If not have you signed up?

naiveharry

07-14-2009, 19:05

Parallel Pain

07-14-2009, 23:28

The Romans tried to invade Arabia, so the Desert Wolf (for those who don't know what I'm talking about see my dead AAR) brought out his army to destroy the invaders.

He fought his experienced skirmish army using semi-guerrilla, skirmish & swarming tactics that he is famous for and destroyed the two armies led by spiritusdilutus:

VS an outdated Camillian Army:
http://www.filefront.com/14042625/spiritusdilutus1.rpy/

VS the main attacking Imperial Army:
http://www.filefront.com/14042629/spiritusdilutus2.rpy/

Two more wins for Saba! :beam: :beam: :beam: :beam: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

Of course these two battles don't count if ASM agrees with spiritusdilutus' case of complaint so hurry up and go listen to spiritusdilutus so I know whether or not to mark down these two battles ASM :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

vartan

07-14-2009, 23:29

(In Doubt)

Alsatia & Agrippa vs Vartan & Parallel Pain

http://www.filefront.com/14035625/Tournament_8.rpy

Good game!

Still checking but right now it looks like it's not going to count due to desync resulting in seperate battles.

Battle Video/Commentary on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CC630008DBD7575A)

I wouldn't count it. If you'd like a rematch I'd be pleased (Parallel Pain's reinstalled EB and back to normal).

antisocialmunky

07-15-2009, 00:12

A few important announcements!

Rule Changes:
-Lonchrophoi(Hellenic Medium Cavalry)= Heavy
-Baktrian Medium(Baktrian Medium Cavalry) = Heavy
-Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry = Elite
-Hetairoi Aspidoi = Elite medium cav has been added to Successor Rosters
-Steppe factions limitted to 4 Heavy Cavalry units

Also:
Baktria falls to the Saka and I for one welcome our new Saka overlords. :)

JinandJuice

07-15-2009, 05:08

2 victories for arche seleukeia:

http://www.mediafire.com/?on2mnzylzly
This was vs Alsatia

http://www.mediafire.com/?dkt1qqzw2ym
This was vs Gabeed

gg to both of you!

m0r1d1n

07-15-2009, 13:43

carthage vs rome

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=0whpr0xkokf

my first tourney victory against spiritusdilutus.:2thumbsup:

spiritusdilutus

07-15-2009, 16:53

Gabeed

07-15-2009, 16:57

3 2v2 battles, I (Ptolemy) and SpiritusDilitus (SPQR) vs m0r1d1n (Carthage) and Hiero (KH). All 3 battles should be with this link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

All 3 were close battles (I'm sweating like hell right now), especially the second where m0ridin took out my heavy Ptolemaic and Ethiopian cavalry early on and charged Roman lines while Hiero held off my phalangitai and Galatians. But ultimately, all three battles were won by the Ptolemies and Romans.

tsidneku

07-15-2009, 17:11

3 2v2 battles, I (Ptolemy) and SpiritusDilitus (SPQR) vs m0ridin (Carthage) and Hiero (KH). All 3 battles should be with this link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

All 3 were close battles (I'm sweating like hell right now), especially the second where m0ridin took out my heavy Ptolemaic and Ethiopian cavalry early on and charged Roman lines while Hiero held off my phalangitai and Galatians. But ultimately, all three battles were won by the Ptolemies and Romans.

I'm a bit confused. I'm sorry to be nitpicking (and I am honestly indifferent to whether these count towards your tally). Do these team battles count towards your tournament tally? Even though the players on each respective team are all from different factions? Do they count for two points (having beaten two opponents)?

I thought team battles were to be selectively one faction versus another, using the team with lower number of players as the base mnai limit.

Gabeed

07-15-2009, 17:15

Hmm, I never read anything in the rules that said that it couldn't be a multifactional team game. I assumed that the Romans and Ptolemies would receive 3 points (2 points for each foe, divided between us, equals 1 per victory), and the KH and Carthage would lose three.

tsidneku

07-15-2009, 17:19

Gabeed

07-15-2009, 17:32

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-15-2009, 21:10

My battle against Hiero, his poweful defensive formation (KH) seem unassailable...
Only weak point: he haven t cavalry and i won the battle after many charges by my extraordinarii.
However was good game.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198563548/tourney5.rpy

My score:

:beam: darius (carthage) x2, tsidneku (pontos), parallel (sabean), hiero (KH) 5
:skull: tsidneku (pontos), fluvius (AS) 2

vartan

07-15-2009, 21:30

Doh'! I apologize, you are absolutely correct. :( I would have played more team games if I knew we could make 'em count! hahah!

Ptolemies w/ Roma vs. KH w/ Karthago is a pretty good match up anyway! (it is even somewhat accurate judging by the politics of the time period that EB is set in)

I remember either this thread's front page or the other threads of ASM saying that for instance a 3 man team would get 2/3 point each (totals to 6/3 = 2) and the 2 man team would get 1 each (totals to 2 again) so it's as if team games have a pool of 2 points for winners...but I wouldn't be too fond of unequal player-amount in team games. That would allow the loser team (if they contain more players) not to be penalized as much. Ideally you would have 2v2 and 3v3 or 4v4 where wins and losses individually still give you (or cost you) 1 point.

antisocialmunky

07-16-2009, 01:38

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ytjxndjjkh3/ASMJJvsGBDTSI.rpy

What can I say? Chariots suck.

Gabeed

07-16-2009, 02:05

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ytjxndjjkh3/ASMJJvsGBDTSI.rpy

What can I say? Chariots suck.

You speak too soon, sir.

tsidneku

07-16-2009, 02:30

I bring you two games against Gabeed. These count towards the tally.

Battle #1: Gabeed (Ptolemies) vs. tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14051229/tsid.vs.Gabe.07.15.rpy) - Victory to tsidneku
The first one was before he went into exile and took up arms with his Celtic brethren.

Battle #2: Gabeed (Casse) vs. tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14051609/2gabe.vs.tsid.0715.rpy) - Victory to tsidneku
This was an epic battle. His chariots steamrolled over my heavy cavalry. I don't know how I pulled a win out of this game... I thought I had lost and I was just playing to see how close I could turn the battle. I think the Casse general decided to rout which turned the momentum of the game. Those Lincoln Continental chariots are fucking scary.

