View Full Version : HOTSEAT - Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)
Nightbringer
06-28-2011, 00:15
Actually I don't think that rule is in place in this game...
it is actually, it is on the rules page.
phonicsmonkey
06-28-2011, 00:30
it is actually, it is on the rules page.
Erm...good! Carry on then.
:embarassed:
Nightbringer
06-28-2011, 00:33
also, I couldn't move anyway! :)
wales up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9195
Ignoramus
06-29-2011, 09:01
How the mighty are fallen!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9207
phonicsmonkey
06-29-2011, 10:46
How the mighty are fallen!
Which ones?
Llywelyn of Wales, easily the best general in this Hotseat since Turn 1. He is about to get his head chopped off next turn though!
Nightbringer
06-29-2011, 22:19
perhaps, or perhaps King John will receive the same first...
Norway finds itself in an unfortunate position. They had hoped that the war that had engulfed the Isles might burn itself out, eventually leading to a return to the status quo. Now it seems even the death of the resolute and skillful Llywelyn will bring no end to the conflict, as Ireland takes even bigger bites out of the Kingdom of England. To this end we have been forced to end our neutrality and declare war on the Gaels, a state that will continue until a balance has been regained in the region, or Norse might has been exhausted.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9225
Nightbringer
07-02-2011, 05:08
So Norway takes on our same position, but attacks us. If you truly see england as needing aid you are mistaken. Ireland only continues to intervene so that Wales may not be exterminated.
Ireland is next. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9235) Llywelyn is dead! All of England rejoices as Henry and Edward's vengeful spirits are finally at rest with this triumph of justice! Now has come the final moment for King John to fulfill his father's last will, that Wales be forever wiped off the maps of Europe.
Ireland is now signing its own death sentence, with one army supporting King Brian's treachery and another one wandering the seas near Southern England. Some troops are garrisoning York as well - overall at least 60% of Ireland's troops are assigned on a pointless suicide mission in England, which will leave their home country exposed. But don't let my words stop you from trying to push into England proper - we are known for our hospitality!
Nightbringer
07-03-2011, 22:25
Irelands only wish is that England will agree to a peace treaty with wales. This war has gone no for far too long. Statements such as the one you made are what brought Ireland into this war, they will not bring us out of it.
No. Wales is doomed and you only doom Ireland as well by meddling in this war and our just right to end the Welsh threat. Let us not deceive one another - you entered the war when Wales convinced you you can grab some English land without fear of retribution. But now you shall reap what you have sewn.
Nightbringer
07-04-2011, 00:38
1452
it is clear you are simply a warmonger who cannot stand the thought of peace.
wales up!
Ignoramus
07-05-2011, 03:15
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9244
England
The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9253
phonicsmonkey
07-07-2011, 08:11
England
The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.
If history is any guide you may be waiting a very long time...
I know, that's how my family ended up in the U.S. ~;p
I'm torn between joy at the thought of Ireland take over large swathes of England and the fact that it's an ally they're attacking (not to mention the problems that would ensue if they beat England). :clown:
If history is any guide you may be waiting a very long time...
Beat England? What? :D
Edit:
News: Patraic of Waterford (the general who was besieging Nottingham) has been defeated and cannot move next turn. He retreated into a stone fort which makes it OK for me to attack him whenever I please however.
King Brian has suffered his second defeat at the hands of King John. So far his loss record on English soil remains a firm 100%. He also cannot move next turn and I hope that in a few turns his head will also be able to freely roam the land without being held back... by his body.
There is also a pathetic "full army" conscripted of dirt farmers and Irish sheepherders, that has foolishly landed near Launceston. They face complete annihilation at the hands of England's fine professional armies.
In the West Wales has abandoned Norwich which we have gladly retaken. It is an important maritime trade center on the West coast. Wales huddles and hides it's last scraps of an army near Lincoln, and will be dealt with swiftly.
A minor loss - Cardiff has been reported to be stormed by the last remnants of the Welsh Eastern army. Half is in the city, the other half was slowed down in the fields to the North, no doubt because they found a flock of sheep to... play with. They will be put to the sword soon.
King John is pleased and wishes all the best to Brian's wife. He is also on the way to meet King Llywelyn's widow, as he had promised so long ago.
Ireland is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9255)
Nightbringer
07-07-2011, 22:54
England
The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9253
Ireland is quite ready to discuss peace. We simply require that England also consent to peace with Wales. We will not see the English commit genocide upon a proud people. I propose that peace can be made by as such.
Norway shall hand Downpatrik and Derry back to the Kingdom of Ireland.
Ireland will turn Dumfries over to Norway, as it lies within the former territory of Scotland.
Ireland shall hand York back to England. Newcastle will then be returned as well after 5 years of peace.
Wales shall hand Lincoln back to England.
England shall hand Cardiff back to Wales.
All nations shall end their wars and return to a state of peace. Ireland shall start no further wars, but will support any nation that is attacked in the future.
What say you?
Talks of peace are pointless, and you make bold demands for one who will soon be gutted like a boar. Instead of such fairy-tails, allow me to propose you the only conditions that make sense:
1. Wales is destroyed and you do not mention them again.
2. You disband all of your armies, save for two units of milita per city for garrisoning purposes.
3. You disband all of your fleets.
4. King Brian submits to justice for his betrayal and backstabbing attack versus England.
5. Ireland returns all English settlements to England.
6. All Irish castles are granted to Norway for overseeing and to prevent further armies and backstabbing.
7. Norway keeps what it has conquered until now.
8. We place agents in your remaining cities to ensure that they are not converted to castles and that you do not build a single ship.
