EU3: Divine Wind Succession Game

[TinCow]

Anyone interested in an EU3: Divine Wind succession game? I'm not thinking of anything with significant literary merit, just a bare-bones play-your-reign-post-a-summary-and-pass-it-on type of thing (though feel free to get as creative as you want beyond that). I'll get the ball rolling with the first reign and summary, and I'll keep take responsibility for keeping the game moving. The game would be in unmodded Divine Wind. I don't particularly care about the faction, so if anyone cares they can speak up. I'd be hoping to start this weekend, so quick responses on faction would be great. Feel free to chime in about the faction if you're interested in reading it, even if you can't play.

Setup:
EU3 w/ all expansion packs up to Divine Wind

Rules:
Each player will play until their ruler dies. If the ruler dies in less than one in-game year, the player will play the next ruler as well.
No reloading except to correct errors caused by honestly mis-clicking an important box. Setbacks are what make this game fun, so roll with the punches even if it's bad.
At the end of each turn, each player will post at least a brief summary of the events of their reign. A paragraph or two without screenshots is perfectly fine. Anything beyond that is up to you. The player will then PM the next person on the list to inform them that it is their turn.

List of Players:
TinCow
pevergreen
miotas
Secura
Beskar
Alexander the Pretty Good
TriforceV
Cecil XIX

[pevergreen]

I haven't been in this area for a long time.

But as the most talented EU3 player on this forum (:tongue:) I'll be up for it, but if we're going for any sort of realism, I may need limits.

I presume that means we would be going as each monarch, staying as a monarchy/empire? in the event of regency?

[TinCow]

I'm not really concerned about realism. If you want to colonize North America as the Mameluks, go right ahead. Play however you see fit during your reigns, whether it be roleplaying, historical, pure fun, randomness, or whatever else you want. The only rules I would put down would be to not intentionally sabotage the game for other people, and no reloading unless you actually mis-click something important (like a peace treaty or major stability hit event or something). If you lose a major battle due to not paying attention, deal with it and move on, it makes the game interesting. Barring that, run the faction as you want to while it is yours. The objective is just to see how a faction develops when it doesn't have some overarching mastermind plan behind it. That will also likely make it more interesting for the individual players, as we'll find ourselves in situations we never would if we had been playing the whole thing ourselves.

No need to stay in a monarchy. The republics have leaders as well, and they can sometimes stick around longer than monarchs, depending on the circumstances. I would say though that if your monarch/leader/whatever dies less than one year after you start playing, you can play the successor as well. A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).

[pevergreen]

No need to stay in a monarchy. The republics have leaders as well, and they can sometimes stick around longer than monarchs, depending on the circumstances. I would say though that if your monarch/leader/whatever dies less than one year after you start playing, you can play the successor as well. A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).

4 year turns, unless you re-elect, which IIRC not all can do. May be wrong there.

Regencies are a weird thing. Quite a few times you're in for a long one and heir dies. I really would suggest sticking to a monarchy, just makes it easier.

I'm ready to play whenever.

[miotas]

Sounds interesting, count me in.

Noble republics have 8 year terms and I'm pretty sure all republics can re-elect. Despots and dictatorships should also work if we chose not to use republics.

[TinCow]

For the 4 year republics, perhaps two elections per player or something. It takes a long time to get to most republics anyway. If the game lasts long enough for that to be a realistic issue, we can discuss it in more detail then.

Any opinions on country?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Gah! I would join but don't have Divine Wind yet. ~:(

[Secura]

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

You got the idea!

Oh and don't worry about your preferences. I also play with those. :shame:

[Secura]

And in Divine Wind, even if you reduce AI aggressiveness, you still have cascading alliances that rapidly leave me wondering "why does Creek give a hoot about me subjugating the Scottish?" or whatnot.

I'd still play this though. :3

[Beskar]

I am up for a play.

[TinCow]

So, how does this work? You agree on a nation, say... Castille, and then when the monarch dies you pass the save file onto the next person? So that the story would tell the tale of the evolving country?

I'd play, but I'm not exactly good at the game; I usually play with AI aggressiveness low, Easy difficulty and no inflation... cos I suck. :P

Yep, that's it exactly. Here's an example (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?123643-EU3-MMP2-Succession-Game) of a game we started as Naples in the MMP2 mod. It didn't get very far, but it should give you an idea of what it's about. You can be as brief or as detailed as you'd like in the write-up. As long as you generally give a basic account of what happened during your reign, that's perfectly fine. A paragraph or two without any screenshots is good enough; if you want to write more beyond that you can knock yourself out.

Don't worry about difficulty at all. The entertainment is from watching the evolution of the nation over time as it's controlled by different people with different goals and different play styles. Conquering the world is not necessary, and is usually more boring than a game where simple survival is a struggle.

We can narrow down the faction by first deciding the area of the world we're interested in. I'd like to veto the Americas, Sub-saharan Africa, and Japan (don't like the way DW handles it). I am personally more interested in North Africa/Middle East, India, Southeast Asia, and non-HRE Europe (East or West).

[edit] First post updated with the bare-bones rules and a player list (order in which people signed up). Anyone else who is interested will be added on to the end of the list. Once the end of the list is reached, the game will loop back around to the beginning and continue until whenever.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Count me in, any faction as long as I'm not first. ;P

[TriforceV]

Yeah I'm down with this too, I lurve EU3

[Ignoramus]

I don't have DW, but I'd enjoy reading an English game.

[TinCow]

Ok, I'm going to start the game up tomorrow, so it would be nice to get some more faction input. If you don't want to pick a specific faction, at least let me know which area of the world you'd prefer to be in.

[pevergreen]

Ok, I'm going to start the game up tomorrow, so it would be nice to get some more faction input. If you don't want to pick a specific faction, at least let me know which area of the world you'd prefer to be in.

After westerning (oh lord was that a pain), IMO just pick one in the latin tech group. What are the settings we are going with, as we have some low-setting players here, so we probably shouldn't pick an OPM.

[TinCow]

After westerning (oh lord was that a pain), IMO just pick one in the latin tech group. What are the settings we are going with, as we have some low-setting players here, so we probably shouldn't pick an OPM.

I'm just going to go with default settings. I agree on no OPMs, I'd prefer a medium power of some kind, not one of the majors. If we're going latin, my suggestions are: Burgundy, Holland, Brabant, Bohemia, Denmark, Sweden, Venice, Aragon, Milan, Teutonic Order. Of those, my personal preference would be for Holland, Brabant, or Aragon (I've played a lot of Italy and Eastern Europe lately).

[Secura]

I agree on the Latin tech group, I've found from my limited experience that it's generally the most fun to play anyway; I'd prefer a nation that isn't involved with the HRE, considering the stupid "GIMME THOSE PROVINCES!" mechanic that's been added in, it makes territorial expansion as some of the more fun nations (Teutonic Order, Venice, Holland, etc) very difficult.

About the difficulty and such, can that not be changed by the player after receiving the save game file, or are they always stuck on whatever difficulty the first person set it at? I don't want to impede the fun element by 'forcing' some of the better players to drop down to my lowly levels of difficulty, but at the same time I wouldn't like to pass the game onto someone who finds out I've caused hyper-inflation and left them at war with half of Europe because the settings aren't at my usual level. xD

Then again, it isn't the actual gaming aspect that appeals to me most, but the historical roleplaying element thereafter, so I guess I'd be fine with whatever you guys decided as a majority. :3

[pevergreen]

I'm just going to go with default settings. I agree on no OPMs, I'd prefer a medium power of some kind, not one of the majors. If we're going latin, my suggestions are: Burgundy, Holland, Brabant, Bohemia, Denmark, Sweden, Venice, Aragon, Milan, Teutonic Order. Of those, my personal preference would be for Holland, Brabant, or Aragon (I've played a lot of Italy and Eastern Europe lately).

I'd say Aragon.

HRE and lithu-blob prevent others, tbh.

[TriforceV]

First of all, I would like to have a few clarifications...
Assuming we are going with a Latin Monarchy,

What is the rules with a Regency?, does the player hold onto the reigns until a new king is enacted?
Also what happens if someone claims our throne? and we end up in Personal Union?

As for choices I think a second rate Monarchy would be more intresting then the stronger ones..
Maybe something like Denmark, Aragon, Portugal, Sicily, Milan, Scotland, or Hungary.

You know a kingdom that isn't too strong like England, or France but thats not a one state nation either.

[Cecil XIX]

I'm in. :yes:

Bohemia, Scotland, Sicily, Aragon & Hungary all sound good to me.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I don't think I've done an Aragon playthrough recently (or even ever?). As long as we can hold off Castille (or survive in Italy if things go pear-shaped :P) I think it'll be fun.

[Beskar]

Sweden is a possibility.

[TinCow]

First of all, I would like to have a few clarifications...
Assuming we are going with a Latin Monarchy,

What is the rules with a Regency?, does the player hold onto the reigns until a new king is enacted?
Also what happens if someone claims our throne? and we end up in Personal Union?

A regency is handled like any other reign... handed off to the next person who plays for the duration of the regency, unless the regency lasts for less than one year. For a Personal Union, it should play the same way: the reign of a single ruler is the playtime of a single player. I doubt we'd ever be in a Personal Union for two consecutive reigns anyway.

[miotas]

I think I'd like to play a game as Sweden. Aragon would be my second preference. I've never played a game as either of them. Aragon might be a bit hard for some of the less skilled players, sandwiched between France and Castille.

[Secura]

The problem with Sweden (or indeed, Norway, Brandenburg, Holland and so on) is that you're in a Personal Union when the game begins; you're not playing as your own King/Queen/Doge/whatever, so the roleplaying aspect of the succession game is dampened somewhat, unless you're acting as the respective monarch and saying things like "and then I made Sweden do this...", which feels a little weird to me.

That's my two ducats, anyway. :3

[pevergreen]

The problem with Sweden (or indeed, Norway, Brandenburg, Holland and so on) is that you're in a Personal Union when the game begins; you're not playing as your own King/Queen/Doge/whatever, so the roleplaying aspect of the succession game is dampened somewhat, unless you're acting as the respective monarch and saying things like "and then I made Sweden do this...", which feels a little weird to me.

That's my two ducats, anyway. :3

Sweden is also incredibly poor, and has major trouble dealing with neighbours. Once you get to a certain point though, its sort of ok.

Aragon faces a fight for survival, but has multiple avenues of expansion: Iberia, Northern Africa, Italy, colonisation etc

[TinCow]

Aragon seems to be a popular choice, so I'll make an executive decision and pick that one. I've never played as Aragon personally, so I'm intrigued by it. If anyone has a serious objection to it, raise it now; otherwise I will play my reign tomorrow and the first write-up should be up by tomorrow night.

[pevergreen]

Aragon seems to be a popular choice, so I'll make an executive decision and pick that one. I've never played as Aragon personally, so I'm intrigued by it. If anyone has a serious objection to it, raise it now; otherwise I will play my reign tomorrow and the first write-up should be up by tomorrow night.

Sounds good.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Subscribing... ~:)

[Secura]

Keeping Castille and France at bay should be fun... :>

[TinCow]

Started playing. Up to 1427 and the starting king is still alive. Had some successes against minors and established a super-strong navy, but struggling more financially than I'd like (partially due to the navy). I've also avoided being totally annihilated by Castile twice already, the second time ended up with a Castile paying my some cash for peace despite occupying about half the country because France and I are BFFs. Yeesh... Castile is going to be a MAJOR pain to take down, and they're out for our blood constantly.

[edit]Ok, reign ended in 1430. It's a regency (first heir died at about age 25), but it will be a long one (current heir is 4) and the heir is pretty decent (7/6/7). Working on write-up now.

[Secura]

What settings are you playing on? I'mma scared of messing up. xD

[TinCow]

The Reign of Marti I d'Arago
(The Time of War and Taxes. And Boats. And those &^$# Castilians!)

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/king.jpg

The year was 1399. King Marti surveyed his kingdom, but he did not like what he saw. The shape was just... wrong. Fat in some places, narrow in others; all in all, pretty ugly. It totally threw off the whole aesthetic.

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/start.jpg

Something had to be done. Fortunately, King Marti knew what to do. "We will attack Navarre and vassalize them! Navarre will help make Aragon look more like a proper triangle! The country is currently slightly tilted due to its unevenness, and better triangulation will increase its stability!"

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/navarremission.jpg

And so it was the very brief and no-so-glamorous War of Aragonese Triangulation began.

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/navarrewar.jpg

After the war was over, the world was so impressed with King Marti's ability to invade a tiny country with almost no army to speak of, that the semi-great nation of Savoy offered to form an Alliance. There was much rejoicing. Denmark offered as well, but King Marti did not know where Denmark was, so he declined. There was much rejoicing.

