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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-09-2010, 16:11
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8118026/Gay-sperm-donor-fights-lesbian-mother-over-access-to-children.html
So, a woman and her Civil Partner are trying to restrict access for the father.
How did they meet?
He placed an ad as a Gay man looking for Lesbians to father children with.
The result is the sorry and absurd mess. It looks to me that the mother may even be trying to use her Civil Partnership with her, ahem, partner as leverage to demonstrate the actual father isn't needed.
My opinion?
This is the logical result of homosexuals shopping for children without having an underlying relationship with each other. I'm more than happy to concede this could happen between two heterosxual couples, but it is considerably less likely for what I think are obvious reasons.
The Stranger
11-09-2010, 16:20
ye... it is becoming hype.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2010, 16:25
This is the logical result of homosexuals shopping for children without having an underlying relationship with each other. I'm more than happy to concede this could happen between two heterosxual couples, but it is considerably less likely for what I think are obvious reasons.
What's your conclusion?
Well, they should have used a official anonymous sperm donation instead, but there is no fundamental problem a gay couple having a child. Though adoption should be the preferred method.
The fundamental issue is from the advert, it looks like the kids where meant to be shared anyway.
The Stranger
11-09-2010, 16:33
why should adoption be preferred?
Feel kinda stoopid for once protesting it, no problem
why should adoption be preferred?
Because they need homes and love. Since Homosexual couples cannot naturally reproduce anyway...
rory_20_uk
11-09-2010, 16:46
But they probably have the same biological desire to have children that are genetically their own.
~:smoking:
HoreTore
11-09-2010, 17:07
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8118026/Gay-sperm-donor-fights-lesbian-mother-over-access-to-children.html
So, a woman and her Civil Partner are trying to restrict access for the father.
How did they meet?
He placed an ad as a Gay man looking for Lesbians to father children with.
The result is the sorry and absurd mess. It looks to me that the mother may even be trying to use her Civil Partnership with her, ahem, partner as leverage to demonstrate the actual father isn't needed.
My opinion?
This is the logical result of homosexuals shopping for children without having an underlying relationship with each other. I'm more than happy to concede this could happen between two heterosxual couples, but it is considerably less likely for what I think are obvious reasons.
Yeah, custody battles are rare.
But they probably have the same biological desire to have children that are genetically their own.
~:smoking:
Such projectionism certainly should be in any debate imo, it simply isn't possible and wanting the world to pretend things are all normal.. it isn't possible yet we must act as if it is. B ut the child has two fathers, or two moms, and they love it. I am deeply uncomfortable with it but reality says I'm simply wrong and that they are excellent parents.
But they probably have the same biological desire to have children that are genetically their own.
~:smoking:
That's impossible though, it would only be genetically their "own" to one of them and in the case of male couples, no way to conceive.
There is always the benefit of no pregnancy too.
rory_20_uk
11-09-2010, 17:27
Better one than none.
Two women might be able to have their eggs fused to be a female child.
Men could have some IVF magic done with their DNA and an empty ovum.
~:smoking:
That's impossible though, it would only be genetically their "own" to one of them and in the case of male couples, no way to conceive.
There is always the benefit of no pregnancy too.
But that is the point really, it's simply not possible. Gays can never be more than being tolerated, how could they be anything more.
The Stranger
11-09-2010, 17:36
adoption is overrated.
adoption is underrated.
Corrected.
Corrected.
Sure, but can't have what you can' have just because you really want it, and I think wanting what you can't have is unhealthy. Gays can't be equal, not my words mother nature says so.
Strike For The South
11-09-2010, 17:53
Sure, but can't have what you can' have just because you really want it, and I think wanting what you can't have is unhealthy. Gays can't be equal, not my words mother says so.
What?
So what about sterile hetero couples or does Deus vult apply to them as well?
What?
So what about sterile hetero couples or does Deus vult apply to them as well?
I am not against it, but Rory raises a fair point when it comes to genetics, and in the end it remains pretending. Or rather asking others to play in their theatre when demanding respect. Genes won't pass, that's the uncomfortable truth. Lie to yourself no problem with me, but it just isnlt the same thing. I wish them all the best and they are probably best parents ever.
The Stranger
11-09-2010, 18:22
Corrected.
not at all. specially cross continent/culture adoption fails epically.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-09-2010, 18:24
Well, they should have used a official anonymous sperm donation instead, but there is no fundamental problem a gay couple having a child. Though adoption should be the preferred method.
The fundamental issue is from the advert, it looks like the kids where meant to be shared anyway.
Sperm donation is no longer anonymous, at 18 the child can hunt you down - at which point you would probably find yourself obligated (unless you just lack compassion).
But they probably have the same biological desire to have children that are genetically their own.
~:smoking:
There's the rub though, without extremely complex and unnatural genetic shennanigins it isn't possible, so what they actually have is the desire to obtain children, but not the desire to go through the process of getting them, which should include a relationship with the other parent. After all, you're committing the rest of your life to caring for something that is 50% someone else.
I'd blummin' well want to know that other 50% inside and out, wouldn't you?
al Roumi
11-09-2010, 18:44
There's the rub though, without extremely complex and unnatural genetic shennanigins it isn't possible, so what they actually have is the desire to obtain children, but not the desire to go through the process of getting them, which should include a relationship with the other parent. After all, you're committing the rest of your life to caring for something that is 50% someone else.
I'd blummin' well want to know that other 50% inside and out, wouldn't you?
I'm not sure you can say that for all gay's who want children. Most who seek adoption will (should be required to) be in stable, long term relationships.
As with hetero's seeking adoption as an individual (not a couple), I'd be reluctant to allow gays to do the same -for the same reasons as heteros.
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 00:40
Sperm donation is no longer anonymous, at 18 the child can hunt you down - at which point you would probably find yourself obligated (unless you just lack compassion).
There's the rub though, without extremely complex and unnatural genetic shennanigins it isn't possible, so what they actually have is the desire to obtain children, but not the desire to go through the process of getting them, which should include a relationship with the other parent. After all, you're committing the rest of your life to caring for something that is 50% someone else.
