Large Mafia Game The Way of the Samurai [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Beefy187

01-20-2011, 10:58

Night 2 summery

http://www.enbridge.jp/blog/%E3%81%A0%E3%82%8B%E3%81%BE%E5%A4%95%E6%97%A5.jpg

Day dawns. If there was someone patrolling the castle, he would've realised that pathway to Lord Naritsugu was wide open. As many of the Samurais headed off, to do what they think is necessary to protect Lord Naritsugu.

There was one to start off. One by one, Samurais joined in the march and by the time they reached the destination, there were 10 of them. All with an common cause, to bring end to the one... Lord of Lent.

Lord of Lent was practicing his writing. In the eyes of the ignorant, his writing was already excellent. But this stoic Samurai writes to reach perfection. Lord of Lent sensed a chiver in his spine, he quickly wrote his last words "仁”and went out to the battle field.

It rains. Heavy rain drop striking the pond, the garden where 10 samurai stands with their swords out. Lord of Lent sadly smiled and said
"This is where paranoia leads to."

One of the attackers announced.
"In the name of great lord Naritsugu, you are under arrest. Lay down your arms, or we will be forced to use our swords."

"Will do if and only if I get a proper trial. Which I doubt. In that case, I have no choice but to fight."

Lord of Lent drew out his sword and aimed in Chudan Gamae. Nothing too fancy, but a best shot at getting out of this trouble without fleeing.

Lord of Lent charged at the front man, but immediately realised that none of them were someone he can over power. He got him self surrounded in less then a second. Just as he was about to leave this cruel world, he left a last message.

"Take a deep breath. Open your eyes. Listen, smell and sense it with your entire body.This is the fate of a true samurai, living in this era. This is the fate all of you will follow"

Everyone on the front line except Lord of Lent sensed the right time to swing their sword. With that Lord of Lent was no more.

......................................

Slashandburn was walking around the castle, looking to wipe the blood of his hands. Was it the blood of the rabbit? Or blood of someone whom he killed just then. Rain was convenient and was working well but he wanted something more. He found a pond and he dived in.

"Out slashandburn. Garden pond is no place to play in."

Slashandburn looked around and found three man looking down. They didn't look like they were here to warn him. More like they were here to kill him.

"Ey ladies. Cmon, its a rainy day. Even you samurais gotta have some fun."

"Pass. Now come out Slashandburn. We have some debts to settle."

Slashandburn, unlike his barbaric looks, calculated his chance of victory. He was confident he can beat anyone on a fist fight, but not three man fully armed.

He needed an mixed tactic to win this fight. He didn't need to win like these Samurais. He just needed to win. He came up with an idea.

"Cming out. 2 seconds."

Suddenly he jumped out of the pond, fully "unarmed" except his wodden stick and the big long stick he was born with.

This surprise attack certainly worked to reduc the distance between him and the attackers. He successfully knocked down one of the attacker.

"Two more huh?"

Chance of victory was still desperately low. His swing was easily dodged. Third attacker will recover in few seconds. He threw a rock, which missed. He then took the last option, to run.

"Wait you coward!" shouted one of the Samurai, but the other reacted faster. He threw his sword, clearly getting Slashandburn in the back. He slowly drew out his shorter sword "wakisashi" and delivered another slash. He concluded by kicking slashandburn in the pond, pond turning clearly visibly red even in the rain.

Three attackers left the scene, satisfied.

http://aquanic.org/images/photos/la/d0565/img0057.jpg

......................................

Lost.. Humiliation. The wild man was filled with bursting emotion. Emotion of grudge. Emotion of revenge. He can take a punch. His used to that, he can take a kick. His used to that. Rocks thrown at him, whips, wooden sticks, iron rods. He can take all those.But slice wound of katanas... That actually hurts.

Slashandburn crawled out of the pond. Alive.. Not well, but alive.

.......................................

Askthepizzaguy was guarding his favourite place of all... The kitchen, fighting off various evil monsters like rats of cockroaches.

"Good evening Pizzaguy" said a voice in side his head. Pizzaguy the scary cat jumped up surprised.
"WHO ARE YOU!? IDENTIFY YOUR SELF!"
"Calm pizza. I am your evil twin inside you. I came here to entertain you."
"Entertain me?"
"Yes Pizzaguy. Heres a riddle. Why are you called askthepizzaguy?"
"Because I like pizza?"
"So do I pizza."
"Oo! What a coincidence?"
"Yes Pizza. well, its not that part. Not the guy part either. I'm talking about the first bit... Ask."
"Hmm?"
"Why did you call your self, ASKthepizzaguy?"
"... Why not?"
"Why?"
"I don't know."
"You could've said Questionthepizzaguy, or interrogatethepizzaguy or something. Why ask?"
"Because its short and catchy?"
"Good point. Ok, lets see it from this perspective. Why not like Tellthepizzaguy or Dothepizzaguy?"
"Do you say?"
"Erm..."
"Do you want me to tell you what could happen if I call my self Dothepizzaguy?"
"Pass."
"No please. Listen. Well firstly...."
"No not the wall of texts. Spare me."
"Aww... Okay then..So entertain me?"
"Aww... Stuff it. Mind attack isn't gonna work to you."

So the shadowy figure jumped out of no where and chopped up the unarmed Pizzaguy.

Askthepizzaguy is no more

.................................................................................................... .........................

As the men were rallying to the garden, they saw a message posted on the wall.
It reads

Samurai,

As you may have noticed, Lord Naritsugu has gone mad. He has killed 2 of his most loyal men already. Some of us have disappeared and haven't been seen since last night. We cannot win this battle. Many of you have never fought before. Do you really want to die for a malovolent tyrant? Join the revolutionaries and your reward will be great.

If you are with us, express your doubt against Naritsugu in this thread or confess it to your inner self a.k.a. Beefy and you will be contacted by one of our intimi.

Together we can prevail. Trust me.

The Shadow of the East

Lord Naritsugu observed his men in front of him. Some trembling in fear, some looking at each other in paranoia. Some looking straight ahead as if they've done a great deed. Then Lord Naritsugu lost his interest.

He clapped twice to call in the newly captured women. Took everything from her, then ended her misery. Lord Naritsugu licked his lips, satisfied.

Meanwhile his men started to discuss again. Discussing culprits. Discussing how they could end these murders.

.......................................

Players 21/28
pevergreen
secura
Captain Blackadder
Glenn
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Cecil XIX
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)

Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
Chimpyang
slashandburn
Kagemusha
Nightbringer
Csargo

Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan

Killed 5/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy

Start day 3

Askthepizzaguy

01-20-2011, 11:12

Vote: Captain Blackadder

pevergreen

01-20-2011, 11:15

If you are with us, express your doubt against Naritsugu in this thread or confess it to your inner self a.k.a. Beefy and you will be contacted by one of our intimi.

Together we can prevail. Trust me.

The Shadow of the East

:hairpin3:

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 12:29

This is an insult to our great leader Naritsugu - we all owe him our lives and allegience!
Vote: Kagemusha

Those who are silent are plotting something!

God Emperor

01-20-2011, 12:40

I completely agree !

Vote: Captain Blackadder

Beefy187

01-20-2011, 12:46

Also, sorry ATPG is dead too.
If I may, I'll add that in the write up as soon as I finish studying for my Chinese exam
My apologies :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-20-2011, 12:54

Awwww.... you no like me organize vigilante group?

Don't worry. I already appointed a successor. They will continue, and you will die... horribly... :evilgrin:

PershsNhpios

01-20-2011, 13:57

Hmm! Interesting gameplay evolving here.. It reminds me of Capo II.

O Lord Naritsugu! I bow before you as but a servant of the people, though I be weak yet I remain loyal to you! Never shall you hear me speak out in doubt of you and I shall place my vote on all those who dare post anything which may be perceived as a lack of faith in your wisdom.

Sorry to see you go so soon ATPG, I am glad we have someone else to take up the standard. Not many are trained as town or vigilante organisers and I appreciate the amount of dedication it takes. Thank you.

Is the group resolving on who to vote for also? If so I will wait for communication before making my decision for today.

pevergreen

01-20-2011, 14:10

O Lord Naritsugu! I bow before you as but a servant of the people, though I be weak yet I remain loyal to you! Never shall you hear me speak out in doubt of you and I shall place my vote on all those who dare post anything which may be perceived as a lack of faith in your wisdom.

:rtwno:

Renata

01-20-2011, 14:21

Awwww.... you no like me organize vigilante group?

Don't worry. I already appointed a successor. They will continue, and you will die... horribly... :evilgrin:

You organized ten on Lord of Lent? Hahahahaha.

autolycus

01-20-2011, 14:23

Well, slashandburn seems to be our wild man and therefore a neutral at best, so vote:slashandburn.
Methinks that Glenn doth protest too much his faith in our lord, but if he is weak, that can be excused
I propose a duel: Glenn vs. Secura If Secura wins, we will let Glenn's fawning nature slide. If Glenn wins, then we execute him in the morning.

Askthepizzaguy

01-20-2011, 14:27

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 14:41

Renata

01-20-2011, 14:49

Enough to make straight-up defense against it impossible, and ensure any infiltrators could not stop it by withdrawing support either.

Keeps people busy. Consider it "lynch II". You obviously need some sort of consensus anyway.

Effective early, though after a while (how long? don't know), people will be needed for defense.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 15:34

Why did the vig group attack slash, and why did he survive? Those are my questions.

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 15:35

I agree; It seems Slash has a pretty special role. Knowing anything at all would be nice.

Askthepizzaguy

01-20-2011, 15:40

I agree; It seems Slash has a pretty special role. Knowing anything at all would be nice.

I would like to know who attacked him.

Secura

01-20-2011, 15:42

Why did the vig group attack slash, and why did he survive? Those are my questions.

The vig group targeted Lord of Lent; we don't know who attacked slashandburn, but it's obvious that he survived because he was stronger than his assailants.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 15:47

The vig group targetted Lord of Lent; we don't know who attacked slashandburn, but it's obvious that he survived because he was stronger than his assailants.

3 people attacked slash, that's also a vig group. And if he had been stronger than them they would be dead I believe.

Didn't one of the early solo attacks have a guy with a wooden sword? I wouldn't be surprised if that was slash.

Secura

01-20-2011, 15:54

From what he's told me, Pizza organised seven people to attack Lord of Lent; why there were an additional three present, I do not know.

Whoever the second vig group was, it wasn't organised by Pizza.

autolycus

01-20-2011, 15:58

Just to clairfy what I said earlier, based on the write-ups from the two nights, I believe slashandburn is the solo killer who killed Renata. They both are described as wild and barbaric and use a wooden sword.
Also, there is one way for the town to have a net increase in strength via duels, if there is a duel involving at least one 0 strength individual, then the winner will gain 1 strength and the loser will die. We lose a player through that, though, so I think it's a net loss.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 16:02

Vote:slashandburn

Askthepizzaguy

01-20-2011, 16:05

Don't runaway wagon him. Good default lynch, but question him and discuss other suspects.

Secura

01-20-2011, 16:10

Looking at other suspects, what piqued your curiousity about Glenn, auto?

classical_hero

01-20-2011, 16:13

Only ATPG was attacked by scum, so we need find out who did it. So we have two vigs attcks and only one worked, so I do want to know how Slashandburn survived, so I will wait until I hear from him.

God Emperor

01-20-2011, 16:45

Are there people out there, other than me, who has an attack strength of zero?

Yaropolk

01-20-2011, 17:01

First of all, vote: slashandburn. I think he's an SK.

:stare: Duel: Glenn vs Sasaki Kojiro

After the victory with ATPG Sasaki is probably at 3 strength. You don't want to make any one too strong, particularly Sasaki. If he's pro-town it makes him an easy kill for mafia to get rid of 5 points of defense in 1 night kill. If he's anti-town it gives more oomph to mafia's attacks. And if he's Sasaki, someone will surely die because of this.

Call me paranoid but I think he's probably after me based on his challenge yesterday. I don't have anything in my PM to indicate this, so it may be just Sasaki roleplaying. Either way I'm looking to improve my strength rating. Right now I have a low rating, I welcome any challengers. If I win good for me, if not, then at least we find someone who has a high rating and is probably a special role.

duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink I expect him to attack me with an inflatable baloon and a fish.

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 17:38

FOS : slashandburn - how strong must you be to survive a 3 headed assault? Be you good or evil?

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 17:47

The vig group targeted Lord of Lent; we don't know who attacked slashandburn, but it's obvious that he survived because he was stronger than his assailants.

I'd argue against this: From my point of view, the writeup suggests that Slash lives despite being defeated. He seems strong, yes, but he's ultimately overpowered and only survives because of some inhuman endurance.
I don't think that's raw strength speaking, I think it's an ability.

Secura

01-20-2011, 18:47

What I meant was "he probably has similar or greater strength" and was boiling it down to game mechanics rather than the narrative of the writeup; since re-reading it, I've concluded that my initial belief was incorrect.

Speaking of the writeup... now that it's been amended for Pizza's death, it seems that only one mafia attacked him; it's possible that the other may have blended in with the Lord of Lent vigilante attack.

autolycus

01-20-2011, 18:50

@Renata, I just didn't like his over-the-top paean to our lord. I think being a scyophant is only acceptable if you're weak. Therefore, we should check if he is weak. Whether we actually kill him if he is not is something to be decided tomorrow. Really he just seemed like as good a duel candidate as anyone.

Lord of Lent

01-20-2011, 19:04

God Emperor

01-20-2011, 19:20

Why do you FOS me? :)

Edit: re reading your post I see why... but having zero strength it seems rather pointless attacking.

slashandburn

01-20-2011, 20:29

I have a neutral role, my goal is survival, i killed renata on night one because i thought she was suspicious. My character can survive one combat loss at night due to his incredible endurance.
Alone I am stronger than almost anyone but as you saw a group can defeat me.

slashandburn

01-20-2011, 20:30

I can win with the town because my goal is survival so i will offer my assassin services humbly.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 20:37

What's your strength level?

unvote

To think about it, this might be a game where we don't kill the SK right off.

Beskar

01-20-2011, 21:11

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 21:13

No, that's impossible. It sounds more like he had a 1 shot kill immune.

However, I'm thinking that your 4-strength guy is mafia. If the renata was an sk kill then there was only one other kill.

Seon

01-20-2011, 21:14

Slash's powerlevel is over 9000!!!!!!!

jK.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-20-2011, 21:17

hmm, so we want:

A) slash's power level, I might have a plan for this.
B) The identity of the strength 4 person, because we have reason to believe they are mafia.

Meantime, vote:Beskar

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 21:27

I agree with Sasaki, we need to know who has power 4.
unvote; vote: Beskar

Secura

01-20-2011, 21:45

Why the votes for Beskar?

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 21:48

It's a 'tell us what we want or die' move...

Beskar

01-20-2011, 21:50

Because voting for Beskar is always cool when you have no argument.

Beskar

01-20-2011, 21:51

It's a 'tell us what we want or die' move...

When has that worked when it comes to me? :tongue:

I am not going to reveal any of the names. Lynch me for it, not like anyone would ever use a real argument against me other than "It's Beskar, so he is guilty".