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/savoy.jpg

Shortly thereafter, one of King Marti's advisors informed him that his second cousin had married the Queen of Sicily's third cousin's niece. Given the divine supremacy of Aragonese loins, that could mean only one thing:

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Several days later, the King's wife gave birth to a new heir. Aragonese loins were once again supreme!

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/heir1.jpg

Unfortunately, at about this time, the Court Cartographer died. King Marti, being so obsessed with his own loins, did not realize that the man was dead. For the next 25 years, he would regularly shout at the man, "Paint a picture of this event, so that the fruit of my loins can witness my greatness! In color!" Needless to say, the festering corpse in the corner of the room did not comply. King Marti assumed his silence to be a sign of utmost obedience and reverence for the Royal Loins. (Somehow my screenshot program stopped recording from here on out. I didn't realize it until the end of the reign, sorry.)

One day, King Marti realized that he was short of tiny salty fish. So, he attacked Sardinia, as apparently someone had told another Aragonese King that he had the right to fish there about 150 years ago, or something like that. Unfortunately, the Pope and Genoa also coveted the salty fish, so they went to war with Aragon to stop them. King Marti called on his Savoyard friends to help him stomp on Genoa, which was great. Then Genoa called on their friends Switzerland to stomp on Savoy, which was not so great. And Hungary as well. It was at about this time that King Marti realized that he had a navy. Not just any navy, but a GOOD navy. "Where did all these big ships come from?!" he asked. "Aren't Mediterranean powers supposed to have galleys or something?"

The Great Aragonese Navy was victorious in battle after battle. Defeating the navies of Genoa, the Papal States, and Hungary, several more big ships were captured, making the Great Aragonese Navy the Greater Aragonese Navy. Soon, none of the other foes could reach Aragon or the islands to fight, and the war was brought to a swift conclusion. Towards the end, it occurred to King Marti that Sardinia would really look pretty odd sitting out there in the water all by itself. So, he demanded that Genoa give up Corsica as well, so that Aragon could have a nice semicolon island cluster. Proper punctuation was important to Marti. His advisors told him that the King of Bohemia, the Holy Roman Emperor, would be very upset with Marti for taking a province of the Empire. So, Marti came up with a plan. He sent diplomats to deliver insulting remarks to the King of Bohemia, about how ugly and non-triangular his country was. When that was finished, Marti formally withdrew Corsica from the Holy Roman Empire. There was much rejoicing.

It was at about this time that Marti became obsessed with islands. So nice and neat and… floaty. He had to have more! That’s when he remembered that Sicily totally belonged to him because of that thing with his cousin’s loins or something. So, it was time for more war! Naples didn’t like that, nor did Milan, but that was ok because Marti didn’t like them either. Soon the Greater Aragonese Navy had destroyed the other enemy fleets, capturing even more big ships, becoming the Greatest Aragonese Navy. With total control of the seas, it was easy for Aragon to invade and occupy all of Sicily.

That’s when those jerkwads, the Castilians, decide to get all up in Marti’s face. They were like, “Hey, your nation doesn’t look triangular enough. You must die!” Marti was very unhappy when he heard this, because he knew it was true. His entire army was busy besieging Sicily, and Castile soon swarmed across the border and laid siege to half the country. Suddenly, Marti had an idea. He asked the Portuguese for an alliance, but they said it was unlikely. So, he sent his youngest brother’s second son to get it on with the Portuguese king’s sister-in-law. After witnessing the incredible prowess of the Legendary Aragonese Loins of Power, Portugal agreed to an alliance. Soon Portugal was at war with Castile, and the fortresses of Sicily had fallen. Marti forced Sicily into a Personal Union and rushed his army back to Aragon so that it could stomp on small Castilian armies and run away from big ones. After a while, the two-sided Loin Assault demoralized Castile, and they agreed to end the war in exchange for some Aragonese money.

Ha! What fools, little did they know that Aragonese money was worthless. As it turned out, the Greatest Aragonese Navy was really, really expensive. Some people suggested to King Marti that he disband part of it, as it really was too large, but Marti punched them in the nose. “Those big ships are expensive! Do YOU want to pay for them later? No? Then SHUT UP!”

So, King Marti created a National Bank, so that he could ‘mint’ money without causing Aragon to inflate like a balloon, because balloons are round and not triangular, and that would defeat the whole purpose of the War of Aragonese Triangulation.

At about this time, someone asked King Marti to make war on someone else far away. He couldn’t remember exactly which country it was, but it was really small and really far away. With such a major threat to Aragon’s existence, the people were very understanding when King Marti imposed brutal war taxes, then lowered all military maintenance to zero and sat around doing nothing. He told them it was a secret plan to lure them into complacency. The people were too stupid to realize that was a lie, and by the time the War with the People King Marti Could Not Remember was over, Aragon was rich enough to build a whole bunch of stuff. Like docks and constables and stuff. It was great.

So, King Marti decided to do it again! But the stupid people were apparently not stupid enough to pay war taxes when there wasn’t a war. So, Marti went looking for a war. At about that time, Portugal was at war with someone, who was at war with someone, who was at war with Hainault, which was, like, WAY far away, or something. So, King Marti declared war, raised war taxes, and reduced military maintenance to zero. He was very pleased with himself.

Unfortunately, the Hainaultans were too stupid to realize that the fake war was fake and not real, so they invaded. And Holland did too. So, Marti had to raise maintenance back up to full to fight off the enemy, and he went broke and had to take out a loan. It was humiliating, really. The whole point of the Fake War was to raise money, and he was now losing money instead of making money. The Greatest Aragonese Navy performed well, as usual, capturing even more big ships and becoming the Greatester Aragonese Navy. With his coastlines secured once more, King Marti sat back and milked the stupid peasants with his war taxes until Hainault finally got bored of it and decided to pay him off to make him go away. There was much rejoicing.

Castile was once again being rude about things, sending insults about Marti’s mother and banning all Aragonese merchants from their trade centers. Marti had already outsmarted them though, as he hadn’t even bothered sending any merchants in the first place. He was so smart. Still Castile had a lot of guys with pointy sticks, so Marti sent his brother-in-law’s eldest son to get it on with some minor French princess. The King of France was so impressed with the Legendary Aragonese Loins, that he signed an alliance with Aragon.

Soon, France was at war with a whole bunch of people, because the French were generally jerkwads as well, though Marti was too polite to say that their faces. One of these nations was Foix, which owned the province of Bearn. A few years before Navarre had been formally annexed into Aragon, and now Marti’s dreams of a truly triangular kingdom could come true. Some advisors said that it was a bad idea to take Bearn, as France considered it one of their own provinces. Marti stomped on their toes while wearing boots. “Look at it! It’s perfect! It will make Aragon a perfect triangle!” And so it was that the Second War of Aragonese Triangulation began.

Those jerks the Castilians were waiting for just something like this. While the Aragonese army was besieging Bearn, they declared war and invaded. Portugal honored its alliance and also declared war. Marti was thrilled, until an advisor informed him that Portugal had honored its alliance with Castile, who apparently they were also allied with. Marti was very angry, had the Portuguese forgotten the Legendary Loins so quickly? The fools would pay!

And pay they did. For large armies that stormed into Aragon and pretty much tore everything up. Marti quickly annexed Foix so that his army was free to run away from Aragon. And run away they did. Many times. They fought several times as well. And lost. And ran away. But the Legendary Loins once again won the day, for the French alliance held, and France sent massive armies into Castile. At one point, Marti managed to chase some Portuguese armies into France, where they besieged several provinces, including Languedoc. After taking that province, Marti humbles himself and offered peace with the Portuguese, for the price of Languedoc. His advisors whispered to him that the province was French, not Aragonese, that he had no right to give it away, and that France had been very noble in coming to Aragon’s aid and that this was no way to repay them. Marti had those advisors impaled on rhubarb and agreed to the terms. With Portugal out of the war, Castile now only occupied about a third of Aragon and had only about three times the size of it’s army. They were facing defeat!

At about this time, Prince Alfons, the royal heir, died. Presumably of too much fornication. It was a common problem in Aragon, you see. So, King Marti had no choice but to stop over in Barcelona for a week in the middle of the war and whip out the Legendary Loins once more. For the good of the country! Soon Prince Ferran was born, assuring many more years of Aragonese Loinitude.

Eventually, the Castilians became so exhausted by having to occupy so much Aragonese territory, that they conceded defeat and paid Aragon some gold. Some people say that the French were the ones who really won the war, by occupying half of Castile, but those people are dirty, dirty liars and their mothers should be ashamed of them.

So it was that the Second Great War of the Castilian Jerkwads ended. King Marti spent the last few years of his life praying for his loins and admiring the very nice triangular shape of his nation. He died in December 1430, from excessive fornication.

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/regency.jpg

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/AragonGame/mapend.jpg

Save Game File (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8692)

[TinCow]

What settings are you playing on? I'mma scared of messing up. xD

Default. Castile can't beat us too badly as long as the French keep protecting us. If we can get the Portuguese alliance back, we might actually be able to take some land off them in the next war. Still, it's certainly a tenuous position.

[Secura]

Default. Castile can't beat us too badly as long as the French keep protecting us. If we can get the Portuguese alliance back, we might actually be able to take some land off them in the next war. Still, it's certainly a tenuous position.

Alrighty, I shouldn't have too many problems; been getting used to the minting/inflation mechanics so the only problems I might have is curbing my usual aggressive expansion policy. xD

You've made alot of headway so far; gaining Bearn was a good move, though it probably means that France will come knocking on the door eventually! I'm definitely going to load up the save later and have a nosy at what's happened; I'll be keen to see what Lord pevergreen of the Regency Council does at any rate. :P

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Seems like a solid start and a great read, TinCow! :D

[pevergreen]

Will play in several hours.

Sucks I get the regency. :tongue:

[TinCow]

Sucks I get the regency. :tongue:

Sorry about that. I was actively trying to get my King killed in the last Castilian war so that Alfons (7/7/7) could take over, but the silly heir died before his father could. At that point I started trying to stay alive long enough to prevent a Regency, but it didn't work out.

[Northnovas]

Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

[TinCow]

Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

Welcome back! The first lesson of finances is to keep minting under control and to avoid lots of inflation. National Bank is a good first Idea for this reason (and what I took in the game above). Also, you can reduce maintenance when at peace to save even more money.

[pevergreen]

Well familair faces all posting in one thread; it's been awhile. Just picked up EU3 complete around Christmas on Steam. Haven't figured out all the mechanics like the finances. This game looks to be a good start with Tincow twist. I just saw DW available on Steam. I will be reading with great interest!. :book:

I knew it was you NN! (I spotted him in a thread at the paradox forums)

[pevergreen]

Ok. Its the 9th of May, 1432, and our heir just died. I'll continue playing the regency until we get someone on the actual throne.

Moved slider to centralisation, got a pretender.

I'm updating as I'm playing :D

15th March, 1434. We got to the defence of France. The only one that will trouble us is portugal.

Two days later, and we have a king.

https://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8839/eu32y.jpg
https://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7864/eu33o.jpg

I put the save game in the upload in the org thing, but i cant tell where it went, so:

http://www.filefront.com/17841821/Org Aragon 2.rar

PMing next in line.

[miotas]

Too bad you didn't get to play for that long, how did we go straight from no heir to a king?

[pevergreen]

It happens. Random lord ascends, can be of age.

Do me proud, multiplayer partner?

[TriforceV]

Heya, Is there any reason we arn't sending out the Merchants?
Might solve the money problem... just a though :-)

[pevergreen]

We dont have a money problem. If we start merchanting badly, we might.

[miotas]

Finished my hectic stint as ruler.

