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AlexanderSextus
10-06-2009, 18:01
Are the various hoplite units in EBII going to be able to finally fight as a phalanx?

Because it gets annoying seeing them charge like a rabble of un-organized units when they are clearly spartan hoplites.
-Praetor-
10-06-2009, 18:12
This area is still under experimentation.
Antinous
10-07-2009, 01:23
Did shield wall no work , as a hoplite funtion?
-Praetor-
10-07-2009, 04:12
It works, not fully satisfactorily, but it does give acceptable results.

But as I said, the area is still under experimentation, and any answer at this point would be premature and inexact.
antisocialmunky
10-07-2009, 13:10
Have you guys tried fast attack animation/low lethality? It results in a slow push due to the enemy units being knocked backwards. Though I'm not exactly sure that would work to be honest due to the new animation system in MIITW.:-\.
Phalanx300
10-07-2009, 15:24
Well I figure Shield Wall is nice though the AI wont use it and it will result in your whole line breaking apart since units can't be locked.

I sure hope you guys will give the Hoplites something special to show their formation was different. The same for the Iphikratous Hoplitai.
Foot
10-07-2009, 18:09
Have you guys tried fast attack animation/low lethality?

We cannot mod lethality in EBII. The MTW2 engine doesn't have that stat anymore (or at least it is hidden).

Foot
antisocialmunky
10-07-2009, 20:17
Fast attack animation/low attack then since lethality and attack rating goto the same end.
Mr Frost
10-17-2009, 06:11
It works, not fully satisfactorily, but it does give acceptable results.

But as I said, the area is still under experimentation, and any answer at this point would be premature and inexact.

Then could we have a premature and inexact answer ? :beam:
G. Septimus
10-17-2009, 09:50
well, EB is more historically accurate, so the Spartans do that.(duuh, the Spartans never used the Phalanx):beam:
Maeran
10-17-2009, 17:16
Welcome to the board Severus, since I've not seen you here before.

I think you're confusing your phalanxes.

Hoplites did indeed fight in a phalanx formation, but not the Macedonian style pike phalanx. There is plenty of discussion on the two styles on this forum and elsewhere on the net.
The General
10-17-2009, 17:22
Welcome to the board Severus, since I've not seen you here before.

I think you're confusing your phalanxes.

Hoplites did indeed fight in a phalanx formation, but not the Macedonian style pike phalanx. There is plenty of discussion on the two styles on this forum and elsewhere on the net.

I kind of thought he was referring to the well-known documentary about Spartan warfare in 5th century BC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDiUG52ZyHQ).
mlc82
10-27-2009, 17:24
What about using something like the "Hoplite Density mod" here?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=113564&highlight=density

They keep their spears (instead of the generic short pike), and the tighter formations make them look like they're using shieldwall (and fighting in a phalanx instead of individually) without the need of the special ability that the AI has no idea how to use.


TWFanatic's hoplite mod with the short_pike works as well (I wouldn't play EB without TWFanatic's mod before finding the above mod) , though the short pike weapon looks silly compared to EB's spears.