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Is it really it's purpose to be believed, or is it's very purpose to not to be believed in the first place, nothing but the humiliation of those questioning the claim.
Rhyfelwyr
10-10-2010, 14:20
Is this about global warming? As for the question, I guess it depends? :shrug:
Just remember: It's not a lie if you believe it.
rory_20_uk
10-10-2010, 19:41
Depends on the lie.
~:smoking:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-10-2010, 20:56
Just remember: It's not a lie if you believe it.
That's not true.
In a world of lies, the truth is revolutionary.
Louis VI the Fat
10-10-2010, 22:28
I have never spoken a truth, including now
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Strike For The South
10-10-2010, 22:43
I have never spoken a truth, including now
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Harlot IMO
Depends on the intention: to tell the truth to a parent about the most ugly new born child you ever see is mercy and social peace. To lie to some body in the process of dying but terrify by death is acceptable.
Lies are made to be believed.
Sometimes we believe lies because it is easier than to accept the reality. It makes life easier.
However, is to not telling the truth a lie? To hind an element you know about something, is it a lie?
Lie (as hypocrisy) is a social necessity in order to be able to live in society.
Louis VI the Fat
10-10-2010, 23:22
HarlotAfter two beers, there is very little I would not do a fiver, so yes I immediately plead guilty to being a cheap slut. But did you discover the paradox in my post? It has puzzled Greek philosophy for millenia now. At least since Epimenides, who insipred me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
Strike For The South
10-10-2010, 23:25
After two beers, there is very little I would not do a fiver, so yes I immediately plead guilty to being a cheap slut. But did you discover the paradox in my post? It has puzzled Greek philosophy for millenia now. At least since Epimenides, who insipred me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
Yes I'm well aware of the paradox. Me and every first year philosophy student who tries to sound deep so he can get laid.
I'm begging to think you've gotten married. Losing your edge.
But I can't quit you :sad:
Louis VI the Fat
10-10-2010, 23:41
Losing your edge. Yes well I may have lost my edge, but I'm not the one sleeping around with fat Poles. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131072-Journalists-are-persons-affected-with-mild-mental-retardation&p=2053216281#post2053216281)
None of the above is a lie.
Strike For The South
10-10-2010, 23:42
Yes well I may have lost my edge, but I'm not the one sleeping around with fat Poles. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131072-Journalists-are-persons-affected-with-mild-mental-retardation&p=2053216281#post2053216281)
None of the above is a lie.
I stand corrected
Touche good sir
Touche indeed
Hosakawa Tito
10-11-2010, 10:29
Trust me, I'm a liar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDzFDFLZvno
Lies are made to be believed.
Not so sure about that, I think it can have the purpose to insult someones intelligence, to humiliate. If you have to live the lie you become part of it, I think that's the real purpose of propaganda, to make you feel powerless.
Tellos Athenaios
10-11-2010, 11:13
After two beers, there is very little I would not do a fiver, so yes I immediately plead guilty to being a cheap slut. But did you discover the paradox in my post? It has puzzled Greek philosophy for millenia now. At least since Epimenides, who insipred me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
There's no paradox if you lied in that post. See for that statement to be false all that is necessary is for you to have uttered truth once, not necessarily in that post.
Me, I prefer the axiom of choice.
gaelic cowboy
10-11-2010, 19:30
Not so sure about that, I think it can have the purpose to insult someones intelligence, to humiliate. If you have to live the lie you become part of it, I think that's the real purpose of propaganda, to make you feel powerless.
No lies are not to make people feel powerless sometimes a lie can empower people whereas the truth may actually rob them of power.
Therefore I would say lies are for control pure and simple but the control can vary from harmful to beneficial control.
It can be so the person telling the lie can control a delicate social situation or it can be so they can actually control another person.
Was thinking about poor Neda, supposedly shot by foreign western agensts according to the beards. Who actually believes that, nobody does.
Seamus Fermanagh
10-12-2010, 12:18
Was thinking about poor Neda, supposedly shot by foreign western agensts according to the beards. Who actually believes that, nobody does.
Sadly, Frags, there are most likely a few folks who do believe the official line. Remember, for a repressive regime, providing some form of "fig leaf" for their actions is a useful tool for keeping the regime's "true believer" cadre supportive and motivated. They may be only a percent or two of an entire group, but because they are "in the trenches" and adamant in their support, dissent is discouraged as others seek to avoid confrontation with these true believers. That lie was not crafted to be believed whole cloth by everyone -- only to help it's target audience stay focused.
al Roumi
10-12-2010, 17:04
Was thinking about poor Neda, supposedly shot by foreign western agensts according to the beards. Who actually believes that, nobody does.
"Lie" and "truth" start to sound a bit naive when you think of the multiplicity of perspectives or consider information as a commodity or tool.
gaelic cowboy
10-13-2010, 02:59
Don't forget people have the ability sometimes to believe two totally contradictory things you know Double Think and all that craic
Seamus Fermanagh
10-13-2010, 03:35
Don't forget people have the ability sometimes to believe two totally contradictory things you know Double Think and all that craic
Research suggests that most people do not have a tolerance for major ambiguity -- at least in any prolonged situation. That was my point. The lie allows the hard core followers to explain away the ambiguity and return to their mental comfort zone. This does not have anything to do, necessarily, with the truth. Obviously, some will resolve the ambiguity the other way and support will be lost. Done long enough and broadly enough, and you have the culture of the late Soviet Union.
Vladimir
10-14-2010, 00:38
Trust me, I'm a liar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDzFDFLZvno
I feel so old now. :sad:
Heh, that's the best you have?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwVavtDBZ9E
I was going to find "You Know I Love You" by Ronnie Hawkins and The Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hawks), which fits perfectly with a topic that's about lies. As I cannot find that, I've posted "Up On Cripple Creek" by the same Hawks. There's also lies in that:Levon Helm can yodel
Samurai Waki
10-17-2010, 12:50
I take great offense to liars, and lying. I've never lied in my life, but I have on quite few occasions stretched the truth to the point where it no longer is the truth. Untruths you might call them.
al Roumi
10-19-2010, 13:05
I take great offense to liars, and lying. I've never lied in my life, but I have on quite few occasions stretched the truth to the point where it no longer is the truth. Untruths you might call them.
You're lieing to yourself.
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