Conseil du Royaume

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Conseil du Royaume (Council of the Kingdom)

None could quite remember when the Council of the Kingdom had begun. It had seemed as if it had always been present. Rumor even had it that the current Council building had been built on the spot where Frankish Kings and their nobles had met whenever Charlemagne felt like declaring war on the saxons, which was pretty much always.

The Council building was in the heart of Paris, next to the Royal Palace. Although longer and lower than that famed building, it was no less opulent. Visitors had to walk through a large park full of walkways and marble fountains to reach it's entrance, guarded both by heavily armored spearmen and a pair of elegant statues in the shape of lions, which seemed to prowl watchfully on either side of the main door. Once inside they had a choice to go down one of three hallways. The two to either side lead to the wings of the building in which diplomats and minor functionaries were housed. There was also, at the end of the east wing, a small armory and barracks for the guards. The hallway straight ahead from the entrance led to a pair of large oak doors, carved with scenes from france's history and guarded by more spearmen. Through those doors was the Council chamber, an immense circular room. The walls were lined with tapestries guarded by empty suits of armor, with stained glass windows depicting saints at regular intervals. The ceiling wass painted with both scenes from the book of Genesis as well as battles scenes involving French leaders such as Charles Martel and Charlemagne.

Around the room tables have been set up, all facing a dais in the center. The largest are decorated with the heraldry of the various Houses, as well as whatever additions their occupants have wished to add. Functionaries and servants dash between the tables to wait on their masters and set up. A man reaching the end of his middle years, but still of stately appearance, wearing the livery of the King, stands on the dais to make an announcement.

"The Conseil du Royaume of 1080 has begun! It shall close for voting on the 8th of August at 22:00 PST, so make your edicts, amendments, and announce Seneschal candidacies while you can."

Council thread for the KOTF forum game. Councils are mainly concerned with proposing edicts and amendments, and putting forth candidates for the position of Seneschal. Edicts and amendments may only be proposed while the Council is in session. The opening and closing of sessions will be announced in the thread. Unless stated otherwise in the list of one's rank powers, all edicts and amendments must be seconded by two other nobles if they are to be put on the ballot.

Edicts and Amendments must be proposed in the proper manner.

Edict/Amendment A (B): Whatever I want my edict to say.

A would be the number of the session (1 for first and so on) and B would be the number of the edict in that particular session.

Last and most importantly, have fun. :bow:

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville, still bruised from the recent tournament, rose to address the assembled council.

"Bons messieurs, I wish to bring to your attention the matter of the Comte de Flandres. For centuries the comte has proven lax in his obligations and duties to our roi. Indeed, but nine years ago, the current comte defeated the forces sent by our roi to bring him to heel.

Not only has the Flemish comte proved a thorn in our kingdom's side, they are also becoming more influence by the Norman Roi de L'Angleterre. Such a situation cannot be tolerated.

I therefore humbly propose that his higness, Roi Philippe, commission an reasonable army to march upon Flandres and replace the comte with one more loyal.

I offer myself to lead the expedition, having had past experience of military campaigns, and would gladly restore Flandres to Francia.

Gaspard resumes his seat.

[deguerra]

Raoul mutters almost inedibly to himself. Merely something about "flemish cloth" is loud enough to be heard. :clown:

[econ21]

Hermant enters the Council chambers, admiring for the first time the opulence of their display. Scarcely pausing to settle on a bench, he rises to speak:

"Your Majesty the King, his Royal Highness the Prince and our noble Dukes, there is one question above all that we must debate - which of you will lead us?

The King has called forth noblemen from across France and with their collective energy, it is clear that we can accomplish great things. And France, for all the opulence of our present surrounds, cries out for action to restore it to its proper place in Europe. But who will marshall our energies? Who will direct our actions? Who will lead France to greatness?

The King has right of first refusal to the office of Seneschal, but I believe he may be too preoccupied with other matters of state to undertake the detailed work of administration that the office requires. If my belief is wrong, I apologise but would urge him to publicly correct me on my error and to come forward to inform us on his plans for the coming term.

But if, as I believe to be the case, we are to have a public contest for the post of Seneschal, I would urge candidates to come forth and state their manifestoes. If they wait to stand until the Council session is almost done, they will lose all chance to direct our discussions in the direction they wish the Kingdom to go and they will risk being mere secretaries, performing actions that we have mandated. And, for our part, we will lose the chance to question the candidates and see them openly debate with their rivals."

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville, hearing the words of Hermant Mauvoisin, stands to address the conseil.

"Bons messieurs, I am reluctant to take this step, seeing I myself am but a chevalier, and not one of the four Ducs of the Regnum Francorum.

However, I believe that I am one of the more experienced men of war here among the assembly gathered here at this moment, and so will step forward and offer myself to his highness, Philippe, Roi de la Franks, to serve in the office of Seneschal.

I have heard in my brief stay in Paris the many complaints from the nobility of the presence of the Normans in our lands. Currently, the Duchie de Bretagne is cut off from the rest of the Regnum by Norman-held Aquitaine, Anjou, and Normandie herself.

Also, as I have mentioned earlier, the Comte de Flandres stands defiant against Philippe's rule.

So it is quite clear that the majority of the conseil desires war, and if our roi wishes it, then I will prosecute it to its fullest extent.

I therefore propose that we concentrate on reducing Normandie and Flandres first, before beginning the reduction of Anjou and Aquitaine.

The reasoning is that seizing the important city of Caen will immediately restore a safe passage to Bretagne, allowing trade and communications between that land and the royal demesne. Caen is also the gravest threat to the security of our roi, and securing it will prove to be a sure bastion to Paris.

Reducing Flandres is important, lest the renegade Comte turn to the Holy Roman Empire and seek her protection, thus preventing us from restoring it to Frankish rule.

I must urge caution, however. Our armies are not well equipped, and it will take time to raise levies and experienced veterans do not emerge overnight.

I therefore put my case before the assembled conseil."

Gaspard bows, and resumes his seat.

[OverKnight]

Hugues speaks.

Well, war with England is one thing. We all know it's coming. We've fought them in the past and most likely in the future. We cannot suffer our Kingdom to be split as it is now.

However, not to be a wet blanket. . .war with England is one thing, but what happens when the Pope commands us to stop warring with a fellow Catholic nation under pain of excommunication? I can see it now, our armies on the march, castles besieged, victory speeches written and then that dreaded message comes. When threatened with excommunication would we withdraw? Would we stop the war?

While our relations with the Holy See are not as miserable as the Germans', the Pope will quickly command an end to any offensive action against England. What do we want more, war with the English or to stay within the Church?

Now, with some preperation, we could have both. But it would require a bit of patience. Perhaps not one of our strengths. Before we can launch an effective and prolonged war against the English, we need to improve our standing within the Church. We could also goad the English into war and then fight a defensive campaign against them, setting them up as the aggressors in the eyes of the Pope. If they are excommunicated, then all bets are off. Though, this would require time as well.

It's a bit of a pickle, no doubt, but we need to tread carefully.

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis scoffs when de Neufville announces his candidacy,

"You are not eligible to hold the position of Seneschal. Withdraw your candidacy according to the laws of our land and return to your place.

I will further warn all present; do not to presume to speak of the King's intentions. If he has something to communicate he will do so, but to speak as though you know or can guess his mind is an insult and it will not be tolerated. The royalty of France are favored by God to hold their positions, none more so than our King, and it is ill advised to speak casually of them.

Now, to the English! Why speak of war when it is mere sport, hunting down errant dogs who have the temerity to trouble our lands. War would require a formal declaration. Is such truly our course on this day?

Finally I wish to publically congratulate the victors in the Royal Tournament! Many a well struck blow landed, and honor should be done to all who participated!"

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

The discussions in the Conseil are suddenly cut short by a blast of trumpets that almost deafen those standing near the gates. A herald in the livery of the King steps in and makes an announcement in a stentorous voice.

"Nobles du Royaume de France, saluez votre Roi !! Philippe 1er, Roi des Francs !!"

He then switftly steps aside and bows deferentially to the powerful figure that strides into the room.

The King is dressed in a blue silken bliaud embroidered with lilies worked in silver thread and wears a cape of darkest blue with a white fur collar. His fingers are laden with several rings and a heavy necklace of gold chains.

But for all this finery, one cannot but get an impression of power that radiates from the man. A searching look on a severe face scans the room as the king crosses the raised dais where le Trône de France is set up.

Unfastening his cape, he drapes it on the backrest of the chair and then turns to the assembled lords, all bowed before him.

"Mes seigneurs, levez-vous devant votre roi et recevez sa bénédiction"

"As we all know, France is mine by divine mandate to rule, Dieu merci, but I have come to the conclusion that in these dire times, I will surely need all the help I can get, et ce avec l'aide de Dieu."

"This is the reason I have called upon you to sit on this Conseil and make your vocices heard as to how France is to be governed in the years to come."

"I'm glad to see so many young faces among the lot of you, that makes me confident in the future of the Franks. I'm also glad to see that so many of our old warriors are there also to lead the way and teach our younger sons les voies de la guerre, de la chevalerie et de l'honneur."

"I also wish to congratulate all of you that took part in the tournoi, for that was a fine episode of sportsmanship, and I believe me I know what it is like. Matters of state have kept me from joining but I've been a avid watcher of your exploits on the field.

Mes félicitations au Duc de Rohan... It seems that even at his young age, he's managed l'art de la guerre even if it is in some unorthodox way... It must come from fighting off the English brigands that are the scourge of our lands, of which la Bretagne is in the frontline.

I hope the gift from the Royal Stables have all been to your taste and that the court doctors I ordered sent to the field have been able to bleed you all as needed.

A mumbled reply comes from the assembly.

"I know what all of you want to hear : that we are going to wage war et bouter l'anglais hors de France.

But that will have to wait. Our treasury has suffered from all these years of war and the costs of another war woudl ruin us. In that spirit, only last year, I concluded a trade agreement with my cousin William which acts as a sort of truce between us.

France is in shambles, our cities stink, our peasants are famished, bands of marauders scour the land... All this must stop...

I will not suffer the peasantry of France to die while her nobles go fight for glory, plunder and pleasure abroad, be it to bring back into the fold provinces that rightfully should belong to my crown.

Hence I wish to put forth before this assembly an Edict that will prevent our landowners from levying troops until the bare necessities for the survival of our countrymen have not built.

Edict 1.1 : No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange.

For I will not tolerate our countrymen to die of hunger while we fight off the threat of the Englishmen nor will I tolerate our soldiers to die without a priest to give them the last rites.

This said, I will leave la gouvernance du Royaume entre vos mains in the years to come.

My advisory council has had word from our network of spies that the Allemands had plans to march on Metz, which is still unaligned. I hope that the Seneschal that will be appointed from among your number will find the means to beat them to the post and had Metz to the Realm. About 2500 florins should be recouped should we succeed. (OOC : Mission from the Council of Nobles)

Le comte de Flandres should also be made to see the light and know that it shines brightest in France.

I exhort all our valiant men to pursue those goals in the years to come. For we must gather our forces and taunt the English to attack us, casting them in the role of villains in the eyes of all Christendom.

Speaking of Christendom, France has always been the prefered child of the Church and I intend that it remains so. In that respect, and as a show of respect to the Pope in Rome, I will ask my daughter to go to Rome and present our respect to Sa Sainteté.

Once those good graces are obtained, we will fall upon the aggressors of France like a falcon on a rabbit bringing violent and unexpected death.

Pour la France, mes Seigneurs !! Pour le Roi !!

Philippe remains standing awaiting the reactions of the assembly.

[Andres]

Thierry slowly stands up and bows for the King.

Seigneur, before all, I would like to thank you for your kind words adressed to the Council. I promise I will serve you and the Royaume as best as I can.

Thierry gets up, pauses and takes a deep breath. He seems a bit nervous.

Allthough I see the wisdom in building up our Kingdom before going to war against a foreign nation, I see one problem with the Edict you propose.

It is possible that the English can't wait to wage war against us. Or another foreign nation, for that matter. What if the English would break the current precious cease-fire? Your Edict, as proposed, would mean that we cannot use our full potential to recruit soldiers to defend ourselves!

I would therefore suggest that you rephrase the Edict like this:


Edict 1.1 : No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange.
However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war agains the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.

Thierry sits down again, a bit nervous and apparently impressed by the appearance of the King.

[AussieGiant]

Duc Alain proceeds into the great chamber, his great poodle Medoc is now a brilliant baby blue hue and its hair is cut in such a way as to accentuate its head and tail.

His fitted chain mail armour is covered in a vest of black and white with red piping. At his side sits a long sword of fine quality.

Bowing with a fluid grace towards the King, the Prince and finally the assembled nobles he places his plumed helm on the Bretagne bench before walking some ways into the chambers centre.

"My Lords, Dukes of ze Realm, My Prince, Your Royal Highness.

It seems obvious zat reuniting ze kingdom from Norman 'ands should be our first priority. ‘owever I will defer to King Philippe that at ze present time we will build our strength and deal with those provinces controlled by bandits and rebels.

'owever for ze record and in my opinion, Caen and Bordeaux must be liberated as soon as possible.

I know I speak from a subjective point of view given the position of Bretagne, but I hope all nobles 'ere can see ze sense of it.

In addition, I agree wiz ze King and ze Duc de Champagne, ze only way to do zis is by building enough strength to attack quickly and decisively, lest we incur the rather of our most holy Pope. Patience is needed in ze first instance unless our enemies present a target of opportunity.

I would petition ze King and Prince now to let Bretagne take both Caen and Bordeaux if and when we decide to unite ze realm. This is merely because ze Duchy 'as no natural ability to expand once zis is completed.

And of course I will greatly treasure ze Black Stallion zat you have gifted me from ze royal stables your majesty. I 'ave yet to name 'im but it will be appropriate I can assure you."

[KnightnDay]

Thomas de Saint-Amand rises to address the king. "Majesty, I too share your desire to secure Metz at the first opportunity."


Thomas bowed, then turned to the other counsel members assembled.
"Knights and nobility of the Franks, I hear the cries for securing those areas held by the English, but I maintain the capture of Metz must be of the highest priority. At this very moment, our Master Spy, Aubert Fevre, only needs our word to infiltrate the castle. With his assistance and 1520 florins to raise the mercenary crossbow and spear companies, we can secure Metz this very season. The reward of 2500 florins will immediately pay the entire cost of the venture and still return a handsome reward to the treasury."

"Make no mistake, my friends. The Kaiser has his eyes firmly fixed on Metz. If it falls to the empire, the Germans will occupy a bastion from which the Reich can threaten us at any moment with armies far greater than any the English will ever threaten us with. For the sake of our security both present and future, I ask the blessing of those assembled to advance an edict to move against Metz without delay."

Thomas then takes his seat, hoping the others will take note of his words.

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis immediately stands and declaims,

"I second edict 1.1!

As for our truce with the Bastard... if the King wills it, then I will it also! Let us turn our attention to the petty rebels that trouble our countryside. In that mind I propose the following:

Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.

God willing this will secure for us the funds necessary to prosecute our eventual reclamation of our lands."

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince, sorting out the further debate, continues,

"Duke de Rohan it is unseemly to press your case for lands that the King has just declared we will not seek to retake. I encourage you to withdraw your claim. I suggest the two of us discuss the status of Bordeaux in private rather than before all this rabb... which is to say, waste the time of these noblemen."

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

Standing from his seat, Alain bows to the Prince from the Bretagne bench.

"As you wish Dauphine.

My Duchy is isolated, and we are threatened severely. Removing ze threat is ze only course of action I can see.

We can discuss zis at a later time as you wish."

[TinCow]

Christophe de Perronne sits quietly, listening to the discussions and nodding briefly whenever Prince Louis speaks. However, upon hearing the mention of "brigandry" in the Prince's proposed Edict, he freezes in place and glaces around the room, warily. After a few moments of silent contempation, he speaks.

I second Edict 1.2.

[Andres]

Thierry raises again.

Gentlemen, it seems like you are all assuming that the English will patiently wait while we conquer rebel settlements.

I can see the wisdom in building up our Kingdom and only attack when we are strong enough, but what if the English decide to attack first?

Should we not at least be able to recruit troops in case the English decide to violate the current truce? I strongly recommend to rephrase Edict 1.1. as I proposed.

[_Tristan_]

I second Edict 1.2

I also second the rewording of my Edict by le Sieur de Rochefort.

Better be safe than sorry, as they say Outre-Manche.

Now, which of our Dukes will run for the ppsition of Seneschal du Royaume de France ?

Philippe scans the ranks of the Dukes.

[Andres]

Thierry nods in the direction of the King.

Thank you, mon Roi.