Here's a third game, a 2v2 match that was a ranked game.

Battle #3: Gabeed (Casse) & tsidneku (Pontos) vs. Lestat (SPQR) & Mithick (SPQR) (http://www.filefront.com/14051899/mith.les.vs.tsi.gabe.rpy) - Victory to Gabeed and tsidneku
This one turned out to be pretty close. SPQR super discipline/morale for the win. :\

Gabeed

07-16-2009, 06:58

Lo, a Casse 1v1 victory against m0r1d1n (Carthage):

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

What can I say? Chariots don't suck.
gg to M0r1d1n though, it was a tight cavalry vs chariot battle behind his line . .. could've gone either way.

Sleep time.

Mikhail Mengsk

07-16-2009, 08:26

chariots are cavalry-killers aren't they? They are also very vulnerable to missiles.

antisocialmunky

07-16-2009, 13:13

tsidneku

07-16-2009, 14:33

The only experience I have with them are the schythed variety that pretty much jsut bounce off the Baktrian super Kataphracts.

Really all they do is MAD against heavy cav/lots of cav so they aren't that anti-cav.

Gabeed's Casse is pretty formidable. Their chariots are easily the most impetuous units in the game. They always end up tearing through my heavy Skuda cavalry like nothing! I can't even outrun them when they're coming my way. I think Baktrian and Parthian cataphracts are the only ones that might be able to stand up to them.

Gabeed

07-16-2009, 14:34

Scythed chariots, although they have greater attack, don't have javelins, have very low morale, and when they do inevitably run, they run amok.

vartan

07-16-2009, 15:10

Gabeed's Casse is pretty formidable. Their chariots are easily the most impetuous units in the game. They always end up tearing through my heavy Skuda cavalry like nothing! I can't even outrun them when they're coming my way. I think Baktrian and Parthian cataphracts are the only ones that might be able to stand up to them.

Don't those chariots have AP status though? o.O That'd tear right through that ParthoBaktrian Armour.

Gabeed

07-16-2009, 15:42

Don't those chariots have AP status though? o.O That'd tear right through that ParthoBaktrian Armour.

Well, as a matter of fact, I do have a replay where my chariots defeated ASM's Baktrian cataphracts. :beam: It was a friendly game, though, so I haven't posted it here.

vartan

07-16-2009, 17:25

Mithick666

07-16-2009, 18:56

ROMA VICTOR

Mithick SPQR vs Gabbed Casse

The replay

http://www.filefront.com/14055725/MithickvsGabeed.rpy

https://img380.imageshack.us/img380/253/victoriavsbarbaros.jpg

naiveharry

07-16-2009, 20:05

2v2 win (http://www.mediafire.com/?ylbrl2y1xwd) for Agrippa/Vartan against Hiero/Moridin

GG Guys

EDIT: This game may or may not count. That depends on how personally Hiero takes the loss. Sorry bro. Should've mentioned you wanted a friendly exhibition (unlike tourney matches...which are assumed--that's the purpose of the games in these networks to begin with).

dude seriously you are a sworn looser, remember we won the second game, and we did not save the replay because it was obvious if not stated otherwise, its a friendly...

I guess its a friendly because there was no conversation before the match relating to the type of game.
Normally it happens both sides agree that its a tourney. I will let the moderator decide.

Anyways nice try...

_Agrippa_

07-16-2009, 20:16

battle #1 : Gabeed vs Agrippa (16-07-2009)

victory of agrippa

replay download: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=v4k82hf3yzd

m0r1d1n

07-16-2009, 20:39

2v2 win (http://www.mediafire.com/?ylbrl2y1xwd) for Agrippa/Vartan against Hiero/Moridin

GG Guys

EDIT: This game may or may not count. That depends on how personally Hiero takes the loss. Sorry bro. Should've mentioned you wanted a friendly exhibition (unlike tourney matches...which are assumed--that's the purpose of the games in these networks to begin with).

this is just a clear case of misunderstanding...i've played a lot of matches after signing up, 6 among them were tourney matches ..and before every tourney match it was discussed whether it was a tourney or friendly....personally, i played these 2 matches with u and agrippa thinkin they were friendlies and they were both good games...we chatted on hamachi after the matches too to clear this up and thought this matter was done n over...

nxt time the status of the match will be decided beforehand, i don't know why we failed to talk before the match...i'll second hiero and let the moderator decide....

_Agrippa_

07-16-2009, 21:01

this is just a clear case of misunderstanding...i've played a lot of matches after signing up, 6 among them were tourney matches ..and before every tourney match it was discussed whether it was a tourney or friendly....personally, i played these 2 matches with u and agrippa thinkin they were friendlies and they were both good games...we chatted on hamachi after the matches too to clear this up and thought this matter was done n over...

nxt time the status of the match will be decided beforehand, i don't know why we failed to talk before the match...i'll second hiero and let the moderator decide....

moridin the first battle has been arranged in tournament..., the second battle has in advance been pronounced friendly from vartan.....I don't succeed in understanding because you are obstinate to say the contrary one......I have perhaps understood.... you don't want to admit the defeat

vartan

07-16-2009, 21:16

this is just a clear case of misunderstanding...i've played a lot of matches after signing up, 6 among them were tourney matches ..and before every tourney match it was discussed whether it was a tourney or friendly....personally, i played these 2 matches with u and agrippa thinkin they were friendlies and they were both good games...we chatted on hamachi after the matches too to clear this up and thought this matter was done n over...

nxt time the status of the match will be decided beforehand, i don't know why we failed to talk before the match...i'll second hiero and let the moderator decide....

To clear the water which has clearly been tainted for you all, the game will not be counted as a tournament match. My suggestion is for all to consider announcing the friendlyor tournament status of a match before the commencement of said match. I'm sure you all would be in agreement with this proposition. Hard feelings are so last century. :laugh4:

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 01:03

Assume friendly if nothing is said. Agree on a tournement match before hand.

@Gabeed.

