Best 'small Successor'?

[madbriton]

I'm looking to start a new campaign with one of the successor states, but hate starting with big empires, so not AS or Ptols. Which do you all think is the best (and most fun) to play?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I love Makedons unit roster. Very high quality units. Playing as Epieros would be fun although there is more of a dependency on levies early on I would think due to proximity to Illyria. Both also have the choice of expanding east or west, or both. Baktria looks like fun, but, I've had enough of dealing with endless waves of Pahlav and Saka family members for the time after playing AS. I would go with either Makedon or Epieros.

[Ghaust the Moor]

I vote armenia because they are more a very capable race for various styls of expansion.

[vartan]

I vote Hayasdan because they are more a very capable race for various styls of expansion.

:yes:

[J.R.M]

Bactria.

Pretty good challenge with those Seleukids, Sakas and Phalav.
Good unit roster.
Good economy later on.

Weel second to me would be those Makedons, They have acces to Thracian units, they have their good phalanxes, good cavalry. that´s all i can think about for now. Hope you enjoy EB. Seeya.:2thumbsup:

[Conqueror]

Pontos if you want an insane challenge :sweatdrop:

Although it's not an actual diadochi faction, it can field similar armies.

[Maion Maroneios]

I'm looking to start a new campaign with one of the successor states, but hate starting with big empires, so not AS or Ptols. Which do you all think is the best (and most fun) to play?
I say you go for Makedonia if you're not very experienced with phalanx-based factions. They have lots of potential, hold a strategic position on the map and have excellent troops to choose from. You just have to outlast Epeiros and crush the Koinon Hellenon at the beginning and after that, the possibilities of expansion are endless.

And guys, Hayasdan isn't a Successor Kingdom.

Maion

[madbriton]

I'll allow Hayasdan and KH if you like

[Maion Maroneios]

OK. Even so, I still keep my initial suggestion. For the same reasons aforementioned.

Maion

[Rahwana]

Baktria, although it was the campaign that I play now. Well, great unit rooster and good bodyguard in the late game

[Tyrfingr]

Pontos, every day in the weak!

[Bucefalo]

I say Pontos too :beam:

[vartan]

My favorite successor is Makedonia. They're hella fun to play!

[option]

Epeiros. Pontos would be more fun if their roster wasn't garbage, but most of it is. Hayasdan is cool too, but hard given that you start right next to the AS heartland.

[Irishmafia2020]

Epiros or Makedonia are great if you want a Mediterranean based campaign, as is KH. Bactria I highly recommend if you want something... different.

[Julius Augustus]

All hail Makedonia! Makedonia is a great faction to do. They have a challenging starting position, but if you make it through the start, you have great possibilities. Makedonia has sweet elites(Peltastai Makedonike, Hypaspistai), sweet waaaarg choppa troops(Basternae, Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi, Thrakioi Peltastai), sweet phalanxes(Argyraspides, Hysteroi Pezhetairoi), sweet heavy cav(Hetairoi, Hippeis Thessalikoi), and sweet Greek units(Hoplitai, etc.). You can pwn those annoyinng Spartans, burn the Acropolis of Athens, kill elephants, restore Alexandros's body to it's right resting place, and get awesome allied armies of Thracian romphaias. But that's not the best part. No, the best part is being able to send the dog-sucking Romani filth to their ancestors. Sacking Roma 5 times. Burning down every destroyable building. Each time. Watching as the flames rise. Then leaving and coming back 20 years later with a full stack of Basternae when Roma is rebuilt. There is no sweeter sight than that of a falx slicing through the fancy armour of the Roman legions, watching as those bast**** fall to their deaths from the walls. Watching with joy the slaughter of thousands of pathetic Barbaroi, as all of their fancy armor does not protect them from the falxes of the Basternae. Watching as unarmored troops kick the ***es of well armored Romans. Watching as their arms are cleaved from their bodies. And then sacking Roma again. That is the best part of any Makedonia campaign. All hail Makedonia!

