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Unvote; Vote: God Emperor
GeneralHankerchief
05-17-2011, 19:51
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
05-17-2011, 20:10
Clinton, Iowa
Day 4
After four miserable, muddy days, it seemed that a consensus was at last starting to emerge amongst the campers, although "survivors" would probably at this point be a better descriptor of their status. Instead of having votes haphazardly flung every which way, it seemed that the survivors were finally realizing the desperation of their situation and exercising greater concentration. Camps, of the metaphorical variety, were starting to form. Voting blocs emerged. When once there were nine or even ten viable candidates, now there were only three.
Of course now, the biggest problem was breaking the deadlock between the three: Chaotix, God Emperor, and Scienter. All three candidates seemed viable. All three seemed to have cases, and at the same time the arguments for each of their guilt had some holes in it. It was a combination of these factors that had voting continue for a much longer period than usual, deeper into the night. Over time, each faction seemed to gain and lose steam. Coherent arguments were being made.
It was almost as if... people were actually working together.
In the end, while this new strategy may have been good for the campers as a whole as they faced this doom, it was most certainly not good for God Emperor, who ended up as the clear "winner" after the marathon voting session. Immediately starting to twitch, God Emperor looked around every which way, closely marking the positions of all of the logs and all of the scattered fires going around the campground. At the very least, he was not going to be taken by surprise, definitely so since the sun wasn't going to go down.
Growing more and more frazzled, God Emperor started staring around even more wildly, which took all of the other campers aback as they slowly started to edge away from him. "Well?" he cried out after some minutes, a crazed look in his eye, "What's it gonna be? Have at it, then! Finish me off! I SAID FINISH ME!!!!!!"
Nobody moved.
"So what now??!" God Emperor said. "What's the matter, can't kill anybody if you can't take them by surprise? You know what, all of you are - *gack!*"
God Emperor went down to the ground, groaning and clutching his chest. It had turned out that all of this excitement was simply too much for his heart, and he literally died of fright.
Day 4 tally:
God Emperor: 6 (TheLastDays, Csargo, B_Ray, JHT, ATPG, Visorslash) :skull:
Chaotix: 2 (God Emperor, Scienter)
Scienter: 2 (Andres, khaan)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: 10
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
It is now Night 4. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.
Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
They did, actually.
I finally have an opinion. Well, getting there anyway.
Diamondeye
05-17-2011, 21:51
They did, actually.
I finally have an opinion. Well, getting there anyway.
Coherent with "Scienter is GE's scum partner"?
Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
Oh, man, I only wish I could get to be mafia with ATPG, because I know we would make it look so genuine.
Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure.
God Emperor
05-17-2011, 23:21
Oh well.. I can still haunt the thread ^_^Although you guys seem awfully sure of yourself ! :stare:
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 03:07
Oh, man, I only wish I could get to be mafia with ATPG, because I know we would make it look so genuine.
Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure.
It really would be a pleasure, sir. :bow: Maybe someday.
Man, this totally doesn't sound like WIFOM or anything like that. There's no chance either me or you will get any votes at all tomorrow. Nope.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 10:54
Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.
Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.
The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.
And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.
Vote : Chaotix
He talks too much :stare:
DE: Yaseikhaan, DE, Csargo, Reenk, TLD
Chaotix: ATPG, JHT, Visor, Andres.
Distancing tactic. DE is still in the lead.
DE (re)votes for Chaotix, Andres switches to DE, which is nonsensical from any perspective.
Your user title is a lie. Liars must die.
Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye
He never intended to vote for Chaotix. He wants to distance himself from Chaotix.
He's done it at least twice this game, to act like he wants Chaotix to die, but no.
Since when are we supposed to post only relevant posts in a mafia game?
And how is having an opinion about another player, dead or alive, irrelevant? Say X was lynched round 1. In round 6, in retrospect and after re-reading, X sounded really, really scummy and there's a relation with Y, who is still alive in the final round. The analysis of X is important then.
So, saying that expressing an opinion about a dead player is irrelevant is nonsense.
The Chaotix and DE thing; as you must have seen, I made a big post in capital letters to complain about silence being broken. Voting Chaotix, because "he talks too much", clearly builds further on that joke post. You will also have noted that my activity in that period of the game was very, very low. It should be obvious that I really didn't have a clue, so I switched to DE for no other reason than the fact that he happened to be online and said he lied.
You're trying to make a case out of nothing.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 11:27
Since when are we supposed to post only relevant posts in a mafia game?
And how is having an opinion about another player, dead or alive, irrelevant? Say X was lynched round 1. In round 6, in retrospect and after re-reading, X sounded really, really scummy and there's a relation with Y, who is still alive in the final round. The analysis of X is important then.
So, saying that expressing an opinion about a dead player is irrelevant is nonsense.
The Chaotix and DE thing; as you must have seen, I made a big post in capital letters to complain about silence being broken. Voting Chaotix, because "he talks too much", clearly builds further on that joke post. You will also have noted that my activity in that period of the game was very, very low. It should be obvious that I really didn't have a clue, so I switched to DE for no other reason than the fact that he happened to be online and said he lied.
You're trying to make a case out of nothing.
I don't think you're guilty Pizza. You are wrong about me, that doesn't make you guilty.
My vote on Arpeg was not a meatball vote, it was a random round 1 nonsense vote. Also, your reading skills are lacking. What I said is that I did not come back that round because of RL, but if I would have came back, I would have sticked to my vote, because Arpeg's posts read as scummy. I would have been mistaken as revealed by the GM.
So, you wish to find out if I'm guilty or not by lynching me? At least you could try to build a decent case. My reasoning for voting Romanic is much more solid. He's assumption that all people who voted 'khaan are innocent doesn't make sense. Also, why is CDF your second suspect? Or is it too much to ask to post your case against him and will finding out by lynching him satify you?
I for one am not going to sit idle by while you lead the town to its' doom with that sort of strategy. I urge all people who bother to play to vote Romanic.
In the second quote, you're guilty. You're also very serious. And, you're serious for basically the first time in that game.
It's not unusual for a mafioso to vote his scumbuddy. In fact, in a game where roles are revealed upon death, it's not a bad idea at all.
Gosh, why does that sound like the exact reasoning you just used on me "and Chaotix"?
