Site of famous battle

[artaxerxes]

sometimes when I've fought a battle, a little marker with crossed swords turns up on the campaign map to commemorate the occasion. But I just can't find out why. I fought the Ptolemies (as AS) for nearly 100 years in the region around Hierosolyma, and never got a single one of them. Then I fight the Qarthadastim for 2 years around Kyrene, autoresolve all my battles, and get three of these markers
so when do they turn up?

[vartan]

sometimes when I've fought a battle, a little marker with crossed swords turns up on the campaign map to commemorate the occasion. But I just can't find out why. I fought the Ptolemies (as AS) for nearly 100 years in the region around Hierosolyma, and never got a single one of them. Then I fight the Qarthadastim for 2 years around Kyrene, autoresolve all my battles, and get three of these markers
so when do they turn up?

The marker only comes up for Heroic Victories.

[anubis88]

The marker only comes up for Heroic Victories.

yes, but not always

[Aemilius Paulus]

yes, but not always

Yep, the victory has to include large number of soldiers clashing, which excludes the hundreds of Heroic Victory battles I win with only my general's bodyguard. Something like a thousand troops or more on Large unit scale.

I do that on purpose - whenever I see a quarter of a stack, usually the rebels, I attack it with just a single general. Sometimes I bring along the cheapest levy unit I can find. This makes sure the odds are exceedingly against me. This way the generals gain a load of good traits.


EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

[WinsingtonIII]

Then I fight the Qarthadastim for 2 years around Kyrene, autoresolve all my battles, and get three of these markers

Wait, you got 3 heroic victories with autoresolve?

I guess I wouldn't know, because I never autoresolve battles unless the odds are absurdly in my favor, but I though that it was pretty much impossible to get a victory when you autoresolve with the odds against you (and the odds have to be against you for it to be a heroic victory).

[anubis88]

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

Lol. In my Pahlava campaing i had when i stopped in 70 BC still a battle marker near Hecatompylos with the year around 220 BC :D... Now that must've been hell of a victory if the marker dissaperence depends on what you said :)

[vartan]

Wait, you got 3 heroic victories with autoresolve?

I guess I wouldn't know, because I never autoresolve battles unless the odds are absurdly in my favor, but I though that it was pretty much impossible to get a victory when you autoresolve with the odds against you (and the odds have to be against you for it to be a heroic victory).

auto_win attacker/defender

[WinsingtonIII]

auto_win attacker/defender

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

[shootie]

Nope, except only in Naval battles.

[vartan]

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

[Epimetheus]

Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

Yeah, but your general needs to have lots of stars in order to do it though. Often times a ten star general will be able to win heroic victories in autoresolve that even I'm not sure I would be able to do.

[vartan]

Yeah, but your general needs to have lots of stars in order to do it though. Often times a ten star general will be able to win heroic victories in autoresolve that I even I'm not sure I would be able to do.

It's all a mathematical formula that none of us know the terms of. Bet your life on it. Epi has made an observation I'm sure most of us have. I know I have. I've thought the same, "How did that just happen?"

[WinsingtonIII]

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

But you can't get a heroic victory unless the odds are against you.... (right?) so my question still stands.

[artaxerxes]

Ah, of course.

Well I meant without cheating. Just out of curiosity has anyone here managed to get an autoresolve heroic victory without the autowin cheat?

I sometimes use auto_win if it's a battle I know I can win (my computer loads for ages and sometimes crashes when I actually play the battles, so if I don't have hours to waste, auto_win seems more fun) - and that may have been the case in one or two of the instances - even if the Qarthadastim armies were bigger (which your explanations point out that they must have been) I don't feel like I'm cheating when my spies can reveal just how poorly trained the army is. And yeah, sometimes it might be cheating, but the AI cheats too - it CTDs whenever it's going well, so we're equally bad :D
But I'm pretty sure at least one of the battles were autoresolve without auto_win (I often take chances to give the computer a chance - otherwise I could use the 'oh no my computer might crash' and auto_win every battle, and what would be the point?), I don't know. I've read somewhere that elephants and chariots may count for much more in auto_resolve than in real battles. Don't know if it's true. But I had them and the Qarthadastim didn't. And theirs was a completely useless mob and mine a professional army with a general who did have a bloody lot of command stars (he must have some good traits for he got a star for almost anything he did in the beginning of the war)
their FM, btw had no stars at all.

EDIT: as memory becomes a bit clearer, I did fight more battles than I thought at first near Cyrene, auto_resolving some, auto_winning some and even fighting some in person that CTD'ed. I also - obviously - use auto_win to win battles I've already won, but which have CTD'ed. when the dust cleared, there were this bunch of markers. so thinking back, I can't promise they weren't all auto_win. I can just sort-of promise that to my knowledge, it wasn't completely unfair use of the auto_win :D

[Fluvius Camillus]

Yep, the victory has to include large number of soldiers clashing, which excludes the hundreds of Heroic Victory battles I win with only my general's bodyguard. Something like a thousand troops or more on Large unit scale.