My reign started quite well. To add to the war with France that pever had, France was attacked by austria and I joined in defence and The Papal States were also attacked by Naples and once again I joined in defence.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/1startingwars.jpg


Castille attacked portugal so I white peaced them and focused on fighting in italy. I vassalised all the OPM's that were fighting the pope alongside the Napolese and then took a few provinces off Naples.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/2naplespeace.jpg


At this point the English decide that the only country in Christendom to fight in defence of the Pope is a traitor the catholic faith.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/3excom.jpg


Not surprisingly Castille seizes the chance to attack me, later joined by Portugal and the french decide to abandon me. At this point I am still doing quite well, my armies are far smaller than the Castillian and Portugese forces, but by picking my fights I manage to win most of the battles I fight in and I occupy some of their territory.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/4castilleexcomwar.jpg
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/5traitorfrance.jpg


The english attack me the following year.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/6englandexcomwar.jpg


I peace castille, getting a few concessions
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/7castillepeace.jpg


Things are going badly however in the war with the english, they have occupied a lot of territory and then strike a critical blow
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/8lostships.jpg


Corsica surrenders to the english
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/9occupationandrebellion.jpg


Unable to coordinate my forces without a navy it just gets worse and worse
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/10armylost.jpg


I sign peace with the english, making a lot of concessions. At this point things aren't going too badly, I could easily recover from this in a few years, and the provinces I was forced to free from being vassals are still friendly and allied.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/11englishpeace.jpg


Then disater strikes, I am attacked by Genoa, Portugal, Sienna, Aquelia, Savoy and many more besides. With so many countries attacking from all side the enitre country is quickly over run.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/12dogpile.jpg


I am forced to give a lot of land money and cancel almost all diplomatic relations, the country is devastated
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/13end.jpg


The king, distraught by the loss of his kindom dies of shame.
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/14death.jpg


Sorry guys, I feel horrible for destroying the game so early :shame:

http://www.filefront.com/17842592/Org-Aragon-3.rar/

[TinCow]

Sorry guys, I feel horrible for destroying the game so early :shame:

No. not at all! Not much that can be done about massive wars like that. There's no way for a country like Aragon to repel that many enemies. Besides, it's stuff like this that makes the game interesting to read. :yes:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I agree with TinCow. These kind of things makes the game interesting! :yes:

[Beskar]

Well, my turn is certainly going to be fun. :tongue:

Secura, if you leave me in a regency council, I will be upset.

[Secura]

I'm going to read over the pever and miotas' posts and then download the file and see what I get up to. :3

EDIT: poor pever, I was hoping to read some Regency Council hijinx but you just got unlucky. :<

And miotas... what have you done to our beloved Aragon? Haha, I'm just kidding, but things are going to be very difficult from here onwards considering I'm not very good at the game; I think we have just enough provinces to avoid annexation entirely, but if we're at war with multiple powers, it's adios Barcelona.

I'll start playing shortly. :3

Further EDIT: Loaded up the game, had a look at what was left, saw the levels of war exhaustion and such and realised there's no way I can do this; you said you'd be pissed if you had a Regency Council, Beskar... what if you had no nation whatsoever? :P

We'll see.

[TinCow]

but things are going to be very difficult from here onwards considering I'm not very good at the game; I think we have just enough provinces to avoid annexation entirely, but if we're at war with multiple powers, it's adios Barcelona.

Don't stress about it. If we recover, great. If we're annexed, we can just turn right around and start up a new game.

[TriforceV]

Yeah I have to agree,
makes the game more diverse and fun, and rebuilding or struggling after a horrible defeat is all the more enjoyable.

However, just for future refrence that might help avoid multiple wars in DW, Need to keep that infamy on the lower side, and have an ally or 2 to deter from attacks,
:-p,
but then again maybe thats just me.. Either way I can't wait to take the reigns

[Secura]

Well, I gave it a go and I just couldn't get anywhere.

I managed to defeat the Napolese forces and occupy Napoli after the Pope peaced out, with Modena occupying Calabria. Good news at first... except for a 10,000 Nationalist force that emerged from the capital and destroyed both our armies before marching into Apulia and taking that from me, which eventually defected back to Naples.

With no army or navy, and war exhaustion/inflation reaching levels where I couldn't do anything whatsoever, I was in no position to stop Heretics from marching around mainland Aragon and taking provinces; I managed to placate them but this granted the "National Heresy" modifier and caused them to march into the rest of Iberia, which led to Portugal and Castille declaring war on me (poor Papal relations from the modifier) soon after the initial truces concluded.

At that point, I quit; can't fight a war with no armed forces, so game over, basically.

At any rate, Beskar tells me that he tested the save file out, managed to annex Naples and recover the Aragonese land from the Portuguese with the help of the French; I was unable to do any of that, so rather than simply starting over as someone else or whatnot, perhaps it's best that he takes my turn as Joan II and I join the back of the queue. :3

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, I don't know if I could redo that. just wanted to see if I could recover to a reasonable degree and it was probably just luck. But, if TinCow is okay with Secura skipping, I could do the save since I am apparently next.

[TinCow]

If Secura got wiped out, the proper thing to do is call it a defeat. We'll start a new game and just continue on with the same player list at the same spot, so Beskar would be the first player of the new game. Another attempt at Aragon, or perhaps a different power this time?

[pevergreen]

TC: This is your project, your call.

:bow:

[Beskar]

I can go as a new nation, which nation would you like to play as? Perhaps Teutonic Order? Ireland OPM? None-Western?

Your call.

[TriforceV]

just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

[Secura]

The only nations that would even look at Aragon twice were Urbino, Siena and Sicily... everyone else wouldn't allow any form of diplomatic relations whatsoever, and I didn't have the ducats to convince them otherwise.

So when Castille and Portugal declared war again, Siena and Sicily basically said "no chance!" and scarpered; owning only Barcelona, Alicante, Aragon, Pirineo and the Baleares meant we'd probably be reduced to a OPM if that, so that's why I quit.

I was probably the worst player to have deal with that kinda situation, but I'm fine with joining the back of the queue and seeing what I get in the 16th/17th Century. :>

[pevergreen]

just a question actually.
Would anyone be interested in maybe another EU Succession game?
This time, instead of a smaller country like Aragon, we maybe try a larger kingdom like France? might make things more flexible and easier for all players involved
I'll have to admit the suspense of waiting for my turn to come is killing me...

this way if we have two games, everyones turn for either one will come alittle quicker.
I'm just asking if anyone is interested.. if not then forget I said anything.

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

[TinCow]

I can go as a new nation, which nation would you like to play as? Perhaps Teutonic Order? Ireland OPM? None-Western?

Your call.

Looking back through the preferences stated earlier, multiple people expressed interest in Hungary, Teutonic Order, and Sweden. I'll also toss in Holland and Brabant as personal favorites. So, I'll leave it up to you as the first player. Select from one of those five, or Aragon again. Keep in mind that if you start as Sweden you're going to have to tough out a Personal Union at the start.

[Beskar]

Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

[TinCow]

Sounds good.

Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him. We currently have a lot of enthusiasm going for this and the turns are going at blazing fast speed. When was the last time anyone has seen four separate reigns finished in 24 hours in a succession game? If we split up into multiple games, we might kill some of that momentum.

Let's keep it united as a single game for at least a few more days. If at that point some people feel like they have enough time to do two games at once, then start up a second one, but only after we've ensured that the first game keeps moving.

[pevergreen]

Time for me to get out the Prussian Artillery then.

From the raaage! thread at the EU3 forums

https://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj89/Gnarsh121/Challenge-accepted.jpg

[TinCow]

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

Further thoughts on a second game. If you are truly interested in doing something unusual and perhaps more difficult, we could specifically decide to assign an unusual and difficult task to a country. For instance, play an Irish OPM with the goal of conquering China. Or perhaps a reverse history, where an Indian nation conquers Britain. Or perhaps have the Mamluks colonize all of North America.

That said, I want to emphasize again that I think we should only add a second game after the first has had a few more days of running time, to ensure the stability of the thing.

[Beskar]

Ok, I am finished. This is going to be a long write-up. 34 years was a long reign. Good news for my successor, you are making buckets of money and in a strong position. I doubt even Miotas can lead the current condition into destruction. :p

Saved File - Download (http://www.filefront.com/17843975/Prussian Might.eu3)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

There certainly seems to be enough interest to run a semi hard and a semi easy one.

I was thinking of running something I believe Ibn had the idea for a while ago. One person plays the actual game, others form advisors, give policy etc.

I did. However, I don't have DW and can't join/start any games. ~:(

[Beskar]

Konrad von Jungingen was asleep. In his dreams, he dreamt of a glorious army winning a battle, they were dressed in Grey, under the banner of a black eagle with a crown. He pondered "Who's army is this? Is this mine?". There was a man, on a horse. Tall gentleman with a moustache, who looked like a general, possibly even a king. The man rode forward infront of the troops, he gave a big battle speech, "There will be no surrender, for we shall press the advantage, and create a land for the German people that would rival that of the great Hochmeister, Konrad von Jungingen."

Konrad wakes up, startled by a noise. He walks outside into the damp autumn day, a yeoman runs up to the Hochmeister "My liege, Bohemian troops are marching this way from other the hill. What are your orders?". Konrad sniffs the air, licks his finger and raises it. "I believe tonight will become a great victory for our Order."


Prussian Might
An Teutonic Order EU3 DW Succession Game

Weeks earlier...

Konrad renewed by his strange dreams, begins a long process of consolidating his position. He begins a series of government decisions to strengthen his resolve.

He begins by Sending a Delegate to the Pope and centralizing his position in the order. A local upstart sees this as an opportunity to attack! However, he gravely misunderstood the situation and soon paid the price for his foolishness.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/1.png
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/2.png

After the display of military might, The Palpinate and Aquileia flocked to join under the Orders banner by proposing an alliance. The Order accepted to increase their strength.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/3.png
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/4.png

The Teutonic Order began to examine the powers of Europe. A general pointed towards Austria. "If we are to exceed in our plans, we must be stronger than a nation like... Austria!". The Hochmeister drummed up the commanders to begin a recruiting campaign. Once the commanders returned, the Order was now ready for war.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/5.png
A messenger runs into the Command tent. "Sir! You must have the Prussian people. Those demonic latvian bishops using them to fuel their inferno hellfires!". The Hochmeister shudders. "Prepare the men, for we are going to war!".

As the Hochmeister army prepares to embark on its journey to Riga, a foreign messenger arrives. "You shall not prevent the progress of the almighty Holy Roman Emperor! You futile little nation shall bow to down to his might, as he crushes your forces and feeds you personally to his hounds!"
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/6.png
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/7.png
There are several large battles, which the Teutonic Order successfully defends against the might of the Holy Roman Emperor. After a crushing defeat of the forces led by the emperor himself personally, another foreign messenger arrives. "The Great Nation of Hungary views you as a powerful ally. Perhaps by working together, we can push back the advances of the Emperor." The Hochmeister considered this for a moment, then agreed. "With our new found allies, Hungary. The Teutonic Alliance shall demonstrate that the Emperor should mind his own business!".
[Riga was annexed, Pomeria vassalised and Bohemia received a bloody nose.]
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/8.png
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/9.png
After a couple of years of peace, a missionary returns to the court. "Sir, I am proud to announce that Samogitia are now devout believers of the true faith. The Hochmeister smiles as he looks on the map. He has won some powerful friends, and a good reputation.

[More to come in part 2 after some real life chores.]

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If you loose Estonia I'll start haunting you!

[TinCow]

Good start, Beskar, looking forward to the rest! :2thumbsup:

A general note to all players: when you are finished with your turn, please PM the next person in line to inform them that they are up.

[Beskar]

After dealing a devasating blow to the Holy Roman Emperor, the Hochmeister redraws territories from his 'imperial' realm. This wasn't seen very favorably by many of the powers in the HRE, but in the end, who cares about them?
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/11.png
Message arrives from the Pope.

"Dearest Hochmeister, I am pleased you dealt with the firebreathing Latvians, we have decided that you are worthy of the title: Defender of the Faith". Konrad smirks, it is a prestigious, but there will usually a string attached to it. Konrad replies "I will accept this honour". The legate replies "Good, and as your first duty, we have declared a crusade against the Mamluks", Konrad nods, "We want you to reestablish the Kingdom of Jerusalem." Konrad was surprised at this request, "You know that that is on the otherside of the world, right?". "Indeed! The Pope expects nothing less!" the legate states. The Hochmeister rubs his chin, "Alright, prepare the ships! We are going to war!"

Konrad leading an almighty force of 10k troops, traveled the breast of Europe to arrive at the Middle Eastern lands. "Alright we need a strategy.. Mamluks would not be expecting an attack from us. We shall have navy cut off their forces at Diamante. We shall move the other forces down from the North and quickly take the Holy Land, then reunite with the advance guard to assault Egypt." The plan was a success! The Mamluk heatherns main forces were trapped, allowing the Hochmeister to control the Holy Land. What was surprising that the neighbours of the Mamluks sensed their weakness and decided to decend upon them with their unholy wrath. The Timurids, Hedjaz, Ethopia, Tripoli and Morocco threw their forces into the fray, obliterating the amassing Mamluk forces. After a bloody war, the Popes will was done. The Kingdom of Jerusalem has been reestablished and the Pope relieved the Hochmeister of his duty, stating that his soul has been saved.