[AussieGiant]

The young Duke is scanning a number of letters being presented to him by various men in the colours of the Bretagne duchy. After reading them and listening to those nobles speaking he stands.

"zere is real concern your 'ighness zat ze English will simply attack Bretagne while we spend our resources on roads and churches.

As long as we 'ave a credible force in Rennes zen I would be comfortable wiz even your reworded edict. But if ze English attack it will be far too late to zen begin recruitment.

What are your thoughts on ze matter my lords?"

Gazing around the hall he takes the eye of the Prince, King and de Champagne.

"As for ze position of Seneschal, I am prepared to step forward and present myself for consideration in front of zis Council."

[Ituralde]

Taking a deep breath Simon steps forward to address the other nobles.

Mon Roi, Lords of the Realm! It is an honour to speak before you today. As many of you are already aware the reputation of King Phillipe has been my inspiration to bind the nobles of France under one Oath. An Oath to Chivalry that will make the Knights of France known throughout the world for their nobility in battle and magnanimity when dealing with their friends and foes. My hope is therefor that every knight will swear the Oath of Chivalry and help to uphold what it stands for. What better way to mark our standing above and beyond the rest of Europes knights.

To the matters at hand I would like to offer my support for bringing us in the good Graces of the Holy See. It is important that he fully recognizes us for the righteous Christians we are. That's why I wish to propose the following Edict.

Edict 1.3
The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.

Also the proposal of Thomas de Saint-Armand has much merrit in my eyes. Should he put forth an Edict it would have my full support.

I also second Edict 1.1 and Edict 1.2.

[TinCow]

Christophe de Perronne snickers when de Montpierre mentions his hopes for a unanimous Oath of Chivalry.

Prepare yourself for disappointment, de Montpierre.

[woad&fangs]

Bertin rises from his chair to address Simon.

Chevalier de Montpierre, allow me to introduce the necessary edict for chevalier de Saint-Amand.
Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.

[Andres]

Thierry looks at Simon de Montpierre, pretending utter disbelief. He slowly raises.

Sieur de Montpierre, really now. Chivarly?

We are surrounded by rebels and we have English dogs waiting to tear us apart and you speak of "chivarly". We'll be lucky if we manage to survive all these threats. Keep your chivarly for fairy tales or for the moment where we are so powerful that we outnumber all our foes combined. Until then, I'd prefer realism. There are more important matters at hand than being "chivalrous". This is not a tournament were the worst that can happen to you is a damaged helmet or a broken lance.

[Marcus Agrippa]

Alexandre rises to make his voice heard and motions for the opportunity to speak

I must thank our glorious and noble king for the tournament and the trusty stead he hath bestowed me. I have named him vaillant.
I have heard from scouts about the size and composition of the English threat and I put forward a course of action, though it might take a few edicts.

My King, Dukes and fellow knights. We have not the force to defend or attack the English nor can we train priests as we have not the barracks nor the churches. We need to buy time. I second edict 1.3 due to the reward that will only help us.
Also I second Edict 1.2
I propose we build facilities and hire mercenaries to defend us and seek an alliance with The Holy Roman Empire, The Papal States and Milan. I believe we should consider either an alliance with England or friendly relations to halt a war till we can fight one.
Perhaps a wedding between our prince and the English princess would give us the time we seek.

Thankyou for hearing me my lords.

[Ituralde]

Yes Sieur de Rochefort, Chivalry. We are not some peasants that toil around in the mud. We are nobles and graced by God. We should feel honoured to be able to return some of this grace by showing respect to our fellow nobles. If we don't do it, who will? And more importantly, if we don't do it what do we become? Some of you call the English dogs, we would be worse without honour!

[Andres]

Thierry grins as he starts imitating a dog:

"Woof! Woof! Woof!"

He bursts out in laughter.

Of course de Montpierre, we'll see how chivalrous you'll run away when the captives you released so chivalrously come back with their friends. I for one will show no mercy to whoever dares to pick up weapons against the Royaume.

Thierry sits down, silently producing barking sounds and softly laughing.

[Ituralde]

Simon smiles broadly.

At least you have a sense of humour. Maybe a closer study of the Oath will reveal to you that it is not all that you fear it to be.

[ULC]

Gaetan de Rethel stands up and shakes his head at Bertin's proposal.

"It is not needed Bertin, the forces at Lorraine's disposal are more then enough to handle Metz, and Bruges as well."

"I suggest we instead concentrate upon where our forces need to be deployed - this talk of recruiting more men versus building infrastructure is pointless, because we are looking at it in far to black and white a way."

"Instead, let us reinforce Paris and Rennes with men, they being the most vulnerable, and allow both Aquitiane to recapture the Spanish March and Lorriane, with the blessing of the King, move on both Metz and Bruges. During this time, the Houses actively engaged in reclaiming Frankish territory will construct public works in their respective capitals - let us start with roads, farms and churches, in that order."

[TinCow]

I suspect that the only way de Rochefort will fear your Oath, most noble and honorable Sir de Montpierre, is if he finds himself relying on a man such as you to aid him in battle. Say what you will about honor, but I would rather be a live dog than a dead noble. They both stink the same, but at least the dog can still $#@&.

[Ituralde]

Good to know your priorities then. I hope I'll never have to rely on you while there are some b$#@!%# around.

[TinCow]

No need to worry, de Montpierre, I assure you I have no interest in your womenfolk.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

*The noble, unseen by most present until now, stands up and strides to the center of the room. People are muttering to each other about whether this man actually belongs or not. After all, nobody seems to remember him from the Tournament and almost everybody of note was there. Nevertheless, they begin to sit back and listen.*

Good day gentlemen, and I hope you all are well. I hereby once again swear fealty to my King Philippe as well as my Prince and Duc, Louis, and wish long days and pleasant nights upon them.

Now, some of you may not have seen me before. This is perfectly acceptable, as I was… unable… to attend the Tournament. The reason for this is unimportant compared to the matter I will address with you now.

Fellow nobles, I come from Toulouse, which is as you know, a very pleasant area in the South of France. Toulouse and its surrounding areas contain good folk, honest, hearty, God-fearing people. But recently, we have had more to fear than just the Lord. To our west, the English pose a minor threat by occupying the lands of Bordeaux. However, to the south lies a far more dangerous foe. Down on the Iberian Peninsula, the vile and heathen Moors occupy the southern half and threaten to pour through and hit the rest of Europe, just as they did centuries though.

Now, we could wait. Concern ourselves with other matters and hope the Moors go against their very savage nature and stop their conquest and killing, or that the various Christian factions on the Peninsula finally get their act together and hold them off or drive them back. Or, should that fail, we could always repeat the heroics of our ancestor, Charles the Hammer Martel, and turn the tide ourselves at Tours. But I ask you all: Do we really want to risk it getting that close?

No, my fellow children of God, we cannot. We as a people have accomplished too much since the last invasion to risk it all falling apart. We in the South of France have accomplished too much to risk it all being destroyed in the name of some heretical offering to a nonexistent deity. We owe it all, gentlemen, to the people that we watch over, not to let them fall to the threat of eternal damnation!

What the people of the lower Peninsula deserve is a chance at eternal paradise. What our own people deserve is the same, and this will never be allowed to happen with the wicked Mohammedans so nearby. Therefore, it is my intention to take the initiative to drive them back from the Strait of Gibraltar for all time.

Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.

I hope you will all see the merit in what I am saying. We will all be rewarded in the afterlife should we take up this measure now.

I also second Edicts 1.1, 1.2, and heartily second 1.3.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

A boy, hidden from everyone, sits in the corner and thinks.

"Gah! And I thought that Germans were power hungry and land grabbing egomaniacs! I hope that things will change when I become of age!"

[ULC]

Gaetan raises an eyebrow at Raynaud's proposal.

"Although I would agree that House Aquitaine must drive south into the Kingdom's of Aragon and Navarre, I think you underestimate the prowess of the Portuguese and Spanish, whom you have forgotten my fellow, and whom have beaten back the Almoravids. Are you suggesting that in the entirety of Spain, that not one Spaniard is blessed by God enough that, if his will sees fit, the Muslims will be beaten back across the Gibraltar?"

"I also find it odd that your request would essentially strip bare the of any real armies and generals, when half of the Royaume is occupied by the English. Holy though your quest may be, and gladly would I join in it, but I would never do so to the utter determent of my fellow men."

"I ask that you please reconsider, and simply retake the Spanish March, while Lorraine secures the North. Once this is done, we can be free to remove the English, and then drive south into Islamic lands if god has not blessed the Spanish or Portuguese to do so."

[Vladimir]

*Gontran bolts up, indignant*

Gaeten you fool! How can you advocate we let God's favor fall to the Iberians? What has beautiful France done to you so that you would deny it God's favor?!

*A few deep breaths and the rouge fades from Gontran's face*

The crude Castilians and fish mongers can hardly stay away from each others throats for long enough to realize that the Moors are breathing down their necks. We should undertake this Crusade for the glory of God, the glory of France, and the favor of the Holy See.

While on Crusade our coffers will swell. If the Bastard and his minions do attack when we undertake this Most Holy Cause, where do you think God's favor will lay? The gold saved and experience gained can only aid our long-term goal of reuniting the petals of the flower of France.

I ask you to reconsider your objection and your forgiveness for my initial outburst.

:bow:

[ULC]

Gaetan shakes his head. "I do not feel the least bit offended at your outburst, you were merely stating your belief. However, I do object with the very idea the Iberians are nothing more then fishmongers and heretics, or the idea that France somehow does not have Gods favor."

"Both we and the Iberians pray to God, and as such God would favor us both if we are true to him - God has infinite love, and infinite patience, and as such, he would look to all his children, and bless them, and not falter as a human would and give attention to only some of them."

"And do not think I am only specifically speaking of just the English praying upon the Royaume - the Germans would be quick to reclaim Charlemanges Empire, the Danes are always willing to plunder, and the very same Iberians we would ignore may prey upon us too. We must focus at home, bring our people back under one banner! Or would you deny an honest Frank his right to join in such a Holy Crusade because his lord does not answer to the King?"

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince rises and speaks once again,

I second Edict 1.5.

Dark days have settled over many formerly Christian regions in Iberia, and though I do honor the valor of the natives who have struggled there it cannot be more clear that they have failed. Not only have they failed to reclaim their lands in the south, they have let increasing numbers of them in their north fall into the very brigandry which troubles our southern border. If the kingdoms there were strong we would not have to aid them in enforcing order, as we so clearly must.

That being said, this call to crusade has not been made in haste! Note that it provide ample time and leeway to the Seneschal to develop a plan for the crusade patiently, over the length of his reign, by saying only that the crusade should set out by the end of the first term. I don't want to lawyer the words of my pious vassal, but fifteen years from now one man riding out from Paris under the banner of the cross might fulfill the letter of the edict without trouble. I rather think we can manage that, no matter who is elected.

More so let me ask you to feel the matter with your heart! Does it not cry out for the blood of infidels? Does it not beg you to take up the banner of Christ and march under the auspices of God? We who speak of chivalry, and I have taken the oath along with many here, do we not also feel a duty to do good works before God, spreading his faith and making an end of his enemies?

I wish France to be whole again as much as any man in this chamber, but that time is not yet. Perhaps in a crusade we can forge such an army, can take such a territory, can win from God such greater favor that when those hardy men return the Bastard will lay aside his claim in peace and return to that bloody island to rot!

I do strongly wish my support not to be seen as merely an issue of regionality as well, so I will go a step further than the encouragement in the edict that the territories been evenly distributed between houses; I will ask indeed that the House of Aquitaine be last to get a Moorish province. Let the more northerly Houses who give more to God's cause be the first to benefit!

On another topic, I will have it known that I frown on edicts such as the one numbered 1.4. In matters of recruitment it is unfitting to force the Seneschal's hand. Bear in mind that the man operates according to the King's will, and it is poor form to attempt to force the King's hand to one's own benefit. I ask that Edict 1.4 be withdrawn immediately, as even it's beneficiary has declined to support it.

The Prince returns to his seat with an expectant look in the direction of Bertin.

:egypt:

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville, highly embarrassed, rises to address the conseil.

"Mon highest apologies for mon mistake. I must have missed the section about the requirement of land for office. Forgive me, bons messieurs - I will withdraw my illegal nomination at once."

After hesitating for a moment, Gaspard continues.

"I would however, wish to present an edict which I believe is of the utmost importance.

The Duchie de Bourgogne, of which I am a part, is currently hemmed in by the Duchie de Lorraine to the north, the Duchie de Aquitaine to the south, and the Holy Roman Empire to our west. With the full understanding that the Duc de Lorraine wishes to retake his ducal demesne, there lies very little prospect of Bourgogne being able to expand her domain.

Therefore, I propose the following edict, which attempts to address this.

Edict 1.6: "Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian."

Gaspard de Neufville resumes his seat.

[woad&fangs]

Prince Louis, I wll not withdraw my proposed edict. The Germans are ready to pounce on Metz and Bruges at any moment. Only Lorraine is in a position to get there before the Germans. We can not wait for reinforcements from Burgundy or Paris. We must attack now and we must have enough soldiers to secure victory.

[ULC]

Gaetan nods at the Princes words.

"I hold no issue with sending a crusade, but with the blessings of both this council and the Pope behind it, however, I must advocate caution upon sinking so much investment into something that may be doomed to only relocate the throne of the Royaume to Iberia. And in such matters, Lorraine I believe holds little interest - it is to far away to reinforce and will be for sometime a money pit, and my Duchy is significantly more interested in keeping the Germans and English away from Paris."

Gaetan's eyes swivel towards Gaspard.

"Which brings me to why the Duchy of Bourgogne is so interested in securing Bruges. I understand that you are hemmed in, but would it be not natural to send your men south? Let us Lorrainians shed our blood taking Bruges, when we have much more at stake then you do - sending yourself Gaspard to Bruges will shed needless blood on your part. Bertin and I, along with Riems garrison, can take Bruges."

"Better to take the Prince up on his offer, and in the spirit of the idea, I ask if it would be acceptable, if this Crusade passes, that the first reconquered city, or castle, be transferred to the Duchy of Bourgogne."

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis looks intently at Bertin without a trace of anger in his gaze, but nothing of warmth either.

You are aware that the man most likely to make the attack has disparaged your Edict? That your Prince has asked you to withdraw it? That it impinges on the authority of the King and Seneschal? Needlessly so, even, in the opinion of the men who will fight?

...and still you will not withdraw it?

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Nodding to Gaeten de Rethel the Prince continues,

I am content with that assignment of Crusade territory, though it is not my edict nor my decision in the end. Perhaps the King could speak to the fairness of the matter?

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

A current list of proposed Legislation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1) (go to the bottom of the page).

[woad&fangs]

Bertin nods at the Prince.

Indeed, I will not withdraw it. If it fails to receive the needed seconds or votes, then I accept its failure. However, I have voiced my concerns and I will not be bullied into rescinding them.

[Ignoramus]

Turning to Gaetan, Gaspard begins to respond.

"If we did as you suggested, and sent our men south, we would cause immediate war with the Holy Roman Empire, something which we are not ready not equipped to face. I am sure you would see reason in maintaining friendly relations with our brothers to the east.

I have no qualms about Lorraine being restored to your Duc, but may I ask why are you so eager to claim Flandres as well? Such a result would could the Duchie de Bourgogne to become a mere backwater, unless war were to break out with our neighbours to the east. Something which I consider most unlikely to occur for a long time.

Gaspard resumes his seat.

[ULC]

Gatean shrugs.

"I suggested you send them south, but necessarily to Provence itself. As to Flanders, again, you would gain nothing from sending yourself there, to a holding a province you could not easily reinforce, and in the process, limit the Duchy or Lorraine in the process unless we instigated war. It would not solve any issues, and yet make more."

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

The Castillians are incompetent and flawed. It is evident, judging by the continued Mohammedan existence on the Iberian peninsula that the Castillians have not been fit for the Lord's favor for quite some time. Indeed, it is only through His mercy and utter disgust for the other residents of the Peninsula that they continue to exist at all, even in the weakened and pathetic state they are in.

No, it will be for the good of everybody involved (save for the Moors, but they are not worth discussing unless it is in the manner of the most efficient way of sending them straight to Hell) if a truly blessed and just nation purges the menace from Iberia.

[OverKnight]

Hugues sighs.

Well before we get to caught up in who gets what, and who should march on what and what not, it is the sole right of the King to decide which, if any, Duchy a newly conquered territory goes to.

As for the Duc de Bretagne and his candidacy for Seneschal, I wish him well. I'd rather be beaten in a melee again than push all that paper.

[AussieGiant]

Frowning to himself and then nodding in agreement at de Champagne's last words Alain stands.

"Yes, well ze expected land grabbing discussions 'ave materialise, I am also guilty of such obvious ploys and apologies to ze King."