I'd blummin' well want to know that other 50% inside and out, wouldn't you?
why??????????????????
a completely inoffensive name
11-10-2010, 01:03
Obviously from the way these specific homosexuals have been acting in this case, I think it is safe to say that homosexuals are inferior at parenting, yet another reason why it is ridiculous for them for be ale to marry. My case is backed up by obvious facts which support my idea that I do not have to explain.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 01:26
Well the logic I often hear for homosexual adoption isn't exactly great either, tends to go:
1. Some people say Heterosexual couples are best for children
2. Heterosexual couples often raise messed up kids
3. Homosexual adoption won't be any worse
A lot of variables affect how well a kid turns out, the point is that regardless of the other parenting attributes of homosexuals, the fact that they are homosexual is going to be bad in itself.
In the same way that it's best not to just be raised by a single mum, or by a grandparent, it's best not to have two dads. :shrug:
That's what I thought as well, but it just isn't true. Kids don't understand the difference having two dads is just great fun.
ajaxfetish
11-10-2010, 03:00
There's the rub though, without extremely complex and unnatural genetic shennanigins it isn't possible, so what they actually have is the desire to obtain children, but not the desire to go through the process of getting them, which should include a relationship with the other parent. After all, you're committing the rest of your life to caring for something that is 50% someone else.
I'd blummin' well want to know that other 50% inside and out, wouldn't you?
Am I misunderstanding you here, or are you implying that the relationships between adoptive parents and their children are even worse than cases such as these? In those cases, you'd be caring for something that is 100% someone else. Does that mean less if you don't know those other two individuals inside and out?
Anyway, if you're going to cite anecdotal evidence against lesbians raising children, I'll cite the case of my aunt and her partner of the last couple decades and the two beautiful children they have (elementary and jr. high age). Both kids are 50% my aunt and 50% a friend who served as a donor. No custody battles or antagonism, and my aunt's partner is just as much the kids' parent as my aunt is, genetic investment or no.
Ajax
It's perfectly possible that gays do it for themselve even if they don't realise it, to feel normal, not that far a stretch.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 03:21
That's what I thought as well, but it just isn't true. Kids don't understand the difference having two dads is just great fun.
I don't know... if I think I was a child, and imagine having two men standing there for parents, it just seems too wrong.
I think most children are the same by nature. Anecdotal I know but who are we to subject children to our loftier political ideals, if they don't like it they don't like it.
Not saying homosexuals can't compensate by being otherwise perfect parents, but the perfect heterosexual parents are always going to be better than the otherwise perfect homosexual parents. Kids need the right rolemodels. Unless having homosexual parents really does turn them gay, they will be in a one man/woman relationship in later life.
Gender roles, social realities etc... sucks but that's how the world works.
My intuition agrees with you it feels wrong to me, but we are the ones that should grow up and get over it. We are the only ones causing a problem as long as we don't, gender roles matter only in the eyes of the beholder.
tibilicus
11-10-2010, 04:37
Good lord, DD has truly marked his presence in this thread.
ROFL@ambulane one
JOOOOHOOOOOOO <- gay owl, inmagic that
I don't know... if I think I was a child, and imagine having two men standing there for parents, it just seems too wrong.
I never had problems with step-parents. It is basically the same thing.
Only wrong thing about it is your negative view of homosexuality is tainting your view. Most children won't care and it only becomes an issue when they get behaviors from others saying it is wrong for them to have two dads. So the only issue is in the bigotry of individuals who pass these on to vulnerable children.
PanzerJaeger
11-10-2010, 07:40
I'm not sure you can say that for all gay's who want children. Most who seek adoption will (should be required to) be in stable, long term relationships.
Thank you.
I'd just like to add for emphasis how patently ridiculous it is for the OP to attempt to extrapolate from this one odd case some greater observation on gay parenting as a whole. Does the OP have any hard data on how common such situations are?
Here are some actual facts (http://www.cwla.org/programs/culture/glbtqposition.htm) about gay parenting I was able to find in about three minutes worth of googling. Mind you, they aren't single, isolated stories I found in the press, but they may be of some limited value:
Existing Social Science Research Supporting Same-Sex Parenting
Existing research comparing lesbian and gay parents to heterosexual parents, and children of lesbian and gay parents to children of heterosexual parents, shows that common negative stereotypes are not supported (Patterson, 1995). Likewise, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are unfit parents have no empirical foundation (American Psychological Association, 1995).
A growing body of scientific evidence demonstrates that children who grow up with one or two parents who are gay or lesbian fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Evidence shows that children's optimal development is influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by its particular structural form (Perrin, 2002).
Studies using diverse samples and methodologies in the last decade have persuasively demonstrated that there are no systematic differences between gay or lesbian and non-gay or lesbian parents in emotional health, parenting skills, and attitudes toward parenting (Stacey & Biblarz, 2001). No studies have found risks to or disadvantages for children growing up in families with one or more gay parents, compared to children growing up with heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002). Indeed, evidence to date suggests home environments provided by lesbian and gay parents support and enable children's psychosocial growth, just as do those provided by heterosexual parents (Patterson, 1995).
Prevalent heterosexism, sexual prejudice, homophobia, and resulting stigmatization might lead to teasing, bullying, and embarrassment for children about their parent's sexual orientation or their family constellation, restricting their ability to form and maintain friendships. Nevertheless, children seem to cope well with the challenges of understanding and describing their families to peers and teachers (Perrin, 2002). CWLA concludes that problems associated with such family formations do not emanate from within the family unit, but from prejudicial forces on the outside. Children of gay, lesbian, and bisexual parents are better served when society works to eliminate harmful, prejudicial attitudes directed toward them and their families.
Cute Wolf
11-10-2010, 11:24
Obviously from the way these specific homosexuals have been acting in this case, I think it is safe to say that homosexuals are inferior at parenting, yet another reason why it is ridiculous for them for be ale to marry. My case is backed up by obvious facts which support my idea that I do not have to explain.
Why not they try another alternatives? both lesbians marrying that gay guy... at least, when they are at home, no one will bother what tey dp
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 11:42
That's what I thought as well, but it just isn't true. Kids don't understand the difference having two dads is just great fun.
that may very well be true, but a kid from afghanistan, china, or zimbabwe will one day grow up and understand that his 2 dads can never be his real biological roots, and even though the kid will most likely love them as his parents (if they have done a good job) the kid will most likely get a identity crisis, will spend 2 years of his life hunting down his real parents for better or worse and half the world will be watching another hidieous episode of Spoorloos...
i say if you have to adopt... plz adopt your neigbours unwanted 17th child (as a matter of speaking... ofcourse it is best not to adopt anything of your neighbours, they might steal it back :P)
a completely inoffensive name
11-10-2010, 11:46
Why not they try another alternatives? both lesbians marrying that gay guy... at least, when they are at home, no one will bother what tey dp
Why don't you try having having a relationship with a man. Hold him, kiss him, love him. If you don't think you could ever do that to someone outside your sexual preference, then why are you asking a gay person to do the same?
