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Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 02:33
1. From the most reliable of sources.
How do you know they are reliable?
2. No one asked.
Yes they did.
3. From their night actions.
Which are what?
When you say "the evil one that you are looking for" which role do you have in mind specifically?
I should read the storyline more carefully, but at this point I would consider the possibility that the ghosts have motives entirely of their own, or that there are at least multiple parties that we don't know about.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 02:49
ATPG: Do you ghosts have any interesting individual powers?
Not to my knowledge. We have to act collectively to do anything.
Andres mentioned when you died that he protected Ada that night, why do you think he did that, and then you ghosts did? Unless the ghosts are not pro-town, it appears to me that Andres is pro-town in his own aspects...
I can only speculate on what motivates Andres to do certain things; However I do believe he was trying to gain leverage over Ada, which he no longer has.
Splitpersonality
01-11-2010, 02:53
Not to my knowledge. We have to act collectively to do anything.
So, ATPG, your council has no individual powers which each phase you vote to see which you use, or is it more of the system where you vote for which action to do from a list?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 03:03
So, ATPG, your council has no individual powers which each phase you vote to see which you use, or is it more of the system where you vote for which action to do from a list?
We can vote to elect a speaker, and we vote to select one from a list of three actions which we can perform.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 03:05
We can vote to elect a speaker, and we vote to select one from a list of three actions which we can perform.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guarantee that a collective ghost investigate ability (if it exists) was not used on me. Is this correct?
I want a message from Psyhic Zero, because he has a cool name.
I have a mental picture of Lelouch in his Zero outfit (like the one I posted a while back).
But seriously, I just thought of something. Sigurd commented that Psychics talk in the Ghost Council, correct? The problem is, a psychic can't just reveal as they are worried they get a visit from Gasmask.
Thing is, I been pretty much confirmed as a town and working for the town victory. If Psychics are working for the town as well, then they should obviously be able to trust me (as you know, if they want town victory, same goals). You say that in the Ghost Council, you got the list of suspects, and all that kind of information. From Neutrals, Pro-Town, Town, Mafia, Cthulhu, etc. The problem is, you cannot give that information out unless asked, and some things you would not everyone to know or be exposed to everyone. As Psychics can communicate to the Ghost Council, they could serve as a medium to pass messages between the ghost town and the town, at the right moments and a trust worthy source.
Thus, I propose myself for the Trustworthy source. By this, as it is revealed I am town (for the amount of time I am alive for), so the town would know to trust this information from me. Also, being as it is an indirect route, you don't need to be asked questions to answer, as the messager boy can just tell me the things then I can say it to the town. This way, the messager boy is unharmed, the Ghost Council is more effective, etc. The town wins.
Also this way. I can pass information on, then I can use a codeword, such as "ATPG, am I holding up 4 fingers?" which could be code for "Ghost Council confirms Beskar's information is correct", and you can go yes or no.
Would you discuss it in the Ghost Council at least, ATPG?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 03:38
I want a message from Psyhic Zero, because he has a cool name.
I have a mental picture of Lelouch in his Zero outfit (like the one I posted a while back).
But seriously, I just thought of something. Sigurd commented that Psychics talk in the Ghost Council, correct? The problem is, a psychic can't just reveal as they are worried they get a visit from Gasmask.
Thing is, I been pretty much confirmed as a town and working for the town victory. If Psychics are working for the town as well, then they should obviously be able to trust me (as you know, if they want town victory, same goals). You say that in the Ghost Council, you got the list of suspects, and all that kind of information. From Neutrals, Pro-Town, Town, Mafia, Cthulhu, etc. The problem is, you cannot give that information out unless asked, and some things you would not everyone to know or be exposed to everyone. As Psychics can communicate to the Ghost Council, they could serve as a medium to pass messages between the ghost town and the town, at the right moments and a trust worthy source.
Thus, I propose myself for the Trustworthy source. By this, as it is revealed I am town (for the amount of time I am alive for), so the town would know to trust this information from me. Also, being as it is an indirect route, you don't need to be asked questions to answer, as the messager boy can just tell me the things then I can say it to the town. This way, the messager boy is unharmed, the Ghost Council is more effective, etc. The town wins.
Also this way. I can pass information on, then I can use a codeword, such as "ATPG, am I holding up 4 fingers?" which could be code for "Ghost Council confirms Beskar's information is correct", and you can go yes or no.Would you discuss it in the Ghost Council at least, ATPG?
Outlook not so good. Many of the ghosts don't trust you in the slightest, Beskar.
Outlook not so good. Many of the ghosts don't trust you in the slightest, Beskar.
Well, it is pretty obvious and clearly stated I am a confirmed innocent of the town and working on behalf town for us to win the game. I seriously question the motives of anyone who is saying otherwise. Probably Mafia or those with an alternative agenda to town victory, afterall, I am the confirmed innocent, as YLC states in the opening post, not all ghosts are good... :beam:
I suggest those in there pay attention to those ghosts, they are the ones not the be trusted. :bow:
So, ATPG, how many fingers am I holding up?
I just wanted to demostrate that argument, as it is very correct in facts. I hope the ghosts recommend reconsidering the official position you posted.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 04:10
Well, it is pretty obvious and clearly stated I am a confirmed innocent of the town and working on behalf town for us to win the game. I seriously question the motives of anyone who is saying otherwise. Probably Mafia or those with an alternative agenda to town victory, afterall, I am the confirmed innocent, as YLC states in the opening post, not all ghosts are good... :beam:
I suggest those in there pay attention to those ghosts, they are the ones not the be trusted. :bow:
So, ATPG, how many fingers am I holding up?
I can't tell, given how crooked they are. He who speaks of his confirmed innocence over and over and over again in a game with cults and conversions would raise eyebrows, if ghosts had any. It seems from our perspective that you are trying to learn the identities of key figures. Nice try, but no.
Well, I think the cults are too busy trying to kill me at the moment, as you know. Though I should say "I will see you soon."or I gonna' make a call. One or the other.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 04:22
I wonder how many eyebrows he who speaks of "a most reliable source" and refuses to answer follow up questions in a game with cults and conversions would raise.
I got two questions, actually.
@AskthePizzaGuiy
Did Beefy187 join the Ghost council?
@Ada
Did one of you get the results of Beefy187's corpse?
@ATPG
If you can answer for Ada, what were the results?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 05:14
I got two questions, actually.
@AskthePizzaGuiy
Did Beefy187 join the Ghost council?
@Ada
Did one of you get the results of Beefy187's corpse?
@ATPG
If you can answer for Ada, what were the results?
Yes, beefy187 joined the Ghost council.
Beefy187's allegiance was divided it seemed. He was a cultist, but Ada also suspects he served two masters. This is stuff that is not indicated in the public writeup. If this is inaccurate, Ada can contact you directly to clarify.
Splitpersonality
01-11-2010, 05:35
@ ATPG:
What makes ada so special?
What can he/she do?
Yes, beefy187 joined the Ghost council.
Beefy187's allegiance was divided it seemed. He was a cultist, but Ada also suspects he served two masters. This is stuff that is not indicated in the public writeup. If this is inaccurate, Ada can contact you directly to clarify.
Intersting. He joined the Ghost Council which means he could have been seen as a townie, he must be one of those susipicious ghosts.
Also, I'll like to point out this post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410376&postcount=689
@ATPG
Do you think we should lynch the individual in the post I linked?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 06:12
@ ATPG:
What makes ada so special?
What can he/she do?
Intersting. He joined the Ghost Council which means he could have been seen as a townie, he must be one of those susipicious ghosts.
Also, I'll like to point out this post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410376&postcount=689
@ATPG
Do you think we should lynch the individual in the post I linked?
All these questions require me to conference either with Ada or the Ghost Council, so let me get back to you. I might be up all night but not everyone is.
Hm, Beskar, what would we gain from having the ghosts <-> psychics <-> you connection? If you are a townie with no abilities, you will have no powers to know who is and isn't trustworthy. The ghosts or psychics could tell you that, but in that case, why bother with you at all? As for posting things directly here - enough questions are asked to warrant the ghosts revealing most things.
Speaking of questions, I propose we make a list that we ask at the beginning of each round, formulated in a way that allows the ghosts to at least hint us to what we should ask about. To begin:
What has the ghost council learned from yesterday's day and tonight's night write up?
Which of the information given by the ghosts yesterday is now confirmed or proven wrong?
Which of the ones who died last day/night have joined the ghost council?
What other comments do you have on the actions/discussions of the town?
For now, ATPG, I inquire:
Has the lynching of Beefy changed your suspicions of Joooray, and in what way?
What are the usernames of those who had been affected by night actions, as far as you are willing to give them?
If you had the chance to vote, whom would you vote for?
EDIT: And, to test my assumption - are there facts the ghosts would like to reveal in public, but cannot due to us not asking?
That is all for now, thank you again, no-longer-mortals.
AskThePizzaGuy, how many henchmen does Andres have that we need to get rid of before lynching him, and what are their identities?
There were four at the beginning, now there are... less :grin:
Yes, beefy187 joined the Ghost council.
Beefy187's allegiance was divided it seemed. He was a cultist, but Ada also suspects he served two masters. This is stuff that is not indicated in the public writeup. If this is inaccurate, Ada can contact you directly to clarify.
You see that I spoke the truth about Beefy187 being one of my henchmen.
By all means, keep feeding him information. It has been very useful so far.
If Sasaki is disgruntled, then I offer him my protection. Or at least give me all the information you acquired so that I can use it to save this town.
My role pm specifically states that I am here to save the world of falling into the hands of the ghosts and the evil that controls them.
I am humanity's last chance of survival. Don't waste it.
The pro-town power rules who have in their role description that they need to save the world of being taken over by the dead and their representatives (the Psychics) need to contact me asap. There isn't much time left.
I can't win this fight alone. Please, join me. I realised that I'm not the evil that needs to be destroyed. In fact, I'm the only one capable of saving humanity.
Obviously, I assume that townies and pro-town roles have a mutual interest, namely saving humanity. If not, then it's in the best interest of the town to cooperate with me.
Remember, this is an YLC game; take nothing for granted, nothing is what it appears to be on first sight. In this game, the mafia are the good guys.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 12:03
Due to Beskar's insistence I am beginning to think him a possible Andres henchman. Hence, unvote; vote: Beskar.
ATPG, can our questions be carried over between days? Us asking now, and you replying when it becomes of importance?
Due to Beskar's insistence I am beginning to think him a possible Andres henchman. Hence, unvote; vote: Beskar.
What is wrong with being my henchman?
It's an honest profession. It's also well paid, if I may add.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 13:37
ATPG, can our questions be carried over between days? Us asking now, and you replying when it becomes of importance?
Well yeah. You asked some very good questions I'd like to answer, but you asked them at a time where the ghost council is about as lively (pardon the pun) as the living people's discussion at the moment. I've gotten one response so far to your questions and they weren't helpful at all. I think the ghosts, myself included, would like to see some more activity and discussion from the town before you end up like us.
If for whatever reason I don't get responses you can pose the same questions tomorrow.
Splitpersonality
01-11-2010, 13:37
Argh, logging a vote for the purpose of a vote, may come back and change it if I have time...
Vote: Beskar
It should be noted that i do not cast this vote with intent to kill...
Ah, sorry ATPG, I saw someone say I didn't phrase them directly enough the first time. However, I mean something different with this last question - could I ask questions about what I currently know, die, report (if I become a ghost) the answers to the ghost council, and have them published seeing as they have been asked?
Simply trying to leave something like a "last note" behind :)
To the Ghost Council:
ATPG got converted by Mordiggian before he died.
I don't know what this means, but it's what I learned.
Also, I want you to know that I am not the one who is trying to wake Azathoth.
It's either the Psychics or Mordiggian who have that as their victory condition.
My victory condition is saving humanity by taking out the Psychics. The Psychics are the ones who are in contact with the Ghost Council.
My educated guess:
The Psychics are trying to awake Azathoth and are playing the ghosts and the The Great Old. I think they are misguiding and abusing the ghosts for this purpose and are trying to deceive The Great Old. Mordiggian = "The Great Old". I don't know if he's trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth or not, but my guess is that he isn't.