And it turns out, in that game, you and Beskar stood apart from one another and accused each other too.
You're behaving exactly like you did in another game where you were scum. Same tactics. Same behavioral tics. Same reactions to pressure.
Suddenly Serious Andres is Suddenly Very Guilty.
Reference: Pick your power (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128900-Pick-your-power-Concluded)
There's also much hypocrisy in your post.
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 11:31
There's also much hypocrisy in your post.
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
Nope! :beam:
Accusing me of hypocrisy? Andres, Andres, Andres.... I am a townie. I can do anything I like, and it doesn't make me guilty. Hypocrisy is the very weakest accusation one can level against someone. It's a mafia game, where we lie, bluff, gambit, and kill. And townies lynch the mafia for being murderers. And we accuse people for accusing people. And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.
Cry "hypocrisy!", scum, and die with that word on your tongue.
johnhughthom
05-18-2011, 11:32
And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.
And how many times has it allowed the scum to slip by unnoticed?
Way to miss the point:
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.
Attack is the best defense, eh?
You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.
Two possiblities:
a) you're connected;
b) you wanted to keep your scapegoat alive.
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 11:49
Way to miss the point:
I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.
Attack is the best defense, eh?
You're certainly demonstrating such, both in this game and the other one I quoted you from.
Your tactic is the same. Attack the case. Go in with questions. Go on the offensive.
Attack the case, because even if the case is right, you can try to undermine it, by discrediting it.
It doesn't matter if the case is correct IF people no longer have any faith in it because:
1) The accuser is somehow hypocritical
2) You can pick on one thing you know may not be true, and focus on that
3) You can dismiss it as walls of text.
You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.
Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".
You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
Your gut is in fact golden, when you are townie.
But, your scum is in fact showing, when you are MAFIA.
Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".
I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours' :rolleyes:
It's ATPG and Scienter.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 11:55
I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours' :rolleyes:
It's ATPG and Scienter.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.
:beam:
Especially love the rolleyes, that's a nice touch.
Who wants to bet its actually ATPG and Andres?
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 11:57
Who wants to bet its actually ATPG and Andres?
Lynch Andres first, then me. :bow:
Doubt your doubting abilities.
And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.
:beam:
Especially love the rolleyes, that's a nice touch.
Don't you have thought processes?
Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.
Lynch Andres first, then me. :bow:
Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius :bow:
I'd laugh if one of those dies tonight. So much for your theories.
Scienter
05-18-2011, 12:12
Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius :bow:
Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? :laugh4: How are Pizza and I connected?
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:13
Don't you have thought processes?
Tsk, Andres. I'm not moved by that. You criticize the thought process, you criticize the case, you'll criticize the accuser, but it doesn't matter if I found the right answer by rolling DICE, if the answer is correct.
Also, "Il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". Only a fool never changes his opinion.
You may reserve the right to change your opinion, as often as you please. I'm simply theorizing that your opinions haven't been genuine in the first place.
Lynch Pizza and Scienter, then worship me for being a genius :bow:
Scienter will of course, go on past this whole charade where I get Andres and Chaotix lynched, and even though I will die in the process, I shall be vindicated when my she-scum partner lasts to the final round. You'll tremble as you place your votes on her, wondering if I could be that ballsy. But you stand firm, because you know that I can indeed. And you'll lynch her. And you'll be right. But, you'll be so very surprised... why would I play the WIFOM game if I know you're going to call my bluff?
The answer, my friend, is as plain as the cheese on my pizza pie. Because I am Askthepizzaguy, and my reputation must be preserved no matter the cost! For I am VAIN!!! Curse my enormous ego. Weep for me, townies, I'm too narcissistic to play this game properly...
:drama1:
Also, Scienter showing up right now is convenient timing. All too convenient, you see, because Andres accused her of being scum and she just couldn't help herself. I always fall into my own scumtell traps. Woe.
:bounce:
blah blah blah blah blah
You're still guilty.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:20
Your case makes no sense
And yet, it's still correct!
And yet, it's still correct!
Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?
I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
I want to hear from Csargo.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:28
Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?
I think you sticking to the attack is your way of showing you can't handle the pressure. You're guilty.
I've already admitted my scummery! I've already admitted Scienter is my partner! But now, I'm focusing on bringing down fake mafioso/true townie Andres so I can score much lulz before this game ends! Don't you get it??? There's no need for me to defend the indefensible. Now I'm going for the gusto. I intend for the audience to shower me with roses and gold coins when my masterful performance is complete!
I could respond seriously to you, but when has that ever brought me good fortune? I'd rather post sexy pictures of Kagemusha, it gets my point across better.
I could respond seriously to you, but when has that ever brought me good fortune? I'd rather post sexy pictures of Kagemusha, it gets my point across better.
It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:33
It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.
Even so, you have to admit that Kagemusha is incredibly sexy. If you don't, they will all know you're lying, and therefore mafia.
CONFESS!!
You know, I really like cheese.
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:40
You know, I really like cheese.
Then my evil plan has finally paid off. Now you shall drain every last dime from your bank account as you order pizza after pizza, day after day, until your stomach bursts from the blockage, and I've made off with all your dimes.
HAHA! I don't have any dimes!
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 12:49
HAHA! I don't have any dimes!
And now you know why.
Because I spent it on that knife you wanted. It was for your birthday. Do you like it?
Diamondeye
05-18-2011, 16:54
I'm giggling in my grave here guys.
How dare you. Mafia is srz bzns.
Reenk Roink
05-18-2011, 17:31
Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?
I didn't like this either initially, but reading it once more, there is the possibility given the game mechanics of no reveals that he is trying to determine the guilt of one already killed, which is understandable and not actually irrelevant.
I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.
The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.
And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.
This is a bit contrived, but I can see where the connection would be, so this might be worth going for a bit. I don't think it's any stronger than Andres pointing out the obvious bickering between you and Chaotix as a screen either though.
I think Chaotix being at the center of these two accusations is pretty interesting though. At this point (could change after the kill is posted) I would lynch Chaotix even though I think both cases aren't great, because they are some of the only somewhat explicit cases right now, also because of his centrality to both of them, and I'm not sure on this but I think he voted for me this game and we can't leave any of those type of people alive.
...
You're trying to make a case out of nothing.