9. You agree to trade with England and Norway.
Nightbringer
07-08-2011, 04:13
Nonsense, it is clear you are bloodthirsty tyrant. We can add Newcastle to the settlements to go to england immediately, and Lancaster at some later point, further than that, and you are making absurd demands.
Our demands are just. So we will just take what is rightfully ours. See you on the battlefield, Brian King!
Ignoramus
07-08-2011, 12:45
The Welsh representative speaks up.
"It is quite clear that John of England has no honour in this matter. First of all he called for the death of Llywelyn. He is dead, we have offered peace in good faith and he demands our destruction.
So you can see, King Haakon, that sadly there is no hope of peace in this matter. If you truly desire peace, threaten to withdraw militarily support from John until he is willing to offer peace, even if it is to the disadvantage, rather than the destruction, of our people."
phonicsmonkey
07-08-2011, 14:22
Igno you have a lot of arcade badges!
Nightbringer
07-08-2011, 23:46
I agree completely with the Welsh diplomat. England has refused our every offer of peace. Seeing as you have stated peace as your desire, the best way to create it is if Norway threatens to remove its support from england. Perhaps then they will see fit to accept these very reasonable terms of peace.
"We demanded Llywelyn's submittance to our justice. His answer was quite snide and full of spite. He even sent us a message stating "you cannot hope to catch me now.", and demanded provinces. Now as the Welsh face death they have suddenly dropped all demands for lands and just want to save their hides.
We see the same situation with Ireland. They make demands now, but when we come knocking on their castle walls they will be happy just being left alive, instead of having unjust desires for lands they never had any claim to!
We say once more - Wales invaded. We offered terms which they rejected. From then on we have denounced any further attempts of diplomacy from them as simple stalling tactics to raise more troops for Llywelyn. Now that he is dead they hold no leverage and the only thing we can say is - you should have though about it when we gave you the chance.
To Ireland we can say this: submit Brian King to justice, disband your armies and gives a way to be sure you will not raise new armies and stab us in the back once more. Those who have betrayed the trust of their peers must work towards regaining it, not make absurd demands! We state now, that if we have to chase Brian around the countryside and corner him in a barn, in order to bring him to justice, Ireland will see no better treatment than Wales.
Norway and England have been allies for some time now, and Norway has raised a mighty army. Truthfully If I had been in King Haakon's shoes I would have spent this time raiding an Ireland with her skirt up, instead of talking about pointless peace. Haakon nearly bankrupted his nation to aid me in this war, and I will not ask him for peace unless he genuinely wishes for it."
Nightbringer
07-11-2011, 05:53
Then you are beyond hope. I hope you enjoy seeing the common people suffer, for that is what your love of war will cause.
wales!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9266
Ignoramus
07-11-2011, 07:57
Owen the Chancellor utters but two words, looking John squarely in the eye.
Uae uictus!
OOC: the funny thing is that IRL I love Celtic culture, I listen to Celtic music (love how Gaelec sounds) and I've read a rather thick tome on Celtic Myths and Legends :)
BTW I'll be away from today until Friday, FYI. I game with most of you in my other hotseats as well, so you can spread the word.
Ignoramus
07-12-2011, 08:44
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9269
Ah, I love the smell of burning enemy settlements in the morning.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9276
Nightbringer
07-14-2011, 20:54
So I take it despite your stated intentions of bringing peace you are as much a war monger as the english.
Only if you think the Norse King would make an Apocalyse Now reference.
If Ireland makes an immediate withdrawal from all settlements and forts in Britain and sails back to their own Isle the Norse will happily resume peace and trade with them. And I'd be wary of calling England and its allies warmongers. The English did not begin this war.
Nightbringer
07-14-2011, 21:39
I think it is impossible to say who truly started this war, but if you and England agree to the terms I stated, with my withdrawing from england entirely rather than partially, will you then return what you have taken and go to peace?
Our signing of a treaty would be contingent on England's agreement, at least presently. After the repeated refusals of the Welsh king to come to terms he will likely want better assurances they won't be in a position to attack England again.
Nightbringer
07-15-2011, 00:44
The welsh king has not refused peace treaties, the english king has.
The Norse emissary laughs.
Well, now that old king Llywelyn is dead I suppose that's accurate enough.
Ignoramus
07-15-2011, 02:01
OOC: I have at least on 5 times offered peace to Myth, demanding far less than was deserved. You've got to give him credit for hanging on, but he was the aggressor.
OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.
phonicsmonkey
07-15-2011, 02:21
Welsh rampages in English territory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJciVUY0uI
Ignoramus
07-15-2011, 02:50
OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.
Yeah, well they wanted me to give up Caernarfon and be reduced to 2 provinces...
You wanted to be granted Caernavernon (which I conquered after your initial invasion) AND you wanted to keep Glocuester and a couple of other English territories you had taken. Those are hardly great terms for me especially since it was clear that England can win a slugfest if it survives the initial Welsh blitzkrieg. I knew your free troops would run out of steam sooner or later, so I did not accept sub-par offers for peace that would just let Llywelyn create a monster full stack and become very costly to beat (if at all).
Ignoramus
07-16-2011, 14:24
Wrong, but I won't argue.
Defeated the Irish stack and that one Welsh unit that were besieging my latest re-conquest. They cannot move next turn. Also a reminder that boats can't be attacked in ports. I lured Wales away so it can't reinforce the stone fort North of Nottingham, and now that Irish army there is doomed. Next turn, some more heads will roll!
Ireland up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9283)
Nightbringer
07-17-2011, 07:38
wales!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9288
Ignoramus
07-18-2011, 02:19
Norway!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9293
BTW, the numbering system has gone all over the place - last turn it skipped from 24 to 26.