It also appeared that not only the Pope was grateful.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/13.png
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https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/12.png

After some time, the Pommerian people decided that the Teutonic Order should simply govern on behalf of their incompentant leaders. Their wisdom now means that all of their base are belong to us.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/15.png

The Hansa have been a pain in the military funding of the Teutonic Order for some time, the Order decided to make 'Danzig' the new capital, and establish a center of trade there as well. This greatly increased the monetary income of the Order, and it was about to increase more. The Hansa played with fire and got burnt, now they are excommunicated. This is an opportunity the Order couldn't back away from, Destroy the Lubeck/Hansa trade league!

After a shortlived battle, since the Hansa has been reduced to an OPM by the other powers in the area, the Order swept in and conquered them, annexing them for the greater good. With this, the trade league splittered into small pieces, allowing the Order to destroy Lubeck CoT once and for all, making Danzig a major trade hub in the Baltics and for the German people.

https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/16.png
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/17.png

Bohemia decided it is time for a rematch, bringing in the elector, Brandenburg as an ally. A long and glorious war was fought, but the superior numbers and firepower of the Teutonic Order lead to Bohemia retreating with its tail between its legs, and Brandenburg becomming a vassal of the Order. Brandenburg was later integrated into the Teutonic Order and been made the Nation Focus for any future leaders.
[Unfortunately, didn't get a screenshot of this ><]

The Death of the Hochmeister left the Order in a strong position as a Major European power. It is time for Heinrich to take the reins and lead the Order to further Greatness.
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/EU3/20.png
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[miotas]

Yeah I have to agree,
makes the game more diverse and fun, and rebuilding or struggling after a horrible defeat is all the more enjoyable.

However, just for future refrence that might help avoid multiple wars in DW, Need to keep that infamy on the lower side, and have an ally or 2 to deter from attacks,
:-p,
but then again maybe thats just me.. Either way I can't wait to take the reigns

I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies. :tongue:


Also, I really don't think there's a need to split the game between difficulty levels. miotas' situation was very difficult. I can guarantee you that I would have ended up in the exact same situation in my second war with Castile if I hadn't had France on my side, and in his game France was on his side but deserted him.

Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

[TriforceV]

I only had 17 infamy, and I had France, the pope, sicily, pisa, ferrara, and urbino as allies. :tongue:

Castille wasn't actually the problem, despite France abandoning the alliance, the Papal States actually turning and attacking, and Portugal joining against me, I was comfortably winning the second castillian war. If england hadn't picked that moment to attack, I could have demanded far more than Castille simply realeasing Navarra.

I though i saw 19 on the SS, either way 19 or 17 its still much to much.
Your biggest mistake was biting off more than you can chew (half of Italy), when Castile is being so hostile.
Had you done more prestigous peace agreements instead of infarious ones, france may not have broken the alliance, and England not join the war!.

[Northnovas]

Welcome back! The first lesson of finances is to keep minting under control and to avoid lots of inflation. National Bank is a good first Idea for this reason (and what I took in the game above). Also, you can reduce maintenance when at peace to save even more money.

Well I never really left I just kept signing in surfing to see what was going on and playing a little mumu in the Arcade.
Well I failed that first lesson with Portugal I think I was at 52% inflation spend spend spend! Supporting that large army because you just never know when the Rebels will pop up! :dizzy2:


I knew it was you NN! (I spotted him in a thread at the paradox forums)

I knew it was you on the Paradox forum offering sage advice and there can only be one pevergreen in any forum! I was checking out the fourm for answers for this game and HoI3 there were some sweet deals over the holidays. The Steam concept slowly grows on you. A few issues but nothing to stop playing.

Your second game's success so far with the Order is amazing and to have a successor called Heinrich. There's something about that name that can create some magic to the game play. Following along......

[Secura]

So what's the order for people playing now? :3

This?


List of Players:
Beskar
Alexander the Pretty Good
TriforceV
Cecil XIX
TinCow
pevergreen
miotas
Secura

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Saved game for TriforceV: http://www.filefront.com/17846286/Prussian Might 2.eu3

Too tired to do a full write-up now, but I'll give a brief summary from an "out of character" perspective.

I'm a pretty conservative player and I don't like taking land without cores and/or a mission so my reign is going to be a lot less interesting than Beskar's. Semi-chronological outline:

> I went to war with Bohemia (trade dispute, used it to beat up on them a bit and liberate Brunswick)
> Joined but contributed little to Hungarian expansion in the Balkans
> Joined but contributed nothing to wars defending Crete from the Byzantines and a war defending Jerusalem from the Mamlukes (the former went much better than the latter)
> Got involved in Russian politics (helped break up Muscovy and kept them boxed in, they will have a hard time forming Russia)
> Big war
Bohemia (HRE), Austria, Burgungy, tagalongs vs Myself, Hungary, tagalongs
Denmark attacked me, Hungary refused to help, I white peaced with Bohemia et al
Defeated Denmark, Norway, tagalongs, Hungary got slowly taken apart and is partially occupied by Poland

Currently have 2 badboy points and dropping (built an embassy in a recently annexed OPM, so Triforce can get a little infamy happy), 1.5k in the bank, ~75 prestige (number 1?), defender of the faith, and the day Heinrich died I hit gov tech 9, so there's a fun decision right out of the box for Triforce.

Good luck, beware Bohemia and Austria working together!

[TriforceV]

Alright, I'm playing the turn, alot has happened since I took the reigns, plenty of wars, lots of new lands..
I'm currently at 1495 and my heir refuses to die :-)
I'll give a detailed account when I'm done of all that's happened, unfortunately I'm exhausted and I have to go to class tomorrow, I'll finish up the turn tomorrow night. I hope that's alright with everyone?

[pevergreen]

Of course!

We're going quite fast, no pressure.

[Vladimir]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

[TinCow]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

Aragon is all about playing the major powers off against one another. I bet that the first game would have gone differently if Aragon hadn't gotten excommunicated. It doesn't matter how much the papal controller hates you, he can't excommunicate you if you keep your relations with the Papal State high. When you're excommunicated, everyone gets a free causus belli against you and allies are far more likely to abandon you. Without the excommunication, I bet that the Castilians would still have attacked, but France may not have abandoned Aragon, and most of the other wars would not have occurred. Despite the comments made earlier about infamy, as far as I could tell our infamy was still in the orange range, which indicates that it is high, but not high enough to really cause people to declare war on you.

[Beskar]

Shame the KOJ barely lasted a turn. I was hoping they would do ok, with a big chunk of land, which over the time has cored. Perhaps a future ruler would vassal the KOJ then re-expand its borders. :p

[pevergreen]

Shame the KOJ barely lasted a turn. I was hoping they would do ok, with a big chunk of land, which over the time has cored. Perhaps a future ruler would vassal the KOJ then re-expand its borders. :p

I've never actually enacted that decision. Next game I play, I will.

[Zim]

The first two pages of this thread encouraged me to start a game with Aragon last night. The first playthrough went well until the regency hit me and I was forced into a PU with Portugal. Then Castile declared war. As soon as their army was beaten Portugal sold me out. Restart.

Now things are much better but being between Castile and France is definitely a rock and a hard place scenario. It looks like you have a good nation now.

Aragorn can be quite fun. I had a game going as them a while back Expanded a little bit against Castille and was slowly swallowing up Italy. The early years were rough, though. My experience is the same as TinCow's. Playing the big guys against eachother is the best way to survive the early game (and hoping you don't get a disadvantageous Personal Union. :clown:).

[Vladimir]

Aragorn can be quite fun. I had a game going as them a while back Expanded a little bit against Castille and was slowly swallowing up Italy. The early years were rough, though. My experience is the same as TinCow's. Playing the big guys against eachother is the best way to survive the early game (and hoping you don't get a disadvantageous Personal Union. :clown:).

Yes, well tha Aragonese loins failed me big time in the first try. That's an advantage of having a republic.

[TriforceV]

The King is Dead on March 1502.
Here is the Turn: Prussian Might 3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?3tunu83w7oeo9wi)

https://img268.imageshack.us/img268/870/eu3gamepicleader.jpg
His Reign was long and prosperous, got into plenty of wars mostly for the better...
Here is my Empire:
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6404/eu3gamefinal.jpg

I started off the game in a solid position thanks to Alexander,
I managed to keep inflation to 0 throughout my reign and incorporate a new Trade center (Novogrod) into our little Empire.

First I choose as an Idea = Grand Army.

My primary concern was to join the Lubeck with the rest of my Empire, and as a result I took down Mackenburg, this was an aggressive war with No cause beli, I also took advantage of the war to incorporate Poskov.

In the process of fighting countless wars, I lost some allies, and made others (mostly vassals) Luneburg (which I diplo-annexed)

I fought Sweden, and won gaining only prestige,
was attacked by Denmark and Poland who joined the alliance and took a nice big chunk of Poland. (3 provinces). My infamy was pretty high at this point 21.9.
So I decided to take it easy and rest for a bit..
When it finally got low enough, I had gained a Core province of Polotosk on the Lithuania border.
Lithuania at this point was a huge powerhouse and had gained the Trade center of Novogrod, I joined the war and relived them of Both Novogrod and Polotosk.

got into a little war with Denmark, and Finland (making Finland my vassal).

We became Papal Rulers (think we still are), and I declared war on Austria which were Excommunicated (and Emperor), this was the toughest war I was in.. fortunitly I declared war when they were busy fighting Swiss and France, but they are a real pain in the butt, Austria keeps demanding I give them provinces and has plenty scattered throughout Germany.
Their armies are huge, more advanced, and possess the greatest thread in my opinion.
While I had to end the war short because they were starting to kick my ass (still got white peace thought), I managed to take out Hamburg (annexed them), but was unable to take Stead (Austrian province in our Western Front).

The Protestant Reformation occurred in Denmark, and is branching out in Aragon

And when My King died I was at war with Pvsk (or something like that) in the Eastern front, It's a cake walk....

Now for the Next King (Ludwig):
The Economy is good, you have 3000k+ and I can't seem to spend it quick enough!
Inflation is at 0, Treasure slider is as far left as it can go, and even thought it says I'm losing money, the traders (now capitalizing in both Danzig and Novogrod are making enough to keep the money a flowing!.

The Army is double what it was before I took over: 61k as opposed to 30K

Stability and Infamy have had a roller coaster experience, but as it stands they are both on good footing:
Infamy: 7.7
Stability: +2

I think all in all, I did a decent job, and leave it stronger than I received it,
I certainly wasn't conservative and threes alto of provinces that arn't Core.

Anyways Give em hell here are some extra Pictures:
https://img69.imageshack.us/g/eu3gamefinal.jpg/

[pevergreen]

You did well!

Very well indeed.

We should be able to form prussia almost instantly.

[TinCow]

Long Prussia is Long!

[Beskar]

Now to form Kingdom of Prussia, and move Capital to Brandenburg to get the Prussian military bonus.

Then onwards to Germany!
(Also, possibly when we got a kingdom, vassalise some electors.. so we can become Emperor :p)

[Vladimir]

Long Prussia is Long!

Something to do with their loins?

[Beskar]

I went through the save, and there were some things that concerned me for the future. The expansion in the East left us gaining poor territories which has hit our technological research hard. This difference is significant, we are currently 9/8/8 etc, while others in Europe have 15/15/15 etc. Also due to increased size is the difficulty in maintaining a religious coherence.

On the good side, we have large armed forces, and a couple of stacks will need splitting so they don't kill eachother over attrition. It might be worth a looking at changing to Protestant for the trade and income boost, as we won't be a colonial power as such.

[TinCow]

Almost there. Looks like we need to annex Anhalt, Bremen, Silesia, and parts of Brunswick and Finland.

https://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1690/eu3gamefinal2.jpg

[Secura]

I'll be interested to see how Ceci- KITTY! :o

*ahem*

How does one counteract lowered research from poor provinces? Could just sell them back to a neighbour?

[Beskar]

or you can make them into a vassal. Territory with no cores receives a 90% penalty, so a non-core expansion in the East hits home here.

[TriforceV]

I went through the save, and there were some things that concerned me for the future. The expansion in the East left us gaining poor territories which has hit our technological research hard. This difference is significant, we are currently 9/8/8 etc, while others in Europe have 15/15/15 etc. Also due to increased size is the difficulty in maintaining a religious coherence.

On the good side, we have large armed forces, and a couple of stacks will need splitting so they don't kill eachother over attrition. It might be worth a looking at changing to Protestant for the trade and income boost, as we won't be a colonial power as such.

Exaggerate much!?
we arn't 9/8/8 in technology... Most of our technology is in 10/11 (with the exception of navy), our land tech is currently at 10 but will be completed soon.
As for the other european kingdoms, they're land tech on average is 14 (give or take).

I have the treasury slider positioned furtherest to left (hemreging money in order to boost technology).
If you prefer you could move the Policy change slider to Free subjects (advancing technology even more)
and finally hire some policy makers that will boost technology.