I'll agree that they did alright but they went all over the place instead of actually attacking my cavalry. But then again, they do seem to work way better than the Scythed variety since htose just bounce off heavy catas. They suck vs head vs head but few things are more deadly than a flanking chariot or elephant which is what kinda happened. Plus I go so spread out that I couldn't attack your giant ball. Oh well. It was fun. You're going to die htough.

tsidneku

07-17-2009, 01:57

I played another ranked game against Gabeed tonight. Gabeed and I are always searching for new and fun (but tournament ready) maps. I am always amazed at how much design and work the EB team has put into the consideration of even the multiplayer aspect!

Here's the replay:

Battle #1: Gabeed (Casse) vs tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14058293/gabe.vs.tsid.0716.rpy) - Victory to tsidneku

You people ought to log on and play some ranked games against me. :( I can't seem to find anybody to play me.

naiveharry

07-17-2009, 03:06

moridin the first battle has been arranged in tournament..., the second battle has in advance been pronounced friendly from vartan.....I don't succeed in understanding because you are obstinate to say the contrary one......I have perhaps understood.... you don't want to admit the defeat

lol, He speaks English!!!
Agrippa first get your head straight and then we will talk...

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 03:31

vartan

07-17-2009, 04:25

Assume friendly if nothing is said. Agree on a tournement match before hand.

No way of verifying what was actually agreed upon (lies cannot be detected over the Net).

lol, He speaks English!!!
Agrippa first get your head straight and then we will talk...

Get to know the guy before you judge him. I'd applaud Agrippa instead; it probably took him a dictionary, online translator, and an Italian bilingual friend to type down his statement. Or not. Irrelevant. When he says he isn't fluent in English, it means 'he isn't fluent in English'. << and that's in English FYI.

Good luck.

tsidneku

07-17-2009, 05:40

I played another battle against Gabeed and two against asm.

Battle #2: Gabeed (Casse) vs. tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14059255/2gabe.vs.tsid.0716.rpy)- Victory to Gabeed
This battle was pretty funny -- we probably chose the hilliest map fucking available. It was great! :2thumbsup: gg

Battle #3: antisocialmonkey (Saka Rauka) vs. tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14059259/asm.vs.tsid.0716.rpy)- Victory to tsidneku
Both the battles against asm were incredibly close, he had me sweating till the decisive win both times. Good games.

Battle #4: antisocialmonkey (Saka Rauka) vs. tsidneku (Pontos) (http://www.filefront.com/14059269/2asm.vs.tsid.0716.rpy)- Victory to tsidneku

Good games all around. I'm going on vacation (literally) to the Orient -- so I shall look forward to playing the rest of you guys that I haven't had a chance to game with in about ten days. All the best in the battlefield. May your arrows strike home. (and I hope your Romani pili turn to rust and self destruct before you even throw them :yes:)

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 05:42

I'll still pissed by men explosively routed despite the few casualties and decent stamina...

tsidneku

07-17-2009, 05:45

I guess those Anatolian nudists had awfully big penises, and my horde of Middle Eastern slingers were reminiscent of suicide bombers. :idea2:

Uhm, I feel like I should censor myself..

Gabeed

07-17-2009, 06:10

I'll still pissed by men explosively routed despite the few casualties and decent stamina...

Pshh, take a look at a couple units of my swordsmen in the recently posted battle against tsidneku. One botroas unit, flanking a phalanx and with the hill advantage, got freaked out because they were nearly surrounded by eastern slingers, and were not within 5 feet of some allied units. They shall not receive any Pontic loot for their cowardice.

Parallel Pain

07-17-2009, 06:49

Current scores!

http://www.filefront.com/14059477/Post170.xls/

1)tsidneku 13-4 = 9
2)JinandJuice 10-2 = 8
3)Fluvius Camillus 5-0 = 5
ACS 5-2 = 3
Agrippa 6-4 = 2
Gabeed 6-5 = 1
Vartan 3-2 = 1
Antisocialmunky 3-3 = 0
Mithick666 2-2 = 0
Phalanx300 0
Jebivjetar 0
Kniva 0
Apázlinemjó 0
Alexander: 0
mountaingoat 0
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3 = -1
Lestat 0-1 = -1
Maris: 0-1 = -1
Parallel_Pain 4-6 = -2
spiritusdilutus 3-5 = -2
darius_d 2-5 = -3
"Hiero" 1-4=-3
m0r1d1n 1-5 = -4
Alsatia 0-12 = -12

Total Battle: 58 Single 4 Doubles

Win and Loss total 66 [58 + 4(2)] each, cancelling out to 0

I am assuming each game of double counts for 1 point for each person on the winning team, for a total of 2 points, and -1 point for each person on the loosing team, for a total of -2points.

The battles that were said not to be counted were not counted

Please check your own respective scores.

m0r1d1n

07-17-2009, 07:21

my second victory with carthage...but i realized after looking at replay that my army was not acc. to tourney rules...sorry mithick...i did not know that liby-phonecian cav. were elite...i just spotted the change in rule while going thru the thread again. so the match won't be counted..my bad.

spiritusdilutus

07-17-2009, 13:01

Another match, another triumph!!!!

Let this be a reminder to all Carthies and their allies out there who intend to mess with the Romani (adressing Jebivjetar mockingly), A celebration I say! :balloon2::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2:
:smash::smash::smash:

Match: spiritusdilutus vs. Alsatia and Moridin

Victor: spiritusdilutus

http://rapidshare.com/files/256808070/buttwhooping.rpy.html

m0r1d1n

07-17-2009, 14:35

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=cz13mny8p3f

victory at last:2thumbsup:...carthage (me) vs. rome (spiritusdilutus)

gg to spiritusdilutus

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 14:50

The last two posts just cracked me up.

m0r1d1n

07-17-2009, 15:44

The last two posts just cracked me up.

huh??:inquisitive:

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 15:47

Spiritus was celebrating his victory against you and you post you beating him next lol.

JinandJuice

07-17-2009, 16:05

ASM, you dick, EVERYTHING cracks you up.

But admittedly I did lol.

m0r1d1n

07-17-2009, 16:05

yea:sweatdrop:...we had the match right after the previos game..and a close game it was too..

Jebivjetar

07-17-2009, 16:24

Where is everybody. I see many replies here, but when i get to Hamachi- nobody there!

Let this be a reminder to all Carthies and their allies out there who intend to mess with the Romani (adressing Jebivjetar mockingly), A celebration I say!