We may need to replay the last turn.
- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.
One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.
Nightbringer
07-19-2011, 01:49
We may need to replay the last turn.
- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.
One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.
Oh, ya, your right, I did that.
I completely forgot about this as I've been fighting people that go before me so far. I'll replay my turn ASP
Nightbringer
07-19-2011, 05:47
Here is a new save in which I was not a dirty cheater.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9298
I'm really sorry about the delay in the game, and understand if there are further penalties placed upon me for my carelessness. After all, things can't get THAT much worse than they already are for me, so might as well take my licks soner rather than later. :)
it's an honest oversight I'd be against actual punishment. I did the same thing in the beginning and Ignoramus reminded me, I did not get penalized.
Punishment? The only reason I haven't done something similar on accident is that I haven't gotten the chance. I'm just lucky I'm last in the turn order, or I'd likely have messed up the "can't move your defeated army on your next turn" rule. :clown:
I'm going to pm Ignoramus. We're pretty far from the ole "most turns take about a day until Zim, who takes the entirety of his two days" trend of most of the game...
Nightbringer, as you retake those settlements in Ireland could you let me know if any buildings turn up missing, especially if you occupy rather than sack them? I'm curious how common it is for buildings to be destroyed without a double sack. I'd have sworn that one settlement in the northeast of Ireland had a port before I sacked it, and that didn't even involve it changing hands with damaged buildings.
I left him a message on his wall, Igno seems to be MIA at the moment. Perhaps he is on vacation? if worst comes to worst, Phonics can sub him.
Nightbringer
07-23-2011, 20:50
Punishment? The only reason I haven't done something similar on accident is that I haven't gotten the chance. I'm just lucky I'm last in the turn order, or I'd likely have messed up the "can't move your defeated army on your next turn" rule. :clown:
I'm going to pm Ignoramus. We're pretty far from the ole "most turns take about a day until Zim, who takes the entirety of his two days" trend of most of the game...
Nightbringer, as you retake those settlements in Ireland could you let me know if any buildings turn up missing, especially if you occupy rather than sack them? I'm curious how common it is for buildings to be destroyed without a double sack. I'd have sworn that one settlement in the northeast of Ireland had a port before I sacked it, and that didn't even involve it changing hands with damaged buildings.
It most certainly did have a port, a tier two one. I built half my fleet there.
It seems like things just randomly disappear.
Ignoramus
07-25-2011, 12:06
Sorry guys for my absence - been really busy lately. Doing turn now.
Ignoramus
07-25-2011, 13:23
Norway again!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9323
Our good friend England is up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9333
1. By some sheer luck we sunk Wales's entire fleet of 3 ships and all of the troops aboard. They have one army in Cardiff and a small garrison in Caernavernon. Death shall soon come for them.
2. King Brian has been defeated in battle yet again, alongside the force he had rushed ahead of. He now has an impressive record of 4 losses out of 4 battles on English soil. (And he can't move next turn)
3. The Irish army that had been trapped in the stone fort North of Nottingham has been put to the sword.
Ireland up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9338)
Ignoramus
07-29-2011, 00:50
1. By some sheer luck we sunk Wales's entire fleet of 3 ships and all of the troops aboard. They have one army in Cardiff and a small garrison in Caernavernon. Death shall soon come for them.
2. King Brian has been defeated in battle yet again, alongside the force he had rushed ahead of. He now has an impressive record of 4 losses out of 4 battles on English soil. (And he can't move next turn)
3. The Irish army that had been trapped in the stone fort North of Nottingham has been put to the sword.
Ireland up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9338)
Did you allow a free square so they could retreat?
I attacked with all three ships in one stack and was rather surprised yours did not retreat. They should have had room to retreat even if they were right next to the coast (which they weren't from memory). I also got a clear victory when I think the types of ships are the same, and the numbers are the same...
Nightbringer
07-29-2011, 06:05
Perhaps now, without the idiotic blathering of the former King John, the English and their more noble but clearly deluded allies will see fit to sign a peace treaty?
:evilgrin:
wales up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9344
That's what I get for doing so much overtime. I hadnt' noticed how long it had been. I'll send Ignoramus a pm and move the turn tomorrow if needed.
Ignoramus
08-06-2011, 13:41
Very sorry. Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9373
I don't trust those tricksy Irish.
Also, it's so lonely around the fields (and castle) of Athenry.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9379
The Irish have managed to assassinate king John, who was a mighty champion of England and her peoples. We shall mourn him, even as King Simon takes the crown and the cause of his benefactor. The Celts shall soon feel that English steel does not dull so easily.
The first lesson was delivered by the new Prince, who defeated the Welsh King as he had assembled yet another force of raiders. (Welsh stack that was besieging the stone fort can't move next turn)
A brave group of local farmers and other serfs took sight of an Irish siege weapon and torched it. Their able bodied leader has been raised into the nobility for his bravery! (Irish catapult defeated by a unit of peasants who were sent out to scout. I got a MOTH promotion. Naturally that catapult can't move next turn)
BTW Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9380) And can we please keep the turn order as it actually is? This is turn 26, it says so on the password screen. Somehow we went two turns into the future on our file names.
Nightbringer
08-09-2011, 08:09
wales up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9382
Ignoramus
08-10-2011, 13:56
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9383
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9386
Ireland. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9391)
No list of English victories? Must have been a slow turn. ~;p
One of my armies could not reach them in time. They run too quickly! But next turn i predict two towns lost, one gained, and two victories vs field armies :) By the way, King John died undefeated in battle. A mighty champion to be sure, and only fitting to be poisoned by the sneaky Irish.