As for maintaining a religious coherence, we are a Theocracy and papal controllers and 95% christian
at the moment there is no reason to change to protestant, or even contemplate it, with the exception of 2 eastern orthdox provinces, we are fully catholic. (and missionary's are working hard to control them).

And split the stacks if you want, but I combined a few because most enemies that will be difficult to fight (like austria) will have large stacks that will require large armies, attrition be damned if you have no army left to fight!

And about the weaker Eastern Provinces,
I only managed to capture 3 Eastern Provinces during my turn,
1 of them was a CORE (reconquest), the other 2 Polvsk and Novogrod...
While Polvsk might not be that great, it allows me to access to Novogrod,
And Trust me. Novogrod was a good investment no matter how you look at it, It does more for boosting out income than not having it...

but other than that... good advice :-)
And no offense, I'm just throwing in my 2 cents, as the last king, I just wanted to explain the motivations for these things I've done, although I do agree technology would be my focus in the future.

[Beskar]

No problem, I just saw a potential issue. :beam:

Edit:
I apologise if i came across as harsh, that wasn't intentional. Though I will admit, you did play differently to how i would have done, but then again, this is what a successsion game is all about.

Though, the tech thing was mainly reference to the OPM's, in a multiplayer game I played, France was tech level 9/9/9 or so around 1470's, mainly due to massive bonus from its neighbour territories (all OPM's). It seems our Prussia doesn't have that advantage, unless we expand into HRE.

[TinCow]

Triforce, did you PM Cecil that it was his turn?

[Cecil XIX]

No worries, I got it. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/sid7oh) Only got two years though, so not much happened other than Muscovy annexing Pskov.

[TinCow]

I can't open that link, the website times out. Can you upload the save via another site?

[pevergreen]

I can't open that link, the website times out. Can you upload the save via another site?

Confirming link dead.

[Cecil XIX]

All right, try this one. (http://www.mediafire.com/?nvmthkqfk0l7tsi)

[TinCow]

Had a very fun ~40 year reign. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do a full write-up of such a long period, so I'm just going to do a simple chronology of events.

Immediately formed Prussian and switched to an Imperial government.
Annexed Finland.
Vassalized Mazovia.
Allied with France.
Reformation gets underway, I wait and see. Eventually it becomes clear that the reformation is a dud, very few nations convert, so I adopt Count-reformation and stay Catholic.
France gets attacked and call me for support. I agree and become alliance leader over France, showing just how far their power has fallen. HRE Austria is the main enemy. I take horrible losses even when outnumbering the enemy significantly due to low land tech. I do my best to tackle each Austrian stack one at a time, but I run out of manpower. I white peace out with several provinces occupied and with armies heavily depleted, white peace only gained because France had occupied many scattered Austrian possessions.
Raising land tech to competitive levels becomes a top priority. I also adopt National Conscripts as the third idea to ensure we do not run out of manpower that quickly again.
Random alliance wars against Poland and Sweden, neither of which results in anything worth mentioning.
Militia Act and Liquor Act decisions enacted.
Due to some warnings, we end up as alliance leader in a war against Lithuania, Smolensk, Holstein, Wallachia, and Ryazan. Holstein quickly annexed. War decisively won in the east, large portions of Lithuania are taken. Lithuana is later reduced to OPM by other nations in later wars.
Bohemia is at war with Austria. I had been holding onto an Annex Silesia mission for a while, and use it for a free war against HRE Bohemia. Other minors come into the war. Saxony is vassalized and three provinces taken from Bohemia, which is heavily shattered and splintered by rebels and other opportunist wars. Peace terms run our infamy right up to the limit. I spend a long time bringing it back down and burn a lot of magistrates to get to 100 culture so that I could get a level 6 diplomat.
Switch to Administrative Monarchy to increase income and magistrates.
Three manufacturies built, level 2 forts built in all border provinces plus much of the west. Production buildings built where possible whenever possible.
Burgundy annexes France! Burgundy is a behemoth now and easily the strongest military power.
Alliance with England obtained for some friendly muscle.
Meissen annexed.
Bohemia attacks to try and take back their provinces. They are backed by Bavaria, Switzerland, and Alecon. England and our vassals join us in defense. Only a month into the war, the king dies. The new king will have to fight this war.

Tech is far better now than when I inherited. Land tech is at 20, which is maxed without incurring penalties due to being too advanced. Government is about 18, the rest are around 15-17. Was attempting to vassalize Thuringia for long-term forming Germany purposes, but have not been able to do it due to infamy. Relations are high though, so a possibility for a future ruler.

New King is Ludwig I von Wittselsback (Admin 6/ Mil 7/ Dipl 6). I believe he was about 27 when he inherited.
Ending map:
https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/eu3game2011-01-2816-03-18-81.jpg

Save Game File (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=8697)

[pevergreen]

In breaking news, I am awesome.

:tongue: Passing save to miotas: http://www.filefront.com/17864212/pever2g.rar

Summary of turn coming now.

Note: To make picture readable, right click and view image.

After taking a look at the position TinCow had given to me, I was:

Satisfied it wasn't terrible.
Unhappy with army composition.
Unhappy with National Idea selection.

So I went about changing that. A quick victory in the war, then an idea change from National Bank (why inflation -0.1 when no one should be minting and we have -0.05 from centralisation) to Church Attendance Duty. This gives the coveted:
https://img806.imageshack.us/img806/3120/eu32.jpg
Plus -33% stab cost and +5 papal influence is good.

Then swapped out National Conscripts (Terrible Idea, tbh. If you are running out of manpower when you have more than 4 or so provinces, you are fighting wrong) for Military Drill. +1 morale is good.

In other stability reducing news, I moved our Capital to Brandenburg (for the decision when we hit land 30)

Church Attendance Duty quickly got us to Papal Controller a few times:
https://img593.imageshack.us/img593/337/eu33k.jpg
I released Finland as a vassal. The provinces are weak, poor and just add to tech cost. The plan was basically sit around and not do too much. Money was tight to start with, but after a few wars with bohemia, we got another Centre of Trade in Stade, giving us 3.

The occasional boundary dispute got me some new territory, and one war led to quite a few new vassals. Bohemia has nothing now.

A lot of building took place. Most provinces have level 2-4 of production and nearly everything has a level 2 fort (bar a few provinces I just took)
Just before the King finally died, Thuringa and Salzburg were annexed (hence so much infamy). Salzburg gave us another CoT and Thuringa gets us very close to our eventual destiny.

Thats right, just one more province owned, then cored and we can form Germany.:
https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8324/eu310.jpg

King death:
https://img820.imageshack.us/img820/460/eu34.jpg

History of my reign:
https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9890/eu35.jpg
https://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3631/eu36m.jpg
https://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4798/eu37f.jpg

And some pictures.
https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4825/eu38m.jpg
https://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6301/eu39v.jpg
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9292/eu311.jpg

When we hit tech 30 for things, Grand Army and Battlefield Commisions should be swapped out for the Land and State ideas, and possibly one of the others for the Smithian Economics or whatever it is.

-20% maintenance, -1 infamy a year and +20 or 25% production effiency.

[TinCow]

Then swapped out National Conscripts (Terrible Idea, tbh. If you are running out of manpower when you have more than 4 or so provinces, you are fighting wrong) for Military Drill. +1 morale is good.

This amuses me, as the first thing I picked for Idea 3 was Military Drill. Switched it for National Conscripts after I got my butt whooped by Austria.

[pevergreen]

:laugh4:

If you were losing the wars like that, you should have swapped out National Bank.

Plus the way you arrange your armies was off. You were land tech 20 yet no arty.

I stick to the following format:
4 cav/8 inf/2 arty

I then expand to 4 arty, 12 inf and 6 cav. Then if a big doomstack comes, you group up your stacks. It stops having to rearrange stacks, allows structured recruitment and gives the Combined Arms bonus, with enough arty to speed up level 2 fort taking.

The stacks are small enough to avoid big attrition damage. When you go around that early with stacks of 20, you're asking to lose. Especially with no arty.

[Secura]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Albrecht II copes with his father's infamy... :P

[miotas]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Albrecht II copes with his father's infamy... :P

He embraced it! :laugh:

Reign was relativly short, only 10 years.

First order of buisness was to take Franken, It will be cored by 1639. I had no CB, but the Church attendence day means that regaining a stability point only takes 8 or 9 months. Austria, Bohemia and a few other countries defended the Palinate. All but Austria folded quickly, Bohemia giving me Erz. The Austrians had excellent generals, so it was a incredibly difficult to try and beat their armies and I looked to be in for a long war of attrition.

England then attacked, so I stitched up my vassal Bavaria and let Austria take one of their provinces so I could focus on fighting England. England was the exact opposite of Austria, seemingly endless supply of stacks and a superior navy but no commanders worth mentioning. Their fleet meant that they could land troops anywhere along the coast and it was quite difficult to pin them down. In the midst of the war with the English, Pskov decided to attack, but they were weak and a single stack on 16k was able to overrun their entire country in a few months. Eventually I forced some decisive battles on the English and my troops were more than a match for their numerically superior armies. After a few years of that my forces had increased greatly in number to about 100k due to my wartime recruitment, but the English only had about 15k men left.

At this point the polish decided to attack, so I peaced the English, taking Jylland and forcing them to release Connaught who pretty quickly formed Ireland. Poland was a cake walk. My armies walked all over them and I took a peace with their allies the Palinate, forcing them to be my vassal and then peace with Poland just before my king died, forcing them to release a bunch of countries.

I kept up the building, so there are Level 2 forts everywhere and a buch of new high level trade and production builings in our richest provinces.

https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/prussiandeath.jpg
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/Prussianfinal.jpg

My suggestions for the next player would be to immediately turn the king into a general and then recruit a new general. I have about 85 army tradition saved up from the last spate of wars and this combined with the high military score of the King should make him a superb general. We should also get some more royal marriages going, Ireland and all the countries I just realesed from poland are all very likely to agree to a marriage.

I was in the middle of rearanging the country's forces when the king died, so half the stacks are in pever's arrangement of 8/4/4 infantry/cav/arty and half are in the new arrangement I was using of 10/4/2.

The Von Wittelsbachs's are excellent stock, so the next two players should have fun with these good stat kings http://www.filefront.com/17864780/Prussia1597_03_18.rar

EDIT, oh, despite pever's suggestion I think we should keep the NI Battlefield Commisions, we'll need the tradtion if we want to get good generals to face up against Austria. If an NI needs to be ditched it should be bureaucracy, we don't need the that extra cash, despite having had my upkeep on maximum almost the entire time of those 10 years I had money coming out my ears.

[pevergreen]

Whoever is in control in 1639 make sure you form germany.

Everyone else up to that point: Do not lose a province. WE MUST GERMANISE.

[Beskar]

Should form Germany after the Prussian decision buff, we don't want to lose out on getting that.

[pevergreen]

Got 50 years, land tech 30 should be around that time.

[Secura]

Springtime for Secura and Germany!

I'm going to have fun with that high infamy. :P

[TinCow]

:laugh4:

If you were losing the wars like that, you should have swapped out National Bank.

Plus the way you arrange your armies was off. You were land tech 20 yet no arty.

I stick to the following format:
4 cav/8 inf/2 arty

I then expand to 4 arty, 12 inf and 6 cav. Then if a big doomstack comes, you group up your stacks. It stops having to rearrange stacks, allows structured recruitment and gives the Combined Arms bonus, with enough arty to speed up level 2 fort taking.

The stacks are small enough to avoid big attrition damage. When you go around that early with stacks of 20, you're asking to lose. Especially with no arty.

The army was how I inherited it, didn't change anything beyond combining two 10 stacks into a third 20. I didn't build a single military or naval unit during my entire reign, just worked with what I had. The only war I had any difficulty with was the first, after that my stacks were perfectly happy stomping on everything they encountered. As such, didn't feel a need to tweak them at all.

Personally, I never use artillery in my main combat stacks, it slows them down too much. I keep my kill stacks to inf/cav only (skewing cav heavy early, then inf heavy as tech advances) and make many siege stacks of 3 inf, 2 art. The kill stacks deal with the enemy forces, the siege stacks move in and start capping provinces. Kill stacks then splinter and assist with sieges when the enemy armies are done. Never had any problems fighting with a setup like that.

[pevergreen]

Never had any problems fighting with a setup like that.

I find it runs into problems when they start having 3-4 big stacks you need to chase down and they bring another in to mop up your sieging forces.

Each to his own. :beam:

[Secura]

Well, my reign just ended after a grand total of six years... I'll get started on a (short) writeup and then I'll IM the save file to Beskar.