Just wait for me, man! :-))

victory at last...carthage (me) vs. rome (spiritusdilutus)

gg to spiritusdilutus

ALL HAIL m0r1d1n!!

m0r1d1n

07-17-2009, 16:33

EBOT_1

Fluvius Camillus

07-17-2009, 17:24

Greetings!

ACS (Romani) and Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) fougth an intense battle. It counted towards the tournament, We were each others match and ACS was getting the upper hand in this fight, he routed my elite TAB's. Also my hetairoi and general fell in the cavalry clash. I felt I was losing and I abandoned all formations and withdrew. There I made a next stance. The second confrontation was hard, but in the end won by me. This day the Arche Seleukeia won a bloody victory over the Romani.

Very well played ACS!

I RECOMMEND THIS REPLAY:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zmnnzbzdkgj

~Fluvius

Gabeed

07-17-2009, 17:24

A couple victories to report:

Firstly, a victory (CassevsAnti1)by the Casse against Antisocialmunky's Saka in the woods of Galilee. His general accidentally lodged his head between the spokes of a chariot wheel, and that's essentially all she wrote.

Then, an epic 2v2 battle(Casse2v2wASM) with I and ASM vs m0r1d1n's Carthage and Hiero's KH. My chariots and ASM's light cavalry rode around the enemy armies, harrassing them as my infantry crashed through Heiro's thorakitai. It was an epic, jumbled mess of a battle, and I look forward to a rematch at some point . . .or at least more 2v2 Huge battles.

Edit: and the link, for both battles, is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 17:57

Gabeed

07-17-2009, 17:59

I thought you'd want to post your own win.

spiritusdilutus

07-17-2009, 18:17

Jebivjetar

07-17-2009, 19:19

Spiritusdilutus: you have pm.

vartan

07-17-2009, 19:33

What about my win you tool!?!?

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mnm2zyzkunk/ASMvGab.rpy

For those counting team games, remember to count them right. 1 vs 2 = 2 points if 1 wins and 1 to each lose while its .5 each if 2 wins and 1 to 1's loss.

Oh you've got to be kidding. Tell me you're not serious. You see the bias here? How can the one player have such more reward and such less loss? If the single player gains two points when he wins, why doesn't he lose two points when he loses? Ridiculous. I wasn't expecting this from you.

antisocialmunky

07-17-2009, 20:30

Because 2 getai can get 40 units vs 20 :-\.

naiveharry

07-17-2009, 20:38

I had a Koinon Hellenon Vs Romanii battle with spiritusdilutus,
game was interrupted just before it was about to end, I have uploaded the replay here, I was winning this one...
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yns1bwmjo0f

ASM please verify from your end. Also I have discussed with Spiritus and he agrees to the victory of Koinon Hellenon.

Jebivjetar

07-17-2009, 22:48

I too had 2 battles with Spiritusdilutus and every time we had some errors so our games were abandoned... Just wandering: has anyone expirienced such things (some error messages in the mid of battle) and, if so: does anybody know solution for that?

Our example:
1)Spirituslidutus recieved a message saying that something is wrong with my connection
2) i've recieved a message saying that his connection is f****D up
3) i've also recieved some messages from windows saying that some process is f****d up...

We had REALLY INTERESTING fights (Carthage VS Romani) crushed due to this error, so im just wondering if anyone have any solution!

:2thumbsup:

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-17-2009, 23:08

Two battle that i won today:
against hiero KH
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198570851/Tourney6.rpy

against Gabeed Casse
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198570872/Gabeed2.rpy

very worthy opponents this two... good game

My score:

:2thumbsup: darius (chartage) x2, hiero (KH) x2, gabeed (Casse), tsidneku (pontos), parallel (sabean)

7

:skull: tsidneku (pontos), fluvius camillus (AS) x2, antisocialmunky (saka)

4

_Agrippa_

07-18-2009, 00:05

lol, He speaks English!!!
Agrippa first get your head straight and then we will talk...

When it Comes With Offending, you are ready to criticize..MA WHEN IT COMES WITH PUTTING THE BRAIN IN OPERATION :idea2:...YOU HAVE DESIRE TO WAIT...What did it Cost you to Reason A PO?'

it needs to know a person before criticizing it or to have negative prejudices :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

I am Italian and I do not know the English ....., I make a great effort to communicate with her

Gabeed

07-18-2009, 00:20

I played a couple games against Jebivjetar.

The first one (uhh.rpy) he abruptly quit out of after the battle had started. I'm still not entirely sure what the problem was . .. he kept saying that Huge was "confusing" and perhaps that means it was laggy? Maybe this will get clarified at some point . . .but for now I'll just post the game anyway, though I'm not necessarily saying it should be counted. I doubt that Jebivjetar is a malevolent cheater who saw that he was losing and quit.

The second battle (CassevsBarcid2), on Large, had a more finite ending. My chariots and swordsmen attacked his Iberian Lancers early on, and then I moved my troops around to devour his right flank.

as always, the links are here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

Parallel Pain

07-18-2009, 00:25

Because 2 getai can get 40 units vs 20 :-\.

If you let the 1man team set max money, and at say 36k, then the 2man team has 18k each. They either half what they usually use, which becomes equal units, or use tonnes of crap, and even then it would probably only be 24 at worst.

And it's even better in a team game if you modify the rule to the max number of units able to be fielded by the smaller team. So in a 1v2 game, the 2 team can only have 5 cav 4 range 6 elites between the two of them

Either way it balances out.

I agree with vartan. For each team battle each player gets the total win point of 1 divided by the opposing team number. Loss is calculated by the win point. A 1v2 match where 1 looses should count for -2, since each of 2 gets +1.

Gabeed

07-18-2009, 00:27

If you let the 1man team set max money, and at say 36k, then the 2man team has 18k each. They either half what they usually use, which becomes equal units, or use tonnes of crap, and even then it would probably only be 24 at worst.

And it's even better in a team game if you modify the rule to the max number of units able to be fielded by the smaller team. So in a 1v2 game, the 2 team can only have 5 cav 4 range 6 elites between the two of them

Either way it balances out.