Ignoramus
08-13-2011, 01:12
Llywelyn still takes the cake though. 4 towns/castles stormed, 1 king, 2 princes, and around 4,000 Englishmen to his credit...
:book:
Still, John was a worthy commander, if not a worthy opponent.
Nightbringer
08-13-2011, 08:49
What!?!? How dare you accuse us of assassination. It is clear that John saw how futile and wasted his life was and took it himself!
Will play the turn later, too tired for strategy right now.
Llywelyn still takes the cake though. 4 towns/castles stormed, 1 king, 2 princes, and around 4,000 Englishmen to his credit...
:book:
Still, John was a worthy commander, if not a worthy opponent.He still lost several battles though, John had not.
Nightbringer
08-14-2011, 02:58
Another English general has given up the fight and taken his own life, what a tragedy.
I also captured an english castle in the south and castletown from Norway.
Wales up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9395
Knew I should have had an rule about assasins and family members. ~:beam:
I wonder if any buildings disappeared with Castletown's capture. It's certainly happened with a few settlements I've taken. Obviously damaged buildings and a double capture are not neccessary.
Nightbringer
08-14-2011, 04:10
The great thing is it is just one very lucky assassin with moderate skil. :)
As to castletown, I can certainly turn it over to you in exchange for peace and the Irish settlements you took from me.
Given that I'd landed two armies next to Castletown, either of which was superior to the one that took the settlement (which I'm assuming fled by sea anyway) I think I'll take my chances recapturing it.
Nightbringer
08-15-2011, 00:42
Given that I'd landed two armies next to Castletown, either of which was superior to the one that took the settlement (which I'm assuming fled by sea anyway) I think I'll take my chances recapturing it.
Mmm, Wales will surely crush you.
Your overconfidence is your weakness. Wales will surely crush you. :)
Overconfidence? All a facade. I'm just hoping when my turn comes no more than one of those armies has vanished due to inability to retreat (while either of them should have been able to stand up to the Irish army, I've learned the danger in hotseats of counting on what "should" happen). :laugh4:
Nightbringer
08-15-2011, 03:36
Nah, they are still both there, I am just hoping my devious plan of deviousness works out. It probably wont...
I think Wales has enough on his plate in trying to somehow take me on. And when I klll that army of yours in Southern England, Wales will have my undivided attention.
Ignoramus
08-16-2011, 00:16
I think Wales has enough on his plate in trying to somehow take me on. And when I klll that army of yours in Southern England, Wales will have my undivided attention.
It's nice to feel loved.
:clown:
Ignoramus
08-18-2011, 01:31
Sorry guys, had done the save yesterday but forgot to upload save:
Norway!!!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9411
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9415
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9419) The army North of Shaftsbury has been smashed. One castle liberated from Welsh rule. Two more to follow next turn.
The Irish are running like little girls.
Nightbringer
08-20-2011, 00:44
Are we really? Then why was Prince Rufus and his army, as well as the detached army besieging Shaftsbury, defeated? And why were two english ships sunk?
Also, a small Norwiegan army was defeated and Athenry was retaken.
Wales up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9421
phonicsmonkey
08-20-2011, 00:58
Are we really? Then why was Prince Rufus and his army, as well as the detached army besieging Shaftsbury, defeated? And why were two english ships sunk?
Also, a small Norwiegan army was defeated and Athenry was retaken
When little girls attack..
Ignoramus
08-20-2011, 13:34
When little girls attack..
...the Welsh repulse them.
King Simon and the entire army in that fort east of Shrewsbury can't move next turn(or sally).
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9427
phonicsmonkey
08-20-2011, 14:02
King Simon
Rly?
Ignoramus
08-21-2011, 23:14
Rly?
Not de Montfort - the current English king's name is Simon.
phonicsmonkey
08-22-2011, 00:13
Not de Montfort - the current English king's name is Simon.
Yeah I get that, it's just quite ahistoric to have an English King called Simon. Doesn't seem right somehow....George, Edward, Charles, James, Henry, John, Richard no problem. Simon, not so much...
Oh derp, I forgot I had to sub Zim. Phonics can you send me the PW for this account?
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9442)
News from Norway: That preliminary sieging force from Ireland that was trying to liberate the Westernmost town with the Trebuchet inside it has been defeated, it can't move this turn.
News from England: "BWAHAHAH! Wales takes pried in beating England back yet we see King Brian's tattered host limping behind your heels. You outnumbered us three to one and had your day. Step closer towards Nottingham to see how things go for thou and thine!"
"Brian! Your head will roll in the soil of great England! And that "army" to the South best make haste to the shorelines else it will be butchered to the last man!"
Nightbringer
08-24-2011, 21:25
Not much to report this turn.
wales up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9446
Ignoramus
08-25-2011, 11:37
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9449
Norway!!!!
I'm on it when i get home.
Ireland. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9451)
Newcastle-upon-tyne taken.
King Deykin is a weak general and has been soundly defeated. He cannot move next turn.
York retaken.
Two Irish settlements under siege. One has that pesky Southern stack that has dwindled to half strength. Once it has been dealt with the only Irish presence on English soil will be Brian's stack. But he won't be able to reinforce..
On the other hand, Wales is soon to be either bankrupt or without an army - that mostly mercenary stack packs a good initial punch but soon loses to more cost-effective and better trained troops raised at a castle.
Naturally since I was sitting Zim I have ignored Wales's please for peace. I won't speak on his behalf but I'm pretty sure he'll not agree to peace atm. England refuses peace and will fight for victory.
Nightbringer
08-27-2011, 09:35
wales up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9457
Ignoramus
08-28-2011, 23:08
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9461
BTW, is Zim back yet? I'm a little apprehensive about having the two strongest factions being controlled by the same player?