He bows towards Philippe and then nods towards Louis.

"While we certainly need to have plans in place, the strength of our foes is such that consolidation and patience is required. Given this would be my approach if I was to be elected Seneschal, I would caution my fellow nobles here on wording edicts that restrict this strategy."

Turning to Raynaud with a far more entertaining look.

"de Xaintrailles, I am a religious man, but calling for a Crusade at zis time is like trying to rodger one to many girl in ze brothel. While it might be enjoyable it is not resources well spent.

To do it wizout ze Pope's blessing would seem even less enjoyable."

[Andres]

Funny to see how the chivalrous ones don't wish to go on a noble crusade and the others do. Maybe the concept chivalrous should be reviewed or there's some hypocrisy going on.

Allthough I couldn't care less about Muslim heathens, it seems to me that our resources are a bit limited at the moment.

On the other hand, before we can rebuild the heathen settlements into decent Catholic ones and start converting the infidel scum, we have to destroy everything that even smells heathen.

If there would come an addition to the Edict about the Crusade on Cordoba dictating that all muslim settlements on the way to Cordoba have to be captured during the Crusade, are to be sacked and all buildings have to be destroyed, then I'd say the Crusade will pay itself. Under such conditions, I could agree with a frivolous adventure in the South.

I'd even like to take part in the fun, if my Duke and the English dogs in Caen and Bordeaux would allow me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

Indeed, that was my intention. There is no purpose of a purge if it is not thoroughly executed. If you like, I will modify my edict to make this clear.

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville rises to give his opinion on the Crusades.

I would only support a Crusade against the Moors if the conquered lands were placed under the rule of Leon. Any other action would be opportunistic, rather than motivated by sincere and pious motives.

A Crusade to the Holy Land, however, would need to be governed by the nobles who won the land, for there are no other Christian states to govern them.

[Andres]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

Indeed, that was my intention. There is no purpose of a purge if it is not thoroughly executed. If you like, I will modify my edict to make this clear.

Maybe you should, because if it passes as it is now, we risk some "chivalrous" types leading a crusading army and ruining our economy. And getting themselves killed by the "honorably" released captives.

I'd add that all captured prisoners need to be hanged.

They're heathens anyway, so who cares?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

Very well, if I hear one more voice in support of this change, I will modify the edict. In the meantime, I will let others decide whether they wish to legislate about the treatment of prisoners.

[econ21]

"Duc Alain de Rohan, you honour us by declaring yourself ready to lead. What, pray, is your manifesto? And is there any legislation that you will require to fulfill it?

We have heard that Duc Hugues de Champagne will not run. What of Prince Louis and Duc Raymond de Provence? A contest is healthy for the Kingdom, particularly if it focuses minds on her future direction. But the sand glass is running and any debate between contestants must begin soon if the voting is to be informed."

[_Tristan_]

The King stands and all murmurs stops.

Mes seigneurs, you all know me to be a staunch defender de notre Mere l'Eglise. I have not forgotten that were it not for the bravery of Charles Martel at Poitiers notre Royaume would have fallen to the Muslim hordes.

Nevertheless, while I can understand the fear and loathing that knowing the Moors have set foot and now have a hold on European soil can create, we must not give way to the fanaticism of a Crusade yet. Les Espagnols et Portuguais are not defeated yet and have managed to create a standstill. Now how would they like to see bands of religious fanatics scour their land for that is how Crusades are led, like swarms of crickets, devastating the countryside which they cross ?

Moreover, I do not wish to see France expand beyond its natural borders while there still remains home territories to regain, and as you well know, this is not for tomorrow.

Even if such a Crusade was granted by the Pope, I agree with the proposal that was made before that all lands reconquered by our amrs by returned to its rightful owner le Roi de Castille et Leon. This would create a strong bond between our two kingdoms, leaving us free to deal with the English and the Germans in their own time, even calling upon our allies to help us.

Once my daughter is in Rome, if this assembly wishes to pursue this course, I will ask her to plead our cause before le Saint Père, but not before.

One other matter requires my attention, I think... I do not like some of the debate going in these halls. Particularly, I do not like the bickering and ambition that worms itself into your words, mes Seigneurs.

While I agree that France must be returned to her former glory de l'Empire de Charlemagne, France will have only one ruler and I will deal with our conquests as I see fit. Should I decide to give Angers to Bourgogne rather than Bretagne, that is my will and I will not have it contradicted. So do not presume to know what course I will hold.

Lastly, I do not like the proposition of binding the Seneschal hands by forcing him to recruit men to give a Seigneur rather than another.

However, if he's willing, I will look favorably to recruiting myself those mercenaries as needed, with the Seneschal necessary allotment of funds and provide them to the general that will seem the most capable of successfully leading the agrred uopn conquests.

Speaking of which, I am saddened and a bit worried for the fate of France when I see so few among its leaders wishing to step up and run for the position of Seneschal.

Turning to his son.

Louis, I would have thought that you would have relished the prospect of taking part of the power of the King before your time ?

Then, scanning the ranks of the dukes.

What of you Provence ? Champagne ? What better way to vie for my favour than to prove yourself worthy by leading the realm on the path of grandeur ?

That said, I will leave you to debate the matters at hand.

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis draws his gaze away from Bertin to address his father's concern,

Mon Pere I know more of your heart than you may suspect, and it is not my desire to create dissent by rising above my already lofty place. The day may come when I believe our Kingdom is best served by my taking on the role of Seneschal, but that day is not yet.

On the matter of the Crusade, the edict is most carefully worded to allow ample time for the development of forces towards this noble end. If you wish it I am certain it can be altered to include a provision for temporary ownership of the provinces preperatory to returning them to their prior Christian owners.

I will once more point out, on my own, that the royal prerogative should not be presumed upon. Bertin withdraw your edict. It has felt the disfavor of your King, your Prince, and your own allies within your House. To be true to your intent is noble to a point, and foolishly stubborn beyond that point.

:egypt:

[Marcus Agrippa]

Alexandre rises to speak

My King, Dukes and brother knights.

I Have listened and see much division in our collective thoughts.
With my Ducs permission I shall soon join the company of the Fleur De Lyes and run for it's captain.
I am a Chivilrous man and that means I do what is right.

I believe bringing the near east Metz under our protection would serve our imediate interests.
If the order pursues this and is supported by the King and the Duke of Lorraine then we stand to be united and serving our King and country, our royal highnest shall do with the provence as he sees fit.
While this would be done bringing our focus to restoring France without a war we can't fight, we could pursue alliances to secure our borders.

In this the order will not be at odds with any Duchy.
The order fights for the good of France and the King.

[Andres]

Thierry is in deep thought and looks up. He takes a sip of his goblet of water and stands up to address the Counseil.

Messieurs, it seems like we are not going to war with the English soon and I understand the wisdom behind that.

I also understand that we are going to build infrastructure in our Royaume, which is also a wise course of action.

But, we also have the English present in our very own lands. Yes, we are not powerful enough yet to take the initiative and start war, but we shouldn't be naive by assuming they won't attack us first in the near future. Once the treacherous English make their first moves, we'll need to mass recruit troops.

Some of you speak of conquering rebelious settlements, but we'll need troops for that. I understand that mercenaries will be recruited for that purpose.

Infrastructure is expensive, mercenaries are expensive, recruiting troops to defend ourselves against an attack of the English, is expensive.

We need money.

My esteemed colleague, Raynaud de Xaintrailles, talks about a "Holy Crusade". I prefer to call a spade a spade: we need money, the Moors have rich cities, let's take their money to finance our expensive projects. It will also give an opportunity to the more restless among us to prove themselves on the battlefield. It might be a good lesson for those "chivalrous and honorable" types among us, so that they learn that a silly tournament and a real war are not the same.

It is with this in mind, that I second Edict 1.5. But I'd like to repeat my query to Raynaud and insist that he rephrases it so that all settlements be sacked and all buildings destroyed. Since making money is the purpose, I'd also suggest that we try to ransom the prisoners we take. Of course, if no money is paid, the lifes of our captives are worthless and they should be hanged.

Thierry sits down again.

[AussieGiant]

The duke waits until the King, Prince and other nobles have made their statement.

He then moves onto the chamber floor. His voice is strong and firm and a contrast to his slight but fluid build. He is more boy than man in many respects. He gazes initially at Hermant before then addressing the benches in general.

“My strategy is simple and effective.

Bretagne is cut off from ze rest of ze kingdom. Due to ze Kings wish to refrain from warring wiz ze English, my options as a Duchy are effectively zero.

To zat effect, I can place a ‘and on my ‘eart and swear zat I will do what is best for ze realm as a whole and my objectivity at zis critical moment of our Empires development is assured.

Provinces of opportunity will be taken as efficiently as possible given our limited forces. Metz is certainly one of zem, others will be considered as an when ze time presents itself.

I am an ‘onourable man and zerefore I will conduct ze business of France in a like minded fashion. Our enemies and allies will know where we stand and why.

Given our current underdeveloped facilities, crowns will be given to all Dukes for ze development of our roads, churches and economy. It goes with out saying zat Paris will also benefit from zis expenditure.

Likewise we will open a dialogue with ze Pope in Rome. What they will bring is anyone’s guess but I will endeavour to raise our standing wiz him.

Please be aware, I am not a supporter of mercenaries and zey will be recruited only when absolutely necessary. I do not believe in ‘anding valuable experience in battle to men who can from one moment to ze next be fighting for someone else.

As for edicts, Bretagne ‘as none at zis time. If I am to be considered I would prefer flexibility zan a set of edicts that limit me at zis time.

At this moment the young Duke, stops pacing as he has done since he began to speak.

“On a final note, I know some ‘ere believe I am too young to lead zis Kingdom, I can appreciate zat position, I may ‘ave inherited Bretagne before my time and my fazer certainly went to an early grave. But since ze age of twelve I have been tutored and educated to do just zis task.

I ask you to give me zis shance.”

[Vladimir]

[OOC: Destroying all buildings is a cheezy, gamey way to cripple the AI. It may also encourage the GM to "restore the ballance."]

Duke Alain: Could his highness kindly refrain from chewing on his codpiece while attempting to speak?

[AussieGiant]

Looking amused and confused at the same time.

"Are you talking to me de Linars?

[Vladimir]

Yes, highness.

It appears you are much more pious than I because you always speak in tongues!

[AussieGiant]

Glancing with some concern at the King the young Duke painfully continues.

"ahhhh, I 'ave to tell you somezing, eeeerh, 'ighness is reserved for members of ze Royal familly.

I, am not one. Zat is why I am slightly confused de Linars.

And what is wrong wiz ze way I speak?!

It is perfectly normal, no?"

[Vladimir]

[OOC: Hamburger. Just say it once. Try it on for size. Ham-bur-ger]

*de Linars winces slightly and averts his eyes*

Yes, highness.

[Andres]

I zink he'zz zalking zo 'our dog, zeigneur.

[AussieGiant]

Looking around clearly confused, the young Duke clearly has no idea what is happening.

On the other hand, Medoc, the incredibly large hunting poodle has stood up and is staring directly at de Linars, the growl is so low it can be felt through the floor of the chamber.

[KnightnDay]

Thomas stands.

"I myself suggested the recruitment of mercenaries during deliberations within the House of Lorraine. Their need is vital if we wish to capture Metz without delay. There are two reasons.

First, our spy in the area can infiltrate the garrison at once and knows which guards can be bought. However, the rebels are nothing if not unpredictable. If we delay into another season, the guards will likely change and we will not have the same guarantee that our spy will be able to pay off the others. Then it may become a siege where we must delay further while the rams are collected and so forth.

Second, the garrison of Rheims cannot move quickly enough on foot to reach Metz immediately. The mercenaries which can be hired enroute to Metz can. So our choice is this, the immediate seizure of Metz with mercenaries, or a delayed seizure without them. Consider too that the Holy Roman Empire will have troops on the move towards Metz. I am concerned that delay would be a needless risk. His Majesty's offer of providing these soldiers for this effort rather than through edict is one I highly favor."

[AussieGiant]

"Clearly, in ze case you mention Ser Thomas, any delay risks failure of ze objective.

Mercenaries would certainly be considered if I was to obtain ze position of Seneschal."

[_Tristan_]

Philippe salutes with a slight bow of the head the speech given by the Duc de Bretagne and smiles briefly on hearing the covert flattery in Saint-Amand's words.

Surely if the elected Seneschal would see fit to provide the funds for the hiring of mercenaries from les Coffres Royaux, I would gladly negociate with les chefs de compagnie to have join our cause and put down the rebels in Metz.

Being hired by a King should carry some weight in insuring their "loyalty", how ill-suited that word may be...

[_Tristan_]

Mes seigneurs, I have heard not a few concerns raised by the good people of Bretagne as to their isolation and the fact that the English are like a legendary Damocles' sword above their heads.

I can understand this concern as I do not trust my cousin William one bit. However, I know him to be a greedy bastard, if you will allow me, and I may have a solution that would satisfy both parties.

What I suggest is for our elected Seneschal to enter into negociations with my cousin over the price he would deem reasonable to deliver Angers into French hands. Cela ferait d'une pierre deux coups (OOC : kill two birds with one stone).

One, it would clear the way between Bretagne and the rest of the Kingdom, preventing the English from cutting our supply routes. I agree that right now, Bretagne is almost in a state of siege and what I propose may be the solutiion to this dilemma.

Second, it would cut the English own supply routes, forcing them to use the sea lanes to bring reinformement to Bordeaux, a much more expensive and time-consuming way than simply have them cross the Channel and walk our countryside to Aquitaine. Thus, Bordeaux would be easier pickings in a few years time.

I do not yet know if the greed of my cousin will exceed our meager resources but I think this plan is worth a try, the more so if we manage to claim Metz quickly and benefit from our barons' offer to contribute to the war effort (OOC : Coucil mission reward of 2500 florins). The offer could even be sweetened with an offer of alliance and be presented by Constance, my daughter before she makes her way to Rome.

What say you, mes vassaux ?

Also, while I do not want to bind the hands of our Seneschal, I wish that our soil be sanctified. I wish it to be the guiding light of Europe in showing the victory of the Vrai Foi. So, to make this dream real, I want priests to roam our lands far and wide, denouncing heretics whenever and wherever they find them, bringing the word of God to the smallest of villages in the remotest of valleys or mountains.

Hence, I propose the following legislation which is intended to go one step further than the Edict proposed by le Sieur de Montpierre, which showed true and pure intent but was rather limited in scope.

Amendment 1.1 : The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.


Furthermore, I wish our Royaume to create strong bonds with some of our neighbours and find allies and opportunities in all the known world. Our diplomats need be sent to the courts of all Kings, to create those bonds of friendship that will allow us to find help should we ever require it.

I intend notably to have our diplomat enter in negociations with the Spanish and Portuguese Kings and see if they would require our help in getting rid of the Moorish threat (OOC : military access and alliance), preparing for the Crusade that many among you have been requesting.

Hence I propose the following legislation :

Edict 1.7 : At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.

[woad&fangs]

Bertin is about to issue a retort to Prince Louis when he hears the Duc de Rohan and King Philip discuss hiring the mercenaries. Bertin sits down and shuffles some papers.

[ULC]

Gaetan stands up and bows in the direction of King Philippe.

"My King, if you would hear me. I, and one other, can take Metz in full force, with no loss to the coffers of the Royaume, and once captured, part of Riems garrison can then occupy Metz for it's protection. The Mercenaries are not required, nor are siege engines of any kind. I can force the hand of the defenders of Metz, and then crush them upon an open field."

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

I must again stress the timeline of my proposed Edict. Under no circumstances will such an important mission as this be rushed. Should the Edict pass, then all that the Seneschal is to do for the great majority of his term is build up his forces. This can be accomplished easily, and allows plenty of time for the conquest of territories closer to home. I am quite confident that Duc Alain or whomever takes the position is competent enough to both consolidate our home regions while at the same time preparing for the Holy mission.

Indeed, should all go well, at the next Conseil session I will propose a follow-up Edict detailing an exact plan of attack. But for now, this is only a time of preparation.

[Cecil XIX]

Finally, Duc Raymond enters the Conseil.

My King, my Prince and the Lords of France: I apologize for my late arrival. That said, allow me to make up for lost time.

I hereby announce my candidacy for Seneschal. It is honor to face Duc de Rohan in any contest, and this is know exception.

My goal for this term would be to achieve modest gains by bringing the Counts of Flanders and Champagne(OOC: I think that's what Metz's province is called), while setting in motion the infastructure developments that shall allow us to stand against the English. As it is my belief that such a war against a fellow Catholic nation is best waged with the support of his Holiness, I would make a point to build churches and recruit priests.

That being the case, I second both Amemdment 1.1 and Edict 1.7.