Secura

01-20-2011, 21:52

It's a 'tell us what we want or die' move...

I'm sure that you're perfectly capable of explaining who the 4Str person is.

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 22:03

Que?

Secura

01-20-2011, 22:15

Basically, you know the identity of the 4Str attacker as you were one of his cohorts in the slashandburn attack.

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 22:16

I'm sure that you're perfectly capable of explaining who the 4Str person is.

Was this aimed at Beskar or Chimpyang?

Secura

01-20-2011, 22:18

Look up, treacle.

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 22:29

And you got this from? Trying to answer your question?

Secura

01-20-2011, 22:35

I was provided with the identities of the three people who attacked slashandburn, as well as their strength values; this all correlates with the notes I received from pevergreen, as per Pizza's instructions.

You are one of those attackers.

Diamondeye

01-20-2011, 22:37

I figured that much out (Chimpyang being an attacker) from your first post, Secura :tongue:

And a lovely crosspost... Yay.

So, Secura, do we have any reason to trust this str 4 guy?

Secura

01-20-2011, 22:43

So, Secura, do we have any reason to trust this str 4 guy?

Well, the person in question obviously trusted Pizza, because they revealed their strength value to him; I'm not certain if the reverse can be said, however, as Pizza stated that he didn't know (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132357-The-Way-of-the-Samurai-Sign-up&p=2053251559&viewfull=1#post2053251559) who was involved in the slashandburn attack so it seems they acted of their own volition.

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 23:12

If you truly know what you claim, then why bother accusing people of being in a group? You suggest that you know all the members and the strength values, but won't reveal?

Secura

01-20-2011, 23:45

If you look back, you'll see that you stated that Beskar needs to reveal what he knows or face the lynch (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132357-The-Way-of-the-Samurai-Sign-up&p=2053251788&viewfull=1#post2053251788), which is an ironic statement for you to make considering you know that very same piece of information better than anyone else does.

Based on what I've been told and the fact that it correlates with the data I received from pevergreen, information which I believe that only pever and Pizza have been privy to prior to myself... yes, I do know the identities of the vig group that attacked slashandburn.

However, I'm not really certain you can call me out for not revealing them when you're more than capable of coming forward and doing so yourself; so why haven't you?

Yaropolk

01-20-2011, 23:49

Secura - I am confused - is Chimpyang the 4 str person?

Secura

01-20-2011, 23:57

No, he was one of the 2Str combatants that Beskar mentioned; he knows full-well who is cohorts are though, which is why it puzzles me that he threw this statement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132357-The-Way-of-the-Samurai-Sign-up&p=2053251788&viewfull=1#post2053251788) at Beskar when he was perfectly capable of providing that information himself.

Now, why would that be?

Chimpyang

01-20-2011, 23:57

Or that the point of Sasaki and Diamond voting for Beskar was to pressure him into revealing. Which is the question you asked. Seguing my answer into speculation about whether I am or am not in the vig group is baseless.

If I had information which would be helpful, I would share it.

p.s. Are you so certain that the papertrail leading to your conclusion is not tainted, or just simply wrong?

Secura

01-20-2011, 23:59

p.s. Are you so certain that the papertrail leading to your conclusion is not tainted, or just simply wrong?

Let's put it this way; either the information I received from my source is true (it does match what Pizza's information says about the names I was given) or it's an elaborate lie and Pizza/pever shared this information with more than just me.

Considering how secretive Pizza was about the whole vigilante formation and who was involved, I doubt that anyone else was privy to this information, and as such don't believe that my source is lying.

Nightbringer

01-21-2011, 00:04

I'm completely lost, I'll just vote:abstain for now. By the next day i should have my head on strait with this game.

Captain Blackadder

01-21-2011, 01:38

Yes Chimpyang if you do know then why are you questioning Beskar about it? Do you have something to hide

Vote Abstain For now I want to see reactions to the current events before I place my actual vote.

Reenk Roink

01-21-2011, 01:48

Vote: Sasaki

Duel: Reenk vs Reenk (Beefy are you counting these? :stwmean: The greatest battle to be fought is the one within yourself)

Secura

01-21-2011, 02:00

With a little bit of explanation (and Japanese cryptography!), I think I've come to understand what Chimpyang is getting at; some of the numbers I've received are wrong, looking to rectify that soon and fully learn what happened last night.

:bow:

Yaropolk

01-21-2011, 02:56

I'm going to vote: chimpyang until he clears up whats going on

Diamondeye

01-21-2011, 11:41

unvote. I don't want Beskar hanging on obsolete votes.
vote: Kagemusha. Still silent as the grave.

Askthepizzaguy

01-21-2011, 12:04

Make Kage duel Sasaki, please.

pevergreen

01-21-2011, 12:08

Make Kage duel Sasaki, please.
:inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

01-21-2011, 12:10

:inquisitive:

Kage's not worth wasting a lynch on, but I would still like there to be an option to remove him later on if necessary.

I don't think he's going to be active at night for the town, but, if he is scum, you can bet he will be active.

I think Sasaki is a safe bet to take him out.

pevergreen

01-21-2011, 12:13

I think Sasaki

:rtwno:

Askthepizzaguy

01-21-2011, 12:16

Unless you want to do the deed personally, O master of masters.

If Kage's not going to contribute, then he is a viable suspect and a less viable underling. I wouldn't ignore him forever.

pevergreen

01-21-2011, 12:19

Unless you want to do the deed personally, O master of masters.

:rtwno:

If Kage's not going to contribute, then he is a viable suspect and a less viable underling. I wouldn't ignore him forever.

:yes:

Duel: Sasaki vs Kage
:rtwno:

Duel:Kage vs xxxx
:rtwyes:

classical_hero

01-21-2011, 12:37

Slashandburn has an attack power of 8 or over. (the three attackers on him were 2,2,4)

I was asked to join that group, but Pizza was wanting me to attack Lord of Lent (which I did.) for some sort of masterplan.
Actually since I was one of the attackers, he would have had to have a strength of >9 since I have a strength of 3, in accordance to my duel with GE, so he became 0 and I gained a strength as a result of winning the duel. So I do know then who is the strongest one in our group of four. So please speak up now or forever hold your peace.

Askthepizzaguy

01-21-2011, 12:40

A thought:

Kagemusha versus Slashandburn?

A double-edged sword, there are downsides. Makes a known SK more powerful, but therefore a more likely mafia target.

Possible for Kage to win, reduce Slash's power, and we learn something new about Kage.

We lynch Slashandburn in due time anyway, and reveals no other strong roles in the process. If Slash is to be our pawn, put him to work, or do away with him, I'd suggest.

Diamondeye

01-21-2011, 12:55

Isn't strength always 1-5?

pevergreen

01-21-2011, 14:46

Actually since I was one of the attackers, he would have had to have a strength of >9

:no:

Beefy187

01-21-2011, 15:01

Vote: Sasaki

Duel: Reenk vs Reenk (Beefy are you counting these? :stwmean: The greatest battle to be fought is the one within yourself)

I am indeed
Sorry no one else is voting for it :beam:

Isn't strength always 1-5?

Correct :bow: Maximum for any character is 5

Beefy187

01-21-2011, 15:09

Day 3 summery
Lord Naritsugu came skipping out of the room to the still noisy garden.

"SILENCE! Lord Naritsugu is present." Kitou shouted.
"people" spoke Lord Naritsugu, with a lower case p. " Good discussion today. Very good. Its such a sunny day, what say we all leave here alive today? Ey?"

Samurais looked at each other as the rain continued to strike their cheeks. But they didn't mind that offer.

"However I do like to see duels! Duels! I love duels! Come forward Sasaki! Come forward Kage!"
So the duo who wasn't even voted for came out to fight. Crowd cheered as Sasaki came out once more while the pizzaguy in the afterlife nodded in approval.

Sasaki kept his Katana in the sheath prepared in the Iai form while Kage pulled out his Wakisashi and held it up side down.. The assassins form.
No jokes, no taunts. The two silent Samurais glared and read each others breaths. Then they started simultaneously. 3 seconds later they were on the opposite side. Kage held his bleeding stomach, while Sasaki calmly placed his Katana back in the sheath. Unharmed.

Kage was taken away to the medics while Sasaki left in applause.
"MERRY ME SASAKI SAN!"
"YOUR MY HERO SASAKI SAN!"
"SENSEI!!"

Once they finished discussing todays duel, each of them went back to their position. Not knowing what might happen next.

Players 21/28
pevergreen
secura
Captain Blackadder
Glenn
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Cecil XIX
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
Chimpyang
slashandburn
Kagemusha
Nightbringer
Csargo

Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan

Killed 5/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy

Start night 3!!

classical_hero

01-21-2011, 15:30

Well our attack did show up something of what slashandburn is, so if he does not want be attacked tonight, then please contact me and tell us what you are doing tonight. Also it looks like Beskar got confused as the total strength and stating that someone was a four, since no one in our group of vigs has that strengh, but our total strength of the attack was as stated, just that he forgot that I gain power from my duel.

Secura

01-21-2011, 15:44

I'll be in touch regarding vigilante attacks tonight, once I've checked over Pizza's notes/possible suspects and spoken with pevergreen.

Kagemusha

01-21-2011, 15:48

Can i perform seppuku because of the disgrace and humiliation over loosing a duel? Or maybe because i dont have a clue about the game as i havent been around to even read the game?

pevergreen

01-21-2011, 16:10

Can i perform seppuku because of the disgrace and humiliation over loosing a duel? Or maybe because i dont have a clue about the game as i havent been around to even read the game?

:no:

then please contact me and tell us what you are doing tonight.
:no:

Secura
:yes:

slashandburn

01-22-2011, 02:57

Strength level for me is four.

Beefy187

01-22-2011, 06:01

Can i perform seppuku because of the disgrace and humiliation over loosing a duel? Or maybe because i dont have a clue about the game as i havent been around to even read the game?

I could replace you. If any of the killed guys wants another go at the game :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-22-2011, 06:50

I could replace you. If any of the killed guys wants another go at the game :bow:

MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA

(I respectfully volunteer)

Lord of Lent

01-22-2011, 10:56

Me too. Just make sure not to kill me again, Pizza... I eat pizza's for lunch...

Beefy187

01-22-2011, 10:58

Checking with Kagemusha first. If he wishes to be replaced I would askthepizzaguy :bow:

Beefy187

01-22-2011, 13:37

2 hours remaining to send your orders in.

Beefy187

01-22-2011, 14:46

Quick result for the night.
Feeling feverish so I'll take a early nap.

Chimpyang, Cecil, Captainblackadder, Kagemusha and God Emperor is dead. Please start the day phase in advance.
I'll do the write up tomorrow.

Askthepizzaguy

01-22-2011, 14:48

Gah! I've been killed again, before I could play again! I've been post-death pre-killed!

Beefy187

01-23-2011, 02:09

Night 3 summery

http://samurai-warriors.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/samurai-training.jpg
Captain Blackadder was meditating, looking back to his life if what his done was right.
If he had not been listening to the surrounding, he might've not been able to sense the attack.
As the Yajin was the master of blending in the nature.

Captain Blackadder rolled forward to dodge the wooden stick.

"Aww missed." said the attacker.
http://www.cyzo.com/images/13shikaku03.jpg

"Have you got no honour?" said Captain Blackadder, spitting on the ground.
"Well, I thought surprise attack will end your misery faster." he answered.

Captain sighed and took out his sword. "Well then. Come on barbarian."

Captain Blackadder was simply over powered by his opponent. He taunted the Captain as he kept on dodging the attack.

"Aww.. Close. Aww. Almost"

Captain started panting, while his opponent energetically fought, slowly cornering the Captain.

"YARGH!!"
Suddenly the attacker smashed down his wooden stick at Blackadders head.
The Captain accidentally used his sword to block it.
Captain Blackadders sword broke in half, and the stick got his head anyway.

"Should've dodged." the attacker pitifully looked at the dying man. "Lets end your misery"
The attacker smacked the Captain in the head, this time getting it without any obstacles.

Captain Blackadder was no more

.................................................................................................... ...........

Not as large as yesterdays group, but the group of 5 was enough for anyone.
Tonights prey was Cecil.

"Are you hear to arrest me?" calmly asked Cecil. "If so, your dead wrong because I've done nothing wrong."
"Lying doesn't do you any good Cecil. If you want to live with honour, then better not to tell a lie." said one of the attacker. "

Cecil laughed. "What difference does it make? Lying or not, I'm still a dead Samurai"
Cecil drew his sword in a desperate attempt to live on. Attackers also drew their Katanas, slowly surrounding the man.

Battle was quickly over, Cecil was no more.

.................................................................................................... ..............

Chimpyang was patrolling the outside. As he turned the alley to the left, he noticed someone standing behind him.
Immediately noticing the danger, Chimpyang drew out his sword. Despite Chimpyangs action, his opponent didn't seem to be bothered.
He slowly drew out his sword and copied Chimpyangs form.

Chimpyang was one of the few man in the castle who have actually killed an man before. Thus he was one of the better swords man.
But after a few exchange of sword with this opponent, he knew he was about to get defeated.

Minute later, the attacker left. Leaving the cold corpse of Chimpyang.
"Not bad, but still weak" said the attacker. He sadly smiled and bowed to the dead man.

Chimpyang is no more

.................................................................................................... ...

Kagemusha was on a small holiday. He havn't been to any meeting or to patrols.
Kagemusha was perfectly safe in his favourite place... The library.
Except someone seemed to have thoght that Kagemusha is the traitor.

"Kage. I've been looking for you. Your the traitor aren't you?"
Kage only said no. He went back to searching for books.
The attacker drew out his sword and shouted "Take your sword out!!"

Kagemusha sighed and took out his Wakisashi with his uninjured arm. He took a glance at the attacker and sighed again.
"I can't win this. Can I ask you for a massive favour?" asked Kagemusha.
"To your enemies?" giggled the attacker. "Fine. Ask."
"Can you do the 介錯 (Kaishaku) for me?"

With that Kagemusha shoved in the Wakisashi on his own stomach.
Just before Kagemusha started to groan in agony, the attacker moved swiftly to cut off his head.

Successful Seppuku. The attacker bowed in respect.

Kagemusha is no more

.................................................................................................... ...............................

God Emperor was still recovering from his defeat in the duel.
When a visitor came over.

"Aww please.. What now?"
"Hello God Emperor... Remember me?"
"No. Friend or foe?"
"Foe"

God Emperor sighed and prepared to be killed.

"Well who are you?"
"Its me.. A Samurai."
"And what did I do to you to deserve this?"
"Well in my previous life... I was a legendary dwarf legionnaire."
"Dwarf legionnaire? I don't remember that...."
"You don't remember the fact that you don't owe me 20 gold pieces!!?? SINNER!! SINNER MUST BE KILLED!!"
"Umm... What?"

The attacker skipped at God Emperor, using a rather unusual form.
God Emperor who have lost the will to fight, simply waited for him to end the misery.

On his last breath God Emperor said.
"I remember now... About the 20 gold pieces.... Come collect in the next life..."

God Emperor is no more

...........................................................................................