The Psychics are the true danger in this game, working towards the event of Azathoth's awakening.
Whatever you do, dear Ghosts, do NOT follow the lead of the Psychics. They need to die.
I'd like to ask the town:
a- Are you willing to follow my lead?
b- If I would reveal the identity of one of the Psychics, would you vote him?
I would like to ask the Ghost Council:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?
Mordiggian, please contact me. I think we're on the same side, in a weird, YLC-game kinda way.
That's one of the scummier rationales for a vote I've heard lately, split.
Beskar -- I'm willing to concede you are probably town, given YLC's writeup. But even bonafide certified town can be patsies for the Mafia, willing or or otherwise. If the couple of votes you've gotten are him throwing you under the bus, maybe you'll reconsider your alliances.
Andres, that's an awesome little piece of misdirection you have going there, but really. If you'd wanted to convince us you're benign, you might have skipped killing a claimed pro-town investigator who'd just outed someone who was on your side, and you might have chosen a henchman who wouldn't be depicted in the write-ups as basically pure evil and an indiscriminate killer to boot.
And this is kind of special.
The pro-town power rules who have in their role description that they need to save the world of being taken over by the dead and their representatives (the Psychics) need to contact me asap. There isn't much time left.
... Obviously, I assume that townies and pro-town roles have a mutual interest, namely saving humanity. If not, then it's in the best interest of the town to cooperate with me.
So now the pro-town roles might be bad guys, too, based on the possibility their PMs, SHOCKINGLY, say nothing nasty about psychics? So you're appealing to simple townies based on the theory that the PM-less are the only ones who might not realize you're blowing smoke?
Well played. Sort of.
As for ATPG and his accusation:
ATPG, what recourse does the town have if you are wrong about Sasaki being the root of all evil, or whatever it is you said? (You are dead. We can't take revenge on you.)
Despite that question,
vote: Sasaki Kojiro
because it is evident ATPG is not on Andres' side, and Andres is not on the town's.
Oh, the layers of deception, Andres.
b- If I would reveal the identity of one of the Psychics, would you vote him?
No. Because you've know this person's identity for days and have not made a kill attempt, which undermines your entire story.
I'm on the side of humanity, dear child.
You are being misguided.
The real evil are those who are trying to awake Azathoth. The ghosts are basically townies in the afterlife, and they are being abused by the Psychics, who are the "afterlife mafiosi" so to speak.
Kill me and you'll have doomed yourself to be terrorised for eternity in the afterlife.
Help me finding the Psychics and you'll have a normal life and won't be abused and tortured in the afterlife by the Psychics and the evil they will awake.
Oh, the layers of deception, Andres.
b- If I would reveal the identity of one of the Psychics, would you vote him?
No. Because you've know this person's identity for days and have not made a kill attempt, which undermines your entire story.
Really?
:inquisitive:
Now, tell me, how would you know about someone giving me the identity of a Psychic if you weren't in the camp that wants to get rid of the Psychics yourself?
Why are you trying to deceive the town and me?
Because town and I are on the same side in this fight.
Who's side are you on Renata? The side which tries to save humanity or the side that strives for its' doom?
Unvote : whoever ; Stay of Execution : Renata.
Out your psychic, Andres.
Out your psychic, Andres.
When exactly did I say that I knew a Psychic?
I merely asked if the town would vote him if I exposed him. I never said I actually knew the identity of a Psychic.
What exactly are you getting at?
Oh I don't know, what are YOU getting at?
You offered up a hypothetical psychic on a platter (if town, in our infinite, uninformed-majority sort of wisdom were to agree, that is) for a vote. Now you imply you don't ACTUALLY know the identity of a psychic? Which is it, Andres? Don't hold back, please.
I would like to ask the Ghost Council:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?
Since you didn't phrase it properly:
ATPG, I have a multi-part question for you, courtesy of our friendly hometown Godfather:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?
You said that somebody revealed the identity of a Psychic to me.
Either this is:
a) complete made up nonsense which raises the question: why would a self-declared townie do that?
b) true which raises the question: how would you know that?
- according to you: Andres = wants Psychics dead = Evil
- But: Renata = knows about somebody who revealed the identity of a Psychic to Andres.
You could only know that if that person is on the same team as yourself. Which means you yourself are after the same goal as me: killing the Psychics. But according to yourself, wanting to kill Psychis is Evil.
I'm... confused.
Hence the question: what are you getting at?
I'd like to look into things before making a decision, but I also want the ability to take you out if you'd turn out to be scum.
Which is why I propose a "Stay of Execution : Renata" vote.
You said that somebody revealed the identity of a Psychic to me.
To borrow a phrase:
BZZZZZT! Sorry, try again.
I said no such thing. I said that you've known the identity of a psychic for days, not that someone told you. Unwarranted assumption on your part, or it wasn't an assumption.
Do you, or do you not, know the identity of a psychic? If the answer is yes: you're trying to get us all to believe that the psychics are the big bad of this game; why would you hold back? If the answer is no: what was the purpose of implying that you did?
No... She said you knew a psychic and did nothing. The "for days" part is mildly suspicious, though. Renata, have you any reasons to believe Andres didn't get the name of this psychic just this morning?
I wouldn't have said so otherwise, though it's possible my assumptions have been wrong. I don't really think so, though.
Renata, how would you know what I know?
And if I would already know the identity of the one I'm looking for, then give a reasonable explanation about why I didn't get rid of him yet.
If you read the OP, it states clearly that Lovell wants Psychic 0 dead. If I already knew him, then please, by all means, explain why I would let him live.
That wouldn't make any sense now, would it?
EDIT: You intrigue me. I don't know who you are or what your role in the current events is, but you are interesting. Either you are being played or you're scum yourself. I think it's the latter.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 16:39
I tend to agree 100 % with Renata. No, I don't trust Andres (and don't think anyone should), and no, I wouldn't lynch a psychic if he was presented to me by Andres because Andres commands night kills and thus can eliminate any identified player he wants to, barring an unlucky block/protection. Therefore any suspects he might tell us of would be distraction and vote fodder.
You're the bad guy, Andres, I hope the rest of the town realizes this.
:laugh4:
You really think I can take out whoever I want to take out?
Well, you're wrong!
I need assistance, it's as simple as that.
I offered an alliance to you, dear town. I urge you to accept. It is not my task to kill all of you, but, to be honest, I wouldn't care if I had to take out every single one of you to get the Psychics.
I'm indifferent to your faith, as longs as I get my Psychics.
I could use your help for that and it would make my life easier. And it would spare most of your lives as well.
You can ignore my generosity, if that is what you want. But then you kinda force me to exterminate the entire town.
I'm here to save humanity. I can accomplish that by having everybody in this town killed, but it's not necessary. Your refusal to help me is completely irrational and is guided by fear of thinking out of the box.
Out your psychic, Andres, or admit you were blowing smoke.
Oh, and my current theory is that your hunt for Psychic 0 is just a means to an end. The town's been overrun by psychics and gods and sentient snowbanks and who knows what else; better to kill us all, just to be sure.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 16:48
I am very used to thinking out of the box, but sometimes that isn't needed. Andres is the mafia godfather, the OP says so. The mafia are baddies. Andres is a baddie. Andres goes dying for town to win. The psychics are a (if pretty massive) distraction.
Oh, I think it's going to take more than just killing Andres. There's that guy in the spiffy white suit, at least one murderous cultist, some sort of nasty thing in the woods ... Heck, Andres might be the least of our worries. Still doesn't make him town-friendly.
Out your psychic, Andres, or admit you were blowing smoke.
This is getting ridiculous.
I already said that:
1) I never claimed that I knew the identity of a Psychic; I merely asked if town would help me.
2) I already asked you to give a reasonable explanation for "Andres knows Psychic - Andres didn't even attempt to kill Psychic". Why would I do that if my victory condition is to kill Psychic 0?
In fact, one of the other Psychics or The Great Old One posting the identity of Psychic 0 would probably be sufficient to end this game here and now with the majority of townies still alive. Who's the evil one here, hm?
I don't want everyone dead, but if that is what the so called "pro-town" roles and "pro-town" ghosts want, then so be it. Just be sure not to put the blame on me. I'm not the one being absurdly unreasonable here.
And if the game would not end with killing Psychic 0 then maybe, just maybe, since I prefer to stay alive, I could actually use my resources for the benefit of the town instead of wasting them on finding someone some of you already know but refuse to name to me.
Hmmm...?
Or is the Ghost council out to exterminate all the living? Maybe the Ghost Council is the biggest threat? Or those manipulating it. I suggest the ghosts be very cautious about those trying to tell them what to do.
The biggest threat is the Cultists, not Andres. That doesn't mean Andres is goody too-shoes, he is just the lesser of two evils at the moment.
The thing, Cultists can convert, Cultists can kill, Cultists are not friends of the town at all.
Andres cannot convert, and he has one night kill in the form of Gasmask.
What is scarier is not the known enemy, it is the unknown enemy.
As the Ghost Council even say, from Sigurd, the biggest threat is the guy who's face is a thousand horrors. There is even the Zombie girl. There is even that monster.
If Andres agrees to a temporary deal where he leaves the town alone, or town friendly people, in exchange in assisting in removing mutual enemies. Then that would be a calculated and good move.
Obviously, if Andres breaks his word, the town can return to dealing with him again, but that would work against Andres if he does break his word.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 17:08
Random.org and the "alive list" has decided that Captain Blackadder is Psychic Zero.
There you go, Andres.
Well, at least Andres stopped with the WIFOM, thank you for that.
Who agrees that we should not be hostile to psychics at the moment?
Hmm, I've still not voted. I'll go for Vote: Beskar, although Joooray has been openly declared suspected.... Hm.
Why do you believe him, Beskar? He can't even keep his own story straight.
In fact, one of the other Psychics or The Great Old One posting the identity of Psychic 0 would probably be sufficient to end this game here and now with the majority of townies still alive. Who's the evil one here, hm?
And if the game would not end with killing Psychic 0 then maybe, just maybe, since I prefer to stay alive, I could actually use my resources for the benefit of the town instead of wasting them on finding someone some of you already know but refuse to name to me.
It'll probably end if Psychic 0 dies. But let me live afterwards if it doesn't.
Would you vote for a psychic if I named you one? But wait, maybe I don't actually know one.
Trust me, says the shark.
:inquisitive:
I am really susipicious of these votes. I am a confirmed innocent. You are either scum or an [Language Please - GH] for considering such a move.
Even on top of that, the Ghost Council suggested for you to vote: Sasaki Kojiro, as they are seen as being the pro-town party in a sense with lots of info, wouldn't it make far more sense to follow their idea.
The Jolt cult acuses Beskar of being scum by repeating too many times that he is innocent, when he would not do that if he was innocent.
Vote: Beskar
:inquisitive:
I am really susipicious of these votes. I am a confirmed innocent. You are either scum or an [Language Please - GH] for considering such a move.
Even on top of that, the Ghost Council suggested for you to vote: Sasaki Kojiro, as they are seen as being the pro-town party in a sense with lots of info, wouldn't it make far more sense to follow their idea.
You'd think.
Why do you believe him, Beskar? He can't even keep his own story straight.
It'll probably end if Psychic 0 dies. But let me live afterwards if it doesn't.
Would you vote for a psychic if I named you one? But wait, maybe I don't actually know one.
Trust me, says the shark.
Which part of the word "probably" is unclear to you?
Obviously, I don't know for sure if killing Psychic 0 would end the game or not.
Obviously, in case it doesn't end the game, I would prefer to survive, thank you very much.
Obviously, if Psychic 0 has been killed, then I've done what I'm here for (see the OP, it says I need to take out Psychic 0, nothing else).
Obviously, since my goal is to get rid of Psychic 0 to save humanity, I will no longer have an incentive to kill random people at night, since killing all townies is simply not my objective.
Obviously, I will be more willing to offer my services to those who help/helped me than to those who worked against me.
Why are you so opposed to working together? Are you perhaps a Psychic yourself?