[Ituralde]

I second Edit 1.7.

Charter Amendment 1.1 is a noble endeavour, but I think in our current situation it would hinder us too much. We know that we need to do several things at once to be successful, this Amendment would severly limit the liberty of the Seneshal. I think it would be better introduced at a later stage where our resources are not so thinly spread.

[Vladimir]

Seigneours, Highness *:bow:*

As a matter of protocol I propose the following edict:

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

I second Edict 1.8.

[TinCow]

I second Edict 1.8.

[econ21]

The idea of a crusade speaks greatly to my heart and I would in principle support any such venture. However, I believe it should be a properly constituted crusade - sanctioned by Rome, not some profiteering venture dressed up in pious words. Still less should it be dread trail of extermination and mass executions. A man of God should seek to save souls, not damn heathens to oblivion or worse. Whether a crusade be directed at Iberia or the Holy Land will depend on events we cannot yet forsee - the course of the reconquista in Spain and the intentions of the Holy Father.

Our aim to secure Papal endorsement gives added importance to the King’s Amendment 1.1 about recruiting priests. I second Amendment 1.1 and would encourage the Seneschal to deploy those priests, once they have secured the homeland, to heathen areas where they may bring many more to God. I believe the Papacy will give special weight to such endeavours when filling the College of Cardinals.

[OverKnight]

Hugues stands to speak, he bows to the King.

I did not mean to displease your Majesty by not running for the position of Seneschal. I just felt Duc Alain was the right man for the job. And I don't like paper cuts. It's good to see Duc Raymond throwing his hat in the ring as well.

My man Reeves has updated the list of legislation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1). I will also second Amendment 1.1. There seems to be a strange man following me speaking in tongues and making cryptic remarks concerning someone called Mithras. I'm sure a Priest could sort that out right quick.

I would also like to make it clear that I will be using the forces in Reims to lead an attack on Metz. Capture of the castle will bring much needed funds into the Kingdom. It will take me two seasons to get there and start the siege, a bit slower than some of the other plans proposed here. However, the money saved by not hiring mercenaries can be used in other places, particularly if we plan to purchase Angers, which I support.

Also, getting an alliance with the Scots is important. They may dress funny, but they'll serve as a counterweight to the English.

[Andres]

Thierry bursts out in laughter as he hears Hermant Mauvoisin's words. Finally, he manages to take a deep breath and speaks, his voice barely under control:

A PROPERLY constituted crusade?

Thierry bursts out in laughter again, tears in his eyes. He slams his fists a few times on his table while laughing and finally seems to calm down.

Not a profiteering venture?

Thierry laughs again and almost falls of his chair. He reaches for his stomache.

"Woohooohooo, really now, really. This is too much."

Thierry almost suffocates when he laughs again. He slams his fist on the table in front of him again and again but can't seem to stop laughing. Finally, after several minutes passed, he gets control over himself again.

"You guys of the flowery Order should all exchange your armour for Jester uniforms and go out to entertain Kings and Emperors! This is just too much.

Thierry starts slamming his fist on the table again, tears in his eyes while he continues to laugh for what seems an eternity.

[econ21]

Hermant rises:

"I confess, Chevalier de Rochefort, that I would make a poor jester, lacking your rare wit. The art of repeating a man's words is too subtle form of humour for me to grasp. But doubtless everyone else is as amused by your comic rhetoric as you yourself are."

[Andres]

As soon as Hermant raises, Thierry bursts out in laughter again, hardly understanding what the man says. The scribe next to him starts to feel embarassed, but doesn't dare to say a word, knowing the rumours about the temper of Chevalier de Rochefort.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

Again, I point to the timeline of the Crusade. We have plenty of time to endear ourselves to the Pope and get his approval before we set out. It's not as if we need to set out now.

[AussieGiant]

Alain bows to Duc Raymond.

"My lord, it is good to have someone else challenge for the position. I wish you good luck."

Casting a disapproving glance at Rochefort, the young Duke pulls a handkerchief from his sleeve and places it on the bench before Thierry.

"Good god man, get a grip will you. Wipe away zose tears and try and maintain some composure."

Shaking his head he sits down, which puts him eye to eye with his poodle. Medoc looks at the duke then at Thierry and then back at the duke, the dog is clearly unimpressed.

"Do not look at me like zat!! You convinced me to take 'im in, you silly 'ound."

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville rises to speak.

"Bons messieurs, I would humbly ask that edict 1.6 - mon edict - be withdrawn, and replaced with the following edict.

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.

Will we stoop to purchasing land off our foes? Bretagne is currently cut off from the rest of the Regnum, however, I believe that men and supplies could be sent by sea to supply the Duchie's needs.

For if we purchased Anjou off the Normans, where would the Norman garrison go? It may well decide to wander off and begin pillaging the countryside, causing a war with disastrous consequences.

I believe that every amount of gold we can save will be necessary in order to rebuild our land after the centuries of strife and turmoil. Our roi has decreed that war shall not be declared with the Normans, and therefore I say that we do not line their coffers any further, lest they use it to strengthen their arm even more.

Gaspard resumes his seat.

[Ituralde]

Mon Roi, Nobles of the Realm!

It is with great regret that I have to inform you that my father, the Count of Montpierre has passed away unexpectedly. As his eldest son it is my duty to handle the succession. It's not that simple of a matter though. I will have to be there personally and will have to withdraw from Paris immediatelly. Once things are settled I shall return to serve my King once more.

I have left my voting choices with one of the clerks. I hope they can be considered.

I bid you farewell!

With a bow Simon leaves the Council Chambers.

[_Tristan_]

So Sieur de Neufville, you pretend to know what is best for the Kingdom better than your King ?

The Normans, true to their ancestry of pillagers, are greedy bastards, my cousin the first among them. I think it would be a shame not to exploit that weakness to break the siege situation which Bretagne is suffering right now.

I will concede that it is not the best of solutions but we cannot go to war with the English and we need to bring relief to Bretagne.

Can you find another solution ?

At least, I will ask you to rescind your Edict as it is too binding on the Seneschal. As you may have noticed, I have not proposed any legislation towards buying Angers as I intended my proposal to be a guideline for the Seneschal rather than an order.

As to Edict 1.8, I will support it but will ask Sieur de Linars to rewrite it notably the part about having our diplomat remain near the Scottish capital à perpetuité. I would very much prefer a statement that this diplomat shall remain on the British Isle, thus enabling him to conduct business both with Scotland and England rather than limit his scope.

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard turns to Philippe.

Mon roi, you asked for your nobles advice - I merely gave mine.

I believe in relieving the state of Bretagne, but not by bargaining with the Normans. And indeed, if the Normans be as greedy as you say - for I would not know, being born and bred in Bourgogne - such a beneficial deal to the Regnum could hardly be concluded.

I fear, mon Roi, I cannot rescind the edict. Otherwise, I may as well pack mon bags, saddle mon horses, and return to mon estates right now. If such an edict passed, it would have the support of the majority of your nobles; if it failed, it would not have such support.

If you were to rule the Regnum without a Seneschal, I would most certainly refrain from binding mon roi.

Gaspard respectfully resumes his seat.

[ULC]

Gaetan and rises, a look of incredulity upon his face.

"All due respect Gaspard - but favor does not come with being cheeky to your sovereign unless he asks you to jest before him. What you propose, is that the Royaume send ships to aid Rennes, but do you not see the logistical feet your asking?"

"No settlement in possession of the Royaume could construct the ships needed, not for quite sometime, and the only nearby settlement that can do so with expediency is Bruges or Provence, and one of those is controlled by the Germans."

"Then, we ust contend with the English where they are most comfortable, upon the sea, and if you concur with their greed, then you would realize they would capitalize upon such easy prey for them."

Gaetan shakes his head and seats himself, having said his part.

[_Tristan_]

Sieur de Rethel, I thank you...

I did not mean to linger upon the lacks of Sieur de Neufville's reasoning but seeing how stubborn he is in supporting such a course of action, I thank you for sparing me the statement of the obvious.

Anyway, as it seems you have chosen to defy the will of your King, you are forcing my hand and that of the soon appointed Seneschal. Your Edict has not gain supporters yet but should it gain enough to be proposed before the Conseil in the voting session, I cannot allow for this opportunity to be closed to our Seneschal simply because, you, Sieur de Neufville, consider it inappropriate.

So, I will propose the following legislation :

Edict 1.10 : The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.

[OverKnight]

Hugues speaks.

I second Edict 1.10. I am glad that the Edict leaves a bit of wriggle room in case the English demand too high of a price.

It galls me a bit to pay for land which rightfully belongs to the Kingdom. However if succesful we will reunite Bretagne with the rest of the realm and split the English holdings while avoiding a war we are not ready for. A bitter truth, but there it is.

[Vladimir]

So Sieur de Neufville, you pretend to know what is best for the Kingdom better than your King ?

The Normans, true to their ancestry of pillagers, are greedy bastards, my cousin the first among them. I think it would be a shame not to exploit that weakness to break the siege situation which Bretagne is suffering right now.

I will concede that it is not the best of solutions but we cannot go to war with the English and we need to bring relief to Bretagne.

Can you find another solution ?

At least, I will ask you to rescind your Edict as it is too binding on the Seneschal. As you may have noticed, I have not proposed any legislation towards buying Angers as I intended my proposal to be a guideline for the Seneschal rather than an order.

As to Edict 1.8, I will support it but will ask Sieur de Linars to rewrite it notably the part about having our diplomat remain near the Scottish capital à perpetuité. I would very much prefer a statement that this diplomat shall remain on the British Isle, thus enabling him to conduct business both with Scotland and England rather than limit his scope.

Mon Rei,

The wording of edict 1.8 is deliberate. It does not prevent the diplomat from accomplishing other duties. The alliance with and existence of the Kingdom of the Scots is vital to our interests. Even though a faction will always have a capital, it will not always be the same city. Our diplomat must remain cognizant of the location and status of their capital which is why he should remain there à perpetuité [thanks for that phrase ~;)].

I believe in the utility of assigning diplomats by region, but the importance of this relationship cannot be understated.

:bow:

[econ21]

I second Edict 1.10. The isolation of Bretagne is insufferable, but if it may be ended by peaceful means rather than war, then we must try.

[_Tristan_]

Sieur de Linars,

While I understand your concern that we must maintain a degree of cooperation with the Ecossais, I do not want to tie our diplomats' hands, in Scotland or elsewhere. Maybe you could rephrase your edict with a provision like this one :

Addendum to Edict 1.8 : The diplomat will remain at the most one season's march away from the Scottish capital at all times.

This would enable him to conduct other, and more covert, duties or even enable him to conduct business with my cousin's cronies to the South.

What do you think, Sieur de Linars ? Is it acceptable to you ?

[_Tristan_]

Spotting Hermant Mauvoisin in the assembly, Philippe calls after him.

Mauvoisin,

A few days ago, you came to me with an offer of service. Does it still stands ? For if it does and my have employment for you and your company of chevaliers.

While our friends from Lorraine march to reclaim Metz, I have decided to set out and march on Bruges if you would follow me there.

I'll give my regards to the Comte de Flandres myself... at the point of my sword.

[Vladimir]

Mon Roi [had to review the "Frenchified" thread],

A wise and noble suggestion indeed. I hereby propose a modification to edict 1.8 as follows:

Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.

:bow:

[econ21]

Hermant rises at the King's mention of his name:

My King, the Company had planned to support the march on Metz, believing that quest was your priority. But following you in person to Bruges would be a greater glory. I will relay your will to my brother knights.

He bows and hurries from the Council hall.

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis sneers at Gaspard de Neufville before announcing,

I second Edict 1.10.

I would further propose, not as an edict but as a matter of common sense, that all those lacking the grace the rudest peasant would possess to bow to the expressed wishes of their King be excused from this chamber. More specifically, you, Sir Gaspard de Neufville. It was not enough that you revealed your foolishness by standing above your station for Seneschal, but now you greedily seek to block your King and his chosen taskmaster from their course.

It is precisely because of base blooded treacherous curs of your ilk that our great land has fallen so far. You've been instructed to withdraw your edict. It is an act of hideous disloyalty to stand here, before God and King, and refuse their authority.

To whom is this man sworn? Is there a Duke who will answer for his actions?

By the end of his outburst Louis' face has darkened and spittle flies from his lips as the words pour forth. He looks expectantly at the Dukes, now disregarding Gaspard de Neufville entirely.

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Hugues raises an eyebrow at the Prince's display.

Chevalier de Neufville is sworn to the Duc de Bourgogne my Dread Dauphin.

While I think that Gaspard's edict is rubbish and that he could benefit from a longer look at our Charter, he has the right to propose one Edict in the Conseil. If we cannot do that here free from intimidation, there seems little point in the proceedings.

If the Edict is truly repugnant to his Majesty, he may use his veto. Though a lack of seconds will most likely doom it first.

Edit: Reeves has updated the list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1) of Legislation again.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
Proposed: Gontran de Linars
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

[Cecil XIX]

Duc Raymon de Provence stands.

Sir Gaspard de Neufville is my man, my Dauphin. Though I do not support his edict, he has my full support in proposing it. If this body cannot even entertain thoughts that are not favored by his majesty, then may I ask what purpose it is to serve?

Although I am skeptical that the Normans will and over the Duchy of Anjou for a fair price, if they are willing to accept a price such that we may recoup the losses before my prospective term expires than I fully support the endeavour. Such would be the conditions I would have the Princess negotiate with, unless his majesty would prefer a different criteria.

[AussieGiant]

After seeing two Dukes rise and make their statements, Alain is absentmindedly stroking Medoc's head as he casts his gaze towards the Dauphin and his response.

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince's face reddens even more on hearing the word 'intimidation,' but a glance at his father visibly halts the progression of his anger. Fists clenched he speaks in a low but controlled voice to the Dukes,

Gentlemen we shall each be responsible for the behavior of our vassals in this chamber. It is not necessary to propose only such legislation as the King prefers, but it is necessary not to directly challenge his will. Is this distinction clear?

Gaspard de Neufville has twice now stood above his station. First in suggesting his candidacy for Seneschal, and second in suggesting his absurd edict. Not only this, he withdrew a prior edict he had proposed, one which was at least moderately proper, and instead proposed this one in haste with no other purpose than to subvert the King's will. It is not acceptable.

I ask, as one Duke to another, that you, Duke Raymond, have a word with this man on proper behavior and decorum in this chamber, and the respect due to a King, from whose authority descends our own.

If you will not have a word with him I will.

Louis regards all three Dukes expectantly.

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

In contrast to the controlled anger from the Dauphin, the young Duke continues to pat his enormous poodle. Rather sardonically and with a flippant tone he says to Raymond from his seat.

"Seems fair enough to me Duc Raymond.

We can not be having zis type of be'aviour in ze Council.

We are not English for evens sake."

[OverKnight]

Hugues looks a bit quizical and speaks to the Dauphin.

But Highness, de Neufville is not your vassal. He is not even the vassal of your vassal. However, your devotion to your Majestic Father and his prerogatives is very filial of you.

Long live the King.

[Cecil XIX]

I would be happy to instruct my vassal on proper decorum, but as far as I can tell he needs no lesson from me. He as already apologized profusely for his early mistake of offering himself for Seneschal, and I've assumed the matter closed.

In regards to Edict 1.9, I see no insult to his majesty, intentional or otherwise, in either the wording nor the proposal. I should hope that Chevalier Gaspard would show his own Duc the respect he has shown the King in this regard.

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince has taken hold of himself, but still his words are terse and forced,

Indeed, long live the King.

What troubles me about this proposal, as I believed I had already made clear, is that it is a direct challenge to the announced intent of our King. It is as though some fool proposed an edict declaring war on England despite the King's having signed a truce. This body does not exist to contravene or subvert the will of it's King, but to aid and abet that will.

I am pleased that this bit of trash has not been seconded, but I remain disturbed that any noble in service to my father would have the termerity to propose it in the first place. There may come a day when you give your vassal an order in battle, reliant on the natural authority that descends to you from your King and God, and find that he has some other fool idea and wants to piss about and argue with you rather than follow. So, I say once more, if you will not have a word with him on the proper way to respect the authority of his King I will do so in my own way.

In further business I have an amendment to propose:

Amendment 1.2 The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.

This is necessary to ensure that our great nation does not become entangled with the infidels through trade or treaty.

:egypt:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

*Raynaud rises immediately after the proposed Amendment is brought forth.*

Helping and aiding the heretic is the quickest way to damnation yourself and is entirely improper of a true Christian nation like ourselves. I second this noble Amendment 1.2.

[OverKnight]

Reeves hands a slip of parchment to Hugues and whispers something to him.

Really? Hmm.

Hugues speaks to the Conseil.