I'm back. I'll get to this within the day. :bow:
Norway!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9461
BTW, is Zim back yet? I'm a little apprehensive about having the two strongest factions being controlled by the same player?
Oh come on, what's the worst thing that could possibly happen :devil:
England is up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9466
Ignoramus
08-31-2011, 13:30
I will be away from tomorrow until Monday morning.
Irish army slaughtered and Shaftsbury recaptured.
King Brian's ambush was unsuccessful and he was defeated yet again. He can't move next turn.
Small Irish unit that was heading East of Shaftsbury has been discovered and killed.
Welsh siege of the stone fort north of Gloucester lifted, those units can't move next turn.
Lincoln besieged.
Ireland's forces on the mainland have dwindled, and Wales's only remaining army of note is with their King. He can head either towards Nottingham or Gloucester. In both paths he will face defeat and hopefully death.
Annoying Irish assassins have been killing off my merchants with success. I think that King Brian will have to be drowned in a cess pit for his crimes.
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9472)
Nightbringer
09-05-2011, 00:26
sorry for the delay, I have been helping make a drainage system in my yard which has kind of monopolized my time of late/
wales up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9488
Ignoramus
09-05-2011, 12:45
Norway!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9490
Prince Domnall has been defeated and his army can't move next turn.
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9495
King Deykin can't move next turn, he has been defeated. Lancaster retaken. Chester under siege.
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9496)
Thanatos Eclipse
09-07-2011, 23:15
When's England and Norway going to fight? That's what I'm waiting for :clown:
We'll be ending this with an allied victory, Zim and I discussed this prior to me subbing him for two turns. I could spawn the BA just to see what they get (and slaughter them subsequently). Me and Zim can also make a mini tournament where we send our best general with the best troops to face one another. But that's just for fun, plus I'm sure I'd have an advantage in such a setup :D
Stupid armoured swordsmen...
phonicsmonkey
09-08-2011, 01:03
you could settle things with a MP battle and post the video here for us all to watch
Can't friends just conquer a couple islands together from the evil Irish? :clown:
P.S. Lousy Irish (says the guy whose last name actually appears in the Irish family tree in Kingdoms sometimes)
P.P.S. I'm happy with ending it either way (MP fight or Norway and Enland as bestest buds). Although I'd note the game is far from over.
MP battles are a hassle. Also, England with Retinue Longbowmen, Armoured Swordsmen, Heavy Bills and now access to gunpowder will stomp Norway's roster.
United victory sounds best.
Nightbringer
09-09-2011, 09:15
You're right, Ireland/Wales united victory sounds great!
1 Norwegian stack wiped out, and 1 english merchant dead.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9500
Isn't that assasin going to finally die in an attempt or something? Or must I make my own?
Ignoramus
09-09-2011, 09:50
Don't count on it. My useless assassin keeps attempting 5% targets and always fails - and lives.
Nightbringer
09-09-2011, 10:03
That assassin is the hero of this game for me. He has killed an unbelievable amount.
I think he'll be the villain of the war in future English textbooks. ~;p
So England will join the Assassin wars then. We will make a legion of them and send them to haunt your dreams in the dead of night.
Ignoramus
09-09-2011, 10:56
There's not much you can assassinate of Wales. Kill the king, we keep on fighting...
phonicsmonkey
09-09-2011, 11:04
That assassin is the hero of this game for me. He has killed an unbelievable amount.
Sounds like there's a story in that..
We can assassinate all your nobility to allow the peons to rise up in rebellion!
Ignoramus
09-11-2011, 22:56
Norway!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9508
The Irish general Kennedy was defeated in a mighty battle, as was Domnall, who came in as reinforcements (and quite scared me when I saw him, he wasn't visible from the tile my army was on in the campaign map).
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9513
Ireland up.
(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9514)
The welsh ship has been defeated and can't move next turn.
Chester liberated.
Wales has somehow managed to scrape together one and a half full armies, complete with catapults. King Brian and the broken remains of his armies are seen near the English-Welsh border. Perhaps the celts will indulge us with yet more suicidal attacks against England's sturdy walls and valiant knights? Best move now, because in two season's time we will roll down like an avalanche of steel and death.
Nightbringer
09-13-2011, 21:21
The Irish general Kennedy was defeated in a mighty battle, as was Domnall, who came in as reinforcements (and quite scared me when I saw him, he wasn't visible from the tile my army was on in the campaign map).
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9513
Well, I think that about does it for me. I had really hoped that army would be able to win a few more victories.
Nightbringer
09-13-2011, 21:27
The turn you uploaded is for last turn. :)
Nightbringer
09-14-2011, 21:21
Your's? The one Myth sent me. Wouldn't yours be for him?
I checked my save and it was made on the 13th. I also think Myth would have noticed while playing the turn if he had an older save. Maybe he uploaded a different one by mistake?
Both those defeated armies of yours should be retreated southwest back into that castle.
Ok, I uploaded all 3 of the last saves, just to the password screen (which shows, among other things, the turn number).
Mine shows turn 32, The one I sent (England's) shows 33, and the current save myth uploaded also shows turn 33.
Edit: Just had Phonics do a simple test. Last turn Ireland destroyed an army led by a general Burislev. This turn in about the same spot there should be a different fellow named Haflidhi, who defeated the Irish armies. Phonics opened the current save and looked at the coast. Haflidhi is there, the defeated and killed Burislev is not.
The Irish armies weren't completely destroyed, just about halved or so. NB could check the army numbers between this and the last save as a further test.