Except that the 2 players have the advantage of only needing to manage half of their total troops each.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 00:27

Yeah, i must admit: Gabeeds Casse were just glorious! They broked my right wing with their chariots right away, and their "scary" units (chariots) routed my men in no time. :skull:

And yes: i was very confused on huge units: never played that before... so i quit that game

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 00:47

I doubt that Jebivjetar is a malevolent cheater ]

You dont need to talk like that, man: if you continue to underestimate me like that, i will never play with you again. It's just stupid to do so.

JinandJuice

07-18-2009, 00:49

Not sure if you all guys posted this, but this is a 2v2 battle (Tsidneku and Gabeed vs ASM and JinandJuice) a couple of days ago.

http://www.mediafire.com/?juwyy05dxjz

Gabeed

07-18-2009, 01:02

You dont need to talk like that, man: if you continue to underestimate me like that, i will never play with you again. It's just stupid to do so.

I said that I DOUBT you were, meaning that I don't think you are a malevolent cheater. I wasn't insulting you, please don't take it the wrong way. :smug2:

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 02:08

Hmmm, well the multiplayer rules need to be ironed out since they make no sense since right now... I just kinda typed a bunch of stuff out. Since the 'shared' rule only makes sense for things like 2 vs 1.

I dunno. I rather just only admit even sided battles to be honest. I think the best is to count that battle as +2 for the winner and -1 for each loser and jsut not have uneven team battles...

Yes, the winner in uneven battles gets more points because he had to deal with 2 players microing against him. So I thought it best to give higher points because the battle has the potential to be harder.

Battles:
I win vs ACS. Very slow battle since both of us play defense and don't do some sort of crazy barbarian man ball.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zummnmkz3mg/ASMvsACS.rpy

This one does not count but ACS was complaining about the AS Katanks vs Rome matchup.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m0t5fnhyfur/RomeBeatCataphr.rpy

I'll update it eventually or Parallel Pain will(You've appointed yourself Scorekeeper. Good Luck :-p)

vartan

07-18-2009, 02:24

To those who cause desyncrhonization issues to arise, reinstalling EB is your best bet.

As for uneven battles, let's ask this. Say we have a 2v1 battle. If I'm on the two-man team, and my team loses--why don't I simply lose a point, my partner loses a point, and the sole winner gains a point? If my team wins, why don't I gain a point, my partner gain a point, and the sole loser...lose a point? In other words, if I won, am I truly undeserving a whole point, that I should gain only half? that I only gave half the effort? Because in all honesty, the effort is the utmost in any case. Therefore, any win and any loss for any player would weigh a single point.

-Vartan

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 02:30

I rather ban uneven teams from this tournement since I've never seen any Ladder system count uneven team games.

Besides there's the 'sharing' rule and its tedious to coordinate etc etc.

vartan

07-18-2009, 02:59

That's what I thought. Wonder where you got the 'sharing' rule from. I swear I must've heard that one somewhere before. Two thumbs up friend.

Parallel Pain

07-18-2009, 03:02

Yes. Banning uneven battles would be the best course of action I would say.

vartan

07-18-2009, 04:32

I was being sarcastic...

And how could you consider a ban? just as censorship. How could you? I think it's a good thing to have something new, change the status quo. If uneven battles have never been seen in tournaments, then it's about time. History won't mind agreeing. =]

naiveharry

07-18-2009, 08:43

This is the battle b/w Hiero and Neospartan
Gauls whooped hellenic ass and that does it for me and out of the tourney for good...
Here is the replay...
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=rhfszdhc21c

nice playing with all of you...

NeoSpartan

07-18-2009, 08:51

oh man wtf?

at least play friendly games though.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 09:18

I said that I DOUBT you were, meaning that I don't think you are a malevolent cheater. I wasn't insulting you, please don't take it the wrong way. :smug2:

Context of your words made me to think that. But if that is not the case, ok.
:clown:

Aulus Caecina Severus

07-18-2009, 09:58

This one does not count but ACS was complaining about the AS Katanks vs Rome matchup.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m0t5fnhyfur/RomeBeatCataphr.rpy

This seems to be a match already scheduled, not a real battle ... :laugh4:
I hope that this is a joke..:inquisitive:
Please, take a look how jinand used katapractoi (and archers for first).

My idea does not change, the cataphracts are immune to all arrows, have a devastating charge, using the mace in melee ...
This rpy don t mean nothing: sure, asm, that you played well... but also sure that katapractoi are more powerful than many elite units.

Yesterday I deployed a unit of keltohellenikoi hoplitai in guard mode with some units behind: you take your 3 units of cavalry and kill 90% of my keltohellenikoi with one! charge from the front.
I know this is a RTW bug: cavalry charge through other cavalry, so 3 cav charge in the same point.
I want nothing, only that you take a objective and impartial view of this.

JinandJuice

07-18-2009, 10:27

Wait what. Since when was I in this without any consent?

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 10:59

Just wandering: would this be max 6 elite units or not?

4X Celtic chariots
2X Britons swordmasters
1X Ebhorni armored shock infantry
3X Druids

spiritusdilutus

07-18-2009, 11:16

One more match played today:

Spiritus vs. Neospartan

Victory goes to the Gauls

Here`s the replay: http://www.filefront.com/14067673/spiritusvs.neosparta.rpy

gg man!

NeoSpartan

07-18-2009, 11:17

Just wandering: would this be max 6 elite units or not?

4X Celtic chariots
2X Britons swordmasters
1X Ebhorni armored shock infantry
3X Druids

yep 4 Celtic Chariots + 2 Kluddargos (Casse Sword Masters) = 6

+ 1 Ebhorni (which was taken out of the campain if IIRC)= 7

NeoSpartan

07-18-2009, 11:28

OH MuthaF****g YEAH! :boxing: is the Juggernaut B***!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiU5NKajhBA

thats 3 and 0 for yours truly. I got to post the battle with JinandJuice, AND later have to do a rematch with JinandJuice.

I also got a rematch pending with one of ya' all but I forgot who :embarassed:

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 13:35

@JinAndJuice - ACS has been complaining to me for days about how he can't fight kataphractoi as Rome, I was just demonstrating it could be done.

@ACS - That charge yesterday was frontal yes, but you had nothing supporting that unit and it was spread thin(3 ranks deep). You need to be atleast 4 rands deep to take a charge guard mode or not. Plus I had 300 cavalry units hitting that one unit.