[Secura]

The Reign of
Friedrich Albrecht I von Wittelsbach
18/03/1597 - 28/07/1603

March, 1597
It is with a heavy heart that I assumed my birthright as King of Prussia, my father's passing still weighing heavily upon my mind as I was ushered into the palace's war room, where a collection of his remaining advisors awaited; in my youth I had seen them as nothing more than a gaggle of yes men, pandering to my father's desires with little thought for the stability of our fine nation.

One advisor, a portly gentleman with an impressive moustache in hues of autumnal brown, cleared his throat and gestured towards an unfurled map of Europe, with our fine nation highlighted in shades of grey; I'm uncertain whether this was for convenience or showing off, but I didn't ask, allowing the gentleman to cite the military successes and territorial gains of my late father.

I remained unimpressed, however; while the expansion of Prussia has been commendable, we have been left with a tarnished reputation in Europe that unsettles both the nations around us and our own people. In order to recover the trust that the administration has lost, I called for the royal architect, requesting the construction of a courthouse that would bring law and stability to the nation.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/02_BerlinCourthouse.jpg

Additionally, I spoke to the royal treasurer and asked him to reduce the ducats spent on maintaining our armed forces; there would be no war while I was the head of state, and that coin could be spent on changing our nation for the better instead.


May 1597
Time flies, does it not? A mere six weeks into my reign and I was beginning to feel as though everything was proceeding according to plan; Prussian diplomats were working tirelessly to reverse our infamous ways, while simultaneously attempting to gain the favour of our powerful neighbours in Vienna and London; the construction of Berlin's glorious courthouse was going well and our military forces were keeping our borders safe.

Alas, the illusion of order was shattered when an envoy from Bohemia arrived in my court with a letter from the Holy Roman Emperor himself; the guards were cautious and my advisors called for the courier to be ejected from our lands, but that was the style of my predecessors... I chose to adopt the diplomatic path and listen.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/03_SalzburgRequest.jpg

The province of Salzburg was separate from the rest of our lands, and yet in a few short years it had become a critical component of Prussian diplomacy; the embassy within was vital for neutering the infamous reputation of my father, and I found myself with little choice but to reject the Emperor's demands to the applause of the court.

The Bohemian messenger was permitted to leave peacefully, albeit with his tail between his legs.


July 1597
The ebb of popular opinion had reached an all-time low, and I found myself at a loss as to how to win the people over; they are afraid of foreign intrusion and there are issues with rebels in the outlying provinces... what they need is renewed faith, a statement of change from their King... but how would I go about it?

The idea finally came to me during a session with the royal artist, who was painting my portrait at the time; he lamented about Venezia's annexation by the Napolese, which meant a decline in the artistic revolution that had been sweeping across the republic before it's demise. A true shame that warfare had taken precedence over culture.

What if Prussia could show itself to be a patron of such arts? What if we provided a carnival beyond their wildest imaginations, one that would make even Italia jealous? This was our chance to win over the sceptics, and consequently Berlin prepared for the greatest show in Europe.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/04_CommediadellArte.jpg

Aside from this wonderful news, our relations with the monarchs of England and Austria have been steadily improving, but they still view us with cautious eyes; there is still much to do on the diplomatic front.


November 1597

Two messengers from the Holy Roman Emperor within six months would usually make one feel prestigious, and yet I was filled with dread as I anticipated the demands we might face from them this time; Prussia still possessed several provinces within the Empire that had been seized in what they deemed an illegal manner, after all.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/05_FrankenRequest.jpg

Franken was the final territorial acquisition of my father prior to his passing, and while I felt disagreement on how the territory had been claimed in the name of Prussia, I also felt a strong sense of paternal and national pride, in addition to a firm belief that the province was vital to uniting the Germanic people underneath one banner.

We had to keep it and so an imperial envoy was sent back to Bohemia with his tail between his legs once more; perhaps they would get the message soon enough.


March 1598
One year has passed since my coronation, and yet it feels like a lifetime.

The courthouse that I requested in Berlin has finally been completed, and will serve as a model for the rest of the nation as to how we will run things from now on; to emphasise this, the Judiciary Act was written into law this month, which will hopefully lead to civil matters being taken through the courts rather than in the taverns as it is now.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/06_JudiciaryAct.jpg

Our efforts to win over the Austrians and English still refuse to bear fruit, but I remain intent on increasing our standing in Europe; another war could have dire consequences for our stability.


August 1598
My father had often stated that changing the nation's direction was one of the most difficult choices to make as monarch; both our neighbours and our people would judge their ruler based on this decision.

I pored over the choices night after night, my advisors occasionally appearing to impart advice to me but none remaining to influence the decision either way; given our militant past and future designs on unifying the Germanic people, it seemed fitting to steer us further into a land-based direction at the expense of our navy, which was suitable for preventing access to the Baltic anyway.

The next morning, it was brought to my attention that our young men were becoming increasingly enthusiastic about our increasing favour for the military, and a suggestion was made that one such bright star could have a place in the court.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/07_ExampleToAll.jpg

I declined to invite the young gentleman to the court, however, as I felt his abilities would be better suited to the field of battle.

Additionally, to ensure that the Holy Roman Empire does not come knocking upon Berlin's door in the future, we have painstakingly taken the choice to remove all Prussian provinces from within imperial borders; this may risk Bohemia's ire, but we have to make a statement of intent and there is no finer choice that this.


January 1599
Sometimes I question the aggressive expansion of my forefathers, which has resulted in much of Europe viewing us with distrust, and I believe that this month has affirmed that my stance of diplomacy is the right way to go for now.

I received reports of rebels arising in Livland to our east, fueled by nationalist conspirators angered by the infamous reputation that we had come to have. Their numbers were strong, and they proceeded to take nearby provinces with relative ease.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/08_NationalistSentiment.jpg

While it pained me to do so, I was left with little choice but to order the military to intervene... the rebellion was swiftly crushed and I found myself visiting the provinces personally to make assurances as their head of state. We will get back into Europe's good books!


December 1600
Success at last!

After two years of gifts and promises, the English Queen has finally succumbed to Prussian advances and agreed to a royal marriage! While it is by no means a signal of a possible alliance, it is progress, and we can ask for nothing more than that.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/12_EnglishMarriage.jpg

Construction has begun across the nation; our highly populated provinces will become home to regimental camps intended to help facilitate swift military recruitment should we find ourselves at war, while the port of Danzig will become a naval hub soon to be the envy of the world!


March 1602
Perhaps inspired by our diplomatic endeavours with England, the newly-formed Ireland has decided to follow suit and allow one of their lineage to marry into Prussian stock, reaffirming the strong ties between our nation and theirs for a long time to come, I hope.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/13_IrishMarriage.jpg

Unfortunately, Austria still seems cautious of our intentions, and refuses our offer of royal marriage to them. Alas!


September 1602
Alliances... while we strive to be united with the stronger powers in Europe, we cannot forget our obligations to the smaller nations too. However, such an alliance can lead to disaster, and it is with a heavy heart that I had to decline a request for aid.

Earlier this week, a messenger from Moldavia rushed into the palace, stating that his nation was under threat from the growing Wallachia; naturally, I jumped from my seat and prepared to inform the people that we were at war... when my military advisors reminded me that Wallachia had many powerful allies that had an interest in our nation's decline.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/15_MoldaviaCallToArms.jpg

The military monstrosity of Burgundy was not to be underestimated, and we had come too far with Prussian-Austria relations to throw it away in a war with the Habsburgs, so I had to decline the Moldavian request. The future does not seem bright for them, and I feel as though our prestige has fallen somewhat too.

As a side note, our technological advances have come on in leaps and bounds over the last two years, with my advisors reporting new infantry units, galley models and trading knowledge bolstering our efforts to emerge as the prominent power in Europe. Our production runs as magnificently as ever and we are apparantly producing the finest wool in Europe.


July 1603

I have fallen ill; the physician has no idea what has taken me so suddenly, but the prescription of leeches has done little to help.

Six years is not a very long time for a monarch to rule, but in such a short reign I have laid the groundwork for future endeavours whether they be diplomatic or militant in nature; ensuring that we keep some of the major powers on our side is pivotal in either regard, though.

Remain strong, Prussia.

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3%20Succession/17_KingDies.jpg

[TinCow]

Good write-up! Avoiding the war with Austria and Burgundy was wise. With infamy that high you couldn't even take much even if you'd won.

One way to avoid the HRE requests to return provinces is to withdraw those provinces from the HRE after you take them. That's always a priority for my magistrates after expansion within the HRE; otherwise those stability hits get very painful if you grab a bunch of provinces at once.

[Secura]

Good write-up! Avoiding the war with Austria and Burgundy was wise. With infamy that high you couldn't even take much even if you'd won.

One way to avoid the HRE requests to return provinces is to withdraw those provinces from the HRE after you take them. That's always a priority for my magistrates after expansion within the HRE; otherwise those stability hits get very painful if you grab a bunch of provinces at once.

Thank you, took alot of thought and effort to write, didn't help having Beskar pestering for the save file at the same time. :P

Initially, I intended to rush to Moldavia's aid and maybe neuter the growing Wallachia a little, but as soon as I saw their allies I knew that it was one of those wars that we just couldn't face; the prestige drop was an annoying yet completely necessary evil.

As for the HRE requests, I had assumed that previous monarchs might've been doing just that, but it pretty quickly transpired that wasn't the case and do I withdrew the rest of the provinces pretty quickly; it isn't like we're scared of Bohemia anymore. :P

One big choice that I didn't make, that perhaps I would have if it had not been a succession game, was religious conversion to Protestantism; you mentioned the counter-reformation modifier, which seemed good, and I noticed that the past three monarchs (including the self-proclaimed god of EU3) had all decided to retain Catholicism so I thought I'd stick with it. I've been told that Prussia is now Protestant again though, so... religious turmoil ftw? :P

To be honest, I was pretty beat when my monarch died so soon and without warning; it's not like he was a general or anything like that, and as far as I know he wasn't particularly old either. If the rate that we had last time is anything to go by, I'll be lucky to see the game before 1800 now. xD

[Beskar]

Well, that was a long reign. It would take a while for a long write-up, since I am going to go to sleep, but this is the short version.

- Converted to Protestant
- Changed some of the ideas around.
- Fought minor wars against various powers, including Austria and England. Key thing was the force-conversion of some of the HRE electors.
- Did a Royal marriage with Burg, and later on, did a claim throne, this resulted in a PU with Burg.
- Got elected as HR Emperor (thanks to Protestant electors which I converted then built relations with)
- Prussia became a HRE member
- Was able to form Germany but had to delay to get land tech 30.
- Formed Germany
- Massive European war where I united the majority of Germany.
- Ended with good income, 350 man army, in stacks of 25 (12 troop, 8 cav, 5 cannon). 150 ships (100 Wargalleons, 50 merchantmen)
- Bad news: have 35 infamy to burn. (Sorry Alex) However, you got more than enough troops to deal with any rebels or foreign invaders.

Recommendation: You are almost Government 30, get Cabinet (gives -1 infamy), and the Embassy is almost built (gives -0.40). Should burn that excess infamy off. Luckily, due to cores, you can do reconquest wars which give 0 infamy, so you should be able to expand.
Download Link (http://www.filefront.com/17868213/Peverussia.zip)

Picture of current:
https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1466/gery.png


Tip: Those doomstacks are lethal and I would recommend keeping them like that. They eat through provinces like a hot knife through butter. Load up the save, attack Austria (ignore -5 stab hit, as this is only demonstration), as soon as one hits that province in the middle, click "assault", the stack just eats through it within a few days. Allows rapid victories.

[pevergreen]

- Converted to Protestant

>_>

Ah well, we're bloody huge now.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3

OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.

My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.

I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!

>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).

To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).

Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.

[TriforceV]

http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3

OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-' It'll speed up when we get cores on a few HRE states, or Triforce can release them as vassals.

My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.

I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!

>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).

To further cement our position I also allied with Great Britain (because they kept asking me).

Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.

A Regency!?,
Seriously.. Can I play the regency and the King aswell, can't really do much with a Regency :-(

[pevergreen]

A Regency!?,
Seriously.. Can I play the regency and the King aswell, can't really do much with a Regency :-(

If the regency lasts for under a year, yup.

Pray for a "Heir falls ill" event.

Or "Hunting Accident"

Or one of the others.

[Beskar]

http://www.filefront.com/17868968/Germany_Borg.eu3

OK, got in a 14 year reign. Beskar left me with just about full infamy, but between a new embassy and getting the Cabinet Idea it's now going down at -.65 a year. It's at about 27 now. -_-'

:embarrassed: I hoped to have decreased some of the infamy myself.


