EBNOM official discussion thread

[Atraphoenix]

Anubis is not it possible to make previews under spoiler in the first page?

[anubis88]

Anubis is not it possible to make previews under spoiler in the first page?
I'll try to conjure up something soon... I just hope they can all stay in one page... Do you have any info on how much can a single page take? :clown:

[Lionheart]

Anubis you should edit the first page. Something need to be added.

[Tanit]

I recommend adding links to the previews in first post. There is a limited number of images which can be shown in one post, two previews easily exceeds that.

[QuintusSertorius]

Another Hasmonean-related question; what would a typical army composition look like? We've got loads of tasty-looking units to try out, but what might an "authetic" army comprise of?

[Cute Wolf]

Another Hasmonean-related question; what would a typical army composition look like? We've got loads of tasty-looking units to try out, but what might an "authetic" army comprise of?

typical late hellenistic units...

[QuintusSertorius]

typical late hellenistic units...

Which means what exactly? Presumably it's post-pike phalanx (since I can't see any in the Hasmonean roster)? Anywhere I should look to see an example?

[Lionheart]

I believe that a typical hasmonean army. Will have archers, slingers, horsearchers, tarantinoi, a lot of spear units, two or three units with machas, one unit of royal bodyguards on foot and on horse, perhaps some lanchophoroi and in late years you could ad one or two units of Sebastianoi. Plus if you conquer other regions you probably will have access to units that are regional and could ad then to your army i believe that will be the standard hasmonean army. However you will decide what your army will be.

[vartan]

Anyone have a source for the Hashm. army compositions?

[anubis88]

Anyone have a source for the Hashm. army compositions?

keravnos is the main guy in that department... But once we release the mod, i plan to add in the description of the factions what would their tipical armies look like, so that you will know how you should play a faction if you wanted maximum historical accuracy :)

[QuintusSertorius]

I've just been reading Alfred Duggan's He Died Old, a biography of Mithridates VI. Seems like a perfect accompaniment to NOM.

[QuintusSertorius]

On a totally different point, what's the ETA of NOM? I mean as an order of magnitude. Days, weeks, months or years away from completion?

[jirisys]

On a totally different point, what's the ETA of NOM? I mean as an order of magnitude. Days, weeks, months or years away from completion?

3425 neardenthaal years from the homo Erectus calendar

:clown:

~Jirisys (:clown:)

[anubis88]

On a totally different point, what's the ETA of NOM? I mean as an order of magnitude. Days, weeks, months or years away from completion?


Well, it depends... At the rate we are going right now, i think it will take less then a year for an early release... Of course much can happen in a year, but if we continue working like we do now, it should be finished in 2011.

[QuintusSertorius]

I found this army list for the wargame De Bellis Multitudinis, 163 BC - 135 BC Maccabean Jewish (http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/MaccabeanDBMlist.html). No idea how accurate it is.

[vartan]

I've just been reading Alfred Duggan's He Died Old, a biography of Mithridates VI. Seems like a perfect accompaniment to NOM.
Sorry to extend this as this thread is for a modification of EB, but since I consider this relevant to the history involved in EB:NOM, how does Duggan's work compare The Poison King? I know Duggan's is from the 70s, but I haven't had access to it (yet). Thanks.

EDIT: Sorry, I believe I meant to say that the latest publication of He Died Old is from the 70s, not that it was written in the 70s.

[QuintusSertorius]

Sorry to extend this as this thread is for a modification of EB, but since I consider this relevant to the history involved in EB:NOM, how does Duggan's work compare The Poison King? I know Duggan's is from the 70s, but I haven't had access to it (yet). Thanks.

I haven't read The Poison King, I'm afraid, so I can't compare. I can tell you that He Died Old was written in 1958, and is well-written and researched, but suffers from being a product of its time. By which I mean there are attempts to ascribe notions of contemporary politics (political parties, left and right) to the Roman Senate, and some derogatory assumptions about "Asiatics" and "orientals" which are commented upon frequently. Strangely enough, his fictional work doesn't have any of those things in them.

[gamegeek2]

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2011-01-1216-50-08-45.jpg

Who are they? Who do they belong to?

[jirisys]

Nabatu Noble Cavalry

I should know, I made the Faction symbol :grin:

~Jirisys (Ruining surprises since 1984)

[vartan]

They are a collection of pixels. They do not, technically speaking, belong to anybody, but they are manifested on, as one instance to say the least, my computer monitor. Quite an interesting bunch of pixels, I'd say. A very, very dangerous bunch. Does their leader carry anything beside the sword?

[gamegeek2]

Nabatu Noble Cavalry

I should know, I made the Faction symbol :grin:

~Jirisys (Ruining surprises since 1984)

Actually, you got it wrong.

Epic Fail.

[jirisys]

Actually, you got it wrong.

Epic Fail.

They are still Nabatu...

So...

Your failure argument stands on very shaky bases if none whatsoever...

EDIT: :daisy:... Flinn likes to use blue and orange too much... :inquisitive:

~Jirisys (Nabatu Heavy Cavalry?)

[gamegeek2]

Khavarîn - now, figure out what that means :p

No, that's actually their name. It's quite fitting, actually.

[QuintusSertorius]

They look a little like the Epirote bodyguard, which is awesome.

[jirisys]

Actually Seleukid and Ptolemaic Somatophylakai.
Epeirotes have shields...

~Jirisys (Nabatean Somatophylakes...:grin:)

[gamegeek2]

As a run-up to the Nabatean preview, here's a video, courtesy of Finn MacCummhail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRiEjdgyiY&feature=player_embedded

Guess what units are in it?

[QuintusSertorius]

As a run-up to the Nabatean preview, here's a video, courtesy of Finn MacCummhail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRiEjdgyiY&feature=player_embedded

Guess what units are in it?

Two things, firstly the music in that clip was awesome.

And who are the axemen with the hoplite-like panoply? They looked really cool.

[anubis88]

Well we can't tell you anything now can we? :clown: But Nabatu is indeed a pretty faction :D... Too bad there position on the map won't be so pretty :S

[Moros]

Ooh are those cathapracts from Hatra or Palmyra or...?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I believe there to be Arabian Swordsmen and Cavalry in the video?

[Lazy O]

Kushan cataphract?

ANd that music is SO effin AWSOME!!!!

[gamegeek2]

The music is called "The Feeling Begins" by Peter Gabriel. We felt it was appropriate.

Kushan Cataphracts wouldn't be in a battle in Arabia, would they?

And how will their starting position not be pretty, anubis?

[QuintusSertorius]

Great, now I can't decide whether the Hasmoneans or Nabataens are the faction I'm looking forward to most.

These dudes are awesome:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/Kiero/hasmoneanaxemen.jpg

(Contrary to the mis-named file, I recognise they're a Nabataen unit)

[anubis88]

And how will their starting position not be pretty, anubis?

Well, you go ahead and try to fight the Hasmoneans, the Ptolies, the Parthians and the Armenians at the same time! And of course, the Romans are coming soon...

[Cute Wolf]

Well, you go ahead and try to fight the Hasmoneans, the Ptolies, the Parthians and the Armenians at the same time! And of course, the Romans are coming soon...

*cough* as if it was Epeiros in EB.... *cough*
Romani, KH, Makedonia, Getai, Kart-Hadast, and if you lucky, Sauromatae will coming soon

[gamegeek2]

No, anubis. They're not at war with Parthians or Armenians, or the Ptollies! They're not even bordering the Parthians.

[anubis88]

No, anubis. They're not at war with Parthians or Armenians, or the Ptollies! They're not even bordering the Parthians.

I know they are not at war with them... But we are talking about rtw AI right? Which means you'll get to play 5 years before everyone decides it's time to take you out, since you might be a potential superpower :laugh4:

But of course you may always console yourself that you have some of the best (looking) units in the game...

[Cute Wolf]

I know they are not at war with them... But we are talking about rtw AI right? Which means you'll get to play 5 years before everyone decides it's time to take you out, since you might be a potential superpower :laugh4:

But of course you may always console yourself that you have some of the best (looking) units in the game...

secoded :grin:

[gamegeek2]

Wait till the Ptollies and Armenians march on poor little Israel, too...as the Nabatu you can at least head south into Arabia, seize some goodies there.

But yes, the Nabatu have some of the most beautiful units in the game....you just have to love those guard cavalry and infantry. (Yes, that's the sick unit that looks like a hoplite with an axe).

[Moros]

Kushan Cataphracts wouldn't be in a battle in Arabia, would they?

So where do they come from? Palmyra, Hatra,...?

[anubis88]

Weren't those cata's preview by keravnos in the Hasmonean preview?

Edit: Nope, they weren't... This is soooo cool :clown:

[gamegeek2]

Well, anubis, it IS the same unit. Just a different skin.

They'll be recruitable in the same regions as for the Hasmoneans - Syria, Mesopotamia, and Hatra/Palmyra.

[jirisys]

Weren't those cata's preview by keravnos in the Hasmonean preview?

Edit: Nope, they weren't... This is soooo cool :clown:

I thought you were our mod leader? :inquisitive:

~Jirisys (YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS:speechless:)

[Cute Wolf]

I thought you were our mod leader? :inquisitive:

~Jirisys (YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS:speechless:)

seconded (EWWWWW..... )

[Finn MacCumhail]

Sertoriani vs Numidia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJTL8uLuPE

[Lionheart]

Now you guys guess what faction the romans will fear most?

Again awesome i'm not tiring of see the video. Now the romans will have another cry: "Numidian rex ad portas!"

[gamegeek2]

Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans.

Today, we of the Novus Ordo Mundi team are proud to present the sixth preview of our late period mod.

Malkûtâ Nabâtu
The Kingdom of the Nabataeans

Faction Description

Shlamâ Aleikûm, Malk Nabâtû


We have come a long way since our humble origins amidst the red rocks of 'Edom, since we harassed and fled our enemies while relying on the cisterns we cleverly buried in the sand. No, now we have built ourselves a state deserving of the name. Truly now, we may call ourselves rabayyâ madbrâ, the Lords of the Desert.

We have long grown from the trade that has flowed through our hands, taxing the merchants that stop in the great trade-cities of Rekem and Bostra, with our own merchants bringing back goods from the lands of Kûsh, Himyar, Hazarmût, and Barat. With this wealth, we have built great cities, and have raised an army to compete with the Hashmona'în, the Armenians, or, Dushara help us, the Romans.

The most most immediate threat lies to the west, in Isra'êl; there, King Alexandros Yannai seeks to rebuild the kingdom of Dawid, albeit in a more Hellenistic fashion. He has already seized the port of Gaza, and has amassed an invasion force in the Negev. We must halt him here, or he will block our routes and starve us of gold - we must hold Obodat, at all costs!

While that may be the most prominent threat, there are others, particularly the one looming to the north. His name is Tigran, and he has made himself Lord of Syria and Armenia, and while his priorities may lie in Cilicia and with his Pontic allies, he has his eye on Dammasq and the rich lands of Syria Koile.

Most of the merchants would be happy with us simply retaking Gaza and restoring the route to the sea. However, a more ambitious king may seek to use our wealth to expand and further our domain. Should that be you, Lord Aretas, the best targets beyond the kingdom of the Maqabîn would be Palmyra (to the north) and Yathrib (to the south). Both of these are rich trade-cities, and controlling them would further expand our dominion over the desert routes. Further afield, the kingdoms to the far south are embroiled in conflict, with the once-dominant Sabâ being eclipsed by the aggressive kingdom of Himyar. Perhaps we could take advantage of this situation; we may need to if it disrupts the flow of incense. Above all, we must take care not to disturb the powers that be, until we have the power to do so.

Perhaps, one day, our diplomats will enter the halls of Rome as equals.
Perhaps, one day, the thunder of Arabian hooves will echo across the plains of the Tigris.
Perhaps, one day, the herdsmen of Hauran will march in lockstep to where glory calls.
Perhaps, one day, the waters of the Nile will wash on Nabatean soil.
Perhaps, one day, it will be us who all lesser realms seek to emulate.
And perhaps, one day, your realm will be more than a Malkût - an Archê.


New Skins and Old Favorites

As a Hellenistic faction, the Nabatu field many of the same units as the Hasmoneans and Ptolemies, and as such merit their own skins for these troops. Some of these merit discussions of their own, due to development history.

Some of the tribal troops of Arabia will be reworked, with new models and units to more accurately represent ancient Arabs. These will be focused on in a later preview, highlighting the units of Nubia, Ethiopia, and the other parts of Arabia.


Euzonoi and Thureophoroi

https://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5993/thureo.png

While we have limited records of the Nabatean army, the friezes we do have depicting well-armored troops, the Euzonoi and Thureophoroi are in many ways just Hellenic versions of already existing Arabian troops - light, multipurpose troops not incredible in melee combat, but capable of filling multiple roles including skirmishing with javelins. Should you wish to field a more traditional Arabian army, they would be right at home.

Thureophoroi Bareis - The armor worn by these men is something of a "quiltothorax," a sort of armour that seems to have also been employed by the Persians. While Nabataean Thureophoroi also wore linothorakes, we have decided to depict this unique form of armor on the Nabataean Bareis to give them a distinct flavor from their Hasmonean rivals.

(You saw these guys fighting the Ekatonamachoi in the Hashmonayim vs. Nabatu video)


Machairophoroi

https://img806.imageshack.us/img806/2553/macha.png

In earlier concepting, the Nabatu had their own North Arabian Thureophoroi unit, armed and equipped similarly to Machairophoroi, but not with Machairai. However, the model that unit was based on already had several other units using it, and it seemed a little silly to create a new one when we had a perfectly serviceable Hellenic unit that could fulfill the same role.


Thorakitai

https://img408.imageshack.us/img408/453/thorak.png

A natural evolution of the Thureophoroi Bareis, the Thorakitai were a reflection of definite Roman influence in the Hellenic ranks. Similar troops would compose much of the urban militias of North Arabia, with wealthy merchants equipping themselves as heavy urban militia in desperate times, when typical slyness and bribery wouldn't get the job done. Equipped with heavy mail and well-made helmets, they are excellent heavy infantry, if a bit expensive.