ATPG gave Sasaki Kojiro's name when asked a rather ambiguous question - "ATPG, what is the identity of the greatone/old one/cultist?". Apart from the fact he described him as "evil", we can't quite know if he's truly evil or not. Besides, if Andres truly wanted to get rid of everyone except townies, he'd kill Kojiro in the next night - go ahead, Mr. Lovell.
ATPG gave Sasaki Kojiro's name when asked a rather ambiguous question - "ATPG, what is the identity of the greatone/old one/cultist?". Apart from the fact he described him as "evil", we can't quite know if he's truly evil or not. Besides, if Andres truly wanted to get rid of everyone except townies, he'd kill Kojiro in the next night - go ahead, Mr. Lovell.
I think this game is living vs. dead.
As long as you're alive, you're on my side; once you're dead, you're on the side of the Ghosts.
The Ghosts themselves are innocent beings, being manipulated by the Psychics.
I admit that my methods to find the Psychics have been too blunt. If there's still somebody with investigative power alive, then I suggest he starts cooperating with me (feel free to use somebody else of the living as an intermediary).
Yes, I know that taking out ATPG probably wasn't the brightes idea :shame:
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 17:34
Because in that case it'd be the smart thing to do, valiantly defying you in public and then be eviscerated by Gasmask. Don't underestimate our opponent, Andres, it doesn't suit you.
Also Beskar that reply just made me suspect you more. I have heard of no scan of you (indeed the ghost council even said that they definitely do not trust you) and as such you are not a CI.
It looks like Sasaki dies, don't worry, Beskar. But you're going down after him.
Andres, if Beskar is innocent, kill him tonight. Otherwise, we will waste our lynch with him tomorrow. Failure to target Beskar tonight means that he's your accomplice or lapdog and needs execution.
"The Witch Test". Will Beskar sink?
Feel free to try lynching Beskar, Diamondeye. You'll be in for a surprise. I would be an idiot to let the wisest of you die at your hands.
Andres, state what psychic you know and how you learned about it, or state clearly that you know of none.
Andres, state what psychic you know and how you learned about it, or state clearly that you know of none.
I already answered that question.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve with being so obtuse, but I'm not going to answer the same question again and again.
If you're innocent, then you're doing a pretty good job of making yourself looking suspicious.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 17:41
Feel free to try lynching Beskar, Diamondeye. You'll be in for a surprise. I would be an idiot to let the wisest of you die at your hands.
You are aware that the lynch of Beskar would be yet another lynch not aimed at Psychic 0, I assume.
It looks like Sasaki dies, don't worry, Beskar. But you're going down after him.
No you will, scum.
Afterall, I think a public result from the host saying I am innocent is worth far more than a public result from the host saying you are scum as your reflection bubbled up and exploded.
Or did you forget about that?
Seriously, you just proved yourself that you are scum.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 17:44
No you will, scum.
Afterall, I think a public result from the host saying I am innocent is worth far more than a public result from the host saying you are scum as your reflection bubbled up and exploded.
Or did you forget about that?
Seriously, you just proved yourself that you are scum.
:laugh4:
... Are you being serious? I haven't proven anything and I am an ordinary townie. I was mentioned in the update, yes, but it had no effect and the town concluded that I could wait. Until something more happens to me in the update, I would be a wasted lynch.
Like I said, contrary to the OP, I'm not the evil one here. Those manipulating the Ghosts are. And I'm starting to get a really bad feeling about Diamondeye and Renata.
I would appreciate a majority of Stay of Execution votes for Renata.
I promise I won't have my associates kill next night.
No, I won't kill Beskar; as he said, the host confirmed that he's a townie. Even if you think he's making a mistake by listening to me, he still remains a townie. I fail to see how lynching a townie is in the best interest of... the town ~:confused:
:laugh4:
... Are you being serious? I haven't proven anything and I am an ordinary townie. I was mentioned in the update, yes, but it had no effect and the town concluded that I could wait. Until something more happens to me in the update, I would be a wasted lynch.
You actually forget, I was the one that argued you should be spared for now. But funnily, I get confirmed innocent in the write-up by the host and I am getting voted for by you.
Also, what is even more funny, I get night attacked twice last night by the anti-towns.
I mean, seriously...
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 17:49
I would request not being lynched until one of the ghosts has answered my follow up questions which pizza blatently ignored. Questions about what I'm accused of and who is accusing me need to be answered.
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I mean, and his answers have to make sense too.
I already answered that question.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve with being so obtuse, but I'm not going to answer the same question again and again.
On the contrary, you keep avoiding the question, because you're stuck. If you say clearly that "no, I know of no psychic", then that raises the question of why you would make such an implied offer when you couldn't follow through. And then there's what I might say in response -- I doubt you'd appreciate being contradicted (again).
If you say "yes, and the psychic is X", then the question presents itself: why all the rigmarole of the last several hours? If you were so sure that psychics were evil, you should have done something about it before now, and you should not have played the games you've been playing.
If you're innocent, then you're doing a pretty good job of making yourself looking suspicious.
Projection is such a funny thing, isn't it?
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 18:00
Like I said, contrary to the OP, I'm not the evil one here. Those manipulating the Ghosts are. And I'm starting to get a really bad feeling about Diamondeye and Renata.
I would appreciate a majority of Stay of Execution votes for Renata.
I promise I won't have my associates kill next night.
No, I won't kill Beskar; as he said, the host confirmed that he's a townie. Even if you think he's making a mistake by listening to me, he still remains a townie. I fail to see how lynching a townie is in the best interest of... the town ~:confused:
First of all, Renata and I might fall victim to suspicion because we are... active? Critical against a confirmed antagonist? Why?
Second; You seem awfully eager to save Kojiro. He might be your scum actually. unvote: Beskar; vote: Sasaki.
Third: Since you won't kill Beskar this is the second best solution. I am offering up myself as a night target due to the probability that I will soon transform to a servant of a greater foe. This is, IMHO, the third best solution.
Fourth: Working with an anti-town faction no matter which is against the town's best intentions. Beskar might be an innocent townie on-paper but he is not acting in the best interests of the town.
You actually forget, I was the one that argued you should be spared for now. But funnily, I get confirmed innocent in the write-up by the host and I am getting voted for by you.
Also, what is even more funny, I get night attacked twice last night by the anti-towns.
I mean, seriously...
Yeah, you're right. That's funny. Imma laugh.
:laugh4:
Too bad you sold your soul to Andres and thus survived the attacks, though.
I proposed the opposite, Diamoneye - Kojiro in the night, and Beskar today... Tally?
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 18:06
Diamondeye, I had proposed the same as you, but Beskar dying in the night or tomorrow, and Kojiro dying today... Has anyone kept a tally?
No but I am estimating Sasaki at approx. 8-10, with me and Beskar and SoE: Renata as all gathering one or a couple of votes.
Unvote: Beskar, Vote: Sasaki Kojiro, then, and your plan.
Host would appreciate a tally please :bow:
I see that my write up has stirred some activity, and during the time between now and the day write up, will be posting the remaining clues - please, if you are aiming to win, read them all and consider tham as a whole with what you know :bow:
Also, AVSM, TheFlax, and Centurion1 have not yet voted. Please vote, or I will be forced to WoG you - and you all have been informed or know of your position to boot.
Drat, the day is ending, and I've not gotten nearly any answers yet :(
ATPG, who is Sasaki, and which group does he belong to?
Sasaki Kojiro - Beskar, Seon, Renata, Diamondeye, Sevis
Renata - Centurion1
Thermal Mercury - Sprig
Centurion1 - Thermal Mercury
Diamondeye - Sasaki Kojiro (unexplained!)
Beskar - Split
SoE: Renata - Andres
Scienter
01-11-2010, 19:35
.
I would appreciate a majority of Stay of Execution votes for Renata.
Why?
atheotes
01-11-2010, 19:48
Vote: Sasaki
Inspite of Andres' claims....there is no reason not to trust the ghosts.
@ Scienter: So he can lynch me personally.
Sasaki Kojiro - Beskar, Seon, Renata, Diamondeye, Sevis
Renata - Centurion1
Thermal Mercury - Sprig
Centurion1 - Thermal Mercury
Diamondeye - Sasaki Kojiro (unexplained!)
Beskar - Split
SoE: Renata - Andres
My vote and many others, were unexplained, talk about biased. :shocked:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 20:33
Drat, the day is ending, and I've not gotten nearly any answers yet :(
ATPG, who is Sasaki, and which group does he belong to?
Sasaki Kojiro - Beskar, Seon, Renata, Diamondeye, Sevis
Renata - Centurion1
Thermal Mercury - Sprig
Centurion1 - Thermal Mercury
Diamondeye - Sasaki Kojiro (unexplained!)
Beskar - Split
SoE: Renata - Andres
If this is correct, then I apologize for not roleclaiming earlier. I had thought the voting was closer to tied between me and beskar, and was hoping the town would take pizza's ambiguous accusation and refusal to clarify for what it was worth.
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[edit] and khaan, these are accurate yes?
I picked these two to reveal since they seem innocuous enough (unlike other results). For all I know they might reveal important information, my apologies if they do.
It's not clear from my role pm who the real threat to the town is. My impression is that information needs to be kept under wraps. There may be roles who need to find or eliminate certain people to gain there powers. [edit] description doesn't give the name, it just has the initials as YLC I just noticed, what does this mean? I'll edit that name out for now.
I don't think the results are entirely trustworthy, but I think we need to keep me around. Andres can switch players it seems, but I don't recall it being in the writeup before. It is possible he switched me with someone who is actually "the evil one" or that the ghosts are being misled, or that there are other roles which can mislead by providing false results on someone.
In case it isn't clear, I haven't posted a role name, pm, or other results because it may not be in our interests to share them all. I edited out the name of the 2nd person in case it's important, I'll check up on it.
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deleted investigation results since I'm not allowed to quote the host. YLC, how much can I say?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 20:44
Hm, Beskar, what would we gain from having the ghosts <-> psychics <-> you connection? If you are a townie with no abilities, you will have no powers to know who is and isn't trustworthy. The ghosts or psychics could tell you that, but in that case, why bother with you at all? As for posting things directly here - enough questions are asked to warrant the ghosts revealing most things.
Speaking of questions, I propose we make a list that we ask at the beginning of each round, formulated in a way that allows the ghosts to at least hint us to what we should ask about. To begin:
What has the ghost council learned from yesterday's day and tonight's night write up?
Which of the information given by the ghosts yesterday is now confirmed or proven wrong?
Which of the ones who died last day/night have joined the ghost council?
What other comments do you have on the actions/discussions of the town?
For now, ATPG, I inquire:
Has the lynching of Beefy changed your suspicions of Joooray, and in what way?
What are the usernames of those who had been affected by night actions, as far as you are willing to give them?
If you had the chance to vote, whom would you vote for?
EDIT: And, to test my assumption - are there facts the ghosts would like to reveal in public, but cannot due to us not asking?
That is all for now, thank you again, no-longer-mortals.
What has the ghost council learned from yesterday's day and tonight's night write up?
From the write-ups? The identity of at least one dirtbag.
Which of the information given by the ghosts yesterday is now confirmed or proven wrong?
Sigurd's information didn't seem to be inaccurate, actually. I'd have to go back and check, but I honestly expected that it was inaccurate, for the reason that just because someone was a townie (and you don't know if Sigurd was or not) that doesn't mean they remain such. Case in point....
Which of the ones who died last day/night have joined the ghost council?
Everyone who died; myself, Winston, Beefy, Roadkill have joined the ghost council.
What other comments do you have on the actions/discussions of the town?
I like the discussion since my last comment, and lynching Sasaki Kojiro will be a very good thing.
WOW. I am mightily frustrated by the lack of activity and discussion in the ghost council. Thank you living people for discussing.
From Psychic Zero: The town needs to get organized or we will get steamrolled. We have multiple threats facing us. (not sure what else could be added)
Has the lynching of Beefy changed your suspicions of Joooray, and in what way?
I asked around, and unfortunately we don't know anything/have an opinion about Joooray. Wish I could say if he's scum or not.
What are the usernames of those who had been affected by night actions, as far as you are willing to give them?
