View Full Version : Some women deserve to be beaten.
HoreTore
07-13-2010, 16:44
So, I was talking to the doorman(is that the correct term? it's the guy who stands at the entrance and tells the drunks to piss off...) of the local pub today, you know, small talk about what happened this weekend. He had an interesting story, apparently some woman was punched by her husband at the pub this saturday, not just once, but repeatedly until the the guards intervened. You know, standard wife-beating. The guards got him under control and kept him until the cops came and arrested him. The police took statements from the witnesses and all the usual stuff, and the woman was comforted by a female friend. They were talking, and these words were overheard:
But he's usually such a good man!!
I'm starting to believe that some women deserve every punch they get. When your husband has beaten you 150 times, he is going to do it 151 times too. Such men are scum, best left to rot alone. The women who are incapable of understanding that is beyond my pity.
And no Husar and Vladimir; I have no sources for this story either, this is all real-life experience. If you can't handle that then please go away, since I still want to hear the comments from the rest of the community.
rory_20_uk
07-13-2010, 16:46
Women in this situation generally have mental illness of some description. Even I'd be more open minded on this.
~:smoking:
Skullheadhq
07-13-2010, 16:47
Some women deserve to be beaten, just as some men deserve to be beaten, or are we going to discriminate now?
I blame Hollywood.
Yes, it is surely all their fault for a hundred years of brainwashing women into the ideals of the perfect romance and the perfect man. The ideal man who is intelligent, witty, handsome, deep, mysterious and charming. Hollywood has made women naive to the realities of romance and men. It has programmed them in ways that run against their native intuition. A woman in such a situation has held her man to these false ideals, and not simply compared him to these ideals, but rather, has replaced her image of him with this idealism. She no longer sees a man, she sees a prince, a demi-god, a man of no flaws. She has had her perceptions muddled with until she no longer has any awareness of what in her man is real and what is fantasy.
She begins to blame herself, for surely her "Hollywood Prince" can do no wrong. She questions herself, she asks the internal questions: "He's not normally like that! What did I do wrong? What did I do to make him so angry?" She sees herself as the perpetrator, and she falls victim to her own misjudged intellections. She takes that great womanly power to emotionalise a situation, and comes to the unenviable situation of searching for a cause for the effect from a biased stand-point. Her judgement is clouded by affection, and perceptions of the perfect man. So what does she do, she finds that the blame must fall on her own shoulders. Oh, the tragedy!
:clown:
HoreTore
07-13-2010, 17:08
Some women deserve to be beaten, just as some men deserve to be beaten, or are we going to discriminate now?
I wasn't entirely serious when I said that; I don't believe that anyone deserve to be or should be beaten...
Cute Wolf
07-13-2010, 17:11
women did have tendency to still save some room for love, even for a husband that often mistreat her, looking for your story, it was most likely she was unemployed woman who depends on her husband to provide sole monetary support, and most likely, her husband isolate her from most social contact, so that could be this way, "she perceived that her husband is her only 'friend' because she only have significant social contact with him"
When I saw the thread topic, I thought it was about Mel Gibson.
A lot of it goes back to childhood experience. If a boy sees his dad beat his mom, it seems like the normal thing to do. If a girl sees her dad beat her mom, it seems like the normal thing to have happen. If the girl is beat or otherwise abused by a male family member, this becomes normal at a subconscious level to them in adult life. They may seek out these types of relationships, as a kind, loving relationship seems weird.
And the circle of life continues...
Sasaki Kojiro
07-13-2010, 17:40
I blame Hollywood.
Those kind of stories predate hollywood by quite a lot though. I think it's just a natural human tendency to stick with the one you love too long.
Vladimir
07-13-2010, 17:43
Coming back with a bang I see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA
Ja'chyra
07-13-2010, 19:13
I've got to disagree with the comment that no one deserves to be hit, some people do.
I am all for equality and if a woman starts beating on a man they he has the right to hit her back, would I do it? Doubt it, but you never know.