[Constantius III]

I'd recommend playing the Maks rather than Baktria. Baktria's got an awesome unit roster, the enemies you face are pretty varied, and they start out with great expansion prospects. But any war with the Saka or AS can just get exhausting after awhile, IMHO. Makedonia, on the other hand, starts out exciting with the whole "crisis of 272" thing, pretty fun way to open a campaign, and they stay interesting because you can drive into Anatolia and Italy, where the enemies are different and not pushovers but at the same time you don't have to fight exhausting HA battles or the full brunt of the Gray Death. And there's always the route north, too.

[Maion Maroneios]

All hail Makedonia! Makedonia is a great faction to do. They have a challenging starting position, but if you make it through the start, you have great possibilities. Makedonia has sweet elites(Peltastai Makedonike, Hypaspistai), sweet waaaarg choppa troops(Basternae, Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi, Thrakioi Peltastai), sweet phalanxes(Argyraspides, Hysteroi Pezhetairoi), sweet heavy cav(Hetairoi, Hippeis Thessalikoi), and sweet Greek units(Hoplitai, etc.). You can pwn those annoyinng Spartans, burn the Acropolis of Athens, kill elephants, restore Alexandros's body to it's right resting place, and get awesome allied armies of Thracian romphaias. But that's not the best part. No, the best part is being able to send the dog-sucking Romani filth to their ancestors. Sacking Roma 5 times. Burning down every destroyable building. Each time. Watching as the flames rise. Then leaving and coming back 20 years later with a full stack of Basternae when Roma is rebuilt. There is no sweeter sight than that of a falx slicing through the fancy armour of the Roman legions, watching as those bast**** fall to their deaths from the walls. Watching with joy the slaughter of thousands of pathetic Barbaroi, as all of their fancy armor does not protect them from the falxes of the Basternae. Watching as unarmored troops kick the ***es of well armored Romans. Watching as their arms are cleaved from their bodies. And then sacking Roma again. That is the best part of any Makedonia campaign. All hail Makedonia!
Well, well if it 'aint another Romaioktonos in heart. Why don't you click on my signature and join out noble Group?

Maion

[/Bean\]

Thats the entrance exam? All people have to do is write All Hail Makedonia in rather obnoxiously large text and they can enter your Group?

*Snipe sarcastic remark about modern politics goes here*

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Well, since you ruled out AS and AP, there's only one successor left and that's Makedonia.

[Azathoth]

All hail Makedonia! Makedonia is a great faction to do. They have a challenging starting position, but if you make it through the start, you have great possibilities. Makedonia has sweet elites(Peltastai Makedonike, Hypaspistai), sweet waaaarg choppa troops(Basternae, Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi, Thrakioi Peltastai), sweet phalanxes(Argyraspides, Hysteroi Pezhetairoi), sweet heavy cav(Hetairoi, Hippeis Thessalikoi), and sweet Greek units(Hoplitai, etc.). You can pwn those annoyinng Spartans, burn the Acropolis of Athens, kill elephants, restore Alexandros's body to it's right resting place, and get awesome allied armies of Thracian romphaias. But that's not the best part. No, the best part is being able to send the dog-sucking Romani filth to their ancestors. Sacking Roma 5 times. Burning down every destroyable building. Each time. Watching as the flames rise. Then leaving and coming back 20 years later with a full stack of Basternae when Roma is rebuilt. There is no sweeter sight than that of a falx slicing through the fancy armour of the Roman legions, watching as those bast**** fall to their deaths from the walls. Watching with joy the slaughter of thousands of pathetic Barbaroi, as all of their fancy armor does not protect them from the falxes of the Basternae. Watching as unarmored troops kick the ***es of well armored Romans. Watching as their arms are cleaved from their bodies. And then sacking Roma again. That is the best part of any Makedonia campaign. All hail Makedonia!


O hai Satalexton, howz it going? :smash:

[Julius Augustus]

Welcome to the forum Azathoth.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I would say Baktria, and Eperios, even though it is not exactly a successor state. Close enough however. It is Hellenic and it was highly influenced by Alexander, as Pyrrhus served as a bodyguard of one of Megas Alexandros' generals.

And yes, welcome to the forums Azathoth :laugh4::shifty::sweatdrop:

[antisocialmunky]

Baktria.