"Kitou san? Where is Lord Naritsugu?"
"Umm... Away." answered Kitou.

Kitou knew exactly where he was. Local farming area, to find a pretty girl.
If only the rebels knew about it, Naritsugu could be dead 5 or 6 times already.
But only Kitou knew.

"Let us start the discussion before he get back." said Kitou

Players 16/28
pevergreen
secura
Glenn
Classical Hero
Diamondeye
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
slashandburn
Nightbringer
Csargo

Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan

Killed 10/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Cecil XIX
Captain Blackadder

Start day 4

classical_hero

01-23-2011, 02:32

We need to find those who are stronger that a 3 so we should be proposing duels.

Secura

01-23-2011, 02:40

Right, quite a few kills last nigh, however I've come across various pieces of information in addition to what I already know and will attempt to put together an idea of what occured over the night.

Firstly, slashandburn killed Captain Blackadder; this was at my request, with pever's blessing, based upon Pizza's suspicions before he found out about his death.

Secondly, we have the Cecil XIX kill; that was a co-ordinated vigilante attack based on a few suspicions, although there were supposed to be eight members and only five bothered to turn up... I know the identity of four of them (one of which was me, the other three confirmed their kill order was sent), so can the final person get back to me as to who they were? And can the rest get in touch and explain why they didn't act? I know I'm not as 'cool' as Pizza, but come on! ¬_¬

The Chimpyang kill, I'm not certain; I've been told that he chose to attack slashandburn with classical_hero last night and it may have gone awry, but I can't be certain. Perhaps classical could clear the matter up?

I have been informed that Kagemusha was killed by autolycus, who was one of the attackers of slashandburn the previous night. The question is, why target Kagemusha when he was easily beaten by Sasaki and thus highly likely to be a townie? Some explaination required.

And finally, the God Emperor kill; the killer mentions my mafia game from the summer and something that occured within that game... the killer can only be Reenk Roink. However, Reenk's been 'sponsored' by Lord Naritsugu, so should be considered off-limits until he decides otherwise. :/

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 02:43

However, Reenk's been 'sponsored' by Lord Naritsugu, so should be considered off-limits until he decides otherwise. :/

:yes:

:smitten:

Secura

01-23-2011, 02:46

I believe I've ascertained which three vigilantes failed to act, and I'll approach them privately to clear things up.

Currently, I believe that autolycus warrants the most scrutiny for the Kagemusha attack.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-23-2011, 02:52

vote:autolycus

However, I think we have to cut the vig groups now. A feature of the game is that when the vig groups are out, there is that much less defense of pever. What's the average townie level? 1 or 2?

I have been informed that Kagemusha was killed by autolycus, who was one of the attackers of slashandburn the previous night. The question is, why target Kagemusha when he was easily beaten by Sasaki and thus highly likely to be a townie? Some explaination required.

Additionally--kage had asked to be replaced, which is definitely a town tell from him, and he was being replaced by pizza, who the mafia fear.

Secura

01-23-2011, 02:58

I'll be reducing the vig group for the following night to keep more protection on Naritsugu; the average townie strength actually seems to be 1.

My gut reaction when I'd seen that Kagemusha had died was that it was specifically a mafia attack to keep Pizza out of the game; if my source regarding the killer is correct, then it was definitely autolycus. Bit of a low move no matter who it is, though.

I think he deserves a chance to explain, rather than let a runaway bandwagon go... but vote: autolycus in the meantime.

autolycus

01-23-2011, 03:27

I had been planning on going after slashandburn again because I don't like neutrals, I asked my colleagues on my vig squad if there was someone else they felt we should go after instead. Classical_hero sent a message back suggesting "kege", which I interpreted to be kagemusha, so I changed my target. Are we allowed to post PMs from other players in this game? If so, I'm happy to post the message from classical_hero. There's your explanation. I'll vote:csargo, for the moment.

Secura

01-23-2011, 03:37

slashandburn's trustworthy because he was given a target to kill and he followed through with it, so he's worth keeping around for as long as he is cooperative.

The rules don't mention PMs from other players, so it's probably fair game to post them in-thread; either way, we need to get the Kagemusha kill cleared up, it's a pretty scummy choice to make for a vigilante attack.

On an additional note, I'm not certain that Lord Naritsugu will approve of a vote against Csargo. :embarassed:

autolycus

01-23-2011, 03:52

Here you go.

I think that Kege is better to go after, since he "says" he is not paying much attention to this game, but I doubt that is true.
If the boss wants csargo around, so be it. Unvote; csargo. Do you know what our lord thinks of vote:nightbringer.

Chimpyang

01-23-2011, 04:35

I would probably reel the vig groups in, there's plenty of suspect evidence already out there. But who watches the watchmen? Sounds like I got wiped too.

autolycus

01-23-2011, 05:04

classical_hero, what did you do last night? You suggested kage, but weren't there with me attacking kage, nor were you attacking slashandburn. So what were you doing?

classical_hero

01-23-2011, 05:11

I was busy last night (in RL) and I had not heard anything so I just thought it might have been better to do nothing for the night and see the leads we have.

Yaropolk

01-23-2011, 05:17

vote: autolycus there was no need to kill a confirmed low strength person.
duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink enough of this RR vs RR challenge - how strong are you really?

classical_hero

01-23-2011, 05:36

If your going to blame someone, then blame me not autolycus.

Seon

01-23-2011, 06:27

If your going to blame someone, then blame me not autolycus.

Okay :)

Vote: classical Hero

slashandburn

01-23-2011, 06:36

vote: autolycus there was no need to kill a confirmed low strength person.
duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink enough of this RR vs RR challenge - how strong are you really?

Duel: Yaropolk vs. slashandburn
Vote: classical hero
Back off buddy

Nightbringer

01-23-2011, 08:41

vote: autolycus there was no need to kill a confirmed low strength person.
duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink enough of this RR vs RR challenge - how strong are you really?

Reenk is spoken for by pevergreen himself, i don't see why you need to see how strong he is so much!
vote:yarapolk

Askthepizzaguy

01-23-2011, 08:53

If your going to blame someone, then blame me not autolycus.

This is not a statement I would expect classical to make as scum.

Do you really believe this behavior makes sense from a mafia?

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 09:11

God Emperor was still recovering from his defeat in the duel.
When a visitor came over.

"Aww please.. What now?"
"Hello God Emperor... Remember me?"
"No. Friend or foe?"
"Foe"

God Emperor sighed and prepared to be killed.

"Well who are you?"
"Its me.. A Samurai."
"And what did I do to you to deserve this?"
"Well in my previous life... I was a legendary dwarf legionnaire."
"Dwarf legionnaire? I don't remember that...."
"You don't remember the fact that you don't owe me 20 gold pieces!!?? SINNER!! SINNER MUST BE KILLED!!"
"Umm... What?"

The attacker skipped at God Emperor, using a rather unusual form.
God Emperor who have lost the will to fight, simply waited for him to end the misery.

On his last breath God Emperor said.
"I remember now... About the 20 gold pieces.... Come collect in the next life..."

:laugh4: :2thumbsup: So good.

Although God Emperor is not the only one who didn't give me 20 gold...

And finally, the God Emperor kill; the killer mentions my mafia game from the summer and something that occured within that game... the killer can only be Reenk Roink. However, Reenk's been 'sponsored' by Lord Naritsugu, so should be considered off-limits until he decides otherwise. :/

I would watch the accusations if I were you. :stare: You are already treading on thin ice as is, as both myself and the champion of Lord pever are wary of your leadership, especially this business of leaving Lord pever open by wasting an insane amount of Samurai on poorly thought out vig kills. This is indeed why the first among the two of us had the previous organizer slain, and it was not a Mafia kill as you erroneously thought.

I will not hide my pleasure at the way the killer slew God Emperor, it was a long time coming, but perhaps you should consider the possibility that I was framed rather than be of a one-track mind.

:stwmean: You must search deep and ask yourself this question: would I really use my position with Lord pever to go and carry out murders based on motives from a past life with impunity?

duel: Yaropolk vs Reenk Roink enough of this RR vs RR challenge - how strong are you really?

The presumptuousness of this one! And his attempts at hindering my path to self-betterment! :stare: Vote: Yaropolk

If I am strong, then my strength is due to and reserved for our Lord. If I am weak, then I don't need to be strong with our Lord on my side. :bow:

Duel: Reenk vs. Reenk :stwshame: It is time now, correct my Lord?

Reenk is spoken for by pevergreen himself, i don't see why you need to see how strong he is so much!

Thank you Nightbringer, your earlier transgression is forgotten. :bow:

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 09:17

Duel: Reenk vs. Reenk :stwshame: It is time now, correct my Lord?

:bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-23-2011, 09:34

You must search deep and ask yourself this question: would I really use my position with Lord pever to go and carry out murders based on motives from a past life with impunity?

Yes, you would. :tongue2:

God Emperor

01-23-2011, 12:34

:laugh4: you just wont let it go Reenk

anyway I fine with my death in this game; I was completely useless to everyone and everything with a strength of zero

classical_hero

01-23-2011, 13:18

If I had not intervened then it would have been slashandburn we would have gone after instead.

Yaropolk

01-23-2011, 14:29

Reenk is spoken for by pevergreen himself, i don't see why you need to see how strong he is so much!

Where did you see pever speaking for Reenk? All I've seen is the usual pever-reenk smileys that they will do even if their goals are to kill each other.

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 14:33

Where did you see pever speaking for Reenk? All I've seen is the usual pever-reenk smileys that they will do even if their goals are to kill each other.

:stare:

Secura

01-23-2011, 15:13

:laugh4: :2thumbsup: So good.

Although God Emperor is not the only one who didn't give me 20 gold...

I would watch the accusations if I were you. :stare: You are already treading on thin ice as is, as both myself and the champion of Lord pever are wary of your leadership, especially this business of leaving Lord pever open by wasting an insane amount of Samurai on poorly thought out vig kills. This is indeed why the first among the two of us had the previous organizer slain, and it was not a Mafia kill as you erroneously thought.

I will not hide my pleasure at the way the killer slew God Emperor, it was a long time coming, but perhaps you should consider the possibility that I was framed rather than be of a one-track mind.

:stwmean: You must search deep and ask yourself this question: would I really use my position with Lord pever to go and carry out murders based on motives from a past life with impunity?

Reenk, I know that you die early quite often in mafia games these days, and I know that you rarely sign up unless the concept of the game entices you enough... but is this really the way to play? Other players in the role of Naritsugu wouldn't tolerate this, but it seems that because it's pever, you're allowed to literally get away with murder.

You cannot basically admit to killing God Emperor and then tell me not to accuse you of doing just that; it's obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that you're the killer, given the context of the narrative surrounding the kill.

Nor can you claim that myself or Pizza made poorly thought out vigilante kill choices when you have killed two people with zero strength. What was the reason for killing Pizza? And why the Dickens would you sanction such a move, pever?!

You and I both know that the close bond with pevergreen could be the perfect cover for a mafioso to hide under, and yet we're not allowed to touch you because pevergreen specifically says so? Even if you're not mafia, it's still foolish because you killed two town-aligned voters and ensured that the mafia weren't able to waste a kill on them... that's a bad choice in both regards.

The peverreenk thing was real cute and everything, and I was fine with supporting it and leaving you be... but I will not tolerate being threatened with death for actually trying to lead the town and keep the game going in some direction. I also won't stand for someone killing people who're basically proven to be town simply for gits and shiggles.

I also refuse to support a nepotist for a leader, because his intentions are not even remotely altruistic and are only counter-productive to a town victory. While we require pevergreen to survive the game in order to win, we can do that while ignoring what he says because he could well be (unknowingly) vetoing votes against mafia for all we know.

Someone has to make a stand, and since you killed Pizza, it's going to have to be me. I will lose the game if I die, so it doesn't matter either way; I'll still have my integrity because I distanced myself from this utterly silly manner in which you're approaching the game.

unvote, vote: Reenk Roink

@Yaropolk: pever spoke for Reenk (and Csargo) privately to me... they were not to be involved in any actions I organised at night, either as a participant or as a target. He basically vouched for them in asking me not to have them attacked. :/

@God Emperor: you were not useless, as you still held a vote to be used during the day time and you were still a potential target for the mafia to attack... wasting a kill on you means they are not attacking bigger targets.

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 15:56

4/01/2011 9:44:39 PM Beefy pever hey pever
4/01/2011 9:49:21 PM pever Beefy hey beefy
4/01/2011 9:50:07 PM Beefy pever just a sec
4/01/2011 9:52:35 PM Beefy pever sorry i'm back
4/01/2011 9:53:03 PM Beefy pever so its going to be awesome role hopefully but its going to be hard work for you
4/01/2011 9:53:10 PM pever Beefy im up to it :D
4/01/2011 9:53:35 PM Beefy pever your identity will be publicly announced
4/01/2011 9:54:13 PM Beefy pever you will have to coordinate all the towns info and moves
4/01/2011 9:54:55 PM Beefy pever and you'll have to role play brutal guy who likes surprise [removed two words for gameroom policy, but it basically 'in the rear with the gear') and killing
4/01/2011 9:55:06 PM pever Beefy hahaha
4/01/2011 9:55:16 PM pever Beefy really think that will be hard for me? :P
4/01/2011 9:55:23 PM Beefy pever awesome
4/01/2011 9:55:40 PM pever Beefy ^_^
4/01/2011 9:58:02 PM pever Beefy so basically, i'm just the co-ordinator and main target for the mafia
4/01/2011 9:58:17 PM Beefy pever yup
4/01/2011 9:59:26 PM pever Beefy now lets just hope Reenk plays
4/01/2011 9:59:27 PM pever Beefy :D
4/01/2011 10:00:01 PM Beefy pever pever reenk ey? :D
4/01/2011 10:00:06 PM pever Beefy peverreenk indeed.

Secura
:stare:

Secura

01-23-2011, 16:00

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 16:03

Then what's the point in the playing the game if you're capable of lynching anyone you want?

Factor in that dying means instant defeat, and this game's looking alot less fun than it did at the outset.

18/01/2011 9:17:26 AM Askthepizzaguy pever So, our votes are indeed silly
18/01/2011 9:17:29 AM Askthepizzaguy pever you choose the lynch
18/01/2011 9:17:51 AM pever Askthepizzaguy i can not choose, and leave it to the votes
18/01/2011 9:18:01 AM pever Askthepizzaguy and im hardly going to pick a lynch for every day
18/01/2011 9:18:18 AM pever Askthepizzaguy if i was sasaki or something, and i could tell who was who
18/01/2011 9:18:20 AM pever Askthepizzaguy i would
18/01/2011 9:18:28 AM pever Askthepizzaguy but im pever, bad at townie
18/01/2011 9:18:37 AM pever Askthepizzaguy subotan cannot go unpunished though.

Yaropolk

01-23-2011, 16:06

edit ugh

Secura

01-23-2011, 16:14

That doesn't mean jack; if you don't like the way a lynch looks, you can have it go your way regardless of everyone else's opinion. That does lead to nepotism.