Spathaphoroi - The Spathaphoroi originally began as a Nabatean unit, a sort of "Urbanite Infantry" concept. This idea was later rejected, as the Thorakitai would better represent the sort of heavy urban miltia fielded by North Arabian cities; but the model was kept around, and new concepts grew around it, including the original Ekatonamachoi. Eventually, the Spathaphoroi were kept as a unit representing mostly Galatian troops armed in a Hellenic manner - and for the Nabatu, they include a number of urbanite militia-troops who have chosen to go into battle wielding a straightsword, be it one of traditional Arabian make or of Galatian design and Hellenic forge. (We haven't been able to integrate them into the game yet)

Hippotoxotai - Horse-archery seems to have begun in Arabia with the Assyrians, who were the first "civilized" state to field them in significant numbers. From there, it seems to have taken root among the Qedar, a nomadic confederacy that controlled much of North Arabia during Achaemenid times. Horse archery was a natural step from camel archery, and ideally suited the nomadic Arabians, though javelins seem to have remained the preeminent ranged weapon.

Times have passed, with conical helmets giving way to Hellenistic ones in North Arabia, and linothrakes becoming the armor of choice; but horse-archery remains, and has only become more prominent among the various Syrian states with the coming of the Parthians. The Hellenes, however, employ their mounted archers in a different way than the Parthians. They are used as Akrobolistai, a mix between missile and melee cavalry. Their job is to ride up to the enemy flanks and unleash arrows, breaking the cohesion of the enemy, before closing in for melee with their longswords (most likely after the infantry clash had begun).

As the first to engage the enemy, they also serve as scouts and a screening force, distracting and disrupting the enemy. Well able to both discover and perform ambushes, they are useful strategically. With enough armor to withstand a decent beating, yet enough speed to cover the battlefield and relieve the infantry when necessary, they are a good all-purpose force, and a Nabatean general who can is advised to make use of them often. (We haven't been able to integrate them into the game yet)


Lonchophoroi

https://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5598/loncho.png

More heavily armored and durable than traditional Arabian nobles, though not as fast or strong in the charge. They could still find a home in a more traditional style army, though, if that is your preference.


New Units

Qeshatê Gamlâ (Nabatean Camel Archers)

Perhaps the iconic troop of the Nabataeans, they are only mentioned in two battles we have records of - at the Battle of Magnesia, and under the command of Obodas I near Gadara, where he used them to great effect against Alexander Jannaeus, exacting revenge for the Hasmonean capture of Gaza.


Muqrabê Saifâ (Arabian Swordsmen)

https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9296/swordsa.png


While the tribesmen of the north Arabian desert are poor in material goods, they are rich in two main things - oral traditions and experience with the harsh realities of the desert. Accustomed to raids, living off animals, and intense heat, they make excellent caravan guides, using their skills to earn something to supplement their paltry income. Over the years, they acquire things one might not expect common tribesmen to carry - namely, swords.

Among the tribal armies of Arabia, these men are the veterans. Equipped with helmets, a buckler, and a sword, they are able to deal effectively with most of their desert brethren and the lighter troops in contemporary Hellenistic armies. However, they are poorly equipped to deal with heavier troops or missiles, and are thus best deployed once such enemies are appropriately dealt with.



Parashîn Khiarîn (Arabian Noble Horsemen)

https://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6627/khiar.png

In the South of Arabia, horsemen are a relatively recent phenomenon, but they have been a mainstay of warfare in East and North Arabia since Achaemenid times. Since the arrival of Hellenism, most have adopted the two-handed lance style and some even wear linothorakes, but they remain the light and swift lancers they have been for centuries.

While they may not look like much, they are the best troops that most Arabian tribes can field. Composed of chieftains and their retainers, they wear a helmet, a thorax, and their clothes for protection. While they do carry straightswords if they should come to close quarters, they would be better off not doing so, instead using repeated charges and mobility to defeat their enemies.


Qestûnarîn (Nabatean Elite Infantry)

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2011-01-1216-51-02-76.jpg


(They've had a few changes since this screenie was taken, they now look better)

The elite infantrymen of Hellenistic Arabia were armoured much the same way as the crack troops of their western rivals; in an iron cuirass, helmet, and greaves, highly effective protection for the most vital areas of the body, or those not covered by a shield. But they seem to have differed somewhat in weaponry - for example, we find a fine axe depicted alongside a thureos in one frieze from Petra. Axes were not common among the Hellenistic soldiers of the time, but were a traditional weapon among the Arabs of the Red Sea.

From their carrying such a weapon, it can be inferred that they were assault troops, whose job it was to storm fortresses and walls. For this task, they would probably have carried several javelins and an aspis shield, much like the Peltastai Makedonikoi fielded by the Seleucids and Antigonids.

But don't confuse these men for the nimble assault troops of old; these men have heavy weapons and armour, and are best suited in a slugfest with the best of their enemies, where their armour-crushing axes can give them an edge - don't waste them on light enemies, where a troop of desert swordsmen or Euzonoi will get the job done. Rather than exploiting gaps, the Arabikon Agema create them.


Katphraktoi

https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6074/katasz.png


As would any nation that could afford them, the Nabatu would field contingents of cataphracts; though, as a Hellenistic faction, their equipment would be of a decidedly more Greek bent. Should you conquer the lands of Syria and Mesopotamia, you will be able to add these monsters to your armies.


Khavarîn (Nabatean Elite Cavalry)

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/RomeTW-BI2011-01-1216-50-08-45.jpg

With more and more wealth flowing into their hands, the rulers of Hellenized Arabia saw fit to outfit units of heavy horsemen as bodyguards. The resulting units were a mix of Arabian, Hellnistic, and Parthian traditions and equipment. While in the cities near Parthian lands the equipment of such units reflected more of a cataphract bent, the units fielded by the Nabataeans and Palmyrans were of a more Hellenistic style, and are depicted as such in friezes and murals.

As most Hellenistic elites of their time, these horsemen wear iron cuirass, helmet, and greaves for protection, and have armor for their horse as well. In a more traditional manner, they wield their lance two handed, and carry an Arabian straightsword instead of the conventional kopis; but in function they resemble their western rivals - to protect and serve the king wherever he may set food. It is for this reason they are called Khavarîn, companions, and they will live up to their name to the best of their ability.

Qestûnarê Malkâ (Nabatean Bodyguard)

The Nabatean bodyguards, much like those of the Hasmoneans and Ptolemies, are composed of a collection of affluent elites and a few resolute warriors who have earned their place through gallantry rather than birth. Regardless, these men are the king's most trusted men, many having grown up alongside him in the court. In peaceful times, they relax, cajole, and even joke with the princes they serve, sharing wine and women in luxury. Yet should the war-horn sound, they are at the beck and call of their master, by his side throughout the campaign, and as long as the war should last, they will continue to be so.

(They use the same model and skin as the Khavarîn)

[anubis88]

Damn the generals of the Nabateans look good... Almost too good... Perhaps even i will play with Nabatu someday :D

[QuintusSertorius]

The Qestonarîn look awesome.

[gamegeek2]

The Qestonarîn look awesome.

They actually look better now. I'll get you some screenies soon :)

[QuintusSertorius]

The torch-holding in the night battles does something wierd to the shield arm. What's that all about?

[Iain.]

I think Qestonarîn are going to be my new favourite unit.

[gamegeek2]

The Qestûnarîn are indeed awesome. Any comments on the other units guys? They deserve some love, too :)

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Like the fleshing out of Arabian units. Somewhat overlooked in EB I thought. Arabia was always famous for its swordsmen.

[vartan]

Like the fleshing out of Arabian units. Somewhat overlooked in EB I thought. Arabia was always famous for its swordsmen.
Correction: infamous! Haha ha ha! Off on my flying carpet now, byeeeee!

Good job on the preview guys. I really enjoyed it very much. Seems like there's a lot of work going on in the EB:NOM factory these days. I should check in now and again.

[anubis88]

Correction: infamous! Haha ha ha! Off on my flying carpet now, byeeeee!

Good job on the preview guys. I really enjoyed it very much. Seems like there's a lot of work going on in the EB:NOM factory these days. I should check in now and again.

Indeed you should :laugh4:

There's some work for you nowdays...

[vartan]

Indeed you should :laugh4:

There's some work for you nowdays...
Nah, I'm on holiday for the next 90 years, lol.

[jirisys]

Correction: infamous! Haha ha ha! Off on my flying carpet now, byeeeee!

Post of win.

~Jirisys ()

[Atraphoenix]

You have made such a nice progress that I nearly decided to give up playing Pahlavans!
I hope my Shahanshah does not hear this :laugh4:

[gamegeek2]

EB:NOM - Units in Action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT-93GfJGc8)

Not a high quality video, I made it within about an hour or so.

[Lionheart]

Very nice video gg2. It's good to see the units in action. Thank's for the effort. And you are right. The Qestunarin look even greater then before.

[anubis88]

You have made such a nice progress that I nearly decided to give up playing Pahlavans!
I hope my Shahanshah does not hear this :laugh4:

It will be indeed a completly other matter to fight the Late Roman Republic that those poor Seleucid bastards :clown:

[Atraphoenix]

It will be indeed a completly other matter to fight the Late Roman Republic that those poor Seleucid bastards :clown:

Seleucids should be RIP at the start date of our mod. :hanged:

[anubis88]

Seleucids should be RIP at the start date of our mod. :hanged:
They will be. I'm comparing it to EB, where the Romans never managed to come near Micra Asia, let alone be of any worry to my Shahanshah.

[Atraphoenix]

I have really never seen Roman AI dominating others, no matter what exe you use.
Lusos are very dangerous if they manage to unite iberia.
Sadly even after I have given romani millions of denari I could not manage it to be aggressive.

[anubis88]

Indeed. This is definetly a priority. Make the Romans feared in EBNOM. They were feared for a reason, so the player should feel that even if playing the stupid bi.exe engines :)

[Lionheart]

We could make the romans feared. However probably in the Nom i will try all other factions first and save Rome for last. I'm wondering how will Numidia go against Rome. I drem of conquering Rome, enslave the romans and make then cry like little .... you get the ideia i'm sure. Sadly i dont have a ideia when a new preview will see the light. However i can tell you guys that a faction is currently beeing maked...one of our surprise faction that is...now you simply need to have some patiente.

[Populus Romanus]

Is it possible to get any more history for the Nabatu, preferably around 272 BC?

[Lionheart]

here goes some info http://nabataea.net/who.html

[gamegeek2]

It's a good quality amateur site, however be warned it does mention a few bogus theories in it. (Nabatu for example were definitely not from Mesopotamia, that can be disproven linguistically).

[fomalhaut]

some of the new unit skins are awesome! really good job guys. EB team had some really good artists i thought, at least ones with eyes for making units cool to look at (Massilia Hoplites, anyone?). Even the Haploi in their simplistic attire look cool.

Same here for this so keep it up!

[anubis88]

I'm sorry but i have some bad news. Yesterday the 3 triumvirs of our mod, me, gg2 and Finn got into a huge fight. The guys called me names, which i don't forgive. Thanks to the fact that i'm the administrator on our forum, i locked them all out, and in a state of anger deleted many topics that we used for research, until my girlfriend finaly intervened, and thus stopped my action.

Unfortunatly the guys were so angry by what i have done, that they decided to leave the team for good and start working on other mods.

I apologize to the fans, but i've deleted more then 95 % of our work... I really hope it can be retrieved some way and perhaps those guys shall join with me again. I'll post every new develepoment.

Again, my bad.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Wow... That's... An April fool's joke if ever I saw one. :clown:

[vartan]

I hope you did not delete my thread on Armenia. I know where you live Anubis, and I know what you did last summer.

-Vartan

[anubis88]

I hope you did not delete my thread on Armenia. I know where you live Anubis, and I know what you did last summer.

-Vartan

HAHAHA... good one :D

April fools? Naaah :clown:

[jirisys]

I'm sorry but i have some bad news. Yesterday the 3 triumvirs of our mod, me, gg2 and Finn got into a huge fight. The guys called me names, which i don't forgive. Thanks to the fact that i'm the administrator on our forum, i locked them all out, and in a state of anger deleted many topics that we used for research, until my girlfriend finaly intervened, and thus stopped my action.

Unfortunatly the guys were so angry by what i have done, that they decided to leave the team for good and start working on other mods.

I apologize to the fans, but i've deleted more then 95 % of our work... I really hope it can be retrieved some way and perhaps those guys shall join with me again. I'll post every new develepoment.

Again, my bad.

I happened to record that on the forum.

Just send me your credit card information and I will relay the data to you.

If you want to save the nigerian prince's kingdom. also send me your credit card information.

Regards.

The "Society for the Conception of Abstinence and Motherhood" and the "Empresary-Modeler Asociation of International Logistics".

~Jirisys ()

[gamegeek2]

We'll be releasing what we had done so far soon...at least you guys will get to play with sick new units! But yeah, it's over...

[Lazy O]

Lame April Fools joke is so lame...

[Cute Wolf]

Lame April Fools joke is so lame...

well, nope, but a good news is, we just agreed to hire a hacker for retrieving our lost datas, thanks for Anubis' and Gamegeek's credit card

[vartan]

well, nope, but a good news is, we just agreed to hire a hacker for retrieving our lost datas, thanks for Anubis' and Gamegeek's credit card
I actually work on the legal support team for the servers the forums are hosted on so...you better start lawyering up pal.

[jirisys]

I actually work on the legal support team for the servers the forums are hosted on so...you better start lawyering up pal.

I work as legal tender, so you better pay up.

~Jirisys ()

[Lazy O]

And I work with the mafia, so is that enough spam for this day?

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

There's always room for more.

[fomalhaut]

cool either way release the skins for those sick Nabatean elite axemen!

[gamegeek2]

You'll see what we have in mind. But the next preview is the priority ATM.

[Populus Romanus]

Spam Jiresus is such a con man. I cannot believe you fell for his ploys! Quickly, demand your money back.

[fomalhaut]

even if there isn't going to be a specific Indian faction due to the culture limit.......................... we are getting more Indian units right? The 3 from vanilla are awesome but i want more!

[anubis88]

Lol... Who said there were no specific indian factions?

[fomalhaut]

i read through and i thought it was a big deal on an indian faction to decide, since one might be too overpowered like AS. and culture limit kind of restricted that and i don't think youd want Indian culture with Roman buildings :P

[anubis88]

i read through and i thought it was a big deal on an indian faction to decide, since one might be too overpowered like AS. and culture limit kind of restricted that and i don't think youd want Indian culture with Roman buildings :P

Hm... Wait and see my friend... Wait and see :clown:

[gamegeek2]

As we come closer, the clues just get better...

...at this time the leading production centers of iron, most men in the levy have a few iron-tipped frameae, but fashioned with the wide La Tene spearheads that would spell certain doom for anyone unlucky enough to receive a wound from them. They unleash a storm of such weapons before closing in for the bloody melee with heavy spears and a fierce charge.

[gamegeek2]

Greetings, Europa Barbarorum fans.

Today, we of the Novus Ordo Mundi team are proud to present to you the seventh preview of our late game mod.

The Lugiones and West Balts

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--- Introduction ---

The lands east of the Rhine and north of the Danube, known to the Romans simply as Germania, have a lot more to them than simple, fairly homogenous 'barbarians' as many would often like to think. The variance among these peoples goes a lot deeper than simple dialectal and cultural differences, and while true they do have much in common, there is much more to them than we are often led to think.

Today's preview takes us to the lands east of the Oder/Widura, but west of the lands now known to us as Russia. During the late pRIA (pre-Roman Iron Age) and RIA (Roman Iron Age) these lands were dominated by people who spoke languages known to linguists as West Baltic tongues.


The People and their History

During the 3rd century BC, the Pomeranian culture had given way to the Przeworsk and Oksywie cultures, which were distinguished by extensive adoption of La Tene ironworking techniques. Given their geographic coincidence, the Lugiones are associated with the Przeworsk, and their rise and fall can be correlated with that of the Przeworsk as well.

The Celtic features of the Lugiones seem to have come from contact with Noric/Eastern Celts, such as the Boii. In particular, there was a great deal of overlap between the Przeworsk and the Cotini, a prosperous Celtic group who occupied the area around what is today Slovakia, including several iron-rich mines. These in turn were in extensive contact with the Dacians during the later years of the pRIA, and there was a good deal of overlap between the three. This can be particlarly seen by the spread of the single-edged straightsword, which from its origins along the Oder came into use among the Eastern Celts and Dacians.

The Lugiones were a confederacy of largely West Baltic tribes (some Eastern Celts were likely among them), located in the historical district of Silesia, as well as around the upper Vistula. Among their member-tribes were the Naharvali, Diduni, Arii, Omani, Buri, and Calisii (likely the inhabitants of the settlement of Kalisia).

Up until the Cimbric migrations, the Lugiones were the most powerful non-Celtic group present in Greater Germania. The Cimbric migration event rocked the established order in the region by devastating the Eastern Celtic oppida-culture that had been dominant in the region for centuries. In particular, the Boii were hard hit, and while they survived the migration intact, their area had been severely depopulated and many of their oppida were destroyed. Seizing upon this, the Suebian confederacy (particularly the Marcomanni) expanded to the south, into the area now known as Saxony, and even into parts of modern Bavaria (former lands of the Boii). The Lugiones would ally with Rome against them, but it was to little avail.

Hence, around 80 BC the Lugiones were at something of an inflection point - still powerful, and not as weakened as many of the Eastern Celts, but threatened by their powerful West Germanic neighbors and the migrating East Germanics in Pomerania. By the 1st century AD, the Lugians were of an increasingly East Germanic character, with the people who would eventually be known as the Vandals being incorporated into their confederacy. Despite this, they were still the master ironworkers of Germania, and produced fine long swords and even fielded heavy cavalry (as indicated by the fine, long cavalry swords they produced, and perhaps by the importance of horse-gear in warrior burials). It would be from this ethnos that the fearsome East Germanic horsemen of the migration period emerged.


Warriors of the Lugiones, West Balts, and East Germanics

Infantry


Jugunþiz (Germanic Skirmishers) - "Youth"

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Not yet "proven" in battle, these young men, aspiring to be full members of the tribe, seek glory and recognition from their kin in the thick of battle. As of yet untested by the hell of close combat, they are screening and picketing duties, and are equipped appropriately for the job. They would be the first ones to initiate the fight, by letting fly the first missiles to probe the enemy line for weaknesses and create a gap where the war-band might punch through.

In addition to their battlefield roles, such light infantry are invaluable raiders, their light equipment making it easy to raid the herds and farms of their enemies. No doubt this would be something that would prove their worth just as well, as bringing home an enemy's sheep would be infinitely more valuable to the tribe than an enemy's head.

NOTE: Given the almost identical function and equipment of the West Baltic and Germanic skirmishers, we have decided to incorporate them into the same unit.


Karai (West Baltic Common Levy) - "Warriors"

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Among the West Balts, a strong tradition exists of constant warfare, one that has thrived for some time in among the Lugians and has only grown more since the Cimbric migration. Every able-bodied, fully fledged member of the tribe is expected to stand in the battle-line. Lacking in any protection besides the shield-wall they form into, these men rely on those standing beside them to see them through the day, as all fight so that they may preserve their kith, kin, and kine.

As the West Baltic lands are at this time the leading production centers of iron, most men in the levy have a few iron-tipped frameae, but fashioned with the wide La Tene spearheads that would spell certain doom for anyone unlucky enough to receive a wound from them. They unleash a storm of such weapons before closing in for the bloody melee with heavy spears and a fierce charge.

Unlike the retainers, the Common Levy was not bound by ritual oath to stand and fight to the death, and might thus take to their heels should the gods' favor not be with them that day. Yet with the increasingly warlike climate following the Cimbric migration and subsequent Germanic expansionism, the contests such troops took part in became less and less like the ritualized warfare of tradition and more a brutal struggle for survival. Such men became more resolute and proficient warriors, who would put up a bitter fight to the last.


Werpanez (Germanic Slingers)

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Those not deemed full-fledged members of a tribe in Germania are typically not allowed to carry a spear or similar armament. That said, they are still made to serve in the defense of the tribe, an opportunity for such men to prove themselves worthy. Hence, these men go to war as slingers and archers, with nothing but a hunting knife for self-defense should the enemy manage to close with these men.

These particular men head to battle with a sling and a good number of stones. While not regarded very highly by their comrades, they do what they do well, and can pick off a number of men at a good distance. Their attacks ignore armor, making them highly valuable again well-armored troops of the Celts and Romans, but they are not as accurate nor as damaging as archers.

NOTE: Given the almost identical function and equipment of the West Baltic and Germanic slingers, we have decided to incorporate them into the same unit.


Skeutjonez (Germanic Archers)

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Those not deemed full-fledged members of a tribe in Germania are typically not allowed to carry a spear or similar armament. That said, they are still made to serve in the defense of the tribe, an opportunity for such men to prove themselves worthy. Hence, these men go to war as slingers and archers, with nothing but a hunting knife for self-defense should the enemy manage to close with these men.

These particular men head to battle with a long bow and a good number of arrows. While not regarded very highly by their comrades, they do what they do well, and can pick off a number of men at a good distance, though their arrows aren't quite as damaging as javelins. That said, they are not very effective against well-armored units, and shouldn't waste their ammunition against such troops.

NOTE: Given the almost identical function and equipment of the West Baltic and Germanic archers, we have decided to incorporate them into the same unit.


Tautāginai (West Baltic Retainer Infantry) - "Defenders of the Tribe"

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In the dark forests of Germania, a man's worth is measured not by the size of his war-chest, but the size of his war-band, the group of loyal followers sworn to protect him, in return for ale, plunder, and fame. Fierce and hardy men, they live by the fruits of their weapons, the javelin and the spear. With these they unleash a terrible hail of death and close in for a brutal contest at close quarters.

For these fine fighters, there is little to look forward to but the song and glory of war, though they may yet rise along with their chief. They eagerly follow their headman into the breach, for it is a dishonor to not match his valor in battle, as much as it is for him to not be the most valorous of them all. Lest their lord-friend be taken, spear-tip and iron, they fight to the last, and will fall in the line gladly should the same happen to him, for there is no greater disgrace than to survive the chief in battle.


Xeruneutōz (Germanic Retainer Swordsmen)

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In the dark forests of Germania, a man's worth is measured not by the size of his war-chest, but the size of his war-band, the group of loyal followers sworn to protect him, in return for ale, plunder, and fame. The more successful and/or wealthier warbands typically have a good number of swordsmen among their ranks. While not as valuable against cavalry or as effective in a shieldwall, swordsmen have an advantage in the swirling melee that many battles devolve into, and as such are a valuable asset for any army.

For these fine fighters, there is little to look forward to but the song and glory of war, though they may yet rise along with their chief. They eagerly follow their headman into the breach, for it is a dishonor to not match his valor in battle, as much as it is for him to not be the most valorous of them all. Lest their lord-friend be taken, spear-tip and iron, they fight to the last, and will fall in the line gladly should the same happen to him, for there is no greater disgrace than to survive the chief in battle.

NOTE: Given the almost identical function and equipment of the West Baltic and Germanic swordsmen, we have decided to incorporate them into the same unit.


Xaðuberanez (Germanic Clubmen) - "Battle-Bears"

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Among the many weapons wielded by the warriors of Germania, none are more primitive or simply brutal as the club. While one might now laugh at the choice to wield such a weapon in an age when iron tools of war are becoming increasingly common, the speed, strength, and technique with which these men wield their weapons makes one forget how simple they truly are!

The choice to wield a club goes beyond practical reasons - it's also an expression of the religious affiliation of these men. The great thunder-gods of contemporary Germanic and Baltic peoples - Þunraz and Perkwūnas - both wielded clubs as their weapons of choice. Hence, these clubmen may have been part of the cult of the thunder-god, and sought to imitate their deity in battle.

Typically, they form in a wedge formation, designed to break a hole in the enemy line with a powerful charge. This is aided by the fact that their heavy clubs give momentum to their charge, and they are naturally powerful and strong men - a good strike would break an enemy's shield, break several bones, or crush his skull. This and their bearskin cloaks give them a fierce reputation and appearance, which helps carry the enemy before them.

NOTE: Since the club troops of the Lugiones and Sweboz equipped themselves in a similar manner with identical weapons, we have decided to combine them into one unit.


Kirsninkai (Harii "Blackened" Warriors)

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Darkness falls. The camp is made, dinner has been had, and the men begin to snuff out their candles so that they might go to sleep. You hear the faintest rustle of leaves, but assure yourself that it is nothing more than a deer. Suddenly, you hear a gasp, and a body slumps to the ground. You rush outside, to see what has happened, fearing the guard has choked on a piece of the meat. But no - he is lying on the ground, blood spilling from his throat. As if this were a living nightmare, two demonic beings stalk the ground in front of you, their shields the color of their painted bodies, a hungry look in their eyes. You draw your sword, but it is too late - a spear thrust has found its mark. As you fall to the ground, you look into his eyes, the only thing you can see against the night around you. "Labanaktis" he says, as he thrusts downward into your neck.

These are the Harii, the most feared among all warriors in Germania. They fight with shield and body painted black, but aside from this their equipment does not differ much from typical Germanic warriors. They forgo the use of the javelin in favor of a single-edged shortsword, an ideal weapon with which to finish an enemy at close quarters in the night. With this and their skill with the spear, they make sure that few, if any, live to tell of the time they lived out their nightmares.


Isernabanðō (Germanic Elite Infantry)

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Few are the Germanic and Baltic warlords who can claim the sort of wealth or success required to equip their retainers with mail, or attract men with such equipment into the heireðaz. Such men would very likely be among the leaders of large tribes such as the Mergomannez, Heruskōz, or Burai. Because if anything is true about the world of the West Germanics and Balts, it is that might is right - regardless of the cunning of the man, he must have a loyal band of armed followers if he is to achieve great power and status in a world marked by continuous conflict.

These are the finest footmen to be found in the North. Like the vast majority of their comrades, the fight in the shield-wall as elite line troops, but carry swords as a weapon should their spear break, or the fight degenerate into an unorganized frenzy. It is in such a situation that they truly excel, able to carry the day against great odds with superior panoply and determination.

NOTE: Since the elite troops of the Lugiones and Sweboz equipped themselves in a similar manner with identical weapons, we have decided to combine them into one unit.


Cavalry

Kamnitninkai (West Baltic Retainer Cavalry)

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Since times long forgotten, the West Balts have kept small herds of horses on the plains of the Vistula, Narew, and Bug, as aids in herding, but also as steeds for battle. Since times long forgotten, horsemen have played but a secondary role in the warfare of the region - serving as scouts and clearing out enemy pickets, but not playing a decisive role in battle.

Since the Scythian incursion of the 5th century BC, however, the quality of the regions' steeds has steadily improved, as well-bred mounts from the steppes have been acquired over time as part of the amber trade and contact with nomadic groups to the east. Archaeology also indicates an increase in the importance of cavalry during the Przeworsk period, as equestrian equipment, including long swords, shows up increasingly in burials.

These men, however, do not wield long Celtic-influenced swords, but rather the single-edged swords more common in the region. Such weapons are cheaper to make, and nearly as effective in combat, very capable of carving a nasty gash in any opponent. And though their sword and horse are their marks of pride, it is their fearsome spears that make these men highly effective horsemen. The broad head showing clear Celtic influence, a successful hit from such a weapon is nearly a guaranteed kill. For protection, these men wear leather helmets and cuirasses and carry large bossed shields - more clear signs of La Tene culture.

While far from heavy cavalry, they pack a far more fearsome charge and follow-up than the light horse characteristic of their West Germanic neighbors. These lesser nobles and their retainers are not the heavy horsemen that the wealthier nobles and their companions are, and should not be used as such. Their task is not to break the enemy line, but to sweep aside light troops, put those to flight, and turn on the weakest points of an enemy's line - the flanks and rear.


Bruninkai (Lugian Heavy Cavalry)

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Born out of the ashes of the Pomeranian culture, the Przeworsk culture was one of two Baltic cultures that flourished during Roman Iron Age. With the introduction of Celtic ironworking techniques, metallurgy flourished, to the extent that the Przeworsk area could be called the "Armamentarium Europae Barbarorum."

Since the Scythian incursion of the 5th century BC, the quality of the regions' steeds had steadily improved, as well-bred mounts from the steppes were acquired over time through contact with the nomadic east. Archaeology also indicates an increase in the importance of cavalry during the Przeworsk period, as equestrian equipment, including long swords, shows up increasingly in burials. The wealth required to field such heavy horsemen can be attributed to the amber trade which passed through Lugian lands.

Despite advances in metallurgy, metal armour was still rare, reserved for those who imported it or won it in battle from Celts and Romans. With a long lance in one hand and a heavy shield in the other, these men bravely charge into battle, and slash their opponents to pieces with a long cavalry sword. It was from these men that the East Germanic cavalry tradition of later times would be born.


We hope you have enjoyed this preview of the Lugiones. Happy Easter to all!


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Courtesy of Finn MacCumhaill. Though this guy isn't actually a Lugian :oops:

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[fomalhaut]

wowzers!! very impressive, makes me want to start a sweboz campaign almost

[Atraphoenix]

Splendid job mate!

[fomalhaut]

an idea for indian/indo unit... one of those masked mounted warriors but on foot! the coolest looking units in EB are mounted only; Bactrian Catas, Indo-Iranian Cav, etc. I'm sure there is historical support for those type of armoured men serving as on foot bodyguards? Plus bringing those masked warriors from distant lands is scary as hell and a cool 'gimmick' when they are brought to fight in the West.

also; for the units that are staying the same, are there going to be reskins? the Sertoriani units that are Lusotan crossovers seem to be still using the same exact skin and color scheme. they will be re skinned right? not even a rehaul like theurophoroi

[Lionheart]

about the sertorinai anubis is the right men to ask.

Also thanks to gg2 you have a easter preview. The units are splendid and perhaps in the nearfuture some surprises will come again.

Anyways happy easter to you all and enjoy the Lugiones preview.

[anubis88]

also; for the units that are staying the same, are there going to be reskins? the Sertoriani units that are Lusotan crossovers seem to be still using the same exact skin and color scheme. they will be re skinned right? not even a rehaul like theurophoroi

Nah, i see no need for reskining those units, as they seem imho some of the best in EB in terms of quality to me. We really need our skinners to work on new units, rather then wasting their (his) time on old units that look good :)

[Tanit]

I haven't been onto NoM forum in a while, focusing on school and EB2, but I have more time now that the term is over, send me a PM if there is something I can help with.

[anubis88]

I haven't been onto NoM forum in a while, focusing on school and EB2, but I have more time now that the term is over, send me a PM if there is something I can help with.

There's a vague memory of sth about Gaul in my mind... :clown: IIRC you said you would do something there when you'd had the time

[Tanit]

Oh yeah! I forgot about that. I will be trying my hand at skinning an EB2 unit for the first time the next couple of days, but later this week I will present you with my thoughts on the matter.

[fomalhaut]

what kind of tuts and programs would i need to learn to skin? I'm getting on summer vacation here in a month and only a few things will on my table, working/workingout/reading and i would love to be able to meaningfully contribute. this IS a long term project after all and i am assuming there will be multiple versions so any learning i'd have to do could help eventually.

thanks/gratia/danke

[LusitanianWolf]

Damn, now I dont know what to play 1st: the sertoriani or the lugiones :P
And the other preview also are pretty cool!

[gamegeek2]

Guess you'll like our new East Celtic um, new stuff!

[LusitanianWolf]

Sure I will, bring it on :beam:

[fomalhaut]

Sertoriani faction is going to kick a**! i will march to Rome, Jerusalem, Persia.

is Sertorius going to have the most starting command stars? or will Pompey?

[anubis88]

Sertoriani faction is going to kick a**! i will march to Rome, Jerusalem, Persia.

is Sertorius going to have the most starting command stars? or will Pompey?

Sulla will be the one at the beginning to have the most stars imho...

[fomalhaut]

do you truly believe Sulla could defeat Sertorius? i mean, he surely has more slimey, dirty, rotten, subterfuge points but that's because one is a dirty politician and the other is a noble statesmen *sertorius you are so dreamy*

lol

[Cute Wolf]

do you truly believe Sulla could defeat Sertorius? i mean, he surely has more slimey, dirty, rotten, subterfuge points but that's because one is a dirty politician and the other is a noble statesmen *sertorius you are so dreamy*

lol

Sertorius is as dirty, if not more, since he doing some certain shady blatant briberies (so enemy army backstab their former employer) and extortion against both his fellow Romans and Iberians :clown:

all Politics and power are dirty

[jirisys]

all Politics and power are dirty

Yet you think kings should rule people? :inquisitive:

~Jirisys ()

[Cute Wolf]

Yet you think kings should rule people? :inquisitive:

~Jirisys ()

it's better to let a dedicated section of society to nobly sacrifice themselves by playing with dirty politics. Mob rules means all person in that society will be dirty, and that's bad for society.

[vartan]

it's better to let a dedicated section of society to nobly sacrifice themselves by playing with dirty politics. Mob rules means all person in that society will be dirty, and that's bad for society.
Don't mess with anarchists, I don't think you're ready for the deep end of the pool yet.

[fomalhaut]

ah i love justifications for plutocracy, we can legitimate the darndest things with these brains of ours

[Cute Wolf]

ah i love justifications for plutocracy, we can legitimate the darndest things with these brains of ours

I say that because I just read too much about benefits of monarchy :wink:
yeah, if you working with monarchy researches, you'll love em sooner or later

[Finn MacCumhail]

Nero, Caligula, Commodus, Heliogabalus and Caracalla approve the idea of monarchy, and they feel sorry that Cute Wolf was not their true servant.

Please, stop the offtopic.

PS

The concept of Lugii Symbol came out of this archaeological finding (http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:1GljLOimHOBCAM:http://www.kalevalakoru.fi/instancedata/kalevalakoru/productimages/display/103.jpg&t=1)

[Cute Wolf]

I have my very own kingdom in the far east, remember? :grin:
yeah yeah... stop the offtopic

[gamegeek2]

Good news: working alpha again!
Bad news: You can't see it :p

[LusitanianWolf]

Good news: working alpha again!
Bad news: You can't see it :p
Good News: :2thumbsup::2thumbsup:
Bad News: :shame:

[gamegeek2]

http://diy2.despair.com/share/42499757.jpg

[imperator77]

did they release a preview download

[Loofa]

Looks very cool, cant wait to play! Looking most forward to playing as Romani and Pontos!

@ and i agree that Sulla would probably have the most stars starting as the Romans

[fomalhaut]

Sertorius or bust

I hope to see a cool Luso-Romano hybrid for Sertorius' general unit

[MButcher]

"Sertorius or bust

I hope to see a cool Luso-Romano hybrid for Sertorius' general unit"


According to the preview:


Equites Devotionum (Consecrated Horsemen)
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This is the bodyguard unit of the Sertoriani. A superbly equiped, loyal to the death cavalry unit, these men are the finest horsemen in this part of the world. They are armoured from head to toe, with even the face being under a mask, in order to cause fear in the hearts of the enemy. Along with the Elite Celtiberian Spearmen and the Ambakaro, these men were the fiercest warriors of the Sertoriani, a cause of great fear for the Roman generals sent to fight against Sertorius and his followers. There are numerous reports of Sertorius with his followers being in the thickest part of battle, with all odds against them, and still winning, or at least finding a way out. Nothing can stand in the way of this men if they are used correctly, and winning in the Sertoriani campaing may very well depend on your use of these devoted soldiers.

[jirisys]

Ah, I missed this thread :')

~Jirisys ()

[LusitanianWolf]

4 months since last preview? :no:
I gess it due to work in MP (I'll be back soon to it) but still its a pity, since this was looking so great!

[vartan]

4 months since last preview? :no:
I gess it due to work in MP (I'll be back soon to it) but still its a pity, since this was looking so great!
Patience is rewarded in kind.

[gamegeek2]

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/heavydrapanai.jpg

[LusitanianWolf]

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/heavydrapanai.jpg
:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

[fomalhaut]

it's the perfect unit. there's no way that costs any less than like 5,000 bucks, because that baby there would destroy entire many morae of spartan hoplites

[vartan]

:stare: This unit is a god. :stare:

[Hamata]

oh my gods this is awsome nice works guys

[anubis88]

The latest units Finn is making are indeed incredible... Wait till you see the others :D

[gamegeek2]

https://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7489/rometwalx20110627221955.jpg

Whoops, I guess you see the name on this one!

[LusitanianWolf]

Whoops, I guess you see the name on this one!
Its called Paused? :P
I can already imagine little romans running away in panic :yes:
Very beautifull unit :2thumbsup:

[vartan]

Beautiful coastal map (see the mini-map).

[Finn MacCumhail]

Here is a unit that I have done from the zero, from the cylinder actually.

Attentive readers admit that the tattoos were taken from the Finding Blue by Catherine Cartwright Jones (EB2 Pritanoi preview made us familiar with this work) http://www.tapdancinglizard.com/findingblue/index.html

https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/ebnomfinn/modding/01.jpg

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[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

https://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/Jegwettnorskbaralit/heavydrapanai.jpg

Nitpicking this may be, but if he swings lefty, shouldn't the falx be on the other side?
Otherwise, everything looks beautiful! Good work guys!

[Finn MacCumhail]

One more candy.

After messing up with creating some higher quality models, it comes out smth like this:

https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/ebnomfinn/modding/EBNOM.jpg

And here you can see the details

https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/ebnomfinn/ebnom2.jpg

[LusitanianWolf]

Nice, good work!!!!! :2thumbsup:
But that Briton seems kinda.. sad. Why is it? XD

[vartan]

Nice, good work!!!!! :2thumbsup:
But that Briton seems kinda.. sad. Why is it? XD
He's not sad. It's his dimples.

[jirisys]

He looks awfully weird. Sex-offender weird.

~Jirisys ()

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

He's cross-eyed.:goofy:

[Populus Romanus]

he looks like me.

[anubis88]

There's a new preview in the works... Any guesses which faction? ;D

[vartan]

There's a new preview in the works... Any guesses which faction? ;D
Can you give a hint? haha.

[anubis88]

Sure... They had a large empire at some point :clown:

[vartan]

Sure... They had a large empire at some point :clown:
Hmm I wonder what it could be...haha...

[anubis88]

A small preview for the preview :dizzy2:

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[QuintusSertorius]

Those dudes have no idea what's just about to hit them.

[anubis88]

I wonder if anyone recognises the green-shielded units...

[jirisys]

I wonder if anyone recognises the green-shielded units...

Evocata or Antesignati.

~Jirisys ()

[vartan]

Evocata or Antesignati.

~Jirisys ()
No fair, don't you work for them? .__.

[anubis88]

No fair, don't you work for them? .__.

He hasn't shown himself for quite some time now tough... And he's wrong :clown:

[jirisys]

No fair, don't you work for them? .__.

You love that smiley don't you? WE work for them V.


He hasn't shown himself for quite some time now tough... And he's wrong :clown:

gg2 never tells me what to do=don't have anything to do=all my work is done.

~Jirisys ()

[vartan]

They look like some sort of auxiliary troops to me, but that's just at first glance. I haven't logged on and I certainly am not a Romanist, so I'm probably wrong :-/

[anubis88]

Yep, it's our Batavian Foot Auxilia... Very reliable guys in battle...

[anubis88]

Greeting Europa Barbarorum : Novus Ordo Mundi fans...

Today we will present our first Romani preview:

SENATVS POPVLVSQVE ROMANVS
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The First century BC is an age of turmoil in the Roman Republic. The weakness of the Republic was shown for the first time since Hannibal rampage through Italian soil when the wealthy Numidian King Jugurtha was able to bribe Roman officials and evade the undisciplined Roman army for several years. Hordes of the barbarian Cimbri and Teutones inflicted huge defeats on the armies of SPQR, defeats that the republic was barely able to recover from.
Seeing this weakness of the great nation even their longest lasting allies rebelled against their former masters, creating a capital in Corfinium in the very homeland of the republic and waged a bloody war on the people they called brothers for so long. Like with the two wars before, this war again shook the Urbs to it’s core. At the same time a new threat rose from the East. The Pontic king Mithridates Eupator openly challenged Rome for the supremacy in the eastern Mediterranean and was very successful at first, driving the Romans out of Greece proper, and was able to see Italian soil with the naked eye.
The First century BC was a time of great Roman Warlords. Gaius Marius was elected a consul for 7 times and during that time he reformed the Roman army in to a professional fighting force. Yet the man to whom the start of our mods timeframe belongs hears to the words of Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix.
Sulla was first noted serving under Marius during his campaign in Numidia. Arranging the capture of the African king, Sulla gained much political influence. He was elected consul during the Social war, and then proceeded with doing the unthinkable; he marched with his armies on Rome. He did that because his old mentor and now enemy Marius wanted to march on Mithridates himself, which Sulla would not allow. After settling the situation in Italy Sulla marched on Mithridates and crushed his armies in 2 great battles, thus forcing the Pontic king to retreat back to Asia. Yet Sulla was unable to finish him since problems stirred up in Rome, so he had to return again and in 82 he defeated his opposition at the battle of the Collina gates.
After the battle Sulla was elected as dictator, now having all the power in Rome in his hands. At first glance the Romans might have thought the time of endless battles and civil war was over, but they were in for a nasty surprise.
New threats combined with enemies of old arose for Rome in 80 BC. The Roman general Quintus Sertorius was able to start a rebellion in Hispania with the help and support of a fierce local population. Mithridates the Greatwon a brief war with Rome, and had himself return some pride he had lost. The Pontic Empire was still a formidable nation, controlling the Black sea and the surrounding areas. He also allied with the great king of Armenia, Tigranes II, and this alliance formed a new superpower in the east. Further east, the Parthian Kings also continued their rise in power, and could potentially become a real threat to Rome. It was becoming clear to the Romans that war will have to be waged on multiple fronts yet again, and this time with more powerfull enemies than ever before… And there was always the fear of local rebellion that a dictator had to be aware of…

The Marian Army

Gaius Marius reformed the Roman army so that it became a professional standing army paid by the state. The old division between the Hastati, Principes and Triarii remained only by name, as now all of the legionaires were equipped in the same manner. Of course the army was supported by various non-legionary troops, so these armies were as versatile as any found in the world at the time.

Antesignani (Post Marian Elite Legionary Light Infantry)
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Antesignani are elite legionaries trained to fight outside the heavy infantry's battle formation. Armed with spears, several light javelins, and a gladius they are more lightly armoured with a simple bronze breastplate instead of lorica hamata, a new Coolus bronze helmet, and carry smaller oval shields instead the heavy scuta to increase their agility. On march the duties of the Antesignani are to cover the columns as well as to scout and secure the area in front of the army. In a battle they can be used to screen the legions advance, to counter enemy skirmishers, or to support the cavalry if no specialised auxiliaries are available.

Cohors Reformata (Post Marian Legionary Cohort)
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Roman legionaries are during the Marian period uniformly equipped with two pila, a gladius, and an elliptical scutum around 1.28m high. Their main armour still remains a coat of lorica hamata (chain mail) and a Montefortino-type helmet. The high quality of the legions equipment has become one of the great strengths of the Roman infantry, besides their strict discipline. In battle they will throw their pila as soon as the enemy comes in range to soften his formation and then engage at close quarters.

Cohors Evocata (Post Marian Reenlisted Veterans Cohort)
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A Cohors Evocata consist of former legionaries that have reenlisted again, forming now a veteran corps within the army. They are liberated from the many routine duties of a normal soldier and their weapons and armour are of high quality. Besides a an oval scutum, Evocati wear a suit of lorica hamata (chain mail), the new Coolus bronze helmet and two greaves for protection and are fighting like normal legionaries with a gladius and pila.

Eqvites Thracvm (Thracian Auxiliary Cavalry)
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The Thracians field a versatile medium cavalry equipped for both, skirmishing and shock actions. Besides their swords, every rider carries several light javelins to skirmish with the enemy flank guards or simply weaken the formations before the roman infantry engages or the Thracian horsemen charge to finish them. Compared to most Thracian cavalry, the well paid and supplied horsemen serving with our legions are equipped with considerably better gear. Most of their equites wear lorica squamata (scale mail) with iron scales and good quality bronze helmets. Additionally the Thracian fight with a large oval shield, rarely used by most nations cavalrymen. Although this heavy shields are difficult to handle in most combat situations, and limiting the use of the reigns, they have proved their enormous value in battle, by offering a vastly increased defence in close combat as well as against missile fire. Together with other auxiliaries the Thracian horsemen give our legions the much needed effective cavalry support and are a worthy replacement for the roman equites of previous centuries.

Eqvites Hispanorvm (Hispanic Auxiliary Cavalry)

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Equites Hispanorum are a versatile medium cavalry equipped for skirmishing and close combat. The tribes of Iberia have strong equestrian traditions and their breeds are famed in many countries. Usually every rider carries multiple light javelins and a fine Iberian falcata sword for close combat, while riding a excellently trained horse. The horsemen recruited in our provinces are comparably well protected and prepared to fight the enemy even in a prolonged melee. Each eques defensive gear consists of a good quality bascinet type bronze helmet, the widely used caetra round shield and a shirt of lorica hamata (chain mail). Hispanic cavalry can ride down skirmishers, protect the flanks of the infantry, prepare their attack with their javelins or skirmish with the enemy's light troops, while they are always capable to charge at the right opportunity. The Spanish auxiliary cavalrymen are trained to form the cantabrian circle, the famous javelin attack formation named after one of their tribes credited with it's invention, which allows the cavalrymen to stay mobile while providing a concentrated continuous missile fire against a single point at the enemy formation. However the Equites Hispanorum are still medium cavalry and a supporting force, it should never be expected that they alone can win a battle.

Eqvites Germanorvm (Germanic Auxiliary Cavalry)

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While the majority of Germanics mainly rely on their infantry some tribes are famous for the horsemen and good quality cavalry. Their manoeuvres are surprisingly well executed and the horsemen are taught to fight as a unit even without roman training. The Equites Germanorum in roman service are an excellent light to medium cavalry force, suited to fight in skirmishes as well as shock actions. As most of the other tribal warrior these men are armed with several frame, long spears with a iron tip that can be thrown as well, and a wooden shield but other than ordinary Germanic cavalry the roman auxiliaries are usually also equipped with chain mail shirts and often ride bigger horses of Mediterranean breeds. Thus they can fight at close quarters for an considerably longer time and with much higher chances to succeed.

Eqvites Gallorvm (Gallic Auxiliary Cavalry)
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Equites Gallorum are a versatile medium cavalry equipped for both, skirmishing and shock actions. Besides their main lances, every rider carries several light javelins to weaken the enemy formations and some of them also a Celtic long sword for close combat. Other than many of their counterparts from free Celtic tribes the horsemen recruited in our provinces are comparably well protected and better prepared to fight the enemy at close quarters. Each eques defensive gear consists of a good quality bronze helmets, a small round shields and a shirt of lorica hamata (chain mail). Additionally Equites Gallorum now use the four horned saddle, a new and very useful supplementation to cavalry equipment, that enables a firm seat in almost all situations. Drawn from the upper classes of local Celtic societies these are well trained and respected warriors that have become an integral part of many armies of the Res Publica. Together with other auxiliaries they give our legions the much needed effective cavalry support and are a worthy replacement for the roman equites of previous centuries. Gallic cavalry can ride down skirmishers, protect the flanks of the infantry or prepare their attack with their javelins while they are always capable to charge at the right opportunity. However they are still medium cavalry and a supporting force, it should never be expected that they alone can win a battle.

Eqvites Consvlares (Republican Consular Guard Cavalry)
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Consuls, and other high Roman officials, are escorted by small mounted bodyguards. Most of these horsemen share a similar background and strong social ties with their general, and loyally fight with him as heavy cavalry.Magnificent, prestigious Greek armour is predominantly used by the Equites Consulares. Most of them wear shining bronze muscle cuirasses, Etrusco-Corinthian helmets, and greaves on both legs. Besides the traditional Roman round parma equestris shield they carry a hasta lance and swords as weapons. Each eques has at least three horses and is accompanied by two grooms.

The Augustan Army

The Augustean legion was in full size around 6000 men strong. At the end of Augustuses reign the Empire had 25 legions, since 3 were lost in the battle Teutoburg Forest. The numbers of legions varied a bit in the future, reaching 30 under Trajan, then again under Marcus Aurelius, and 33 during the time of Septimius Severus.

In the age of Augustus 65% of the soldiers were from of Italian origin, while that number declined to a 1 %! during the reign of Caracalla. Each legion consisted of 10 cohortes, each 6 centuries strong. Every legion had a smaller cavalry detachment of 120 men.
The legion leader, Legatus legionis, was of senatorial rank, while the second in command, the praefectus castrorum, was of the equites.

The Auxilia were arranged in units of 500 men (Auxilia), or 1000, the double auxilia, named cohors militaria. This was the larger part of the imperial army, consisting of about 250.000 men. These men were usually in the first lines of battle, since the Romans didn't value them enough as the Legionaires, since they weren't considered of the same social status. At first, the auxilia were known from the place the came from, which changed in the second century AD, where the original ethnic predispositions of an auxilia group were lost.

The commanders of the auxilia were the preafectus cohortis of the Equites class. The alae, in the size of 500 men (ala quingenaria) or 1000 men (ala militaria), commanded by the preafecti alae, had the best reputation in the army. Also the cohors equitata were used – these were joint footmen and cavarly, in a ration of 3:1 in favour of the footmen.
The auxilia were becomming more and more like the legionaries in terms of armament, tactics and training. Nonetheless, some local ways were retained in arms and such, especially in the East.
In the 2nd century AD, a new unit, theNumerii appeared. They were simmilar to the auxilia, but retained their native arms and had commanders who was from their ranks, so they would speak the same language. Of these men, the most important were the cavalry detatchments, the so called Vexillationes. The increasing use of this units, the best of whom were the units of Maurian cavalrymen (vexillationes equitum Maurorum), the Germanic bodyguards, and the cavalry detatchments from the Arabians and Parthians led to the eventual barbarisation of the Roman military.

The Roman army reached it's peak of power in the late 1. century and 2. century AD. Even tough they lost a few battles, in the long run the Romans always proved victorious. The success didn't really solely on their number, but their discipline (it felt drastically during Commodus), training, armament and technical knowledge.
From Hadrian onwards, heavier cavalry began to be fielded, the so called catafractarii (we hear mention of a»praefectus alae Gallorum et Pannoniorum catafractatae«)

Vigiles (Town Watch)
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Besides the regions of Italia, that now have collectively gained citizenship, they can be recruited in all fully Romanized provinces of the Imperium Romanum, where great numbers of our citizens have now their home.Vigiles are paramilitary units that mostly act as fire fighters and night watches, and sometimes have additional police duties. Most of them are lightly armed with a spear and a gladius and carry an ovular shield and a bronze Montefortino helmet for protection. With this equipment they can be used as an emergency defence, but these men are not soldiers and they should not be expected to defeat real warriors on even terms.

Cohors Imperatoria (Imperial Legionary Cohort)
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Legionary infantry is still the backbone of the imperial army and it is now easily considered as the most disciplined and most versatile heavy infantry in the world. Their broad training and famous discipline offers them many tactical possibilities in battle, but normally legionaries will fight in the traditional way: throw their pila as soon as the enemy comes in range to soften his formation and then engage at close quarters. While not designed to do so, the pilum can be used like a normal spear as well to make it possible for the legionaries to defend themselves more readily against heavy cavalry attacks. The legion's high quality equipment has become one of the great strengths of the Roman infantry, besides their strict discipline. Most legionnaires are now equipped with Coolus bronze helmets, shirts of lorica hamata or squamata (chain or scale mail) as main body armour and a half ovular scutum, slightly lighter than old republican oval type, while being armed with a type Mainz gladius, two pila and a short dagger called a pugio.

Cohors Imperatoria (Imperial Legionary Cohort)
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The request of many EB fans has finally seen light. This Segmentata cohors will be available throught the Roman Empire. They are using the same equipment as other legionaires, with the obvious difference of being armoured with Lorica Segmentata instead of Hamata or Squamata.

Cohors Imperatoria Levantinorum (Eastern Roman Imperial Cohorts
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After Rome's defeat at the battle of Carrhae, the Romans started using more heavily armoured legionaires on their easter front. These men diverge from the regular legionaire by being more heavily armoured and have predominantly used the scale Squamata armour. That way they were less vulnerable to the missiles of the horse-archer Parthian armies, with which the Romans always had trouble.
You will be able to recruit these legions in the east, to help you fight your enemies on the eastern front.



Cohors Praetoriana (Cohort of the Imperial Praetorian Guard)
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New Praetorians can only be trained in their garrisons in Latium, the Empire's heart, where they protect Roma, the seat of the imperial government. The Cohortes Praetoriae are the highest ranked units in the whole imperial army. Their infantry is the core of the Emperor's Guard in Roma and is considered the best in the empire. Praetorians are equipped as, and fight in, the same manner as the normal legionaries, but their look is often somewhat more magnificent. Their lack of experience in actual combat is compensated by excellent, continuous training, and capable officers. High quality equipment has become one of the great strengths of the Roman heavy infantry, besides their strict discipline. The soldiers of the cohortes praetoriae wear coats of lorica hamata, greaves on both legs, imperial Gallic iron helmets and half ovalur scuta for protection. Their weapons, the same as in contemporary legions, are a type mainz gladius, two pila and a short dagger called the pugio.

Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm (Imperial Heavy Auxiliary Infantry Cohort)-Western
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Soldiers for the auxiliary cohorts can be drafted into the army in all provinces of the Imperium Romanum. Auxiliary infantry is a cheaper supplement of the legionary troops and a good way to better participate the provinces at the huge burdens of the empire to defend it's people. The soldiers of most of these cohorts fight as heavy spearmen in close formation similar to the legionary infantry, but without the tactical flexibility offered by their larger scutum and the pilum. However other than the pilum the hasta, commonly used by the auxiliaries, is a true thrusting spear and as such a better defence against cavalry attacks. Other than the hasta they are equipped with the gladius, long flat mostly oval shields and well protected by shirts of lorica hamata (chain mail) and old style bronze montefortino helmets, often out phased from the legions.

Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm (Imperial Heavy Auxiliary Infantry Cohort)-Eastern
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Soldiers for the auxiliary cohorts can be drafted into the army in all provinces of the Imperium Romanum.Auxiliary infantry is a cheaper supplement of the legionary troops and a good way to better participate the provinces at the huge burdens of the empire to defend it's people. The soldiers of most of these cohorts fight as heavy spearmen in close formation similar to the legionary infantry, but without the tactical flexibility offered by their larger scutum and the pilum. However other than the pilum the hasta, commonly used by the auxiliaries, is a true thrusting spear and as such a better defence against cavalry attacks. Other than the hasta they are equipped with the gladius, long flat mostly oval shields and old style bronze montefortino helmets, often out phased from the legions. Greek and Asian soldiers in the east are much less influenced in their appearance by western roman culture than their European comrades. Although used in Europe, the lorica squamata (scale mail) armour is more widely in use among the eastern troops and offers a better protection against arrows than chain mail shirts.

Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm (Imperial Eastern Archer Auxilia)
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Specialised archer units for the imperial army can be enrolled in all provinces in which skilled bowyers and a population familiar with the traditions of archery can be found. These are mainly in Asia and the fringes of the steppes. Archers now have become an integral part of any well composed roman army. Normally they are placed behind a wall of protective heavy infantry in the battle formation. From there they can provide a supporting barrage fire above the infantry's heads to weaken the enemy and break his charge before the main lines engage. The imperial army's archers are more heavily armoured than their counterparts, with shirts of lorica squamata or hamata (scale or chain mail), conical iron or bronze helmets and small shields protecting their left arm. They use long ranged recurved composite bows with bone ends and bracers to protect their forearms from the sinew, together with multiple types of arrows: three bladed heads to inflict heavy wounds at un armoured targets, thin needle like, pyramidal shaped armour piercing heads and flaming arrows, carrying an ignition load in a kind of small metal cage incorporated into the arrowhead. Additionally the archers are armed with a gladius for self defence, but despite this and their armour it should not be expected that they fight well at close quarters for any longer time.

Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm (Imperial Heavy Auxiliary Infantry Cohort) - universal
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Over time more and more Roman Auxiliari troops began using simmilar equipment of the standard legions, since it was clear that the Roman soldier was universal in it's skills. Carrying a large shield and being well armoured, this units will represent a large portion of Roman Imperial armies. While they are not as skilled as the Legionaires, they are cheaper to recruit and in greater numbers. They will outfight most of the levy units that Romans will face, so they will make an excellent all round unit.

Cohors Auxiliarium Batavorum (Batavian Auxilia)

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The Batavians were one of the fiercest tribes the Romans encountered. That's why they used them in their armies in larger numbers. Those numbers became so large overtime, that they sparked the famous Batavian revolt.
This man are one of the best Auxiliary troops available to any Roman commander and it would be wise for Roman generals to use them when they can. These men are very well trained and hardened soldiers, so their use will be mandatory at the Roman northern border.

Eqvites Praetoriani (Cavalry of the Imperial Praetorian Guard)
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New Praetorians can only be trained in their garrisons in Latium, the Empire's heart, where they protect Roma, the seat of the imperial government.The Cohortes Praetoriae are the highest ranked units in the whole imperial army. The equites praetoriani are their attached cavalry arm. They are equipped and fight in the same way as normal units of the auxilia. Their riders wear scale or chain mail shirts, iron helmets and long hexagonal shields for protection, while everyone is armed with a either type Mainz gladius or Celtic style long sword, ancestors of the spatha, the first real roman cavalry sword, a hasta lance and several iacula, light javelins. Like most of the roman cavalry units they use the famous four horned saddle, which enables a firm seat in almost all occasions. In the field the equites praetoriani often proved to be an efficient force. Their lack of experience in actual combat is largely compensated by excellent continuous training and capable officers.

Ala Imperatoria (Imperial Cavalry Wing)
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New auxiliary cavalry wings can now be formed in all provinces of the Imperium Romanum, where the local population is practicing horse breeding and riding in a degree to support such a move. The alae of the auxilia are the imperial army's first rate cavalry units. Their riders wear lorica hamata (chain mail) or lorica squamata (scale) armour, iron or bronze helmets and large hexagonal or oval shields for protection, while everyone is armed with a sword, a hasta lance and several iacula, light javelins. The helmets they wear are still from the same type as the legionary infantry's gear, either variants of the Coolus bronze or iron imperial Gallic helmets, and less than optimal for cavalry warfare. Especially the large neck guards can be disastrous if the riders falls from his horse. In a few decades, in the first half of the 1st century AD they will be replaced with true cavalry helmets. Narrowly Enclosing nearly the whole head, except the face, they will offer good protection against attacks from all sides in a prolonged cavalry melee. Their swords are either type Mainz gladii or Celtic long swords, ancestors of the spatha, the first real roman cavalry sword. Introduced around the midst of the 1st century AD the fine and well balanced spatha will become the main sword of the cavalry for the remaining centuries of the empire's existence and even replace the gladius as primary infantry weapon in the late roman army. With its two-sided narrow blade the spatha is considerably longer than the gladius and much better suited for the use from horseback. The use of the one handed hasta lance as primary weapon allows the horsemen to handle large shields with their left hand. The hasta's compactness allows it to use the weapon mainly overhand, to stab from above at the enemy besides rarer attacks in the conventional way and even to throw in emergency situations. Like most of the imperial army's cavalry, they use the famous four horned saddle, which enables a firm seat in almost all occasions. The training of the alae is excellent and extensive, their equipment makes them multifunctional. They can weaken enemy formations with javelin showers and than attack with their lances in the very next moment. However this versatility has its price. Their horsemen are comparably lighter armoured than the former Hellenistic cavalry or even the heavy cataphractarii of the east and the hasta is shorter than many of the cavalry lances used by our enemies. The alae should only be used with care against such opponents.

Eqvites Singvlares (Picked General's Guard Cavalry)
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Equites Singulares are provincial horse guards formed with the best horsemen a regional army has to offer and accompany their commanders into battle. These units are mostly equipped and fight in the manner as normal Roman cavalry. However sometimes better or additional armour, such as greaves, is worn, that is most times even more highly elaborated than in the ordinary Alae. Besides their body armour the horsemen of the equites singulares, wear iron helmets and long oval or hexagonal shields for protection, while every rider is armed with a either type Mainz gladius or Celtic style long sword, ancestors of the spatha, the first real roman cavalry sword, a hasta lance and several iacula, light javelins. Like most of the imperial army's cavalry, they use the famous four horned saddle, which enables a firm seat in almost all occasions. In battle the equites singulares often proved to be one of the most powerful units. When a capable general leads them personally they can turn the fight in critical moments.


Afterword

A few things that i can now reveal about the Roman faction.

1) Late Principate Reforms

The Romans in EBNOM will get a third reform, which will happen around the year 100 AD, give or take a few years depending on where your campaign will be headed, if certain criteria will be met. This way there will always be new things to look forward to in the Romani campaign.
Here's a little taste of what you might see
Cohors Imperatoria Danuviorum (Danubian Roman Imperial Cohorts)
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One of the predominant battlefields for the Roman Empire was on it's border on the river Danube. Due to the constant fighting these men were one of the best in the Empire. They were very heavily armoured with the Lorica Segmentata armour, so they were less vulnerable to the falxes of the Dacians, against which the standard armour was less effective.
You will be able to recruit these legions in the areas around the Danube, to help you fight with the Barbarian invasion there.
Equites cataphractarii (Roman cataphracts)
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2) Roman Rebels

Given the fact that Civil wars were very "popular" in Rome during our timeframe, we have decided that Rome will have it's own rebel faction in EBNOM. Like the Romans, you won't be able now to concentrate on your outer wars without carefully looking at what's happening close to you power centers. There will probably be some civil wars that will be harder to win then the war against the fiercest outer enemy... Heck, perhaps even some gladiators might think that they can revolt this days, who knows :tongue:


I hope you enjoyed the preview... I'll post some more units in the near future, like our African Equites and such, which i don't have access to right now since they are still wip, and of course we'll gladly answer any questions you might have. Like i said, this isn't the complete Roman roster, you'll be in for some more surprises in the future. I just wanted to show you our progress so far.

Special thanks to Finn for making the units and of course everybody who chiped in.

[Skullheadhq]

Lorica Segmentata? Heresy!

[fomalhaut]

Lorica Segmentata looks like chump change against those absolutely beautiful Eastern Cohors



what i'm saying is great freakin' job guys, keep it up

[anubis88]

Thanks guys; a few screens for your enjoment

The fight of Sertorius

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An unfamiliar Enemy

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The Dacian campaigns

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[Arjos]

Very nice work guys ^^
This actually made me like Rome, and that's.. that's a lot for me :D

Sertorius is such an interesting figure, love that bodyguard unit!
Awesome to read about the new reform...

[Lazy O]

You include LS. You commit heresy. The lazyman is Dissapoint :stare:

Where is GG2

[anubis88]

LS FTW :D
I would also like to state the obvious :) We could really use some help with the making of the mod. So if you would like to help us out with research, skinning, mapping, scripting, coding..., please let us know :)

[jirisys]

...research, skinning, mapping, scripting, coding...

No modelers? No writers?

~Jirisys ()

[anubis88]

No modelers? No writers?

~Jirisys ()

I did put ... at the end :clown: Which means we need help on everything.

[gamegeek2]

We need modelers more than ANYTHING.

[jirisys]

We need modelers more than ANYTHING.

Too bad I keep my modelling skills for AtB.

Too bad there is no such thing as an exchange of work between our two mods because IamaplagiaristicdevilandwillstealyourmodandmakeitintoaM2TWmodwithouttakinganyofyourworkbecauseI'mtha tdeviousd, also, something about the lack of available modelers in the RTW community, but that's not important.

~Jirisys ()

[Finn MacCumhail]

Too bad I keep my modelling skills for AtB.

Don't you want to practice your modelling skills and improve them on NOM before you start using them on AtB?

Jiri, AtB is for Kingdoms while NOM runs under BI. This to engines need different approach in modeling. So the exchange is not possible technically, as you would't need anything from NOM, coz kingdoms needs models with bigger amount of polys, and vice versa, NOM can not use med2tw level models without relatively big work on their downgrade.

[jirisys]

Don't you want to practice your modelling skills and improve them on NOM before you start using them on AtB?

Jiri, AtB is for Kingdoms while NOM runs under BI. This to engines need different approach in modeling. So the exchange is not possible technically, as you would't need anything from NOM, coz kingdoms needs models with bigger amount of polys, and vice versa, NOM can not use med2tw level models without relatively big work on their downgrade.

I already made high-poly models for kingdoms, I really like that more than the *shudder* RTW low-poly models.

In any case, gamegeek never assigns me anything. So I'm ok.

~Jirisys ()

[Hernan Cortles]

So if this mod almost complete?

[anubis88]

We're about 50% or so; a little more on the factions, a little less on everything alse :) Excpect some news soon if everything will go as planned :)

[MechWarrior]

Bit of a request here.
Please don't use those skins for the Cohors Imperatoria(hamata) and Evocatae.
Use these instead: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?104432

[Fluvius Camillus]

Bit of a request here.
Please don't use those skins for the Cohors Imperatoria(hamata) and Evocatae.
Use these instead: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?104432

I would agree, they fit in much better with the other units.

Of course it's all your say, you have no obligation here.

~Fluvius

[Finn MacCumhail]

Oh, my dear friends, you even don't know how the new units look like.

Also, we wouldn't include those units instead of evocata/imperatora coz they represent different military equipment.

[Cute Wolf]

how many active members of this submod we have now, this is Christmas holiday allready and where's our presence list? :grin:
...

[vartan]

how many active members of this submod we have now, this is Christmas holiday allready and where's our presence list? :grin:
...
You could always check the development forum if you really wanted to know.

[Cute Wolf]

You could always check the development forum if you really wanted to know.

dev forum is... *PEEP PEEP PEEP*

oh? this? by no means dead, just in coma - not much active members now

[fireblade]

Well, this submod surely looks interesting, keep up the good work :2thumbsup:

[Finn MacCumhail]

It is pretty calm here. May be we should play some quiz?

What the pokemon is that?

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[Ca Putt]

A germanic/celtic axeman? Or Psyduck!

[jirisys]

Apparently bald guy with an axe and javelins.

~Jirisys ()

[Finn MacCumhail]

Keep guessing.

And now some new signatures.



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[Populus Romanus]

Apparently bald guy with an axe and javelins.

~Jirisys ()

He's blonde, not bald. Either that or he has some terrible scars on his head.

[Fluvius Camillus]

It is pretty calm here. May be we should play some quiz?

What the pokemon is that?

https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc518/ebnomfinn/modding/renderquiz.jpg

Iberi Velites.

~Fluvius

[gamegeek2]

Right, folks, care to guess who'll be featured in the upcoming preview?

3605

[Shadowwalker]

I place my 2 cents on Armenia. :yes:

[Lazy O]

*flamebait*

Do not make the LS have better stats than LH, instead, make it equal (or slightly inferior) and cheaper .

[Cute Wolf]

*flamebait*

Do not make the LS have better stats than LH, instead, make it equal (or slightly inferior) and cheaper .

why? :P

Impact force-wise or shear force-wise? and remember both type of armour is worn with some padding underneath.

[gamegeek2]

We plan to release the next preview on Friday.

In the meanwhile, here's a Valentine's day present from the ever-awesome Finn MacCumhail:

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[jirisys]

Their faces look weird...

Mommy?

:cry:

~Jirisys (Oh crap, they put a "thanks" mod? All hell will break loose)

[vartan]

Their faces look weird...

Mommy?

:cry:

~Jirisys (Oh crap, they put a "thanks" mod? All hell will break loose)

Banana banana banana banana terracotta banana terrecotta terracotta pie!

[gamegeek2]

Greetings, Europa Barbarorum fans.

Today we of the Novus Ordo Mundi team are very proud to present you:




Hayastan - The Kingdom of Armenia

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--- History ---

Hayastan is the native name of a country known to outsiders as Armenia. Existing today in the form of a nation-state, Armenia has a long, rich history that is still understudied to this day. A quick look at the historiography of Armenia shows just how much more attention is paid to the modern history of Armenia
(and the Caucasus) as compared to ancient Armenia. Much of this, arguably, is likely due to how intertwined and interconnected regional politics and history are in the Caucasus.

One cannot consider Armenia without considering its geography, which has played such a great role in local identity and history. Armenia lies on a plateau
ranging from about 3000 to 7000 feet, with terrain features ranging from plains to valleys to slopes. With limited rainfall, Armenians have historically resorted to irrigation techniques known in the greater Near Eastern region for millennia. Armenia has oftentimes been described as being encompassed by three major lakes: Lake Sevan to the north (modern-day Armenia), Lake Van to the west (modern-day Turkey), and Lake Urmia to the south (modern-day Iran). The
Caucasus mountain range has historically acted as a barrier for Armenia from the nomadic tribes that roamed to the north. Despite this natural defensive feature, the country remained vulnerable to invading armies primarily from the west (Rome) and the east (Persians), although invasions from the south (Assyrians) were also prominent.

Politically, the ancient Kingdom of Armenia acted as a successor to the Caucasian Kingdom of Urartu, which was a 2nd-1st millennium BCE confederation of local tribes referred to as the Nairi. The Indo-European Armenian-speaking people evidently lived in the eastern part of the Hittite Kingdom by the late 2nd
millennium BCE, and rose to political dominance soon after the fall of Urartu in the 6th century BCE. The archaeological piece that links ancient Urartu with
ancient Armenia is the Behistun Inscription, ordered by King Darius of ancient Persia sometime in the 6th or 5th century BCE. In this multi-lingual document, the Old Persian refers to Armina, what in the Babylonian is referred to as Urashtu (Assyrian: Urartu).

The first Armenian royal dynasty was the Yervanduni, ruling as kings of Armenia, a major satrap of the Achaemenid Persian Empire. Armenia was prized for its
many resources, but especially for its prime horse production (particularly warhorses). During the Hellenic period, Armenia enjoyed an influx of Hellenic
traditions, arts, and culture. Pre-Christian Armenia was religiously very much in tune with other Indo-European traditions, particularly the Indo-Iranian
Zoroastrian traditions. With the Hellenic period came religious syncretism, matching Armeno-Iranian gods with Greek gods.

In Europa Barbarorum: Novus Ordu Mundi, we begin in 80 BCE, at the height of not the first, but the second Armenian royal dynasty: the Artaxid dynasty. This
dynasty begins with the story of Artaxias I (Armenian: Artashes), who in 190 BCE was Strategos (Governor) of Armenia under the Seleucids. Claiming to be
descended from the Yervanduni line, Artashes I expands the territories of the Armenian kingdom into Caucasian Iberia, Atropatene (Armenian: Atrpatakan),
Vaspurakan, Taron, and other valleys; this he does following the loss of the Seleucids in 189 BCE at Magnesia against the Romans.

Fast forward to the end of the second century BCE, the Artaxid king Artavazd is defeated by Mithradates II, an Arsacid Parthian king, and is forced to not only
recognize Arsacid overlordship in the region, but to also return the previously conquered valleys in Atropatene along with his son Tigran as hostage.

Tigran, later known as Tigran the Great, comes to power in 95 BCE. He begins action by attacking and consolidating Sophene into his kingdom. Following this
he invades Cappadocia with his new ally: the Pontic King Mithradates Eupator. This will later cause issue with the Romans, who viewed Cappadocia as part of
their sphere of influence. King Tigran proceeded to recapture the “seventy valleys” in and around Atropatene mentioned above, and went beyond this by
capturing regions in northern Mesopotamia and entering the gates of Ecbatana herself. At his height, Tigran ruled through Cilicia, Syria, Phoenicia and Palestine.

Thus he reclaimed from the Arsacids the title, “King of Kings,” an old term of authority first introduced in the region by the Urartians. As a symbol of his
power, Tigran built his new capital of Tigranakert, based on Hellenic city styles, and populated the new city with displaced people from Cilicia and Cappadocia.

The Romans, meanwhile, having successfully defeated the Pontic armies of Mithradates, who by now had fled to Tigran (his son-in-law now), were marching
toward Armenia for battle. The famous Pompey eventually succeeded in defeating the Armenian forces and drew a treaty with Tigran. Among the
conditions of this treaty, Tigran was to return the eastern lands to the Parthians and to retain control of Armenia proper only, while retaining the title “King of
Kings.” Much revered to this day, King Tigran the Great of Armenia is cherished for bringing to Armenian history a golden age of triumph in which a small
kingdom, even if for a short while, arose to become a powerful empire.


--- Haykakan Zork' - The Armenian Army ---

The armies of Hayastan are a blend of Hellenistic, Persian, and traditional Caucasian methods of warfare. Among their ranks can be counted simple hillmen from the mountains of Atûrpatêkan, Azatk' equipped with fine scale and Hellenistic panoply, and the great Nakharark' mounted on the finest of Nisean stock and covered head to toe in iron. A diverse force indeed, the armies of Armenia can be turned to any task, but they are at their strongest in cavalry, particularly the fine heavy horse that serves as the ace in the hole for a proper Zoravar.


--- Infantry ---

While typically of lower stature than their mounted counterparts, infantry are an important component of Armenian armies as their cavalry is neither as elite nor as numerous as that of their eastern neighbors. These are a diverse bunch and can fill most roles, though the Hai army is somewhat lacking in the numerous medium infantry that serve as the spine of a Western force.


Thureophoroi tes Anatoles

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"Thureophoroi of the East" - The once-modern thureos shield proved extremely suitable to the style of warfare the hill-peoples of the Orient had been accustomed to for centuries. The simple agriculture in which rural communities engaged did not produce nearly enough surplus with which to buy armor; hence many tribesmen would head into battle unprotected. A large shield such as a thureos would cover the body from neck to knees, providing a strong defense for even a conscript with little training, and as such proved ideal for warriors from Celtic Gaul to the Caucasus and beyond.

From behind his shield, an Eastern Thureophoros throws several javelins and wields his spear overhand. Unsuited and untrained for formation fighting, these men can nonetheless form a sort of irregular shield wall in order to last longer against superior opponents, but modernized sparabara such as these are more suited to individual fighting. This makes them useful as a cheap unit capable of flexible operations, filling gaps and flanking enemies, fitting considering the fact that these troops are, at their core, irregular hillmen.


Gund-î Paltâ

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Much like their thureos-bearing counterparts, the Gund-î Paltâ are drawn from rural communities that mainly engage in subsistence farming of various kinds. Usually, however, these troops are younger and somewhat less experienced than the Thureophoroi. They fill the role of skirmishers, running out in front of the main lines to pelt javelins at the enemies' ranks, and try to withdraw before they incur any serious damage. Given that they only have a small shield for personal defense, however, this is very likely to happen. As long as you can keep these guys out of melee (especially with cavalry), the Gund-î Paltâ will do their job and wear the enemies' morale down with a hail of javelins and, if need be, serve as meatshields or pincushions.


Shûbân-î Fradâkhshânâ

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Slings are cheap and easy to make; the real investment in a slinger is in a skilled man able to hurl a stone accurately, be it at a wolf or at a man. Fortunately for any ruler looking to raise a unit of inexpensive but skilled missile troops, most rural communities and villages have a few old hands capable of hitting a sheep's ankle at 50 meters' distance, and a fair number of young shepherd-boys able to get the stone flying in the right direction.

Slingers were an important force on ancient battlefields; unlike archers, they were able to make do with what they could find in the local environment, though ideally each man would have a number of well-shaped stones ready to loose in battle. Depending on the skill and strength of the slinger, a sling bullet can kill a man in armour by delivering a devastating blow to the head, dealing blunt force trauma through the helmet. And even if you're not immediately killed, sticks and stones will still break your bones.


Kovkasi Lernayin Netadzik

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In the mountains of the Caucasus and the highlands below the people have lived a long and healthy existence, sustained as they are from the surplus fruits of the fertile valleys and rich mineral seams. But their history has also seen strife, for their mountain kingdoms are highly prized by those of the fertile crescent below. Not only the spear and sling, but also the bow are used by these hardy mountain-men, who protect their land from foreign looking for dominion and even rival kingdoms within the Caucasus region who seek to expand their lands. Lightly equipped, these archers are used to the trying terrain of the Caucasus and their training is more for light skirmishes than heavy battle upon an open field. Yet though they may find themselves fighting outside of home territory on the flat plains of the lands to the south, they should not be underestimated. Their bows are well made, learnt from the steppe nomads beyond the northern mountains and the Persians who conquered them later. They wear little in the way of armour, a leather jerkin over a warm woolen tunic, which offers little in the way of protection. Other than the bow, they carry a short knife, or other such simple melee weapon as they are not trained for and not meant for combat at close-quarters.

Historically the Caucasus region was not well known for its archery, it was the cavalry that they were famous for. However, they undoubtedly used the bow just as they used the sling and javelin. Xenophon was unlucky enough to find himself at the wrong end of worrying tactics of such a people, the Karduchi, who may have been the ancestors of the modern day Kurds, as he and his force battled through the Caucasus highlands to the southern shore of the Black Sea. Xenophon mentions that the bow the Karduchi used was the three cubits long, whilst the arrow was two cubits itself. Xenophon further reports that "When discharging the arrow, they draw the string by getting a purchase with the left foot planted forward on the lower end of the bow. The arrows pierced through shield and cuirass, and the Hellenes, when they got hold of them, used them as javelins, fitting them to their thongs." Powerful weapons indeed.


Tabargân

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The Tabargân are steadfast warriors, aggressive and impetuous in temperament, valued by Iranians, and Hellenes alike for their ferociousness and courage. These hillmen are recruited as irregulars from the mountains of Iran, not least from the Zagros and Elburz ranges, areas that breed toughness and have done so for centuries. Though certainly not as disciplined as Hellenic heavy infantry, nor even comparably attired, They are armed with the Sagaris, or the "Persian pick-axe" (Ironically being Scythian in origin) which they wielded with skill, and a bundle of javelins, they were prepared for guerilla warfare tactics such as ambushes, surprise attacks and particularly fond of broken terrain where disciplined troops accustomed to fighting in formation would fare badly. This is facilitated by their light attire, as they bear no armour and the only true means of protection is a light shield, nimble movement and dauntless impetus, casting themselves into the fray. Distinguished by traditional Iranian highlander garb such as the Kyrbasia cap, baggy trousers, a woolen tunic, boots and a thick sheep-skin jerkin, these tough hillmen could almost be mistaken for shepherds or nomadic herders. However these hardy hillmen are nothing to scoff at, as the pick-axe could puncture helmets, and penetrate bronze and iron armour. The Tabargân were no less skilled with their javelins, in which the usage of javelin-thongs increased the stopping power and accuracy of the javelin, giving it a spin during flight. Using them properly, they will give a good account of themselves. Using them poorly on the other hand may prove suicidal and their dauntless bravery may quickly turn into fragile bravado.

Historically, the northern Iranian highlands are known for their hardy mountaineers who held all transgressors at bay. These men of the mountains were lightly ruled by all Persian Grandees who valued their warrior skills over what meagre income their mountain homes might bring. These men would be recruited from the warlike G�l�n� and Dailam� tribesmen of Verkhânâ (Hyrcania), and other similar peoples of northern Media. The earliest origins of these people are unknown, although the Dailamites could be the descendants of such ancient peoples as the Delumioi mentioned by Ptolemy in 2 AD. Classical historians mention Dailamites, 'Dolomites' or other very similar names repeatedly and their name is particularly mentioned in context with the later Byzantine Varangian Guard. Due to the mingling of migrant tribes with the indigenous residents of the region, several new clans were formed, of which, the two tribes of 'Gill' and 'Daylam' formed a majority. In the 6th century BC, the inhabitants of G�l�n allied with Kuroush (Cyrus) the Great and overthrew the Medes helping to establish the Achaemenid Persian Empire. The Dailamites would later during the Sassanid dynasty form a core of heavy infantry with fine equipment including brightly painted shields and two-pronged javelins, meant to be pitted against the finest Roman infantry. However, that is a long way from the continuously more declining irregular force, the Takâbarâ as they were called by the Achaemenids, and in Parthian history, the Tabargân are merely the residue of the Iranian highlander spirit, not exclusive to the Elburz range but to all areas of Iran where the environment bred toughness.


Nizakamartik

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These troops are armed in more of a traditional Persian style, echoing the Sparabara of times long past. Yet these men are Armenians, through and through, descendents of the Nairi tribes who formed part of Urartu in elder days. Most of them, however, are raised from the folk who dwell in the rich valleys, who proudly guard their fertile land from hillfolk. For their fighting equipment, they wield a long spear and carry a large wicker shield for protection from the various javelins and arrows flying around the field. In battle, once again following the Persian tradition, they form a shield-wall for mutual protection and maintain discipline, the product of basic training. In some ways, one could compare them to the hoplites of times past; but this is very generous, and these men will still give way to better armed and better disciplined Greeks and Romans any day of the week. Despite this, a Hai commander would do best to make effective use of these troops until he can muster the resources to replace them with superior armoured professionals.


Falangi Hetevazor

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The military reforms of Tigran Metz included the introduction of heavy infantry to the Armenian army, as part of something of a Hellenization effort designed to make the infantry more effective. Hellenistic military equipment, however, was far from universally adopted in the Hai armies and this can be seen in the heavy infantry that resulted from these reforms. In essence, the Armenian "Phalangites" are a heavy version of the Nizakamartik. Everything about them is bigger, heavier, and more expensive - they wield longer spears, carry reinforced spara shields, and wear heavy scale armor. This makes them a formidable defensive force easily capable of turning aside enemy cavalry and pushing back lighter infantry as well.

Historically, one of the main distinctions between the Parthian and Armenian empires was the presence of a large standing army with numerous infantry. Estimates by Plutarch and Appian put its size at 300,000 men and Josephus mentions an army of 500,000 invading Syria; more reasonable estimates, such as that given by Memnon of Heraclea Pontica, put the size of the Armenian army at 60,000, but this still dwarfed anything most of Hayastan's rivals assembled, save Rome. The majority of this army was composed of non-Armenians, drawn from the lands that had been subjugated by previous kings, and the majority of these were poorly equipped compared with Roman or Hellenistic troops. This left the Armenians reliant on their excellent and numerous cavalry to deal a decisive blow to the enemy. Forces such as these "Phalangites" were created to provide a solid infantry backbone to the army, but they were never particularly numerous.


Iberian Spearmen

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Transcaucasia is linguistically and ethnically one of the most diverse regions in the world, and hence the men in the armies raised from it are a mixed bunch indeed. These spearmen, hailing from Kartli, fight in a manner characteristic of the rugged Caucasian peoples, with javelin, spear, and short sword. For protection, they rely on a traditional shield, a Chalkidian helmet, their gods, and their own skill. These men function as a hardy and versatile light infantry unit, useful for combat with comparable enemies; they possess exceptional stamina and high morale, but this will not let them overcome well armored infantrymen if they engage in frontal combat. Properly used, though, these men are a valuable part of any army they are a part of.

Historically, life in the Caucasus Mountains bred a fierce people and the men of the Kartveli tribes - born of the loins of Kartlos, the great hero of old - were no exception. For centuries the Kartveli had warred amongst the competing tribes of the Caucasus and their rugged lifestyle, and the equal toughness of the terrain they inhabited, gradually honed them into a truly hardy people, well disposed to combat and harsh conditions. After being brought together beneath the dynasty of the Pharnavazian kings and they posed an increased threat to the neighbouring tribes and kingdoms of that region, particularly Hayasdan, their long standing enemy. Beneath the Pharnavazian dynasty Iberia survived as an independent kingdom until 93 BCE, when Arshak, a prince of Hayasdan, overthrew Pharnajom and established his own dynasty. Pharnajom’s son would a later take back his father’s throne in 32 BCE and the second Pharnavazian dynasty lasted well into the Common Era.


Kartveli Dashnit Meombrebi

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These Kartveli Dashnit Meombrebi are fierce professional soldiers of the tribes who were born of Kartlos, the great hero of the Kartveli (Georgians). They are armed with javelins, a versatile and widely used weapon, a short sword and a Thureos shield, made popular in the Anatolia region with the coming of the Galatians. As true warriors they understand the need for protection and wear a studded-leather coat over a thick woollen tunic. Highly trained and experienced, these men are shock troops of the highest calibre; fierce and brave they are best used to break the enemy formation from the flanks or rear as their charge is fearsome. However, do not underestimate their ability to hold rank and withstand a charge themselves; truly these Kartveli Dashnit Meombrebi are versatile fighters.

Historically, life in the Caucasus Mountains bred a fierce people and the men of the Kartveli tribes - born of the loins of Kartlos, the great hero of old - were no exception. For centuries the Kartveli had warred amongst the competing tribes of the Caucasus and their rugged lifestyle, and the equal toughness of the terrain they inhabited, gradually honed them into a truly hardy people, well disposed to combat and harsh conditions. After being brought together beneath the dynasty of the Pharnavazian kings and they posed an increased threat to the neighbouring tribes and kingdoms of that region, particularly Hayasdan, their long standing enemy. Beneath the Pharnavazian dynasty Iberia survived as an independent kingdom until 93 BCE, when Arshak, a prince of Hayasdan, overthrew Pharnajom and established his own dynasty. Pharnajom’s son would a later take back his father’s throne in 32 BCE and the second Pharnavazian dynasty lasted well into the Common Era.


T'uramartik

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One of many units seemingly 'armed in the Roman fashion' to the eyes of Western witnesses, the Sooseramartik' are a skilled unit of noble swordsmen. In a fashion long established since the Galatian invasion of the early 3rd century BC, these men carry a bronze-coated thureos for protection as well as several javelins and a sword. For armor though, these nobles turn to fine scale corselets and bronze conical helmets in yet another long-established tradition. Protected by their fine panoply, these men advance and throw their javelins into enemy formations before closing with swords for close combat.

Historically, swordsmen such as these were drawn from the somewhat numerous Azatk', the lower nobility of Armenia. Unlike the great landlords, the nakharark', the Azats did not have the funds for Nisean chargers and cataphract armor. Instead, they would head into battle as armored horsemen with lance or javelin; or, if they were less well off or disinclined to mounted combat, as armored swordsmen. The equipment they used was rather similar to that used by the Romans and while their fighting style probably originated independently, the states of the East increasingly turned to the Roman model for infantry tactics and equipment. That said, the Azat classes were not numerous enough to field a large force of such men, leaving the Armenian army reliant on its heavy cavalry to deal a powerful blow to the enemy.


--- Cavalry ---

The Hai army's strength was historically in its cavalry. Comparable in numbers to the cavalry armies fielded by the Parthians, the cavalry encompassed both light skirmishers and heavy cataphracts. Its core, however, lay in the lower nobility, the azatk', who provided the majority of the Hayastan's horsemen, and the wealther ramik, who provided swift light horsemen.


Nizakahar Ayrudzi

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Among the wealthier classes of Armenian society, the tendency was to go to battle mounted if possible. The Nizakahar Ayrudzi represent the lower cadres among the nobility, as well as a number of wealthier peasants and freemen who owned horses. Though skilled horsemen, they are not particularly well outfitted in comparison with their wealthier compatriots, usually carrying a wicker Taka shield and wearing only light armor, if any, as protection. Their best defense is their mobility, which they use to run circles around their enemies, pelting javelins at them as they dart by and flee before they have a chance to retaliate. If necessary they can close with a spear and engage in close combat with comparably light opponents, and they are very capable of riding down light infantrymen, but are of little use against heavy troops except perhaps as a flanking force.


Ayrudzi Netadzik

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Armenia, despite its rugged geography, is a land of rich meadows and they are able to support cavalry in great numbers. The horse archers of Armenia tend to fire their volleys while motionless but are very capable of the harassing tactics of the steppe nomads. Indeed, some of these men hail from the Scythians enclaves along the Pontic coast or the grasslands of Atropatene. They are expert archers and expert horsemen, being able to shoot a bow accurately from horseback, and they are the masters of the ‘Parthian shot’, being able to shoot backwards at full gallop. They are best used at weakening enemy formations so that the heavy cavalry can finish them off. Almost impossible to destroy and unwilling to come to grips with well ordered infantry these horsemen use marauder tactics to bring down their enemies. Dense formations of infantry are their favoured target.

Historically, they used probably the best weapon for the light horseman, which was the composite horse bow. Plutarch wrote that Armenian archers were deadly from 200 meters with their devastating hail of arrows. These horsemen are not well suited for hand-to-hand combat and best used in their traditional role. If forced into combat they will do poorly against anyone but a broken enemy.


Aspet Hetselazor

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Among the wealthier classes of Armenian society, the tendency was to go to battle mounted if possible. Though there were exceptions, the richest members of the Azat nobility typically rode to battle as lancers equipped in full Hellenistic attire, bearing a round aspis on their left arm and a longche in their right. Essentially these men are the descendants, in both style and lineage, of the Median and Armenian cavalry of old. Essentially, they fill the same roles as their predecessors - charging flanks, fighting comparable enemy cavalry, trampling light troops, running down routing enemies - but these men are much more of a shock-oriented unit. The new Aspet, with lances held in an underhand grip, charge boldly onwards to do their duty and stay in melee against inferior foes with their kopides. Their large aspis shield and good armor make these simple tasks. The trade-off is in mobility and stamina, as these men are neither as nimble in combat as their antecessors nor as suited to pursuit or repeated action.

Historically, Armenia was in something of a Hellenistic renaissance during Tigranes' reign. As with the Parthians, Hellenistic culture was popular among the upper classes, who enjoyed Greek drama and poetry. Tigranes himself spent massive funds in order to make his newly built capital, Tigranakert, into a nexus of Hellenistic culture. This influx of Hellenism was mirrored in the battle attire of the nobility - Hellenistic helmets and shields such as the thureos and aspis became the norm, as did the longche, the shorter, single-hand lance that had become popular with Hellenistic cavalry. In essence, the upper cadre of the Azat nobility became Lonchophoroi, though they were in all likelihood superior to their greek counterparts thanks to their fine Caspian mounts and the excellent cavalry tradition that was the pride of Armenia's army.


Aspet Zrahavor and Zrahavor Netadzik

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Perhaps the most feared soldier type in antiquity was the Cataphract, and any nation that could field a force of cataphracts was one to be reckoned with. Originating from Transoxiana, where Hellenistic metallurgy and Alexandros' heavy xyston-wielding horsemen met the cavalry tradition of Eastern Iranian tribes, the cataphract evolved over two centuries into one of the heaviest troopers the world has ever seen. They were superbly equipped and armoured, with a conical helm and attached aventail protecting the head and neck; a corselet of iron scale armour protecting the torso; laminated guards encasing the shoulders and arms; and similar defenses shielding the legs. For weapons, they wielded a bow, a massive, two-handed lance nicknamed the "kontos" by the Greeks and carried a sword or a mace.

Though it may be tempting to refer to them as 'tanks,' this is somewhat misleading. Cataphracts were often as much hindered by their armor as helped by it, thanks to its massive weight; unhorsed cataphracts were extremely vulnerable to enemies and they had difficulty fleeing if the situation became unfavorable. Such was the fate of many of the Seleucid cataphracts at Magnesia, whom Livy says were caught and killed after they were caught unawares and routed by a Roman charge. In addition, the armor limited their utility in close combat, as it quickly fatigued the wearer. The real strength of the cataphract, thus, was in the devastating impact of the charge, aided by the great momentum of the horse, rider, and heavy lance. Well-disciplined infantry would be able to withstand such an onslaught from the front, but lesser enemies would be routed on contact or run before getting impaled or trampled. Any charge by these men on the flank or rear of an enemy produced a quick rout, as demonstrated by the Seleucids at Panion in 200 BC.

Historically, Armenian cataphracts were recruited from the Nakharark', the great landlords. The term nakharar originates from the Parthian 'naxvadar,' a term meaning 'holder of the primacy' and refers to the highest class of nobility in Hai society, similar to the great clan-leaders who dominated Parthian society. Logically, the wealthiest men in society headed into battle in the finest equipment available, and would often bring a large retinue of lighter horsemen with them as a sign of his wealth, for personal protection, and to serve the king. Hence, the cataphract was always accompanied by a larger number of light horsemen, with whom he was used tactically; the horse-archers and javelin cavalry would be used for harassment and weakening the enemy and the cataphracts would charge in for the kill when the moment was right.

Such tactics were used by Tigran and the Armenian cavalry against the Romans, though the Parthians were most famous for them. Sallustius Crispus wrote that in the Armenian army in particular the regiments of horsemen were 'remarkable by the beauty of their horses and armor'. Xenophon mentions the finely bred Armenian horse which he says was smaller than the Persian type. This seems to describe the horse now referred to as the 'Caspian' horse which has been recently recognized in Iran as an ancient breed. Although, only about 12 hands in height, when compared with the images of early Persian horses, it has the same small ears, prominent forehead and cheekbones and large nostrils.


Aspet Zrahavor (Late)

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The innovations of later armorers served only to make the cataphract an even fiercer weapon than before. Protected by a veil of iron chain, among other things, the late Nakharar cavalry are a fearsome force indeed.

[Shadowwalker]

Splendid work! :2thumbsup:
Looking forward to play Hayasdan in NOM, seems like it will be great fun.

(And good to see I was right with my earlier assumption... :laugh4: )

One question - will Tigranakert be present on the campaign map?
(Seems there is no map preview yet - either that or I am blind .... )

[gamegeek2]

Yes, it was only founded 2 years after the campaign's start so we thought it would be acceptable to have it as Hayastan's capital at the start of the game.

[Shadowwalker]

Yay!
Good news indeed.
Now I'm extremely curious about the other changes to the map you decided to make - hope to see a preview one day (hint hint :laugh4:).

And thanks for the immediate reply. :2thumbsup:

[Blxz]

Very happy I saw this. I must say that your work is incredible. Looking forward to this mod so very much. Keep up the excellent work.

[anubis88]

An announcment here as well:

We have a new subforum for EBNOM, check it out!

[anubis88]

A new preview is coming soon as well. It's crazy how great the new units Finn made look. They easily beat most MTW2 skins in detail.

[jirisys]

They easily beat most MTW2 skins in detail.

Are you willing to testify that that is; in fact, true, in a court of law?

~Jirisys ()

[anubis88]

Well i may be a bit biased, but they certainly look better than some mtw vannila units

[Shadowwalker]

Since MII:TW's units were .... ugly *ducks* :laugh4: ... I won't doubt your words.
Now if you'd state Finn's units look better than the EB Iberian Assault Infantry or the Late Baktrian Hetairoi for example ... well, in that case I'd like to see a proof. ;-)

Anyway - looking forward to news from the NOM team. :yes:

[Moros]

Lets not bash CA, nor anyone else for that matter, okay?

[anubis88]

Lets not bash CA, nor anyone else for that matter, okay?

Look at him. Already drunk with power :clown:

But i agree, sort of. MTW2 had some nice ones 2... But people that moded the game showed CA how units should and could be made.

[jirisys]

90% Hoegaarden, 10% Power actually.

Now you are discretely complimenting EB. Smart move.

~Jirisys ()

[Moros]

90% Hoegaarden, 10% Power actually.

Now you are discretely complimenting EB. Smart move.

~Jirisys ()
Sadly only stella today.

[Blxz]

Is hoegaarden Belgian? I have been enjoying massive 1.5 litre sized glass down at my local 'irish' pub for a while now.

(Although I live in Japan so its basically a Japanese pub that has non japanese beers, that's their definition of 'Irish')

[d'Arthez]

Hoegaarden is Belgian. Or Irish, if you have to believe your hosts Blxz.

[gamegeek2]

http://www.facebook.com/EBNOM

Like, comment, talk about the mod, everything!

[Cute Wolf]

http://www.facebook.com/EBNOM

Like, comment, talk about the mod, everything!

only 11 likes? :(

[Bob Doad]

only 11 likes? :(

now im going to have to create a FB to like this :wall:

[d'Arthez]

FB Likes - the bane of those who can't be bothered with FB, and I suspect a fair number of EB fans and fans of EB-based mods can't be bothered either.

[Ca Putt]

Do say, is EBNOM actually being worked on in silence or is it just dead? Would be a pitty.

[gamegeek2]

Do say, is EBNOM actually being worked on in silence or is it just dead? Would be a pitty.

Until I get an awful lot more free time and Finn is available, the project is suspended. I also need to reconstruct the stat system since I lost the various papers it was based on (I am not smart enough to be able to code it into Excel).

[kdrakak]

I for one thought this to be a very interesting project and will definitely try it when it is ready. I am sure it will be worth the wait.

[DaReaperZ]

Can I ask... is Europa Barbarorum (1) still "stagnant"? I would really like to see other tribes being added :)

[b0Gia]

Ok guys, last news: the mod restarted for second time from me this time. I will try to create a small team in order to make a release in the end.

[Saloth Sar]

Here is EB sub-mod with Campaign starting in 172 BC

[Saloth Sar]

Suggestion by Fluvius Camillus
Start Date: 171BC

101 years after the EB start.
The map: Very WIP; some mistakes have been spoted, i'll wait for Fluvius to update the map and give the new one
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Important men:
Perseus I of Macedonia (41 years old)
Antiochos IV Epiphanes (44 years old)
Ptolemaios VI Philometor (no regency yet, 15 years young, darn it).
Mithridates I of Parthia (approx 24 years old)
Marcus Porcius Cato Maior (63 years old)

Important upcoming historical events:
3rd Macedonian war
6th Syrian war
Parthia vs Baktria and a lot more expansion by Parthia

Suggested factions:
SenatusPopulesqueRomanus
Qarthadastim
Arche Seleukeia (under Antiochos IV Epiphanes)
Ptolemaioi (under Ptolemaios VI Philometor)
Antigonid Makedonia (under Perseus I of Macedon)
Arsacid Empire (under Mithridates I of Parthia)
Pontos (under Pharnaces I)
Pergamene Kingdom (under Eumenes II)
Baktria (under Eucratides I)

Roman Rebels (some time later, the first Slave revolt comes).

Here we can use a lot of units from EB I.

This 2 ideas were dropped ... look at the post above

New factions, units from EBNOM and many other changes. Welcome https://cloud.mail.ru/public/FFiA/dGbQmrKpJ