[Azathoth]

I mean, thank you! :yes:

[satalexton]

O hai Satalexton, howz it going? :smash:

Assert our rightous freedom!
Lores of heroic deeds,
Long live our Basileus!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

High above on Olympus,
Almighty Zeus guides on!
Immortal beacons of Truth,
Lucid as the sea!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

March our brave Hetairos,
Arche of Truth and Hope.
King of Kings All Gaia,
East to West he reigns.
Dominion upon barbaroi,
Our Basileus pushes on!
Never will he be overthrown,
Invincible his Agema.
All Hail Makedonia!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

[Cute Wolf]

Definitely not Makedonia in the sense of War with Romani.... Epeiros kick Roman ass first and foremost!!! but Pyrrhos still claims the title of Basileus of Makedonia....

Well, just want to said all hail Makedonia!!! , but they wasn't the best "Small sucessors" since they are allready "big"

*) instant capture of Athenai, kicking Spartans, and start reclaimin Pella isn't a definition worth of "small sucessor"....

Makedonia is a "Medium Sucessor"


So the best "small sucessor" in my mind is Baktria!!! they had 1 prov to start, and get a lot of tough time evading the Grey death, while beating Pahlavans and Saka...

[mountaingoat]

play as saroumate

[Dutchhoplite]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

[Reality=Chaos]

Baktria could possibly be termed as such.... The others are certainly not in the sense of Diadochoi... but they are in the sense that they are in competition state. The pahlava and the Hay (and maybe pontos) could be termed as succesors of the persian empire....

edit: hey dutchhoplite... are you actually dutch.... Cause I am....

[Dutchhoplite]

Jaja, ben Nederlands ;)

[Maion Maroneios]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
Baktria can be called a Successor state, I believe. They were a Seleucid Satrapy that rebelled from them, so I guess they encompass the title better. Pontos and Hayasdan certainly not. As for Epeiros, it had always been a free allied state to the Macedonians, right? So no "real" Successor State but certainly heavily influenced by them.


edit: hey dutchhoplite... are you actually dutch.... Cause I am....
En hij is niet de enige. Half-Nederlands hier.

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

zijn er veel anderen? BTW I find people chatting in their native language often annoying, so I'll keep to english (well not in PM's obviously)

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Baktria: many fighting styles, like heavy cavalry, hammer and anvil, missile power, elephant steamrolling, light assault armies.... a lot of fun.

[Reality=Chaos]

Baktria can be called a Successor state, I believe. They were a Seleucid Satrapy that rebelled from them, so I guess they encompass the title better. Pontos and Hayasdan certainly not. As for Epeiros, it had always been a free allied state to the Macedonians, right? So no "real" Successor State but certainly heavily influenced by them.


En hij is niet de enige. Half-Nederlands hier.

Maion

:dizzy2: I never figured you as dutch Maion (or half dutch)

[Maion Maroneios]

Greek, to be precise. Born in the Netherlands, but raised in Greece. Greek father, Dutch mother. An Heterogenes, speaking in EB-terms :tongue:

Anyway, sorry for the OT-chat.

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

How owuld class Pontos:inquisitive:? It was persian but heavily hellenized... also they were obviously a result Alexanders conquests... so not a diadochoi state as such, but you could say it was a successor state Maybe?

[Conradus]

zijn er veel anderen? BTW I find people chatting in their native language often annoying, so I'll keep to english (well not in PM's obviously)

About half the org or so are either Dutch or Belgian. Most spoken language here besides English is Dutch :p

[miotas]

Assert our rightous freedom!
Lores of heroic deeds,
Long live our Basileus!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

High above on Olympus,
Almighty Zeus guides on!
Immortal beacons of Truth,
Lucid as the sea!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

March our brave Hetairos,
Arche of Truth and Hope.
King of Kings All Gaia,
East to West he reigns.
Dominion upon barbaroi,
Our Basileus pushes on!
Never will he be overthrown,
Invincible his Agema.
All Hail Makedonia!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

Χαλάζι Δυτικά Βασιλέα!

My favourite faction is Baktria. If in looking for a small successor you want a tricky starting position then I would go with Baktria. Makedonia already starts off in a fairly strong position, it is still threatened but not to the extent of Baktria which is constantly threatened by AS, phalav, and saka. Plus Baktria can get early access to those beautiful indus and indo-hellenic units.

[Maion Maroneios]

Χαλάζι Δυτικά Βασιλέα!
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

OK I'm mean, but I had to laugh about this. What you wrote means: "Hail (as in weather-terms) in the west, King!"

