Haiku Mafia [Concluded]

[Secura]

Hard to remember?
click the link and find this post
"Secure" thinks two scums.

That post refers to
A previous one than the
One you think it is:


False logic, Niklas
Thermal could be scum always.
You're protecting him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That post refers to
A previous one than the
One you think it is:

Okay, Secura
I see some thread evidence
You were also fooled.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No comment from "A"
Regarding two scums or one
All game that I see.

[Secura]

Okay, Secura
I see some thread evidence
You were also fooled.

Fast pace of the thread,
Secura was hindered by
Syntax! Darn haiku!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mercury dribbles
Pooling on a cold stone floor
Poison stops the heart

As you are all online, and because I need to keep to my schedule, orders are due in three hours.

Wait... here the game host
gives it all away. Look, look....
Market's inactive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Market returns
Then the game is in question
If not: Secura

[Renata]

Two mafia was
Some part of my reasoning
Against Pizza Guy --

[Renata]

It seems only fair
To say. Don't forget the rest.
But start again, town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Two mafia was
Some part of my reasoning
Against Pizza Guy --

We're all a bunch of
"Winners" this game. But logic
Can spare us defeat.

[Subotan]

Wait... here the game host
gives it all away. Look, look....
Market's inactive.
I have IRL communications with AVSM :bow:

[Secura]

The game has been fun;
I gave it my best shot, alas...
...I am a failure.

[Secura]

The game has been fun;
I gave it my best shot, alas...
...I am a failure.

I failed to read
Things properly and now the
Town may lose this one.

[Secura]

I failed to read
Things properly and now the
Town may lose this one.

Ha, such is the curse
That plagues Secura these days;
Should quit while ahead.

[Secura]

Ha, such is the curse
That plagues Secura these days;
Should quit while ahead.

Chinese Zodiac,
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too,
And the Shadow Fort.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who's the mafia,
Secura? What are your thoughts?
I suspect you some.

[Secura]

Chinese Zodiac,
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame too,
And the Shadow Fort.

Alas, will is sapped.
Enthusiasm is gone.
Secura is done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I suspect "A" some.
So I have to ask you to
Make a final choice.

[Secura]

Alas, will is sapped.
Enthusiasm is gone.
Secura is done.

Procrastination
Perhaps, or just quit outright?
There are many choices.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No.... Pizzaguy says
Secura seems clean to him.
Well done, Marketplace.

[Secura]

Procrastination
Perhaps, or just quit outright?
There are many choices.

Town or mafia,
The result is just the same;
Secura loses out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I shall be voting
For AVSM next round.
No lurker vick-tree.

[Secura]

Town or mafia,
The result is just the same;
Secura loses out.

Ultimately though;
The Gameroom is like a home
Away from home, Sec.

[Secura]

Ultimately though;
The Gameroom is like a home
Away from home, Sec.

Talking in haiku
Is immensely tiresome;
I am done at last.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas, you're quiet.
Surely you have opinion...
Secura/Market?

[Secura]

Market will pass away,
Secura will be undone;
Defeat, imminent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Market will pass away,
Secura will be undone;
Defeat, imminent.

Get ahold of self
Need your vote if wind up dead.
Cheer up, just a game.

[Niklas]

I share your thoughts here,
Market seems the odd one out,
unless it's still you. ~;)

[Secura]

Get ahold of self
Need your vote if wind up dead.
Cheer up, just a game.

You know I am right;
If Market dies overnight
Secura is done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I share your thoughts here,
Market seems the odd one out,
unless it's still you. ~;)

Niklas is townie!
Here's proof: Life on line all game
Never say: "one scum".

[Secura]

Get ahold of self
Need your vote if wind up dead.
Cheer up, just a game.

One cannot "cheer up";
Melancholy is the bane
Of me currently.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas didn't know!
He would have said something once
About flawed logic.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas can't be scum.
He would have smashed my whole case
Because he knew flaw.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mafia is one
Of Secura or Market
I pick the Super.

[Secura]

And now you see it;
Events of the night will tell
All; the charade ends.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Secura's scum
Again I ask, why change to
Thermal Mercury?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tells me she tried to
Not be led around and pick
A scum, as townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Secura's scum
She can just leave her vote on
Niklas, like a turd.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Skate to victory!
No need to switch vote at all.
AVSM skates.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe Pizzaguy
Redeems self with this logic
Forgive me townies.