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 11:48
My intuition agrees with you it feels wrong to me, but we are the ones that should grow up and get over it. We are the only ones causing a problem as long as we don't, gender roles matter only in the eyes of the beholder.
actually why are we the ones in this case? and not in the case of something like fur trade, eugenetics programmes, chopping rainforests in indonesia and poluting lakes in china...
We is me really, if I'm honest about myself I'm slightly anti-gay, I support their rights, and gay bashers disgust me, but am still all ewwwwwww. Since nobody has a problem with it, and there are no problems, I'm the only problem.
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 12:42
but that is not true. logic is flawed and facts are wrong. a lot of people have a problem with it, and you can just dismiss them as smallminded people, but that is actually not the case. secondly, it is still under debate if there are no problems. and even if it were so that there would be no one else that had a problem with it, but you would be the only one, this would not mean that you were wrong.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 13:11
I don't know I still think homophobia is deeper rooted. Gay people truly creeped me out when I was a kid, long before there was any religious influence there. Now, I was kind of crazy as a kid in being creeped out a random things, but I'm pretty sure homophobia is pretty common and I don't think it can all be put down to social conditioning.
People don't choose to be homophobic, they are just born that way! :embarassed:
Being small-minded is just rejecting other peoples arguments and refusing to question your own, I don't call people small-minded if they are against this or that. There is only one line I draw and that is a call to harm, up to there everything is fair game to me, and I'll happily defend arguments I don't really agree with or believe in. Logic is not flawed, I have no reason to object.
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 13:15
Since nobody has a problem with it, and there are no problems, I'm the only problem.
that is logically pretty flawed. it is a conclusion you cannot make from the premisses. you might be the only one with a problem but that doesnt make you wrong per se. that is besides the fact that there are more people who do have a problem with it, than people who (say they) dont.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 13:23
I realise this is unfair to raise as a point as an argument, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.
I suspect most of the people that say they support homosexual adoption aren't really OK with it. People are just like that generally, we're not meant to be liberal by human nature. My parents aren't racist at all, but if I was to tell them I had a black girlfriend, I know they just wouldn't be comfortable with it.
that is logically pretty flawed. it is a conclusion you cannot make from the premisses. you might be the only one with a problem but that doesnt make you wrong per se. that is besides the fact that there are more people who do have a problem with it, than people who (say they) dont.
I don't say I'm wrong I just changed my mind. There is nothing that speaks against gay parenting but society not accepting it, doesn't mean I have to support it I am rather conservative on some things.
I realise this is unfair to raise as a point as an argument, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.
I suspect most of the people that say they support homosexual adoption aren't really OK with it. People are just like that generally, we're not meant to be liberal by human nature. My parents aren't racist at all, but if I was to tell them I had a black girlfriend, I know they just wouldn't be comfortable with it.
Sure, we are xenophobic by nature. We are natural racists as well. What's the problem really as long as skulls don't get whacked, I never understood the need to fight it.
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 13:41
so gay parenting is at odds with the realm of nature and the realm of culture/society...
so gay parenting is at odds with the realm of nature and the realm of culture/society...
Looks more like culture/society is at odds with nature to me, but does that really matter to culture/society, it's a realm of it's own
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 14:06
Sure, we are xenophobic by nature. We are natural racists as well. What's the problem really as long as skulls don't get whacked, I never understood the need to fight it.
So are you saying that kids could by nature be homophobic? Wouldn't it then be unfair to expect them to have homosexual parents?
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 14:06
Looks more like culture/society is at odds with nature to me, but does that really matter to culture/society, it's a realm of it's own
it is. but if this is the case There is nothing that speaks against gay parenting but society not accepting it, than it seems that culture/society is not at odds with nature but gay parenting at odds with both.
it is. but if this is the case There is nothing that speaks against gay parenting but society not accepting it, than it seems that culture/society is not at odds with nature but gay parenting at odds with both.
Show me where problems occur that aren't based on society not accepting it
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 14:34
Show me where problems occur that aren't based on society not accepting it
What problems would be raised by having a kid raised by two adults not in a relationship? What problems woud be raised by the kid having ten parents? Why can't these people adopt kids (I'm presuming they can't, or are at least given lower priority)?
It's more abstract that saying it won't work because of x, but it boils down to the fact that we all (including children) by nature think that it just ain't right.
What problems would be raised by having a kid raised by two adults not in a relationship? What problems woud be raised by the kid having ten parents? Why can't these people adopt kids (I'm presuming they can't, or are at least given lower priority)?
It's more abstract that saying it won't work because of x, but it boils down to the fact that we all (including children) by nature think that it just ain't right.
They are in a relationship, but I'm not sure of their motivations for having (needing?) a child. There is something wrong here, I think they try to hard to be accepted as equals. But it simply isn't possible.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-10-2010, 16:05
I'm not sure you can say that for all gay's who want children. Most who seek adoption will (should be required to) be in stable, long term relationships.
As with hetero's seeking adoption as an individual (not a couple), I'd be reluctant to allow gays to do the same -for the same reasons as heteros.
This isn't a case of adoption though, this is a case of two people in stable relationships hooking up genetically, as homosexuals, to have childen. It's different to having a surrogate, or a sperm doner. Both this man and this womans wanted children that were biologically theirs but instead of seeking out someone they were compatable with, they sought out someone else who (like them) was homosexual and therefore not going to have children via the normal means.
Am I misunderstanding you here, or are you implying that the relationships between adoptive parents and their children are even worse than cases such as these? In those cases, you'd be caring for something that is 100% someone else. Does that mean less if you don't know those other two individuals inside and out?
Anyway, if you're going to cite anecdotal evidence against lesbians raising children, I'll cite the case of my aunt and her partner of the last couple decades and the two beautiful children they have (elementary and jr. high age). Both kids are 50% my aunt and 50% a friend who served as a donor. No custody battles or antagonism, and my aunt's partner is just as much the kids' parent as my aunt is, genetic investment or no.