Nightbringer
09-15-2011, 12:10
Oh! I think I know what happened. Myth pmed a save to me which was last turn,t he one uploaded here is the correct one. I just assumed they were both links to the same file. It is too late now but I will get the save up tomorrow morning.
phonicsmonkey
09-15-2011, 12:40
Oh! I think I know what happened. Myth pmed a save to me which was last turn,t he one uploaded here is the correct one. I just assumed they were both links to the same file. It is too late now but I will get the save up tomorrow morning.
Hey don't worry about it at all, I didn't have anything better to do tonight than load up random britannia saves and check what turn they were on...:clown:
Hey don't worry about it at all, I didn't have anything better to do tonight than load up random britannia saves and check what turn they were on...:clown:
Yes but you're the admin and that's what we pay you for :D
Nightbringer
09-15-2011, 20:17
Are the armies you defeated allowed to move? I had thought you were before me in the turn order, but it is allowing them to be moved.
Also, I am pretty much ready to lay down my sword and accept defeat in this game if Ignoramus feels the same. There is absolutely no way I am going to be able to make a comeback.
I'm last in turn order so your armys' move gets a reset. They would be barred from moving per the rules, though.
Nightbringer
09-15-2011, 21:54
Wales!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9520
Ignoramus
09-17-2011, 14:54
Norway!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9522
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9526
Cardiff recaptured. We also see some Welsh peasants sniffing at our Southern holdings - they'd do well to run now before they go to meet Manaan-mac-Lir in person.
Ireland. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9530)
Nightbringer
09-21-2011, 09:42
Wales up.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9537
Ignoramus
09-22-2011, 05:46
Norway!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9539
BTW, the English fleet threatening to take Pembroke has been defeated and cannot move!!!!!
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9543
The Welsh so called "King" has been defeated by the Prince of England. He can't move next turn. We're expecting King Brian to mount yet another suicide attack versus our lines, that would amuse us greatly. Hopefully he will get himself impaled on an English spear.
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9544)
Nightbringer
09-24-2011, 09:59
Wales up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9549
Ignoramus
09-27-2011, 04:38
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9556
Norway!!!
Sorry for the delay.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9568
England
Caernavernon captured. We also did not fall for the Welsh trap where they wanted to corner the Prince with two armies. We will be back however, so the Welsh women best start washing away the stench of their pig-husbands, so that they may know what real men feel like!
King Brian, thou leaving so soon? We took the liberty of freeing some gold in the form of sailor's wages for you. You did not need that boat, did you? I mean, it is just about to become so splendid on this island you so eagerly invaded. Don't dare leave without the parting gifts we are rushing to present to you!
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9570)
Nightbringer
10-01-2011, 08:42
Wales up!
And don't worry, King Brian isn't leaving England anytime soon. :)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9572
Ignoramus
10-05-2011, 12:25
Very sorry for the delay.
Norway!!! (N.B. The name says 35, but it is the correct save: Turn 36.)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9590
England.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9593
Ireland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9595)
Looks like with your combined armies you'll be able to take Caernavernon back. Good, that stack has been draining gold from me for too long anyway.
Nightbringer
10-08-2011, 06:55
Will play my turn tomorrow, been too busy today.
Nightbringer
10-09-2011, 09:56
wales up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9599
Ignoramus
10-12-2011, 10:48
Norway!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9608
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9610
The last of the perfidious Irish's settlements in their home island have fallen.
2833
Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9611)
Good game and well played to Nightbringer!
Ignoramus
10-13-2011, 00:03
Norway-Scotland-Ireland!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9613
The end is nigh...
Crap, I messed up and accepted a general marrying my princess, when I meant to use her for diplomacy this turn. ~:doh:
Ignoramus
10-13-2011, 04:20
Crap, I messed up and accepted a general marrying my princess, when I meant to use her for diplomacy this turn. ~:doh:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatt!?? You mean you were going to accept Prince Mareddud's offer of marriage?
clown:
Zim I was hoping for some map info but we can just clear our saves and show them to the others.
We can exchange maps. I have some diplomats that can reach, assuming you don't destroy Wales this turn. ~;p
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9614
We can exchange maps. I have some diplomats that can reach, assuming you don't destroy Wales this turn. ~;p
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9614
No, wales has at least one more turn, if Ignoramus has not taken Caernavernorn. Perhaps even three if he has.
Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9616)
Both their generals have been defeated, and both of Ireland's rebel armies as well. Ignoramus has managed to sneak a FM and two units all the way to England's East coast, past the only undefended fort in the whole of the realm and is nw besieging a town! That may give Wales two more turns to live, depending on if their build points are enough for ladders.
Ignoramus
10-13-2011, 23:54
Annoying, I forgot to build siege engines the first time I besieged Caernavernorn - and by that time King Brian's army turned rebel...
Ignoramus
10-14-2011, 13:03
Norway!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9618
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9622
Pembroke captured.
Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9624)
Wow, I just realised what an awesome mod exists for the Britannia campaign. Check it out (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=467632)!
I haven't downloaded it yet but I will do so tonight and give it a try. Anyone up for a sequel? BTW read trough the changes, they are very comprehensive (no castles in the game, buildable guilds, changed relligion etc.) The only thing I wonder is whether the scripts and choosable events will work in Hotseat.
phonicsmonkey
10-18-2011, 10:22
Looks like fun!
As to the sequel, Zim and I are planning to replace each Kingdoms game as it finishes, provided there is interest.
Ignoramus
10-18-2011, 10:22
Checking it out.
Myth, you uploaded last turn's save again.
Darn it. Well I'll upload the real one tonigt. BTW that fort does not stop me from going around it. Which means that next turn I'll be sieging your last town.
I've asked in the forums whether this mod will work in HS mode, so here's to hoping.