Other things:

Chariots probably should be changed to heavies and I'm just going to ban uneven matches. Also, I'm going to make it so you have to declare chariots since they seem to somehow be effective. Though I doubt that's going to change anything much except vs Pontus/AS.

And I guess that I'll make Hellenic Cataphracts Elite though I doubt that will actually do anything since if you drop 8K on two units, you're not going to be able to afford 6 elites anyways.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 14:42

yep 4 Celtic Chariots + 2 Kluddargos (Casse Sword Masters) = 6

+ 1 Ebhorni (which was taken out of the campain if IIRC)= 7

I ask that because Gabbed uses these units in MP. Ebhornies too (i was surprised to see them, but if you don't believe, just watch reply posted one page before). There follows that it is not 6, but 7 elites for Casse+ 4 Celtic chariots seems to be more than 3 heavy cavalry max.

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 14:59

Chariots weren't heavy cav(oversight) nore elite since I was thinking about 1.0 stats where Chariots were just total crap and not that great.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 15:02

Chariots weren't heavy cav(oversight) nore elite since I was thinking about 1.0 stats where Chariots were just total crap and not that great.

They eat my lancers (Iberian heavies) for breakfast. And then, when they eat them, they eat the rest of my army :skull: ...they eat, man...and cannot stop.... they eat a lot!

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 15:16

Okay, how about this:

We make chariots elite. Vartan has talked to me about allowing him to use instead of the 80 sized chariots to use 2 x 40 sized chariots instead since they are micro intensive . To this end I'm going to set the 1/2 sized bodyguard ones(as they are the same) as 1/2 elite since he's trading size for micro.

Elephants and chariots are really hard to micro(their untis sizes are so big they drag through men very easily) so I think this is a fair trade off, less men for more control(and less chance of accidentally running through his own men and breaking rules). They'll count as regular cav since they are supposedly really weird elite skirmishers.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 16:33

Sounds ok: chariots are elite.
And one more thing: do we count them as heavy cavalry too (limited to 3max)?

Should this new rule be retroactive or not?

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 16:55

New rules aren't retroactive. Chariots aren't heavy cavalry, they are skirmishers. Closest theing they are to are medium cav.

-Also about the 2 vs 1, lets just credit 1 win or 1 loss for everyone

Gabeed

07-18-2009, 17:05

A battle against Agrippa (CassevsAgrippa1) results in my first 1v1 victory against Rome. gg to Agrippa.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=05b0f9934bc10ca3391d7d881749d3a7e04e75f6e8ebb871

dejan07

07-18-2009, 17:26

Sorry to interupt guys but how do i open these replays files??? :dizzy2:
What programm do i need?!

Gabeed

07-18-2009, 17:28

Rome Total War. :laugh4:

Just put the downloaded files into the EB/Data/Replays folder. You can then watch them in EB single player mode, by going to Load, and then Load Battle Replay.

NeoSpartan

07-18-2009, 17:29

Fellas get it straight:

Casse Charriots are Elite, AS and Pontus charriots are not. However, AS/Pontus charriots are heavy.
Casse Charriots have more morale, while AS/Pontus charriots have more armor + attack.

Also you guys need to understand that charriots eat cavarly for breakfast. They are made specifically to kill cavarly. The best thing to attack charriots with are skermishers, or slingers/archers, or light infantry. Heavy infantry take a penalty, like a -2 or -3, against charriots. (same for elephants).

So if you are fighting Charriots DO NOT let them near your cavarly.

...take a page from history... :book:

In the battle between Antiachos (sp) III the Great vs Rome, Antiachos deployed charriots on his right wing + some cataphracts (sp) to destroy the Roman cavarly opposed to him. However, the Greek general allied to Rome sent his slingers to shoot the charriots. The charriots routed and on their way out they killed Antiachos cataphracts (sp) and most of that left wing.

vartan

07-18-2009, 17:47

Rome Total War. :laugh4:

Just put the downloaded files into the EB/Data/Replays folder. You can then watch them in EB single player mode, by going to Load, and then Load Battle Replay.

Sorry, but those replays will not play out correctly (they are unreliable). What you need to do is load the game in the same EDU that you played it in (in this case, Europa Barbarorum Multiplayer). Because most of you won't be able to do this (as you do not have a load game option in your MP menu), I have edited in the Load Game option into the menu and all you have to do is copy this MP Load Game Patch (http://www.filefront.com/14069449/Rome.lnt) into C:\[Where RTW is installed]\EB\mp game edu backup and overwrite. If you don't trust me, you can make a backup of your old Rome.lnt menu file that is located there.

And I guess that I'll make Hellenic Cataphracts Elite though I doubt that will actually do anything since if you drop 8K on two units, you're not going to be able to afford 6 elites anyways.

The problem with this is that they've always BEEN elites. For Pete's sake, they are Cataphracts Jack, Cataphracts!!

antisocialmunky

07-18-2009, 18:51

I was hoping ot keep the rules discussion in the other thread but... oh well:

Some new rules clarifications for the Fair Play Rules:

Fair Play Rules
-NO RUN THROUGHS. The one exception is when you are withdrawing your cavalry when they are surrounded.
-NO CHARGING THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN WITH CAVALRY. You can charge them together or you can charge infantry after. The exception to this rule is if its reasonably accidental in the heat of battle or minor.
-DO NOT MOVE ELEPHANTS OR CHARIOTS THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN. They would be killed in real life so since this isn't in RTW, you cannot do this.
-NO STACKING YOUR UNITS ONTOP OF EACH OTHER EXCEPT WHEN ATTACKING, only up to 25% of a unit may be covered by other units. You can have attacking units overlapping to sim reenforce/crush of a major charge/break guard mode units. The exception to the exception is that NO PHALANX UNIT MAY OVERLAP ANOTHER PHALANX UNIT MORE THAN 25% EVEN IF THEY ARE ATTACKING.
-When choosing elephants/chariots, ANNOUNCE THAT YOU HAVE ELEPHANTS/CHARIOTS!!!
-If you are Rome, please say what reform you are.
-If you are using a steppe army, please say that you are using steppe rules.