Sasaki Kojiro's character was in the write-up last night because his action was blocked by another night action. Beskar obviously, though I can't say if that automatically proves him innocent in spite of the host's wording, because as I said; cults. I prefer not to reveal Psychic Zero or the gods, and I prefer not to reveal who Mordiggan is either.
If you had the chance to vote, whom would you vote for?
Sasaki Kojiro, Sasaki, and then probably Kojiro, just to be sure.
EDIT: And, to test my assumption - are there facts the ghosts would like to reveal in public, but cannot due to us not asking?
Indeed. I also prefer to be addressed by name before responding to every question. Thank you for showing respect for the dead, unlike Sasaki Kojiro. :bow:
@ ATPG:
What makes ada so special?
What can he/she do?
Ada prefers I not reveal anything about Ada.
Intersting. He joined the Ghost Council which means he could have been seen as a townie, he must be one of those susipicious ghosts.
Also, I'll like to point out this post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410376&postcount=689
@ATPG
Do you think we should lynch the individual in the post I linked?
Again, no opinion on Joooray. Do as you will.
ATPG, can our questions be carried over between days? Us asking now, and you replying when it becomes of importance?
We will still be able to contact you tomorrow, gods willing.
Ah, sorry ATPG, I saw someone say I didn't phrase them directly enough the first time. However, I mean something different with this last question - could I ask questions about what I currently know, die, report (if I become a ghost) the answers to the ghost council, and have them published seeing as they have been asked?
Simply trying to leave something like a "last note" behind :)
I believe that is possible... you'd have to double check with the game host.
Sasaki Kojiro - Beskar, Seon, Renata, Diamondeye, Sevis, TheFlax, atheotes
Renata - Centurion1
Thermal Mercury - Sprig
Centurion1 - Thermal Mercury
Diamondeye - Sasaki Kojiro (unexplained!)
Beskar - Split
SoE: Renata - Andres
Yes, biased. Sasaki's vote struck me as odd, and I'm very willing to point that out - soon after the write-up, no text at all with it, and not even mentioned in any of his latter posts.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 20:54
ATPG, who is Sasaki, and which group does he belong to?
Now that you have asked the right question I can answer: The evil one, Sasaki Kojiro, is accused of being Gasmask by the Gods.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 21:02
Now that you have asked the right question I can answer: The evil one, Sasaki Kojiro, is accused of being Gasmask by the Gods.
What makes the gods think that Andres did not use his switching ability on me and Gasmask? It would seem like a very probable ploy. Did you receive a new ghost role pm after becoming a ghost?
I would at least ask for no more votes until I get word back from YLC on whether I can post investigation results.
Well, we were wishing for a way to test the ghosts, and I think this'll be it.
ATPG, are there any more messages any of the members of the ghost council would like to give us, and if so, what are their texts?
Yes, biased. Sasaki's vote struck me as odd, and I'm very willing to point that out - soon after the write-up, no text at all with it, and not even mentioned in any of his latter posts.
Not really, Diamond Eye did have a scummy public post after all.
atheotes
01-11-2010, 21:12
@ ATPG - How did Beefy make it to the ghost council if he was a henchman of Andres? Or was that a wrong assumption?
Can you tell why pevergreen and Lord Winter did not make it to the ghost council?
What is your answer to Andres' claim that the ghosts are being played by the psychics?
:bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 21:14
@ATPG-how come your accusation of me is different than it was originally?
How many votes were you elected by in the council?
Why did you ignore my previous questions?
Well, we were wishing for a way to test the ghosts, and I think this'll be it.
ATPG, are there any more messages any of the members of the ghost council would like to give us, and if so, what are their texts?
They need to be direct questions, and the great alternative to get the information, you shot down as pointless. Oops. :juggle2:
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 21:28
Well, we were wishing for a way to test the ghosts, and I think this'll be it.
ATPG, are there any more messages any of the members of the ghost council would like to give us, and if so, what are their texts?
Needs to be more specific.
@ ATPG - How did Beefy make it to the ghost council if he was a henchman of Andres? Or was that a wrong assumption?
The rules seem to state that good, non-mafia characters become ghosts. So it is perhaps a wrong assumption. However, that does not mean everyone who dies and becomes a ghost is a townie.
Can you tell why pevergreen and Lord Winter did not make it to the ghost council?
Apologies, they might have. pevergreen doesn't speak often and I am not sure if Lord Winter has ever posted there. It's complicated a bit further by the fact we are all supposed to use ghostly names, which means there's a good deal of confusion as to who people are at times.
Well, it confuses me anyway.
What is your answer to Andres' claim that the ghosts are being played by the psychics?
Andres wishes to destroy psychics, so it does not surprise me he would make such a claim. And as for the psychics, I'll say not many psychics speak to us, and if we are being played, they aren't pushing us. There's been nothing recently that I can see where a psychic pushed us in any direction whatsoever. So if we are being played, it's not producing any results because we are being mostly left alone. I'll take it under skeptical advisement (thank Andres so much for the tip) but I'd believe that more if I weren't dead. The Psychics aren't killing people, Andres' henchmen are.
@ATPG-how come your accusation of me is different than it was originally?
How many votes were you elected by in the council?
Why did you ignore my previous questions?
1. Because I am allowed to lie, and people weren't asking the right questions. Even checked with the host to make sure it was legal.
2. Several.
3. You showed me no respect. :bow: Address me by name! :whip:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 21:34
1. Because I am allowed to lie,
ATPG, why are you lying about me?
With YLC's permission:
You decide to investigate Jesse Zhang, who goes by the nick name Khaan. He ride down to his memorabilia shop, and proceed to break open into his shop. He head to his office and rifle through his papers, and learn he is a tad obsessed with his own death and the afterlife, but otherwise he doesn't seem to be that different from any other shop owner.
You manage to sneak about during the night, following the lovely young lady as she goes about her business at a workforce center, and then goes to do volunteer work. You learn from the people that work with her that she is a wonderfully pleasant woman who is ready to help in anyway she can, the poor thing stuck in those old appartments trying to scrap a living by with her husband, and a child on the...oh my, where was I? Oh yes, her name was Yvonne Lucia Clark, mother-to-be and currently working as a volunteer while looking for a steady job.
@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God
How many different factions are there?
Could you name these factions?
Any updates on the guy in the white suit with a face of a thousand horrors?
When I die, can I be the elected Speaker?
Do you know any of the identities of those who attacked me? Can you name their ORG Forum Username for the ones you do?
Is DiamondEye converted and thus a liable lynch choice?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 21:39
ATPG, why are you lying about me?
With YLC's permission:
As to the veracity of the accusation of you being Gasmask, I am just a messenger, and I freely admit I cannot personally guarantee it. Why I lied earlier is because I wished to convey the accusation itself and I saw a loophole where I could accuse you even if the wrong question was asked. Ask the correct questions, and it doesn't become necessary for me to lie.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 21:43
As to the veracity of the accusation of you being Gasmask, I am just a messenger, and I freely admit I cannot personally guarantee it. Why I lied earlier is because I wished to convey the accusation itself and I saw a loophole where I could accuse you even if the wrong question was asked. Ask the correct questions, and it doesn't become necessary for me to lie.
AtPG, what role is the source of this accusation? How do the claim to have come by this information?
It's pretty clear that investigations can be unreliable. ATPG, is the org persona behind the accusation someone with experience in YLC's games such that they might realize that their investigations were not guaranteed accurate?
If you think that last would be too revealing, don't answer it.
ATPG, can the ghosts roleblock? Although this didn't work out well for me in netherworld.
atheotes
01-11-2010, 21:44
@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God
:laugh4: Were you converted into a cultist? :wink:
@ATPG - thanks for the answers.
Can you tell us about the switching ability of Andres? Does he know who is being switched with whom?
:laugh4: Were you converted into a cultist? :wink:
No, I just get free delivery with my next order.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 21:58
@Lord Ask-the-Pizza-God
How many different factions are there? Could you name these factions?
There are probably more than meets the eye. I cannot give you a precise number because it is unknown. There is the town, Andres' mafia, at least 3 cults, pro-town psychics, a claimed neutral psychic, and Azathoth is also a known entity. Should there be more, I do not know of them.
Any updates on the guy in the white suit with a face of a thousand horrors?
There were some rumors that you were such a person, actually, based on your close relationship with Andres and your desire to know who the gods and psychics are. Even if not, which is more likely and I am inclined to believe, gaining such knowledge would make you a risk, because if you were converted, the game would be effectively over. You were curious as to why we don't automatically trust you and this is why...
When I die, can I be the elected Speaker?
If you are not a cult leader or a mafioso, to my knowledge yes it is possible.
Do you know any of the identities of those who attacked me? Can you name their ORG Forum Username for the ones you do?
The ghost council believes that you were attacked by a remnant of Cultured Drizzt Fan's cult, an agent still alive and without their master. Their true identity is presently unknown.
Is DiamondEye converted and thus a liable lynch choice?
That is unknown to the council. We've only just begun our efforts, and we don't have much to report besides a certain suspicious person or two. Ask everything again tomorrow.
Goody, more questions. BRB with more answers.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 22:05
AtPG, what role is the source of this accusation? How do the claim to have come by this information?
The source and methods will be revealed if the accusation is proven false, and not before.
It's pretty clear that investigations can be unreliable. ATPG, is the org persona behind the accusation someone with experience in YLC's games such that they might realize that their investigations were not guaranteed accurate?
It's possible, I'll warrant. I double and tripe-checked with this person because I am not comfortable making such a specific accusation if there's a chance it is wrong. It destroys both my credibility and the source's credibility, and that would greatly hinder the ghost council's efforts.
ATPG, can the ghosts roleblock? Although this didn't work out well for me in netherworld.
Yes, they can roleblock.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 22:07
:laugh4: Were you converted into a cultist? :wink:
@ATPG - thanks for the answers.
Can you tell us about the switching ability of Andres? Does he know who is being switched with whom?
Again I don't have personal knowledge of this. However, I would guess that in order for such an ability to be both useful to a mafioso and effective, he would have to have the ability to direct it. So in my opinion he does.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 22:08
The source and methods will be revealed if the accusation is proven false, and not before.
It's possible, I'll warrant. I double and tripe-checked with this person because I am not comfortable making such a specific accusation if there's a chance it is wrong. It destroys both my credibility and the source's credibility, and that would greatly hinder the ghost council's efforts.
Yes, they can roleblock.
Very well. I make the following suggestion: roleblock me tonight. Unfortunately it is possible that Andres will decide that removing an investigator and the ghost action and framing me is worth having his henchman abstain from killing. But it will give us another night, perhaps your man can check me again?
ATPG, is this plan amenable to you?
gaining such knowledge would make you a risk, because if you were converted, the game would be effectively over. You were curious as to why we don't automatically trust you and this is why...
An acceptable response. But there needs to be a risk some where for us to truely win, and I doubt Psychic Zero should make such a risk.
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 22:21
Very well. I make the following suggestion: roleblock me tonight. Unfortunately it is possible that Andres will decide that removing an investigator and the ghost action and framing me is worth having his henchman abstain from killing. But it will give us another night, perhaps your man can check me again?
ATPG, is this plan amenable to you?
I'll pass it along, not that I have to, because the other ghosts are reading this.
In my opinion, the main problems with that plan being that it:
A) uses a roleblocking action on someone who, if innocent, will die anyway, as a claimed investigator would.
B) uses an action on someone we already used an action on to determine that they might be a suspect, when we could just lynch you, and if we didn't lynch you and you were innocent, you'd still die at night via murder...
C) We could protect you at night, and use a roleblock on you, thus tying up two vital resources, when if what you're saying is true, Andres could just switch you again. So you know such a plan is likely to fail and waste resources.
If you are innocent, I sympathize with your situation, but if we are to believe your investigation results, which weren't all that helpful (and, to be frank, surprisingly low in number) you'd need to be checked out yet again, or dead. It is far more economical to have you dead IMO. It isn't at all likely that we could keep you alive long enough to both determine the veracity of what you're saying, and allow you to continue your investigative efforts, if any. I also think it is necessary to see if my source is trustworthy/competent.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 22:26
I won't die at night due to murder :beam:
I didn't post all the investigation results because the others might have compromised important roles (such as ada). I think the unnamed role is somewhat interesting too, because I'm betting if I investigated someone important, there might just be a small clue that they were in an otherwise inocuous result.