Violence is the failure of communication.
If you are unable to communication, then it is better just to leave eachother alone. If it is a situation where you can't really do that, then you get a independent third party to deal with it.
Vladimir
07-13-2010, 20:46
Violence is the failure of communication.
I agree. If I communicate to you that I want your wallet and you strongly disagree, the resulting breakdown in communication results in me punching you in the face. :inquisitive:
I agree. If I communicate to you that I want your wallet and you strongly disagree, the resulting breakdown in communication results in me punching you in the face. :inquisitive:
Correct. You just proved my point.
Gregoshi
07-13-2010, 21:26
Correct. You just proved my point.
A physically and financially painful way to do so.
A physically and financially painful way to do so.
He would probably need ladders to hit my face first, so I am not too worried.
But it is exactly right, violence is the breakdown of communication.
Gregoshi
07-13-2010, 22:38
...violence is the breakdown of communication.
Violence can be a form of communication - although an undesireable form of such. And while you might be able to say in most cases it is a result of a communications breakdown, you may not have caused the breakdown, but could be the target of the violence.
Rhyfelwyr
07-14-2010, 00:25
The abuse can be mental as well as physical. The husband could hit her where she won't bruise too much and he'll tell her people won't believe her. Or he could cut her off from contact with other people so she has nobody to turn to. Or break her down mentally until she thinks she's worthless and won't be able to cope without him. Or if they have kids she might try to stick with him in the hopes of saving her family.
I think these are more likely causes of why women put up with wife-beating, as opposed to clinging onto her concept of the dream man.
Best laugh I ever got: Driving past a giant evergreen in the town square covered with little white bells. "That's for wife abuse awareness," my mother-in-law told me from the backseat. "Each bell represents a woman who was beaten in this county."
"Wow," I said, "that's a lot of women who won't freakin' listen."
Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week. Try the veal! Tip your waitress, don't tip her over!
Best laugh I ever got: Driving past a giant evergreen in the town square covered with little white bells. "That's for wife abuse awareness," my mother-in-law told me from the backseat. "Each bell represents a woman who was beaten in this county."
"Wow," I said, "that's a lot of women who won't freakin' listen."
Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week. Try the veal! Tip your waitress, don't tip her over!
Looks like you are not her favourite son-in-law.
Looks like you are not her favourite son-in-law.
Well, I dunno if it was timing or intonation, but she actually laughed, as did everyone else in the car. Like I said, it was one of the best laughs I ever got.
Louis VI the Fat
07-14-2010, 02:16
Never hit 'em where other people can see the bruises
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 03:18
When I saw the thread topic, I thought it was about Mel Gibson.
When I saw the thread topic, I thought it was about Sean Connery.
When I saw the thread topic, I thought it was about Mel Gibson.
I am so increadibly glad that someone took the time to take Mel's latest rants and pair them up with adorable kittens (http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/the-13-worst-mel-gibson-rant-quotes-presented-by) (language warning).
Strike For The South
07-14-2010, 03:40
I am so increadibly glad that someone took the time to take Mel's latest rants and pair them up with adorable kittens (http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/the-13-worst-mel-gibson-rant-quotes-presented-by) (language warning).
Any man I ever known who hit a woman was nothing but a bully and not really a man at all
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 03:43
Any man I ever known who hit a woman was nothing but a bully and not really a man at all
Tell that to James Bond.
Don Corleone
07-14-2010, 04:21
Not really sure where this fits, but I'm raising Jillian and Allison to go for the 'nads if they get hit. Any 'dude' that would hit a lady ain't got anything to worry about getting hit anyways.
a completely inoffensive name
07-14-2010, 04:39
**** it! Lemur's Connery video didn't show for me until after I posted.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-14-2010, 04:53
Not really sure where this fits, but I'm raising Jillian and Allison to go for the 'nads if they get hit. Any 'dude' that would hit a lady ain't got anything to worry about getting hit anyways.