Ajax
No, I'm not implying anything about adoption - that is a completely different process where you choose to love a child someone else didn't, this is a case of two people wanting biological children who are "theirs" but obviously not properly vetting the other person first. So they wanted to create life themselves, but weren't careful about who they did it with.
Look at it this way, if two heterosexuals meet in a bar, have it off, and then have a baby we generally think that is a bad way to go about things. These two have more or less done a very similar thing, by the looks of it, and yet people are defending their choice because they have sanitised it.
I don't know I still think homophobia is deeper rooted. Gay people truly creeped me out when I was a kid, long before there was any religious influence there. Now, I was kind of crazy as a kid in being creeped out a random things, but I'm pretty sure homophobia is pretty common and I don't think it can all be put down to social conditioning.
People don't choose to be homophobic, they are just born that way! :embarassed:
Generally, homophobia is a result of sexual insecurity, as you mature in your own sexuality other people's orientations mean less and less to you.
What problems would be raised by having a kid raised by two adults not in a relationship? What problems woud be raised by the kid having ten parents? Why can't these people adopt kids (I'm presuming they can't, or are at least given lower priority)?
It's more abstract that saying it won't work because of x, but it boils down to the fact that we all (including children) by nature think that it just ain't right.
Here's a head doer for you:
How many people were involved in raising you?
I haven't counted, but it probably 5-10 for me, depedning on my stage of life, and often there was someone "else" there when one or other parents wasn't up to scratch in their gender role.
So, just in case it isn't clear yet, if you want to castigate me for saying "the evil Gays shouldn't adopt" you're punching a badly stuffed strawman.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 16:31
Generally, homophobia is a result of sexual insecurity, as you mature in your own sexuality other people's orientations mean less and less to you.
Yeah yeah, this line is always used since it is easy to malign the other person with and means they can't counter without shooting themselves in the foot and looking more 'insecure'.
If things really work that way, why would children be homophobic if they don't even have any sexuality?
Here's a head doer for you:
How many people were involved in raising you?
I haven't counted, but it probably 5-10 for me, depedning on my stage of life, and often there was someone "else" there when one or other parents wasn't up to scratch in their gender role.
So, just in case it isn't clear yet, if you want to castigate me for saying "the evil Gays shouldn't adopt" you're punching a badly stuffed strawman.
For me, 3 probably, although I guess it will often be more for other people. Both my parents, and my Gran that lives nearby. In terms of time spent with people my Gran probably was in the lead up until I turned maybe 12 or so.
They are in a relationship, but I'm not sure of their motivations for having (needing?) a child. There is something wrong here, I think they try to hard to be accepted as equals. But it simply isn't possible.
But why should they have to be in a relationship to adopt a child? See where I'm going with that... asking why homosexuals would be just as good parents is kind of like asking to prove a negative, since it is assumed that one mum/dad is what works best. Sure you could say don't assume but everyone does it whether they admit it or not. Otherwise you would have to ask why there can only be two parents, why they have to be in a civil marriage (for the UK at least).
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-10-2010, 16:57
Yeah yeah, this line is always used since it is easy to malign the other person with and means they can't counter without shooting themselves in the foot and looking more 'insecure'.
If things really work that way, why would children be homophobic if they don't even have any sexuality?
Homosexuality is also "deviant" in that most people don't do it. Children hunt in packs, so any devianjce is brutaly crushed.
Strike For The South
11-10-2010, 17:20
Why are children scared of gays?
Um becuase they are different?
kids also eat insects and want McDonalds for there 3 squares, Since when did kids become the driving force for social decisons?
HoreTore
11-10-2010, 17:23
Why are children scared of gays?
Um becuase they are different?
kids also eat insects and want McDonalds for there 3 squares, Since when did kids become the driving force for social decisons?
Apparently, whenever homophobes need an excuse to continue their discrimination.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 17:27
Since when did kids become the driving force for social decisons?
Maybe homosexuals just need to learn that it's not all about them?
Want to be gay? Why would I care. Want to have a civil partnership? Why would I care. Want to involve a kid? No thanks.
Strike For The South
11-10-2010, 17:32
Maybe homosexuals just need to learn that it's not all about them?
Want to be gay? Why would I care. Want to have a civil partnership? Why would I care. Want to involve a kid? No thanks.
Maybe you need to learn its not all about you?
See how that works?
A stable loving home of two dudes who occasionly like to go down on eachother is much preferable to 2 methheads who duct tape there baby to the wall (no matter how hiliraous the pictures are) or keeping kids in the over burdened under staffed orphanges (like Oliver twist but with xbox)
Get over it.
https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4537/babyducttapeonthewall.jpg (https://img232.imageshack.us/i/babyducttapeonthewall.jpg/)
Sasaki Kojiro
11-10-2010, 17:33
that may very well be true, but a kid from afghanistan, china, or zimbabwe will one day grow up and understand that his 2 dads can never be his real biological roots, and even though the kid will most likely love them as his parents (if they have done a good job) the kid will most likely get a identity crisis, will spend 2 years of his life hunting down his real parents for better or worse and half the world will be watching another hidieous episode of Spoorloos...
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Most likely? What's your percentage estimate on that?
I don't know I still think homophobia is deeper rooted. Gay people truly creeped me out when I was a kid, long before there was any religious influence there. Now, I was kind of crazy as a kid in being creeped out a random things, but I'm pretty sure homophobia is pretty common and I don't think it can all be put down to social conditioning.
How do kids feel about their hetero parents having sex?
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 17:46
Maybe you need to learn its not all about you?
See how that works?
A stable loving home of two dudes who occasionly like to go down on eachother is much preferable to 2 methheads who duct tape there baby to the wall (no matter how hiliraous the pictures are) or keeping kids in the over burdened under staffed orphanges (like Oliver twist but with xbox)
Get over it.
A lot of variables affect how well a kid turns out, the point is that regardless of the other parenting attributes of homosexuals, the fact that they are homosexual is going to be bad in itself.
Not saying homosexuals can't compensate by being otherwise perfect parents, but the perfect heterosexual parents are always going to be better than the otherwise perfect homosexual parents. Kids need the right rolemodels. Unless having homosexual parents really does turn them gay, they will be in a one man/woman relationship in later life.