I'm actually fine with you vouching for Reenk, if you say he's town then fair enough... but what I'm not okay with is the killing of Pizza/God Emperor who were no threat to anyone. I'm also not okay with being told that I should watch my accusations lest I follow suit.

How is that conducive to town victory? Pizza and I can be slated for the coordinated vigilante attacks, but at least they were potential suspects and overall unknown quantities. >.<

As for slashandburn, he was offered a choice by Beefy; become town, become mafia or remain neutral... he chose the cause of Lord Naritsugu.

God Emperor

01-23-2011, 16:19

good thing you are around Secura.. you are awesome !:thumbsup: seriously.

Keep up the good work :beam:

Yaropolk

01-23-2011, 16:20

Ugh, forgot that Slash was the SK. How do you know he can win with town?

Secura

01-23-2011, 16:25

He claims to have received a PM from Beefy offering him the choice of what to do; he chose to act with the town and has stated that he's only capable of winning with us now.

Since he followed the order to vig Captain Blackadder and willingly PM'd me about the choice Beefy had offered him, I'm willing to give him a little breathing space for now.

Askthepizzaguy

01-23-2011, 16:28

Ugh, forgot that Slash was the SK. How do you know he can win with town?

He probably can't. Coordinated vigs are the best odds of winning the game though.

Secura

01-23-2011, 17:00

unvote, after speaking to pevergreen.

If you want vigilante attacks to stop though, you should ensure that they all stop, Naritsugu. :bow:

pevergreen

01-23-2011, 17:06

vigilante attacks stop

:yes:

Askthepizzaguy

01-23-2011, 17:07

Well, personal feelings aside, town will be nothing but a disastrous failure if it doesn't have a single coordinated plan.

As the previous has been rejected, I can only offer support to pevergreen's plan and hope for the best, and encourage all townies to follow it exactly.

Secura

01-23-2011, 17:10

I mean all vigilante attacks, including Reenk's; this game cannot be one rule for some, another for everyone else... we'll just lose that way.

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 17:56

Reenk, I know that you die early quite often in mafia games these days,

That's been what, 2 games, TAS and CoV, that I've died early. Other games I've played within the year I've lasted long, so no biggie. And in the past I've been able to survive in games when I would take a step back and say "man why didn't they lynch me for saying that or doing that?" so I'm not some sort of UltraWar victim here, don't worry. I was killed/lynched off very early frequently way back when, but that doesn't happen much now.

and I know that you rarely sign up unless the concept of the game entices you enough...

Very true.

but is this really the way to play?

Of course. On top of the extremely nice and novel mechanics of this game which allow for some great gameplay moves, pever is the Lord. You think I won't exploit this situation for all the fun and interesting possibilities it offers.

Other players in the role of Naritsugu wouldn't tolerate this, but it seems that because it's pever, you're allowed to literally get away with murder.

Certainly that's true, but we are not speaking of abstract hypotheticals here, we are talking about a very specific situation, so let's stick to it.

Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai... :wall:

So be careful of whining about the situation, k? :wink:

You cannot basically admit to killing God Emperor and then tell me not to accuse you of doing just that; it's obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that you're the killer, given the context of the narrative surrounding the kill.

This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me? This isn't some brand new idea either, it has happened many times before.

Nor can you claim that myself or Pizza made poorly thought out vigilante kill choices when you have killed two people with zero strength.

Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.

What was the reason for killing Pizza?

The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills. There was also another reason for attacking Atpg, and indeed anyone who loses a duel. You will not come to know of it yet. Atpg and GE can PM me if they want to know.

And why the Dickens would you sanction such a move, pever?!

Because it was an awesome move.

You and I both know that the close bond with pevergreen could be the perfect cover for a mafioso to hide under, and yet we're not allowed to touch you because pevergreen specifically says so?

Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.

By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever (also think on that before you act like I had something to do with GE's death). So don't only act like your sword has been restrained by pever.

Even if you're not mafia, it's still foolish because you killed two town-aligned voters and ensured that the mafia weren't able to waste a kill on them... that's a bad choice in both regards.

Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.

As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute. Can you honestly not see beyond me for a second? :wink:

The peverreenk thing was real cute and everything,

Cute? I think she is patronizing us Lord pever... :angry:

and I was fine with supporting it and leaving you be... but I will not tolerate being threatened with death for actually trying to lead the town and keep the game going in some direction.

Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. :rolleyes: Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong. :wall:

I also won't stand for someone killing people who're basically proven to be town simply for gits and shiggles.

How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break. :rolleyes: Besides this game features conversion. By the way the "gits and shiggles" would only be icing on the cake for our alleged kills.

It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. :rolleyes: TOO BAD! :laugh4: Stop vigging, and myself and the champion of the Lord will lose much of our justification as well.

I also refuse to support a nepotist for a leader, because his intentions are not even remotely altruistic and are only counter-productive to a town victory. While we require pevergreen to survive the game in order to win, we can do that while ignoring what he says because he could well be (unknowingly) vetoing votes against mafia for all we know.

Treason. Blatant treason. :laugh4: Kill please. :knight:

Someone has to make a stand, and since you killed Pizza, it's going to have to be me. I will lose the game if I die, so it doesn't matter either way; I'll still have my integrity because I distanced myself from this utterly silly manner in which you're approaching the game.

I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control. :laugh4:

unvote, vote: Reenk Roink

Unvote, Vote: Secura

Diamondeye

01-23-2011, 18:09

vote: Reenk Roink :stare:

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 18:14

That doesn't mean jack; if you don't like the way a lynch looks, you can have it go your way regardless of everyone else's opinion. That does lead to nepotism.

That's the POINT of the game. Beefy made it clear who the Lord was before signups ended. That is the role, whoever has it. You just seem bitter because things aren't going exactly your way in everything, even though Lord pever has been nice enough to invest in you a great deal of power anyway. :rolleyes:

but what I'm not okay with is the killing of Pizza/God Emperor who were no threat to anyone. I'm also not okay with being told that I should watch my accusations lest I follow suit.

Atpg was the organizer of the largest vig group. He was a direct threat to townies (and Mafia as well of course, but more likely townies), and furthermore, his horde policy was a threat to pever. You continue that policy.

Who were your vig targets a threat to? Your power? :rolleyes: They touched off your scumdar? :rolleyes:

How is that conducive to town victory? Pizza and I can be slated for the coordinated vigilante attacks, but at least they were potential suspects and overall unknown quantities. >.<

:laugh4: The sheer high-falutin' nature of your justification just adds more absurdity to this situation. I like it. :beam:

He claims to have received a PM from Beefy offering him the choice of what to do; he chose to act with the town and has stated that he's only capable of winning with us now.

Since he followed the order to vig Captain Blackadder and willingly PM'd me about the choice Beefy had offered him, I'm willing to give him a little breathing space for now.

Wow, do you not see how easy it is to infiltrate your group if "following orders" is the way to go. SK's need to kill people, why wouldn't he just listen to you and kill for you? Not to mention the point about your suspects and unknowns that was made earlier. :rolleyes:

I mean all vigilante attacks, including Reenk's; this game cannot be one rule for some, another for everyone else... we'll just lose that way.

I really hope you understand what the second clause of your post is saying, and do some deep introspection. Because unfortunately, given your other posts, it seems to me you probably have completely missed the point and only see it as some jab at a perceived nepotism of pever towards me.

Secura

01-23-2011, 18:49

Besides, other players in the role of Naritsugu CERTAINLY wouldn't tolerate YOUR role in a mass vig killing group utilizing a neutral killer as well, all the while leaving pever open by using so many samurai... :wall:

And yet pevergreen passed on all of Pizza's information to me and endorsed the vigilante killings, simply asking that I not involve or target two specific people.

It depends on the player in the role, but you're utilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends; if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.

This is definitely a problem. How did I basically admit to killing GE? The kill writeup is suggestive of me, agreed. However, you really cannot even open your mind to the possibility that it would be crafted in such a way to frame me?

So you're honestly saying that it's a set-up?

While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.

Why can I not? Even if I had killed two people, it would still not stop me for criticizing you for killing more than two people.

Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!

The champion of pever and I wanted to send a message to the vig groups due to poor kill choices, and ESPECIALLY the amount of people used in the kills.

In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.

Because it was an awesome move.

It was a completely foolish move, Reenk.

Of course this is a possibility. What is also true and you omit is that your role as organizer of the Mafia groups is also a perfect cover for the Mafia. Much better than mine indeed, as if you are Mafia, or become converted, you have much more resources with all the samurai rabble than myself of the champion of the Lord do.

Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?

"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".

By the way, were it not for pever disapproving, I would have certainly had you killed as soon as you started your organizations. Sasaki would also have been dead were it not for Lord pever.

I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.

Voting doesn't matter in this game, the cannon fodder thing is the only loss, as both Atpg and GE can certainly continue to offer their insights in the thread.

I wouldn't have agreed with this statement earlier today, but having learned that pevergreen can veto any lynch he wants, I find I have to agree... voting's pretty useless.

As compared to the blood on your hands compared to my ALLEGED hit list, you have killed more powerful townies who also have the cannon fodder attribute.

More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.

Yes, yes, bring on the martyr complexion. :rolleyes: Like the rest of the town, including myself don't want what's best for the Lord, but of course, if it clashes with your envisioned direction, it is wrong. :wall:

So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

How are they any more proven townie than all the vig targets you have killed? Give me a freakin' break.

So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?

It seems to me that you are just bitter because the vigging is not going in the singular direction you want it to be. :rolleyes: TOO BAD!

Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?

Treason. Blatant treason. :laugh4: Kill please. :knight:

We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.

If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.

I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.

I can't believe the irony is completely lost on you here. What is utterly silly is the way you have managed the vig kills. Our actions serve as a caricature of yours, with an attempted pedagogical purpose, but you are simply blinded by your weird sense of principles, and what seems like a mix of jealousy, bitterness, and lack of total control. :laugh4:

I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?

Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!

And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?

Unvote, Vote: Secura

If you really want to lynch me or vig-kill me, go for it... hell, get pever to override the lynch and do it for you, saves you the votes then.

:bow:

Diamondeye

01-23-2011, 18:57

Sasaki Kojiro

01-23-2011, 18:58

:laugh4: slash claims to have received a role that means he now works with the town?

unvote, vote:slashandburn

I suppose if reenk ends up lynched we will see if pever can choose the lynch after all.

Secura

01-23-2011, 19:02

vote: Reenk Roink :stare:

I'm afraid that this is a wasted vote, Diamondeye; you cannot lynch Reenk.

That's the POINT of the game. Beefy made it clear who the Lord was before signups ended. That is the role, whoever has it. You just seem bitter because things aren't going exactly your way in everything, even though Lord pever has been nice enough to invest in you a great deal of power anyway. :rolleyes:

Again you resort to calling me bitter for no reason; it's a forum-based game, Reenk... I've got more important things to be bitter about like my sub-par financial situation, men thinking they can treat-me-mean-keep-me-keen or the fact I have to pay three times the money to complete my last year of university than I did the first.

The point of this game, or any game for that matter, is fun; is it fun to discuss and vote, come to some sort of agreement and go ahead for the lynch... only for someone to be able to overturn it? Would you not be pissed if I constantly prevented everyone from lynching my friends?

Atpg was the organizer of the largest vig group. He was a direct threat to townies (and Mafia as well of course, but more likely townies), and furthermore, his horde policy was a threat to pever. You continue that policy.

I don't understand this whatsoever; "horde policy", "a threat to pever"?! pevergreen was fine with what Pizza was doing!

Who were your vig targets a threat to? Your power? :rolleyes: They touched off your scumdar? :rolleyes:

Yes, they were a huge threat to me, a weak kunoichi; I was ever so afraid of them. :rolleyes:

Wow, do you not see how easy it is to infiltrate your group if "following orders" is the way to go. SK's need to kill people, why wouldn't he just listen to you and kill for you? Not to mention the point about your suspects and unknowns that was made earlier. :rolleyes:

You say this as though I haven't remotely considered it!

I've seen serial killers play the good cop role with the town only to backstab them in the end, it happens. I didn't specifically state that slashandburn should be trusted until the end of the game, merely that he should be given a little breathing space for now, in my own opinion.

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 19:28

And yet pevergreen passed on all of Pizza's information to me and endorsed the vigilante killings, simply asking that I not involve or target two specific people.

Yup. And am I complaining loudly about pever's nepotism towards you? the point of that reply was to show that your statement of "had pever not been Lord you couldn't do what I accuse you of doing" applies to you as well. That's it?

It depends on the player in the role, but you're utilisingabusing the position of pevergreen to your own ends;

We feel the same way about you, to be sure.

if pevergreen doesn't like the vigilante attacks, which he has already stated, then they stop, it's as simple as that.

Yup. Same here, and you act as if pever has let me do everything I want. I bring the example of Sasaki again...

Honestly, call me whatever, I love to spar, but stop talking crap about pever when you don't even have the full inside information. Has it ever occurred to you that there was a bigger reason to protect the two names he gave you than just pevereenk or whatever? Has it ever occurred to you that I have told pever everything I know just as you, and am either making or not making my moves on his command as well.

While I don't buy it personally, I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility; if that's the case, you're either talking about someone who played the game (Beskar, autolycus, Skooma Addict are ones that I can recall) or you're suggesting me as the perpetrator.

It could very well be those people, or yourself. Also people read games who don't play them, and I made mention of the 20 gold thing in CoV as well.

Because it's hypocrisy! You're criticising me for "poor vig choices" and yet you have made equally poor ones yourself!

YES! Now you get it! By the way, hypocrisy doesn't really preclude one from criticizing, though it does lessen to value of it in many cases. A smoker can tell his kid not to smoke for example. One of the major points of the Atpg kill which we both agreed upon, was to show how dumb the vig kills were. Also you gotta admit it is pretty ironic and mildly entertaining that a guy who is commanding a horde was killed easily by one person. :beam:

If you really want to know another reason here it is. While killing a 0 strength player would make one less kill for the Mafia, a 0 strength player very importantly adds nothing to the defense of pever. We were thinking, Atpg has just organized a huge number of people against what is probably an innocent. He isn't valuable to the defense of pever either. Another rationalization for attacking him is that should the attack fail, then the guy quite clearly was not a 1 strength townie, and this would be exposed immediately. At the risk of not too big a loss of a 0 strength townie. Atpg will continue to help town after his death anyway.

In what sense were they poor kill choices? I'm willing to listen to what you have to say here.

In what sense were ours of Atpg, after what you have read above? By the way, take this to PM, because some sensitive information may be leaked.

Yeah, sure, organising vigilante attacks is a decent cover as well, but since I'm certain of my own innocence, why mention something that isn't a possibility?

I'm certain of my innocence as well Secura. Furthermore, given how nice pever has been to me this game, I have an EXTREMELY low incentive to betray him. This is like the opposite of Shadow Fort when he was being cold to me, which held me off from investigating him as a recruit. You on the other hand have said some quite treasonous things. :wink:

"Much better" is subjective, by the way; pevergreen's expressed that we shouldn't touch you whatsoever, basically... you cannot get any better than being vouched for on the basis of "Reenk would never lie to me!".