[Subotan]

Head rests on pillow
But where has the body gone?
A Market has split

It is now the day phase. This Phase ends in 24 Hours

[Askthepizzaguy]

Egg on face again.
Someone likes play games with me.
Let's see how they vote.

[Secura]

Egg on face again.
Someone likes play games with me.
Let's see how they vote.

Ah, but I did say!
A shift in the game and Sec
Bears the ire of town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, but I did say!
A shift in the game and Sec
Bears the ire of town.

The question is why
And how you know this? Something
You know of Niklas?

[Secura]

The question is why
And how you know this? Something
You know of Niklas?

Just one mafia
Makes Secura look foolish;
Stood out like sore thumb.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why AVSM...
Strangest murder ever seen.
Who would fear his vote?

[Secura]

Fear? No, no, no, no...
A strong three left to argue
In five, seven, five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why does Niklas go
Off and disappear at dawn?
Was here all night long.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Went invisi on
Instant messengers, but not
On .org till later....

[Secura]

To prolong anguish,
Or to sleep? Either way, this
Will be over soon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To prolong anguish,
Or to sleep? Either way, this
Will be over soon.

Two things I don't like
* You aren't picking a suspect
* Depression pretense.

[Secura]

Two things I don't like
* You aren't picking a suspect
* Depression pretense.

Two answers for you:
~ I am the prime suspect, friend
~ It's not a pretense

[Secura]

Two answers for you:
~ I am the prime suspect, friend
~ It's not a pretense.

My choice is Niklas
But the futility of
This is clear to me

vote: Niklas

[Askthepizzaguy]

Two answers for you:
~ I am the prime suspect, friend
~ Not a pretense.

Am I not suspect?
Why am I not, Secura?
And why not Niklas?

[Askthepizzaguy]

My choice is Niklas
But the futility of
This is clear to me

vote: Niklas

What is so futile?
I might have voted him, I'm
Confused by kill choice.

[Secura]

Am I not suspect?
Why am I not, Secura?
And why not Niklas?

Secura/Market;
The latter dead, Secura,
Number One suspect.

[Secura]

Secura/Market;
The latter dead, Secura,
Number One suspect.

Pizza's words, not mine;
Niklas and Pizza call town,
Ergo, Sec is scum?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Secura/Market;
The latter dead, Secura,
Number One suspect.

So why did Niklas
Not kill me, then? Leaves other
Two suspects alive.

[Secura]

So why did Niklas
Not kill me, then? Leaves other
Two suspects alive.

Then the location
Of your vote is assured, no?
Vote for Secura.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whichever. You tried.
You played one heck of a game.
Fooled me good if scum.

Vote: Niklas

[Askthepizzaguy]

At this point, honest
I haven't a blasted clue
Nik, I, deserve loss.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas disappears
Right at the end of night phase
Doesn't seem normal

[Secura]

Niklas disappears
Right at the end of night phase
Doesn't seem normal

Europe; very late.
Niklas has a sleepy head
In the Land of Nod.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Europe; very late.
Niklas has a sleepy head
In the Land of Nod.

So he stays awake
Just long enough to murder
But not to cast vote?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Phase minutes apart.
Up long enough to see kill
No vote or comment?

[Niklas]

Too tired to think
at that time in the morning
1 AM means sleep.

[Niklas]

I came here assured
that I would vote Secura
after her "reveal".

[Niklas]

Yet I find myself
once more under scrutiny,
for going to bed?

[Niklas]

Now I'm not so sure,
why would someone kill Market,
just doesn't make sense.

[Niklas]

If Pizza was scum,
he would have killed Secura,
since he knew my thoughts.

[Niklas]

If Secura was,
who she'd kill is not as clear,
hence my suspicion.

[Niklas]

My head is a mess,
I will likely look the fool,
but vote: Secura.

[Niklas]

Pizza, if I'm wrong
then I'll gladly salute you,
you'll have played me good.

[Thermal]

This is a finale I don't want to miss. ~:popcorn:

: I demand a popcorn emote and I demand it now! :

[Methos]

This is a finale I don't want to miss. ~:popcorn:

: I demand a popcorn emote and I demand it now! :

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, if I'm wrong
then I'll gladly salute you,
you'll have played me good.

Niklas if I'm wrong
Then we deserve to lose big
We both epic failed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Niklas, if I'm right
Then I can be proud, was right
About you all game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Riddle me this, Nik:
Why should I change my vote now?
I have no idea.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm pretty decided.
Secura played a great game.
You thought I was scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought you were scum.
If I let you go now, then
I'd look like a fool.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're a scumbag
I'd never live it down if
I let you go free.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Secura's scum
Then she totally beat me
And my scum radar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm supposedly
A good scumbag analyst
And I've failed big here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tell me how, Niklas
I can lose to you here and
still save face and pride.

