Is it really it's purpose to be believed, or is it's very purpose to not to be believed in the first place, nothing but the humiliation of those questioning the claim.
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Is it really it's purpose to be believed, or is it's very purpose to not to be believed in the first place, nothing but the humiliation of those questioning the claim.
Last edited by Fragony; 10-10-2010 at 13:16.
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Is this about global warming? As for the question, I guess it depends?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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Just remember: It's not a lie if you believe it.
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Depends on the lie.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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That's not true.Originally Posted by drone
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In a world of lies, the truth is revolutionary.
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Harlot IMOI have never spoken a truth, including now
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My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Depends on the intention: to tell the truth to a parent about the most ugly new born child you ever see is mercy and social peace. To lie to some body in the process of dying but terrify by death is acceptable.
Lies are made to be believed.
Sometimes we believe lies because it is easier than to accept the reality. It makes life easier.
However, is to not telling the truth a lie? To hind an element you know about something, is it a lie?
Lie (as hypocrisy) is a social necessity in order to be able to live in society.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
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After two beers, there is very little I would not do a fiver, so yes I immediately plead guilty to being a cheap slut. But did you discover the paradox in my post? It has puzzled Greek philosophy for millenia now. At least since Epimenides, who insipred me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox
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Yes I'm well aware of the paradox. Me and every first year philosophy student who tries to sound deep so he can get laid.
I'm begging to think you've gotten married. Losing your edge.
But I can't quit you
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Yes well I may have lost my edge, but I'm not the one sleeping around with fat Poles.
None of the above is a lie.
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I stand corrected
Touche good sir
Touche indeed
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Trust me, I'm a liar.
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Not so sure about that, I think it can have the purpose to insult someones intelligence, to humiliate. If you have to live the lie you become part of it, I think that's the real purpose of propaganda, to make you feel powerless.
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There's no paradox if you lied in that post. See for that statement to be false all that is necessary is for you to have uttered truth once, not necessarily in that post.
Me, I prefer the axiom of choice.
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No lies are not to make people feel powerless sometimes a lie can empower people whereas the truth may actually rob them of power.
Therefore I would say lies are for control pure and simple but the control can vary from harmful to beneficial control.
It can be so the person telling the lie can control a delicate social situation or it can be so they can actually control another person.
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a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
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Was thinking about poor Neda, supposedly shot by foreign western agensts according to the beards. Who actually believes that, nobody does.
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Sadly, Frags, there are most likely a few folks who do believe the official line. Remember, for a repressive regime, providing some form of "fig leaf" for their actions is a useful tool for keeping the regime's "true believer" cadre supportive and motivated. They may be only a percent or two of an entire group, but because they are "in the trenches" and adamant in their support, dissent is discouraged as others seek to avoid confrontation with these true believers. That lie was not crafted to be believed whole cloth by everyone -- only to help it's target audience stay focused.
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"Lie" and "truth" start to sound a bit naive when you think of the multiplicity of perspectives or consider information as a commodity or tool.
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Don't forget people have the ability sometimes to believe two totally contradictory things you know Double Think and all that craic
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
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Research suggests that most people do not have a tolerance for major ambiguity -- at least in any prolonged situation. That was my point. The lie allows the hard core followers to explain away the ambiguity and return to their mental comfort zone. This does not have anything to do, necessarily, with the truth. Obviously, some will resolve the ambiguity the other way and support will be lost. Done long enough and broadly enough, and you have the culture of the late Soviet Union.
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I feel so old now.
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Heh, that's the best you have?
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I take great offense to liars, and lying. I've never lied in my life, but I have on quite few occasions stretched the truth to the point where it no longer is the truth. Untruths you might call them.
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You're lieing to yourself.
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