I am afraid amendment 1.2 would diminish the power of the King. As it stands now, only the King can unilaterally decide to declare war or not outside of a Conseil session as clearly spelled out in the Charter:


(6) Can declare war on any faction at any time, for any reason.

This amendment would allow any noble the ability to start a war with any Muslim faction if they came within arms reach. Anyone could grab a cog, land their personal retinue in Africa or Granada and start their own war right away.

Surely we trust the wisdom of the King more than the average noble when it comes to the timing and implementation of a declaration of war?

I am afraid I cannot support such a weakening of the King's power.

Edit: Also, Reeves has updated the list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1) of Legislation again.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
Proposed: Gontran de Linars
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles

[KnightnDay]

Thomas rises and bows to the price before speaking to the conseil.

"Most respectfully, Highness, I am compelled to agree with the Duc. Not only is the power of the king diminished by such an amendment, it still further deprives him the right to hear from this conseil the opinions regarding such acts. Insofar as he has willed that we meet together to advise in matters of the state and not presume his intentions, it would be inappropriate to favor such legislation as has been proposed. To accord me or indeed any man here, the authority to make war with the Sultan of the Moors, the Turks, and the Egyptian Pharaoh without consent of those empowered to govern is a dangerous notion that weakens us all."

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince nods thoughtfully in regard to these points before turning to the King,

Mon Pere I would hear your opinion of the matter. If you wish it I will withdraw or alter the amendment, but I do believe it to be of considerable importance that we refrain from making treaties with the heathens. Can we all agree that this latter should be the case, even if we wish to protect the King's power to declare war?

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

Indeed, the logic behind Amendment 1.2 is sound.

However, my Prince, I must protest your speaking to my vassal directly in such a way. He is not under your authority, and when any complaints travel through the fuedal tree they should go through all layers.

[AussieGiant]

Both eyebrows are raised rather quickly at the recent discussions. The Duc seems torn between speaking and holding his tongue. This plays quite expressively across his face and draws the attention of his poodle Medoc.

The great hound tilts its head inquisitively as it tries to determine just what is going on in his masters brain. Finally the boyish Duke stands:

"If ze proposed amendment from ze Dauphin limited its scope to everything but war, zen I believe zis would solve ze conundrum."

Medoc barks an agreement.

[Vladimir]

*Gontran's head pokes up*

Surely we cannot trade with these Muslim heathens. Their savage and barbarous actions set our ancestors back hundreds of years. I cannot, in good conscious, trade a single florin with those who pillaged the bulb of the fleur de lys.

Any act of aggression on their behalf should count as an act of war. I believe the amendment should be modified to reflect this.

[Andres]

Thierry raises.

I don't see a problem with the Amendment.


The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.

The Amendment doesn't contradict with the rule that the King can declare war on any faction at any time for any reason. The King keeps his powers and is in no way limited by the Amendment, in my opinion.

[_Tristan_]

My son, you know me for a man of faith, a true believer in the teachings of our Mere l'Eglise.

Thus, I cannot tolerate to think that our Royaume will stoop to enter into treaty, be it for trade, with any Muslim nation. But sometimes things need to be written in law to prevent them from being forgotten.

So I will second Edict 1.2 if my son would only rewrite or strike out the last part of his proposal.

I do not like the idea of any minor noble entangling us in war with any Muslim nation on a whim. It could have dire consequences for the realm. However, I'll be amenable to any demand from Our nobility should it require to launch an attack on the mécréants. I'm open to sensible suggestions on that matter.

Speaking of war, it seems I have not made myself clear enough as regards the English presence on French soil. It boils my blood just thinking of the depredations committed against our countrymen, the riches of France taken across la Manche to Albion. But I have entered into an agreement with my cousin William and I will not see my word broken by power- and land-hungry nobles.

Word has it that some among your numbers are thinking of doing just that, making look either a fool for not being able to rein in my vassaux or a oath-breaker for saying one thing and doing another.

And this I will not tolerate !!

To that purpose, I will propose the following legislation :

Edict 1.11 : No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.

I'll be waiting to see who are the supporters of this Edict.

As to the matter of the Sieur de Neufville's Edict, I will concede the point that this Conseil has been created so that the Nobles of France could voice their concerns and make proposals as to how our Royaume should be led.

But remember, all of you, that I rule from divine mandate and that my word is law. Hence, when I speak my will, I will not see it contradicted directly though I could forgive if such a challenge came from a Duke and was more carefully worded than Sieur de Neufville's edict.

All the proposed legislation I've seen so far is sensible and will help France in those difficult times. The Edicts and Amendments proposed are strong but easy-to-follow guidelines for our Seneschal. This gives my confidence in the continuance and future of this legislative body.

Sieur de Neufville, know that I hold no grudge against you. You have spoken your mind, put your head into the lion's mouth, so to speak. That requires "courage" even if it borders of follishness. I hope you will show that same kind of bravery on the battlefield when it will be time to cast the English back overseas.

Sieur Mauvoisin, I hope your consultation with your peers will lead to you marching with me. I expect to test your valour soon and see if my trust in the Order de la Fleur de Lys was well placed.

[OverKnight]

Hugues speaks.

I will second Edict 1.11.

Also, just to clarify your Majesty, you were referring to the Dauphin revising Amendment 1.2, not Edict 1.2, correct? Both were proposed by the Prince. The scribes wish to know, but are too scared to ask.

Edit: Speaking of the scribes, the list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1) of Legislation has been updated.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
Proposed: Gontran de Linars
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe de Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles

[Andres]

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

[ULC]

My King, could I ask you to add a paragraph to your proposed Edict, reading as such:

For the purpose of this Edict, an individual nobleman, escorted only by his bodyguards, is not considered to be an army.

Some may argue, for pure political gain of course, that a single chevalier and his trusted guards is "an army". I'm sure this isn't your intention, mon Roi, but not everybody is as noble as you.

I think it's best to prevent all misunderstandings. We don't want an Edict that could be interpreted as an interdiction for the noblemen living in Bretagne to come to Paris to attend the meetings of the Conseil.

"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

[AussieGiant]

"I will also second Edict 1.11 .

In addition I believe ze issue wiz ze Dauphin's Amendment 1.2 is zat it "allows" any noble to declare war on be'alf of ze entire realm, therefore it is not purely ze power of ze King.

Zat, is by definition a delusion of power.

Zat is why if ze amendment is changed to reference everyzing BUT declarations of war, it would not cause zis delusion."

The last sentence is said with some hesitancy and immediately the young Duke checks some notes, finally he nods to himself that he has the details correct.

At this time a impressively beautiful page saunters into the Chamber and hands Alain note. He reads it carefully, then looking back at the messenger he double takes in awe at the stunning face before him. Motioning with a slow finger to come closer, he suddenly grabs the page and proceeds to plant an enormously loud long kiss.

The page blushes furiously nearly running from the chamber, but not quick enough to avoid a hard slap on a very firm round rump.

"It is good to be ze Duke sometimes!!"

[Andres]

"Although I take no issue with the idea of what you are proposing Thierry de Rochefort, I would take issue with the fact that it allows a single nobleman, escorted by his bodyguards, to be followed by a series of some such bodyguards, who then assemble upon the siege of a Castle or City, and proceed to declare war and capture the settlement or die trying."

"What you propose is a loophole that can be exploited, and that is, both in spirit and in will, against the wishes of our King."

So, you would, for instance, take issue if me and my Duke would travel from Rennes to Paris together?

That's absurd!

[OverKnight]

Hugues nods at de Rochefort.

I'm afraid even the passage of a small amount of men through their lands may endanger the truce. The English are a touchy lot. (OOC: Even a bodyguard unit can cause a relations drop by crossing the border without military access.)

If needed the Seneschal could ask the English for permission to cross their territory, but I'm not sure how popular that would be with the King, the Conseil or in London.

[Andres]

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

[ULC]

Oh great.

So, how are the noblemen of House Bretagne supposed to go back home after this Conseil has ended?

Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

[Andres]

Gaetan raises an eyebrow in confusion.

"Thierry de Rochefort, I must ask - how did they get here in the first place? How did you? Did God himself take you from Rennes and drop you upon Paris safely? No, I think not, and what you propose does more harm then good."

We got here by travelling. You know, you mount a horse and ride towards your destination.

The Edict 1.11, as interpreted by some nitpickers like Duke Hugues here, would forbid Duke de Rohan and his vassals to travel back to Rennes.

[OverKnight]

Hugues shakes his head.

I was thinking of proposing an Edict to build an adequate fleet to keep Bretagne connected to the rest of the Kingdom, but our only port is in Acquitaine.

The lack of any port facilities on the Atlantic is alarming. I hope either building a port or taking a city with one will be a priority for the Seneschal and the Dukes. I'm a bit landlocked at the moment myself so. . .

Though the King's drive on Bruges may resolve this eventually.

Worst comes to worst we could try to sneak a fleet around Spain.

OOC: Generally speaking in the PBMs, characters can usually make it to the Senate/Diet/Magnaura/Conseil meetings in person. The Edict only covers in game travel.

[_Tristan_]

From my understanding Sieur de Rochefort, you are here under a laissez-passer from my cousin Guillaume which allows you and your retinue to come before this assembly and return peacefully to your fief (OOC : My IC explanation to what OK mentioned hereabove...:juggle2:)

I see no reason for my cousin to refuse another such laissez-passer should you require it, while we remain under a state of truce. But I do not think he would take kindly to you and your men marching under arms through what he thinks of as his territory. I know him to be a bit "territorial" and I think all our efforts would be for nothing if scores of French nobles went gallivanting through his lands.

So I will not change a word to my proposed Edict. If you want to be able to cross from Bretagne to any other point of France under arms, you should maybe ask our soon-to-be-appointed Seneschal to try and negociate a military access from my cousin.

As to the scribes' concerns, Hugues, I meant to have my son modify his Amendment not his Edict.

[Andres]

With all due respect, mon Roi, but your Edict doesn't make that distinction.

If we want to go from Paris to Rennes, then there's no other choice then to pass English lands. Your Edict forbids that, so doing so would be a violation of the Edict, as it is worded now.


OOC: I know that OOC there's no problem to come to the Conseil in person, but it makes no sense IC, so Thierry will probably keep hammering on this. If the Edict passes, then I'll ask Zim to put my avatar in Paris as starting position. For RP'ing purposes, it just seems wrong to me to be able to "fly" to Paris every 10 years without it being considered a breach of the law IC :shrug:

[_Tristan_]

You're welcome to remain in Paris, de Rochefort, if you fear the treachery of my cousin. I could have use of you in taking Bruges.

From there, you would be able to take ship to go back to Bretagne and hence, follow the letter of the law.

I will nevertheless change a few words to my Edict to make provisions for such situations as those you have pointed out.

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.

OOC: I do not see the problem, Andres. In either KotR or LotR, we had avatars crossinig lines upon lines of enemy provinces to be present in the Diet or Magnaura and this wothout causing the slightest concern, even though some were even under siege. But I can understand the dichotomy it creates but I've chosen to work around it.

[OverKnight]

Hugues rubs the bridge of his nose.

Well, perhaps what we need is a really tremendous catapult. Something that could fling Chevalier de Rochefort a great distance. . .for the purpose of transporting him over English lands of course.

[econ21]

Your Majesty, the Order will ride on Bruges in support of your attack. Some of us are mustering in Reims, but are in easy reach of Bruges. Whoever we elect as Captain will coordinate with you in the offensive.

[OOC: Tristan and the Order Captain should coordinate over attacking Bruges - simplest if the Order Captain just let's Tristan move our company, but could be done in other ways that they can work out IC or OOC.]

[Andres]

Thierry bows towards the King.

Thank you for addressing my concerns, mylord.

If my Duke allows it, I'd be honored to help you with capturing Bruges, be it to watch and learn under your command or as the commanding officer of your army; whatever suits you best.

Thierry then turns his head towards Duke de Champagne, a calm expression on his face and his eyes cold as ice.

Funny, Duke de Champagne, really funny.

Maybe one day I will give you the honor of being the first test subject of such a device. I'll try to make sure your body doesn't get reduced into a bloody pulp.

[OverKnight]

Hugues laughs.

I thought smashing tankards over the heads of unsuspecting men was more your style Chevalier.

[Andres]

Thierry smiles at de Champagne.

Only idiots don't watch their backs, Duke de Champagne.

[AussieGiant]

Turning to Hugues.

"I told you before Duc de Champagne.

He bites, so apologies in advance."

[Ignoramus]

In response to his sovereign's words, Gaspards rises to speak.

"Mon Roi, forgive mon lack of deference. It is a sore point with me to pay for lands which should be ours by right. It shall be a pleasure charging into the thick of a melee in your name. When the time comes, you will not find me lacking against le Anglais!"

[Marcus Agrippa]

I second Edict 1.11 also.
The kings word is law.

[ULC]

Gaetan's eye's narrow at Thierry's words.

"Only fools do not watch their tongues, de Rochefort"

[Andres]

Thierry stares back at Gaethan.

You should watch yours closely Gaethan, if you don't want to find it on your plate for diner.

Thierry looks at the King and then stares back at Gaethan.

But maybe we should continue our discussion about extravagant gastronomy another time.

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis bows his head before the King's advice and issues his amendment so changed:

Amendment 1.2 The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and nobles shall have the right to petition the King for a declaration of war at any provocation from the heathens, most especially including the tresspass of agents or armies onto French soil.

I also second edict 1.11 (As altered).

I see that the matter of de Neufville's nonsesnse has been resolved to the King's evident satisfaction, and so I withdraw my complaint. Be warned though (The Prince pauses to glare at Gaspard and Beretin as his voices hardens) that further abridgements of propriety will not be met so lightly for my part. We are not a sty full of squabbling pigs but a noble body, and it is our obligation to observe the natural chain of authority. History is littered with states which failed due to rebelliousness and a lack of respect for authority. The Frankish people do not deserve to be allowed to fall into such vile ignominy.

I will not allow it! No matter the cost.

As soon as he returns to his seat the Prince's face clears of anger, however, and on seeing Duke de Rohan's thwacking of the page's bottom he gives the man an appreciative nod.

:egypt:

[TinCow]

I second Amendment 1.2

[AussieGiant]

Smiling cheekily at the Dauphin, Alain mouths the words:

"All my page boy's are actually wenches."

Quickly straightening his face and standing.

"I second Amendment 1.2!!"

Sitting back down he slaps Medoc on the nose for no apparent reason, the great hound simply ignores his master and stares at the rump of the departing pageboy, his tongue hanging a little further out of his mouth than normal.

[Rowan]

A man stands up from the benches at the sides

I second Amendment 1.2, he shouts and then promptly sits down again.

[_Tristan_]

Though it is not neccessary, I will also second Amendment 1.2

Philippe gives a brief nod to his son, full of respect.

[Cecil XIX]

Your majesty, though I agree with the principle of Edict 1.11, it seems to me that under it's present wording nobles would be forbidden from crossing into Norman lands, even if the Seneschal were to obtain permission from William the Bastard. Is that your will, my King?

[_Tristan_]

Why, Duke Raymond but you are right !!! Though I'm not sure Guillaume would grant us passage through his lands, I can certainly provide for such a situation in the law.

What I do not want, as I've made already clear, is to see French nobles use this as a means to provoke the English and lead us in a war we cannot afford to lead at this point.

But, your point is a valid one, Raymond.

Hence, I propose the following :

Addendum to Edict 1.11 : Said edict will be suspended if the Seneschal successfully negociates military access or an alliance with England , and while that agreement lasts.

[OverKnight]

An ink stained scribe groggily comes into the Conseil and distrubutes the revised list (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2291104&postcount=1) of Legislation.