I think your refutation of his case is decent, so I'm wondering why you make a case on him out of nothing as well? Granted, Atpg hasn't tried to refute the case like you have. He has basically resorted to sarcastic dismissals of it, maybe implicitly stating that such an obvious joking link shouldn't be taken seriously?
In the second quote, you're guilty. You're also very serious. And, you're serious for basically the first time in that game.
...
But he could counter that he did not X in a very similar Y situation with a Z alignment. And I'm betting there is an example of that out there. Furthermore, as Andres has pointed out (later), your behavior in this game has taken the turn of your previous X behavior in similar situation Y with Z alignment. What does this show? Almost nothing by itself. Even tied in with a preexisting case it reeks of being forced. Not really a good sign, either for a townie or mafia.
Let's focus on the cases dealing mainly and mostly with in game actions, like we have so far. It seems to be the best analytical method (I can't believe I used the positively connotated superlative best to modify analytical methods :shame: - anyway do note operative word analytical, I don't wish to imply at all that it is the best method in general).
There's also much hypocrisy in your post.
Hypocrisy requires that the wideranging milieu of the posts in question are similar. Maybe Atpg won't see it that way?
While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.
If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.
This is a good reply. You should have made your implied accusations of connection a bit more explicit though. I also think you should have pushed the Chaotix unvote thing further.
But I must ask, Atpg seemed to imply that you unovted Chaotix for DE when it was kind of close (though DE was still in the lead). What was the situation like when he unvoted Chaotix for DE? More tight?
Accusing me of hypocrisy? Andres, Andres, Andres.... I am a townie. I can do anything I like, and it doesn't make me guilty. Hypocrisy is the very weakest accusation one can level against someone. It's a mafia game, where we lie, bluff, gambit, and kill. And townies lynch the mafia for being murderers. And we accuse people for accusing people. And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.
I agree that a charge of hypocrisy is fairly weak when trying to adduce guilt, but I think Andres was crying hypocrisy in your case against him, which (as he sees it though not entirely unreasonably) is similar to a case that can be applied to you (and which he has tried to apply).
The hypocrisy charge seems to be used as a defensive stratagem against your accusation rather than an accusatory method. Fairly good response by Andres I'd say.
I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.
Attack is the best defense, eh?
I did note that defensiveness as well. It should be kept in mind, but nervous flinching is hardly damning and shouldn't be used as such at this point. We have a lot more to go on.
Somewhat off topic: attack is the best defense. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORxD2KFQ4oo
You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.
Two possiblities:
a) you're connected;
b) you wanted to keep your scapegoat alive.
FINALLY ANDRES. :wall: Could you not have made this clear earlier so it would look a lot worse when evasion was employed?
I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.
What the ****? K, maybe thatreaction was too strong, but you seem to be throwing away the entire Chaotix connection but still using it as a guilt indicator. :dizzy2: This might work IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY SHOWN US WHAT THE CONNECTION TO SCIENTER WAS. So do that for us now Andres, please.
You're certainly demonstrating such, both in this game and the other one I quoted you from.
Your tactic is the same. Attack the case. Go in with questions. Go on the offensive.
Attack the case, because even if the case is right, you can try to undermine it, by discrediting it.
It doesn't matter if the case is correct IF people no longer have any faith in it ...
Are you accusing him of hypocrisy as a defensive tactic also? BOTH OF YOU DO SOMETHING NEW!
Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".
You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.
This is what I wanted to see from you earlier. Andres, this is a good reply, how will you respond?
I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours'
It's ATPG and Scienter.
Why are YOU getting evasive now Andres? I want to see your response to Atpg's differentiation between his connection to Chaotix and yours.
Up until now, you were attacking hard and saying (some) things worth listening to, whereas Atpg was generally in sarcastic and evasive mode. Atpg finally pulls out a good punch and you have nothing to say about it? This is bad.
By the way, still haven't elaborated on this subtle connection between Atpg and Scienter.
And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.
That second statement was obviously an earlier statement than the first, which he later took back in an attempt to elaborate his most current case. I don't understand why you would quote them together? To make Andres look bad and contradictory?
You could have pointed out that he really never made much of a case against Scienter instead...
Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? :laugh4: How are Pizza and I connected?
I want to know this too. Maybe it is legit, who knows? But the only connection I can remember is that you and Atpg voted closely a round or two earlier. That is QUITE subtle indeed Andres :rolleyes:, can you elaborate?
You're still guilty.
I can fully understand being tired of responding to Atpg after a while, and while the post you quoted and then summarized as blah blah blah might not be deserving of anything, his earlier post about the Chaotix connection certainly was.
All you've seem to do is respond to Atpg's off-hand statements and weaker arguments. YOU are the one (at this stage) who has completely avoided the main point.
I mean, it's not like his post was unanswerable. When reading it, I immediately came up with a response suggesting plausible deniability. I'm just wondering why you didn't.
Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?
He did defend himself though. Why aren't you responding instead of continually attacking him now?
It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.
Oh god. :rolleyes: It's not unusual for Reenk to start sounding frustrated when Andres doesn't respond to the most important part of the last 30 posts and all of this bluster and banter gets thrown around.
By the way, since you seem to be implying that Atpg in a way consistent of him being mafia, I've personally seen him do the same kind of sarcasm and jokey schtick as town when he is pressured.
I do wish that instead of doing that, he gutted you for your evasion.
Reenk Roink
05-18-2011, 17:34
tl;dr
Pending kill, Chaotix and now Andres seem like the best lynch. Especially if Andres wont (cant?) respond to Atpg and also elaborate about Scienter.
I think Andres did a good job digging his own grave in the second half of this long discussion. He sounds very suspicious. And he wasted a pretty strong performance early on.
Andres never responds to the most important parts of your accusations, even when he's a townie. I think it must be a lawyer thing.
There's something I wanted to highlight, but I have to go out for a while.
GeneralHankerchief
05-18-2011, 20:35
Clinton, Iowa
Night 4
It was of no use.
He had been trying to fight it for a few hours now, but there were just some things - primal urges, one might say - that could not go ignored. Tossing and turning in what passed for a bed out here in soggy Clinton, Iowa, he finally gave up. The urges called to him. They would not be denied. With a purpose, the camper finally threw off his covers and sat up straight, reaching out for several possessions that might be of value to him in the journey ahead.