Maion

[antisocialmunky]

Now that I think about it. There was Thrace. It got dogpiled by all the other Successors though in hilarious fashion.

[miotas]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

OK I'm mean, but I had to laugh about this. What you wrote means: "Hail (as in weather-terms) in the west, King!"

Maion

ROFLMAO!!!!!! :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

:oops: Wrong hail :embarassed:

You're going to get me in trouble Maion. It's getting rather late here and I'm sure I just woke up the whole house with my laughter. :laugh4: :smash:

[Reality=Chaos]

About half the org or so are either Dutch or Belgian. Most spoken language here besides English is Dutch :p

And to imagine I never ever noticed that.... I thought there were a lot of Yanks on here tbh:inquisitive:

[Alexandros_III]

Go either Makedonia or Pontos. Except Pontos is really hard.

[Bucefalo]

I see too much love for the maks..but they are just a bunch of sissy greeks, so play Pontos instead, it is a lot more challenging and you have the best things from both the hellenes and persians! :yes:

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I see too much love for the maks..but they are just a bunch of sissy greeks, so play Pontos instead, it is a lot more challenging and you have the best things from both the hellenes and persians! :yes:
When Pontos or Armenia is a successor state, than are the Romaioi as well. Or Sweboz. Or Casse.

[Hax]

Probably; Tellos Athenaios, Intrepid Adventurer and myself are also Dutch.

[Reality=Chaos]

When Pontos or Armenia is a successor state, than are the Romaioi as well. Or Sweboz. Or Casse.
I kinda disagree.... Pontos Came about because of Alexanders conquest, and in quite a few ways the Hay could be seen as a successor of the previous persian empire... not diadochoi for sure, but successors nonetheless

[Prussian to the Iron]

i think, if you are looking for a real challenge, then baktria or pontos are good. they have good, makedonian style armies, but are surrounded by AS.

for a challenge, but some variety, i like Epiros a lot. it is my favorite non-baktria faction. simply put, it has a mix of every culture in it, and as a result, has a lot of different types of troops and mercenaries to recrtuit.

[machinor]

I always found Makedonia rather dull. My favourite Successor-ish factions are Epeiros and Baktria. Baktria is potentially the most stylish RTS-faction ever! Can't wait for the EBII-Baktrians! :2thumbsup:

[Prussian to the Iron]

i found makedonia to be rather boring as well

[A Very Super Market]

It's like you're trying to provoke Sax and Maion...

[antisocialmunky]

To be fair, its like playing a better version of the KH and conquering in the opposite direction before basically doing the same exact thing and expanding into Thrace, Asia, and around the Black Sea...

:-\

[Prussian to the Iron]

.....except you get mostly phalanx units rather than hoplites.......

[option]

.....except you get mostly phalanx units rather than hoplites.......

Hence 'better'.

[Irishmafia2020]

one other option... one guy decided to play the AS and he disbanded all of his troops and let every city rebel except Antioch... that would be another option, create your own small successor kingdom.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Hence 'better'.

not neccessarily. if you are the kind of player i am-line infantry vs line infnatry til 1 side wins- then yes, they are better.

however, if you are a player who likes using geurilla attacks and constantly out-flanks your enemy, then hoplites are a more flexible, faster force you can easily maneuver out of a battle and right back in.

thats 1 reason i like epieros: they get both.

[A Very Super Market]

not neccessarily. if you are the kind of player i am-line infantry vs line infnatry til 1 side wins- then yes, they are better.

however, if you are a player who likes using geurilla attacks and constantly out-flanks your enemy, then hoplites are a more flexible, faster force you can easily maneuver out of a battle and right back in.

thats 1 reason i like epieros: they get both.

I think you fail to understand "Hammer and Anvil" tactics.

The Maks get hoplites too, just limited to Haploi and Classicals. At the end of the day, that's all you need.

[antisocialmunky]

Thorakitai Hoplitae are very powerful with their AP swords though. Other than that the high end hoplites aren't cost effective at all except as some sort of reserve.

[Maion Maroneios]

I always found Makedonia rather dull.
Noooooo, Strategos Machinoros... :shame:

Maion

[satalexton]

Philromaio arse-weasels.