*Edict 1.1: No recruitment of any kind will be allowed in towns or castles that do not have at least a small church or chapel and either farms (OOC : lvl 1) or a grain exchange. However, if a foreign nation (OOC: "Rebels" do not qualify as "foreign nation")would declare war or would commit an act of war against the Royaume of France, the current Edict will become null and void and there will be no restrictions on recruitment until all wars with foreign nations are ended.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Prince Louis, Simon de Montpierre

*Edict 1.2: Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Christophe de Perronne, King Philippe

*Edict 1.3: The Seneshal will recruit three clergymen to spread the faith in our regions and reduce the Heretics that plague our country.
Proposed: Simon de Montpierre
Seconded: Alexandre Le Sueur, Raynaud de Xaintrailles

Edict 1.4: Mercenary crossbowmen and spearmen will be recruited Immediately to aid Thomas de Saint-Amand in capturing Metz.
Proposed: Bertin de Montsault
Seconded:

*Edict 1.5: The Seneschal is instructed to begin assembling generals and men necessary for a Crusade with a target of Cordoba (This is a declaration of war against the Moors). By the end of his term, the Crusade is to have officially set out for its target. The Seneschal is to work toward granting the Pope’s approval for this Holy mission, but the Crusade will begin with or without his blessing. The King is to endeavor to evenly distribute captured Moorish settlements among the Houses.
Proposed: Raynaud de Xaintrailles
Seconded: Prince Louis, Thierry de Rochefort

Edict 1.6: Should an army be sent to bring the Comte de Flandres back into the Regnum Francorum, it must be lead by a Burgundian.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.7: At least one diplomat will be recruited and sent to Spain and Portugal to negociate an alliance and military access.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Simon de Montpierre

Edict 1.8: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat shall remained in [adjacent] the Scottish capital for perpetuity.
*Edict 1.8.1: The Kingdom of France shall immediately secure an alliance with the Kingdom of Scotland. A diplomat shall be hired immediately to secure this alliance. The diplomat will remain, at most, one season's ride away from the Scottish capital.
Proposed: Gontran de Linars
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe Perronne

Edict 1.9: No land may be purchased off the English for the duration of this Seneschal's term.
Proposed: Gaspard de Neufville
Seconded:

*Edict 1.10: The Seneschal will strive to buy Angers from the English during his term and at the earliest opportunity. The Princess Constance may be sent to parlay with the English but no later than three seasons (OOC 3 turns) when she will make her way to Rome. If no accord has been reached then, a diplomat will be recruited for that purpose. This edict will take precedence over Edicts 1.7 and 1.8. Once Angers is bought, the diplomat will either be sent south or north according to Edicts 1.7 or 1.8.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Prince Louis

Edict 1.11: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
Edict 1.11.1: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict.
*Edict 1.11.2: No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict. Said edict will be suspended if the Seneschal successfully negociates military access or an alliance with England , and while that agreement lasts.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Hugues de Champagne, Alain de Rohan

*Amendment 1.1: The maximum number of priests available at any time will have to be recruited by the appointed Seneschal at the time, provided enough funds are available. That recruitment shall be done prior to any other recruitment. This amendment can be temporarily suspended if all French settlements (home territory or conquests) are above 90% Catholic.
Proposed: King Philippe
Seconded: Raymond de Provence, Hermant Mauvoisin

Amendment 1.2: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and no official declaration of war is necessary before attacking a Muslim faction's armies, fleets, or cities.
*Amendment 1.2.1: The nation of France does not acknowledge the authority or existence of heathen nations. As such no diplomatic agreements of any kind are permitted with Muslim factions, and nobles shall have the right to petition the King for a declaration of war at any provocation from the heathens, most especially including the tresspass of agents or armies onto French soil.
Proposed: Prince Louis
Seconded: Raynaud de Xaintrailles, Christophe Perrone

[_Tristan_]

The King makes his entry into the Conseil chambers.

"Sa majesté le Roi !!" cries the Herald.

Salutation, mes seigneurs

I wish to congratulate Duc Alain de Rohan for his election to the position of Senechal.

I'm sure the Kingdom will be well led in the seasons to come under such a guidance.

I hope Duc Raymond is not too disappointed. This election was not a judgment on his abilities but simply a statement of the collective will of the majority of your peers.

Lastly, I wish to you all the best of luck in the endeavours of the next few years, which I think will see our swords get bloodied.

[_Tristan_]

I'm glad that most of our proposed legislation has been adopted.

As to the Crusade proposal, though it failed, I'm sure it was only because it has been proposed too early.

Let's discuss the matter with Sa Sainteté and bring him to support us in this.

[Ramses II CP]

I join you in congratulating Duke de Rohan and I concur Mon Pere, that there is time yet to see the Crusade win support from the nobility of France, upholders of the code of Chivalry. Indeed, just because the Edict did not pass does not mean we can't find ourselves in position sometime within Duke de Rohan's term to begin preparations for it, especially if the Pope looks fondly on our ambition.

Now, too, we will see the worth of William's word. I pray that he shows your truce the same respect the men of France owe it!

Before I depart for the south I invite all Tournament participants to drink on my florin at the Tavern one last time. May God grant you victory and valor in the fields of battle as you showed on the field in Paris!

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

Alain stands, bowing formally to the King and Dauphin, he seems a little embarassed.

He turns to Duc Raymond.

"My Lord Duc, firstly let me say it was an 'onour and a priviledge to compete against you, not only in ze tournament but also 'ere for ze position of Senechal."

He now addresses the chamber in general.

"My Lords, I zank you for your support and faith in me. I am sure we will see and experience many zings in ze next ten seasons and zat by ze end of my term we will 'ave achieved much."

[_Tristan_]

The King storms in the Conseil.

A scribe !! I need a scribe !!

A scribe hurries to the King.

Take note and send this message post-haste to the "Captain" of the Ordre de la Fleur de Lys.

The scribe quickly sets to writing, while the King dictates.

Sieur de Rethel,

Captain,

I had hoped your Order would be more respectful of my orders. Your orders were to meet me on the march to Bruges, not to lay siege to that city.

Don't you think that if I had wished to see Bruges under siege it would have been ? (OOC : Philippe had enough movement left to do it)

I have been negociating with some parties in the city and to do this, I need them to be able to come and go at will, which your current siege is preventing.

So I will ask you to break the siege at once. Or I will relieve you of your command and do it myself. I will also ask you to join me at the earliest opportunity to fill the ranks of the Royaume's army under my command.

I hope you will serve me better in years to come.

Par la Grâce de Dieu,

Philippe
Roi des Francs

The scribe stopped writing. He quickly rolled the parchment and put a seal of wax. He then presented the rolled-up parchment to Philippe, which quickly applied his seal before returning the parchment.

Send it with the fastest courier you can find and hurry.

The scribe almost ran out of the chamber, if only to be outof reach of Philippe's wrath.

[AussieGiant]

"Yes it did seem a razer ballsy move to go and seige Bruges."

With some heavy sarcasm Alain continues;

"It is good to see ze Order showing its true colours so early in ze piece."

[econ21]

Hermant stands up indignantly:

"Seneschal! The true colours of the Order are blue with the golden fleur de lys, same as His Majesty Our King! If you cleave any of us, you will find we bleed true with the same colours and die with the word "France" on our lips.

I regret that there has been a miscommunication with the King over the drive on Bruges, but such things happen in war. For our part, we will strive to coordinate better with the army commanders we support. For your part, we would ask for a little charity. We are young, Duc, and are learning. We all must start somewhere, whether it be as lowly knights in service of our King or as great Seneschals."

Hermant bows courteously at the Seneschal and sits down promptly.

[AussieGiant]

Alain smiles at the reaction.

"Excellent, defensive and beligerant as well. Zis is very appropriate for Knights of France.

I 'ope we do not 'ave any more 'uncoordinated' events Ser Hermant. It is not as if we are famous for going off 'half cocked' as zay say in English."

[Cecil XIX]

Your majesty, nobles of France, Seneschal: Forgive my lateness for saying so, but I would like to congratulate Duc Alain de Rohan for his victory in the election. I look forward to seeing a stronger France in the coming years.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Raynaud de Xaintrailles:

I have already congratulated the Prince in private, but I would like to say it publicly that I salute him on his marriage to such a proper and holy woman in the Princess Theresa, and wish them many fine children. All involved in the negotations have shown gret skill and proves that France is blessed indeed.

[Cecil XIX]

Indeed, congratulations to Prince for finding such a fine bride. And congratulations to the Princess for such smooth negotiations. Here's to the future heirs of France!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

HERE HERE!!!! To the Prince and Princess!

[econ21]

Congratulations to the Prince on his marriage - and to our Seneschal for forging an alliance with Spain. This is most fortuitous and will facilitate our efforts to stop the Moors from making further inroads into Europe!

The Duke of Lorraine is also to be saluted on taking Metz so speedily and with almost no loss. May it be the first of many victories, although I fear we will be hard pushed to live up to his example.

[OverKnight]

Hugues speaks.

Congratulations to the Dauphin and his new bride. I wish them many fat and happy children. Our own Princess Constance is quite the matchmaker and skilled diplomat.

Hugues nods to Hermant.

A stroke of good fortune at Metz. The rebel Captain threw himself upon our lances during an ill timed sally. Bertin de Montsault and Thomas de Saint-Amand and their companies fought well in a sharp melee with him.

It seems the Germans are taking a tour of our Kingdom. I hope when they realize that the rebel pickings in the area have thinned out they will go home.

Also to the Seneschal, if you're are not too busy swimming the channel: Bertin and I are more than willing to construct watchtowers on our new borders. Just don't send us more than a season's march from Metz if you would. Of course if the Germans become more active our focus will be on them.

(OOC: You have permission to move Hugues and Bertin if we haven't moved them ourselves by the end of the turn to establish watchtowers.)

Oh and Duc Alain, you mentioned building a mustering hall at Metz in the reports, but it appears work has stopped. Perhaps a quick note to the foreman would clear the matter up? Your choice of course.

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince, in Paris solely for the wedding, enters to accept congratulations and speak briefly,

Yes, the Spanish lass will do nicely to secure our Iberian interests and reassure the rest of Europe we are not idly adventuring against the interests of our fellow Christian kingdoms. I am pleased with the match. She's been quiet and most accomodating thus far.

A grimace then crosses the Prince's face momentarily as he continues in a lower voice,

Unfortunately the girl's picking up French at an unholy pace. I suspect my worthy sister is giving her lessons.

Shaking that off, Louis goes on,

More importantly all this ceremony has left me unable to properly see to the siege at Zaragosa, which is going to drag on another season at this rate. At least the Spanish have moved into the region to offer some aid, it will be nice to see those javelins of theirs in action against men!

At any rate, thanks and such, best of luck with your campaigns up here, particularly yours Mon Pere!

With that the Prince sweeps out of the chamber once more, muttering something about Constance that is all but inaudible,

...hope we find the wench a good Greek to marry, see how she takes to his boyfriends...

:egypt:

[Rowan]

I second Duc Hugues' suggestion that watchtowers should be built along our borders.
They are relatively cheap to build and maintain and they allow our numerically inferior troops to concentrate against the enemy to provide local superiority!
Since I have some free time at the moment I am very much at seneschal's disposal if he wishes to send me to supervise their construction.

(OOC: This is official permit for AG to move my avatar, I'll also update the SOT)

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville, in Paris for the wedding, had just popped into the Conseil chambers and rose to speak.

"I congratulate la Dauphin on his nuptials! His Spanish bride will be a great addition to the royal court, not to mention the significant alliance gained because of it.

I am slightly concerned about Duc de Rohan's excursion north. I feel that it may provoke a war with the Normans which at this moment we cannot win. I hope that all goes well."

With that, Gaspard bows and prepares to return back to the siege of Bruges.

[_Tristan_]

Louis, my son, I'm glad you find the daughter of Alfonso to your taste.

I think that through that marriage we have secured an alliance that will last for ages and will serve as a rampart against further progress in Christian lands by the Moorish hordes.

See that you do not break her like you broke so many of your toys when you were a child, I'm not sure Alfonso would take kindly to that...

And please stop whoring, now

[AussieGiant]

Alain is looking a little ragged but makes his way into the Council Chamber with at least 5 "pageboys" in tow. He ushers them into their seats and makes his way partly onto the chamber floor.

"I 'ave made my congratulations by way of formal decree in the seasonal reports. So well done all on zat front.

Ze wedding was a splendid event so zanks to you all for attending.

If zose of you who would assist in ze massive task of placing watch towers across the realm please make yourself known to the Seneschal's office, I will make sure you are put to good use zis season."

Alain turns to Gaspard.

"I 'ave a cunning plan Ser Gaspard. So 'ave no fear as I am tasked by God's representative on earth to bring France glory and prosperity."

He winks at one of his "pageboys" who blushes furiously and giggles rather shrilly.

[Ramses II CP]

A messenger brings a note bearing the seal of the Prince, a scribes reads it in a bored voice,

Oy chaps, matters are a bit messy down here. The Milanese and Sicilians have landed forces in Iberia, and a company of those bloody merchant's troops are marching through my countryside near Toulouse. Wonder if someone up that way could tell 'em to **** off? You know, diplomatically and all. Send Constance. She can do some shopping and get her hair primped while she's there, maybe shake that Englishman off her tail, eh?

Dear Seneschal I hope you're working on satisfying the King's edict for Toulouse in all haste. Going to need some men recruited soon.

God's blessing on all who've gone on campaign!

Louis

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Hugues stands to speak after reading the Seneschal's report.

Wales?! Good God Duc Alain, I thought you were sailing to Ireland.

You are placing your head in the Lion's mouth.

While I would love to see the expression on William's face when he finds out, this may end poorly.

[AussieGiant]

Alain leans back in his chair after being handed a note.

He blanches white and proceeds to stoke Medoc's head in a slow distracted.

"Yes it would seem the English 'ave an impressive army 'eading my way.

Take a look at zat Hugues."

Alain passes the troop composition report to him from the Royal spy.

[Cecil XIX]

My lords.

First of all, I would like to congratulate the many lords who have succefully expanded the reach of the Kingdom. His highness the King, his majesty the Prince, the Duc de Lorraine, and the members of the Order have all fought well.

However, I am very alarmed to learn of the Swabian army encamped outside Rheims, much larger than the town's garrison! Although I could easily lead the garrison of Dijon to crush the reichlanders if they become hostile, let us open the floor to debate on how we should deal the the Germans.

I would say that unless we plan to attack them quickly, it may be prudent to build one or more forts on the border. We cannot allow the Duchy of Swabia to waltz about the Kingdom of the Franks as if it was theirs to claim!

[_Tristan_]

Let us not jump to conclusions concerning the Germans.

While I do not relish having foreign soldiers on French soil, and without our prior consent, these are not matters enough to enter into a prolonged conflict with our neighbours.

But should they but show the least intent to cause mischief, they'll bring down swift retaliation. Many of their cities and castles are within a season's march of our lands and though we cannot hope to hold them from our lack of men, we could still cause great harm by raiding them.

[_Tristan_]

A herald comes into the council and after a word with the Speaker, unfurls a parchment and makes an announcement.

Moi, Philippe, Roi de France, Hereby grant the ownership of the castle of Metz to the Maison de Lorraine.

Duc Hugues de Champagne is the rightful owner of the castle, to dispose of it as he sees fit.

Par la Grâce de Dieu
Philippe

The herald then furls back the parchment and deliver sit to the scribes to check the seal and enter it in the registers.

[OverKnight]

Hugues stands and speaks to the Herald.

Please give mon Roi my deepest thanks for this honor. Metz will become a bulwark of not only Lorraine but of the realm, with a bit of work of course. With these Germans prancing about, it might be needed sooner than we thought.

Now that the King has bestowed Metz to me, it's time to pass it farther down the line. I hereby name Bertin de Montsault as the first Baron of Metz. While all my vassals are worthy of the honor, he was the first to swear fealty to me, and he fought valiantly in the assault.

Again, my thanks to the King.

[woad&fangs]

My deepest thanks to the Roi for gifting Metz unto the Duchy of Lorraine.

Turning to his Duc

Your trust in me is appreciated. I will make sure not to dissapoint you.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

My Congratulations to Baron Bertin de Montsault, and to the Duchy of Lorraine!
Yvon raises a toast to the new Baron

[econ21]

Seneschal, I must protest at the latest attempt at "diplomatic negotiations" with the English. To demand Angers in return for our cartographic knowledge is not an attempt at negotiation, but a deliberate provocation. The arch wording of your report to Conseil makes this clear. The English had already refused the charming Constance's offer of 1500 florins for six seasons and our map - that offer was considered demanding. Why then press an offer for our mere map when our diplomats tell us in advance that it is - quelle surprise - "very demanding"?

I seconded for the edict to try to purchase Angers. The edict is satisfied. We tried and we failed. I did not second an edict to provoke the English to war, which is what I fear the Seneschal is doing. To goad England into war when we have no funds to recruit anything but priests and diplomats, and no finances to build anything but makeshift repairs, seems reckless in the extreme.

Seneschal, when you stood for office, I inquired of your platform. I cannot recall precisely what you said, as it was as benign and banal as motherhood and tarte tatin. But I do recall that you made no mention of your intent to immediately sail away and land an army in England's backyard to lay claim to Wales. You made no mention of a desire to goad England into war. Do you have the King's support for this reckless course of action? Because by God, you have no mandate from the Conseil!

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard de Neufville, visiting Paris on a brief visit from Bruges, storms into the Conseil.

"What madness is this? Is the Seneschal deliberately trying to goad the Normans into war - against the wishes of the Conseil and la roi no less?

Demanding Anjou for maps of France is downright insulting, and I warn the Seneschal that war with the Normans at this state is dangerous.