Replacing the Crusades game (LS) will probably be best with Broken Crescent 3.0 if/when it comes out. Or with the current one, but only fought battles.
The Teutonic campaign can be replaced with another one and I really want the TO again. I will never be at peace untill I remedy my mistake and replicate Tristan's achievement of 1v5ing you guys. I'ts an ego thing.
There is a really nice compillation of submods for Stainless Steel, however it does not allow you to disable RR (which sucks for an Early campagin). Also, TATW 3.0 is expected by the end of October (unoficially) and it will feature a lot of changes, not in the least, the addition of custom settlements.
Dominion of the Sword is almost done, the mod currently sizes at 11 gb (!!!!!) and by my personal opinion will be a worthy alternative to Stainless Steel. I volinteered to help them wtih graphics/animations in After Effects or other stuff that might require a good PC (however my time is limited)
The Last Kingdom, as soon as it is polished, will be absolutely brilliant to play, so long as they fix the autocalc. I might petition for a hotseat patch for it a-la KGCM.
You know, in some bright future, when/if I have the time, I was thinking of making a .org mod specifically designed for hotseat. But that's in the realm of wishful thinking really. Though with so much stuff available from other mods (scripts, models, textures and ideas) it won't take as much work as making stuff from scratch.
On a side note, my grandfather passed away last night and I'll be away from my PC from tomorrow until Sunday, as I have things to take care of and won't be in my flat in Sofia. The "who subs me" list is still valid.
You know, in some bright future, when/if I have the time, I was thinking of making a .org mod specifically designed for hotseat. But that's in the realm of wishful thinking really. Though with so much stuff available from other mods (scripts, models, textures and ideas) it won't take as much work as making stuff from scratch.
I tried this once, with a guy from TWC. It worked well for a time, but it stopped due to unresolved issues.
The Teutonic campaign can be replaced with another one and I really want the TO again. I will never be at peace untill I remedy my mistake and replicate Tristan's achievement of 1v5ing you guys. I'ts an ego thing.
Your mistake?
Sacrificing two full stacks of Order Spearmen due to not using forts because I wanted to save 500 gold and assumed there is not enough on the other side to beat them in an AR. Once vs. Thantos and once vs. you. Thanatos at least suffered such massive casualties that I was later able to sort of push him back, but you're too rich to really feel the sting of one battle. It was also a mistake to go after Poland, though their cities are great and their income is the best in our catholic region. I should have massacred Lithuania and the Mongols, and with the income from their settlements raise enough stacks to crush Novgorod (assuming you didn't kill all their FMs like you did). A TO/HRE empire that has 70-80% of the lands on the mainland would have been a very different nut to crack for you.
In regards to the RB mod, here is the mod creator's answer:
Hotseat: At the moment Hotseat is not working properly but we are looking into that. It is likely an installer issue which will be corrected with the release of 1.7 as it will utilize a new one. Once it is up and running there is no reason the scripts will not function normally.
France: Correct, the single city in France cannot be reached because of terrain. Version 2.0 will have 2 playable French factions, however: The duchies of Normandy and Flanders.
Real save for Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9625)
Ignoramus
10-20-2011, 08:05
Norway!!!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9630
I need a short extension on this. Just need to check on something. :bow: Looks like we're just about in the last turn.
England
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9639
I hereby announce victory for the Englo-Norman alliance!
2913
Good Game to Ignoramus and thank you for the lessons (this was my very first hotseat game)
phonicsmonkey
10-26-2011, 02:01
Congratulations Myth and Zim!
I'll let Zim handle the formalities of adding this game to the completed games list.
Myth, are you interested in hosting that Britannia game we were talking about earlier?
Aye, but we must discuss whether we want to wait for Rule Britannia 1.7 to come out or use the vanilla mod. Cecil has expressed interest in Rule Britannia, and Ignoramus said he'd take a look at it too. What do the rest of you guys think? I have some concerns as to how polished the mod is - for example, Denmark has no way to survive versus England, they get wiped out on turn 2.
BTW I'm willing to share my insights as to what happened in this hotseat and how it happened and I'd appreciate it if any of my two opponents have any comments or tips that would hep me improve as a player.
Ignoramus
10-26-2011, 09:14
Sure, although some secrets I'll keep to myself... :balloon2::balloon2::balloon2:
I thought you played a pretty good game, although I was surprised that after taking Caenarfon early on you didn't go for the kill. I had no army in Wales at all then, and Llwelyn was at least 3-4 turns away.
I think my biggest mistake was heading north around turn 13 after eliminating Prince Edward and King Henry - I should have made a bee-line for Nottingham instead.
phonicsmonkey
10-26-2011, 09:15
Aye, but we must discuss whether we want to wait for Rule Britannia 1.7 to come out or use the vanilla mod.
I think we should just replace this game straight away - we can always start a Rule Britannia game as well when that comes out.
I reckon the Britannia campaign is one of the better ones for hotseats.
When I stated I had emptied all of my forts - a huge mistake in a game where we restrict anything lower than trebuchets from attacking them on turn 1! I also left cities unmanned and let you sack them, twice I beleive (Oxford was the first one) with just one FM.
I moved all of my useless spear militias with my armies, generating huge upkeep costs instead of leaving them to garrison, thus allowing me higher tax levels and instead recruiting the really good units.
I completely forgot about Night Fighter, relying on Henry's and Edward combined armies as if they were a given.
After taking Caernavernon the first time I had to save my towns that can produce uinits outright (70%+ English culture) instead of keeping that castle. Also, I didn't know how many of your reinforcements you had hidden away in the West of your lands. Your biggest mistake was indeed not blitzing straight for Nottingham and sitting there until you can recruit, while slowly eating the North (since you would have disconnected my access to the northern lands in essence). I've said several times that Nottingham is the beating heart of England in any mod I've played and it's absolutely crucial for the well being of the faction.