Baktra, indeed is fun to play. Almost Equal to the Fatherland if it weren't the fact that it's not as easy to burn Barbaropolis due to the distance....(but i've accomplished it nonetheless)

[Azathoth]

The problem with Thorakitai Hoplitai is that they always use their swords. I've never seen them use spears - they just immediately switch weapons.

[Prussian to the Iron]

correct me if im wrong, but i believe they simply throw thier spears then charge; since they are not a phalanx unit, if their primar weapon is a spear, they will always use a spear unless throwing another weapon.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

correct me if im wrong, but i believe they simply throw thier spears then charge; since they are not a phalanx unit, if their primar weapon is a spear, they will always use a spear unless throwing another weapon.
Glad you want to be corrected. You are wrong. Thorakitai Hoplitai don't throw javelins. They have an underhand spear and an AP sword. Just like the Basilikon Agema.

[Reality=Chaos]

correct me if im wrong, but i believe they simply throw thier spears then charge; since they are not a phalanx unit, if their primar weapon is a spear, they will always use a spear unless throwing another weapon.

I think you are thinking of the Thorakitai unit:inquisitive: not the thorakitai hoplitai one

[Maion Maroneios]

Indeed, I believe PI confused the Thorakitai with the all-different Thorakitai Hoplitai. The former emulate Romaioi tactics by throwing heavy javelins and then charging with spears, while the latter are elite reformed hoplites of the Koinon Hellenon. The Thorakitai Hoplitai are like Iphikrateans, with a dory and kopis as primary and secondary weapons.

Oh, and I've seen the Thorakitai Hoplitai use spears. Iphikratides as well. They form up in guard mode and use their spears in the open when I fight them.

Maion

[Xurr]

I'd go with Baktria, it's a bit distant but is a nice challenge. The only real problem with it is you will be fighting Seleukeia the whole time.

Personally I'd forget about doing a Successor campaign, once you've done one they are all pretty much the same. For a challenge of a different sort, do a Getai campaign. You will be pleasantly surprised at the versatility of the units and develop new tactics to use them. I'm just finishing a Getai campaign and my new favorite unit is Thraikioi Peltastai. They are perhaps the most versatile infantry in the game. A close second are the Drapanai, an excellent phalanx killer. Heck I never really liked the idea of "disposable" infantry with little to no armor until I met the Drapanai.

[AqD]

Pontos if you want an insane challenge :sweatdrop:

Although it's not an actual diadochi faction, it can field similar armies.

Huh?!

Pontus is easy on VH/M! It's just a bit boring because I had no money to recruit anything but the cheapest phalangite unit and no choice but to fight the same bridge battles again and again and again to save my little kingdom from Seleucid invasions ....... :no::sweatdrop:

[Subotan]

Baktria/Epeiros.

[Constantius III]

Now that I think about it. There was Thrace. It got dogpiled by all the other Successors though in hilarious fashion.
I'd be wary of labeling Lysimachos' kingdom as 'Thraikian'. When the center of his territory was there, he was a nobody and a weakling, and forced to share power (the arrangement is unclear) with Seuthes, a native Thraikian king; after Ipsos, when he catapulted into prominence (despite the engagement having largely been won by Seleukos' and Kassandros' troops), I believe he pulled far greater revenues and manpower from Asia Mikra.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Glad you want to be corrected. You are wrong. Thorakitai Hoplitai don't throw javelins. They have an underhand spear and an AP sword. Just like the Basilikon Agema.

im sorry, but you seem to be taking a rather arrogant and smart-ass tone here. perhaps thats just how you talk, but you could be nicer.

thanks to reality=chaos for being nice about it.

[DaciaJC]

im sorry, but you seem to be taking a rather arrogant and smart-ass tone here. perhaps thats just how you talk, but you could be nicer.



Best not to mention it. I imagine some people are still rather displeased after your remark to bovi...

Anyways, I would recommend Baktria, if only because they are in the best position to gain access to Indian units (those Guild Warriors, while not as tough as Traikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi in my eyes, are killers through-and-through).