My king ruled from 1643 - 1657, and it was a cakewalk. Thanks to Beskar I had about a dozen doomstacks (he named one after each of us playing and then there were a few more spares) and they are effectively unstoppable. We're raking in plenty of cash, we've got good relations and a personal union with Burgundy, which is huge and the only potential threat on the continent to us. There are a few non-Protestant provinces but they're rapidly getting converted; I think I started without about 20-25 missionaries running and it's down to like 5-10.

I basically just cleaned up some of the cores we had but didn't own - no infamy gains!

>Wien, rolled over them then Milan to get it, Austria is now an OPM on the Italian coast. Also took about 1600 gold from them in the process :D
>Switzerland had two provinces remaining, annexed them
>Croatia was owned by Aqueila but we had a core, grabbed that and WP'd a few of the Italian states who tried to stop me
>Istria was owned by Croatia but later Bulgaria got it (and they were an Otto vassal so I don't know how that happened). Attacked Bulgaria for it, had to smash the Turks. This was easy because they were already at -2 stab, way overextended into the Golden Horde territories, and had just 13k troops in Macedonia and nothing in the Anatolian peninsula. Visited Constantinople and was carving my way through Anatolia when I decided to settle for Istria, release of Bulgaria as a vassal, and 150 gold (all they had).

I am glad you was still able to have a good play. :beam: But yeah, ottoman empire stretched from Italy to China. A monster.


Got about 10k in the bank and a 5-6 year regency for the future King Wilhelm, a 9/9/7 genius.

Cecil is going to be over the moon with that beast.

[TriforceV]

If the regency lasts for under a year, yup.

Pray for a "Heir falls ill" event.

Or "Hunting Accident"

Or one of the others.

Seriously...
I would be alright if Alexander wants to continue the turn until a new king comes to throne,
A regency is an intrium period of inactivity because their is no leader,
Hence me as a player (leader), I shouldn't get burdened down with a regency, it lacks the succession part of the whole game.

At any rate, I'll wait for TimCow's say on this specifically, since he is the moderator for clarification on this troubling point.
And whatever he decides ill comply, no matter how distasteful it is :no:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Don't worry about it Beskar, I should've put more smiley's in the post since I wasn't upset - more like amused. :P And you guys have all done the heavy lifting, and I've gotten to smash people with a well-oiled military machine. Works for me. :D

I'd be in favor of letting Triforce play the regency and the monarch if you guys want, or I could even try playing til Wilhelm comes of age (assuming he doesn't die) but then again it's not my turn, I'd like to hear TinCow's and Cecil's opinions on it.

[pevergreen]

A regency would be treated like a normal reign, so it goes to a different person who plays the regency and hands it off when the heir comes of age (unless that is less than one year).


Will play in several hours.

Sucks I get the regency. :tongue:


Too bad you didn't get to play for that long, how did we go straight from no heir to a king?

There you go Triforce.

[TriforceV]

There you go Triforce.

I wasn't aware other people got the Regency...
Ohh well, I guess I'll just play and hope for the best.
Gotta be tomorrow though...

[TinCow]

Sorry about the Regency, but I don't want to change the rules mid-game since other people have had to deal with short reigns as well. For the next game, I would consider extending the 1-year period for a death to something longer. Would 5 years be too long?

[Secura]

I only had my King for six years and couldn't do anything due to high infamy; it happens. :3

[TriforceV]

Sorry about the Regency, but I don't want to change the rules mid-game since other people have had to deal with short reigns as well. For the next game, I would consider extending the 1-year period for a death to something longer. Would 5 years be too long?

Nah, I understand that people have short reigns, as kings die prematurely, yet regency's are the absence of a king, so when i give my report I don't feel like I've played an actual king...
Perhaps in the future, in another campaign if a Regency happens, then the player either may continue to play until a new king comes of age, or the following player should play the regency and the new king....
I have no problem with short reigns, as it happens (although extending it to 2 years would be fair).

At any rate, I'll play the regency right now, sorry to make such a huff about it:laugh4:

[TriforceV]

The Short Regency Council of Germany:
1657-1661

some rebellious elements were put down.
A university is being built in Novgorod (i felt like building something substantial).
And England dragged us into a war, mainly for colonial gains in South America, which amounted to very little gain.

https://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4830/newking1.jpg

Long live the new King
Here is the turn:
http://www.mediafire.com/?8jlfzdt9nu4284u

[miotas]

Maybe for the next game our turn should simply be tied to the life a ruler, regardless of whether they start in a regency or not.

[TinCow]

Maybe for the next game our turn should simply be tied to the life a ruler, regardless of whether they start in a regency or not.

Yeah, I'm thinking that would be best as well.

[pevergreen]

Yeah, I'm thinking that would be best as well.

As my turn in the Aragorn thing shows, Heirs dont live forever.

[Cecil XIX]

I should have the report for my turn up tomorrow.

EDIT: A little bit of expansion ever where, taking a few provinces in the Netherlands, a few in Italy, a few in Hungary, a few in France, finishing of the Ukraine, and a fair number in Scandanavia. Had to fight Britain and Castile over the course of the latter. Denmark is an OPM, annexing them should get us the Sound Toll. Accidentally got Wehrmacht Beskar destroyed in North America, although I've already queued up most of the replacements in Riga. Also created a third fleet in the mediterranean, GBS Heinrich. Converted most, if not all provinces and cored a bunch too.

http://www.mediafire.com/?vwbhmn3npiosubh

[TinCow]

Will get started on my turn tonight. Hopefully it's a short one, otherwise time constraints might force me to do this over a couple days.

[Beskar]

There is a new EU3 DW patch which fixes a lot of the Holy Roman Empire and cascading alliance stuff.
Filefront Mirror (http://www.filefront.com/17884680/Feb2nd_2011.zip)

Change log:
################################################## ##################
# AI
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- The AI is far less likely to join losing wars or countries that can’t handle fighting the war.
- AI is no longer interested in buying non-cores inside the empire if not a member.
- AI will no longer diplo annex countries inside the empire unless he got cores on them. Will still annex if he can keep a large share of it.
- The AI will disband troops it cannot afford
- AI is now far more reluctant to ally with someone at war.
- Ai is a bit more reluctant in joining in with agressors against someone else that is their ally.

################################################## ##################
# Gamebalance
################################################## ##################
- Improved the effects of the #3 & #4 government buildings.
- Ttweaked up magistrate gain a little bit again.
- Improved vetting, ecumenism, viceroys , siege corps & land of opportunity ideas.
- Despotic monarchy is now a fair bit slower to change its sliders to balance it versus feudal monarchy.
- Non-nomads can no longer annex nomads. (and vice-versa)
- Mercenary pools now upgrade over time when not used. Ie, no more latin knights filling it up.
- The emperor now gets a core and some reduced infamy for taking a province off agressors.
- Red priority will now only make sure you keep 2 merchants in a cot.
- Fixed loophole that made it possible to destroy other countries manufactories.
- Building things in your national focus restore parts of the magistrates when the building is finished.
- Every time a colony gets a trade goods picked, they gain one magistrate.
- Nomad tribute now expires properly, both when the original country no longer is a nomad, and when they are not neighbours anymore.
- Positioning is now properly capped in naval battles.
- Morale damage in navalcombat is no longer x100.
- Going bankrupt now clears all tribute relations.
- China can no longer get conquistadors or explorers unless the eunuchs are in power.
- Starting fleet is now scaled by techgroup.
- Civ/horde CBs now also apply to tribal_democracys
- Hordes can no longer claim defender of the faith.
- Annexation is not always immediately accepted anymore.
- Going bankrupt now lowers the size of your fleet to below force limits.
- Vassalizing japan while daimyo’s are still around is now far more costly.
- Vassals or junior partners of a union can no longer claim the defender of the faith.
- You only get compete chance from your leaguemaster if you have similar or lower badboy.
- You can now put your own vassals in your sphere of influence should you so desire it.
- A country getting vassalized will now break all its unions it is in.
- Alliances for vassals will now expire properly. (ie, one with others than their overlords.)
- The japanese emperor can no longer be inherited by outsiders.

################################################## ##################
# Interface Improvements
################################################## ##################
- Added shortcut tooltips from v2
- Added movement arrow upgrades from v2
- Fixed a tooltip error for lesser union partners in sphere mapmode.
- Improved detailed tooltip for cultural tradition change.
- Owned province reduction on compete, from targets is now displayed properly as 0-100 instead of 0-1.
- Remove-core effect is now shown even when you don’t have a core on that province.
- Loans will now properly offer the option to pay/extend at reload, even if game is saved while dialog is up.
- Advisor death message now lists the title of the advisor dieing.
- Changed highlighting on the infamy toolip.
- Improved display of troopsizes in the military ledger page.
- Culture decisions will no longer clutter the history log.
- Sorting now works on countries on the leader ledger page.
- Gaining revolt risk directly from events is now colored red, not green.
- Cav to Inf ratio is also shown as tooltip over cavalry value in a selected unit.

################################################## ##################
# User Modding
################################################## ##################
- The command secede_province now takes previous_owner as an argument
- Added support for set_province_flag & clr_province_flag in province history.
- Added a 'trade_range = yes/no' trigger.


################################################## ##################
# Setup & Scripts
################################################## ##################
- Grain depot changed to is_core = THIS from is_core = yes
- Joan of Aragon now belongs to the de Trastamara dynasty.
- Trent now joins Kingdom of Italy in 1809.
- A few rulers are now properly Bonaparte's.
- Capital of Bourbon is now Moulins.
- Changed kampaku decision since the ai doesn't handle the old one anymore
- Changed "mining_act" decision to require tax assessor anywhere in the country
- Changed "Corruption in the church" to require treasury_office instead of tax_assessor
- Changed "reduce_inflation" mission to require treasury_office instead of tax_assessor
- Changed tax_assessor to treasury_office in prices.
- Fixed "improve_the_han"
- Fixed population error in 1021 - Settsu
- Changed ownership of Sakhalin and the Kurils from JAP to FUJ
- Province capital of 238 - Essex changed to Chelmsford
- Fixed and tweaked the Wokou event-chain for Korea
- Fixed and tweaked events and decisions for Manchu/Ming/Korea border raids
- Restore_holy_see mission gives a temp claim and rewards with papal relations.
- Rewrote the "Mughal Nation" decision for hordes
- Event 6007 "A formal request" only fires if the emperor is not at war
- Event 6007 "A formal request" now gives the emperor one of two messages depending on the outcome
- Restore Holy see mission now cancels if EITHER rome is owned by papacy or you are no longer a catholic.
- Changed the capital of province Hessen to Marburg
- Changed the capital of Hessen to Kassel after 1567
- Fixed event 6415 (tax assessor)
- 10033 gives shogun influence, not HRE
- Fixed bug in "restore_emperor" decision
- Changed capital of Schwaben from Augsburg to Memmingen
- Fixed bug with "Manchu Alphabet"
- Fixed bug with "MASTER_OF_INDIA" achievement
- Added french cores to Dauphine, Languedoc and Toulouse
- Added french core to Rouergue
- Fixed typo in AUG - Augsburg.txt
- Rewrote the Hindustan nation decision
- You will not get the mission to colonise austrialia if you dont have it.
- Some trading missions now check for trade range.
- Plsen no longer gets a weird population spike in its history file.
- Discover mission will no longer appear repeatedly for countries with quest but no port.
- Fixed "Provincial Taxation System" decision
- Tweaked event 746 (province defects) for hordes
- Twekaed "dissolution_of_the_monasteries" decision
- Removed shogun bonus when JAP is united
- Fixed text in Widespread opposition event.
- Fixed text in legitimacy questioned event.
- A new event to let countries that discovers Japan discover the province of Kyoto
- Rewrote the events for unlawful provinces. The Emperor now returns it to the previous owner unless he has a core or it being a neighbour province and the emperor has low badboy
- Flags set in history files for Pisa and Siena to avoid the unlawful territory event
- Fixed bug in Braveheart event
- Fixed a few minor database errors.
- Event 716 should only fire when aristocratic
- Removed Shipyard from Naval tech 24
- Removed royal palace from gov tech 35

################################################## ##################
# Stability & Performance
################################################## ##################
- Optimized render code
- Tweaked view distances for better performance
- Clicking the save game tab no longer takes forever if you've got a couple of saves
- Enforced only 1 achievement available of each type in the savegame.
- fixed crashbug when shift + right clicking on the before dragboxing / clicking on land
- fixed Game crashes when attacking the enemy fleet.
- fixed exit crash in history database
- fixed the crashbug when starting with a country that has had a province name changed in its history.
- fixed a crashbug with resigning and reloading savegames with heirs that have become monarchs.
- Becoming another country will not crash the game if you have trade rights.