I wouldn't, especially in the case I am in right now, betray pever at all. In Pirate Ship Mafia, I was initially going to betray TinCow because he annoyed the heck out of me with his "I like to play cautious stop forcing my hand thing." But after a while, and all of the help he gave me which he didn't have to, and how fun it was to play with him, I wouldn't even consider backstabbing him. Same way with pever. Even more so I guess.

This has been with the combination of Beefy's mechanic and writing, and pever being the Lord, the best game I have played in a long time, why should I ruin the good thing I have going? Don't worry though, I doubt I'll be playing many games in the foreseeable future so this is the only one you have to deal with this with.

I still fail to see how acting like this is conducive to a town victory.

Sasaki is very powerful, at least a strength 3. Also, knowing Sasaki, he would be a likely one to jump ship and join Mafia. I honestly would want him dead today, but pever has refused two times before. So be it. As for you, same reason as for Atpg. Moreso even.

More powerful townies how? There's no evidence as to whether they had one strength or five, and while Pizza/God Emperor had zero strength, they were contributing more than the three targets killed by coordinated attacks.

Because they had 1 strength. Obviously we know Atpg had 0 as a 1 strength attacker was sent to him. I know nothing about GE, but 0 seems like a decent guess. A 1 strength townie adds to pever's defense, especially if he's not doing anything. A zero strength doesn't. Simple. Atpg can certainly continue to help us in death, as can GE.

So, basically... you're allowed to threaten me with death, which let's not forget means I will lose no matter the game's outcome, and I'm supposed to be okay with that?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Come on, you know how I operate. If I could do more than just THREATEN you with death, then I would leave out that step. See Atpg. Lord pever has declared you off limits. I am respecting that. not to mention that you are voting for me and threatening me in some way as well. :rolleyes: It's part of the banter, I suggest you enjoy it a bit. :smiley:

So you're disputing that Pizza and God Emperor were town?

No, how did you infer that from my statement? Atpg is almost certainly town, or was a 1 strength mafia which doesn't make too much sense. I don't know much about GE, but he was probably town given the writeup that showed he was too weak to fight back.

Are you disputing that who you killed were town?

Hahaha! It doesn't have anything to do with bitterness or anything puerile like that; I can't believe you'd degenerate a good argument by resorting to stuff like that?

You did seem bitter, because essentially, you came off as very upset that we would be operating in a vig group outside your jurisdiction and killing people yo didn't want killed. Well, we could say the same thing about your kill choices. In fact, that was kinda the point of it all.

We're playing for a town victory, not a peverreenk victory.

Yeah, who said we're playing for a pevereenk victory but you? here are the victory conditions, you should know them if you're a townie :inquisitive:, but here they are:

Reenk Roink
Town
Strength: 5

Greetings Reenk Roink. You are one of the few friend pevergreen has. Well not sure about what pevergreen thinks of you, but you think he is anyway. Your job is to protect pevergreen

Major Victory: Two original mafia killed and pevergreen survives 15 night phases
Minor Victory: pevergreen survives 15 night phases
Minor Defeat: pevergreen dies
Major Defeat: Failure to survive

If this favouritism rubbish continues, what's the point in even following what pever says? We make a conscious lynch decision, he can override it on the slightest whim.

I was thinking almost the same thing in whats the point with you running around with your behind the scenes notes and talk, killing who you see is bad. I'm not trying to be mean here, but this is how the game works, pever calls the shots. :shrug:

I'm playing to win the game with pever, not in spite of him.

Same.

I'm not certain what you're trying to say here; what's the problem with the way that the vig-kills have been managed? I'm doing exactly what Pizza did, following his instructions to the letter and yet did you take him to task for it?

Oh yes, that's right! You killed him instead!

Yes, we certainly don't like when who are most likely 1 strength townies who aren't leaving pever to dry by just default protecting him are killed. We see it as a much larger violation than killing a 0 strength townie who was actually directing vig kills and leaving pever open. You may disagree, but we definitely feel we have the stronger case.

Come on, arguing with Atpg is time consuming. Can you at least give us points for efficiency? :beam:

And what the hell is this "jealousy, bitterness and lack of control" tripe about, apart from descending into slating me personally again?

You really did seem to portray that in your posts. I may be wrong and you were just a merely outraged townie at my threat, but that's what I thought. Sorry if I was wrong. :shrug:

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 19:36

I'm afraid that this is a wasted vote, Diamondeye; you cannot lynch Reenk.

But look at his threat to kill me in the night! I'm sure you will argue as ferociously against it as you did me. :rolleyes:

Anyone who kills me will not survive the game by the way. There are two of us. And Lord pever. :bow:

Again you resort to calling me bitter for no reason; it's a forum-based game, Reenk... I've got more important things to be bitter about like my sub-par financial situation, men thinking they can treat-me-mean-keep-me-keen or the fact I have to pay three times the money to complete my last year of university than I did the first.

The point of this game, or any game for that matter, is fun; is it fun to discuss and vote, come to some sort of agreement and go ahead for the lynch... only for someone to be able to overturn it? Would you not be pissed if I constantly prevented everyone from lynching my friends?

Again, I'm sorry, and it's not namecalling in intent at least, but you really do seem bitter, even in this post. Again, THIS IS THE POINT OF THE GAME. You really seem pissed about it. And to be honest, I probably wouldn't have joined this game had pever not told me that he got the role of the Lord.

Not that it matters now, you've basically have a mutiny on your hands, and pever and you if you want wont stop it.

I don't understand this whatsoever; "horde policy", "a threat to pever"?! pevergreen was fine with what Pizza was doing!

Lord pever is a very generous ruler, who treats his subjects with a light hand. His bickering subjects on the other hand... :laugh4:

The point is pretty simple though Secura, if a lot of people are out killing at night, pever's defense drops for every one of them. I really can't see how this principle can be argued.

You say this as though I haven't remotely considered it!

I've seen serial killers play the good cop role with the town only to backstab them in the end, it happens. I didn't specifically state that slashandburn should be trusted until the end of the game, merely that he should be given a little breathing space for now, in my own opinion.

I would have s&b killed ASAP. Say you got another 8 people running around tonight to kill me, then s&b might want to take a shot at pever, as do the Mafia. Perhaps they overcome his defense at that point?

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 19:45

I'd vote RR again if I could out of principle. I wouldn't be sad to see him lynched today.

That said; Vigilante crew (formerly ATPG's guys), want to break RR tonight? I think we can take him if we're 8.

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Diamondeye

01-23-2011, 20:26

Secura

01-23-2011, 20:27

Yup. And am I complaining loudly about pever's nepotism towards you? the point of that reply was to show that your statement of "had pever not been Lord you couldn't do what I accuse you of doing" applies to you as well. That's it?

Yes, I will concede that pever's shown me quite a bit of faith, particularly in passing on Pizza's information to me and so on.

However, there's one slight difference between myself and you though; neither of us are confirmed innocents, but for pever, your word alone suffices whereas mine does not.

I have stated my opinion on that friendship stance (Beskar and I have known one another for twelve years but we're not above lying to each other for mafia if it's required), but if he maintains you're innocent, then you must be.

We feel the same way about you, to be sure.

I'm not quite certain how, but fair enough.

Honestly, call me whatever, I love to spar, but stop talking crap about pever when you don't even have the full inside information.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Has it ever occurred to you that there was a bigger reason to protect the two names he gave you than just pevereenk or whatever? Has it ever occurred to you that I have told pever everything I know just as you, and am either making or not making my moves on his command as well.

Yes and yes, actually.

It could very well be those people, or yourself. Also people read games who don't play them, and I made mention of the 20 gold thing in CoV as well.

The twenty gold thing was mentioned, yes... but the "dwarven legionnaire" bit, you'd have had to have participated, or at least read the thread, to know that.

One of the major points of the Atpg kill which we both agreed upon, was to show how dumb the vig kills were. Also you gotta admit it is pretty ironic and mildly entertaining that a guy who is commanding a horde was killed easily by one person. :beam:

I still don't understand why Pizza's loyalty and relaying everything through pevergreen was rewarded with a vig-kill... to prove a point?

While killing a 0 strength player would make one less kill for the Mafia, a 0 strength player very importantly adds nothing to the defense of pever. We were thinking, Atpg has just organized a huge number of people against what is probably an innocent. He isn't valuable to the defense of pever either. Another rationalization for attacking him is that should the attack fail, then the guy quite clearly was not a 1 strength townie, and this would be exposed immediately. At the risk of not too big a loss of a 0 strength townie. Atpg will continue to help town after his death anyway.

I knew all this already, but I still don't like to say that a player's useless just because their role has been neutered. The thing is, this game offers little to a player after death; why bother to contribute when you've lost anyway?

On that note, I'm not sure Pizza will continue to contribute after something we discussed earlier; I do hope he changes his mind, though.

You on the other hand have said some quite treasonous things. :wink:

That's my opinion, and I'd honestly say it again if need be; it's our right to question, after all.

Come on, you know how I operate. If I could do more than just THREATEN you with death, then I would leave out that step. See Atpg. Lord pever has declared you off limits. I am respecting that. not to mention that you are voting for me and threatening me in some way as well. :rolleyes: It's part of the banter, I suggest you enjoy it a bit. :smiley:

I unvoted you after speaking to pever, though; I'm not certain how you mean threatening though, not much I could do against you even if I wanted to. :P

No, how did you infer that from my statement? Atpg is almost certainly town, or was a 1 strength mafia which doesn't make too much sense. I don't know much about GE, but he was probably town given the writeup that showed he was too weak to fight back.

Because your statement seemed to insinuate that I had decided they were proven town of my own volition regardless of any evidence there could have been to the contrary.

Are you disputing that who you killed were town?

I have no idea, no reveals upon death.

You did seem bitter, because essentially, you came off as very upset that we would be operating in a vig group outside your jurisdiction and killing people yo didn't want killed.

That doesn't really bother me, there's other people been wandering around killing without talking to anyone and they probably will continue to do so after pever says they shouldn't.

Yeah, who said we're playing for a pevereenk victory but you? here are the victory conditions, you should know them if you're a townie :inquisitive:, but here they are:

It's an off-the-cuff statement, Reenk; it didn't need you posting your role PM.

Come on, arguing with Atpg is time consuming. Can you at least give us points for efficiency? :beam:

It's fun, though!

You really did seem to portray that in your posts. I may be wrong and you were just a merely outraged townie at my threat, but that's what I thought. Sorry if I was wrong. :shrug:

I think any player would react like me if they were threatened by Naritsugu's right-hand man; apology accepted, however.

Secura

01-23-2011, 20:33

But look at his threat to kill me in the night! I'm sure you will argue as ferociously against it as you did me. :rolleyes:

Anyone who kills me will not survive the game by the way. There are two of us. And Lord pever. :bow:

pevergreen asked me to desist with the vigilante attacks, and so there won't be any coming from me; however, I cannot ensure that the rest of my group will comply with that, let alone the independent vigilantes.

Again, I'm sorry, and it's not namecalling in intent at least, but you really do seem bitter, even in this post. Again, THIS IS THE POINT OF THE GAME. You really seem pissed about it. And to be honest, I probably wouldn't have joined this game had pever not told me that he got the role of the Lord.

I'm not pissed off, I just like to think I sign up for a game and get my fun out of it; that hasn't happened in quite a while unfortunately, but at least this one's had some action. :>

Not that it matters now, you've basically have a mutiny on your hands, and pever and you if you want wont stop it.

What do you mean?

I would have s&b killed ASAP. Say you got another 8 people running around tonight to kill me, then s&b might want to take a shot at pever, as do the Mafia. Perhaps they overcome his defense at that point?

For now, I'd be willing to accept slash's claims that he has an entirely new role. However, if pever wants him dead, he should say so. :bow:

slashandburn

01-23-2011, 20:36

I will kill or protect by the direction of pever or one of his representatives. I can prove im not a serial killer by not killing tonight or for the rest of the game if you think that's approriate, pever?

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 21:07

I'm gonna streamline things a bit for easier reading.

Diamondeye: Man, my Time Cube buddy, I tried to honor you by communicating with one of my favorite songs, and you reply with Britney? Britney isn't even too much to look at anymore, I think Simon, John, and Nick are prettier. :sad:

Secura:

However, there's one slight difference between myself and you though; neither of us are confirmed innocents, but for pever, your word alone suffices whereas mine does not.

I'm fairly sure that pever is using more than my word at this point. I have also given further reasons why pever should trust me more than often. I'm not in the business of betraying people who have been good to me. It's not just blind pevereenk.

Also, could you tell me why your word does not suffice alone? I don't think pever has a detective result on you, and yet you are the second most powerful player in the game besides pever.

I still don't understand why Pizza's loyalty and relaying everything through pevergreen was rewarded with a vig-kill... to prove a point?

Yes. Since our convo is all over the place, here are our justifications for killing Atpg:

1) He was leading vigging efforts. We didn't like that.
2) He was vigging with a very large amount of players, which left pever more vulnerable.
3) He had just lost a duel, and was at 0 strength. This meant he had no effect on pever's defense.
4) Given 3, we thought it was worth the risk of killing a 0 strength townie, to potentially flag someone who wasn't who he said he was.

Given all of these reasons, the vig on Atpg to us seems like the most justifiable one yet.

Can you please give your justifications for your killings? In private if need be.

I unvoted you after speaking to pever, though;

Ah, my bad. Unvote: Secura Though you had just as much chance of facing the lynch as I did.

It's fun, though!

Eh, it's all been done with Atpg before. I don't think I've argued with you in depth, a little in Shadow Fort, but not much arguing was needed to be done before you confessed.

I think any player would react like me if they were threatened by Naritsugu's right-hand man; apology accepted, however.

The reason I described you as bitter was mainly this. You saw the GE kill and concluded it was me. But you didn't seem too upset about it at the time, giving it a mere ":/" and moving on.

And you and I both know that I am not technically Lord pever's right hand. Beefy chose that role randomly (which is a shame because I joined thinking pever would choose). Still, the actual right hand is just boss, and I'm happy to be the less important public figurehead. :beam:

Only AFTER I made my threat to you did you seem to almost explode. This situational factor made me draw the conclusions that I did.

Thanks though ~:grouphug:

tl;dr:

I don't for a second believe that me being part of killing a 0 strength Atpg, and ALLEGEDLY killing GE who was also probably 0 strength given the writeup, as anywhere as near harmful to the town as killing people who are basically lurkers (which is what I gathered from your choices).

This is because even a lurker is contributing if he has 1 or more strength to pever's defense.

The very notion that pever's defense is drawn from us makes the idea of killing townies with strength a HUGE loss, which is why vigging is especially bad for this game.

We should save our vigging for select targets we actually know a thing or two about (beyond mere suspicion).

Lastly (not directed to you Secura, but rather the more uncontrollable elements of your group), vig killing me is a pretty bad plan, especially as I will grow stronger tonight. You will upset pever, and certainly be killed off yourselves. Decide wisely.