[teh1337tim]

most enjoyable would be makedonia... i mean its fun... u can go either way (no sexual pun intended)
to iberia and destroy the barbaroi romani or to the east and claim what is rightfully yours as the true heir to makedon and so must be king of all makedonians :)
then you could go northeast and have a bosphorus kingdom?
endless possibilities

but to be sure, I'd think im torn on the next campaign as Baktria or Epirus as they have both unique rosters and new tactics other than anvil and hammer (immitation legions, horse archers etc)

Looking forward to that and EBII after i get my new comp XD

[Prussian to the Iron]

Best not to mention it. I imagine some people are still rather displeased after your remark to bovi...


you know what? i'm sick of people here treating me and other newer people like crap for no good reason. I mostly take a good attitude towards people on here, but i'm one of those people who believe that the way you speak is the way you are. so if someone is a total douche bag to me, then i know they are douche bags in real life, thus i treat them badly for doing whatever it is they do verbally to others.

/rant

sorry you had to read that; i needed to vent.:furious3::furious3::furious3:

[miotas]

You need to relax mate, you're gonna blow a gasket. You asked to be corrected and he corrected you.

The way I read it was:

Glad you want to be corrected. *insert big cheesy grin here* You are wrong. Thorakitai Hoplitai don't throw javelins. They have an underhand spear and an AP sword. Just like the Basilikon Agema.

[Prussian to the Iron]

but compare it to the guy below him. he is more cordial and doesnt have a tone.

[Reality=Chaos]

Just let it slide prussian Iron.... I know how hard that can be (from experience on other fora) be tough... but in my experience it's a waste of YOUR valuable energy.

Personally I prefer to be nice unless someone is either particulary rude to me, or if I know them enough so they know it when I am joking

[Subotan]

Internets is srs business.

[Maion Maroneios]

Serious business my arse. Unless it isn't work, people who take IL as serious as RL should re-consider their approach to it.

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

Serious business my arse. Unless it isn't work, people who take IL as serious as RL should re-consider their approach to it.

Maion

Quite a lot of people do take it too seriously though.... And those who don't nee to be aware of that. That is not to say they should become serious of course. But I find it rather easy to be at least a bit serious when someone who is touchy comes along. Saves you both a lot of time and energy:yes:

[Maion Maroneios]

Agreed. That's why one shouldn't take IL seriously. Unless he sees his IL as a place where he can be "someone" or just freely express himself in fear of RL. That, my friends, is a person with mental problems.

Maion

[satalexton]

and while everybody argues and bickers, The Romaioi Barbaroi Clobbers the lot.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Makedonia, Pontos or Baktria are all awesome examples of smaller sucessors with good potential.

Final OT:

Het verbaast mij ook hoeveel Nederlanders ik tegen kom het internet. Natuurlijk ben ik een echte, geboren en getogen in de Lage Landen, geen half.:clown:

~Fluvius

[Reality=Chaos]

Het verbaast mij ook hoeveel Nederlanders ik tegen kom het internet. Natuurlijk ben ik een echte, geboren en getogen in de Lage Landen, geen half.:clown:

~Fluvius[/QUOTE]


:laugh4::laugh4: So am I... I get a bit nervous when natonal 'pride' or nationalism in general is mentioned:laugh4:

[Maion Maroneios]

Natuurlijk ben ik een echte, geboren en getogen in de Lage Landen, geen half.:clown:
For some reason, this part hurt a bit...

Maion

[Subotan]

Serious business my arse. Unless it isn't work, people who take IL as serious as RL should re-consider their approach to it.

Maion

...That was my point. I was being ironic. >.>

[Maion Maroneios]

:2thumbsup:

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

For some reason, this part hurt a bit...

Maion


Well that's what you get for denying your germanic heritage :laugh4::laugh4::clown:

[Maion Maroneios]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

*shoots himself*

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

*shoots himself*

Maion

:laugh4::laugh4: Sorry I couldn't resist myself after what you said in the other thread:sweatdrop:

[Watchman]

Pontos and Hayasdan (who are someone's successor realms, if now not specifically Alex's) are fairly interesting due to their locations, which results in a *lot* of practice at destroying rather heavy Seleukid stacks with rather small, light and generally piss-poor units 'cause you can't afford anything better for quite some time. If you don't mind the certain degree of repetitiveness that comes with the package, that makes for some tactical challenge and a definite sense of having to work hard to get your burgeoning Neo-Persia off the ground...