[Secura]

You ask these questions
To which you already know
The answer, my friend.

[Secura]

Just go with the best
Option, you cannot do more
Than that, Pizza Guy.

[Secura]

You win or you lose,
The game has been really fun.
That is what matters.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You ask these questions
To which you already know
The answer, my friend.

Gah and frustration
Seems you're intentionally
Pushing my buttons.

:brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

All you had to do
Is remain quiet and win.
You act too scummy.

:wall:

unvote, vote: Secura

[Niklas]

Nothing more to say --
if Pizza is not mafia,
he will be disgraced.

[Secura]

Gah and frustration
Seems you're intentionally
Pushing my buttons.

Why so serious?
The answer is on a plate;
You lynch Secura.

[Niklas]

Crosspost with Pizza --
I am glad you see the light,
now to hope you're town...

[Secura]

All you had to do
Is remain quiet and win.
You act too scummy.

:wall:

unvote, vote: Secura

You do not get it,
I never wanted to win
Hence all the hints... friend.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You do not get it,
I never wanted to win
Hence all the hints... friend.

It is a poor sport
Who does not give her all to
try to win a game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And so I call this
A draw, because the scumbag
Does not want to win.

:shakehands:

[Secura]

You do not get it,
I never wanted to win
Hence all the hints... friend.

I could not be as
Obvious, cos following
The five, seven, five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I cannot accept
A victory from a scum
Who does not try hard.

[Secura]

It is a poor sport
Who does not give her all to
try to win a game.

Then poor sport, I am,
I was undone from the start;
PM - Mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So I resign here
The game is over, default
for poor sportsmanship.

[Secura]

I cannot accept
A victory from a scum
Who does not try hard.

Why the need to try?
I was undone by the death
of Super Market.

[Niklas]

I can but agree
with Askthepizzaguy here,
ain't fun winning now. ~:(

[Secura]

Your reasoning, clear;
You pointed to me as scum...
why so serious?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why the need to try?
I was undone by the death
of Super Market.

Market's death, your choice.
You could have killed Pizzaguy
Or Niklas instead.


Anyways. I am done playing this game for obvious reasons. I salute Secura for sneaking under my radar and apologize to Niklas for thinking wrongly of him all game, and am greatly embarrassed by my own play here. Had there been two scums, this might have been an heroic effort, and the logic did make sense. The two scums would have voted together, and they would have voted me dead if given the choice. It was my own failure for not reading the rules.

Such a shame to give it all to a game, put it all on the line, and be beaten by one who isn't trying. :shame:

[Niklas]

I still can't believe how you expected me to ever switch to TM, Pizza. What could possibly have been the point of doing so, if I were innocent? Please enlighten me of your thinking there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still can't believe how you expected me to ever switch to TM, Pizza. What could possibly have been the point of doing so, if I were innocent? Please enlighten me of your thinking there.

If you were guilty was the point. Your resistance to voting TM, if he were your partner, may have been indicative of such.

But it doesn't play out that way because there was only 1 mafia. I realize now why you couldn't fathom my move. I had you and Merc pegged as the 2 scums, so.... if you vote your partner, that's like an instant loss. No mafia really wants to do that, because then it proves that there was either only 1 mafia all along, or I was right on Thermal.

Any scum would be resistant to the move. And you were, so.... confirmation bias, plus misinformation, plus the fact that you and Merc were both sure I was scum and you weren't paying attention to anyone else, and I would never have acted so aggressive and burned so many bridges as mafia. I might have needed your vote in a future round as mafia. Making two out of the other 4 players hate my guts is NOT a mafia move.

[Niklas]

That's not what I was saying though. Your whole reasoning was based on a tautology: I wouldn't vote Thermal because I was mafia, and I was mafia because I wouldn't vote Thermal. There is no way an innocent would have made that vote either, so I don't see why me refusing it made me any more suspicious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's not what I was saying though. Your whole reasoning was based on a tautology: I wouldn't vote Thermal because I was mafia, and I was mafia because I wouldn't vote Thermal. There is no way an innocent would have made that vote either, so I don't see why me refusing it made me any more suspicious.

Well.... an innocent would realize that any vote is potentially better than lynching oneself. The odds sort of force the move, since you couldn't possibly know Thermal was innocent.