It is clear from the reports from Wales, that the Normans are less than pleased with Duc Alain's campaign there. I urge him to do nothing to further antagonise them. Only when we are ready can we afford to strike, and not before.

I call upon Roi Philippe to give his judgement on the matter. Such actions with the potential for serious consequences must have the approval of la roi before carried out."

Gaspard sits down to see what happens.

[AussieGiant]

Alain frowns at Hermant's last words and stands.

Ser Hermant, I entirely agree wiz you my good man, although I do take ze last comment more seriously.

While I did not mention taking Wales by storm, I can only say zat at ze time of running for Seneschal I had no idea either.

More importantly I believe you will find I have just as strong a mandate for taking Wales as any other noble has for taking rebel provinces. Mentioning God is a slight "overplay" don't you zink?

All I can say regarding ze English is zat yet again I had a vision from one of God's representatives on earth and he asked me to try yet again to obtain Angers from ze English. I protested zis move myself, but ze vision insisted, and who am I to deny one of God's representatives.

I will certainly ensure I antagonise ze English no more.

Alain takes a seat and then says quietly.

By ze way, Ser Hermant, please do not provoke me wiz your benign and banal words, I do not appreciate it.

[OverKnight]

Hugues looks puzzled.

Well it seems to me a man with any sense of self preservation would not antagonize a Kingdom that has a larger army sitting right next to his own.

Though I'm not sure if Wales borders France and is covered by Edict 1.2 concerning Brigandry.

I am sure the Seneschal knows his job, even if his actions are a bit. . .unexpected.

[AussieGiant]

Alain shakes his head in frustration and begins to leave the chamber. Before he departs he turns and says;

"I will return zis season with a solution."

[Vladimir]

Gontran turns to his squire.

Get to work on that translation. Pronto!

[AussieGiant]

Striding back into the council sometime later Alain throws down an official looking document for the scribes to note.

"'ere, ze seal of Caernarvon!! Ze castle is taken!! We shall see what ze English pig dogs do now!

Never let it be said zat Alain de Ro'an duc of Bretagne was lacking in courage or fortitude!!"

[Ramses II CP]

Louis, in Paris to see his wife and family while the siege of Valencia drags on, leaps to his feet on the news,

Any who did say such a thing would meet the derision of a Prince in answer!

Let the Council debate this; William declined a fair offer of coin for Anger... would he decline a similar offer of land? Caernarvon now belongs to our King and the English dogs are repaid for their treacherous occupation of our lands in kind! All should praise our mighty Seneschal for securing King Phillipe this position of strength from which to negotiate!

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Hugues brightens.

A cunning suggestion Dauphin. Considering the great mob they have camped outside the castle, it seems they value Wales.

Though I would never underestimate English stubborness.

[AussieGiant]

The young Duc is clearly pleased with the Dauphin's support. His young age is seen briefly at the pride he shows at the words of the Prince and fellow Duc.

[_Tristan_]

A herald comes forward into the Conseil and hands a parchment to the Speaker upon which those near enough can see the Sceau du Roi. The herald mumbles a few words to the Speaker.

The Speaker then breaks the seal and quickly scans the content of the letter, becoming paler with every word he reads.

He then stands and reads aloud

"Mes Seigneurs,

Fleur de la Chevalerie Française,

I call upon you in these dark hours...

We are at war... The German dogs have broken the precarious truce that existed between our Royaume and the so-called Empire Romain.

It seems they have fallen to decadence as those former Romans before them. I was having a meeting with an envoy from Sa Sainteté le Pape who wished to have our support, for Sa Sainteté wished to excommunicate the Emperor lest he redeemed his heathen ways and recognized the supremacy of Rome.

The meeting was held in the abbay of Saint Thierry near Reims, where you may know that some German soldiers had been known to be marauding... Finally, we know what they were doing there... Someone in our midst had heard about my meeting, however secret I had managed to keep it, and that traitor has fed the information to the Germans who soon tried to raid the abbay, trying to kill me or take me prisoner for ransom.

Hopefully, that has not come to pass... I managed to rout them... I even managed to catch some of them who agreed to pay a ransom for their freedom, money that came from their payment from the traitor who gave them word of my presence in these holy precincts.

All I will tell you for now is that the money was neither French nor German...

I followed them at a distance, hoping that they would run to their master but their spirit seemed to ahve been broken and they have fled over our border towards Antwerp.

Now, I will ask all the nobles of the Royaume to prepare for a bloody war against the Germans.

Let it be known that this will be a war both in defence of our Royaume but also in defence of Rome and Sa Sainteté le Pape.

Montjoie St-Denis !!

Par la Grâce de Dieu,
Philippe
Roi des Francs

[Ramses II CP]

For France mes amis! I have asked the Seneschal to set my men riding north as hard and fast as possible immediately! (OOC: Had already uploaded the save before I read this and didn't want to take it again just for that)

It is God's will that we find victory in this war!

Given that we are now at war I ask the Seneschal to begin recruitment at Toulouse immediately and in all available quantity.

:egypt:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Foolish Germans then. We shall crush the Heretics!

[TinCow]

How... convenient for both Bourgogne and Lorraine that this 'treason' occurred just as all possibilities for their expansion were exhausted. Perhaps our great King should look to his own Lords to find the cause of this most unfortunate war.

[econ21]

Bourgogne - and I am sure Lorraine - has no wish for war. To insinuate otherwise is to obsess on narrow intra-Duchy politics when the life of the nation is at stake. We must unite around the King! I look forward to serving again under the King in the Company of my brother knights. Vive le Roi! Vive la France!

[Vladimir]

A herald arrives at the conseil with a hurried missive from Gontran de Linars. The herald presents the missive to the presiding noble, bows, and hurries away.

[OOC: My arms are so tired it's hard to type. Bear with me here :sweatdrop:.]

The missive reads:

Gentlemen, scholars, and warriors of blessed France. We are at war with our savage yet determined cousins to the East. Our Roi's love of the decedents of Clovis is such that he could not let the drunken, sausage eating savages defile our lands or mother Church. As steward of our only castle I will do my best to ensure we possess the military might to defeat this threat.

It's true that we have many valiant and noble knights. Our knights and their companions may be enough to carry the day on their own. But at what cost? I fear many noble lives will be lost in the process. Brothers, rely on us as the bastion of chivalry in France. We will provide you with the fleetest and noblest horse dans le monde. For while our enemy is fierce on foot, we are unbeatable in the saddle.

WE RIDE TO WAR!


At the end lies a heavily flourished

Gontran de Linars, steward of Touluse, vassal of Prince Louis de Aquitaine, humble servant au Roi, and loyal patron of mother Church.

[OverKnight]

Hugues face blanches white as he hears of the newly declared war.

Mon Dieu! I had thought this day would come eventually, but not so soon.

The Duc spares a glance for Christophe.

Oh yes, I convinced le Roi to declare war so I could conquer the Reich with my mighty four company army. For Lorraine, at least, the timing of this declaration puts us in a bit of a pickle.

Hugues looks like he might say more on the matter, but he glances at the empty throne and then Hermant and holds his tongue.

I must gather my men and see to my Duchy. To arms!

[Ignoramus]

Gaspard, again in Paris, rises, visibly shocked at the news.

"We are at war with our brethren to the east? Mon Dieu have mercy upon us!"

Turning to towards the Conseil, he begins to speak.

"I do hope la Roi knows what he is doing. I do not dispute the insult of them swarming around Champagne, but I fear we will be bested in this conflict. Should the Normans declare war upon us, we will be in grave trouble.

Nevertheless, I will make ready mon retainers, and will march with the Order to defend Lorraine."

Gaspard rushes out of the Conseil.

[AussieGiant]

Alain speaks while seated.

I can certainly ensure we try and broker a peace deal as soon as possible.

I must admit that the King did not even mention this in his seasonal letters to me.

I need to be clear my Lords, we are wholly unprepared for this either economically or militarily.

[TinCow]

Christophe glares at Mauvoisin and de Champagne.

The King has stated that there is a traitor in France. This is a serious charge and must receive our utmost attention. If this traitor was capable of getting hundreds of Germans to a secret meeting of the King, he is more than capable of mounting another attempt on the life of our Most Glorious Philippe. Those who ignore this most serious of charges are either irresponsible or traitorous themselves.

I find it curious that Mauvoisin, of all people, appears eager for war and unconcerned about the traitor. Tell me Mauvousin, is your chivalry simply a convenience for you, or do you perhaps know something that I do not?

[Andres]

Thierry enters the Conseil.

It's good to be back in Paris for a short while.

He sits down and sips from a goblet of water while listening to what the other noblemen are saying. He frowns and then shrugs and says calmly:

Traitors should be hanged.

[OverKnight]

Hugues turns to respond to Perrone. He appears about to speak with some heat, but holds at the last minute. He instead winks dramatically at him.

Oh yes, you've found me out young Sir. This is all a fiendish plot launched by me and my cabal of black cloaked brethren. I wanted to trigger a war where I would immediately be out numbered five to one. And I would have gotten away with it except for you lousy kids.

Do you have anything to offer besides snide insinuations Chevalier? Or does this dog only howl when his master is away?

[AussieGiant]

Alain settles one hand on his chin and another absently stroking Medoc's head. He seems quite entertained at this time.

[TinCow]

de Perronne glares at Hugues and starts to open his mouth, but then pauses as if in thought. When he finally speaks, his voice is obviously intentionally subdued.

I... apologize... for any insinuations against your honor Duc de Lorraine. I hope you will excuse a lowly Chevalier such as myself for letting his passions get the better of him when he is told that a traitor has made an attempt to kill his King. It is a most serious situation, and I often speak before having fully thought through my words. Please excuse me, and forgive any insult I have given.

de Perronne bows his head towards the Duc.

As this war makes Lorraine most vulnerable to invasion, I am pleased to know that you will surely join me in calling for an immediate end to this war through whatever means are possible.

[AussieGiant]

Alain looks on rather disappointedly at de Perronne. He shakes his head turns to Medoc and shrugs his shoulders.

"I will endeavour to 'ave a meeting wiz ze German's zis season. Ei do not zink it should be too 'ard to accomplish."

[econ21]

The King has said that there is a traitor, it is true, but he also mentioned that he was using funds which were neither French nor German. That implies the real instigator of this crime is not a French lord. The traitor himself may be some lowly cur; the King said nothing to lead us to suspect a fellow Council member. While it is regrettable that within France there is a man capable of treachery, it is hardly shocking nor surprising - particularly given that almost half the country until recently has been declaring its loyalty to the English or to rebel lords. I do not ignore the serious charge of treachery, Perrone. What I ignore is your witless slandering half of France - Bourgne and Lorraine - as traitors based on no evidence whatsoever.

As to my eagerness for war, Perrone, you misread my statements. I am eager to defend France in a war that has already started. My earlier protest at our provoking the English is evidence of my reluctance to start a conflict. A reluctance that seems more prudent now than ever. But once a conflict has started, we must be the ones to finish it. Whether this is through negotiating a peace or through victory on the field depends on the wisdom of the Holy Roman Emperor and failing that, the grace of God Himself.

[Andres]

Thierry raises an eyebrow when he hears de Peronne's words. He coughs silently and sips from his goblet.

[TinCow]

Nothing to suspect someone a fellow Council member, Mauvoisin? The King's letter stated that the traitor was "someone in our midst." I was not aware that there were foreigners and "lowly currs" present amongst us. As for the presence of foreign coin, that means nothing. If you were to dump out the purses of most of the men here, you would find foreign coin in their possession. Gold and silver remains valuable regardless of whose face is stamped on it.

War between nations is not engineered by those who have an interest in small profits. I know better than most in this room how easy it is to raise a tidy sum if one is so inclined, certainly better than anyone in your Order. No, the traitor would never be a common criminal or a lowly noble. Such men never embark on schemes as grand as this. If there is indeed a traitor who has allied with the Emperor, it is a man who stands to gain far more than a little coin.

[OverKnight]

Hugues smiles.

I will accept your apology in the same spirit that is given Sir Perrone. Please forgive me for my own harsh words. I am still recovering from the surprise of all this.

The bloody Germans seem to cross the Rhine at the drop of a hat. While this war is unexpected, we must take this oppurtunity to strike back when we can. If we are to make peace, we will need bargaining chips.

Hugues sits to begin working on a short letter. A page is dispatched with it a bit later to the Seneschal.

[TinCow]

de Perronne stares flatly at the Duc de Lorraine. After several moments of silence, he stands up and leaves the Conseil.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

In all honesty we should not be particularly surprised that the Germans have Declared war on us. But the timing could have been better..... Let us just hope that our relations with the English do not fall apart until we have managed to beat back the Romans and gotten a peace treaty.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*Raynaud de Xaintrailles watches these most recent exchanges in silence. Those sitting next to him can make out muttering, perhaps "fighting the wrong enemies" under his breath, but he says nothing aloud.*

[Ramses II CP]

Prince Louis speaks,

Gaetan de Rethel has slunk off to a tavern and called me, the heir to the throne of France, a coward behind my back. Is there any man here who will defend him? Perhaps one with at least the courage to speak so to my face?

:egypt:

[ULC]

"If you want to Louis, I'll just simply say it to you - word for word."

Gaetan enters and throws his cloak across his chair and seats himself, pulling out a tome and begins to write. Without looking up, he continues.

"But, considering my Duc is currently being attacked, the latest word from the front, and I have to Organize the Order to properly defend both Paris and Bruges, time for me is not in great supply."

[Ramses II CP]

The Prince smiles widely at de Rethel before replying,

You will address me as Prince or not at all.

I am aware that you abandoned your Duke to face that massive German army by himself. I am further aware that a great many more skilled and competent men, men such as my father, your King, are preparing the defenses of Paris and Bruges which you foolishly claim sole responsibility for. You prove yourself a liar in every casual claim and word.

I am even further aware that you are an oathbreaker. Your word is worthless. God will see justice done to you, for you have baselessly insulted one of his chosen, heir to the throne of France.

:egypt:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Gaetan, your continued slandering of the prince is Grating on everyone's nerves. He has done nothing to deserve it, and if you do not cease I assure you that the line of men trying to duel you will be lengthening.

Prince Louis is a valorous man, and also a member of the Royal family, as well as being a Duke. All of these titles are deserving of your respect, yet you show none.

[ULC]

Gaetan still does not look up.

"I could not help my Duc, seeing as the Roi asked that the Order assist in taking Bruges - my saying that I could not help him was a statement of a fact, not of an opinion, not at all Louis. You would insult me without realizing that I am forming my own plans, but not all those plans being put into action are mine - do not claim completely what you do not know, not at all Louis. The soldiers are the Roi's, not mine, he will do with them as he wishes - I will do with myself as I wish."

"My words are not baseless about you being a coward and thief, not at all Louis. As a Sergeant in several armies, including those of the Empire when Rethel was taken, I have had to judge men from little, and what I have seen and heard of you does not make you out to be a bastion of chivalry at any point, and thus I do not lie. If I have lied, I ask you to prove me wrong. Show me a cause you would truly die for, show me true charity, not coins tossed out to the mob."

"Just remember, nobility is earned, not given."

However, Gaetan turns to acknowledge Yvon, a smile upon his lips that is not formed from humor.

"Then take a stand, and show you would die for not at all Louis - I am ready to die for my words and actions, are you?"

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I hold all faith in Christophe victory. But Know that if he fails, which he shall not, I Will be standing to take his place. You will meet a shallow grave either way.

[Vladimir]

Squire Kip:

I speak for Gontran de Linars,

He shall queue up with all of the House to defend the honour of the House and Prince.

[ULC]

"We will all die, one way or another. All that is left for us, Chevalier Yvon, is to decide how to die."

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

"We will all die, one way or another. All that is left for us, Chevalier Yvon, is to decide how to die."


Yvon laughs Sounds like the talk of a dead man to me.

[Ramses II CP]

Gaetan still does not look up.

"I could not help my Duc, seeing as the Roi asked that the Order assist in taking Bruges - my saying that I could not help him was a statement of a fact, not of an opinion, not at all Louis. You would insult me without realizing that I am forming my own plans, but not all those plans being put into action are mine - do not claim completely what you do not know, not at all Louis. The soldiers are the Roi's, not mine, he will do with them as he wishes - I will do with myself as I wish."

"My words are not baseless about you being a coward and thief, not at all Louis. As a Sergeant in several armies, including those of the Empire when Rethel was taken, I have had to judge men from little, and what I have seen and heard of you does not make you out to be a bastion of chivalry at any point, and thus I do not lie. If I have lied, I ask you to prove me wrong. Show me a cause you would truly die for, show me true charity, not coins tossed out to the mob."

"Just remember, nobility is earned, not given."

However, Gaetan turns to acknowledge Yvon, a smile upon his lips that is not formed from humor.