Flashlight? Check. Knife? Check. Chainsaw? Check. Air horn? Check. Every road warrior of America worth his salt knew that it was better to be safe than sorry. Doubly so in this case, heading out in the middle of the night to complete a duty when in all likelihood there was at least one, possibly still two, criminally insane fugitive murderers on the loose, not just in the general vicinity but actually on the same premises too.
B_Ray stepped out of his tent, armed to the teeth, ready to do battle with the menaces of the night. But first, the actual reason why he stepped out of his tent and was tossing and turning for the better part of two hours. He sauntered off to the woods, unzipped himself, and prepared to do his business - since there were no toilets of any sort on the campground.
Unfortunately, he had been watched for the entire time. As prepared as a man can be, as dangerous and alert, somebody is always most vulnerable when going to the bathroom. You were trained from birth to keep entirely focused on the task at hand, and it would take quite a lot to break out of that habit. Four traumatic days were certainly helping with this, but despite all of that they were still only four days. B_Ray needed more time.
And so, as B_Ray was relieving himself in the middle of the thick woods at roughly two in the morning, haphazardly checking around every now and then for signs of movement, it did not even dawn on him that he was missing a key quadrant in his checks - the one from above. B_Ray did not have any time to take out his knife, or chainsaw, or airhorn, or even properly zip back up before his attacked had dive-bombed him from 20 feet above in the nearest tree.
So, the only sound made that night after all was that of B_Ray's bones shattering on impact, enough force acting on him to kill him instantly. His killer, looking pleased with himself, took B_Ray's various equipment for himself and sauntered out of the woods.
The next morning, everyone gathered around nervously while another headcount was being taken. The result was what everyone had feared - they were now down to single digits. This would only serve to compound the increasing sense of urgency the campers had been feeling in recent days, as they prepared for yet another difficult day ahead.
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Still alive: 9
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
It is now Day 5. This phase will conclude in approximately 24 hours.
and a very honest strategy when I am town ^^ I don't mind being lynched, just focus and Chaotix and.. what is his name *checking* , thelastdays, when I am dead
Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.
EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.
Something about this pair of posts struck me as unnatural coming from Andres. I can't put it into words well, I'm too tired. Just if Andres really was considering GE as scum, why does he bounce off onto ATPG and Chaotix (one of a hypothetically scummy GE's scapegoats, by the way) instead of following up on the implications regarding GE? If he does do that, why preface it with "also" (implying a continuation which is not there) instead of something something like "although", as you might expect if someone had actually just had a drastic shift in their train of thought?
It looks more like the underlying thought process might be "hmm, I could paint GE as scummy, anyone else?" ... "ooh, ATPG and Chaotix might work too". That does have the continuation implied by that "also".
Yeah, I realize I've dropped to a new low here, suspecting someone on the basis of one word.
@Reenk
Yes, Pizza has put Chaotix into the tie. One of the reasons I don't think they're scumbuddies and why I said it's probably option b), Chaotix is Pizza's scapegoat.
I never made a case against Scienter. I've always said it was a strong gut feeling.
Vote : Scienter
Something about this pair of posts struck me as unnatural coming from Andres. I can't put it into words well, I'm too tired. Just if Andres really was considering GE as scum, why does he bounce off onto ATPG and Chaotix (one of a hypothetically scummy GE's scapegoats, by the way) instead of following up on the implications regarding GE? If he does do that, why preface it with "also" (implying a continuation which is not there) instead of something something like "although", as you might expect if someone had actually just had a drastic shift in their train of thought?
It looks more like the underlying thought process might be "hmm, I could paint GE as scummy, anyone else?" ... "ooh, ATPG and Chaotix might work too". That does have the continuation implied by that "also".
Yeah, I realize I've dropped to a new low here, suspecting someone on the basis of one word.
I sometimes do that. Thinking out loud. G_E's posts did sound scummy.
You're reading a lot in that 'also'. I edited my post. I said one thing, minutes later, I also wanted to say another thing.
I admit to be guilty of usually not addressing the stronger parts of my opponents case and hitting hard on the weaker parts, making sure the stronger parts of the opponents' case don't get too much attention. Sorry :grin:
TheLastDays
05-18-2011, 21:38
Now this I don't get, after all the case(s) you brought forward you won't vote for ATPG but rather for someone who you have a gut feeling for?
I'm not saying that I'm sure ATPG is scum, rather I have a hard time buying your arguments, Andres...
Likewise.
Andres, why did you change your vote during the DE/Chaotix runoff?
Now this I don't get, after all the case(s) you brought forward you won't vote for ATPG but rather for someone who you have a gut feeling for?
I'm not saying that I'm sure ATPG is scum, rather I have a hard time buying your arguments, Andres...
I value my gut feelings higher than my ability to analyse posts and behaviour.
So, for all the talk about ATPG, I will first follow my gut feeling against Scienter.
Likewise.
Andres, why did you change your vote during the DE/Chaotix runoff?
ATPG asked me that question too and I already answered it.
My Chaotix vote was a 'logical' follow-up of my previous joke post. Then I voted D_E because he was around and said he was a liar. As I said, I wasn't very active had the time and hadn't been following the game closely, so I was fine with any of those two lynched. Fate decided I had to vote Diamondeye. If Chaotix would have posted after that interaction, I might have switched back to him again for being too noisy.
Thing is I sort of agree with your "gut feel" on Scienter, but I want you lynched as well. If I were looking for the sort of unserious mutual bussing you originally accused AtPG and Chaotix of anywhere else, it would be you and Scienter. You give her a nice friendly poke on day two, she eventually votes you back (way late in the day, no consequences). There was nothing between you on day three IIRC. I have not yet reviewed day four, really, was there anythign there?
, but I want you lynched as well.
Again? Why do you hate me?
Answered my own question: at 4 votes chaotix to 2 or so on GE (and none on scienter), Andres switched to Scienter on the basis of a gut feeling, making it 4-1. Khaan went with the gut feeling, and AtPG later switched from Chaotix to Scienter to produce the 3-way tie.
Hmm, not sure. At the moment I'd be roughly equally happy with either Andres or Scienter being lynched.
Again? Why do you hate me?
:D
Why were you advocating Scienter and ATPG as scum partners last night when ATPG put her into an end-of-day tie for the lead? What reasoning? (Skimmed most of last night, still catching up really.)