[Imperator Invictus]

hey madbriton, makedonia had Alexander, epeiros had Pyrrhus, greeks had Achiles and others, seleukides had Seleucus and so one.
I say that BACTRIA will have YOU.
:smash:

[Xurr]

...That was my point. I was being ironic. >.>


Sarcastic, not ironic. :smart:

[ziegenpeter]

Ehm, is epeiros actually a successor state? I mean have they been conquered or submitted by alex?

[Maion Maroneios]

No, they weren't. I believe we have a problem of definition here. "Successor" or "Diadochi" is a term used to describe the states that were created after Alexander's death by his officers.

Maion

[Subotan]

Sarcastic, not ironic. :smart:

Really? I knew I was being sarcastic, but I thought that it was for ironic effect.

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Pontos and Hayasdan (who are someone's successor realms, if now not specifically Alex's) are fairly interesting due to their locations, which results in a *lot* of practice at destroying rather heavy Seleukid stacks with rather small, light and generally piss-poor units 'cause you can't afford anything better for quite some time. If you don't mind the certain degree of repetitiveness that comes with the package, that makes for some tactical challenge and a definite sense of having to work hard to get your burgeoning Neo-Persia off the ground...

But it's annoying to fight only Seleukid's stacks for years and years...

[Xurr]

Really? I knew I was being sarcastic, but I thought that it was for ironic effect.

Irony is coincidental or unexpected, sarcasm is intentional. :smiley2:

[Prussian to the Iron]

But it's annoying to fight only Seleukid's stacks for years and years...

thats why baktria is a nice choice; you can fight seleukids, or you can go north and try your luck against the factions up there, hoping you make it hooking around the dead sea until you reach thrace and show the makedonians what a real phalanx looks like (baktrion agema anyone??)!!!!!

[Watchman]

But it's annoying to fight only Seleukid's stacks for years and years...Well if you want to you can go pick a fight with the other - right next door after all - and the Macs (at the westernmost end of Asia Minor) or Sauromatae (right north of the Caucasus, and immediately reachable with Pontos once you build any kind of fleet) for variety... but I for one would first at least torch Seleukid domains all the way down to Mesopotamia just to take the pressure off your back. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean taking the territory for good - that'd likely leave you quite overstretched - but rather nuking their main recruitement centers to keep them from spamming too many nasty stacks on you. Although after that the Ptolies will probably roll in an likely go into Yellow Death mode, but at least their elite recruitement zones are at the Nile and they'll still have to rebuild the infrastructure from burned rubble...

[Prussian to the Iron]

ah yes, the scorched earth tactics. good times....goood times.....

so basically, you just blitz, tear down all buildings, then retreat to a bridge and get ready for a $@**-load of AS stacks.

[Watchman]

...but at least there won't be too many TABs or silvershield pikes in those stacks, and for a while at least you should be positively swimming in loose cash after all that pillaging and razing. :2thumbsup:
I know I've had some tense moments when a spy found out a Sele stack worrisomely approaching the valleys had one of those TAB juggernauts along - sent me on an axe-recruiting spree something fast. Thankfully they went away (probably to deal with the Parthians) after a lenghty standoff on a bridge.

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Well if you want to you can go pick a fight with the other - right next door after all - and the Macs (at the westernmost end of Asia Minor) or Sauromatae (right north of the Caucasus, and immediately reachable with Pontos once you build any kind of fleet) for variety... but I for one would first at least torch Seleukid domains all the way down to Mesopotamia just to take the pressure off your back. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean taking the territory for good - that'd likely leave you quite overstretched - but rather nuking their main recruitement centers to keep them from spamming too many nasty stacks on you. Although after that the Ptolies will probably roll in an likely go into Yellow Death mode, but at least their elite recruitement zones are at the Nile and they'll still have to rebuild the infrastructure from burned rubble...

Right :yes:

[Watchman]

Rather than "enslaving" for fun & great profit ("exterminating" in Vanilla terms) you might also consider "deporting" ("enslaving" in Vanilla) the populace of some cities to help bulk up the not-really-that-large taxpayer base back home. Fairly historical too actually; both Mithridates the Great and his in-law Tigran variously did and attempted that kind of thing when they were particularly annoyed by some locale or just needed "volunteers" to fill a newly founded city... might be particularly appropriate for Hayasdan under the excuse of "temporarily relocating" the people until you can later properly "restore legitimate Persian rule" to the region. :wink3:

[Prussian to the Iron]

....im pretty sure they are still called 'exterminating' and 'enslaving' in EB. unless it didnt edit mine every time out of 4 installs on 3 different computers.....................