"Then take a stand, and show you would die for not at all Louis - I am ready to die for my words and actions, are you?"

The Prince's smile only widens and begins to take on a wolfish demeanor,

Nobility is given by the grace of God to those he chooses, it cannot be earned by bandying words with such as you. I note with great entertainment how you twist and turn your statements. I stand by what I said as the literal truth before God, as are all my words.

None may call me a coward, none, even if they feel sanquine about 'judging from little.' I say you judge from nothing and your words are meaningless. You make no case for my cowardice but your own claim, and no case for my thievery at all. You do so because both claims are entirely baseless and, finding yourself backed into a corner, you have discovered to your own displeasure that cruising about taverns has made a liar of you.

You may retract your claims and retain some semblance of dignity at this time. I do not say I will forgive you, but finding yourself so clearly revealed as a false witness must be a bit disturbing.

As to proving you wrong, the burden of proof lies on the accussor both by natural privelege, as I am your superior in every measurable way, and by religious mandate, as God has chosen me to be your King one day. No other man here has stood to attest the truth of your words, nor does your King find favor with them.

I doubt we will need more duels, but if they are needed I challenge de Rethel to answer them consecutively and instantly. If God, judge and jury in all things, favors the man's cause then surely he will be victorious despite any odds.

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Hugues returns to the Conseil.

Gaeten de Rethel has spoken foolishly. The Dauphin is a man of many parts, but he is most certainly not a coward. Even a casual glance at his battle reports would show this. I refute the statements my vassal has made and ask that he withdraw them. If I am alive when the Dauphin becomes King, I will swear fealty to him.

Quite simply, we are at war, we cannot afford such bickering while the enemy is at our doorstep.

[AussieGiant]

Leaning forward the ever smiling and ironically amused young Duc says in a quiet voice.

"'aving received reliable reports over ze past few hours I 'ave to agree wiz Duc de Champagne.

de Rethel has, or should I say, 'ad a death wish. ze dueling line is long and for good reason.

Turning to de Champagne.

"By ze way Duc de Lorraine, good showing on ze bridge and well done in taking Staufen. Zat should hold ze southern border for a few seasons."

Turning to an administrator of the Seneschal Office he begins to discuss planning deployment options, he turns back to the council in general.

"If you could all please make further requests for troops that would be just splendid?

At least in this way I will have requests from all twenty nobles, the four houses, the Order plus the King and Dauphin.

Tapping his chin with exaggerated thought he continues.

"I should probably send a note to Her Highness in Rome to see if she requires a regiment to guard her. I need not descriminate."

[Marcus Agrippa]

A note arrives with instructions to be read at the counsel Signed from Alexandre Le Sueur.

Fellow nobles!
I have heard the worrying news from the Seneschal that the Holy Roman Empire sees fit to invade out lands and the English wish to take Wales. I propose procede as such.
1. we consider if we need the land newly conquered and if we can protect it.
2. We might gain land at home if we sell it to the English.
3. If we sell Stuffen to the English the Holy Roman Empire will have to wage war on them.
4. we could buy peace and maybe an alliance with one of them which would secure our borders for the time being.

I await the counsels decision.

[Ramses II CP]

Good thinking Sir, err, Le Sueur! Can't hurt to have the Seneschal try the offer out on them, eh? Mon Roi what say you of your latest possession, could Duke de Rohan offer it to the English for Anger and an extension of our truce?

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

Standing, while officers in the livery of Bretagne begin handing out the Kingdom report Alain seems far more confident than before. In a clear steady voice he continues.

"I table ze last season for you my lords. Ze Office of ze Seneschal is distributing the relevant documents to where ever you maybe.

Clearly wiz Caernarvon and Staufen in our possession I could make a very serious offer to ze 'eathen English regarding any of our rightful provinces on the mainland.

Ze question is, how far should we negotiate.

I am open to suggestions my lords!!

[_Tristan_]

The King strides into the Conseil, still wearing his armour.

Mes Seigneurs, I'm glad to see how you've stood up to face the threat of the Saint Empire preying on our lands. By fighting them, we fight for God.

Congratulations, Alain for your good work at Caernavon and you also, Hugues for your heroic conduct at Stauffen.

Sieur Lesueur's proposal is sound. In my opinion we should try and get both Angers and Caen in exchange for Caernavon and Stauffen. It will perhaps my cousin Guillaume's hand in joining us against the soon-to-be excommunicated Emperor.

Your mission, then, Alain will be to seize Dublin and use it as a trading item for Bordeaux. We would have then managed to kick the English out of France, leaving us to concentrate on fighting the Reich.

I will ask the Order men to join me in the North to defend Bruges or assault Antwerp, whichever makes the msot sense strategically, the reports from our scouts have nopt yet reached me (OOC : no look at the save yet).

Finally, while I do not like the idea of duels among the nobles of France, I think sieur de Rethel has committed a grave sin against the honour of the Prince, one that will surely be corrected by Sieur de Perronne. I would only ask that the duel not be to the death, as I know sieur de Rethel to have a deathwish for reasons I cannot entirely fathom. It is true thta he has incurred my displeasure but I hold him no grudge and his quick recovery is to his credit. Nevertheless, since then, he is but the shadow of the man he was before. I call upon your mercy Sieur de Peronne and yours as well Louis...

These were the words of a madman... Please take this into consideration.

As to unearthing the traitor among our midst, I fear that the actions of another Order man has worked against us... I was following the men from the companies that had tried to capture me at Reims, hoping they would lead me to the culprit, but Sieur de Neufville's intervention lay this plan to ruin...

[AussieGiant]

At the mention of Dublin Alain ceasing kissing the pageboy he was locking lips with on the front bench. He grabs a hearty drink, belches and can be seen mouthing the word D-U-B-L-I-N ARE WE £$%£ MAD??!!

Shaking his head to gather his thoughts the young Duke stand.

"Of course my King.

Dublin it is.

I'll get wight on it."

[_Tristan_]

Alain, that was only a suggestion... We are in no hurry but I would hate to see the Scots or English beat us to the post and bring the rebel Irish to toe the line...

All I would ask you is that you keep a close watch on the Green Isle and prevent one or the the other nation from supplanting us. The Irish have valour aplenty, as you do, but I do not want you to risk your life unduly.

[AussieGiant]

Looking a little more relieved Alain leans back on the bench and lets out his breath between puffed cheeks.

"Yes your Majesty I will make sure we keep zings under control over zere."

[_Tristan_]

In the meantime, I've received word from our scouts... They think that the ford on the Escaut would make a perfect position to both interdict passage to the large German army led by Wenzel Dietrich and to start the siege of Antwerp which is lightly defended.

I intend to march there and start making our camp there. I would be grateful if the Order men currently in Bruges or in the vicinity, Mauvoisin, Neufville, Rethel and Montferrat joined me there. I'd like also to have the support of Sieur de Montpierre and La Hire if they would ride from Paris. This would Paris defenseless but I've prioritized men to keep order there.

With all these noble knights under my command, I'm sure we can prevent Dietrich from setting a single swineherder foot on French soil.

[OverKnight]

Hugues studies the maps.

It seems the Germans have quite a few armies out there. They have an army within a season's march of Reims, another in range of Staufen and I would wager another east of Antwerp. (OOC: Not sure if what I saw during AI move after defensive battle is admissable.)

I doubt I can hold Staufen against that force to the east if they immediately siege. I could stage a delaying action in the hills between Staufen and the Germans, bleed them, and then retreat to Staufen. I could get a sally in before they assault and hopefully reduce them enough so I could repulse it. This would tie up the Germans there but leave that army near Reims out of reach.

Or I can abandon Staufen and march to the ford of the Moselle, and be in a position to recieve an attack on favorable grounds or assist if that other German army closes on Reims. However, I'd be ceding Staufen without a fight and the Germans might consolidate their forces in the area.

I believe coordination is key if we are to isolate and destroy these superior forces while preserving our Kingdom. If we each fight our own little battles without an eye toward a larger strategy, we'll be crushed.

Thoughts my lords?

Edits: Perhaps a map would clarify my point.

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[Vladimir]

Squire Kip hastily scribbles notes for his lord while maintaining a grim look on his face.

[KnightnDay]

May I suggest that Staufen provides us with the strongest and best means of defense against the Kaiser's forces to the east. To yield it without a struggle may provide the enemy greater comfort and certainly provides them the means to raise yet more troops against us. I further feel ill at ease at the suggestion that this place be traded away like some barn animal when the blood of our brave and fallen comrades still stain this ground.

Between Metz, Rheims and Staufen there are 6 new companies that could be formed. That, combined with other support perhaps by way of Paris or Bruges should allow us to hold our own along this front. We do after all have our fearless and noble king as well as the Fleur de Lys ready to repel these brutish thugs.

Let us hold firm I say.

[AussieGiant]

"'ow about I trade Staufen to ze English for one of OUR provinces?"

[OverKnight]

Hugues responds.

I am more concerned about how we are to blunt the drive of those two German armies, with a third near Antwerp I think, into our eastern holdings. I can tie down one, the question is: How do I do it? By moving to the interior or holding Staufen?

The second question I am asking is this: How do we repulse those other two armies while I am busy with the third? I believe we need a strategy that encompasses all our forces in the area rather than each army acting on its own.

We must find a way to hold the line until reinforcements arrive from the Spanish campaign.

[AussieGiant]

"Perhaps you withdraw to a choke point like last time Duc Champagne? I can sell Staufen to ze English and then you can hold ze south.

We simply do not 'ave enough forces to defend all three armies. Not until ze Dauphin arrives from Spain."

[Ituralde]

Simon de Montpierre enters the Council Chambers hastily and bows before his King.

My Lord,

I have received your call for help and I am under your command. I thank you once again for the help you have provided me in getting her fast. I am delighted to report that I was able to secure the lands of my father against unsubstantial Italian claims. With my personal matters sorted out I can once again serve France and the Order in full capacity. From what I heard both suffered strong blows in the past.

OOC:
I have created my SOT accordingly. So please move me as I won't be able to do it.

[AussieGiant]

"'aving reading reports from Duc de Champagne it would seem we are all satisfied with ze idea I have outlined. Staufen is up for sale?

My King are you happy with zat and also Caernarvon, Zaragoza and Valencia being used in zis fashion? They are all part of ze Kings Demesne at zis time.

I am looking for advise my lords. I will prioritise ze acquisition of Angers, Caen and Bordouex over all provinces we have taken."

[OverKnight]

Hugues's eyes widen, but he says nothing.

[AussieGiant]

Looking a little aggrieved Alain turns to Hugues and the Council as a whole

"In addition, Metz is also technically under ze Kings Demesne as it must be ratified at ze next Council Session. No recruiting can be done at zese provinces until then. Therefore zey are probably of more use as bargaining pieces at ze moment.

I would remind you all to read our charter more closely."

[TinCow]

At the mention of Zaragoza and Valencia, Christophe looks up sharply. He calls over a squire and whispers in his ear for a few moment. The boy nods and walks quickly out of the chamber.

[AussieGiant]

"At least zat got someone's attention."

[Andres]

Thierry takes a parchment in front of him. The scribe next to him tells him it's the bill for his latest armor. Thierry shrugs and mumbles something.

"Read the Charter", he says. What are we? Priests? I can't read.

He whispers something to his scribe who takes another parchment and starts to read it softly to Thierry, who is soon starting to look bored. He tells his scribe to shut up and looks at Duke de Rohan.

If it's legally possible, then go ahead. I don't mind taking Caernarvon a second time. Allthough not very cooperative, the women were nice.

[AussieGiant]

Alain glances at Thierry.

"Yes well we wont be going back zere again if it is successful no matter how accommodating ze Welsh wenches have been.

Zere are far too many sheep 'ere. It is not good for ze men's moral to be so near sheep all ze time. At least zat is what I have experienced."

[KnightnDay]

I pray the High Seneschal will not become greatly annoyed that I should disagree with his interpretion of our charter- to wit:

All conquered provinces must be ratified by an edict, which can be passed at the session before the conquest or be applied retroactively at the first session after.

Edict 1.2 which passed by a vote of 20-0, stated

Brigandry is is not to be tolerated, and as such all rebel settlements bordering the nation of France are to be brought under her rule.

Ergo, by virtue of the fact that the rebel outpost of Metz bordered France, then it's ratification was a fait accompli.

And having been so ratified and the land formally passed by consent of the king, the remaining portion of the charter does not apply- to wit:

While a province is not ratified taxes must be set to the highest level possible and no recruitment can be made in that settlement.

So if the Seneschal considers whether or not to provide troops in support of the defense of Metz, I do not believe our charter should be an impediment to a final decision.

[woad&fangs]

Bertin remains silent but gives a small nod of agreement in the direction of Thomas.

[Ramses II CP]

Sir de Saint-Armand is correct that my intent with Edict 1.2 was to ratify in advance the taking of rebel provinces bordering France, which would include Metz, Bruges, Zaragosa, and, after the taking of Zaragosa, Valencia. Is this unclear?

The difficulty with offering these lands is that they will do nothing to halt the German advance and they are highly unlikely to be viewed as worthy by dear William. Clearly he intended Wales to be a part of his realm, and so logically he will barter for it. Staufen is, perhaps, a less viable offer, but if he accepted it would secure one region of our border with the Romans.

Bruges is a rich city, in potential at least, and I do not believe anything we want from William is worth it in trade. Zaragosa and Valencia secure our flank to an ally, if they were surrendered to William we would have a potential enemy with access to three cardinal directions of attack against our nation. The land belongs to the King to do with as he pleases, but I would have to say offering William the chance to surround us is probably unwise.

Metz is a more interesting case in potential, but Metz has been assigned to a Baron and is no longer under the King's strict control. You will have to speak to the Baron to determine that province's availability in negotiations.

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

Alain stands visibly brightening at the news from Sir de Saint-Armand.

"Excellent.

I 'ave been speaking to ze King, Metz is formally 'anded over while ze remaining provinces are all part of ze Kings Demesne at zis point in time.

While I can understand ze issue wiz negotiating 'ard fought land to ze English, creating a France which is whole once more will at least shorten our boundries and ensure we 'ave a proper border to defend.

Zis is far more valuable zan 'aving enemies on both to our front and behind."

[Marcus Agrippa]

If we secure french lands from William they are already safe and far from the reach of the Germans or English. Also they are castles so professional troops could be trained. And offering lands such as Stauffen and Zaragosa are too remote for the English to use to martial forces against us.
Plus they are now surrounded by our ally to the south and enemy to the east.
So they could fall and be captured again.

[OverKnight]

Hugues speaks.

I believe we should limit ourselves to offering Staufen and Wales in any deal with the English. Not only is Bruges a profitable trading town, it offers the shortest passage across the Channel. We should deprive the English of it, and it might be useful later.

I know we have a Diplomat in England, but do we have one that will be able to treat with the Germans in the next few seasons? The possibility still exists that the Pope will ask us to cease hostilities.

Edit: Hugues nods to Thomas.

Very sharp thinking Chevalier.

[Ramses II CP]

We seem to have a consensus on Bruges being off the table.

Offering Zaragosa and/or Valencia would cut Raynaud de Xaintraillies off from the rest of France and strand him deep in English lands. I don't believe he would agree with the idea that it makes them 'too remote' to attack us. I don't know how that would effect the King's edict preventing trespassing on English lands... that same issue would cloud the hand over of Caeranarvon, eh?

Furthermore we have a castle, right now, with many men awaiting training and it is not being used. Not only that, it borders Germany when none of the other castles we might secure do, leaving troops trained at those a long distance from the front. I have resisted putting in prioritization because I do not wish to constrain the Seneschal's hands, but if we're securing fresh castles just so we can train I will put a prioritization in ahead of building any facilities in those places.

Zaragosa and Valencia are already secure and producing income for the war effort, more than would be produced by Anger certainly.

I hope very much for peace on the German front, but if it cannot be found and I find Toulouse is being surrounded by English provinces I may not feel entirely comfortable bringing my forces east into the German campaign.

:egypt:

[OverKnight]

Hugues grimaces.

That large German army now south of Reims did not besiege that city, nor did they attack me at the Moselle ford. Judging by that and their general course, I'd would say that they are heading to Dijon.

I hope you laid your best silverware out for company Duc Raymond.

He shakes his head.

I'm sorry a poor jest.

There seems to be three ways to deal with this: First, gather the combined forces of Bourgogne and Lorraine and attack them now. Second, wait for them to siege and then sally combined with my forces attacking their rear. Third, let them siege, but destroy their siege equipment through sallying. This could prolong the siege until starvation forced a sally, allowing us to gather a superior force to relieve the town.

What say you Duc Raymond?

Of course, if anyone has any bright ideas I'm listening.