I do that on purpose - whenever I see a quarter of a stack, usually the rebels, I attack it with just a single general. Sometimes I bring along the cheapest levy unit I can find. This makes sure the odds are exceedingly against me. This way the generals gain a load of good traits.


EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

I had a marker for defeating 5 units of brigands outside the town with a general and the 2 garrisson troops. Size does not matter.

You only get them at the Heroic of the Heroic victories, if I have the feeling after a battle that it was a REAL difficult one, then usually I get a marker. Although sometimes you get them at undeserved moments.

They also disappear after a period of time, depending on how important and heroic it really was.

~Fluvius

[WinsingtonIII]

@artaxerxes

Don't worry, I wasn't saying that it wasn't justified cheating, I think everyone has used auto_win to fight battles they know that they can win. So don't worry, I'm not trying to call you out or anything. In fact, I don't really see any point in caring how other people play their games as long as it's fun for them.

The reason why I made the distinction is simply because I was wondering if anyone had every won an autoresolve battle with the odds against them when they weren't using the autowin cheat, as in, is it possible in the first place?

[artaxerxes]

@artaxerxes

Don't worry, I wasn't saying that it wasn't justified cheating, I think everyone has used auto_win to fight battles they know that they can win. So don't worry, I'm not trying to call you out or anything. In fact, I don't really see any point in caring how other people play their games as long as it's fun for them.

The reason why I made the distinction is simply because I was wondering if anyone had every won an autoresolve battle with the odds against them when they weren't using the autowin cheat, as in, is it possible in the first place?

Hehe, no problem. I started writing my reply being quite sure I hadn't used auto_win every time, but now I'm not sure anymore ;) so don't take my arguments as proof. Epimetheus, however, sounded like he was sure it could be done.

[WinsingtonIII]

Hehe, no problem. I started writing my reply being quite sure I hadn't used auto_win every time, but now I'm not sure anymore ;) so don't take my arguments as proof. Epimetheus, however, sounded like he was sure it could be done.

I definitely didn't see his post until just now

So I guess my question is answered haha

[vartan]

It's all Maths. End of story.

[jirisys]

I just got my first one today! it was near messana, i was outnumbered (with pestalts mostly, carthaginians YOU FOOLS!) and almost everybody made it, y lost maybe 1/3 of my men, and they lost everything, including the city, so, it was pretty heroic!!! (the funny thing is, that my RPG ultra general and faction leader, has not one, but some guy that i just adopted 3 seasons ago beats the hell out of the carthaginians!!)

[Subotan]

EDIT: Oh, and if this was not bad enough, the markers vanish after a set number of years, which depends on just how crushing the victory was (mostly determined by the total amount of troops from both sides which engaged in the battle).

Really? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks.

That's not cheating when odds are 20:1.

Yes it is. You went on the offensive, deep into the enemy territory of an advanced civlisation, with supply lines extremely streched. Of course you should be facing ratios like that if you're attacking with just one army.

[vartan]

Really? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks.

Yes it is. You went on the offensive, deep into the enemy territory of an advanced civlisation, with supply lines extremely streched. Of course you should be facing ratios like that if you're attacking with just one army.

I think 2,000 veteran troops should be able to take on one spear contingent =)

[Subotan]

Oh, so you mean you had twenty times more troops then they did? That makes more sense.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I must say before my Seleukid campaign I NEVER used auto_win. But after having to fight 3-4 siege battles a turn against 5-6 unit stacks of Baktrians, Pontics, and Pahlav, I learned to love that cheat. I probably would not have finished the campaign without it. Simply too tedious to fight all of these siege battles I know I would win.

[ARCHIPPOS]

Is there any way to mess around with the files so that those "famous battle" markers appear more oftenly ??? I would like to scroll through the strategic map and be reminded oftener of all my old long-gone FM and their military legacy ... very inspiring !!! :)

[Ludens]

No, sorry. Not moddable.

[Alexokrat]

sth. that would be cool as well is if you could save these battles and use them as "historical" battles, but probably thats not possible too.

[Ludens]

Yes, that not possible either. Historical battles need to be created by hand.

[Subotan]

If they need to be created by hand, is it possible to start the campaign with the locations of famous battles that had occurred pre-272 BC?

[Ludens]

If they need to be created by hand, is it possible to start the campaign with the locations of famous battles that had occurred pre-272 BC?

I was refering to the pre-made historical battles, not to the heroic-victory markers. I don't think you can even add those markers to the starting map.