The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

[Joooray]

That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

[TheFlax]

Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

[Joooray]

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

True, I was never one to come up with good reasons to vote for someone, I'm more on the commenting on other cases side. So I admit, DE's accusation present a welcome possibility to jump on. Granted I was led by the believe DE wasn't mafia, because of his name and that there were still two individual night kills.

I'd be happy to comment any other case that comes up and maybe join it. Sorry, the time I have doesn't allowing much else. All I hoped was that my vote would spark discussion, which apparently it has, if that gets me lynched in the end so be it.



Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.


Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.
Especially in combination with a claim that she isn't proficient in the history of that particular period of time and thus making it unlikely she'd come up with a fake role that would make such an ability possible. Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim. However, she might have devised her abilities to that role.
Not saying Secura is a good lynch, but I don't think my case is completely without merits.



What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?

Most probably not, I guess, I don't think CB would make the game so easy that one can decipher one's affiliation merely by the name. Also as stated elsewhere, who was on whose side is not that well documented after all, thus open to interpretation by our honourable GM.

[Joooray]

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.


[...] I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, [...]

That's what I interpreted as being immune to both. :shrug:

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw. :smug:

[Secura]

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

That's correct; my ability states:

As a sitting Consul you have Imperium which entails immunity from prosecution thus you may not be exiled at any point.

Thus, I'm immune to exile and executing me is to remove yet another townie; catch-22, potential waste of a lynch either way, but at least an exile attempt would show that I told the truth and wouldn't just help the mafia on their way to victory.


Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.

I dunno, maybe not being honest about my ability (which was revealed with no actual pressure), keeping schtum in general and not posting would have been a better idea? ¬_¬


Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim.

How would I have been aware of that? I thought this game was a piece of fiction; if you're actually referring to my knowledge of history, then I'm sorry to inform you that I'm principally a modern-day historian, my speciality being events from 1896 (from the coronation of Tsar Nicholas II) to 1990 (the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification of Germany) but I've got rough knowledge from 1400 onwards.

My knowledge of Ancient Rome (and indeed Greece and Egypt) is limited, in this case to the bare facts of Caesar and the expanding empire, as well as typical Roman living and worship; additionally, considering I learned this stuff back in 1999-2000 (when I was twelve!), it's all but forgotten anyway. It's actually the main reason I wish to teach 14-16 year olds rather than younger age-groups; I won't have to brush up on my 'ancient world' knowledge because much of the GCSE syllabus studies Russia, World War 1 & 2, the Weimar Republic and the Cold War.

As for name-claiming, I believe that it's a moot point; as I stated previously, I don't believe that there are any cover roles in this game because of the very nature of the mechanics. I think that the Cicero-Cataline face-off kinda limits role-revealing as you'd be painting yourself as a target if you were one of the more important roles.

Imagine if you were one of the two main Cicero followers (thus, town-aligned) and you revealed yourself in-thread after being pressed by the other players; you're then ensuring that you die the following night and render the reveal to be pointless.

I think Blackadder counted on this sense of restraint in role-reveals and thus didn't provide any cover roles in the game; it's entirely up to you and everyone else whether or not you believe that my role as Hybrida is fake, I can't really convince any more than I already have.

As for the earlier reference to Zelda, how about I refer to Inavi; where my name was mentioned as a lynch target, I did everything as I have here to defend myself and was lynched for it... only to be proven as an innocent?

[TheFlax]

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw. :smug:

"Interesting" is such a scummy word Joooray :clown:

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

[God Emperor]

Imo the best thing you can do is to wait for csargo to show up and vote for someone. He is bound to know more than the rest. That is if Romanic and Beskar wasn't his guardians. They were close friends of Csargo according to the writeup :shrug:.
For what it's worth, I think Secura is telling the truth.

[Beskar]

Well, that sucked.

[Joooray]

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

Because I don't actually think there is a good case against Secura. I was just presenting my train of thought, which then got out of hand. :wink:

Also, again, I don't think there is a strong case against W_E, however there is little good case against anybody and being silent has proven to be scummy at times, thus my vote.
But again, I'm happy to vote for somebody else, against who there is a better case, any time.

@GE: I doubt Cicero would be aware of the loyalty of a lot of people, as it would make it very easy for us to lynch the right ones. He may be able to investigate loyalty though, at least that would be an ability that would make sense in the setting.
Also he accused me last round, and since I know I'm not disloyal to the republic, he can't be aware of all the standings.

[Csargo]

Tullianium: Joooray

[Double A]

Protip: Play as Napoleon. He is insanely overpowered.



I know, I was reading the Civilopedia, and saw France had two fecking unique gunpowder units. I might play as Rome for the Legions or as USA because we kick ass.

I hope I get Robert E. Lee if I play as Lincoln :tongue:


Great.

I signed up to this game believing that it was simply a piece of fiction when it actually seems to be based on a period of history that I'm largely unfamiliar with; my speciality ranges from 1400-2000. That will teach me for skim-reading Blackadder's posts. -_-'

I'm Gaius Antonius Hybrida; I'd explain the character further but it seems that my role PM is just the third paragraph of the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Antonius_Hybrida), albeit paraphrased. As I stated earlier, I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, and it's in my best interests to follow Cicero; he's promised me land.