Diamondeye

01-23-2011, 21:13

Diamondeye: Man, my Time Cube buddy, I tried to honor you by communicating with one of my favorite songs, and you reply with Britney? Britney isn't even too much to look at anymore, I think Simon, John, and Nick are prettier. :sad:

I had to find something which suited the occassion.
So - here's the awkward part - I browsed my iTunes and Britney was the first artist I came up with which worked (I considered Immortal Technique briefly for a more aggressive reply). We wuv Britney :love:

Secura

01-23-2011, 21:21

Also, could you tell me why your word does not suffice alone? I don't think pever has a detective result on you, and yet you are the second most powerful player in the game besides pever.

It just doesn't; pevergreen's trusting me based on his previous trust of Pizza and that it was Pizza's wish that I take up what he was doing... whereas your word is your bond, the same doesn't apply to me.

I could say "I'm innocent" until the cows come home and he'd not bat an eyelid, whereas you need only say it once and he believes you. Those are pretty much his own words too. :P

Can you please give your justifications for your killings? In private if need be.

No need for privacy, I have nothing to hide. :bow:

I don't know why Lord of Lent was killed, I was simply following the orders I received while alive. Captain Blackadder was killed because he was a potential suspect of Pizza before he died. Cecil XIX was killed because he was lurking and considering the only other game I had to go on for his usual behaviour (Order of the Stick, he was mafia), I made the judgement call for him to die and was told it was a fine choice.

The other deaths, such as Kagemusha and Chimpyang, weren't related to my vigilante group as far as I know, though I have said that three of them failed to send orders; one confirmed that they chose to protect pevergreen instead, which I commended and was fine with, but the actions of the other two are unknown... I believe it's simple inactivity at this stage.

The reason I described you as bitter was mainly this. You saw the GE kill and concluded it was me. But you didn't seem too upset about it at the time, giving it a mere ":/" and moving on.

Well, the ":/" face was essentially "it might have been Reenk, but nothing we can do if it was". God Emperor's death was annoying and needless in my opinion, but clearly it's no great loss to you; I understand why now, but I still don't agree with it. :P

This is because even a lurker is contributing if he has 1 or more strength to pever's defense.

This is basically a double-edged sword, though; we keep them alive because even by lurking/inactivity they'll be keeping pevergreen alive, but this stifles town discussion as the mafia will eventually start picking the active players off and leaving said lurkers alive. There's also the possibility that a mafia could be hiding among the lurkers to begin with.

Romanic

01-23-2011, 21:38

pevergreen asked me to desist with the vigilante attacks, and so there won't be any coming from me; however, I cannot ensure that the rest of my group will comply with that, let alone the independent vigilantes.

Why do you bow to this tyrant?

Is it because he's impartial? Or wise?

peverreenk must continue.

18/01/2011 9:18:28 AM pever Askthepizzaguy but im pever, bad at townie

The circle is now complete.

You have no chance Subotan. For the last two nights I have gained both Jedi and Sith powers, fufilling my destiny to bring balance to the force.

I am simply playing how I have been all game, and how I envisage Kyp would.

As ATPG and I agreed, tonight shall be me vs him until the death.

Desist and you may live, at least for a while.
But in the end, when it's all done,
would you be willing to trade your survival,
for one chance,
just one chance,
to come back here, and tell pevergreen,
that he may take away your vote,
but he'll never take away, your FREEEEDOM!!!!!!!

***

Vigilante is your only meaningful power in this game, don't trade it away to survive, and hope that pevergreen will make the right decisions. He's biased toward Reenk, you know it, everyone knows it.

Do what you deem best, and WTH if pever decides to kill you for it.

LET THE VIGILANTES FIGHT!!! FOR SECURA!!!!!! :charge:

Now I really wish to be alive in this game. :bigcry: Beefy!!! Put me on as a replacement. :grin:

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 21:39

It just doesn't; pevergreen's trusting me based on his previous trust of Pizza and that it was Pizza's wish that I take up what he was doing... whereas your word is your bond, the same doesn't apply to me.

Well, then his trust in you seems to be based on his trust in Atpg. Simply one more level of indirection for basically the same thing. :shrug: Though we've gotten the feeling (he never explicitly said it but the feeling is there) that pever doesn't want you dead. We didn't get that with Atpg...

I don't know why Lord of Lent was killed, I was simply following the orders I received while alive. Captain Blackadder was killed because he was a potential suspect of Pizza before he died. Cecil XIX was killed because he was lurking and considering the only other game I had to go on for his usual behaviour (Order of the Stick, he was mafia), I made the judgement call for him to die and was told it was a fine choice.

OK, ignoring Lord of Lent as you weren't in command at that point, Blackadder I'm not too concerned about (he voted me, I major FoS'd him - he got what he deserved :beam:) although you just killing him based on Atpg's suspicion seems weird but whatever. I haven't played much with Cecil but didn't he lurk in CoV too as a townie?

I can understand killing lurkers late in the game a bit more, they aren't doing what they're supposed to or ignoring something, though even then it's a stretch. This early it just seems a lot more likely more innocent Samurai are going to be killed. And as said before, they are vital to pever's defense.

This is basically a double-edged sword, though; we keep them alive because even by lurking/inactivity they'll be keeping pevergreen alive, but this stifles town discussion as the mafia will eventually start picking the active players off and leaving said lurkers alive. There's also the possibility that a mafia could be hiding among the lurkers to begin with.

I don't agree. Obviously Mafia could be lurking, but tons of townies lurk, and I have noticed a trend that Mafia are more active. Doesn't mean too much of course, trends are always exploited, but I don't think it bodes well for the killing of all lurkers.

I think a much better way to proceed is to have all 1 strength townies fight another one strength townie. That way neither will die, and both will be almost confirmed as 1 strength (they could technically have different strength values but the same as the other or they could be 1 strength Mafia but a lot is still known with this plan).

People who don't listen should be scrutinized. People who end up killing their partner even more so.

This is actually potentially gamebreaking come to think of it, but we might as well try for at least one round.

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 21:47

Now I really wish to be alive in this game. :bigcry: Beefy!!! Put me on as a replacement. :grin:

:laugh4: All right then, you can replace for me and play exactly my position, Lord pever's boots need frequent cleaning. It would be fitting for your treasonous ways. :beam:

Secura, you should have 4 1-strengthers fight each other today and continue with different ones later. Stagger them so not all are leaving pever open.

Romanic

01-23-2011, 21:58

:laugh4: All right then, you can replace for me and play exactly my position, Lord pever's boots need frequent cleaning. It would be fitting for your treasonous ways. :beam:

Secura, you should have 4 1-strengthers fight each other today and continue with different ones later. Stagger them so not all are leaving pever open.
Replace you? Oh the horror! I must respectfully decline your offer, pever would surely have my head for it.

Secura

01-23-2011, 22:57

Blackadder I'm not too concerned about (he voted me, I major FoS'd him - he got what he deserved :beam:) although you just killing him based on Atpg's suspicion seems weird but whatever. I haven't played much with Cecil but didn't he lurk in CoV too as a townie?

I haven't been reading Council of Villains properly in a while, kinda lost interest in reading it fully since I'm not *really* allowed to comment given I know who Pikachu and Doopliss are; therefore, I didn't even know that Cecil XIX was in the game. :/

But yes, he was killed for being lurky and he'd acted the same way in OotS; probably just an inherent part of his gameplay, though.

I think a much better way to proceed is to have all 1 strength townies fight another one strength townie. That way neither will die, and both will be almost confirmed as 1 strength (they could technically have different strength values but the same as the other or they could be 1 strength Mafia but a lot is still known with this plan).

I understand the reasoning, but this would involve revealing the identities of at least some of my former vigilante group; is that not abusing my 'power', as well as revealing easy targets to the mafia?

Secura

01-23-2011, 23:03

Why do you bow to this tyrant?

Let's be honest, I was kidding myself by even believing that I could lead town efforts anyway! :/

that he may take away your vote,
but he'll never take away, your FREEEEDOM!!!!!!!

As I said earlier, I'd gladly repeat my so-called treason-laden comments; I stand by my opinion, no matter what happens. However, if I die, I lose... and I don't sign up to games to lose. :P

Reenk Roink

01-23-2011, 23:26

I understand the reasoning, but this would involve revealing the identities of at least some of my former vigilante group; is that not abusing my 'power', as well as revealing easy targets to the mafia?

You can easily do it without revealing the identities of them unless it is needed. By the way, of all the townies, vigilantes are the ones I'm least sorry to see go. Especially ones who want to kill me. :wink:

That reminds me, vote: Diamondeye, you won't be in the group that shows up at my place tonight. :knight:

Let's be honest, I was kidding myself by even believing that I could lead town efforts anyway! :/

At least you didn't get killed. We simply sat by this time drinking tea with the Lord...

classical_hero

01-23-2011, 23:38

I don't like the idea of a SK being part of the town, so I willl vote:slashandburn

I also challenge ReenK Roink for a duel. duel:classical_hero vs Reenk Roink

Diamondeye

01-23-2011, 23:55

That reminds me, vote: Diamondeye, you won't be in the group that shows up at my place tonight. :knight:

Obviously not, that would be suicide. I'm not a fool.

Beefy187

01-23-2011, 23:59

Do I see few of you inactive? :curtain:
Liking the activity level of some of you.

I have to go to Uni. I shall do the write up when I get back :bow:

Secura

01-24-2011, 00:16

Well, that's a turn-up for the books.

I'm now heavily inclined to believe that slashandburn is telling the truth about his PM from Beefy, since I just received a similar one stating that I could change alignment if I wished, which would mean betrayal of Naritsugu, so I declined. Of course, you'll just have to take my word on that, but feel free to lynch me if you'd rather not.

As for a theory... it's possible that the mafia doesn't actually have any means of recruitment whatsoever, and instead certain players are approached with alignment change PMs from the host in relation to things they may have posted in-thread; since, at one point, I posted some anti-Naritsugu sentiment, I was an obvious choice for an alignment change, as was slashandburn who proposed subservience to the town in exchange for being allowed to live.

Romanic

01-24-2011, 00:24

I just received a similar one stating that I could change alignment if I wished, which would mean betrayal of Naritsugu,
:inquisitive:
:juggle2:

:yes:

:grin: say YES!!!!!

so I declined.
:speechless:

:bigcry:

:furious3:

Reenk Roink

01-24-2011, 02:14

Romanic

01-24-2011, 02:25

Hmm... I hate you very much pever.

By the way, Romanic were you Mafia?

My alignment was [rule break detected].

Dead players are welcome to join in the discussion. But please do not reveal your alignment or your strength :bow:

:grin:

Yaropolk

01-24-2011, 03:29

Let's kill the SK
unvote; vote:slashandburn

Skooma Addict

01-24-2011, 04:18

My alignment was [rule break detected].

:grin:
I wish you were still alive.

I, nameless soldier #24, will follow Miyamoto sama.

Vote: slashandburn

PershsNhpios

01-24-2011, 04:20

Sorry for my inactivity, I haven't been placing mafia games at the highest priority, nor had enough time during visits to catch up on the thread.
If someone can summarise the case against Secura and show her guilty, I may vote for her but I haven't seen any reason to distrust her yet.

I will Vote: Slashandburn however since I can't see how keeping a serial killer alive is at all beneficial, since we have sufficient strength to meet our targets at night and win anyway, even with absentees (Sorry!).

If anyone disagrees with that, please prove me wrong, I want to get back in the game.

Beefy187

01-24-2011, 05:45

Day 4

As Lord Naritsugu was coming back from his "days work", two men were brought forward.

One was Slashandburn. Whom some of the men were already fairly familiar with.
The other being Reenk Roink.

Kitou came forward and explained the situation.
"We have chosen Slashandburn as todays lynch."

Lord Naritsugu completely ignored it.
"Whos our duelist today? None right? Let Reenk fight Reenk."

Hearing this Reenk spread his smile across his face. While the other whispered to each other.
"How is Reenk going to fight... Reenk?"

Lord Naritsugu commanded his man to execute Slashandburn first before the fun stuff.

"But Lord Naritsugu! I have sworn allegiance to you! I swear it!"
"The men told me you are tough... Is that so?"
"Yes sir.. I am."
"Fine."

smiled Lord Naritsugu and started collecting wooden sticks. He started smacking Slashandburn in the head.
After 20 hard and thick sticks getting smashed in half with Slashandburns head, slashandburn smiled.

"Am I free to go now sir?" he asked. Smiling like a innocent child.
Lord Naritsugu decided to let him go for this time around, thinking how he could actually kill this man with outstanding endurance.

.................................................................................................... ..........................................

Reenk stepped forward to duel his evil twin Reenk.

"I see you Reenk! No body else can but I can!!" shouted Reenk.
"Heh... You can see me but can you hit me?" answered back Reenk.

Reenk started to swing around his sword in a random form.
Reenk kept on taunting. "You can't hit me! You can't hit me!!"
Reenk smiled and said "If I focus properly. I can cut anything!"
Reenk replied back. "Aha... But right now I am winning this battle. You're getting tired. While I am healthy and sound."

Reenk was no loser. He bravely commented "No I am not tired. You are."
To that Reenk replied "no you!"
This went on for another 20 minute. Eventually Reenk raised his arm. Shouting.
"TRIUMPH!"

People watching it couldn't quite figure out which Reenk won. But Reenk has won alright.
Reenk wins!

.................................................................

Lord Naritsugu was entertained. He clapped and dismissed his men to the nights job.
Start night 4!

Reenk Roink

01-24-2011, 06:13

I confirm what Secura said about the PM. I'm very sorry about uttering those words Lord pever, I did it in the interests of National Security. :shame:

The good thing is we can watch for treason in the thread now, and use it against people.

So slashandburn actually isn't a great lynch. I'd go for Sasaki, Yaropolk, or Diamondeye.

pevergreen

01-24-2011, 06:26

I think 3 days of nothing but faces is pretty good.

Ok, you all should know I'm the victory point of this game.

We are now going to play this game my way. It will not be pretty, but we will win.

Each of you, by the end of the next day phase, will PM me with your strength. If you do not, you will be killed.

If you lie about your strength, you will be killed.

You will be given orders each night phase. If you do not do them, you will be killed.

If you appear to be a traitor, you will be killed.

We must survive 15 night phases to win this game, or kill the two starting mafia. We will be able to do both, but it requires co-operation from the town.

For tonight: Do not attack. You are free to defend either me or others, but if you make attacks tonight, I will assume you are mafia.

Secura is no longer running the show.

Sorry mafia, did you really think I was just gunna not say anything all game? Too easy.

Reenk Roink

01-24-2011, 06:29

Askthepizzaguy

01-24-2011, 07:08

If it is of any help, I endorse this plan. Please follow it; it's more effective if we agree to it willingly.

Besides, a divided town cannot stand.

But no, Secura, I actually rather enjoy the break. I do this stuff every game to some extent, and if I can do it, I will; being slain effectively removed that option from me, so now I can take a break knowing I did what I thought was right and tried my best.

I wanted to see you run the show for a while, because I haven't seen that before. Could have been fun; at the same time, it's met with disapproval from the Lord so it's not going to happen.

It's less important what you and I want; what matters is, the results. I prefer we act as a team here.