Vote: Beskar
I´m sorry I havent followed this game as dilligently as others. I´ll have a bit of catching up to do...
Vote: Beskar
I´m sorry I havent followed this game as dilligently as others. I´ll have a bit of catching up to do...
Scum.
What makes the gods think that Andres did not use his switching ability on me and Gasmask?
Based on the write-up, I would have guessed the switching ability was used on Beskar and the unidentified young man (symbolized by the transfer of Beskar's coat). That leaves no switching left over for you.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 22:37
Based on the write-up, I would have guessed the switching ability was used on Beskar and the unidentified young man (symbolized by the transfer of Beskar's coat). That leaves no switching left over for you.
It hasn't been said that I was investigated last night.
All right then, if you're going to play that game -- Andres' ability was also in play the previous night, with Ada and Winston Hughes. Do you mean to imply seriously that the ghosts have been sitting on this for three days?
Oh great deliverer of pizzas, do reply: When was the information obtained on Sasaki? And while you're at it, does anyone you're in touch with have any other suspects?
From me, earlier:
ATPG, what recourse does the town have if you are wrong about Sasaki being the root of all evil, or whatever it is you said? (You are dead. We can't take revenge on you.)
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 22:53
I don't see why you singled out the one possible explanation for the result. Is that your "game"?
And these, courtesy of Andres:
ATPG, I have a multi-part question for you, courtesy of our friendly hometown Godfather:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?
I don't see why you singled out the one possible explanation for the result. Is that your "game"?
You're implying I know that you were investigated last night, as opposed to more than two days ago. Fine. Imply away.
Diamondeye
01-11-2010, 22:56
If you really are a pro-town role, I appreciate your struggle, Kojiro, but I am inclined to believe that this is not the case. And the safe way of finding out is lynching you.
@ATPG: Good to have an active speaker for the ghost town. My congratulations to them for electing a good speaker and a suggestion that they keep you as speaker. And glad more players are weighing in now despite the short and mostly bland posts.
Centurion1
01-11-2010, 22:58
Also, AVSM, TheFlax, and Centurion1 have not yet voted. Please vote, or I will be forced to WoG you - and you all have been informed or know of your position to boot.
I did vote..... for renata
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 23:00
If you really are a pro-town role, I appreciate your struggle, Kojiro, but I am inclined to believe that this is not the case. And the safe way of finding out is lynching you.
That's not a safe way.
When there's five people left, and you are desperately trying to decide who is the last mafioso, will my lynching have been "safe"?
Askthepizzaguy
01-11-2010, 23:00
All right then, if you're going to play that game -- Andres' ability was also in play the previous night, with Ada and Winston Hughes. Do you mean to imply seriously that the ghosts have been sitting on this for three days?
Oh great deliverer of pizzas, do reply: When was the information obtained on Sasaki? And while you're at it, does anyone you're in touch with have any other suspects?
The information was obtained last night.
We have an unfortunate lack of leads other than Sasaki, mainly because people aren't praying. However, some have noted to me in their prayers that Khazaar was inactive for a while but suspiciously not on the WOG list, and his posts seem pretty scummy. Warrants more suspicion. Without more investigation/blocking results, it is the blind leading the blind. Don't rely just on us for suspects.
ATPG, I have a multi-part question for you, courtesy of our friendly hometown Godfather:
a- Are you trying to awake Azathoth?
b- Are you trying to prevent the awakening of Azathoth?
c- Are you under the impression that the Psychics are trying to manipulate you?
d- Is Mordiggian aka The Great Old a bit too cooperative with the Psychics for your taste?
Such numerous questions! I am in pizza heaven. (literally!) http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/pizza.gif
A) No, quite the opposite.
B) Yes. If you truly seek to eliminate Azathoth, even if purely for your own survival Andres, then don't interfere with the town's efforts. Maybe even stop murdering for a while.
C) It is possible, but they aren't being very effective if so.
D) Mordiggian is an interesting, fascinating figure. I would prefer it if Mordiggian work with the town and the psychics rather than with Andres, anyway.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-11-2010, 23:02
If there is support for lynching Khazaar, may I suggest a counter wagon?
unovote:diamondeye, vote:Khazaar
Splitpersonality
01-12-2010, 00:28
Unvote; Vote:Khazaar
Reverse bandwagon for the win!
White_eyes:D
01-12-2010, 00:44
Vote:Sasaki Kojiro In a game of chess.....I always like to think two or three moves ahead of my opponent...it's about time I got you back for faking those Pm's in "Riftwar":bounce:
Ask the Pizza Guy, do you know of anything "love" related in the game?
Askthepizzaguy
01-12-2010, 01:16
Ask the Pizza Guy, do you know of anything "love" related in the game?
Yes, there is a claimed character who can link two people through love. This causes a specific effect to happen to both people if it happens to one of them. I've known who they are and what they've been doing for a while now.
For the glorious pizza,
Is Sevis a known town role?
Is Renata a known town role?
[known = you know they are a town role]
Askthepizzaguy
01-12-2010, 01:27
For the glorious pizza,
Is Sevis a known town role?
Is Renata a known town role?
Neither are known town roles.
Oh this is going to be a fun night. :beam:
The mischief I can pull, I hope some people have protection, because they will otherwise be getting killed tonight if anything happens to me.
ATPG, which two people do you think are the scummiest so far?
Askthepizzaguy
01-12-2010, 01:40
ATPG, which two people do you think are the scummiest so far?
In terms of who I think are scummy, I think Khazaar and Wishazu both seem pretty scummy. In terms of who should be lynched this round, however, I already stated the top suspected evil, and I haven't changed my mind on that.
CCRunner
01-12-2010, 02:09
Vote: Sasaki
vote:Sasaki I'm not falling for your counter-bandwagon trick again. Instead of defending yor self you just try and switch the votes to someone else.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-12-2010, 02:19
vote:Sasaki I'm not falling for your counter-bandwagon trick again. Instead of defending yor self you just try and switch the votes to someone else.
What do you mean "again"? Have you fallen for it before, or are you a liar?
"instead of defending your self" --> :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-12-2010, 02:20
Vote: Saski
You might want to edit the spelling on this to make sure it counts.
CCRunner
01-12-2010, 02:25
Thank's for that :wink:
Scienter
01-12-2010, 04:14
I'm not as suspicious of Sasaki was I was in the other game. But I don't want let Andres kill Renata either. Vote: Sevis
I have suddenly started feeling ill, and need to take some time for myself. Write up will be done, just not right away - sorry for the delay, I'd thought I'd actually be on time this time :laugh4:
Diamondeye
01-12-2010, 09:02
Vote:Sasaki Kojiro In a game of chess.....I always like to think two or three moves ahead of my opponent...it's about time I got you back for faking those Pm's in "Riftwar":bounce:
... This game has nothing to do with earlier games. This reason for a vote makes me suspect you. It's not like you need any more reason to vote Sasaki than what's already provided. FoS: White Eyes
White_eyes:D
01-12-2010, 09:33
In a game of chess.....I always like to think two or three moves ahead of my opponent...:bounce:
That has plenty to do with this game......or should I spell it out?:clown:
Depending on the result....you might regret that FoS:2thumbsup:
End Day 6...
To tired - really need to get to work on these. Threaten me more GH.
[In the words of a certain Dread Pirate, as you wish - GH]
"I'll call it"
A sigh collapses across the card table as the men opposite of Renard Black seem to become even more disgruntled, if that were possible. "Why do you always call it on diamonds? I mean, c'mon man!" both cry out. Renard simply shrugs, obviously enjoying the moment. "Your overreacting, just play the cards as they are dealt."
"Yea, we've been hearing that all night long - and all night long you've been taking our money left and right. If I didn't know better..." Renard immediately looked up, and nocked his cigar into the corner of his mouth. His eyes narrowed as he replied, "And if you did know better? Are you accusing me of cheating? I find that notion offensive..."
One of the other players stepped in, adding his voice to the pile, "Well, if your not cheating, your the damnedest lucky man I've ever known. You haven't lost a hand that you haven't thrown." Renard sensed all eyes were on him, and he knew he was in tight pinch. Silence pervaded the room as the others around the card table got up, and all Renard could do was drink from his glass of bourbon.
"Cheers - to warm feelings and heartfelt friendships."
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"Oh, for goodness sake, it was self defense! Why am I in here, when they are out there!?", Renard cried from behind his prison cells bars. He rubbed his sore shoulder, and looked about with his one good eye at his surroundings, shuddering and immediately deciding death would be preferable.
Licking his fingers clean of his ham sandwich, the deputy officer leaned back in his plush leather chair, and laughed. "Because we also had a report from a hooker down on 7th avenue that she has attended to your 'needs' several times over the past few nights. And that we got evidence to support those gentleman's claims that you were cheating in that fine gambling establishment."
Renard looked on with incredulity. "You are going to believe a overdressed two-bit whore who just wanted to get out of prison for a day? What kind of town is this?!" The deputy looked over at Renard with complete disinterest and remiss, apparently more concerned with whatever was printed upon his year old magazine.
Sighing to himself, Renard decided he might as well try it. Clearing his throat, Renard spoke in a soothing, hypnotic tone. "Good sir, would you please kindly hand me the keys to my cell? I would pay you most handsomely, and help you with your issues between you and your boss, as you seem to be a swell fellow who cares about the common guy, like me."
Normally, the deputy would have started laughing at such a ridiculous plea, but instead his eyes glazed over and he could only mumble to himself as his body started to get up and get the keys. Renard sighed, rubbing his hands together in anticipation as the deputy stumbled his way over to Renard. The deputy was within five feet, Renard's arm outstretched grasping for the keys, when the sheriff entered.
A moment of awkward silence followed as the deputy, his eyes sightless and his face numb and drooling, looked at the sheriff, and then Renard's grip was broken, the deputies fears at losing his job overcoming Renard's hold. The deputy shook his head, his mind coming back, and an accusatory look coming over his face. "You, your one of the psychics! Sheriff, he took over my mind, honest! I couldn't do but naught what he told me to!"
The sheriff nodded. "I saw, looks like we got us a nice catch here. Lovell will be happy, I know that." All Renard could do was despair, and made his despair rather vocal by cursing every god from every pantheon he had knowledge of.
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"They say they have a psychic? Wonderful news, Sam, please, go with my men and claim him." Lovell sat back and sipped ona bit of gin before turning back to attend to his prepared lecture for the crowd that day, modifying some lines to have a more fatherly and uplifting tone, while still stressing the need to "Give me what I want, and I'll go away" parts.
Gasmask simply nodded, his mask haven been pilfered from him the night earlier, but even now his face was hard to discern - it was as if sunlight itself avoided his features, casting him in shadow now. He motioned to two guards nearby with a wave of his palm, and they followed, robotically, obediently.
Just as Gasmask exited, Lovell called out one last command. "Oh, and tell the sleeper to wake. He's spent far to long in bed and if he stays in it any longer he will find himself over tired." Gasmask made no sign that he had heard or acknowledged, except for having stopped until Lovell had finished, and then resume walking.
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Renard had been in sticky situations beforehand, stickier ones then this. Yet, somehow, he just couldn't see himself getting away from a huge mob of armed villagers who had bound and gagged him, while they were marching and chanting on their way to Lovell's mansion. "Standard fare I suppose - could be worse, I could be stuck like a pig for a roast," thought Renard.
Renard looked about him, and gave up for the hundredth time when he realized he was in the mass of the mob,m and resigned himself to simply listening."This chanting sure is annoying though - not one of them could carry a tune if it was the skin on their back. Tone deaf imbeciles." He soon decided that listening as he was now was not good for his health, and tried with commendable effort to tune it out.
After an undefined time, he was rudely awoken when his face contacted with the steps of Lovell's mansion. Looking up, Renard stared into the concerned eyes of Lovell. For a moment they held each others gaze, until Lovell broke it to look up and ask the crowd.
"Who is this? Who have you brought me?"
"A psychic! One who can hold sway over a mans mind!", the crowd chanted back.
Lovell looked down at Renard, and his face turned to disgust, and Renard hung his head, understanding what was to follow. Lovell raised his arms to silence the crowd, and as he did so, a man in a bowler hat and brown overcoat came limping forward, struggling heavy on his cane. The crowd gave him a wide berth as he tumbled forward towards Lovell. However, just before he hit the ground, the man in the overcoat did a quick somersault, shedding his disguise and standing fully erect in his white fedora and suit, his cane twirling in his hand in a display of show.
Leaning close into Lovell, he pulled out a pair of reading glasses from inside his coat, tipped his hat up, and pulled a piece of paper from nowhere, from which he began to read.
"Have you missed me? I have some advice for you:
Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise.
I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.
Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we're in for nasty weather."
He took a quick bow, both to Lovell and the crowd, who responded by clapping enthusiastically. Cries, gasps, and screams ran through the crowd as the source of the applause was revealed - amongst those living, where those long dead, their bodies in various states of decay, all frsh from having drug themselves up from their graves.
Tipping his hat to Lovell, Nyxius snapped his fingers, and the ghouls began to form up, as if to attack, hunger in their faces. "If you do not mind, I will be taking this man for my own collection. I am sure you won't disagree." Nyxius laughed a evilly, and immediately, the undead began to breakout into song and dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA), with Nyxius taking lead.
The crowd, startled, screamed and panicked, scattering as Nyxius lifted Renard, now screaming and panicking himself desperately trying to cry for help, effortlessly and tossed him to the ghouls, who lifted him up in the air, and to the beat of their tune, carted him off, Nyxius himself being lifted up as if a King, waving his hat jovially at the terrified citizens as they marched their way to the cemetery.
Lovell and Gasmask simply stood in shock, totally in awe of the performance, and in the suddenness of it. Lovell turned to go back in side as Gasmask continued to watch, muttering about needing something stronger to drink.
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After the the lynch debacle, the town soon realized that the owner of their largest grocery store had disappeared. The mystery as to where he had disappeared to was soon revealed - the cemetery - for his screams as he was devoured alive were quite distinct.
Sasaki Kojiro, aka Renard Black, has been lynched, and AVSM, aka Grocery Store Owner, has been eaten alive (WoGGeD)
Sasaki Kojiro - 9 (Seon, Renata, Diamondeye, Sevis, atheotes, TheFlax, A1_unit, CCRunner, White Eyes)
Renata - 1 (Centurion1)
Thermal Mercury - 1 (Sprig)
Centurion1 - 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Beskar - 1 (Khazaar)
SoE: Renata - 1 (Andres)
Sevis - 1 (Scienter)
Khazaar - 4 (Split, Beskar, Sasaki Kojiro)
Alive(26)
Atheotos
Beskar
Sprig
Double A
Renata
Yaseikhaan
Centurion1
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Scienter
SplitPersonality
Seon
CCRunner
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
rhawn
A1_Unit
TheFlax
Andres
White Eyes:D
Wishazu
Diamondeye
Sevis
Jooray
Jolt
Nictel
Quite Dead(15)
ACIN
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Death is yonder
Sigurd
pevergreen
CDF
Askthepizzaguy
Winston Hughes
Beefy187
Roadkill
slashandburn
Yaropolk
Sasaki Kojiro
AVSM
Please begin sending in night orders :bow:
The good news, gleaned from the write-ups: there is a Mr. Black associated with Lovell. The bad news: based on the most recent write-up they both turned up in, Black and Gasmask do not appear to be the same person. I think maybe the mask was intended to be more than symbolic.
Diamondeye
01-12-2010, 22:10
I think maybe the mask was intended to be more than symbolic.
Could you clarify what you mean by this? I am not sure I follow.
Sorry. Adastreia is shown as removing Gasmask's mask. Then we have a card flip that seems to show an incorrect identification. But the person falsely identified still seems to have been associated with Lovell. Andres only seems to have the one killer. That seems a reasonable balancing mechanism, don't you think? Let Gasmask's identity be protected from investigation, but not indefinitely, and maybe not without the exposure of a less-valuable teammate in exchange.
I'd like to see the write-up, though, in case I'm making a fool of myself.
Diamondeye
01-12-2010, 22:50
That actually makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. I would find it plausible but as you say, the writeup might tell.
Sasaki claimed investigator and said he knew the identity of Ada, etc. Gasmask would have known the identity of Ada through going to kill her. Which means if Gasmask doesn't show up again, it is a possibility that he got killed.
Still no write-up?
Oh, I'm so excited. I'm very curious to know what Dr. Lovell will do tonight, but, in all honesty, I don't have a clue.
Anyone has any ideas? Some speculation? What would he be up to?
Exciting, isn't it?
Still no write-up?
Oh, I'm so excited. I'm very curious to know what Dr. Lovell will do tonight, but, in all honesty, I don't have a clue.
Anyone has any ideas? Some speculation? What would he be up to?
Exciting, isn't it?
:juggle2:
My sides are splitting, you're killing me.
Double A
01-13-2010, 20:25
Still no write-up?
Oh, I'm so excited. I'm very curious to know what Dr. Lovell will do tonight, but, in all honesty, I don't have a clue.
Anyone has any ideas? Some speculation? What would he be up to?
Exciting, isn't it?
Indeed.
Or you could just post your night orders, as well as your associates :clown:
GeneralHankerchief
01-13-2010, 20:27
Prod prod prod.
In all seriousness, this game does need to pick up the pace.
Double A
01-13-2010, 20:29
What I gather from Pizza, the dead are more active than the living.
Greeting YLC
Tonight I wish to kill Askthepizzaguy.
No wait, I'll kill Death is Yonder
actually hes dead, I'll kill Sasaki Kojoro instead.
Thanks
:mellow:
Double A
01-13-2010, 21:14
TM's a psychic with the power of killing people after they die!
Centurion1
01-14-2010, 02:16
^ OHHHHH so incredibly useful..........
Double A
01-14-2010, 06:09
Better than most townies who's major night action is "cower in fear."
Okay, okay - I'll be getting everything back up and running soon enough. I am exceptionally sorry for the second delay in this game, and I know it is wearing on everyone's patience - a thousand pardons. :bow:
I will also be creating a summary thread to help with those that wish to analyze the write ups more closely.
Summaries for the game are up, for everyone's sanity (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=125448)
Double A
01-14-2010, 18:52
Too late, I had already lost mine before I even joined the org.
I would ask for people to bear with me for awhile longer. I cannot attend to the write up tonight due to personal reasons.
Double A
01-15-2010, 02:21
By personal, do you mean finals tomorrow, or that even you don't know what's going on?
By personal, do you mean finals tomorrow, or that even you don't know what's going on?
By personal, he means keep your nose out of it :wink:
GH is getting anxious YLC. :O
FoS: Renata for keep on sending me really weird messages.
Apparently, if Lovell is a Irish name, I am scum, if it is a Scottish name, I am neutral, if it Russian I am Psychic Zero and if it is a Jamacian name, the host has been smoking something.
FoS: YLC for not posting the results.
It's not a Russian name, Ловелл just doesn't look right.
Sorry YLC but i`m going to have to withdraw from this game, my home internet has been cut off and I can only really play 1 game at a time(Dark Falls at the moment).
It won't be a great loss though, i havn't really participated much, sorry again.
GeneralHankerchief
01-17-2010, 18:00
It has now been over 5 days since this game has advanced, and over 2 and a half since YLC asked for extra time.
I'm sorry, but I cannot allow this to go on for much longer. If things don't get moving within 24 hours, then I will be forced to close the game. Future phases will not be allowed to drag as well.
I will be very sad if this ends early. It's really only been just since New Year that I've been able to participate fully, but it's been a lot of fun in that time.
Seconded - and I'd rather have this continue without write-ups than stop right here.
scottishranger
01-17-2010, 18:46
3rded from beyond the grave
Diamondeye
01-17-2010, 19:01
I'm sad to see this game slow to a halt just when it became interesting. But I think what makes the game so interesting is the writeups and the story-heavy feel of it. I am not sure I'd like it without the writeups.
Anyhow; YLC, please do your best to keep it running :yes:
Double A
01-17-2010, 19:23
This game is more confusing and complicated than anything I've ever played and actually paid attention too. Please continue, even if you have to shorten the writeups somehow.
Since the game isn't to continue, I will tell you the biggest clincher of all.
I am Psychic Zero, and I conned Andres into giving me protection by protending to work for him. That is why it was a mask in the hunt (evident in the write-up) and it was my cause to assist and help the towns interest. I worked with AskthePizzaGuy to make myself both scummish and town at the same time to stop any town roles from doing anything silly like stopping me, and convincing enough to lure Andres into a false sense of security.
Suckers!
https://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8355/psychiczeroandada.jpg
The chick in the green hair is Ada, my concubine. We are tied together by love against the evil Doctor Lovell and his evil schemes.
You would have never guessed my excellent enginneering and ploys in the game to decimate the Mafia while making them think I was one of them. I excelled above edexcel and its spreadsheet capicabilities. For I, and only I, am the one true Psychic Zero!
CCRunner
01-18-2010, 06:45
What'd be even funnier is if YLC cross-posted with a write-up advancing the game :wink:
To make it even funnier, not even the Ghost Council (except for Pizza and Sigurd) knew I was actually Psychic Zero.
https://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2408/ghostbustersn.jpg
Because since the Mafia was obviously able to access it, I used a false identity, so most of them in there think I am actually some one else, those poor fools. Also, I didn't appreciate those slanderous comments against my character. You know I am talking about.
I loved how the Great Old God was going "Beskar is ruining my neferaious evil schemes! I so hate him!" while I was reading his posts of him crying and screaming about being a goody goody misunderstood pro-town, it was hilarious.
I mean seriously, how maany pro-town roles do you know who look like this:
https://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3280/cthulhu.jpg
I am really sure he is on our side!
As I said, I assure you that Lovell is not a Russian name. Interesting move, though.
I hope that was a fake claim since I still have hope for the game to continue...
Askthepizzaguy
01-18-2010, 11:20
There is still at least 6 hours left before the game is forced to close. Can people not jump to conclusions or ruin the game prematurely.
*Whoooo/disappears*
Don't worry, I'm good at pretending like I didn't see that.
*** rushes off to change his night orders ***
GAME WILL CONTINUE! I AM WORKING FEVERISHLY ON THE WRITE UPS AS WE SPEAK - ONE DOWN, ONE TO GO. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME!
Don't worry, I'm good at pretending like I didn't see that.
*** rushes off to change his night orders ***
You mean you are not going to kill me tonight now? :beam:
aka reference to your:
I'm sorry, you are going to die.
Don't take it personal.
A.
I mean, you protect me one night then you kill me the next? Where is the love?! :cry:
Okay, Day 6 has been updated - please read it. I think it's a bit of a comic masterpiece.
Wait what? You decide to say that now? You just basically said the ghosts were evil and were working with the cane man with a face of thousand horrors, or something like that at least.
Okay, Day 6 has been updated - please read it. I think it's a bit of a comic masterpiece.
It still says "Under Construction" :mean:
Wait what? You decide to say that now? You just basically said the ghosts were evil and were working with the cane man with a face of thousand horrors, or something like that at least.
Why would I contradict myself? There is a clue in all that, and you need to find it to understand why I did what I did. Read more carefully and you will see I never said anything about "Ghosts".
It still says "Under Construction" :mean:
Fixxed.
It still says "Under Construction" :mean:
He posted it in thread. He hasn't updated that topic yet.
Basically, the ghouls do a dancing jig with Nyixus (michael jackson with a face of a thousand horrors) carrying away Sasaki as he is screaming and shouting, and the town runs away and you and Gasmask just stand there staring in shock.
ghouls = ghosts
Need to call the ghost busters on the both of them.
He posted it in thread. He hasn't updated that topic yet.
Basically, I didn't really read deeply into the write up like I should have
Fixxed again.
So you meant ghouls as in Zombies then? Curse the English language.
Tipping his hat to Lovell, Nyxius snapped his fingers, and the ghouls began to form up, as if to attack, hunger in their faces. "If you do not mind, I will be taking this man for my own collection. I am sure you won't disagree." Nyxius laughed a evilly, and immediately, the undead began to breakout into song and dance, with Nyxius taking lead.
Cultured Drizzt fan
01-18-2010, 15:21
Since the game isn't to continue, I will tell you the biggest clincher of all.
I am Psychic Zero, and I conned Andres into giving me protection by protending to work for him. That is why it was a mask in the hunt (evident in the write-up) and it was my cause to assist and help the towns interest. I worked with AskthePizzaGuy to make myself both scummish and town at the same time to stop any town roles from doing anything silly like stopping me, and convincing enough to lure Andres into a false sense of security.
Suckers!
https://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8355/psychiczeroandada.jpg
The chick in the green hair is Ada, my concubine. We are tied together by love against the evil Doctor Lovell and his evil schemes.
You would have never guessed my excellent enginneering and ploys in the game to decimate the Mafia while making them think I was one of them. I excelled above edexcel and its spreadsheet capicabilities. For I, and only I, am the one true Psychic Zero!
I want to be able to talk about this..... but I can't. I will just settle my urge with this :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
wait..... ghouls you say?........... :daisy: :daisy: :daisy: I knew it!
Well that was amusing.
Fine fine, you can be the female with the green hair. Happy now?
End Night 6...
Beware the Erinyes. Beware for whom Tisiphone answers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtAmFKaThNE)
Cynthia sighed as she leafed through her book. Words, all words, yet she had to do this because it would make ends meat, and ever since Lynn Strange had taken over kelly green's duties at the library. The man was short handed, and Cynthia, a wanderer by nature, needed both a place to stay, and food to eat - Lynn Strange was desperate, and was willing to offer her that in exchange for her working at the library.
"Done yet Cynthia?", Lynn inquired as he walked passed, rolling a cart chock full of disorganized books. Cynthia looked over with tired eyes and simply shook her head no, and returned to her work. Lynn shrugged and began to move on but stopped in wonder as the books on the cart began to wobble and shake about. Suddenly they began to throw themselves at Lynn, who was forced to the ground, yelping in pain.
Cynthia was on her feet to get to Lynn, but was blocked by falling debris from the roof. Looking up, she spotted a huge red skinned creature, with pincers for arms and a large circular mouth, a great big razor sharp tongue lashing out, coated in blood. It lept from the hole it had made down to the ground, making a sweeping motion with one of it's claws towards Cynthia, who flipped out of the way just in time.
Roaring in frustration, it charged, overturning everything in it's path. Quickly rolling to the side to avoid it, the beast crashed through several rows of bookshelves and throwing up huge piles of debris. taking the opportunity, Cynthia raced over to Lynn and grabbed him, pulling him away from the possessed books which had formed into a fist of sorts and had been pounding on the poor librarian.
Throwing open the door to the library, Cynthia pulled both of them to the ground as a many mouthed creature, recognizably human, threw itself at them as soon as the door had swung open. Quickly crawling back away from it as it heaved itself after them, all it's mouths drooling a terrible acid which dissolved everything it touched, gaped open and shut, seeking out Cynthia. Leading it on a little bit more, the two managed to get it away from the door, which both dashed out of, not looking back until they were a mile away.
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Elijah Quigley was a simple man. Yes, he was confused about the events that had occurred as of late, and true, he had mad some weird accusations in some peoples eyes - truly, if one talked to much, it meant that one wasn't searching for those psychics, and thus wasn't listening to the good Doctor Lovell, who was simply just trying to save them after all.
Tonight, Elijah decided to go out for a drive, and seating himself comfortably, turned on his car. He put it in gear and drove a couple blocks before his radio suddenly kicked on, and began playing "Chariots of Fire". Elijah looked down at his radio suspiciously.
From the rooftop of a nearby building, the cultist raised his arms in praise. "A sacrifice, befitting you my master, most high! I send a gift of ancient Prometheus' fire on wings!" With that, he clicked the button on the remote in his hand, which caused poor Elijah's car to explode and burst into a thunderous blaze, launching it slightly up into the air before crashing down in finality.
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Quinn chuckled as he looked at the note, written in Yvonne's beautiful handwriting. The way it curved, the way she wrote...it just made Quinn's heart melt. He read it first to himself, and then aloud.
"Let us meet in the park, at our spot closest to our hearts, where the stars shine most beautifully upon us during the midnight hours."
Quinn folded the note up gently, his curiosity piqued by this sudden turn of events. But he smiled, knowing whatever was planned would be most wonderful.
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Yvonne sat, cross legged, the moonlight streaming upon her and illuminating her pale, elven face and dark hair. Her hands worked back and forth as she knitted with precision befitting of someone who had mastered their art, a smile most glowing upon her face as she worked her needles. She coln't wait to see Quinn, and tell him of the news.
A sudden uneasy feeling pervades Yvonne as a shadow casts itself over the moonlight, and she ceased knitting. The air grew cold, and Yvonne called out, "Quinn?", her voice slightly unsteady. When no answer came, she closed her eyes, and understood what was to come. "You have come for me finally, I see."
Gasmask, without his iconic mask, his face a mist of shadows concealing human features, stood next to her, looking down upon Yvonne almost pityingly. Speaking for the first time, in a dual angelic voice, Gasmask responded. "Yes, I have come to collect - you have cheated death long enough, Yvonne Lucia Clark."
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Running into the park excited, Quinn dahsed into the grove of trees which led to a small, perfectly circular clearing. However, confusion ensnared his mind as he did not see Yvonne before him, but Jesse Zhang, who sprang to life and rushed the stunned Quinn. "You, you are here! He said, he told me you could release me! Oh please tell me it is true!" Jesse continued to hang onto Quinn, until the latter snapped out of his stupor and grabbed Jesse by the shoulders and shook him.
"WHERE IS SHE! WHO SENT YOU! ANSWER ME!" Jesse however was long gone, his eyes full of hopeful fervor. "Oh you will kill me! KILL ME, KILL ME, KILL MEEEEE!" Quinn shrugged the man of of him, throwing him to the ground. Backing up, Quinn spun on his heels and ran back to the apartment as fast as he could, leaving Jesse to wail and lament, begging for his death.
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"If you do this, there is no turning back." Yvonne remained calm, her hand folded, looking out the window at the angelic full moon casting it's rays throughout the apartment, revealing both Yvonne's face and Gasmasks, who had the appearance of a young woman, but yet male, his feature smooth and streamlined, his hair a wispy platinum.
"I fully understand the consequences of my actions. This must be done, the cycle must complete - you know this is true."
Yvonne shook her head. "It does not have to be this way, I have seen an alternate path...one that will end all bloodshed, all chaos. The path I follow will bring humanity into a new era - you would quash that, in some vain hope of maintain the failing order we have now, Samael?"
Sam turned his back toward Yvonne. "I do what I must, to follow the path I see. Not everyone can follow you Yvonne, you know this, you know that what you seek will only be for a few..."
Yvonne stood, spinning on her heels, and pulled Sam around, and proceeded to backhand him sharply. "That, is a LIE. I would have never expected Lovell's message to seat itself so deeply in your heart Samael..."
Looking at Yvonne with pity, he replied calmly, "Has your peace been said?". Yvonne straightened, steely determination in her eyes. "Know that when you take me, you are taking more then one life, and know that by killing me, you seal your own fate..."
"It will be painless, and gentle, I promise you that.", was all Sam replied.
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Quinn threw the door open, slamming it into the wall and knocking dust loose that began to float about and catch the rays of the moon. "Yvonne? Yvonne!? Oh god, Yvonne!!" Panic overcame him as he ducked into the living room, and found her body, still beautiful, curled up as if only in sleep, her eyes closed and her hair draped over her face in a cascade.
Picking her up and holding her close, Quinn began to sob and cry out Yvonne's name, rocking back and forth. He begged for her to say his name, to whisper to him. He could be heard crying and sobbing, holding her tight to himself, his emotions tearing at him, tears streaming down his face.
All night he held on to her, refusing to let go, his eyes never dry, his heart pierced and the pain his chest unbearable, his throat unable to utter anything but lamentation. And in a final cry to the gods, a man at his knees begging for the only thing in his life that he loved to be brought back to him, yelling for a deal, for anything, to pay any price, to have her back, to her her sweet voice, to feel her hands upon him, to feel her warmth and love once more...it was all for naught, and he cursed the gods, and he cried in vain, he cried in vain hope.
And when Nyxius came to sit by Quinn's side, instead of taunting him, he too sat down, and bowed his head, his hat upon his chest. Finally getting up solemnly, he placed his cane at the side of the living room couch. "I can help you...and I mean to be honest when I say that. If you want Yvonne back, speak to me upon the morrow." And with that, Nyxius vanished.
Renata, aka Yvonne Lucia Clark aka Psychic Zero, has been killed, along with Thermal Mercury, aka Elijah Quigley.
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Atheotos
Beskar
Sprig
Double A
Yaseikhaan
Centurion1
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Scienter
SplitPersonality
Seon
CCRunner
Greyblades
rhawn
A1_Unit
TheFlax
Andres
White Eyes:D
Wishazu
Diamondeye
Sevis
Jooray
Jolt
Nictel
Quite Dead(17)
ACIN
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Death is yonder
Sigurd
pevergreen
CDF
Askthepizzaguy
Winston Hughes
Beefy187
Roadkill
slashandburn
Yaropolk
Sasaki Kojiro
AVSM
Renata
Thermal Mercurcy
Begin Day 7...and good luck to all...
Psychic Zero is not happy.
Okay Dr.Lovell. Psychic 0 is dead. Could you, you know, leave now? k thanks :)
Still getting results PMs out - be a bit longer before everyone it up to speed.
Wait a minute....
Query for YLC:
Quinn was the name of the psychic boy in Whispers in the Night, if I recall correctly, and this is supposedly a sequel to that game.
Is the Quinn in the write-up that same one?
Wait a minute....
Query for YLC:
Quinn was the name of the psychic boy in Whispers in the Night, if I recall correctly, and this is supposedly a sequel to that game.
Is the Quinn in the write-up that same one?
:wink: Are you allowed to talk Chaotix?
Psychic Zero is not happy.
Finally...
A-ha! And so the plot thickens.
:wink: Are you allowed to talk Chaotix?
No, sorry. I'll be quiet now. :clown:
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2010, 17:59
I'm glad this game is back on track, but no phase can last for greater than 48 hours in the future - no exceptions.
Cultured Drizzt fan
01-18-2010, 18:12
Somebody should have listened to what I told them earlier :tongue: :laugh4:
(ok, I will go back to being dead now. Won't keep interjecting)
scottishranger
01-18-2010, 19:20
Somebody should have listened to what I told them earlier :tongue: :laugh4:
(ok, I will go back to being dead now. Won't keep interjecting)
Alright everyone. I have been permitted to talk on this day.
Any Questions... hurry now
A-ack...
Things go on, as far as I can see, so the town still has some hope. We have the cultists, the undead, and Lovell... Khm.
Ghosts, I beg you, give me guidance! Whom of the three must we focus on killing?
Dear Ghost Council,
I have done what I needed to do: taking out Psychic 0.
I know this probably means a blow to you, but so be it. I did what I had to do. Since I no longer have any objectives, I'd like to offer an alliance to fight the cultists together.
a- Does the Ghost Council accept my offer?
b- Does the Ghost Council have the means to contact me in private?
I am offering an alliance; I do not offer to blindly follow orders without explanation.
I'm glad this game is back on track
It could have started with more positive results :cry:
But to be fair I don't mind, plenty of players deserve the spot more than my dead corpse. :whip:
"Oh ghosts, oh ghost council"? Pizzaguy told you so many times ...
I have a secret for you all, in any case.
The gods help those who help themselves.
Renata, you can still speak? Would you mind answering my question about whom we must kill, if you are allowed to?
EDIT: Gah, indeed, I finally understand the point of your post. Sorry, my sense of speech forbids me to phrase things directly, unless forced to.
Scottishranger, who should we lynch today and why? And which of the three groups (cultists, undead, mafia) are most dangerous to the town?
Some things I can answer. Not much.
Mostly I think I'm just here to haunt Andres.
So, you can't answer that, I'm guessing... Well, none the less, Renata, Scottishranger, please reply to any you can.
Was it a mistake to lynch Sasaki?
Was Elijah Beskar? If not, who was he?
Who is the next suspect for Gasmask? And is Gasmask male or female? O_o
What of Joooray, Khazaar? Are they still suspected? Should we lynch them?
Can't think of any more, so I'll have to ask someone who's alive - Diamondeye, shall we go on with our plan to lynch Beskar, assuming he is still alive? I realise Lovell promised to kill him (a joke? I'd hardly believe he'd do it, after he got him Psychic 0), and he did have a higher priority target tonight, but does that really excuse anything?
In case I can't come online in the morning - Vote: Beskar.
scottishranger
01-18-2010, 21:51
I shall answer the best of my abilities, and chronologically
Ghosts, I beg you, give me guidance! Whom of the three must we focus on killing?
Andres has destroyed the hope of humanity. The town must proceed without hope, and simply for survival. The cultists are killers. Gasmask is a killer. Nyxius will destroy everyone.
Does the Ghost Council accept my offer?
Does the Ghost Council have the means to contact me in private?
We shall discuss this today and I will have an answer for you later. As to contact, we are also unsure of our means to contact you directly.
Was it a mistake to lynch Sasaki?
No, Sasaki has not appeared on the ghost council. Read the write-ups and the rules again. He was Mafia, just not actually Gasmask.
Was Elijah Beskar? If not, who was he?
Read the write-up again. (Thermal Mercury) TM is a ghost.
Who is the next suspect for Gasmask? And is Gasmask male or female? O_o
Your guess is as good as ours on both counts.
What of Joooray, Khazaar? Are they still suspected? Should we lynch them?
Jooray is a possible suspect, along with Khazaar. As to lynch, both are good prospects.
Diamondeye
01-18-2010, 22:04
I'd say that in lack of a better lynch, let's go with vote: Beskar. You're probably one of Andres', and we don't want him around any longer. Andres, you got your Psychic (Sorry to see you go, Renata, you were doing fine), now get lost, please?
Gah, misread the Elijah bit, sorry.
Khm. Let me ask this, then - What, except survival, did humanity hope for before the death of Renata? Were we not just here to get rid of the rest, which is essential for survival? Or do you mean that some of us can keep living while one of the other three forces wins?
Samael is neuter.Angels don't have gender.
Gah, misread the Elijah bit, sorry.
Khm. Let me ask this, then - What, except survival, did humanity hope for before the death of Renata? Were we not just here to get rid of the rest, which is essential for survival? Or do you mean that some of us can keep living while one of the other three forces wins?
I can answer this plainly, in part.
Once I was dead, and held captive. I gained my freedom and a return to life, only to learn I could see more than others. It was my wish for all of humanity to know these truths, and it was the wish of Dr. Lovell to prevent that at any cost. (I think this is the main story behind the game, or one of them.) Maybe we've just lost a major victory, in purely mafia terms? I don't know.
Vote: Joooray argh it seems I am hopeless.
Actually, Khazaar is the one with a Thousand Faces, the Michael Jackson guy in the white suit. He is the one who needs to die. He is the one Sigurd said for us to kill, and so did ATPG.
Vote: Khazaar
This information comes from Ada and my contacts which can contact the Ghost Council.
Bah, you tried to frame me a couple of times. First Gasmask now Nyx, it´s easy to frame someone with dead mens claims. Oddly enough I think there´s a good chance that you are actually the white guy.
Vote: Beskar
White_eyes:D
01-18-2010, 23:59
"Ghost of Zero" Controls the "Ghost Council"....no help from coming from them:juggle2:
Vote:Khazzered before his Cultists "overwhelm" everyone...:help:
I need your help town....We all don't want "Azaroth awakened". "Ghost of Zero" is just a little upset I was unable to do anything for her. I am "Ada" BTW....:bow:
Khazaar. Bye Nylie! If you are Nylie at all that is :S
CCRunner
01-19-2010, 00:05
Vote: Khazzar seems to be the best option...
Bah, you tried to frame me a couple of times. First Gasmask now Nyx, it´s easy to frame someone with dead mens claims. Oddly enough I think there´s a good chance that you are actually the white guy.
Vote: Beskar
LOL, you basically just admitted to being scum with that post. You was acting very susipicious in the last round and now we get confirmation you are infact scum then you attempt to call me a liar.
Splitpersonality
01-19-2010, 00:13
Vote: Khazaar
I need to read the writeups carefully, despite Lovell's own personal victory, which I commend by and by, I believe the town may be in serious trouble...
Askthepizzaguy
01-19-2010, 00:18
Oddly enough I think there´s a good chance that you are actually the white guy.
It doesn't get much whiter than Beskar. :laugh4:
Splitpersonality
01-19-2010, 00:20
Beskar I have a question that might be a little out of left field, but I'm just taking some notes...
Were you doing anything last night? (In game of course)
How about you khazaar?
@Scottish Ranger:
Was Beskar doing anything last night, to your knowledge?
How about Khazaar?
White_eyes:D
01-19-2010, 00:43
*Starts cleaning her glasses*
I guess this is the Final Countdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MPTbSJH0lE&feature=related)
I hope you have gathered all your Power "Azaroth".
I know I have and it should be a good show.:bounce:
*Finishes and puts her glasses back on*
And I am sorry I let Town down with regards to "Zero" but here is a "tribute" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtqRi2y7pXk&feature=related) to you.:bow:
Captain Blackadder
01-19-2010, 00:45
vote khazzar
Seem to to be the best choice out of the avalible options.
scottishranger
01-19-2010, 00:55
Beskar I have a question that might be a little out of left field, but I'm just taking some notes...
Were you doing anything last night? (In game of course)
How about you khazaar?
@Scottish Ranger:
Was Beskar doing anything last night, to your knowledge?
How about Khazaar?
We do not know what Beskar or Khazaar were doing
ask better questions
Beskar I have a question that might be a little out of left field, but I'm just taking some notes...
Were you doing anything last night? (In game of course)
How about you khazaar?
both no ingame and last night.
DELETE_THIS
01-19-2010, 01:18
"I'll follow the angry mob, Khazaar."
Also, this is the real clincher. I was the girl with the green hair and Renata was Zero.
Double A
01-19-2010, 02:12
Real funny Beskar.
vote: Khazzered
If Ada says he's bad... then he's bad. Getting attacked by Gasmask is good enough evidence, on top of all the other stuff.
Ada needs another shot of whiskey I think. Would anyone like to get her some?
Double A
01-19-2010, 02:35
She'd just get drunk again.
So, renata was the guy in the picture who was a girl who was a psychic trying to bring humanity into a new era and Ada the female drunk psychic was her concubine?
Ada would never reduce herself to such a position. Though Beskar might.
Double A
01-19-2010, 02:45
Seon, I belive you have come down with a case of severe gulibility.
Take 3 Tylenol a day for 2 weeks, eat plenty of raw penuts, and stay away from stray cats.
deleted ... don't want to overstep my bounds
White_eyes:D
01-19-2010, 06:37
Seon, I belive you have come down with a case of severe gulibility.
Take 3 Tylenol a day for 2 weeks, eat plenty of raw penuts, and stay away from stray cats.
Don't forget to check your mental state......It might be Insane and Cult-like:book:
Scottishranger, is White_Eyes:D truly Ada?
I would like to remind everbody that killing Psychic 0 was my only objective (cf. the OP of this game).
Since I reached my goal, I am now a neutral character. I know there are cultists among you, both dead and living.
I also know that most non alligned townies are dead. The townies who have not been recruited by the cultists are indeed a minority.
Whichever cult makes me the best offer, will get my help.
If the cults wish to work together to get rid of the threat of Azathoth, then I can help.
If the cults want me for something else, I can help.
Small favours, like protecting or killing. I can even save you from being lynched.
My pm box is open. Make me a decent offer (guaranteed survival of this game would be nice) and I'll help.
I'm not at all impressed with the offers made by Ada so far. Either get your act together or you'll find me on the opposing side :smug:
I also have knowledge which could be vital for town victory (or not, I don't know how many surprises YLC has for us).
If I combine forces with that side of the spectrum, then you'll probably be doomed.
It's Andres making an offer here. I've never backstabbed an ally in mafia games before.
If no one wants to make a decent deal, then I'll continue to be the villain and I'll watch with sadness how you all try to get me while the real threat stands by and laughs.
White_eyes:D
01-19-2010, 11:57
I would like to believe you "Andres"....but even your own "existence" should matter:juggle2:
The offer is bad for a number of reasons....
1.Khazzer could be the "Blind idiot god".
2.Your insistence that Beskar is the "Blind idiot god", when I "checked" for myself.
3.You are going to die, if I somehow lose to him...:book:
4.I get the feeling your lying to me big-time on this.:inquisitive:
You know I always been your faithful servant, Doctor Lovell. From the night you entered my room and made sweet passionate love to me, injecting me with your love.
Splitpersonality
01-19-2010, 13:41
You know I always been your faithful servant, Doctor Lovell. From the night you entered my room and made sweet passionate love to me, injecting me with your love.
Uh, what? :laugh4:
Scottishranger, is White_Eyes:D truly Ada?
I can answer that with a yes. :yes:
Renata can you PM people? Just curous as to the extent of your haunting abilities.
Ok, fine.
I know the Ghost Council doesn't trust Ada.
I know I want to survive this game.
You have to take my word for one thing: my only objective was to kill Psychic 0. I was not instructed to eliminate other Psychis (so I assume only Psychic 0 was evil) and my role pm doesn't say anything about Gods or cults. With the dead of Psychic 0, I'm as neutral as can be.
If you can guarantee my survival, I will work with you.
Here's the deal:
a) The only way to eliminate White_Eyes:D is by lynching him. You want to keep him alive, because he's useful, but you don't trust him (I don't trust him either). I say: town votes Stay of Execution : White_Eyes:D. One word from the Ghost Council and/or the majority of the townies and he'll die on the spot. No word and he stays alive.
b) I will only kill as ordered by your representative. It's probably better to use someone who's alive, to assure discretion.
c) You already control me, because you discovered my second henchman. You think he's Nyxius, but you're wrong. When he dies, I die too. Simple. You know I want to survive, so you have nothing to fear from me. I backstab you, I die.
d) we work together to eliminate the threat of Azathoth.
e) I get more information about Azathoth, the cults, the Gods, because at the moment, I have some pieces of the puzzle, but not enough.
Can the Ghost Council and the town accept this?
So that means with your henchmen dead, you are now vulnerable to night kills and the town?
Master, why didn't you say so earlier!
So that means with your henchmen dead, you are not vulnerable to night kills and the town?
Master, why didn't you say so earlier!
Just make sure everyone switches to Stay of Execution : White_Eyes:D and all will be fine, my dear loyal servant :bow:
I have very little time for this game at the moment and am very confused. Why I am a suspect of any kind I don't know, if I should be lynched it won't be much harm neither much good for the town as I am a plain townie.
Anyway, it seems Khazaar has been accused as well, thus I'll Vote: Khazaar.
Renata can you PM people? Just curous as to the extent of your haunting abilities.
The Dark God works in mysterious ways.
(Will translate this one because the answer is simply I don't know -- awaiting clarification from YLC on several things. You can ask again in a day or two, and maybe you'll get an answer and maybe you won't.)
That said,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlg9YOrpLe8&feature=fvsr
I know the Ghost Council doesn't trust Ada.
*blows Andres a raspberry* You didn't put that in the form of a question. Minus 200 points.
*blows Andres a raspberry* You didn't put that in the form of a question. Minus 200 points.
Why would I ask a question, if I already know the answer, dead one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlg9YOrpLe8&feature=fvsr[/i]
Why are you (Psycho Zero), White_Eyes:D (Ada) and AVSM all dancing for Andres?
Trust is curious
answers more curious still
I Doubt you know them
(Edit: @ Andres)
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