################################################## ##################
# Bugfixes
################################################## ##################
- Inland sea now works properly again.
- Revokable reforms status is now saved in savegames.
- Trade access from gold is no longer causing weird modifier displays.
- Fixed a few issues with governments being set wrongly for newly formed countries.
- Fixed a bug which could cause lesser union partners to steal the leader sometimes at reload.
- Natives at Hokkaido & St.Barthelemy are now properly attackable.
- Empty_province mission scope will now ignore wastelands.
- Fixed daimyo peace score bugs
- Fixed load bug in shogunate
- fixed Manufactory GFX vanish after reload
- fixed Icons linger on the map when centres of trade are destroyed.
- fixed When a unique building vanishes you need to reload to build another one
- fixed The Shogun does not appear to lead alliances when dealing with minors.
- fixed Naval Movement arrow goes wild.
- fixed Impossible to become a shogun.
- fixed Conquests does not give prestige
- fixed One sided infamy in the peace UI
- fixed Declaring war on Daimyos when at war with foreign nations.
- fixed Don't allow DOWs in JAP when your have troops on their land
- fixed Daimyo WS modifier not factored on peace screen
- fixed Stability hits when called to arms.
- fixed Invisible, invincible army acts as a fleet and blockades some ports.
- fixed Icons don't expire
- fixed Prestige gains rounding.
- fixed Yearly prestige decay is not working properly.
- fixed Invisible unit
- fixed Title: Nationalism not working properly now works on your cores
- fixed Japanese straits, naval control and military access.
- Added a missing "a" to building tooltip.
- Fixed a couple of typos in building tooltips.
I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)

Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD

[TinCow]

There is a new EU3 DW patch which fixes a lot of the Holy Roman Empire and casading alliance stuff.
Filefront Mirror (http://www.filefront.com/17884680/Feb2nd_2011.zip)

I mirror'd it on filefront simply because the paradox link is faulty (took me 9 download attempts)

Not sure if TinCow wants us to patch up or not though. Just letting you all know. The checksum is: ZMFD

Is it save game compatible?

[Beskar]

Is it save game compatible?

According to Johann, it is. The Devs MP Campaign wasn't affected by the changes.

I just loaded the saved game (Cecil's) using it, and it seemed fine.

Just added the changelog to my previous post.

[TinCow]

Thanks, I will use the patch then.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

- Clicking the save game tab no longer takes forever if you've got a couple of saves

Haha YES!

[pevergreen]

Cool, new patch

[TinCow]

Wasn't able to finish my reign last night, sorry. I should be able to finish it tonight though. I added another 5 corps to the army and it's really just a question of taking as much as we can within BB limits. It's very, very annoying to not only have the HRE still around at this point, but to also be Emperor (which prevents me from dissolving it myself). Conquest would be a lot easier without all the HRE penalties to infamy. Integration of Burgundy would even be feasible under those circumstances, but it's impossible as long as the HRE remains.

[Cecil XIX]

Don't the HRE infamy penalties only apply to HRE provinces without cores?

[TinCow]

Don't the HRE infamy penalties only apply to HRE provinces without cores?

Yes, but as Emperor I can't remove those provinces from the Empire because I can't leave the Empire. That's not a big deal if you're just taking over a few non-core provinces, but at some point Burgundy joined the HRE. I don't even want to imagine how much of an infamy penalty we would get from integrating them, that would be something like 40+ non-core HRE provinces. Of course, absorbing Burgundy isn't necessary at all, but you guys have made Germany such a beast that it would have been awesome to try and take over all of France with them as well. I've had to settle for oppressing the assorted minors and slapping around the Balkan states. :laugh4:

[Vladimir]

Do it. By sheer luck in one game as Milan (Italy) I inherited France. Spain didn't like it but at that point it became a unify Europe game.

[TinCow]

Do it. By sheer luck in one game as Milan (Italy) I inherited France. Spain didn't like it but at that point it became a unify Europe game.

Doing it with the HRE still intact will result in the total collapse of the faction. This isn't EU3 vanilla, there's a lot more to worry about now than BB wars when you go over the infamy limit. The BB wars we could easily handle, but the events themselves are the real problem. I tested it just to see what the final numbers would be, and integration would result in something like +5.5 infamy per year due to non-core HRE territories. There is no way to increase our infamy reduction beyond about -2.5 per year (and that's with a good Diplo leader), so integrating Burgundy would result in over +3 infamy per year for 50 years until the territories cored. Integration also adds about 50ish infamy instantly simply due to the number of territories, which puts us over the badboy limit even from 0. Add +150 infamy over 50 years to the starting 50ish infamy, and we wind up with about 200 infamy to burn when the provinces core 50 years later. At a bit over 2 infamy per year deterioration, it would take about 80 more years beyond the first 50 just to get back under the BB limit. So, we'd have to survive with the constant barrage of BB limit events for about 130 years, and that's assuming we don't get ANY more BB during that entire time. I personally do not think that could be done, nor would I want to spend my reign dealing with it even if it could.

Now... if a later player wants to dissolve the HRE, then it's a completely different story. In that scenario, you'd only have to deal with a few years over the BB limit if you let it drop to 0 before you integrated. That's easily survivable.

[TinCow]

Ok, finished. Died in 1748 after a very long reign. My only serious enemy was the badboy limit , which I was constantly dancing close to the line on (our standing army is currently 500,000 strong). The events are pretty minimal. Generally grabbed as many provinces as I could for as little infamy as I could, but additions weren't that huge due to the need to constantly draw down infamy, even with constant 5-6 star diplomats. Couldn't be bothered to reduce Denmark to a OPM to annex it, so it is now part of a Personal Union along with Burgundy. I did my best to get rid of all the little 'holes' in our territory, though a few more opened up as I expanded. We are making progress towards having Protestantism be the only Christian religion. There are only 7 Orthodox provinces left in the world and no Orthodox nations. There are about 17 Reformed provinces left, and only 3 Reformed nations, two of them OPMs. I also switched to Constitutional Monarchy for no particular reason whatsoever. Was tempted to go back to Despotic Monarchy for the infamy limit increase, but decided not to be so regressive.

I also intentionally let relations lapse with the Electors, so we are no longer the Holy Roman Emperor. The Emperor is now Austria, who we are conveniently at war with (Note: there is current a fleet with an army on board sailing to South America to fight Austria. It is in the Med near Tunisia.) If the next player feels like a bit of creative warmongering, it would now theoretically be possible to dissolve the HRE and integrate Burgundy. That will still bump us way over the BB limit for a while, but I think it would be survivable if we were at 0 BB when it was done. It would also look really, really awesome.

A final note, I left the idea slot I got open because I didn't feel like I really needed any of the ideas. So, I let it sit since we're closing in on the tech level 53 ideas. Feel free to do whatever you want with the open slot. I also have not upgraded the fleets to the latest ships, as the Two Deckers have been doing a perfectly fine job and I was too lazy to click that many times.

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/eu3game2011-02-0319-41-32-53.jpg

Current Map of Europe:
https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/EU3/eu3game2011-02-0319-42-23-54.jpg

http://www.filefront.com/17890816/Germany1748_02_19.zip

[pevergreen]

My turn done.

About Burgundy: Their provicnes aren't in the empire...

A cool thing that Happened:
https://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5434/eu31w.jpg

What did I do during my reign? Build some stuff. I didn't see the point of the war against Austria, we don't want overseas provinces.

I also may have forced a Personal Union with Norway, Castille and Byzantium, and the war to force a PU with Great Britain is nearly won.
https://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6609/eu32k.jpg


Save: http://www.filefront.com/17891619/peverermy.rar
https://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8985/eu3mapger1758521.jpg

[miotas]

Franz I Stefan April 1758 - April 1790

1765- Franz determines that the Holy Roman Emperor is the most disruptive force to the German nation and declares his intention to disband it permenantly.

1768- Austrian Emperor dies. Emperor Franz I Stefan is crowned.

1769- Franz declares the Holy Roman Empire to be the greatest institution in the world and sets out to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/Germany.jpg

1770- The member states of the Holy Roman Empire in a free and fair vote unite under German leadership to form the true realisation of the Holy Roman Empire

1784- After a period of building up forces, subduing rebels and minor border conflicts, Franz determines he must prove how holy the Empire is and embarks on a crusade to retake the holy lands.

1785- Much territory is taken around the holy lands, but the coveted Judea remains in the hands of heretics.

1789- A second crusade is unleashed, this time no one but the Emperor's armies are allowed to touch holy soil, Franz hopes this will please God and allow them victory.

1790- The unworthiness of the Empire's pituful allies is proven. The Holy Land is in the hands of it's rightful owners!

Having proven his worth in this life, Franz peacfully passes into the next.

https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/HREend.jpg
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/HREEurope.jpg
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/Succession/HREnorthamerica.jpg

http://www.filefront.com/17893289/Holy_Roman Empire1790_04_18.rar

[TinCow]

Whoa! I didn't even realize it was possible to make an HRE nation, how do you get that decision?

Very, very impressive. Now we must integrate Castile and Great Britain. :evil:

[Beskar]

You go through the HRE events to do it. That was the plan when I made Germany the Emperor.

[TinCow]

You go through the HRE events to do it. That was the plan when I made Germany the Emperor.

Heh, two years of playing EU3 and I've never advanced that far down the HRE event chain. Guess that's proof of how I tend to handle the HRE. :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Heh, two years of playing EU3 and I've never advanced that far down the HRE event chain. Guess that's proof of how I tend to handle the HRE. :laugh4:

:laugh4:

It tends to be a "I win" button. You can get to that stage incredibly fast with some luck.

[Secura]

Still cracking on with the save, currently in 1811 or so, will probably have a writeup of some form up by tomorrow.

I don't like the 'integrate' mechanic whatsoever; aside of the fact that Castille turned it down repeatedly at first, once I finally coerced them I found that I went from 0 infamy to 53 or so, causing everyone to start spamming the HRE with spies... had no choice but to release Castille as a vassal, keeping their colonies for myself and reducing my infamy down to 12-ish as a result.

The worst part is that we cannot integrate Great Britain until 1851, well after the game ends; I didn't know integrate worked like that. >.<

[TinCow]

The worst part is that we cannot integrate Great Britain until 1851, well after the game ends; I didn't know integrate worked like that. >.<

IIRC, it's one diplo-annex every 10 years and one integration every 50 years.

[Secura]

Well, the game's ended now, here's a summary of everything I got up to:

- heir died in a hunting accident I think, the royal line was assured a few years later with a new one.

- went to war with Alencon after they wouldn't stop sponsoring rebels, defeated them and left them broke with territorial claims revoked... they still carried on once they mustered enough ducats, so a second war was started and they were swiftly annexed.

- integrated Castille and her colonies, but the infamy received was immense and led to more spy activity, had little choice but to release Castille as a vassal and retain the overseas provinces for the HRE, though sold two of their Indian provinces and released another two as vassals, too much hassle.

- fought Finland over espionage issues too, defeated them and had them remove core claims, was able to vassalise one of their allies, Columbia.

- went to war with Brittany for Liberation purposes after Austria had taken all-but-one of her overseas provinces, managed to have them release Normandy, cede their final colony to me and revoke cores. Then declared war on Normandy and annexed before they could muster any alliances.

- hired a Statesman to activate the HRE decision for 'Formalising the Separation of Powers', as well as setting up the East Indian Trading Company, though this dissolved when I disposed of our Indian territories.

- squashed around nine thousand and one rebellions across the empire, in addition to a few pirate blockades... very annoying. Several random events didn't help stability most of the time, had to build lots of churches to help.

- increased all techs to 69-ish, added Liberté, égalité, fraternité and Bill of Rights as final two ideas to try to help with rebels, added the Napoleonic Square as our preferred infantry unit type.

Game save here, saved mid-December 1820. (http://www.filefront.com/17909905/HRE.eu3)

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3_MAP_HRE_18201211_1.jpg
https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/EU3_MAP_HRE_18201211_2.jpg

[TinCow]

Well done! A very impressive game, all-round. The final state has us essentially owning or controlling all of Europe, half of North America, and a lot of scattered colonies elsewhere.

Is anyone interested in another game? We could just continue with the same play order, so Beskar would get the first reign of whatever we picked.

[TriforceV]

Would anyone be interested in a maybe doing the Shogun? also maybe we should have a fixed time instead of reign?

[Beskar]

Is anyone interested in another game? We could just continue with the same play order, so Beskar would get the first reign of whatever we picked.

Apologises, I have to pass. I got work the next few days so it is not best timed for me, so put me at the back of the queue. I will allow the person after me (Alexander the Pretty Good, I think it is) to go first.

I will PM him.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I'm willing to start a game as one of the Japanese daimyo but I don't think I'll have time until the weekend. If someone else wants to get us underway that might be better.