Basically I allowed the ferocious charge attacks that Gabeed has been using so players can use it to break guard mode units. Seriously, I've been trying to work on this for a while since a line of hoplites about 3 thick does well to hold about any non-ap(cav can't be charged through infantry so it doesn't matter) unit off. They only thing you can do is occupy the line and then flank. That or the match turns into a he who attacks first loses since the defense mode heavy infantry units will just sit there until the attacker is tired. So instead now, if your opponent uses a thin line with no reserves, you can bust through it instead of watching your men slowly walking up to it.

I suppose that you could argue Carnae against this sort of thing where the Roman charge slowly pushed back a thin line of Carthiginian troops for a very long time, but the Romans would have won that fight eventually AND Hannibal had to stay with his men in the center to keep them ordered. I'd also bring up the final battle of the Corinthian War where the Spartan phalanx was broken by that massive amount of concentrated pushing power.

The exception to this rule is that it only applies to attacking - non phalanx mode units. Phalanx mode should not be stacked even in attack(unless they are out of phalanx). I never outlawed turning in phalanx due to a number of factors such as armies being more maneuverable than they really were, the fact that they tend to bug out when they do and that they are still surrounded and can only attack one direction at a time.

The other update/new rule are self explanitory. Announce chariots before hand(though you should be expecting it from Casse). Also, no running elephants or chariots through your own men intentionally since in real life this would ahve killed a ton of your dudes.

Jebivjetar

07-18-2009, 22:38

Today was a victorious day for Carthaginian army. After a long and tense battle, attacking Carthaginians and their Iberian, Numidian, Maure and Celtic allies managed to break Polybian Roman line and grasp a flower of victory! And it smells so good....

Here is reply : Carthage (Jebivjetar/Barcid) VS Rome (Spiritusdilutus):

http://www.filefront.com/14071097/SpiritusVsJebiIWIN.rpy

Spiritusdilutus: Really great game! :2thumbsup:

Fluvius Camillus

07-19-2009, 00:16

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The following 11 days I will be on holiday in Scotland, so I can't participate. I will pick up the sarissa again just before the tournament closes.

Good luck to you all and good bye!

~Fluvius

antisocialmunky

07-19-2009, 00:17

Since JJ admitted throwing a series of games to make me feel better, here ACS. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?! I BEAT HIS KATAPHRACTS WITH ROME!!! THEY ARE NOT BROKEN, JUST PUT A CHEVRON ON YOUR FREAKING HORSES OR COMBINE ARMS OR SOMETHING.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/0gmomnmjgmj/wowjustwow.rpy

For fun game of course...

This is a mess of a game because it was 1AM in FC's land and I just played that 1 hour sit fest of a game against YOU and your sitting in guard mode stalemate 40% phalanx failure box of shooting arrows at me with your heavy archers...

FC's Kataphract control was alot better than my multitasking but I somehow killed them. I also ran over a bunch of his archers in the process because I couldn't see them all the way out there...

Fluvius Camillus

07-19-2009, 00:22

A dark day indeed... It was a good fight though, but it became clear to me that I was losing, it was quite a mess and ASM pulled a victory out of the hat.

Now let's hope ACS can sleep well at night, no longer haunted by dreams of thundering hellenic cataphracts charging over roman soliders.:clown:

I hope you are happy now....

I should get some sleep too... especially now I have lost to Rome....

~Fluvius

antisocialmunky

07-19-2009, 00:33

Have fun on your vacation. :) See you in 11.

JinandJuice

07-19-2009, 03:11

I just watched the recommended battle between Fluvius and ACS. I gotta say ACS, you had him!! I think you just rushed it when he fell back and cluttered your units onto 1 elite enemy phalanx. that was the turning point of the battle.

NeoSpartan

07-19-2009, 07:48

OK this is the video of my 2nd battle with JinandJuice

Aedui vs AS

http://www.filefront.com/14073733/Aedui-ASwin2.rpy

... I gotta say I won by a hair pin, I could have easely lost that battle.

NeoSpartan

07-19-2009, 11:13

OK another round of fighting today.....

First off was JinandJuice... but we only did friendly battles. We played 3, I lost 2 and won 1. We each tired different things.

JinandJuice homed his strategy, troop manouver, and troop selection, to beat my ass.
I tried different things too:
-some of them dumb (like sending out infantry alone and unsupported to fight catas).
-some smart (routing his main line within 2 minutes of the initial engagement).
-some that didn't make a difference (deploying less cavarly and one more Neitos).

-In the process I learned a few things :book:, some general, some specific for Jin's new strategy.

Second was with spiritusdilutus (his name in Hamachi)

He was ready to do a tourni battle! :boxing:
For some reason, although his cavarly proved to be tougher to deal with, he didn't pay attention to his infantry. He lost in the process..

In the following replay you'll see what I mean.
http://www.filefront.com/14074283/Aedui-RomMaria4.rpy

alexanderthegreater

07-19-2009, 12:44

Can i has join still this tournament? seems like its underway alreaddy :inquisitive:

antisocialmunky

07-19-2009, 13:26

Yeah, you can.

Jebivjetar

07-19-2009, 14:55

JinandJuice

07-19-2009, 17:08

Neospartan, that replay with me was not considered a tourney match, right?

NeoSpartan

07-20-2009, 01:25

Neospartan, that replay with me was not considered a tourney match, right?

This replay was not was NOT from the friendly 3 battles we did last night.

that was the only trouney battle we did.... The same day I tournied against spiritusdilutus (ROME), and another guy with KH (he left the tournie)

I did not have an account to upload replays so after each tourny battle I asked people to upload them for me. Unfortunatly when we fought I didn't ask you before hand so you didn't save the replay. Thats why I had to post it late, once I opened an account to upload stuff.

However.... this is assuming I understood you correctly that time. :embarassed:

NeoSpartan

07-20-2009, 05:15

Tournie battle update...

this was a battle with antisocialmunky..... after one remake.

http://www.filefront.com/14080033/Aedui-Saka5.rpy

It was a tough Victory. HOWEVER, antisocial was basically drilling me on the "don't charge/run over ur own troops" and the "don't run over enemy troop".