[Xurr]

....im pretty sure they are still called 'exterminating' and 'enslaving' in EB. unless it didnt edit mine every time out of 4 installs on 3 different computers.....................

actually eb replaces "enslave" with "expel" and "exterminate" with "enslave".

[Prussian to the Iron]

oh yeah i think those are right

[Subotan]

Irony is coincidental or unexpected, sarcasm is intentional. :smiley2:

Ahh, OK.:yes:

[antisocialmunky]

Irony is coincidental or unexpected, sarcasm is intentional.
Irony only appears to be coincidental, unexpected, or clever. Hubris is unintentional though.

[Xurr]

Irony only appears to be coincidental, unexpected, or clever. Hubris is unintentional though.

ahh yes, but being derisive or insolent is often intentional.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Wasn't the difference between sarcasm and irony, that sarcasm is being hurtful and irony more a fun way.

Example:

Irony:
Son comes home with his school results, all awesome grades. Dad tells: "Pff... Couldn't you do any better?"

Sarcasm:
Son comes home with the message he has to do the year all over again. Dad: Wow, you really did an awesome job at school, congratulations!

~Fluvius

[Subotan]

Then there's the other definition of irony, where the exact opposite to what you'd expect happens, like an optician going blind or Advice Dog.

[Xurr]

Wasn't the difference between sarcasm and irony, that sarcasm is being hurtful and irony more a fun way.

Example:

Irony:
Son comes home with his school results, all awesome grades. Dad tells: "Pff... Couldn't you do any better?"

Sarcasm:
Son comes home with the message he has to do the year all over again. Dad: Wow, you really did an awesome job at school, congratulations!

~Fluvius

Sarcasm does have the element of mockery. Take for instance the comment that started this tangent "Internets is srs business." The author was commenting on how other posters were taking things too seriously and mocking them. Thus it makes sarcasm. In your too examples do you see how the sarcastic one is mocking or denigrating the the son where in your first example the dad is actually using irony to praise the son? There is your difference one is humor and the other while it can be humorous is mocking or insulting.

[Zeibek]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

Isn't Baktria considered one? I mean sure they weren't directly descended from Alexander's empire but were at some point a part of it unlike for example Epeiros, and were also Hellenistic unlike Pontos and Hayasdan.

[Hax]

Son comes home with his school results, all awesome grades. Dad tells: "Pff... Couldn't you do any better?"

Irony is when a situation unintentionally gets a humourous tone to it; a cardiologist having a heart-attack for example. A police station getting robbed, a firestation being ablaze, etc.

[option]

A reason that hasn't been mentioned yet for why Epeiros is the best: their elite heavy cavalry is insane. Picture the speed and stamina of Prodromoi combined with the charging ability and staying power of Hetairoi, and you'll have an idea of them. Fast enough to catch horse archers and skilled enough to stand up to legionnaries in melee. LOVE those guys.

[satalexton]

yes, but a bronze cuirass alone makes them more vunerable to stabbas and choppas. They die much faster than the Hetairoi when the charge wears off.

[Prussian to the Iron]

theres this thing called charge and re-charge.

[vartan]

And then there is the death blow--or the death of the charge.

[Companion Cavalry]

My favourite successor is the Arche Seleukeia. They have an extremely varied unit roster, a challenging starting position, and most land of Alexander's former empire under their control.

I'm even starting up on a national anthem for them mirroring the "All Hail Makedonia!" one.

[Subotan]

*Small.

[Prussian to the Iron]

I'm even starting up on a national anthem for them mirroring the "All Hail Makedonia!" one.

....thats a bit creepy, no offense

[Darpaek]

Macedonia's really fun. IMO, the "feeling" of playing their battles is what it felt like to command a Macedonian army. And it's black. There's nothing like painting the whole world black.

My problem is that I feel compelled to disband my armies and abandon all my cities outside of Greece every time my King dies. :p