Askthepizzaguy
05-18-2011, 22:39
Vote: Andres
Then Chaotix. Or, Chaotix, then Andres. Either one is perfectly acceptable to me.
johnhughthom
05-18-2011, 23:44
Vote: Andres
I'm pretty sure the key to our scum is somewhere in that three way tie. Andres vote switch was the action that stuck out most to me.
Reenk Roink
05-19-2011, 00:45
:no:
Can you tell us why you think Atpg is innocent please?
Also what do you think of john here. He rouses my suspicion for some reason. I would have killed him already if I was Mafia.
@Reenk
Yes, Pizza has put Chaotix into the tie. One of the reasons I don't think they're scumbuddies and why I said it's probably option b), Chaotix is Pizza's scapegoat.
I never made a case against Scienter. I've always said it was a strong gut feeling.
Hmm, fair enough on the evasion part then. :bow:
But now I find your case to be really contrived. I mean, Atpg and Chaotix have this clear connection but it is because Atpg wants to use it as a screen for Scienter. Also, if this is what you think, why aren't you voting for Atpg. Certainly he's been flagged more, already has a vote on him, and will be an easier lynch than Scienter who probably won't get a big showing given the thing with you and Atpg/Chaotix.
Scienter
05-19-2011, 00:51
I missed a lot while I was at work! Vote:Andres sure is trying hard to get me killed. I wonder if he'll kill me during the night phase if he can't get me lynched. :wink:
Can you tell us why you think Atpg is innocent please?
Day One. Late and unnecessary vote change from Scienter (who was never in danger of lynch) to Who Am I. ATPG's change made it 3 for Who Am I, 3 for Zack, and 2 for Reenk. You are a townie, and Zack probably was, therefore ATPG's not saving a scumbuddy by making this shift. Nor does he seem to be doing it for "look how townie I am reasons" (although it was a solid move given Zack's unlikely-to-be-scum behavior) -- he never makes an issue of it then or later. It looks townie to me.
As well he appears to come out much the better in the debate with Andres from last night, though I haven't read that closely enough to be really confident.
Also what do you think of john here. He rouses my suspicion for some reason. I would have killed him already if I was Mafia.
Absent putting Zack in the lead on day one, my overall impression is "safe". He voted one-offs on days two and three and is going with Andres here.
Why was I killed? I thought laying low was scummy behavior, and therefore, I shouldn't have been a target. Oh well. I'd vote for Andres this round.
Dead men don't talk. :P
Vote: Csargo
Wherefore are thou, Csargo?
TheLastDays
05-19-2011, 05:29
I think we should be past voting for people just because they don't show up right now...
Or not showing up at all. I want to hear his opinion. That's all.
Or not showing up at all. I want to hear his opinion. That's all.
Why me?
Cause I noticed you first.
Cause I noticed you first.
How did you notice me?
I dunno. I just want to hear your opinions. Yours was the name under mine.
Well, I'm going to go with the thing that stuck out most to me yesterday. That was ATPG's vote switch to make it a tie. So, Vote:ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 08:04
Well, I'm going to go with the thing that stuck out most to me yesterday. That was ATPG's vote switch to make it a tie. So, Vote:ATPG
I love you, Csargo. :heart:
I love you, Csargo. :heart:
LOVE ME MORE. :sweetheart:
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 08:14
LOVE ME MORE. :sweetheart:
Impossible, darling. :love:
I missed a lot while I was at work! Vote:Andres sure is trying hard to get me killed. I wonder if he'll kill me during the night phase if he can't get me lynched. :wink:
You have made 13 posts in this thread, but you haven't said much at all, allthough it is clear that you are following this game with much attention.
But now I find your case to be really contrived. I mean, Atpg and Chaotix have this clear connection but it is because Atpg wants to use it as a screen for Scienter. Also, if this is what you think, why aren't you voting for Atpg. Certainly he's been flagged more, already has a vote on him, and will be an easier lynch than Scienter who probably won't get a big showing given the thing with you and Atpg/Chaotix.
Yes, ATPG and Chaotix have a clear connection. That's why I mentioned it. As a result, ATPG immediately started to attack me. During the back and forth, I realised it wasn't likely Chaotix was his scum partner.
I've had a strong gut feeling against Scienter for a long time now; maybe I wanted to see a connection between both of them in the fact that ATPG flattered me (scum!) by stating that my gut feeling is golden and voting Scienter.
I'm sure if my case isn't convincing or clear. Note that in the Animus game people wanted to lynch me for several rounds (and eventually they did lynch me) and thought I was scum. In the end, it was shown that I was innocent and right about a lot of things.
This is getting frustrating.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 09:01
Yes, ATPG and Chaotix have a clear connection. That's why I mentioned it. As a result, ATPG immediately started to attack me. During the back and forth, I realised it wasn't likely Chaotix was his scum partner.
Not immediately.
Go back and look at the time stamps on my posts. Well after I read the thread and all your posts, I posted this:
It really would be a pleasure, sir. :bow: Maybe someday.
Man, this totally doesn't sound like WIFOM or anything like that. There's no chance either me or you will get any votes at all tomorrow. Nope.
And like 8 hours passed before I made any further comment.
On my first read I was simply catching up on everything that had been said, in this game and others. I took a break from the thread, came back, and attempted to use the time constructively by looking for anything unusual.
Although Reenk has a point that your comment about God Emperor may have had a purpose, in my mind, on a second read, I decided that it was coming from a place that wasn't genuine or useful. That may or may not be the case.
The point is, if this were some kind of reaction to your statement about me and Chaotix, where I would turn around and attack you out of flinching or emotion or whatever, there wouldn't have been some 8 hours in between.
Your impression of what I was doing is entirely wrong. This was pure scum-searching, and it's evident from the sequence of events and the time elapsed. If you're town and fair-minded, you'll realize that this is correct.
I've had a strong gut feeling against Scienter for a long time now; maybe I wanted to see a connection between both of them in the fact that ATPG flattered me (scum!) by stating that my gut feeling is golden and voting Scienter.
Before I have any suspicion of you in particular, I like to stand back and watch you work, and even encourage the death of your suspects. I've seen your gut lead to wonderful things before, many a time. I commented on your gut being golden in other games as well. This is my default position on you. That only changes when I know for a fact your gut is wrong, or when I suspect you're guilty.