?????
How do kids feel about their hetero parents having sex?
It presumably never crosses their mind, I'm not taking about sex, I just think kids are homophobic generally. I've said this in past threads, people are always homophobic until it is educated out of them, so it must be a natural reaction.
HoreTore
11-10-2010, 18:04
I've said this in past threads, people are always homophobic until it is educated out of them, so it must be a natural reaction.
Funny how kids who have grown up with homosexual parents are the exact opposite.
Not saying you are wrong though, in some alternate universe where everything is upside down you might be right, who knows?
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 18:22
Funny how kids who have grown up with homosexual parents are the exact opposite.
Not saying you are wrong though, in some alternate universe where everything is upside down you might be right, who knows?
Yep only because they had to deal with it, doesn't mean it's ideal. All other variables aside, what is best for raising a kid:
1. one mother/father
2. two grandparents
3. two dads/mums
4. distant relatives
5. a single mum/dad
etc.
HoreTore
11-10-2010, 18:24
Yep only because they had to deal with it, doesn't mean it's ideal. All other variables aside, what is best for raising a kid IN MY OPINION:
1. one mother/father
2. two grandparents
3. two dads/mums
4. distant relatives
5. a single mum/dad
etc.
Fixed it for ya.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 18:26
No I just asked for your opinion, that wasn't an ordered list or something.
HoreTore
11-10-2010, 18:37
No I just asked for your opinion, that wasn't an ordered list or something.
Ah, then I apologize. Well, to answer it:
None and all of them.
-Adopted kids grow up to be fine specimens.
-Kids growing up with both mom and dad turn out fine.
-Kids growing up with relatives turn out fine.
-Kids growing up with divorced parents, like myself, turn out fine.
-Kids growing up with a single parent turn out fine.
-Kids growing up with homosexual parents turn out fine.
So in conclusion, blood ties obviously have no effect, number of parents have no effect, gender has no effect, sexual orientation has no effect and marital status has no effect.
What does have a huge effect is whether those close to the child are loving and caring, not who they are, and that the childs conditions are stable. For example, having to move towns when I was 10 has had a pretty clear negative effect on my childhood, but my parents divorce two years later didn't effect me at all, and I'm guessing the reason is that they both cared for me just as much as before the divorce.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 18:48
Fair enough. Despite what people have wanted me to have said, all I really said is that I think heterosexual parents are generally going to be slightly better parents than homosexuals, on merit of the fact that they can give children a more balanced upbringing, and they both have different strengths as parents.
Stereotypes of course, but they are relevant when taking about averages and how things work in general.
Ironside
11-10-2010, 20:22
It presumably never crosses their mind, I'm not taking about sex, I just think kids are homophobic generally. I've said this in past threads, people are always homophobic until it is educated out of them, so it must be a natural reaction.
Children also finds black people to stand out enuogh for them to still be uncomfortable as adults, when their children get a black girlfriend. Sometimes. Evidently, being black is unnatural, although those black people might be claiming that it's the white people who are unnatural, but who listens to them anyway. :juggle2:
What children do, is that they are very perceptive on how their parent figure reacts. So the child will see a male behaving the way that the "gaydar" picks it up and notice that he behaves different (that is in turn an adapted behavior that probably relates to identity issues) from the rest. But that is pointless without being given a context by the parent figures. Only then does different become odd and uncomfortable. This happens at a very young age, so by the time you start to have the type of memories you'll remeber you've already picked up most of this.
PanzerJaeger
11-10-2010, 21:08
I suspect most of the people that say they support homosexual adoption aren't really OK with it. People are just like that generally, we're not meant to be liberal by human nature. My parents aren't racist at all, but if I was to tell them I had a black girlfriend, I know they just wouldn't be comfortable with it.
It's more abstract that saying it won't work because of x, but it boils down to the fact that we all (including children) by nature think that it just ain't right.
I've said this in past threads, people are always homophobic until it is educated out of them, so it must be a natural reaction.
You're throwing out a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture in this thread. 'We all' may be reflective of your specific social circle, but it is a mistake to assume you are speaking for greater society (http://www.newsweek.com/2008/12/04/a-gay-marriage-surge.html).
In the US:
When it comes to according legal rights in specific areas to gays, the public is even more supportive. Seventy-four percent back inheritance rights for gay domestic partners (compared to 60 percent in 2004), 73 percent approve of extending health insurance and other employee benefits to them (compared to 60 percent in 2004), 67 percent favor granting them Social Security benefits (compared to 55 percent in 2004) and 86 percent support hospital visitation rights (a question that wasn't asked four years ago). In other areas, too, respondents appeared increasingly tolerant. Fifty-three percent favor gay adoption rights (8 points more than in 2004), and 66 percent believe gays should be able to serve openly in the military (6 points more than in 2004).
In the UK (http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/934):
An ICM poll for Friday’s Newsnight showed the majority of people supported gay couples being allowed to adoption children. 64% of people said they thought gay couples should be allowed to adopt, 32% said they shouldn’t.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 21:10
Which proves that the kind of people that bother to answer polls think that. Conjecture is where it's at anyway, we are talking about abstract things here.
You want the real answer Rhyfelwyr?
The best people to look after the kids are the ones that love them and will treat them good. Whether it is the grandparents, step-parents, single mothers or whatever.
I knew two kids which were my age who lived with their grandparents because the mother was a drug-laden prostitute. Their grandparents did a very good job, and my friend ended up being a fully trained and professional engineer. Why some instability was there with his mother, and the odd comments from idiots, his grandparents did a fantastic job.
It isn't about the blood relation, it is about the environmental upbringing and well-being.
PanzerJaeger
11-10-2010, 21:20
Which proves that the kind of people that bother to answer polls think that. Conjecture is where it's at anyway, we are talking about abstract things here.
And you feel more able to guage society's feelings on the issue than polling agencies?
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 21:21
Show me where problems occur that aren't based on society not accepting it
ecological problems per example. they occur because nature doesnt accept it.
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 21:23
Most likely? What's your percentage estimate on that?
i'd say over 50% based from the people i know and talked to who have been adopted. and i know a few.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 22:01
And you feel more able to guage society's feelings on the issue than polling agencies?