That makes it the valid and pretty much forced move for a townie. In my view.

[Niklas]

Well.... an innocent would realize that any vote is potentially better than lynching oneself. The odds sort of force the move, since you couldn't possibly know Thermal was innocent.

That makes it the valid and pretty much forced move for a townie. In my view.

That's exactly why I voted Market. But there was no way I would vote Thermal, since him not voting for me meant I was sure he was innocent. And since I thought there were two mafia, lynching an innocent would mean loss. Didn't really matter if that innocent was me or Thermal. But I tried to explain that to you, that voting Market would have exactly the same outcome from your point of view, but vastly different from mine. You just didn't see it though.

[Secura]

At that point it seemed as though neither of you considered the possibility of me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's exactly why I voted Market. But there was no way I would vote Thermal, since him not voting for me meant I was sure he was innocent.

A fair and correct judgment, but impossible for a townie to know. A mafioso would be dead certain that voting for his ally was suicide there. That certainty when you couldn't have been certain is what made me almost totally convinced you had to be mafia. It is rare that a townie with no information is sure of anything.


And since I thought there were two mafia, lynching an innocent would mean loss. Didn't really matter if that innocent was me or Thermal.

I just wanted to see if you would actually put some distance between you, and you were refusing. In that scenario, all you needed to do if the two of you were mafia was convince any one townie to think me scummy or switch votes. The closeness between you and dead certainty I was mafia when I wasn't made you seem scummy as hell, or simply townies who were going to lose the game and I had no way of convincing you otherwise.


But I tried to explain that to you, that voting Market would have exactly the same outcome from your point of view, but vastly different from mine. You just didn't see it though.

I still don't, frankly. 3 townies must vote as one in a 5 player, 2 mafia setup. Stabbing AVSM in the back was impossible from my perspective.

[Subotan]

Hmm, Kay. In light of that development, posting restrictions are abolished.

This was a game I thought up in a few minutes, so it was not as complex as say, Red Herring Mafia. I felt that two scum was too much, given the restrictions on posting which would aid the scum. However, I brought in a hated townie (I.e. Captain Blackadder), in order to make the end game phase a bit easier. Of course, Blackadder died in the first round, which was both surprising and a little bit gamebreaking. I still think that Secura gave a terrific effort given the circumstances though, and I'm embarrassed that the she evidently wasn't having fun in the final round.

I was not expecting this many haikus, at all. Over 600 posts? That's an amazing number for a mini mafia game. I think we'll all agree that this has been a most interesting experience..

Thanks for playing guys :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm, Kay. In light of that development, posting restrictions are abolished.

This was a game I thought up in a few minutes, so it was not as complex as say, Red Herring Mafia. I felt that two scum was too much, given the restrictions on posting which would aid the scum. However, I brought in a hated townie (I.e. Captain Blackadder), in order to make the end game phase a bit easier. Of course, Blackadder died in the first round, which was both surprising and a little bit gamebreaking. I still think that Secura gave a terrific effort given the circumstances though, and I'm embarrassed that the she evidently wasn't having fun in the final round.

I was not expecting this many haikus, at all. Over 600 posts? That's an amazing number for a mini mafia game. I think we'll all agree that this has been a most interesting experience..

Thanks for playing guys :bow:

Many thanks to the game host.

Had I read the rules and game set up properly then I wouldn't have embarrassed myself with so many bad assumptions. I really really did have a fun time trying to accuse and reason out things with such severe posting restrictions.

That said, a request PLEASE

If you EVER DO ANOTHER GAME LIKE THIS, PLEASE LET ME PUT MORE THAN ONE HAIKU IN EACH POST!!!!

THIS GAME WAS SPAM CENTRAL! :wall:

That's my only complaint. My post count has generally been from non-spam posts, or at least ones that were on-topic. This game, I am ashamed to say I've got like 200 posts that I didn't really have any right to have.

[Subotan]

Alright, if Haiku Hegemony ever returns to impose it's iron will upon the gameroom, then multiple haikus will be allowed per post. :bow:

[Secura]

Of course, Blackadder died in the first round, which was both surprising and a little bit gamebreaking.

Yeah, Blackadder was my foil, my secret weapon to winning the game... he died early on, and it took alot of work to get this far since then. I apologise to Renata and Market... the former was picked at random, the latter was picked out of necessity at the time.


I still think that Secura gave a terrific effort given the circumstances though, and I'm embarrassed that the she evidently wasn't having fun in the final round.

Actually, I was really enjoying it; I got a pang of guilt from Pizza's posts and just admitted it was me; he seemed pretty bummed out, and in all honesty I was surprised to have gotten this far. I wanted to keep Pizza and Niklas alive though, cos their haiku were fun to read. ^_^

[Renata]

I LOVED this game, even if I did get it just as bass-ackwards as everybody. Thanks very much for it, Subotan.

[Niklas]

Alright, if Haiku Hegemony ever returns to impose it's iron will upon the gameroom, then multiple haikus will be allowed per post. :bow:

NO! In the next Haiku game, you should (or I, I may well host one) impose the restriction that you may not post more than one haiku at a time! The whole point is to restrict communication, so only one haiku per post, and you may never post twice in a row. :bow:

... and thank you for hosting, this game was massive fun. I'm glad I took Blackadder down with my shot from the hip. :grin:

[Myrddraal]

After the Haiku
In my head I continued
To read 5-7-5

Splitting sentences,
Where no natural pause lies,
Makes for bad Haiku.

Take this Haiku for
example, this is a bad
Haiku, isn't it?

[Secura]

It's alot harder when you're trying to make constructive points without spamming the thread... you will end up posting where there's no natural pauses, it just happens.

[Myrddraal]

I have it easy,
As an onlooker, and yet:
Poetic posts rule.

Cherry blossom falls.
Whirling in a frantic dance.
Carried on the wind.

Once more you are scum,
How unfortunate for you.
I know you hate it.

[Secura]

Once more you are scum,
How unfortunate for you.
I know you hate it.

What Random decrees,
Secura will try to do...
...mafia or not.

[Secura]

But yes, I loathe it,
Townie is more fun for me...
...nine times out of ten.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Next time you are mafia, Secura, if you don't want to do it ask the host to re-randomize the roles, or promise me you will never falter until every last townie is dead.

I promise you on my days of Blitzmastery, if you kill me as mafia I will be both entertained and honored. :bow:

[Methos]

I found this very hilarious. ATPG came to me via IM and asked my opinion and I stated it could be that Niklas was also innocent and the mafia was keeping them two butting heads. While I'm not sure if my reasoning was correct, my suggestion that both ATPG and Niklas was innocent was correct!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Given the fact that every single townie apparently didn't read the game setup and the rules, and did not until it was basically too late, this game was hilarious beyond belief.

[Methos]

We're required to read the rules? Huh?

[Secura]

I stated it could be that Niklas was also innocent and the mafia was keeping them two butting heads

:laugh4:

While I'd like to say that this was the true reason, I actually kept them both alive because I loved reading their haiku!

[Thermal]

I said it was secura all along, you should have listened!


:creep:


Great game subotan.

[Secura]

I said it was secura all along, you should have listened!

Lies! Under radar!
Thermal said it was Pizza...
...not Miss Secura!

[Thermal]

I don't understand!
How did you deduce to that?
An obvious scum... :wink:

[Secura]

Post Count:

Pizza: 261
Niklas: 125
Secura: 80
Thermal: 64
Renata: 46
AVSM: 10
Blackadder: 9

:laugh4:

[A Very Super Market]

Seeing the post count for any game I'm in is always a chuckle.

[Beskar]

Does make me wonder why you sign up for the majority of them, even though you are "not here" to play.

[Diamondeye]

I want in on the next installment of this. And I like your idea, Niklas.

I, too, had fun following the game. I talked to Niklas during the ATPG-Niklas showdown and learnt that he was town, which was why I was so restrictive in talking to ATPG. But I believe I mentioned that the OP talked about "only one mafia" and that was what made ATPG turn on a dime. I'm sorry if I somehow broke the game doing that but I was only pointing him to public information that all of the players should know.

Looking forward to the next haiku one :) And yes, Myrd, I too keep reading in haiku now...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry if I somehow broke the game doing that but I was only pointing him to public information that all of the players should know.

Even from that, I am shamed I could not figure it out still. There was just enough oddness with the AVSM kill that I was dumbfounded Secura would point the finger at herself like that.... went back to Niklas.

[Thermal]

Seeing the post count for any game I'm in is always a chuckle.

Not quite the chuckle you get from seeing ATPG's post count though :tongue:

Chuckle is such an awesome word.

[Secura]

Even from that, I am shamed I could not figure it out still. There was just enough oddness with the AVSM kill that I was dumbfounded Secura would point the finger at herself like that.... went back to Niklas.

Then at least I did a good job to some extent! ^_^