I'm sure if my case isn't convincing or clear. Note that in the Animus game people wanted to lynch me for several rounds (and eventually they did lynch me) and thought I was scum. In the end, it was shown that I was innocent and right about a lot of things.
If we're going to go that route, I could mention you voted to lynch me early over Kagemusha, and in the end it was shown that I was innocent and right.... We could do that, but it wouldn't be very useful to anyone. I know that you're one who doesn't like these games turning into a contest of who is right, and I tend to agree. Because you are right in other situations doesn't make you more right or wrong now. Especially if you're scum, and I laid out clear reasons why I think you are.
This is getting frustrating.
If you think I am scum, you should be voting for me, Andres. Either back up your suspicions, or do not pretend to have them, my fellow blue man groupie. :wink:
Are you now saying that you think I'm scum because I think you're scum?
I suggest we lynch Scienter first.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 09:30
Are you now saying that you think I'm scum because I think you're scum?
No, and if you're innocent, I fear we're now just talking past each other.
I think you're scum because I noticed that your continued offensive against God Emperor seemed like overkill, and so I looked on the rest of your posts in a critical light. I then noticed the same dual-attack that I've seen before from scumbags who tend to distance themselves from their partner while simultaneously accusing a townie, holding them up as equally "guilty", then following up on those "suspicions" in future rounds by (of course) picking the townie among the two.
I find that you're tossing suspicion on player after player in typical Andres form, but, I don't feel by your actions that these suspicions were genuine. Case in point, Chaotix. You weren't really interested in lynching him. Now, after I've accused you both, you've also prevented me from pressuring you into voting for Chaotix, because you've now stated that you think I am scum, and that Chaotix is not my partner.
After my attack on you, you've gone from saying Chaotix and I are connected and guilty, to just me..... oh, and also Scienter.
This is convenient, especially since one point I made was that Chaotix is likely your scum partner. Now, you've done all that you can to prevent me from asking you to back up your fake suspicion on Chaotix. Now, you have laid the ground work to prevent such a move, which would be devastating if you're both guilty.
Now, you think I am a main suspect and you're voting for Scienter. Is this some attempt at looking fair-minded? Or spreading the votes around like a townie, pressuring more suspects than just one? Maybe, but it also doesn't feel like a natural town reaction.
I'm calling for your head and you think I'm scum and there are other votes on me. You should be pressing my death harder, or explaining why you no longer think I am scum.
Explain your true position on Chaotix. Is he "innocent" because I am "guilty" and therefore he cannot be my scum partner? What if I am innocent, Andres? Isn't he worthy of some of your suspicion, at all?
I don't care that you're accusing me or Scienter. If you're townie this is normal and necessary. My main criticism of you has been that your suspicions all seem fake, and the ones I feel are the very fakest, you will refuse to back up with votes.
I suggest we lynch Scienter first.
Either you or Chaotix are where I'm going to vote today, unless neither is a real option and it's at the deadline.
I want to know if you still think I am guilty, Andres. I want to know what you really think of Chaotix.
I have also put Scienter into dangerous positions in this game, and voted for her early. Like Chaotix, it's really unlikely that she's my partner. Whatever/WIFOM I know you think this is not a valid argument.
Remember the three-way tie. I had Chaotix in the lead, and I put it tied with Scienter. If Chaotix isn't my partner because I put him into a tie the round prior, does that follow for Scienter as well? If not, why not?
Are you townie, Andres? I am not convinced you are. Show me.
Does everything need to have a reason in a game where guessing and being lucky are as succesful as analysing and following logical thought patterns? I've been doing the latter for a long time, constantly ignoring my intuition. Yes, my behaviour and posts may look erratic and odd. So what? Is that a problem in itself? Is that a sign of being scum? No, it isn't. You're condemning me for not following the usual play style. The usual play style hasn't been much of a succes for me; so I'm following my intuition now. It's difficult to build cases on intuition. It feels a bit like being mafia trying to find reasons to vote someone. I can say "gut", yet you'll still be demanding more explanation. I have no explanation, but I know I need to convince town. So cases sound fabricated, weird, odd, etc.
Meh, guess you'll have to get used to this new play style. I know I sound scummy. I admitted as much in the other game too.
I sincerely think Scienter is guilty, so my vote stays there. I'm going to be stubborn as a mule about this.
I'm innocent and that's the truth.
Diamondeye
05-19-2011, 09:48
I suggest we lynch Scienter first.
This, people. I don't like either the ATPG or the Andres lynch, but feel free to try them out after Scienter hangs.
This, people. I don't like either the ATPG or the Andres lynch, but feel free to try them out after Scienter hangs.
Indeed. 13 posts with nothing substantial. Posts that give the feeling she is following this game closely. Some posts with suspicious timing. And my gut. What more do you need?
Your gut outside your body obviously. :laugh4:
Your gut outside your body obviously. :laugh4:
We are not amused :snobby:
Maybe we all should do a re-read of your posts, hm? I'm sure we'll find something suspicious in them... :stare:
EDIT: in fact, you're showing similar thread behaviour as Scienter... More posts and many of them non serious, not exactly the same. Still, interesting.
I thought I was doing good as scum. Now you've ruined it. BAD ANDRES!
*runs off and cries*
And apparently, you're posting from a Mobile Device... :stare:
Diamondeye
05-19-2011, 10:08
And apparently, you're posting from a Mobile Device... :stare:
:laugh4:
It says that sometimes even though you don't actually do, but yeah, still a scumtell :tongue:
Seriously, what is wrong with the Org?
I'm posting on my laptop and it keeps saying mobile device, and I have no idea why?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 10:10
Does everything need to have a reason in a game where guessing and being lucky are as succesful as analysing and following logical thought patterns? I've been doing the latter for a long time, constantly ignoring my intuition.
I sincerely think Scienter is guilty, so my vote stays there. I'm going to be stubborn as a mule about this.
I'm innocent.
You're being evasive.
For all your talk of there being a connection between Scienter and myself, Chaotix and myself, there's a more demonstrable connection between you and Chaotix. I've placed both Scienter and Chaotix into mortal danger, and allowed rounds to end with their heads near the chopping block. Either I am doing this because I sincerely wanted them to die, and tried to make it so, or I am doing it because I am a big fake fake fake faker.