Yep, polls are useless if you want an honest reflection of society. It's like the thing with Catholicism and Scottish nationalism and the Pope's visit, had it right years before the establishment and everyone said I was crazy until it turned out I was right. Was vindicated in my thread on this very forum.
Sorry if that is arrogant but I just believe the disconnect is because the lefties only see what they want to see until it smacks them in the face.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 22:02
It isn't about the blood relation, it is about the environmental upbringing and well-being.
So why do so many adopted kids who have good relations with their non-biological parents end up seeking their real parents. I am well qualified to speak on such issues, since I have seen many episodes of Jeremy Kyle.
gaelic cowboy
11-10-2010, 22:17
So why do so many adopted kids who have good relations with their non-biological parents end up seeking their real parents. I am well qualified to speak on such issues, since I have seen many episodes of Jeremy Kyle.
To watch a single episode of Jeremy Kyle is to understand why Romans liked watching gladiators fighting.
"your Scum get a Job"
Plus does anyone else think a really smart young earth creationist could use Jeremy Kyle as proof that evolution is fake.
So why do so many adopted kids who have good relations with their non-biological parents end up seeking their real parents. I am well qualified to speak on such issues, since I have seen many episodes of Jeremy Kyle.
Because they have a fantasy, then they find out reality, then they no longer care. There is tons of stories where it happens and it turns out the "biological parents" are nothing like Waltz Disney but scum, then the children simply no longer care about them, and jump back in the arms of their real parents, after realizing how good they got it.
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 23:11
Because they have a fantasy, then they find out reality, then they no longer care. There is tons of stories where it happens and it turns out the "biological parents" are nothing like Waltz Disney but scum, then the children simply no longer care about them, and jump back in the arms of their real parents, after realizing how good they got it.
If their non-biological parents are so sufficient why do they have a fantasy in the first place?
Plus does anyone else think a really smart young earth creationist could use Jeremy Kyle as proof that evolution is fake.
IMO Jeremy Kyle's dad should have put something on the end of it...
Devastatin Dave
11-10-2010, 23:11
Until a child pops out of some dude's butt, I'll never consider homo-adoption a good thing or "normal". Done and done...
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 23:13
Because when a child pop's out of a dude's butt, that will be completely normal?
HoreTore
11-10-2010, 23:34
So why do so many adopted kids who have good relations with their non-biological parents end up seeking their real parents.
It's the same reason why I tried anal.
Devastatin Dave
11-10-2010, 23:41
Because when a child pop's out of a dude's butt, that will be completely normal?
Scientifically and biologically speaking, yes...
Rhyfelwyr
11-10-2010, 23:42
It's the same reason why I tried anal.
So you tried anal because you have parent issues???
The Stranger
11-10-2010, 23:47
It's the same reason why I tried anal.
no he tried cuz he he had an illusion and then found out that the reality was quite different and not as satisfying so he went back to his normal routine... its lust theory actually... nothing new. XD
PanzerJaeger
11-10-2010, 23:51
Yep, polls are useless if you want an honest reflection of society. It's like the thing with Catholicism and Scottish nationalism and the Pope's visit, had it right years before the establishment and everyone said I was crazy until it turned out I was right. Was vindicated in my thread on this very forum.
Sorry if that is arrogant but I just believe the disconnect is because the lefties only see what they want to see until it smacks them in the face.
In what universe does this constitute a valid argument? How does one even respond to 'I am right because I am'?
If gay parenting/adoption 'just ain't right' in your opinion, you are free to challenge the legitimacy of the practice that has now successfully reared millions of well-adjusted children, particularly those with special needs who are adopted at a higher rate by gay households than straight ones. However, if you are going to try and use appeals to authority to hide behind some vast, secret, overarching 'we all', you will have to have a bit more evidence that such social consensus actually exists than 'I say it does' to be even remotely convincing. :shrug:
Strike For The South
11-11-2010, 00:08
Until a child pops out of some dude's butt, I'll never consider homo-adoption a good thing or "normal". Done and done...
And until the human body can combat polio on its own. I wont even consider the vacination
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 00:12
In what universe does this constitute a valid argument? How does one even respond to 'I am right because I am'?
I guess it's a decent response to some meaningless statistic which is thrown at me as it if somehow proves something. As I said, all it proves is that the sort of people that actually bother to take these polls think that. :shrug:
If gay parenting/adoption 'just ain't right' in your opinion, you are free to challenge the legitimacy of the practice that has now successfully reared millions of well-adjusted children, particularly those with special needs who are adopted at a higher rate by gay households than straight ones.
Where did I deny it? Where?!?! Look at the two bits I quoted from myself to SFTS at the top of this page. As I said the fact that the parents will both be of one gender is only one variable that affects how well they perform as parents.
Strike For The South
11-11-2010, 00:19
Where did I deny it? Where?!?! Look at the two bits I quoted from myself to SFTS at the top of this page. As I said the fact that the parents will both be of one gender is only one variable that affects how well they perform as parents.
says who? My mum likes baseball, does that mean I'm not getting enough feminine influence?
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 00:24
says who? My mum likes baseball, does that mean I'm not getting enough feminine influence?
Yes you can poke fun at it by raising petty examples but it doesn't changed the fact that it's around because it generally works.
Devastatin Dave
11-11-2010, 00:26
And until the human body can combat polio on its own. I wont even consider the vacination
I'm with ya Bro and so is Ned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKt1oarjzRY
Devastatin Dave
11-11-2010, 00:31
says who? My mum likes baseball, does that mean I'm not getting enough feminine influence?
Does she wear comfortable shoes and a chain on her wallet?
Louis VI the Fat
11-11-2010, 00:43
I'm sorry, but I simply dislike unnatural behaviour.
Homosexuality is natural and the norm in both humans and other species.
The atomic family by contrast is a modern deviancy.
Therefore, the question is why we should allow one man and one woman to raise children together intending to do so mostly on their own. It is unnatural. Whereas it ought to be self-evident that children can be adopted by their wider social circle and raised by several caring adults. Adult chimps, bonobos, maquaqes and orang-utans often are gay or bisexual, and these help raising the children of their group. This is natural.
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 00:52
Louis raises an excellent point, and one I asked earlier. Why can't groups of adults adopt children? Why can't children be adopted into parents in polygamous marriages? Why should two adults have to be in a sexual relationship to adopt a child?