Heel-strike to the instep is even better. Make the ****** limp. This then sets up the shot at the unmentionables.
Centurion1
07-14-2010, 06:21
You just don't hit womenfolk. If a women was coming at me with a knife I'd probably treat her differently.
@louis your a wee cultured frenchmen. Your women beat you.
rory_20_uk
07-14-2010, 10:29
You don't hit Ladies. A lady doesn't come at you with a knife or a fist. If some female skank tries to attack myself I will defend. Her gender is not at this moment an issue.
~:smoking:
I am so increadibly glad that someone took the time to take Mel's latest rants and pair them up with adorable kittens (http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/the-13-worst-mel-gibson-rant-quotes-presented-by) (language warning).
Nice. I'm hoping someone will do a Mel Gibson vs. Hunter S. Thompson Rant-Off.
pevergreen
07-14-2010, 12:17
Not really sure where this fits, but I'm raising Jillian and Allison to go for the 'nads if they get hit. Any 'dude' that would hit a lady ain't got anything to worry about getting hit anyways.
My view: If females want equal status in every aspect, then there should be no prejudice or harsher sentance/scrutiny for a punch that hits a woman as opposed to a man.
"You don't hit girls"
Sexist.
HoreTore
07-14-2010, 12:43
My view: If females want equal status in every aspect, then there should be no prejudice or harsher sentance/scrutiny for a punch that hits a woman as opposed to a man.
"You don't hit girls"
Sexist.
You don't hit people, period. Gender is irrelevant.
Nice. I'm hoping someone will do a Mel Gibson vs. Hunter S. Thompson Rant-Off.
It's not Mel v. Hunter, but it's close: Mel Gibson v. Christian Bale (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ge02eybjY) (*WARNING* LANGUAGE!)
Vladimir
07-14-2010, 13:57
He would probably need ladders to hit my face first, so I am not too worried.
But it is exactly right, violence is the breakdown of communication.
Then I'd just take this right foot and put it across the left side of your face. :laugh4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtJpEz7rMzM
Sorry, you just reminded me of one of my favorite movies.
Females are the weaker gender, they should not be hit, kicked, beaten, suffocated, burned, slashed, blown up, given stressful important jobs or generally let out of the safety of their kitchen.
Other than that the OP is lacking a source and is about as believable as a fairytale about norwegian gnomes, unicorns, dragons and socialism being a good thing. ~;)
I think I'm going with the doctor:
Women in this situation generally have mental illness of some description. Even I'd be more open minded on this.
~:smoking:
Some women are just weak, have a disorder or whatever, and so do some men, there are supposedly men who get beaten by women, too.
Maybe they're afraid to end up alone etc., to say they deserve to be beaten because they're weak is not very socialist, humanist or compassionate at all.
HoreTore
07-14-2010, 15:13
to say they deserve to be beaten because they're weak is not very socialist, humanist or compassionate at all.
Oh quit putting words into our mouths, nobody has said that.
Oh quit putting words into our mouths, nobody has said that.
Sure about that?
Some women deserve to be beaten.
I'm starting to believe that some women deserve every punch they get. When your husband has beaten you 150 times, he is going to do it 151 times too. Such men are scum, best left to rot alone. The women who are incapable of understanding that is beyond my pity.
Still sure about it?
HoreTore
07-14-2010, 16:37
Sure about that?
Still sure about it?
Yes, why should I be unsure?
Your failure to understand what is being communicated isn't my problem.... And I can't be bothered to spoon-feed you, sorry.
KukriKhan
07-14-2010, 16:38
No woman deserves to be hit. Period.
That said (or typed, I guess) I have yet to meet a woman - any woman - who, after I got to know them a bit (a very little bit in many cases) who did NOT tell me that some man significant to them had hit them. So in my experience it's a problem, a pervasive one.
Good on ya, Don for preparing your girls for what seems inevitable. Teach them the second and third blows as well (neck and nose), and make 'em wear good footware.
Rhyfelwyr
07-14-2010, 16:38
I once had a bit of a psychotic femenist for a teacher (I'm not meaning to slander all femenists as psychotic, just this individual happened to be, she spoke louder than I can shout) who went nuts at one kid for suggesting a man should be able to retaliate if a woman hits him.
I'm inclined to agree with her. In 99% of cases, the man will be significantly stronger than the woman, and can easily cause a lot of harm to her. Just don't hit people that are weaker than you. I wouldn't hit a kid, or if some midget guy tried to attack me I would have a natural reaction not to fight back in case I seriously hurt him.
Even if the woman tries to stab you, I have learned from CSI that women will nearly always go for the overarm stab which is easy to block by grabbing their wrists, whereas a man would stick it under your ribs or whatever.
Just don't hit people that are weaker than you.
Hmm. As a rule, this one seems very open to abuse. Exemplum gratum, I have known a couple of women who felt that the stricture on men not to strike back meant open season for them. Put their boyfriends in an uncomfortable bind; let your woman beat the gah out of you, flee, or strike back?
If you give women an ironclad guarantee that violence will never be met with violence, you're giving them a hell of an incentive to be jerks. And since women are human, they are capable of being jerks.
Personally, I think you are legitimately allowed to use proportional force when someone, anyone is using force on you. In my book, you have a license to use exactly as much force as is necessary to escape, evade or downgrade the danger.
Tellos Athenaios
07-14-2010, 17:21
It is well known that little kids (especially those who need yet to learn not to hit each other), will hit incrementally harder in retaliation until it gets out of hand. The reason is that they misjudge the amount of force behind the hit that they received, so when they try to hit back “just as hard” they hit back harder still. And this is not something that goes away when they grow up, as adults they are just as incapable of responding “in kind” without overdoing it. It would require quite a bit of training before you can make the distinction between “proportional” and “too much” force, especially when attacked.
So the bottom line is: don't hit, even when struck.
Tellos, I'm not sure where to go with that thought. So proportional force is, if not an impossibility, extremely unlikely to occur? So ... so what? My main point was that some women will abuse a you-can't-hit-me guarantee. Why will they abuse it? Because they are human beings, which means they will abuse any advantage given them. It's just the way we're built.
I think a key element of no-hitting-between-men-and-women is that there needs to be mutuality and equity. I promise not to hit you and you promise not to hit me, and so forth.
In general, though, men who hit women are scum, and women who hit men expecting to get away with it are cowards.
KukriKhan
07-14-2010, 17:37
Mrs. Kukri handles the wimmin-folk, I, the men. We made that deal early on, back when I still hung out in bars.
Rhyfelwyr
07-14-2010, 18:05
Hmm. As a rule, this one seems very open to abuse. Exemplum gratum, I have known a couple of women who felt that the stricture on men not to strike back meant open season for them. Put their boyfriends in an uncomfortable bind; let your woman beat the gah out of you, flee, or strike back?
In most cases, their boyfriends should have enough of a strength advantage to be able to restrain them without resorting to striking back in self-defence.
Sasaki Kojiro
07-14-2010, 18:10
Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbbCuJlg4A
Should he have hit her? I vote yes.
KukriKhan
07-14-2010, 18:24
Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbbCuJlg4A
Should he have hit her? I vote yes.
Epic Fail of Husband.
Skullheadhq
07-14-2010, 18:27
I wasn't entirely serious when I said that; I don't believe that anyone deserve to be or should be beaten...
Roman Polanski, Osama bin Laden, Paris Hilton? Just a few from the top of my head.
Hosakawa Tito
07-14-2010, 18:40
Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbbCuJlg4A
Should he have hit her? I vote yes.
You want to be treated like a lady? Better start acting like one. In that particular case striking her wouldn't be necessary. However, the old bent-wrist-come-along would do nicely.
Meneldil
07-14-2010, 18:51
I thought it was well known by now that a large part of the female population is weak and submissive.
That explains why macho-men & chauvinist pigdogs are strangely appealing to some women and why the whole female domination fetichism is just that, a fetichism, while male dominition is the usual way sex goes.
One of my current coworkers admited the other day that she doesn't drink alcohol at all because her ex-boyfriend did - too much - which made him cheat on her and beat her for more than three years. Ridiculously, instead of blaming it on her asstwat ex, she decided to blame it on alcohol. This kind of behavior makes me speechless.
I even find my own gf's behavior scary sometimes. Especially when I'm tempted to yell at her "can't you see I've just acted like a jerk? yell at me, hate me, try to hit me, do something!"
HoreTore
07-14-2010, 19:24
Hmm. As a rule, this one seems very open to abuse. Exemplum gratum, I have known a couple of women who felt that the stricture on men not to strike back meant open season for them. Put their boyfriends in an uncomfortable bind; let your woman beat the gah out of you, flee, or strike back?
If you give women an ironclad guarantee that violence will never be met with violence, you're giving them a hell of an incentive to be jerks. And since women are human, they are capable of being jerks.
Personally, I think you are legitimately allowed to use proportional force when someone, anyone is using force on you. In my book, you have a license to use exactly as much force as is necessary to escape, evade or downgrade the danger.
If your girlfriend hits you, the answer to that situation is the same as for a woman who is hit by her boyfriend:
Leave.
Don't just leave the situation/room though, leave the relationship. A violent and abusive relationship, physically or mentally, is never good for anyone, no matter what you may believe.
I even find my own gf's behavior scary sometimes. Especially when I'm tempted to yell at her "can't you see I've just acted like a jerk? yell at me, hate me, try to hit me, do something!"
My ex tried the same thing you're doing.... And that's partly why she's an "ex"....
I'm a fan of the if someone is hitting someone else in a relationship they shouldn't be together idea. If it really takes slapping your girlfriend or wife or visa versa to end an argument then it's a screwy damn relationship.
In general though, if someone hits someone else I feel that other person is entitled to self defense, person a hits person b, person b is justified in hitting person a, regardless of gender.
That being said, here's a tasteless joke:
<hill billy voice>
What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
Nothing you already done told her twice.
Don Corleone
07-15-2010, 04:46
Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbbCuJlg4A
Should he have hit her? I vote yes.
I vote no. But he should have led her away from his litle dumpster (what was that about) with a bucket of fried chicken on the end of a fishing pole...
If I was that guy, I would have grabbed the newspaper and thrown it away. If she kicks me, I would grab her foot, pull her shoe off, and throw it away. If I get questioned on it "I was disarming her in self-defense".
It works as well.
(Oooo, she does a racist slur at the end as well.)
Centurion1
07-15-2010, 05:40
That woman was a .........mean lady. Id restrain through away her weapon and then sue her ass in court and take everything she owned.
Polite applause for the man take its so respectfully and not snapping I would not be able to tolerate it and at least scream at her.
Gregoshi
07-15-2010, 05:40
If I was that guy, I would have grabbed the newspaper and thrown it away. If she kicks me, I would grab her foot, pull her shoe off, and throw it away.
Beskar, if you are going to throw some stuff out, you might as well throw all the trash out. ~;)
Askthepizzaguy
07-15-2010, 07:20
I will confess I'm not much of a fighter, and that maybe 90% of the women that hang around in biker bars could probably mess me up without any weapons whatsoever.
If they come at me with a pool stick, knife, or gun, you gentlemen will have to forgive me if I don't "Man Up" and just take it on the chin out of some antiquated notion of chivalry that the psycho (bleep) isn't adhering to. :tongue2:
If she looks dangerous and starts swinging at me, I just might need to bloody her nose up (if I even can) just to get the heck away from her.
I'm not a hero, dang it.
Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbbCuJlg4A
Should he have hit her? I vote yes.
In that situation I probably would have taken the newspaper off of her and smacked her back with it for a laugh, then started dancing around spritely out of her reach and darting in for another smack at an opportune moment. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
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