That means either I am guilty and they are not my partner, or I am innocent. So, either I need to die before they do, or I am innocent. You're picking a third alternative, going for Scienter first, while leaving suspect ATPG alive. If you suspect them, you can't genuinely suspect me at this point. As I said, if you think that my votes to put them near death have been distancing tactics, then it's because I'm guilty and I need to die as much as they do.
If they were not distancing tactics, then I wanted them dead, and in such a case, only one of us could be guilty among them. Since you have heavy suspicions on me, that again leads to the idea of lynching me first.
I don't follow your logic, Andres. This just all smells of the same fake suspicion. Do you want to leave me alive because I'm a tempting lynch target in the endgame? Do you not want to look obviously eager to get rid of me, as Chaotix does? What reasoning could you have to go for Scienter over me? You've offered none except that you wish to follow your "gut", not your analytical ability. But this also smells of fakeness to me.
You pick someone to analyze and you lay out a case against them because your gut says they are suspicious. You had a gut reaction on me, and then followed it up with reasons... reasons that aren't very plausible, to me, if you're honestly analyzing anything. The same reason you concluded Chaotix was not scum with me follows for Scienter, but you never made mention of that.
Confronted with direct accusations that you and Chaotix are scum, you are evading and being defensive by poking a finger at Scienter with the impossible to debate "gut" accusation. This is your way of shutting down anyone's ability to further look for gaps in your reasoning.
It's a strong defense, and it's a defense I feel you are using because you're scum, not because you don't enjoy a good debate. This is half the fun of mafia is making accusations based on gut feelings and trying to back them up with reasons. I know you enjoy a good attack and defend and back and forth. I've seen you do it in almost every game. I also don't really buy that you're just fed up with arguing with me, because that sounds plausible, but I think I know you better than that. I feel you're avoiding any strong point I make, and even making a point of saying you'll be "stubborn" on leaving your vote on Scienter, because you know you don't have a real case on Scienter, and you can't risk voting for Chaotix. You cannot risk being reasonable here, you have to go with stubborn and unreasonable, that way no one can talk you out of it, based on some principle of trusting your gut more.
But again, your gut was supposedly tweaked by me and Chaotix as well. Now I'm saying that you had both gut and some sort of case on others, but are backing down on that because you can't be reasonable here, it is game losing. I also feel that your bid to keep me alive when you "suspect" me is just a way of wasting a more valuable endgame lynch on a wrong suspect. Should we succeed in lynching you or Chaotix, the follow up may be to lynch me, so as to get both sides dead, just to be safe. Should I be wrong about Chaotix being your partner, this wastes even further lynches, as Chaotix will still be alive and I'll be insisting he dies as well.
So, a hypothetical non-Chaotix partner of yours will win the game, even if I push hard against both you and Chaotix, and that is the real reason why you have chosen these tactics as your defense. Your goal seems to be to waste time. If you can get Scienter lynched, so much the better, because that still leaves you, Chaotix, and myself alive, and you have to know that some of us are going to get lynched in future rounds.
Andres, you're a chessmaster at this stuff, and I am spotting tactics a chessmaster would use to win this game. They're logical and brilliant, as are you. To see you go into your shell and claim stubborn gut as your reasons here, don't convince me you're town, it only reinforces my suspicion on you in particular. Ironically, it pushes me to consider you more likely to be guilty than Chaotix. It's possible there's someone else you're covering for. It's obviously not Scienter or me...
So, I shall now look and see who else you might have waiting in the wings to checkmate the town.
Seriously, what is wrong with the Org?
I'm posting on my laptop and it keeps saying mobile device, and I have no idea why?
The Divine Voice of the .Org is telling us Visorslash is scum!
But but but... I gave the knife to Pizza, honest!
It was his birthday. He wanted it.
You do realise that all this talk about my gut will lead to a very unpleasant lynch?
Unpleasant how? You won't taste very nice? Just throw a bunch of spices on there and say it's beef. No-one's noticed the difference.
(Trade secret ;))
ATPG, did you read my post post-edit?
Regardless, I've said what I had to say.
I'm innocent and I think Scienter is guilty. I even provided some reasons next to just "gut"; which you seem to ignore completely.
So will we know when we lynch a scum?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 10:38
ATPG, did you read my post post-edit?
Regardless, I've said what I had to say.
I'm innocent and I think Scienter is guilty. I even provided some reasons next to just "gut"; which you seem to ignore completely.
No, I've read everything you've had to say, and I've read the part where you said you have nothing further to say, presumably until Scienter is dead. I assume I will see your name on the list of people voting for me at the end of the round, conveniently, when the Scienter wagon doesn't take off. And it will be for gut + reasons, of course.
You're being uncooperative on purpose. Now, I'm halfway done analyzing the game, and I'll get back to doing that.
Pizza, when we're done murdering the rest of the campers, promise me you'll clean my knife?
Please?
We can take a photo before we wash it, for all the good times. All the innocent blood we spilled....
Ah....
No, I've read everything you've had to say, and I've read the part where you said you have nothing further to say, presumably until Scienter is dead. I assume I will see your name on the list of people voting for me at the end of the round, conveniently, when the Scienter wagon doesn't take off. And it will be for gut + reasons, of course.
You're being uncooperative on purpose. Now, I'm halfway done analyzing the game, and I'll get back to doing that.
I'm not being uncooperative :stare:
I've said what I had to say. If you deem that insufficient, then that's fine. But don't label it as being uncooperative, because that's clearly false.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 10:54
I'm not being uncooperative :stare:
Fine, you're being evasive AND stubborn, but totally cooperative, you nut. :beam:
I deem you guilty AND insufficient. How's that? :laugh4:
By the way, Visorslash, it's totally obvious that YOU are my scum partner, if anyone is.
I wuv you scumbuddy. Maybe you can buy me a chainsaw for my birthday and we can take a holiday to Texas?
Sound like a plan?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 10:57
By the way Andres, I hate to actually help your case if you're guilty, but if you're innocent, check out posts 233 and 234.
Tell me which of the two of us would be Scienter's scum partner. It ain't Pizza.
Of course it wouldn't, because you're MY scum partner Pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:00
Of course it wouldn't, because you're MY scum partner Pizza.