If they love the child why does it really matter? ~:confused:
PanzerJaeger
11-11-2010, 00:56
I guess it's a decent response to some meaningless statistic which is thrown at me as it if somehow proves something. As I said, all it proves is that the sort of people that actually bother to take these polls think that. :shrug:
Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.
- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.
- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.
- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.
:dizzy2:
gaelic cowboy
11-11-2010, 00:59
Adult chimps, bonobos, maquaqes and orang-utans often are gay or bisexual, and these help raising the children of their group. This is natural.
No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too
Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIBiZCSs5I
Devastatin Dave
11-11-2010, 01:13
No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too
Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIBiZCSs5I
Thats soooo hot....
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 01:34
all children should be raised by milfs... or milds... or dilfs... or dilds...
beat you to the dildo joke XD
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 01:37
No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too
Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIBiZCSs5I
thats an honest mistake XD no homosexual act at all. but apperently there are a lot of lesbian giraffes. maybe next time i give a party i should invite a couple and make sexy footage!
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 01:38
Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.
- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.
- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.
- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.
:dizzy2:
he does have a point about the polls though :P truly... polls are poor.
gaelic cowboy
11-11-2010, 01:42
thats an honest mistake XD no homosexual act at all. but apperently there are a lot of lesbian giraffes. maybe next time i give a party i should invite a couple and make sexy footage!
It happens so regular though farmers often wait till they engage in such acts before bulling cattle, and bull cavles will often commit certain oral acts if you get my meaning
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 01:47
Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.
- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.
- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.
- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.
:dizzy2:
Pretty much, yes. My point is the sociologists and politics scientists and what not that study these matters have in recent decades had a wondeful habbit of seeing what they want to see. Who would have thought social movements might just influence the people studying them? Nobody's impartial, that's the first lesson you take when learning to study sources for history, we're no different nowadays.
For example, pretty much the sum of the last few decades research into gender roles, which emphasised the impact of society creating them, as opposed to biological factors, has very quickly been discredited of late. They came at a time when women's right where big on the agenda. Whod'da thunk it?
Or like Louis pointed out with a thread on racial differences, much of the once respected studies that played them down to almost nothing is now discredibted. Could it be the studies were influenced by the civil rights issues of the time?
Equally, I don't trust some poll on attitudes to homosexuality today. For a start, they don't reflect society, because joe bloggs living off benefits isn't going to respond to such a study, the only people that will are middle-class gutmensch as Frags would say, who probably spend their time getting offended over homosexual discrimination and care enough to actually take a poll.
So it's pretty much the same as it was with the issue surrounding the Pope/Scottish nationalism. I have eyes to see what is around me and I can trust what I seen in society as a whole not what result some guy in a white jacket got from some studies where he sets the controls, frames his questions a certain way, whether consciously or unconsciously will have his own views/agenda, and his subjects for study inevitable won't be reprsentative of society as a whole.
It is exactly like when I used my common sense with the Pope/nationalism issue and ignored the consensus amongst the respected social scientists. A few years later Mr. Devine appeared on TV and said what i said all along, as the Pope drove down Edinburgh clad in tartan. How right do I have to be for so long before they catch up?
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 01:56
its funny that you think that the entire world is biased... but you. and louis...
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 02:29
its funny that you think that the entire world is biased... but you. and louis...
Well the people that care the most about these things are the ones that are going to want to study them and produce polls.
And the only people that are going to answer the polls are the people who care about them...
Devastatin Dave
11-11-2010, 03:09
Heheheehe, you said "polls"....
Strike For The South
11-11-2010, 04:04
Well the people that care the most about these things are the ones that are going to want to study them and produce polls.
And the only people that are going to answer the polls are the people who care about them...
You care about it to...as evidenced by you posting so much
Any good scientest will not let his assumptions get in the way of facts. These men go to school for years. Have more faith in them than that
Yes you can poke fun at it by raising petty examples but it doesn't changed the fact that it's around because it generally works.
Yea except when it doesn't and the kid is lost at the hands of the state.
a completely inoffensive name
11-11-2010, 04:58
Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.
Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?
Strike For The South
11-11-2010, 05:04
Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.
Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?
Not really worth the trouble IMO.
Something to cross off the bucket list nothing more
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 11:54
You care about it to...as evidenced by you posting so much
Any good scientest will not let his assumptions get in the way of facts. These men go to school for years. Have more faith in them than that
I was posting all over the place yesterday, I like to hang about on the net, doesn't mean I'm going to start taking polls for people.
Louis raises an excellent point, and one I asked earlier. Why can't groups of adults adopt children? Why can't children be adopted into parents in polygamous marriages? Why should two adults have to be in a sexual relationship to adopt a child?
If they love the child why does it really matter? ~:confused:
Stability
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 12:16
Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.
Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?
completely! inoffensive ofcourse!
on a more serious note... normal sex is better imo, but i dont know... anal is one of those things like honey or apple syrup for me... I have those days that I'm really in the mood for it, and then I try it and I'm always dissapointed. But next time I have forgotten about it because everyone tells me its so AWESOME!
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 12:17
srry dbblpst
Why would you want to stick any body part in some ones dirty poop chute?
rory_20_uk
11-11-2010, 14:54
I believe that to some the answer is the same as to the reason for climbing mount Everest: because it's there.
~:smoking:
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 15:02
Why would you want to stick any body part in some ones dirty poop chute?
because you imitate the ****starts
I believe that to some the answer is the same as to the reason for climbing mount Everest: because it's there.
~:smoking:
Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.
I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.
The Stranger
11-11-2010, 16:27
Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.
I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.
its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD
its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD
It always will be dirty, that brown stuff is not chocolate you know.
rory_20_uk
11-11-2010, 16:53
Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.
I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.
More to do with the lack of a rational reason but still people do it. Some people do meth, and that's a hell of a lot more difficult to understand.
Some people like doing it, some like receiving it. Some probably like neither. It's a big world out there. I'm sure there's enough room for all persuasions.
Everest is covered with discarded detritus, so there is more in common than you give it credit for...
~:smoking:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-11-2010, 21:13
its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD
Personally, I don't fancy a urinary tract infection, and any act which requires me to wear a condom just so I don't catch a horrible disease as a matter of course isn't even on my bucket list.
Which is why fornicating with a sheep is not on there, even though I am partly Welsh.
HoreTore
11-11-2010, 21:41
So you tried anal because you have parent issues???
No, adopted kids don't have parent issues.
They are, however, curious, just like I was.
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 21:55
I'm pretty sure they do, look at the reaction you get if you tell one of your own brothers/sisters they are adopted for a joke...
HoreTore
11-11-2010, 21:57
I'm pretty sure they do, look at the reaction you get if you tell one of your own brothers/sisters they are adopted for a joke...
Look at the reaction you'll get from a young lad if you tell him his girlfriend is going to give him the green light at the rear entrance.
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 22:01
It the young lad in question was me I would wonder why on earth she had to get one of my friends to pass on such a message? ~:confused:
HoreTore
11-11-2010, 22:02
It the young lad in question was me I would wonder why on earth she had to get one of my friends to pass on such a message? ~:confused:
Yes, well, whatever, you get my drift.....
Rhyfelwyr
11-11-2010, 22:17
Heh, well it's not the best parallel to draw I would think. I get what you are saying... curiosity (I'm not sure I'd call it that for either example anyway, but...), but for the adoption issue at least, I think there is a lot more to it than that. For some people at least. I guess people respond to these things differently.
When my parents used to fight, my brother would end up in tears, and I would be excited because it meant I got to stay up late and run around doing whatever I wanted. :shrug:
HoreTore
11-11-2010, 22:33
Heh, well it's not the best parallel to draw I would think. I get what you are saying... curiosity (I'm not sure I'd call it that for either example anyway, but...), but for the adoption issue at least, I think there is a lot more to it than that. For some people at least. I guess people respond to these things differently.
When my parents used to fight, my brother would end up in tears, and I would be excited because it meant I got to stay up late and run around doing whatever I wanted. :shrug:
The adopted child still desires to explore the unknown, the parent he does not know, even though he's perfectly happy with his adopted parents.
Just like someone might still desire to explore the unknown anus, even though vaginas are heavenly.
I have not seen any evidence of some "genetic yearning" for birthparents, and as Louis has noted, growing up with your parents by blood is unnatural for humans and is simply a modern invention.
Personally, I don't fancy a urinary tract infection, and any act which requires me to wear a condom just so I don't catch a horrible disease as a matter of course isn't even on my bucket list.
Which is why fornicating with a sheep is not on there, even though I am partly Welsh.
So you would do it, if it didn't require use of a condom?
HoreTore
11-11-2010, 23:05
Sorry, I didn't notice these golden moments.... I humbly apologize!
Personally, I don't fancy a urinary tract infection, and any act which requires me to wear a condom just so I don't catch a horrible disease as a matter of course isn't even on my bucket list.
.....And then there was that little thing about not talking about stuff you have absolutely no knowledge of or experience with. Anal with your girlfriend won't get you sick, sorry mate. You might get her sick though, if you do it wrong.
Why would you want to stick any body part in some ones dirty poop chute?
For the lulz.
I believe that to some the answer is the same as to the reason for climbing mount Everest: because it's there.
EXACTLY!
It always will be dirty, that brown stuff is not chocolate you know.
I would suggest that you only sleep with women capable of wiping their bums.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-11-2010, 23:12
Sticking Mr.Peanut where the chocolate is stored is only OK when you doing it with a woman, not with another man. :balloon2:
Tellos Athenaios
11-12-2010, 00:01
Anal with your girlfriend won't get you sick, sorry mate. You might get her sick though, if you do it wrong.
Well actually... it can. You may wind up with an E. Coli infection in your privates. Chances are slim, but increase if you “do it wrong” or are more susceptible to infections than other people in general.
Which is another reason why you should always wear a condom (the slightly thicker kind which is more resilient under pressure) and use lube.
Rhyfelwyr
11-12-2010, 00:07
The adopted child still desires to explore the unknown, the parent he does not know, even though he's perfectly happy with his adopted parents.
Or do you just want them to be happy with them since it fits your view of the world? Because my nightime-repeat-of-daytime-tv-shows experience tells me that many people have much deeper reasons for seeking their real parents.
Sure, the modern nuclear family is a social development, but I don't think you can play this down to nothing at all.
The Stranger
11-12-2010, 00:53
Personally, I don't fancy a urinary tract infection, and any act which requires me to wear a condom just so I don't catch a horrible disease as a matter of course isn't even on my bucket list.
Which is why fornicating with a sheep is not on there, even though I am partly Welsh.
i thought that you had to be kiwi for that...
Rhyfelwyr
11-12-2010, 00:57
i thought that you had to be kiwi for that...
I think the thing with sheep is one of the most common regional slurs in the world. In Scotland, you use it on people from the north-east. Basically, it will be used wherever one place had a region based on agriculture.
I would suggest that you only sleep with women capable of wiping their bums.
How many do you know make sure their interior is around 8 inches clean and have expert knowledge of colonic muscle control techniques?
HoreTore
11-12-2010, 16:13
How many do you know make sure their interior is around 8 inches clean and have expert knowledge of colonic muscle control techniques?
Why would they need to?
Pooping might be an art too hard to master for the women in your area, I have no idea about that, but my willy haven't had a touch of brown on him after anal.
Well actually... it can. You may wind up with an E. Coli infection in your privates. Chances are slim, but increase if you “do it wrong” or are more susceptible to infections than other people in general.
Which is another reason why you should always wear a condom (the slightly thicker kind which is more resilient under pressure) and use lube.
That's like saying you don't drive because you might get in a car crash and die.
//Irrelevant nonsense.
Rhyfelwyr
11-12-2010, 16:27
Pooping might be an art too hard to master for the women in your area, I have no idea about that, but my willy haven't had a touch of brown on him after anal.
Well, I think he said he came from the north-east of England...
Well, I think he said he came from the north-east of England...
I don't and all anal touches brown, unless they basically clean internally before a porn shoot.
Still think it's cruel to starve her first
HoreTore
11-12-2010, 22:11
all anal touches brown
No.
Just no.
Still don't believe me? Well then.... How 'bout you come 'round my place, I'll show ya.... ~;)
Horetore is right you aren't headbutting anything back, and most importantly they go absolutely nuts
Ser Clegane
11-13-2010, 13:16
Apparently the original topic has been ehaustively discussed.
Even though this is the "Backroom" it is not the appropriate forum to have a extensive restroom wall discussion on anal sex.
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