Later we tried a friendly battle with Aedui vs Polybian Rome, but antisocial decided not to continue. Explaining i was still "charging over people" and whatnot. Well... be that as it may... 2 self notes for the future:

1- I am making some tests to later, in another thread, talk about them.
2- When playing with antisocialmunky be easy with my maneuvers. :book:

---------------------------------------------------

Next is a double whammy of:
CASSE VS AEDUI

Oh M**F** YEAH! THE Only two western barbarian factions went on head to head battles. Making full use of naked guys, chariots, big ol' swords, face-paint, and whatnot. They both know that Uirodusios are not elite troops so they used as many as they needed.

Battle #1:
http://www.filefront.com/14080087/CasseDefeat6.rpy

Oh my DANG! Aedui got their A** BEAT! :smash:
-In the beginning it looked like they were going to win, but Casse quickly recovered and came out to win the battle.

Battle #2:
http://www.filefront.com/14080097/Aedui-Casse7.rpy

.... and the Aedui decided to cut the bull**** and do some butt kicking! :yes:

In the end, the courage displayed by the Casse general was so admired that a group of Gaesatae decided to have a fair fight with him and his men. He won that fight. :dizzy2: But then the Aedui General said enough was enough and charged him and sent a group of Neitos to finish them off.

JinandJuice

07-20-2009, 05:54

Yeah admittedly you do like to do that.

Parallel Pain

07-20-2009, 09:11

Well... be that as it may... 2 self notes for the future:

1- I am making some tests to later, in another thread, talk about them.
2- When playing with antisocialmunky be easy with my maneuvers. :book:
That is incorrect. Change it to:
1- I will read the tournament rules before playing
2- I will follow the tournament rules
3- I will not cheat

NeoSpartan if you want your battles to count follow the rules. I am not going to go through all the replays, but if someone makes a complaint about you overlapping units or charging through your own engaged infantry with your cavalry or charging through enemy units you did not rout, the battle is not going to count.

Scores
http://www.filefront.com/14083855/Post243.xls/

1)tsidneku 13-5 = 8
1)JinandJuice 11-3 = 8
2)Fluvius Camillus 6-0 = 6
3)NeoSpartan 6-1 = 5
ACS 7-4 = 3
Antisocialmunky 7-5 = 2
Agrippa 6-5 = 1
Gabeed 11-10 = 1
Vartan 3-2 = 1
Mithick666 2-2 = 0
Jebivjetar 1-1 = 0
Phalanx300 0
Kniva 0
Apázlinemjó 0
Alexander: 0
mountaingoat 0
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3 = -1
Lestat 0-1 = -1
Maris: 0-1 = -1
Parallel_Pain 4-6 = -2
darius_d 2-5 = -3
m0r1d1n 2-6 = -4
"Hiero" 2-7= -5
spiritusdilutus 5-10 = -5
Alsatia 0-13 = -13

Battle counts
Singles: 76
Doubles: 6
1vs2: 1

Due to my method of using excel, in a 1v2 battle each pair will get 1 point change. If 1 wins, he gets 2 points. If he looses, he looses 2 points. Until I can think of a better way on excel to make the battle more even, that's how it is going to be counted unless ASM or the battle participants (spiritusdilutus, Alsatia, Moridin) objects.

Double check your scores.

And to make my life easier please clearly state who was fighting and who won.

EDITED: NeoSpartanvsAntisocialmunky battle included

NeoSpartan

07-20-2009, 10:07

:laugh4:

aight... if you guys are going to pressure me to keep my infantry out of the way when I charge then thats good.

The effectivness of the charge is severly reduced when a player charges through units, :wall: my aim is to create a space for my cavarly to hit the flank. Doesn't always happen... but with this new pressure from you guys to accomodate and improve my game, it won't happen :yes: just need some practice ya'all.

spiritusdilutus

07-20-2009, 12:30

@Spiritusdilutus:

About that battle i posted, i want to know: do we agree that it should be counted as a tournament battle or not? Today i'm not sure anymore... and i don't want to force things.

So, if you don't want this battle to be for tournament, post your reply here. In that case: i'm waiting for you on Hamachi!! :beam::2thumbsup:

Normally I would say yes, but could we not count it, cause I would have had my game on if it had been a tourney match, we must have misunderstood each other at that point, as we firstly mentioned that a friendly match ought to be in order, to test the stability of the network.

antisocialmunky

07-20-2009, 12:35

Its the morale penalty when units get when charged regardless of damage. Since there isn't definative morale charts for RTW, we can't tell but it existed in MTW(but it was around -10 for a flank charge). There are also issues with kill rates and % alive in RTW. I mean, 15 morale is a butt ton of morale even in EB terms. That's more than most units in EB.

Give him the battle he posted. He did well though he had an extra naked spearman. I'm not sure where he came up with the 3 units of men that flanked me. I quit the Polybian battle because I saw 1/2 of a unit of cavalry going through Gaesatae. Its okay if some of your units hang on a unit especially on huge if you're charging near your men but that doesn't make it okay that your attack vector purposely intersects a unit. Just because Celts make every battle a mess isn't a good excuse for it.

You guys should thank Parallel Pain if you see him - he volunteered to tally the scores for you. I'm also surprised that Saba hasn't faired terriby reaching a 2:3 ratio. Arche is the team to beat so go for it :).

Jebivjetar

07-20-2009, 14:21

Normally I would say yes, but could we not count it, cause I would have had my game on if it had been a tourney match, we must have misunderstood each other at that point, as we firstly mentioned that a friendly match ought to be in order, to test the stability of the network.

Yeah, i guess...
And damn that network if it chrushes again while we play tourney match, like it did one time before that succesful game i posted :dizzy2:

Parallel Pain

07-20-2009, 19:25

Give him the battle he posted. He did well though he had an extra naked spearman. I'm not sure where he came up with the 3 units of men that flanked me. I quit the Polybian battle because I saw 1/2 of a unit of cavalry going through Gaesatae. Its okay if some of your units hang on a unit especially on huge if you're charging near your men but that doesn't make it okay that your attack vector purposely intersects a unit. Just because Celts make every battle a mess isn't a good excuse for it.

You guys should thank Parallel Pain if you see him - he volunteered to tally the scores for you. I'm also surprised that Saba hasn't faired terriby reaching a 2:3 ratio. Arche is the team to beat so go for it :).

Done. And thank you.

It's 2:3 and not worse mostly because I haven't been playing much :laugh4: