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artaxerxes

02-27-2010, 22:06

sometimes when I've fought a battle, a little marker with crossed swords turns up on the campaign map to commemorate the occasion. But I just can't find out why. I fought the Ptolemies (as AS) for nearly 100 years in the region around Hierosolyma, and never got a single one of them. Then I fight the Qarthadastim for 2 years around Kyrene, autoresolve all my battles, and get three of these markers:inquisitive::laugh4:
so when do they turn up?

vartan

02-27-2010, 22:10

anubis88

02-27-2010, 22:13

The marker only comes up for Heroic Victories.

yes, but not always

Aemilius Paulus

02-27-2010, 22:24

yes, but not always
Yep, the victory has to include large number of soldiers clashing, which excludes the hundreds of Heroic Victory battles I win with only my general's bodyguard. Something like a thousand troops or more on Large unit scale.

I do that on purpose - whenever I see a quarter of a stack, usually the rebels, I attack it with just a single general. Sometimes I bring along the cheapest levy unit I can find. This makes sure the odds are exceedingly against me. This way the generals gain a load of good traits.

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

WinsingtonIII

02-27-2010, 23:27

Then I fight the Qarthadastim for 2 years around Kyrene, autoresolve all my battles, and get three of these markers

Wait, you got 3 heroic victories with autoresolve?

I guess I wouldn't know, because I never autoresolve battles unless the odds are absurdly in my favor, but I though that it was pretty much impossible to get a victory when you autoresolve with the odds against you (and the odds have to be against you for it to be a heroic victory).

anubis88

02-27-2010, 23:33

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

Lol. In my Pahlava campaing i had when i stopped in 70 BC still a battle marker near Hecatompylos with the year around 220 BC :D... Now that must've been hell of a victory if the marker dissaperence depends on what you said :)

vartan

02-28-2010, 00:19

Wait, you got 3 heroic victories with autoresolve?

I guess I wouldn't know, because I never autoresolve battles unless the odds are absurdly in my favor, but I though that it was pretty much impossible to get a victory when you autoresolve with the odds against you (and the odds have to be against you for it to be a heroic victory).
auto_win attacker/defender

WinsingtonIII

02-28-2010, 00:57

auto_win attacker/defender

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

shootie

02-28-2010, 00:59

Nope, except only in Naval battles.

vartan

02-28-2010, 01:50

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?
That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

Epimetheus

02-28-2010, 02:17

Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

Yeah, but your general needs to have lots of stars in order to do it though. Often times a ten star general will be able to win heroic victories in autoresolve that even I'm not sure I would be able to do.

vartan

02-28-2010, 03:56

Yeah, but your general needs to have lots of stars in order to do it though. Often times a ten star general will be able to win heroic victories in autoresolve that I even I'm not sure I would be able to do.
It's all a mathematical formula that none of us know the terms of. Bet your life on it. Epi has made an observation I'm sure most of us have. I know I have. I've thought the same, "How did that just happen?"

WinsingtonIII

02-28-2010, 08:10

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

But you can't get a heroic victory unless the odds are against you.... (right?) so my question still stands.

artaxerxes

02-28-2010, 11:31

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

I sometimes use auto_win if it's a battle I know I can win (my computer loads for ages and sometimes crashes when I actually play the battles, so if I don't have hours to waste, auto_win seems more fun) - and that may have been the case in one or two of the instances - even if the Qarthadastim armies were bigger (which your explanations point out that they must have been) I don't feel like I'm cheating when my spies can reveal just how poorly trained the army is. And yeah, sometimes it might be cheating, but the AI cheats too - it CTDs whenever it's going well, so we're equally bad :D
But I'm pretty sure at least one of the battles were autoresolve without auto_win (I often take chances to give the computer a chance - otherwise I could use the 'oh no my computer might crash' and auto_win every battle, and what would be the point?), I don't know. I've read somewhere that elephants and chariots may count for much more in auto_resolve than in real battles. Don't know if it's true. But I had them and the Qarthadastim didn't. And theirs was a completely useless mob and mine a professional army with a general who did have a bloody lot of command stars (he must have some good traits for he got a star for almost anything he did in the beginning of the war)
their FM, btw had no stars at all.

EDIT: as memory becomes a bit clearer, I did fight more battles than I thought at first near Cyrene, auto_resolving some, auto_winning some and even fighting some in person that CTD'ed. I also - obviously - use auto_win to win battles I've already won, but which have CTD'ed. when the dust cleared, there were this bunch of markers. so thinking back, I can't promise they weren't all auto_win. I can just sort-of promise that to my knowledge, it wasn't completely unfair use of the auto_win :D

Fluvius Camillus

02-28-2010, 13:28

Yep, the victory has to include large number of soldiers clashing, which excludes the hundreds of Heroic Victory battles I win with only my general's bodyguard. Something like a thousand troops or more on Large unit scale.

I do that on purpose - whenever I see a quarter of a stack, usually the rebels, I attack it with just a single general. Sometimes I bring along the cheapest levy unit I can find. This makes sure the odds are exceedingly against me. This way the generals gain a load of good traits.

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

I had a marker for defeating 5 units of brigands outside the town with a general and the 2 garrisson troops. Size does not matter.

You only get them at the Heroic of the Heroic victories, if I have the feeling after a battle that it was a REAL difficult one, then usually I get a marker. Although sometimes you get them at undeserved moments.

They also disappear after a period of time, depending on how important and heroic it really was.

~Fluvius

WinsingtonIII

02-28-2010, 17:03

@artaxerxes

Don't worry, I wasn't saying that it wasn't justified cheating, I think everyone has used auto_win to fight battles they know that they can win. So don't worry, I'm not trying to call you out or anything. In fact, I don't really see any point in caring how other people play their games as long as it's fun for them.

The reason why I made the distinction is simply because I was wondering if anyone had every won an autoresolve battle with the odds against them when they weren't using the autowin cheat, as in, is it possible in the first place?

artaxerxes

02-28-2010, 17:57

WinsingtonIII

02-28-2010, 18:58

Hehe, no problem. I started writing my reply being quite sure I hadn't used auto_win every time, but now I'm not sure anymore ;) so don't take my arguments as proof. Epimetheus, however, sounded like he was sure it could be done.

I definitely didn't see his post until just now :oops:

So I guess my question is answered haha

vartan

02-28-2010, 19:04

It's all Maths. End of story.

jirisys

03-01-2010, 02:03

I just got my first one today! it was near messana, i was outnumbered (with pestalts mostly, carthaginians YOU FOOLS!) and almost everybody made it, y lost maybe 1/3 of my men, and they lost everything, including the city, so, it was pretty heroic!!! :ave: (the funny thing is, that my RPG ultra general and faction leader, has not one, but some guy that i just adopted 3 seasons ago beats the hell out of the carthaginians!!:angry:)

Subotan

03-02-2010, 15:19

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).
Really? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks.

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.
Yes it is. You went on the offensive, deep into the enemy territory of an advanced civlisation, with supply lines extremely streched. Of course you should be facing ratios like that if you're attacking with just one army.

vartan

03-02-2010, 18:21

Really? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks.

Yes it is. You went on the offensive, deep into the enemy territory of an advanced civlisation, with supply lines extremely streched. Of course you should be facing ratios like that if you're attacking with just one army.
I think 2,000 veteran troops should be able to take on one spear contingent =)

Subotan

03-03-2010, 14:22

Oh, so you mean you had twenty times more troops then they did? That makes more sense.

Brave Brave Sir Robin

03-03-2010, 20:11

I must say before my Seleukid campaign I NEVER used auto_win. But after having to fight 3-4 siege battles a turn against 5-6 unit stacks of Baktrians, Pontics, and Pahlav, I learned to love that cheat. I probably would not have finished the campaign without it. Simply too tedious to fight all of these siege battles I know I would win.

ARCHIPPOS

03-03-2010, 20:49

Is there any way to mess around with the files so that those "famous battle" markers appear more oftenly ??? I would like to scroll through the strategic map and be reminded oftener of all my old long-gone FM and their military legacy ... very inspiring !!! :)

Ludens

03-04-2010, 20:17

No, sorry. Not moddable.

Alexokrat

03-04-2010, 21:01

sth. that would be cool as well is if you could save these battles and use them as "historical" battles, but probably thats not possible too.

Ludens

03-05-2010, 18:07

Yes, that not possible either. Historical battles need to be created by hand.

Subotan

03-05-2010, 18:12

If they need to be created by hand, is it possible to start the campaign with the locations of famous battles that had occurred pre-272 BC?

Ludens

03-05-2010, 18:27

If they need to be created by hand, is it possible to start the campaign with the locations of famous battles that had occurred pre-272 BC?

I was refering to the pre-made historical battles, not to the heroic-victory markers. I don't think you can even add those markers to the starting map.