I also learned that Armoured Spearmen can become very strong in this mod. With an armour upgrade they match the defence of Armoured Swordsmen (at base level) while also having 30 more men per unit and a lower upkeep cost. The priority for Gloucester, Nottingham and that third castle to the south should always be blacksmith upgrades in an AR game. The autocalc engine cares about defence, health, men count and unit type in that order.
I also wasted too much money on mercenaries (crossbowmen cost 800 gold to recruit), It was only towards the later stages that I learned that cost-efficiency trumps the short term bosst of a merc unit (unless it's merc infantry with >14 defence)
However I managed to play the entire campaign without triggering the BA, though I had lost a lot of gold in the process (never letting a town go to "blue face" stage) so it's definitely something an English player has to do in this game.
Nightbringer should have contested rebel Scotland at the very least, or you guys should have gotten Zim to stay neutral or ally with you before trying to 2v1 me. Zim had been an ally since the beginning basically, and I owe him much for not tagging along to 3v1 me and actually keeping Ireland busy once Nightbringer had ferried Brian and friends over. Diplomacy basically played a crucial role here, as well as Zim's honour as an ally.
Nightbringer
10-27-2011, 06:53
Honestly, I don't think I would have been capable of putting up much competition in Scotland, I only really had a strong standing army at the point when I actually attacked you Myth, I think I could have honestly done a lot better if I stabbed iggy in the back. I could have captured a fair amount of territory from him then hopefully it would have turned into a FFA in which I could try to stay out of the way. Of course, I didn't realize your alliance with Norway was so strong, I had thought they were still neutral and I think that was my real downfall. I could have shipped many more armies to england if I hadn't been hit by them.
In any case, well played to both of you,
CONGRATULATIONS
:)
phonicsmonkey
10-27-2011, 06:55
I think I could have honestly done a lot better if I stabbed iggy in the back.
That's what I did as Ireland. Stabbed Wales and Scotland in the back and claimed a joint victory with England after we all took out the Norse.
Ignoramus
10-27-2011, 07:50
Honestly, I don't think I would have been capable of putting up much competition in Scotland, I only really had a strong standing army at the point when I actually attacked you Myth, I think I could have honestly done a lot better if I stabbed iggy in the back. I could have captured a fair amount of territory from him then hopefully it would have turned into a FFA in which I could try to stay out of the way. Of course, I didn't realize your alliance with Norway was so strong, I had thought they were still neutral and I think that was my real downfall. I could have shipped many more armies to england if I hadn't been hit by them.
In any case, well played to both of you,
CONGRATULATIONS
:)
I think you were torn by my decision not to sink your fleet with the entire army and Brian Boru on turn 3 or 4. I was pretty sure you and England had some kind of deal to stab me in the back, so I figured it was worth taking the risk to sink the English fleet instead.
Just one other comment I'd like to make, it is almost impossible to make the BA spawn in Hotseat. Sorry phonics, I tried my hardest, but even with 6 spies in an English-occupied Welsh town it wouldn't rebel.
Well-played guys! You put up a great challenge - this was my most enjoyable hotseat yet even though I lost.
As I said I went to great pains to not let the BA spawn, since they get stacks upon spawning and even If I eliminate them they can just respawn later on with new stacks. Having seen how Welsh occupied York rebelled back to England (that was luck, it not going BA instead) and spawned 8 units of separ militia I thought I must avoid this for my own newly conquered settlements and thus always left a high chiv general or a strong garrison. Though I must admit by the time I started conquering anything that had not been an English town before, the game had been pretty much decided already.
Ireland seems like a very good faction to play if the game is lead battles (awesome cav, infantry to storm cities and jav-cav and spearchuckers) and if England relinquishes the towns it holds on the Island.
On that matter, if we start another Britannia hotseat do you prefer fought battles or AR? If we have fought battles I think we should allow catapults to open stone forts (if not the actual settlements) otherwise it will become a trench war where evryone camps with their longbowmen and cav inside some stone fort and waits for the other to attack, or for gunpowder and trebuchet mercs.
Ignoramus
10-27-2011, 08:40
I didn't know the BA could spawn from non-English held provinces. Interesting...
Well I thought it can't , but there's a rebel-to-the-original-faction script. And york has a custom public order value (it's much lower than normal). Other factions can also get missions to spawn the BA by taking a settlement (so after they take it, the script fires up). I'm just assuming here though, I've not researched this thoroughly.
Myth gives me far too much credit. I dealt with England early on because they seemed natural allies against the Celtic factions. When Scotland also allied with England and the latter wouldn't pick a side I was very suspicious. Then I got lucky taking out Scotland's royal family in one go, ending what would have been a very protracted war. From there I alternately stalled and acted belligerent to try to consolidate Scotland.
I ended up going with England after a few things I had heard from Myth made me feel better about them, and intervened in the war because Ireland's initial swift progress was worrying. The large garrisons needed in Scotland due to culture penalties made it hard to have an impact and I also had to avoid the impressive navy NB had put together. I ended up settling by sending a mediumish force led by the Prince around to sack/exterminate and then abandon Irish towns ahead of his navy. I thought it was a suicide mission but the Prince not only survived but became King and marched into Dublin a couple turns ago...
Of course, I didn't realize your alliance with Norway was so strong, I had thought they were still neutral and I think that was my real downfall. I could have shipped many more armies to england if I hadn't been hit by them.
In any case, well played to both of you,
CONGRATULATIONS
:)
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