If someone wants me to analyze someone's behavior and posts, be my guest; otherwise I will take a backseat to the Reenk crew.

classical_hero

01-24-2011, 08:43

Lord Naritsugu, do I need to reveal my strength in private again, since I have already stated it in the thread?

pevergreen

01-24-2011, 08:48

For ease on my part, yes.

If i simply have a PM from everyone, its easier for me.

Plus, if somoene has revealed in thread and lied, they have a chance to correct themselves to me.

I will not be passing info to anyone. I will be organising this alone.

Csargo

01-24-2011, 09:46

Sorry mafia, did you really think I was just gunna not say anything all game? Too easy.

It would have been more fun though :sad:

My strength is 4 btw.

Diamondeye

01-24-2011, 09:50

Mine is 1, obviously.

pevergreen

01-24-2011, 09:56

Each of you, by the end of the next day phase, will PM me with your strength. If you do not, you will be killed.

I expect a PM.

Csargo

01-24-2011, 09:59

I expect a PM.

https://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1141/emotarghg.gif

pevergreen

01-24-2011, 10:07

yeah, like its that much effort.

Csargo

01-24-2011, 10:10

yeah, like its that much effort.

https://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2060/1271355796581.gif

classical_hero

01-24-2011, 13:23

For awhile I thought you could not communicate to us in the thread.

pevergreen

01-24-2011, 13:56

For awhile I thought you could not communicate to us in the thread.

Thats what I wanted you to think.

Reenk Roink

01-24-2011, 14:43

https://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2060/1271355796581.gif

We've been relegated to minor positions Csar. :shame: Let's go and get some ice cream. :2thumbsup:

Just a fair warning my Lord, this plan is going to be as fun as solving kinematic equations if all goes smoothly. And if it doesn't go smoothly then it is more fun, but since people can apparently convert at will, it will be hard to know who's what. Also you will be killing a lot of innocents who simply aren't active.

The only thing I can say to the townies is that it will take a lot of time to gather enough converts to actually pierce the Lord's pretty much guaranteed loyal servants, and you risk dying which is a major defeat no matter what (victory incentives but some of you really place importance in this :rolleyes:), so you might as well put your head down and obey.

PershsNhpios

01-24-2011, 15:07

!!

Are you doubting our lord?!

Beefy187

01-25-2011, 12:28

Night 4 summery

Hero. Hero who have defeated the creators favourite, God Emperor was now facing serious danger.
Classical Hero was facing two tough looking Samurai as he was patrolling his sector.

"You two...." Classical Hero grunted in rage.
"I suggest you go out of our way Classical Hero" said one of the attacker "Or you'll get into OUR way."
"Never" replied Classical Hero.

They wasted no time.
All three unsheathed their swords and charged.
Classical Hero was fending off well, considering being out numbered. But eventually the attackers came out victorious.

"You.... Can't win...." said Classical Hero in his last breath.
One of the attacker sadly smiled and signaled the other to leave..

.................................................................................................... ................

Lord Naritsugu felt empty. He needed something to feed the stomach.
He found his pet puppy dog barking at him. He gently smiled and unsheathed his sword..
Puppy barks. With tears in his eyes.

................................................................................

The men gathered up. They found Classical Hero dead, deciding that the threat is far from over.
They started to discuss again.

Players 15/28
pevergreen
secura
Glenn
Diamondeye
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
slashandburn
Nightbringer
Csargo

Lynched 2/28
Romanic
Subotan

Killed 11/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Cecil XIX
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero

Start day 5

Diamondeye

01-25-2011, 12:50

pevergreen

01-25-2011, 13:15

you have presumably 24 hours to send me your strength.

Askthepizzaguy

01-25-2011, 13:16

Then, perhaps, we can try and duel:ReenkvsSkooma and see how much Skooma is really worth.

Then throw Diamondeye on the pile, as he seems to be a bit eager to suck up.

There's a line between collaboration and being a kiss fanny, and you've crossed into the brown zone.

Beefy187

01-25-2011, 13:51

Also, please be warned from now on I'll be strict on time.
Day ends exactly 24 hours from the write up :bow:

Which is 11:28 GMT I believe

Secura

01-25-2011, 15:03

It's one thing to reject an alignment change and remain town, it's another thing entirely to be a tattle-tale; nobody likes a grass, and I think you just crossed a line there, I'm afraid.

Poor show, DE.

Diamondeye

01-25-2011, 15:12

Well you can assess this however you want. I already ratted out the two people to Naritsugu in private. I see no reason to conceal it from the rest of you so you know what's going on.

You think I crossed a line? I'm working for a certain victory condition - keep pevergreen alive - and I deemed it advantageous to cross that line to further that goal.
Basically; In this setup, we're all pevergreen's :daisy:ies, and I'm just doing my best to help within that frame.

pevergreen

01-25-2011, 15:20

It's one thing to reject an alignment change and remain town

Hello, and welcome.

How would you like to die today?

Secura

01-25-2011, 16:08

If that's the case, Diamondeye, you wouldn't mind everyone knowing that you wanted Reenk dead as well, then? Of course, you probably do mind since you neglected to mention that little fact.

The thing is, you prattle on about Skooma and Yaropolk being rebels and enemies of pevergreen, when all they seem to want is Reenk's death; while I'm not condoning such an action, the town can win without Reenk, or indeed any of us, so long as pevergreen survives. Your suggestion that two people who could be town die for targeting another is a bit off, to me.

And pever... I came forward and announced that I received an offer of alignment change and rejected it, something Reenk confirmed as he had the same offer himself; I also stated that if people didn't believe me, they could vig/lynch me as they saw fit.

pevergreen

01-25-2011, 16:10

And pever... I came forward and announced that I received an offer of alignment change and rejected it, something Reenk confirmed as he had the same offer himself; so why the suggestion that I be killed?

Because all we have is your word?

Secura

01-25-2011, 16:12

Because all we have is your word?

And the fact that I brought the PM from Beefy forward means nothing? Or the fact that Reenk tested my theory and received a PM himself?

Beskar

01-25-2011, 16:15

Reenk is far more likely to take it up than Secura. Secura is too proud in the position of "town organizer" to do such a thing.

pevergreen

01-25-2011, 16:21

And the fact that I brought the PM from Beefy forward means nothing? Or the fact that Reenk tested my theory and received a PM himself?

I'm not disputing the fact that you got one, I'm saying its impossible for us to know if you actually turned it down or not.

Secura

01-25-2011, 16:23

I'm not certain if I can post Beefy's PM, but I sure I can post my own response:

What kind of person would that make me, to jump ship the moment a few rats appear?

I'll be staying put, remaining loyal to Naritsugu for as long as I draw breath!

It's up to you take my word for it, pever; I think that, given my previous form, my word means alot.

If you don't believe me, that's fair enough; don't waste a lynch though when they're so vital, have me vig-killed by one of your enforcers instead.

Yaropolk

01-25-2011, 18:11

It has come to my attention that two of my fellow samurai are plotting to destroy Reenk Roink, the right hand of our honoured leader Naritsugu.
While I doubt their roles when it comes to the murders in general, we cannot tolerate such rebellious thoughts.

The two perpetrators are Yaropolk and Skooma Addict. I suggest we Vote:Yaropolk as he is the stronger of the two.
Then, perhaps, we can try and duel:ReenkvsSkooma and see how much Skooma is really worth.

May this serve our lord :bow:

Diamondeye is twisting the truth. He approached me to night kill R.R. and since he didn't give me any signal I defended pever instead.

Yaro - I am sick and tired of Reenk's BS in thread. I know pever said no kills, but with pever in charge Reenk can't be voted off or dueled to 0. Interested in taking Reenk down tonight with me?

I'd love to, just let me know who else is going and give me the signal.

vote:diamondeye
duel: diamond v yaro

Secura

01-25-2011, 19:22

So he was trying to set you up, then? How very scummy!

slashandburn

01-25-2011, 19:29

I say we kill them both, have yaro lynched and diamondeye duel me or vice versa.
Vote:Yaropolk
Duel:Daimondeyevs. slashandburn

Yaropolk

01-25-2011, 20:06

Slash - my strength has been going to protect pever for the last 3 days. Reenk's has been going to kill townies. Diamondeye is going out of his way to set up townies with the net result being the total defense for pever being lowered. And you think my death will help the town? How about going after scum, or those who are trying to lynch off pever defenders?

Secura

01-25-2011, 20:16

vote: Diamondeye

Diamondeye

01-25-2011, 20:30

If that's the case, Diamondeye, you wouldn't mind everyone knowing that you wanted Reenk dead as well, then? Of course, you probably do mind since you neglected to mention that little fact.

Everything I've said regarding RR is in the thread. You may choose to believe that I honestly wanted him dead, or you can choose to believe I was extremely annoyed at being hounded around and wanted to protest in an entirely harmless way. Either fits me.

Diamondeye is twisting the truth. He approached me to night kill R.R. and since he didn't give me any signal I defended pever instead.

NOTICE: The above quote of Yaropolk is a lie. I never approached him, in fact I was IMing with pevergreen himself when I got the PM and immidiately reported it.
The "Diamondeye Quote" in Yaropolk's post is not something I have ever said. If I was uncertain about Yaropolk's allegience before, I no longer am. He seeks to defend himself by the basest of means, and without postmortem reveals, it will be impossible to confirm my words on my death.

If I live through the day, I am ready to suicide attack Yaropolk to prove my point. I'm doing the job of an honest town exposing traitors and people don't believe me.

Honestly, if this grows to be the Bandwagon of the Day, I'm glad I'll be dead 'cause I don't want to touch the town with a ten-foot pole if they believe those obvious lies.

EDIT: RULE ENQUIRY: The original post says nothing on quoting player-to-player communications. What are the rules on these?

Beskar

01-25-2011, 20:47

Vote: Diamondeye

I don't trust the Bakerboy.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2011, 20:51

Given that we only had one kill, I'd guess there's only one mafia left. The fact that there were recruitment offers sent is evidence of that to.

So with yaro and diamondeye cross claiming it should be game over.

I would heavily lean towards yaro. Will have to recheck if I have time.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2011, 20:57

mmm, nevermind, now I'm conflicted. Don't even remember what I was thinking. And it's probably moot.

Secura

01-25-2011, 21:42

NOTICE: The above quote of Yaropolk is a lie. I never approached him, in fact I was IMing with pevergreen himself when I got the PM and immidiately reported it.
The "Diamondeye Quote" in Yaropolk's post is not something I have ever said. If I was uncertain about Yaropolk's allegience before, I no longer am. He seeks to defend himself by the basest of means, and without postmortem reveals, it will be impossible to confirm my words on my death.

This is absolute bovine excrement and you know it.

Someone approached you with concern that Reenk, if he was mafia, would be incredibly difficult to remove as he becomes more powerful due to duels; this person proceeded to ask you if you were able to organise a vigilante attack to take Reenk out, stating that they wouldn't get involved personally because they were protecting pevergreen.

You proceeded to message me, with your source's message quoted, since I had been in charge of Pizza's vigilante squad. After said-quote, you stated:

Are you and four of the others up for this? Please ask around.

Ergo, Yaropolk is telling the truth.

Beskar

01-25-2011, 21:46

So DE is the mafia? fun.

Skooma Addict

01-25-2011, 21:49

Diamondeye is twisting the truth. He approached me to night kill R.R. and since he didn't give me any signal I defended pever instead.

Ditto. Diamondeye asked me if I would be available for an attack on Renk tonight. I told him only if he describes what this includes since I'm not certain what to choose. He never responded so I assumed he scrapped the idea. Now's he's trying to name me as a co-conspirator to his own conspiracy. That's beyond shameful and hope you die a traitors death.

Vote: Diamondeye

If it fails, then Dual: Diamondeye vs Slashandburn

Obviously you've earned our Lord's trust. You can earn ours by restoring honor in this house.

Diamondeye

01-25-2011, 22:21

unvote; vote: Diamondeye.

Fine, I'll be lynched and get this :daisy: over with.

For the record, Secura's quote is true. I approached her because she was the leader of the Vigilante group.
I did not contact others or attempt to infringe on her role of leader.

Now, can I go away and not be bothered by this load of bovine excrement ever again? Thank you :bow:

PershsNhpios

01-26-2011, 00:08

Wonderful gameplay and ideas in this Mafia game - mostly being ruined by the players...

A vote for the lurker Vote: YLC

Askthepizzaguy

01-26-2011, 00:32

I want more townie-ness out of Sasaki. I placed my trust in you, buddy, now start kicking some fanny. :whip:

I demand more aggressive Sasaki, for the hope of mankind! Passive Sasaki makes Pizza disappoint.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-26-2011, 00:44

This round has confused me, I had some wacky theory about romanic being mafia who got lynched day one and them having recruited yaro and him carrying on the ship after the 2nd partner subo got lynched...buuuttt I don't want to go with it.

However it seems simply absurd of DE to be lying about not having sent that quote to Yaro. And more absurd of yaro to invent it when DE was already going to be lynched.

Csargo

01-26-2011, 01:08

I want to fight someone. Duel:Csargo vs Nightbringer

Vote:DE How dare you sir. How dare YOU!!!

Reenk Roink

01-26-2011, 01:19

This is absolute bovine excrement and you know it.

Someone approached you with concern that Reenk, if he was mafia, would be incredibly difficult to remove as he becomes more powerful due to duels; this person proceeded to ask you if you were able to organise a vigilante attack to take Reenk out, stating that they wouldn't get involved personally because they were protecting pevergreen.

You proceeded to message me, with your source's message quoted, since I had been in charge of Pizza's vigilante squad. After said-quote, you stated:

Who is this person Secura? No more behind this back crap (I know you whined and whined to pever about me in private, major loss of respect there :sad:).

Yaropolk is getting killed tonight, as slashandburn suggested (unless Lord pever refuses BUT PLEEEEEASE LET US). I'm personally getting involved in this one. :beam:

Vote: Diamondeye (If it's any consolation, you will be given an honorable and interesting lynch, Yaro will just be hacked and tossed :bow:)

Yaropolk

01-26-2011, 02:39

I want to fight someone. Duel:Csargo vs Nightbringer

Vote:DE How dare you sir. How dare YOU!!!

Wnat to duel me? Sounds like I'm dying tonight anyway!
unduel; duel:yaro vs csargo

Secura

01-26-2011, 02:56

Wonderful gameplay and ideas in this Mafia game - mostly being ruined by the players...

A vote for the lurker Vote: YLC

Does anyone else find this post scummy as hell?

A vote for a lurker when there's two or three possible lynch candidates? And what's the first part supposed to mean?

Who is this person Secura? No more behind this back crap

Why should I reveal their identity? They've been protecting pevergreen and losing them means losing someone with what I assume is a decent amount of strength.

(I know you whined and whined to pever about me in private, major loss of respect there :sad:).

PM'd you about this.

PershsNhpios

01-26-2011, 03:08

Diamondeye appears as good as dead, there isn't any use in putting another vote on him.

Yaropolk is DE's candidate and since I suspect DE, I am hardly likely to vote for his candidate.

I would like to think that you, Secura, are innocent since you are desperately trying to save face...

And I hate... HATE lurker victories, so I am spectating, showing my activity and putting my vote on the lurker.