Silence Hunter

03-05-2010, 18:43

They also disappear after a period of time, depending on how important and heroic it really was.

Are you sure that the reason why they disappear is the "importance" factor? I have read somewhere on these forums that they start disappearing once there is 50 markers on the map. So the 51st heroic marker dletes the 1st one and so on. If that's true it's possible to see markers disappearing often (a lot of Heroic battles fought) or stay there for the whole of campaign (quite small number of Heroic battles).

Subotan

03-06-2010, 01:07

I was refering to the pre-made historical battles, not to the heroic-victory markers. I don't think you can even add those markers to the starting map.
Oh right, I misunderstood. And that's a shame.

Fluvius Camillus

03-06-2010, 19:23

Are you sure that the reason why they disappear is the "importance" factor? I have read somewhere on these forums that they start disappearing once there is 50 markers on the map. So the 51st heroic marker dletes the 1st one and so on. If that's true it's possible to see markers disappearing often (a lot of Heroic battles fought) or stay there for the whole of campaign (quite small number of Heroic battles).

The marker which I found undeserved (killing some random Eleutheroi with a BG and garrisson) disappeared earlier than the massive heroic victory against the AS.

~Fluvius

Silence Hunter

03-06-2010, 20:00

The marker which I found undeserved (killing some random Eleutheroi with a BG and garrisson) disappeared earlier than the massive heroic victory against the AS.

~Fluvius

That clears things up.

Alexokrat

03-09-2010, 01:09

I just recognized another reason for disappearing symbols for famous battles. I've build a fort on the place where the symbol was and after my army moved on it didn't came back. Its a marker which is just a few years old (I guess even just 3) and I think its impossible that the AI had so much famous battles in that time.

Aemilius Paulus

03-09-2010, 21:57

Note - I was just reading all those nuggets of gold the CA Orgahs were spilling during the first years of RTW release on these forums. One of them said the marker is in a large part determined by the proportion of you participating army in the Heroic Victory battle and the total amount of soldiers you own.

Ludens

03-10-2010, 12:03

Note - I was just reading all those nuggets of gold the CA Orgahs were spilling during the first years of RTW release on these forums. One of them said the marker is in a large aprt determined by the proportion of you participating army in the Heroic Victory battle and the total amount of soldiers you own.

Sounds plausible. Do you have a link?

Duguntz

03-10-2010, 16:14

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

Well in fact, yes, it's still cheating! even great empire lost battles! so if you auto win just because you're absolutly sure to loose otherwhise, it's cheating! anyway... auto win, auto loose, nomatter the reason, it's still cheating! If you have to loose a battle, at least loose it with honor!

I think 2,000 veteran troops should be able to take on one spear contingent =)

not if it's a unit of Duguntiz... :|

oh... sorry for the double post, wasn't intended

Fluvius Camillus

01-07-2011, 18:15

I am necromancing this thread to prove an important aspect of famous battles.

The following battle was faction leader vs faction leader. This battle was very intense and saved my entire eastern border from Parthian invasion. It was right away the turning point in the campaign. As you can see this marker stood very long. While easier heroic victories disappeared along the way, not in chronological order.

https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt22/Fluvius_Camillus/AS25.jpg?t=1294420538

It may be a coincedence, but after I destroyed the Pahlavans (next turn), the marker finally disappeared. Maybe it also depends on the fact if the faction are still around.

~Fluvius

vollorix

01-07-2011, 18:53

Who knows, i mean, if the engine counts the ammount of experience for each individual soldier there might be some other sophisticated features like the thing with famous battles. If yes, then CA makers seem to really pay attention to small details which i do apriciate a lot. Actually it makes a perfect sence: once a faction is destroyed, there is no real need to remember it anymore, nore the great deeds against an enemy, who is no longer there, i guess.

@FC: you love creating kind of "crazy monster empires", don´t you? :S

QuintusSertorius

01-07-2011, 18:57

I always get them with every Heroic Victory, the AI does too. I thought they were guaranteed, but perhaps if size is a factor, that's because I'm playing on Huge unit scale.

Fluvius Camillus

01-07-2011, 19:03

I always get them with every Heroic Victory, the AI does too. I thought they were guaranteed, but perhaps if size is a factor, that's because I'm playing on Huge unit scale.

I seem to think that also some kind of importance factor (yup it sounds weird), and how astonishing it was to actually win the battle.

@vollorix I certainly do! On to Hibernia!:charge:

~Fluvius