Here's some food for thought: what if Secura's PVC is to be exiled?

[ByzantineKnight]

I'm willing to go with Csargo on this one... Its too late in the game to not be unified and being Cicero he is the one person we can all agree to trust...

Exile: Joooray

@Host, if we exile the mafia do we still win? or do we need to kill them? because if exile doesnt work I'm gonna go with a Tullianium instead..

[ByzantineKnight]

Come on people :P we aren't going to catch the mafia by staying quiet... The lurkers need to start posting...

[God Emperor]

if we exile the mafia do we still win? or do we need to kill them? because if exile doesnt work I'm gonna go with a Tullianium instead..

Imo the exile seems a large part of the game and it is not impossible that a mafia would be gaining from an exile. You should just stick to lynches.

Tullianium: Joooray

[Secura]

what if Secura's PVC is to be exiled?

I don't have a personal goal whatosever though; I only have to ensure all threats to the Republic are removed in order to receive the land promised to me by Cicero.

Tullianium: Joooray

[Joooray]

Tullianium: Joooray

Wow, Cicero, you play your exposed role REALLY well ... all the explanation on voting me and all.

Anyway, the round should be over and I can tell you that I'm indeed loyal to the republic, so another chance to get mafia lost. Sucks when the town gives into silence, ladies and gentleman. :no:

[Captain Blackadder]

No the round has some time to go as I was late in posting the night write up there is still some hours to go.

[Joooray]

Well, already then, I though the round was 24h after your night write up so it should have ended this morning GMT.

Anyway, I doubt I will be able to convince anyone of my innocents. I'm Lucius Licinius Lucullus and "the greatest of all Optimites the finest example of the type that ever lived." I'm one of the older members of the senat and although my messenger Wiki Pedia has nothing to say about my role during the Catilinian incident, I can assure you that I'm far to happy with my position and my riches I acquired when I led the armies to have any interest in joining any uprising against the status quo of the republic. I suspect that it's rather the younglings that participate in such atrocities.

[White_eyes:D]

Tullianium:YLC where are you my lurker buddy? you FOS me and then you go missing...was I not good enough for you?~:mecry:

[Double A]

Well, already then, I though the round was 24h after your night write up so it should have ended this morning GMT.

Anyway, I doubt I will be able to convince anyone of my innocents. I'm Lucius Licinius Lucullus and "the greatest of all Optimites the finest example of the type that ever lived." I'm one of the older members of the senat and although my messenger Wiki Pedia has nothing to say about my role during the Catilinian incident, I can assure you that I'm far to happy with my position and my riches I acquired when I led the armies to have any interest in joining any uprising against the status quo of the republic. I suspect that it's rather the younglings that participate in such atrocities.

(Wouldn't it be Wikus Pedius?)

[Joooray]

(Wouldn't it be Wikus Pedius?)

Maybe it's a she and/or s/he is foreign. :shrug:

[ByzantineKnight]

*bump*

[Captain Blackadder]

Tullianium

Joooray
TheFlax
Csargo
GodEmperor
Secura
White Eyes

Exile
ByzantineKnight

White Eyes Joooray
Joooray TheFlax, Csargo, ByzantineKnight, GodEmperor, Secura
YLC, White Eyes



As the day reaches its end Cicero's eyes still hurt from the tears that have flown this day he gives up his duty for today and hands it over to the other Consul Hybridia and asks him to do the deed. He is no speaker as Cicero is so it is a quick tally of the votes it is to be Lucullus the finest Optimite General that is to die today. Whilst of late he has stayed in his Villa eating too much food and drinking too much wine he still has the presence that makes one want to stand to attention. Lucullus gazes at the people who have voted for his death. He thinks to himself a lifetime of defending the republic and what is it that I get a death that is not noble is not brave but is one where I will be killed like a dog. He is dragged to the Prison where he stands awaiting his execution. He stands with his neck as a ramrod he looks at the figure who is about to kill him and says with some force. Come on my good man we do not have all day kill me now and get it over with. With those words the gladius comes down and kills one of the finest romans that ever lived. He had done so much to extend the power of Rome the only positive is that he died before he would see the end.

Joooray (Lucullus) is dead

[Joooray]

Should be quite obvious I wasn't a threat too the republic. :smug:

[Captain Blackadder]

Night falls once more on the City of Rome two men are once more happy for if they are still alive by the end of the next day they will have won. There are so few true senators left that it shall be childs play to kill off the last remaining men. The two figures split off to make their kills. The first heads for the house of Lepidus. When he enters the room he sees that Lepidus is celebrating the death of Pompey. He rises a glass and says. To the man that killed that fat prig Pompey I raise this glass to you. The killer smiles for he knows that Lepidus has no idea how close that very same man is. The killer runs forward when Lepidus has his back turned and drops some poisen into his cup. The killer retreats with the sound of Lepidus slowly choaking to death following him as he departs.

The second killer is also happy for he is going to kill a man that is known throughout the Roman world for his name Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica. Great Great Grandnephew of the famous Scipio defeater of Hanibal Scipio has lost none of his famous forefathers military ability so it is clear to the killer that he must die tonight. The killer pulls out the gladius once more stained with the blood of so many others and kills the leader of the Optimites in the Senate.

White Eyes Lepidus and YLC Scipio are dead

The next days Cicero climbs up once more and states to all present that one of the followers of Catiline needs to be killed this day otherwise the Republic is doomed.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well that stinks...

Vote Tullianium: Double A

To start a discussion...

[Joooray]

Man, this game is buzzing with activity. :no:

[ByzantineKnight]

*sigh* I think I'm the only one who is still alive who realizes the game is still going :P

EDIT: or at least who has time to post...

[God Emperor]

Okay, lending a hand :) Tullianium: Double A

[Joooray]

*sigh* I think I'm the only one who is still alive who realizes the game is still going :P

EDIT: or at least who has time to post...


Okay, lending a hand :) Tullianium: Double A

I see the two mafia!! :clown:

[ByzantineKnight]

I see the two mafia!! :clown:

Maybe GE but I'm taking my vote off as soon as Double A or Csargo shows up... I want a discussion, not a lynch yet

[Joooray]

Maybe GE but I'm taking my vote off as soon as Double A or Csargo shows up... I want a discussion, not a lynch yet

Just kidding, I was merely pointing at the assumption that only the mafia still be interested in this game and thus vote. :wink:

[ByzantineKnight]

Just kidding, I was merely pointing at the assumption that only the mafia still be interested in this game and thus vote. :wink:

Oh :) well I'm not interested in losing but everyone else seems to have given up... As far as I see it, even if we lose, lets at least give the mafia a run for their money...

[Csargo]

I was fairly certain Joooray was mafia. It didn't seem that way from the write-up though. I'll have to read through the thread again to see if I can find something.

[ByzantineKnight]

I was fairly certain Joooray was mafia. It didn't seem that way from the write-up though. I'll have to read through the thread again to see if I can find something.

Sounds good, Double A is kinda being silent, should I keep my pressure vote up or take it off?

[Double A]

Hey, last time I checked here, no one had said anything. I'm not omnipresent, guys :sad:

Also, pressure votes don't work if you say it's a pressure vote. Just sayin'.

[ByzantineKnight]

Hey, last time I checked here, no one had said anything. I'm not omnipresent, guys :sad:

Also, pressure votes don't work if you say it's a pressure vote. Just sayin'.

It was just to get you to come back, not to put serious pressure on you :)

UnTullianium: DoubleA

[Double A]

Ok...

[Joooray]

I was fairly certain Joooray was mafia. It didn't seem that way from the write-up though. I'll have to read through the thread again to see if I can find something.

I should return to my previous habit of staying very low, somehow whenever I'm fairly active it gets me lynched rather quick. :laugh3:

[Diamondeye]

Ok...

Lynch this guy..?

[ByzantineKnight]

We're waiting for Csargo to come up with a new suspect :P

[Double A]

Lynch this guy..?

I can't really tell who's scum or not in this game, that's why I'm so quiet.

STOP PLAYING SO WELL.

[Captain Blackadder]

This round has being extended due to the lack of votes. You have another 24 hours.

[White_eyes:D]

I can't really tell who's scum or not in this game, that's why I'm so quiet.

STOP PLAYING SO WELL.There is far too much activity going on for Csargo to go though, it seems....:brood:

The funny part is, the Mafia killed inactive people last round....sad:shame:

[ByzantineKnight]

There is far too much activity going on for Csargo to go though, it seems....:brood:

The funny part is, the Mafia killed inactive people last round....sad:shame:

Personally, I'd say thats good :) It means that we lose people that weren't doing quite as much good for the town (voting, discussing) so we haven't lost as much of the town's power as we could have... No offence meant though :P

[White_eyes:D]

Inactive people This includes me of course. :bounce:

I bet Secura is one of the mafia, her lurking is kind of scummy. :wink:

[TheFlax]

This is pretty much the only moment I have online for yesterday and today, apologies.

I suspect GodEmperor but I really don't have the time to make any sort of case.

Vote: GodEmperor to state my position.

[Csargo]

Tullianium:GodEmperor

[ByzantineKnight]

Well I guess I'll go with Csargo..

Tullianium: GodEmperor

[Csargo]

UnTullianium:GE, Tullianium: BK

[ByzantineKnight]

UnTullianium:GE, Tullianium: BK

O.o

okay...

Edit: either way, I think the round is over... Can I ask why you voted me?

[God Emperor]

Disappointed in the mafia:shame:

[Captain Blackadder]

Cicero gets up once more he is a tired man too tired to resist the words of the last few senators when they order that the man to be killed this day is the most powerful man left in Rome it is time for Julius Caesar to die. Cicero is too depressed to say his usual words and instead just motions for the executioners to kill this man; this man who would have ruled Rome but now will just be another victim. Caesar was known to be a man who pushed his luck to the end always going double or nothing and this time it was to be nothing. The chief executioner moved to strangle him and Caesar looks up at the sky for the last time and says “None but the brave deserve the fair”. With these words we see the end of the man who would have being the greatest of all the Romans known throughout the lands.

GodEmperor (Julius Caesar) is dead

That Night, The Death of the Republic

"Just before the arrival of the Catilines Marcus Cicero left the city, considering it certain that he had no more chance of being saved from the vengeance of Catiline than Hybridia and Cato had of escaping the others, -- which was the fact. He fled first to his Tusculan villa and thence proceeded by cross-roads to that of Formi in order to take ship at Caieta. There, after advancing several times seaward, he was driven back by adverse winds, and again he found himself unable to endure the tossing of the ship on the gloomy rolling waves, and he began at length to grow weary both of flight and of life. So he returned to his upper villa, which was a little more than a mile from the shore, saying, 'I will die in my fatherland that I have so often saved.' His slaves, led by Tiro were ready to fight for him bravely and faithfully, but that he ordered them to put down the litter and endure with patience whatever an adverse fate should compel. As he leaned out of the litter and offered his neck unmoved, his head was cut off. Nor did this satisfy the senseless cruelty of the soldiers. They cut off his tongue, also, for the offence of having said harsh words about Catiline. Thus the head was brought to Catiline and placed by his order between the two hands on the rostra, where, often as consul, often as a consular, and, that very year against Catiline, he had been heard with admiration of his eloquence, the like of which no other human voice ever uttered. The people, raising their eyes bedimmed with tears, could scarcely bear the sight of his dismembered parts. He lived sixty-three years, so that in the absence of violence his death could not have been considered premature. His genius served him well both in his works and in the rewards thereof. He enjoyed the favours of fortune for a long time, yet in the intervals of his protracted career of prosperity he suffered some severe blows, exile, the ruin of the party he had espoused, the death of his daughter, and his end so sad and bitter, none of which calamities did he bear as became a man except his death, which to one who weighs the matter impartially must seem the less undeserved, since he suffered nothing more cruel at the hands of his victorious enemy than he would himself have inflicted if fortune had put the same power in his hands. Yet if we weigh his virtues and his faults he must be pronounced a great, energetic, and ever memorable man, to fitly sound whose praises another Cicero would be needed." This judgment of the gravest of Roman historians is the one which the better part of mankind has ratified in all succeeding ages. With the death of Cicero, Tiro turns to speak to Sura the murder of Cicero

"You have gained nothing, Sura (for the indignation bursting from my mind and breast compels me to exceed the intended character of this work); you have gained nothing, I say, by paying the price for closing that celestial voice and cutting off that most noble head, and instigating, by a cruel reward, the death of a man who had once been so great a consul and the saviour of the republic. You deprived Marcus Cicero of a life of anxiety and a feeble old age, of an existence worse under your chieftainship than death under your triumvirate. But the fame and glory of his deeds and words you have not taken from him in the least, but rather augmented. He lives and will live in the memory of all ages. So long as this body of the natural universe, whether created by chance or by providence, or however constituted, which he almost alone of the Romans penetrated with his intellect, embraced with his genius, and illuminated with his eloquence, shall endure, it will bear the praise of Cicero as coeval with it. All posterity will admire what he wrote against you and execrate what you did against him, and sooner shall the human race perish from the earth than his fame decay."
Csargo (Cicero) is dead

Cato awaits the arrival of Catiline to his quarters. One of his servants was about to go on an embassy to Catiline on behalf of the remaining Senators, and requested Cato to suggest to him a convincing speech which he might employ in the case; "for," said he, "in thine own behalf it were well for me to fall down at Catiline’s knees and clasp his hands." But Cato would not suffer him to do this. "For if," said he, "I were willing to be saved by grace of Catiline, I ought to go to him in person and see him alone; but I am unwilling to be under obligations to the tyrant for his illegal acts. And he acts illegally in saving, as if their master, those over whom he has no right at all to be the lord. However, if it is thy wish, let us consider jointly how thou mayest obtain mercy for the three hundred." After his conference with the servant on this matter, he presented his son and his companions to him as he was going away; and after escorting him on his way and bidding him farewell, he came back home, called together his son and his friends, and discoursed with them on many subjects. In particular, he forbade the young man to engage in political matters; for to do so worthily of a Cato was no longer possible, as things were going, and to do so otherwise would be disgraceful. And presently, towards evening, he betook himself to the bath.

After his bath came to an end, and after walking about with his friends as he usually did after supper, he gave the officers of the watch the proper orders, and then retired to his chamber, but not until he had embraced his son and each of his friends with more than his wonted kindness, and thus awakened anew their suspicions of what was to come. After entering his chamber and lying down, he took up Plato's dialogue "On the Soul," and when he had gone through the greater part of the treatise, he looked up above his head, and not seeing his sword hanging there (for his son had taken it away while Cato was still at supper), called the servant back once more and asked him who had taken the weapon. The servant made no answer, and Cato returned to his book; and a little while after, as if in no haste or hurry, but merely looking for his sword, he bade the servant fetch it. But as there was some delay, and no one brought the weapon, he finished reading his book, and this time called his servants one by one and in louder tones demanded his sword. One of them he smote on the mouth with his fist, and bruised his own hand, angrily crying now in loud tones that his son and his servants were betraying him into the hands of the enemy without arms. At last his son ran in weeping, together with his friends, and after embracing him, betook himself to lamentations and entreaties. But Cato, rising to his feet, took on a solemn look, and said: "When and where, without my knowledge, have I been adjudged a madman, that no one instructs or tries to convert me in matters wherein I am thought to have made bad decisions, but I am prevented from using my own judgement, and have my arms taken from me? Why, generous boy, dost thou not also tie thy father's hands behind his back, that Catiline may find me unable to defend myself when he comes? Surely, to kill myself I have no need of a sword, when I have only to hold my breath a little while, or dash my head against the wall, and death will come."

As Cato said these words the young man went out sobbing, and all the rest also, except for a few loyal men. These alone remained, and with these Cato began to talk, now in gentler tones. "I suppose," said he, "that ye also have decided to detain in life by force a man as old as I am, and to sit by him in silence and keep watch of him: or are ye come with the plea that it is neither shameful nor dreadful for Cato, when he has no other way of salvation, to await salvation at the hands of his enemy? Why, then, do ye not speak persuasively and convert me to this doctrine, that we may cast away those good old opinions and arguments which have been part of our very lives, be made wiser through Catilines efforts, and therefore be more grateful to him? And yet I, certainly, have come to no resolve about myself; but when I have come to a resolve, I must be master of the course which I decide to take. And I shall come to a resolve with your aid, as I might say, since I shall reach it with the aid of those doctrines which ye also adopt as philosophers. So go away with good courage, and bid my son not to try force with his father when he cannot persuade him."

And now the birds were already beginning to sing, when he fell asleep again for a little while. And when his son came and told him that harbours were very quiet, he ordered him to close the door, throwing himself down upon his couch as if he were going to rest there for what still remained of the night. But when his had gone out, Cato drew his sword from its sheath and stabbed himself below the breast. His thrust, however, was somewhat feeble, owing to the inflammation in his hand, and so he did not at once dispatch himself, but in his death struggle fell from the couch and made a loud noise by overturning a geometrical abacus that stood near. His servants heard the noise and cried out, and his son at once ran in, together with his friends. They saw that he was smeared with blood, and that most of his bowels were protruding, but that he still had his eyes open and was alive; and they were terribly shocked. But the physician went to him and tried to replace his bowels, which remained uninjured, and to sew up the wound. Accordingly, when Cato recovered and became aware of this, he pushed the physician away, tore his bowels with his hands, rent the wound still more, and so died.

Double A (Cato the Younger) is dead

Finally we reach the house of Antonios Hybridia now whilst these previous men died with honour and dignity fitting of their station as some of the finest Romans who ever lived Hybridia would have no such death. He would have the death that befits a man who in all rights should never have gained the power that he did. He sees Catiline approaching and walks out to him saying all sorts of pleasantries. “How are thou my good man?” and “I was always loyal to you, doth thou not know?” All of his words would result in nothing, like the others he was to die as well for nothing upset Catiline more than the betrayal of someone who was once thought to be a friend. Hybridia still continues to talk of things that he could do. “I will give you Macedon Catiline.” And “I can still be useful.” Catiline rises his hand and with that Hybridia is silent he neck fat trembling as Catiline gets closer and closer. Catiline leans into him and says “Cowards die 1000 deaths, heroes die but one. You have already died many times in your life thankfully for you this will be your last.” With these words Catiline draws up the blade that has being in his family for centuries and cuts down Hybridia.
Secura (Hybridia) is dead

Catiline Victory
Congratulations

Saskai
TheFlax
Byzantine Knight

[Diamondeye]

Congratulations to the mafia although I despise the way this game went.

[Captain Blackadder]

Cicero

The absolute good is not a matter of opinion but of nature.
Cicero

Hail to thee Consul leading man of Rome you are Marcus Tullius Cicero considered by many to be the great orator that ever lived. You are unusual sort of man to be Consul for you are a novus homo a new man first in your family to be Consul. You came from the same town as one of the other greatest novus homo Arpinum. You are a great politician and even greater lawyer. You greatest claim to fame is your prosecution of the Governor Verres for corruption which allowed for you to gain a large clientele. Whilst you are not the wealthiest man or the greatest soldier yet your name will go down in history as one of the greatest Romans that ever lived. Plus you have done all of this with something that many other men ignore their minds and words. Can you live up to your own example and defend the republic from all threats.

Abilities

Imperium
As sitting Consul of the Republic you are immune from prosecution for any crime thus you cannot be killed or exiled.

Clientele
As a great man you have many people who follow you to make sure that no harm comes to you these two men are your brother Quintus Cicero and your good friend Titus Pomponius Atticus should they be killed your own life may be in danger.
Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed.

Quintus Cicero

Ciceronem pro eius merito legionemque collaudat
He praised Cicero and his men very highly, as they deserved
Julius Caesar

Hail to thee Quintus brother of Marcus Cicero. You are a very different man to your brother whilst he is a man of words you are a man of action unlike your brother you have had a very good military career as a legate in Caesar’s conquest of Gaul. You were also a keen politician yourself writing one of the greatest books on Roman politics De petitione consulatus. You were also Aedile in 66 BCE and will be Praetor in 62 BCE.

Abilities
Clientele
You are part of Ciceros Clientele and will protect him from all those that try to harm him.
Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed.

Titus Pomponius Atticus

We are such intimate friends
Cicero

Hail to thee Atticus. You are Atticus a great friend of Cicero and philosopher. You are a great lover of all things Greek and one of the most intelligent men in Rome which is why you have avoided politics entirely in your life. You have preferred to own property and make large amounts of cash which allows you to partake in the activities that interest you.

Abilities

Clientele
You are part of Ciceros Clientele and will protect him from all those that try to harm him.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

Catiline

He had many things about him which served to allure men to the gratification of their passions; he had also many things which acted as incentives to industry and toil. The vices of lust raged in him; but at the same time he was conspicuous for great energy and military skill. Nor do I believe that there ever existed so strange a prodigy upon the earth, made up in such a manner of the most various, and different and inconsistent studies and desires.
Cicero on Catiline

Hail to thee Catiline. You are Catiline one of the leading young men of Rome. You are part of one of the greatest families in Rome however you have had trouble as of late. Over the years your families’ fortune as declined leaving you with little money but a superiority complex the size of Rome. You find anyone whose family is not as ancient as your to be inferior (i.e Most of Rome) for your ancestor came to Rome with Aneaus himself.

Abilities
Exilium
Currently you are not in Rome and are beyond the control of the Senate and thus you cannot be killed or lynched.

Propaganda
However you may still post in the Senate house through messengers however all posts must be in the format of a letter or written document.

Publius Cornelius Lentulus (Sura)

Would that he had been able to endure prosperity with greater self-control and adversity with more fortitude
Pollio

Hail to thee Sura. You are Sura second in command of the conspiracy to bring down the Republic. You are a strange man to be involved in such an act for you are a well-respected Senator who had being Consul in 71 BCE. However you were hungry for more power. In your youth you read a prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles which stated that three Cornelii would rule Rome the other two being Sulla and Cinna. You will do anything to ensure that it is you who ends up the third man.

Objectives
Kill all Senators and set fire to Rome

Abilities
Murder
You may select one person to attempt to murder someone every night

Gaius Cornelius Cethegus,
It is the failing of youth not to be able to restrain its own violence.
Seneca

Hail to thee Cethegus. You are Cethegus the second conspirator, the boldest and thhe most dangerous of Catiline's associates. Like many other youthful profligates, you joined the conspiracy in the hope of getting his debts cancelled. When Catiline left Rome in 63 BCE, after Cicero's first speech, You remained behind as leader of the conspirators with Lentulus Sura. You undertook to murder Cicero and other prominent men, but are being hampered by the dilatoriness of Sura, whose age and rank entitled him to the chief consideration.

Objectives
Kill all Senators and set fire to Rome

Abilities

Murder
You may select one person to attempt to murder someone every night

Cover Role

Gaius Cassius Longinus Varus

“Be silent as to services you have rendered, but speak of favors you have received.”
Seneca

Hail to thee Cassius. You are Cassius the former Consul and keen supporter of Pompey. It was you that supported him getting the command in the Eastern Wars over Lucullus. Apart from that your life has being fairly uneventful apart from one thing. It was you that was defeated by Spartacus in the earliest battle of the Gladiator Revolt to this day you have yet to live that down and are the but of many jokes throughout Rome.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed


Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Pompey the Great)

The more you know you're a man, the more you become a god
Plutarach

Hail to thee Imperator great man of Rome. You are Pompey Magnus great general and first amongst men in Rome. You are at the height of your power you have just defeated the greatest enemy that Rome has ever faced in Mithridates. You are returning home from the east when you here about what is happening you pitch your tent outside Rome and wait. You think that if things go badly you will be asked to lead the armed forces against Catiline. But there is one more thing that you have thought about. What with the constant stream of executions coming out of Rome what better time than now to get rid of your competition. Confidant in your imperium you are sure that it will be you that reigns supreme.

Objectives
Survive

Organise the deaths of Julius Caesar and Marcus Crassus.

Abilities
You may post propaganda on the Senate Walls send me a pm containing whatever it is you wish to say and it will be posted in the next write up. You may also ask me to send a message to Catiline


Julius Caesar

I had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.
Julius Caesar

Hail to thee Caesar great man of Rome. You are Caesar Praetor designate and the ultimate politician. As a man you take risks always doubling up risking more and more to get yourself into power and finally it is paying off. Whilst the amount you spent of the Adiele games nearly bankrupted you, you are now to be Praetor and after that Consul. Being the great political mind that you are you have realised that this whole business with Catiline allows for a great opportunity you can kill of your rivals under the name of protecting the Republic.

Objectives

Survive
Organise the deaths of Pompey Magnus and Marcus Crassus.

Abilities
You may post propaganda on the Senate Walls send me a pm containing whatever it is you wish to say and it will be posted in the next write up. You may also ask me to send a message to Catiline

Crassus

“Money is not the most important thing in the world. Love is. Fortunately, I love money.”
Traditional Proverb

Hail to thee Crassus richest man in Rome. You are Crassus one of the wealthiest men that ever lived in all of history. You have used your wealth time and time again to purchase that which people refuse to give you. You are not a man used to hearing no. This whole business with Catiline has given you an idea why not use this opportunity to get rid of those who oppose you in your quest to become the first man in Rome

Objectives
Survive

Organise the deaths of Pompey Magnus and Julius Caesar

Abilities
You may post propaganda on the Senate Walls send me a pm containing whatever it is you wish to say and it will be posted in the next write up. You may also ask me to send a message to Catiline

Gaius Antonius Hybrida

“Worthless people live only to eat and drink; people of worth eat and drink only to live.”
Socrates

Hail to thee Consul and leading man of Rome. You are Hybrida a man known for your vices. You have a mean streak that runs through you. Your nickname which translates as half beast comes from an incident in your youth where you maimed and tortured people in a province during the Social Wars. Normally you would be a follower of Catiline but Cicero has promised you that you shall be granted the province of Macedonia which will make you a very rich man indeed and lets just say Catiline will not be too pleased with you should he win so it is in your best interest to see Cicero survive.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed.

Abilities
Imperium
As a sitting Consul you have Imperium which entails immunity from prosecution thus you may not be exiled at any point.

Quintas Hortensius Hortalus

I can add, very sincerely, that in him I lamented the loss, not (as most people imagined) of a dangerous rival and competitor, but of a generous partner and companion in the pursuit of same.
Cicero

Hail to thee Hortensius. You are Hortensius the second greatest lawyer that Rome has ever produced. In your earlier years you were a constant opponent to Cicero defending many of the people Cicero prosecuted and vis versa. However in your older age you have become a good friend of his and these days you find yourself on the same side as Cicero. Like him you are a great defender of the Republic and will do all that you can to save it from the radicals.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis
(Cato the Younger)

“He speaks in the Senate as if he were living in Plato's Republic instead of Romulus' cesspool.”
Cicero on Cato

Hail to thee Cato. You are Cato the Younger an up and comer in the world of Rome. You are a household name in Rome known for your stubbornness well as your immunity to bribes, your moral integrity, and your famous distaste for the ubiquitous corruption of the period. Whilst many others pseak of integrity you are one of the few people who mean it. However your inability to compromise has made you many enemies in this world and even your friends grow weary of your inability to see the political reality.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

Lucius Licinius Lucullus

“Dost thou not know that to day Lucullus dines with Lucullus?”
Lucullus

Hail to thee Lucullus. You are the greatest of all Optimites the finest example of the type that ever lived. Whilst men like Pompey claimed to be good men they were far too new to the game to ever really be considered one of the group. You on the other hand are the grandson of a Consul and son of a praetor. You have a huge dislike of Pompey because he stole your glory in the east. You only recently gained the Triumph that had plagued your last few years. You are a fine General however in recent times you have retreated more and more from politics instead you spend your days in a haze of booze and food.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

Publius Cornelius Lentulus

“Force without wisdom falls of its own weight.”
- Quintus Horatius Flaccus

Hail to thee Spinther. You are Spinther the current Curule Aedile in Rome. You are part of the gens Cornelia one of the greatest off all families your first ancestor to reach the Consulship was all the way back in 485 BCE many centuries ago. Unlike many other families with such a long pedigree your family has kept its status as the leading family of Rome infact 30% of all Consuls ever are your ancestors. With this is mind there was only one direction your life could take and this is politics. You are on the second rung of politics and a good showing in this crisis could mean a Consulship is not too far away.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

Lucius Aemilius Lepidus Paullus

We can learn even from our enemies.”
- Publius Ovidius Naso

Hail to thee Lepidus. You are Lepidus part of one of the great poltical families of Rome with your brother you are bringing the name of your family back to centre stage where it belongs. For your father brought shame to your name by rebelling against Rome and for his troubles he was killed by Pompey. Whilst you agree with a lot of what Catiline is saying you disagree with his methods and will do much to prevent him from following through on his plan. For you know that if Catiline succeeds Pompey will come defeat and become the first man in Rome.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed.

Publius Clodius Pulcher

Publius Clodius, out from his saffron dress, from his headdress, from his Cinderella slippers and his purple ribbons, from his breast band, from his dereliction, from his lust, is suddenly rendered a democrat
Cicero

Hail to thee Pulcher. You are Pulcher one of the finest political minds of your generation and noted scandal maker. You early life has being eventful to say the least. You were recently involved in a great scandal involving you entering a female only event dressed as a woman. Whilst many Senators laughed the event off as the folly of youth others have not being so forgiving. Cicero in particular has being vicious implying all sorts of things in the Senate including that you have committed incest with your sister.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica

Scipio, the father-in-law of Gnaeus Pompeius: he was driven back upon the African coast by a head-wind and saw his ship in the power of the enemy. He therefore pierced his body with a sword; and when they asked where the commander was, he replied: 'All is well with the commander.' These words brought him up to the level of his ancestors and suffered not the glory which fate gave to the Scipios in Africa to lose its continuity. It was a great deed to conquer Carthage, but a greater deed to conquer death. 'All is well with the commander!' Ought a general to die otherwise, especially one of Cato's generals?
Seneca

Hail to thee Scipio great man of Rome. You are Scipio a roman of the old style and staunch Optimite. Like Lucallus you are descended from some of the greatest men that ever lived. In your case your families fame comes from your great great Uncle Scipio Africanus, the conqueror of Carthage. You hope that you to will reach the heights of power in Rome for as a man of your standing nothing less than the Consulship is good enough.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed





Publius Cornelius Lentulus
(Sura)

Would that he had been able to endure prosperity with greater self-control and adversity with more fortitude
Pollio

Hail to thee Sura. You are Sura second in command of the conspiracy to bring down the Republic. You are a strange man to be involved in such an act for you are a well-respected Senator who had being Consul in 71 BCE. However you were hungry for more power. In your youth you read a prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles which stated that three Cornelii would rule Rome the other two being Sulla and Cinna. You will do anything to ensure that it is you who ends up the third man.

Objectives
Kill all Senators and set fire to Rome with your fellow conspirator Cethegus (ByzantineKnight) Catiline is waiting outside Rome to hear words of your victory do not disappoint him.

Abilities
Murder
You may select one person to attempt to murder someone every night


Here is a cover PM


Marcus Caelius Rufus

“He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason”
Cicero

Hail to thee Rufus. You are Rufus up and coming lawyer studying under the watchful eye of Cicero. You flirted with joining Catiline in this endeavour but your loyalty to your teacher Cicero prevented you from doing this. To that end you are now going to do all that is possible to see Cicero live for is he survives you will be well on your way to gaining power yourself.

Objectives
See to it that all threats to the Republic are destroyed

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah well, I know other people have posted up a storm with the "unlynchable confirmed mafia" role but I couldn't help but think the best strategy was just to sit tight...

Also, sorry GE :sweatdrop:

[Secura]

I bet Secura is one of the mafia, her lurking is kind of scummy. :wink:

Ha! I don't lurk, you cheeky git.

If you must know, Beskar told me that he and Romanic were Csargo's bodyguards; once both of them were killed, I didn't bother continuing to play, it was a mafia victory without question, and deservedly so.

[johnhughthom]

Good game Capt B, you clearly put a lot into the roles and writeups. Pity I died so early. Well played Catalines.

[TheFlax]

Congratulations to the mafia although I despise the way this game went.

I feel terrible not being present for the final day and the lack of activity on certain days was certainly lame, although I am glad to finally have a mafia win in a small/large game after nearly 2 years of play. :clown:

Thanks for hosting Captain Blackadder, its obvious you put a lot of effort into it with the excellent historical feeling writeups. I enjoyed reading them a great deal. :yes:

Mafia QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/ngaFccwtABEw)

[Winston Hughes]

Disappointed in the mafia:shame:

If you make a deal with the devil... :disappointed:

I hoped the three of us could do our business without recourse to assisting the villains. If any one of us did, it was always likely to end up this way.

[ByzantineKnight]

Sorry God Emperor :\ I'm not entirely sure why we ended up lynching you

and thanks for a great game everyone! I coulnd't have asked for a more fun first game back! :balloon2::balloon2:

@Captain Blackadder I loved the atmosphere you created in this game, it is probably one of the best small mafia games I've ever played! :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Why do I get the feeling....that this game is the "swan song" of the game room at the Org?:bigcry:

Well, I had some great times anyway...well played mafia~:cheers:

[God Emperor]

For obvious reasons I am not very pleased with this game's ending. But thanks for hosting the game Captain Blackadder :) , you obviously had put a lot of work into this game and it was nice to play. :bow: . Townie inactivity was huge but I hope that will turn soon

[Double A]

Just so everyone knows, if I lived in Australia, I probably would have had the chance to make a difference.

So therefore Bladders should move to America.

[Joooray]

Good game, Captain, I enjoyed your write-ups very much.
Obviously I'm also disappointed how the game went. Still looking forward to the day the GM gets it's activity back. :sad:

Anyway, congratulation to the mafia, well played. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Ha! I don't lurk, you cheeky git.

If you must know, Beskar told me that he and Romanic were Csargo's bodyguards; once both of them were killed, I didn't bother continuing to play, it was a mafia victory without question, and deservedly so.You were lurking harder then me...:laugh4:

I stand by this, I only had a few minutes to post every time anyway. My second comment was childish though.:shrug:

[Captain Blackadder]

Just so everyone knows, if I lived in Australia, I probably would have had the chance to make a difference.

So therefore Bladders should move to America.

Well at least you got an epic death scene out of it killing yourself rather than seeing the Republic fall.

[Diamondeye]

I agree with others in that the writeup and the feel of the game was awesome. But the... Uhm, events of the game were dissatisfactory. One could argue that having no investigators/trackers/anything combined with three neutral roles who sought each other dead was a little much to chew on, but first and foremost I blame inactivity.
@God Emperor; I'm glad you didn't turn out to be mafia, I couldn't get a proper read on you. Your role partially explains that :tongue:

[Romanic]

Thanks for the game Captain Blackadder! :2thumbsup:

Congrats mafia team!

Not going to comment about the activity level.

[Double A]

Well at least you got an epic death scene out of it killing yourself rather than seeing the Republic fall.

Epic death is epic. :2thumbsup:

[Secura]

You were lurking harder then me...:laugh4:

Right, if you say so; I know differently.


And Beskar said it's "game over" and so it was game over for you?

I happened to visit Beskar during the Day Phase after his death, and we discussed the game at length; I outright asked him who his role was... to which he stated that it was obvious he was one of Cicero's bodyguards and Romanic was the other, leaving our hero Csargo exposed to Cataline's forces.

No matter who we would have lynched, the mafia had won by that point; coupled with real life obligations, I saw no point continuing to pour my time, effort and heart into a game that we had lost.


I hope I am never on your side in a mafia game.

You will never again have to worry about that occurence, WE.