Also awaiting some sort of correspondence or order from pevergreen since I have only suspicions and he seems to have some intelligence of who is guilty and most worthy of the lynch.

Hint, hint!

Secura

01-26-2011, 03:17

I would like to think that you, Secura, are innocent since you are desperately trying to save face...

What do I need to save face for? I haven't done anything wrong.

And I hate... HATE lurker victories, so I am spectating, showing my activity and putting my vote on the lurker.

While I share this anti-lurker sentiment, YLC hasn't been very active at the Org lately; he managed to narrowly avoid a WoG in Diamondeye's game a few days back and hasn't turned up since... he said he was really busy IRL.

Reenk Roink

01-26-2011, 03:17

Why should I reveal their identity? They've been protecting pevergreen and losing them means losing someone with what I assume is a decent amount of strength.

I think it's you, obviously, the request was rhetorical. :wink:

--------

My take on what happened: Diamondeye went to people to try and get a vig hit on me. It would take down a non Mafia (myself and the Mafia know this, you should too, but I don't expect your belief :shrug:). However, DE, for whatever reason (a good one is that he is Mafia or becoming Mafia or some other kind of badguy) pulled out. Then he went public that he knew that people wanted to kill me (probably mad that Yaro and Skooma didn't try and kill me, I had pretty tough defenses by the way :beam:). Perhaps so he can distract the town with the lynch of two more 'innocents' (I use that term in a very specific sense in respect to pever; frankly, I hope both Yaro and Skooma die before the game ends, they were willing to kill me, that is reason enough).

Just a reconstruction of what might be going on, and why DE seems to be the best lynch. I am quite out of it now, guys if you want to set a vig group on Reenk, please contact me, so I can be in on it too. :sad:

Romanic

01-26-2011, 03:24

I had some wacky theory about romanic being mafia who got lynched day one
:creep:

I feel like one of your favorite suspect in every game. Leave me alone Sasaki! I'm just a poor ghost! :laugh4:

Csargo

01-26-2011, 03:35

Wnat to duel me? Sounds like I'm dying tonight anyway!
unduel; duel:yaro vs csargo

Sounds like a plan. unduel:, duel:yaro vs csargo

pevergreen

01-26-2011, 03:39

Also awaiting some sort of correspondence or order from pevergreen since I have only suspicions and he seems to have some intelligence of who is guilty and most worthy of the lynch.

Todays lynch is either whatever is voted for, or you.

I want the strength claims people.

14 claims wanted. I have 9.

Better than I thought.

Secura

01-26-2011, 03:54

I think it's you, obviously, the request was rhetorical. :wink:

And yet someone reading this thread knows precisely what I'm talking about because they were the one's who sent Diamondeye the message I referred to. :P

My take on what happened: Diamondeye went to people to try and get a vig hit on me. It would take down a non Mafia (myself and the Mafia know this, you should too, but I don't expect your belief :shrug:). However, DE, for whatever reason (a good one is that he is Mafia or becoming Mafia or some other kind of badguy) pulled out. Then he went public that he knew that people wanted to kill me (probably mad that Yaro and Skooma didn't try and kill me, I had pretty tough defenses by the way :beam:). Perhaps so he can distract the town with the lynch of two more 'innocents' (I use that term in a very specific sense in respect to pever; frankly, I hope both Yaro and Skooma die before the game ends, they were willing to kill me, that is reason enough).

You know, Pizza and pever had theorised that of the two mafia, one might have a low strength value as a twist; DE would certainly fit in with such a theory, by setting up two townies for the lynch rather than taking the risk to fight them and possibly lose.

It's like the WIFOM guy in The Princess Bride; why fight with a sword when your wit and cunning are much sharper?

Csargo

01-26-2011, 03:57

Beskar is being pretty quiet.

Reenk Roink

01-26-2011, 04:33

Beskar is being pretty quiet.

I like it though. Let's make it even better tonight? :idea2:

pevergreen

01-26-2011, 04:55

Orders start tonight.

But yes, those that don't claim will be killed.

Diamondeye

01-26-2011, 07:53

My take on what happened: Diamondeye went to people to try and get a vig hit on me. It would take down a non Mafia (myself and the Mafia know this, you should too, but I don't expect your belief :shrug:). However, DE, for whatever reason (a good one is that he is Mafia or becoming Mafia or some other kind of badguy) pulled out. Then he went public that he knew that people wanted to kill me (probably mad that Yaro and Skooma didn't try and kill me, I had pretty tough defenses by the way :beam:). Perhaps so he can distract the town with the lynch of two more 'innocents' (I use that term in a very specific sense in respect to pever; frankly, I hope both Yaro and Skooma die before the game ends, they were willing to kill me, that is reason enough).

Just putting a second explanation up here for later when everyone knows it's the absolute truth...

Diamondeye is extremely annoyed at the way pevergreen and Reenk are running the show, and is briefly overcome with loathe for it after reading the RR-Secura debate. He posts a "If I could vote RR twice I would" and sens Secura a PM which says "should we try a vig hit on RR?". Then, he runs off and when he returns to the game, he's over his annoyment and realizes that as a good townie, we have to behave in accord with peverNaritsugu's whims. To Skooma Addict's awfully vague suggestion that there might be a vig group on RR, he answers as follows...

You can expand upon what this includes without revealing the identities of your compatriots. I am not certain what I will choose.
Since Skooma's PM strongly suggests that he is not merely a vigilante (he calls the group a "band of outlaws"), I don't want to touch it, ever, as it would betray my victory condition. Instead, I stall him to win time.

Next time I log on, the night is over (I don't know this yet as I begin talks with pever). I see that I have a PM from Skooma, basically "it's just me an Yaro" (revealing your mate? Fine), and one from Yaropolk saying "So are we attacking RR or what?".

Here's the catch - pevergreen can confirm this part - I contact pevergreen and suggest that I agree with the two guys and then, secretly send in orders to defend RR instead, thus eliminating two threats in one swoop, instead of having to rat on them. But pevergreen says no, you'll follow orders, and besides, night is already over.

Diamondeye goes to threat and rats out the two scummymcscummies and is bandwagoned to death.

The end of this will prove me wrong. Now, farewell cruel world! Tell the geisha that I will miss them. :bow:

:creep:

I feel like one of your favorite suspect in every game. Leave me alone Sasaki! I'm just a poor ghost! :laugh4:

What about me :shame:

PershsNhpios

01-26-2011, 10:50

We should all be given a random, generic name at the beginning of each mafia game (If we could).

Politics and other similar byproducts of the human body are starting to ruin these games for me.

pevergreen

01-26-2011, 11:15

Some other forums use dedicated smurf accounts, so you can't tell who is who in the actual game.

But that just isnt how we play. :beam:

Secura: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?90534-Mafia-VII-Shadows-of-the-Mafia&p=1673928&viewfull=1#post1673928

Before your time, but it makes my point.

Beefy187

01-26-2011, 12:56

Round ended. Commencing write up

Beefy187

01-26-2011, 13:45

Day 5 summery

When the votes were counted off, samurai Diamondeye had the most vote.
Handsome looking Samurai with pretty eyes was brought in front of Lord Naritsugu.

Lord Naritsugu looked happier then ever. Perhaps he has something for handsome men. Perhaps because the writer of this story is feeling happy and has the energy to write.

Lord Naritsugu hugged the handsome men with pretty eyes.
"DIAMONDEYE!" said Lord Naritsugu. "Oh men, you don't know whats going in my head right now."
"Ugh... Thank you my lord... for hugging me?"
"No problem... Now Diamondeye. Have I ever told you about your beautiful eyes?"
"No my lord."
"Its pretty. It reminds me of... Diamonds."
"Ah huh.."
"Diamonds are bad. It supports civil war, it supports child labour.. It supports bad working condition for the miners."
"Ah huh.."

"BUT BAD IS GOOD! Fair is foul, foul is fair! I love war! I love child labour! I love bad working condition and hungry peasants!"

Diamondeye raised his eyebrows and gently protested.
"With all due respect my lord as a samurai who live by the way of the sword I must disagree with that point of view. I use my sword to help people. Not for violence or for fear."

Now it was Lord Naritsugus turn to feel disgusted.
"What? Don't you think its fun to watch people cry and scream?"

"Frankly sire.. I do not."

"Hmm... Hmmmm.... HMMMM!!!" Lord Naritsugu drew his sword and sliced up unprepared Diamondeye.
Blood splattered all over Naritsugus body. He laughed hysterically as he decapitated Diamondeye.

While Diamondeye looked straight into Lord Naritsugus eyes as he was getting chopped up. Sadly. Full of humility.

Lord Naritsugu panted. And left, without watching the duel.

With out lord Naritsugus presence duel was practically pointless. But the two nominees stepped forward for the sake of their pride.

.................................................................................................... ...............

On one end there was Csargo. Or better known as Lord Naritsugus right hand man Kitou.
He sat down quietly and meditate to prepare for the coming battle.

On the other hand there was Yaropolk. Finally revealing his mysterious veil.
The soldier who like old stories shouted. "Is that... MUSASHI!!"
"Serious? We have Sasaki and we have Musashi as well?"
"MUSASHI SAN! MERRY ME MUSASHI SAN!!"
"NO SASAKI SAN IS BETTER!"
"NO WAY! MUSASHI SAN IS!"

One guy sitting in the corner.... Theres always at least one of these kind... Calmly commented
"You guys underestimate Kitou san. Look at his face."

Indeed Kitou kept on meditating calmly, while Musashi slowly took out his sword and checked his form.

The analyzing guy commented again.
"Musashi san in his best form is better then any samurai... Spare Kojiro san. Kitou san is good, but his not the best. But right now Kitou san has the chance. It looks as if Musashi san havn't been doing his work out recently. Lets see if he can beat his age."

So when Csargo finished the meditation and Musashi checked that he can actually move, two bowed to each other and started fighting. Two who knows the way of dueling started slowly. Testing each other with quick but weak strikes. Learning each others movement, the distance.. slight preference of the sword movement. The two took a step away from each other. Another step, then another. Then went at each other.

How Kitou moved was just as Musashi predicted. But unfortunately his body couldn't follow his orders.
Kitou noticing his victory withdrew his sword just before hitting him.

Musashi sighed and cursed his old body, while Kitou gained a very important experience.

Players 14/28
pevergreen
secura
Glenn
Yaropolk (Musashi!)
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro (Playing as Sasaki Kojiro)
Seon
Skooma Addict
YLC
Reenk Roink
autolycus
slashandburn
Nightbringer
Csargo

Lynched 3/28
Romanic
Subotan
Diamondeye

Killed 11/28
Renata
Chaotix
robbiecon
Lord of Lent
Askthepizzaguy
God Emperor
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Cecil XIX
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero

Start Night 5

Night ending in 24 hours from now. Anything after the dead line won't be accepted

Askthepizzaguy

01-26-2011, 13:50

This game is completely devoid of all reason. Which is why it is so entertaining.

All we need now is ninjas flipping out and killing people randomly for no reason, but with great care and precision.

pevergreen

01-26-2011, 14:14

Every player has their orders.

If you don't carry them out, it is assumed you are anti town.

If you all follow orders, only one person will die tonight, and that person did not send a strength claim in.

Diamondeye

01-26-2011, 18:26

I'm out :bow: Hopes the innocents have the brain to get rid of Yaro. Good wind!

Beefy187

01-27-2011, 13:53

Round ended. Commencing write up

Beefy187

01-27-2011, 14:50

Night 5 summery

Most of the soldiers moved according to Lord Naritsugus orders. Most of them knew that the whole thing was a joke. But they had to do it properly.

"So I attack you first yea?"

"No no.. I attack him first then you come."

"Ah I see."

So Secura playfully chased around Besky, who was chasing Seon (shouting Ginga Shonen!) who was chasing Reenk Roink with a spear, who was chasing Secura.

Them running around in circle was a cheerful sight to watch.

.................................................................................................... ............

Meanwhile, Csargo or Kitou san was meditating.
Meditating won't make him any stronger, but Csargo thought otherwise.
Maybe... Just maybe he could learn the force some how by meditating.

Csargo was disrupted by two men.

"Master Kitou. Well met."

Master sword man was standing in front of Kitou, with his partner beside him.

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201011/11/13/e0033713_9293290.jpg

"So you are the man we've been looking for." said Kitou. Looking straight at the man. "I can't say I didn't expect it."
"I have a lot of respect for you Kitou san. You seem to be a very brave samurai who live by the way of the sword. You'll understand why we are rebelling against Lord Naritsugu. Lord Naritsugu is a brutal lord, who wants nothing but chaos and anarchy from the world. Imagine the horror, the agony, imaging the collapsed world if Lord Naritsugu takes over the role of Shogun. Peace. Prosperity that all the previous Shogun has built will shatter. Lord Naritsugu must be stopped."

Kitou shook his head and replied. "That may be so. But Lord Naritsugu is my lord nonetheless. And it is Samurais duty to serve the lord."

The attacker sighed. "It seems your alignment won't change. It must end this way."
He unsheathed his sword and pointed straight at Kitou.

The two samurais charged at each other. The two were completely equal. But the advantage of having two were slowly taking its effect. Kitou san found him self on a defensive end.

It seemed that his fate was sealed. When suddenly another two figure appeared. This time to help out Kitou san.
One was Skooma Addict. He took on the other attacker, Glenn. While Sasaki Kojiro took on the master swordsman autolycus.

Now it was three vs two. Autolycus and Glenn knew there was no victory in this battle. But they fought bravely none the less. Slice thy opponent. May it be friends or men you respect. If they stand in your way it is your enemy. The deed must be completed. Lord Naritsugu must be slain. No sword then punch to kill. No arm then kick to kill. No legs then bite to kill. Even if your life and soul is completely lost, make them step on your bones to help your allies complete your deeds.

Glenn was the first to go. Despite being just as strong as Skooma was, he fought outstandingly well, actually managing to injure Skooma.

Autolycus took on three for quite a long time, but eventually he fell.
On his last moment.. He cried.

.................................................................................................... .........................................

"All rebels are slain my lord. Upon searching the room of the criminal, autolycus we found out that Lord of Lent was also part of this crime. Glenn must have joined later. We have few more weeks until we take off to the trip, so we must be cautious for the possible second raid."

"Again Kitou." said Lord Naritsugu, gently smiling.

"What sir?"

"We must do this agian. So this is war! This is the battle of life and death! This is great! This is great! When I become Shogun I will rage war on every single rebelious country warlords who refuse my orders. Its going to be fun Kitou! Its going to be fun!"

For the first time, Kitou couldn't stop him self.

Slap.

Kitous right hand slapped Lord Naritsugu in the head.

Lord Naritsugu astonished. Soon raged.
Kitou sighed and prepared to cut his stomach open.

.................................................................................................... ......................

"Never thought I'll see you again Kojiro" smiled Musashi.
"God must have some sense of humour. I mean, letting us meet each other again."
"Wonder whos stronger? right now" said Kojiro.

Musashi laughed and said "you probably. Your the man of the hour."

Slashandburn jumped in and hugged them both. "Hey don't forget me!!"

Kojiro and Musashi laughed and headed back to the party.

The end