At least help me do some fake analysis, man. We'll beat these townies yet if we employ thinking.
I don't see anything wrong with JHT's post #233 :shrug: It's a perfectly valid question and opinion.
You sure? My mindless ranting seems to slip under the radar pretty well. I'd be analysing my posts if I was town, that's for sure.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:03
I don't see anything wrong with JHT's post #233 :shrug: It's a perfectly valid question and opinion.
GAH! to you Andres. If you really thought Scienter was scum, and that I was linked to her, those posts should have proven there are others in the game with far more interest in keeping Scienter alive, and have demonstrated so.
For someone who is suspicious of things that aren't suspicious, I should think actually relevant and possibly suspicious behavior would be to your liking, but I can see I am wasting my time pursuing even your own case.
:tongue2: raspberries in your general direction.
Diamondeye
05-19-2011, 11:06
So will we know when we lynch a scum?
No.
At least help me do some fake analysis, man. We'll beat these townies yet if we employ thinking.
Our biggest weakness! AHH! IT BURNS US!
Anyone got a tally? Andres style beef sounds nice right about now.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:15
Anyone got a tally? Andres style beef sounds nice right about now.
I've got more than a tally, I have the whole game. Check it out.
ALIVE
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
DAY ONE
GE votes Csargo
B_Ray votes Who
ATPG votes Scienter
Zack votes ATPG
DE votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes DE
Reenk votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Scienter votes Whoami
JHT votes Zack
Whoami votes Reenk
TLD votes God Emperor
ATPG unvotes, votes Whoami
Csargo votes Andres
Visor votes TLD
TLD unvotes, votes Whoami
Robbiecon votes Yaseikhaan
Chaotix votes Sasaki
Andres votes God Emperor
Zack unvotes, votes JHT
Chaotix unvotes, votes God Emperor
Who am i?: 4 (B_Ray, Scienter, ATPG, TheLastDays)
Zack: 3 (Diamondeye, Reenk, JHT)
God Emperor: 2 (Andres, Chaotix)
Csargo: 1 (God Emperor)
Andres: 1 (Csargo)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Who am i?)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (robbiecon)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
johnhughthom: 1 (Zack)
Not voting: 2 (khaan, Renata)
DAY TWO
Zack votes B_Ray
Csargo votes Zack
Reenk votes Zack
B_Ray votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Chaotix votes God Emperor
ATPG votes Visorslash
Visorslash votes Reenk
TLD votes ATPG
Visorslash unvotes, votes Visorslash
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Andres votes Scienter
DE votes Reenk
Yaseikhaan votes B_Ray
JHT votes TLD
God Emperor votes Zack
TLD unvotes, votes Zack
Scienter votes Andres
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
Zack: 5 (Csargo, Reenk, B_Ray, God Emperor, TheLastDays)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Zack, Diamondeye)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Visorslash: 1 (Visorslash)
Andres: 1 (Scienter)
Chaotix: 1 (ATPG)
Scienter: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (khaan)
TheLastDays: 1 (JHT)
Not voting: 1 (robbiecon)
DAY THREE
Chaotix votes ATPG
ATPG votes Chaotix
TLD votes Scienter
Andres votes TLD
Diamondeye votes B_Ray
Visorslash votes Visorslash
Visorslash unvotes, votes Csargo
Andres unvotes, votes Visorslash
Reenk votes DE
God Emperor votes Chaotix
Yaseikhaan votes DE
Chaotix unvotes, votes Visorslash
JHT votes God Emperor
Chaotix unvotes, votes Zack
Csargo votes Diamondeye
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
B_Ray votes Andres
Scienter votes Chaotix
ATPG unvotes, votes JHT
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Day 3 tally:
Chaotix: 3 (God Emperor, Scienter, ATPG)
Diamondeye: 3 (Reenk, khaan, Csargo)
God Emperor: 1 (JHT)
Scienter: 1 (TheLastDays)
Visorslash: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (Diamondeye)
Csargo: 1 (Visorslash)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Andres: 1 (B_Ray)
Yaseikhaan votes DE
ATPG votes Chaotix
JHT votes Chaotix
B_Ray votes DE
Csargo votes DE
Reenk votes DE
Visorslash votes Chaotix
TLD votes DE
Andres votes Chaotix
DE votes Chaotix
Andres unvotes, votes DE
Scienter votes Chaotix
Chaotix votes DE
Day 3a tally:
Diamondeye: 7 (khaan, B_Ray, Csargo, Reenk, TheLastDays, Andres, Chaotix)
Chaotix: 5 (ATPG, JHT, Visorslash, Scienter, Diamondeye)
Not voting: 1 (God Emperor)
DAY FOUR
Chaotix votes Scienter
ATPG votes Chaotix
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
God Emperor votes Chaotix
TLD votes God Emperor
ROUND EXTENDED
Csargo votes GE
B_Ray votes ATPG
Visorslash votes Chaotix
Andres votes God Emperor
Scienter votes Chaotix
JHT votes God Emperor
Andres unvotes, votes Scienter
Yaseikhaan votes Scienter
ATPG unvotes, votes Scienter
[NOTE 233 and 234- JHT is concerned about Scienter, I am not]
THREE WAY TIE
B_Ray unvotes, votes GE
Visor votes GE
ATPG unvotes, votes GE
Visor unvotes, votes GE
God Emperor: 6 (TheLastDays, Csargo, B_Ray, JHT, ATPG, Visorslash)
Chaotix: 2 (God Emperor, Scienter)
Scienter: 2 (Andres, khaan)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)
DAY FIVE
Chaotix votes ATPG
Andres votes Scienter
ATPG votes Andres
JHT votes Andres
Scienter votes Andres
Visorslash votes Csargo
Csargo votes ATPG
Andres: (ATPG, JHT, Scienter)
ATPG: (Chaotix, Csargo)
Csargo: (Visorslash)
Scienter: (Andres)
Current tally.
I am leaning Andres as top suspect, and then either Chaotix or Csargo as possible partners.
If Scienter is guilty, JHT is her partner.
For the lulz.
Unvote; Vote: Pizza
Just kidding. :P I would never do that to my scumbuddy.
Unvote; Vote: JHT
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:19
For the lulz.
Unvote; Vote: Pizza
Sure, we have three lynches left (Two if both are failures). Why not? Maybe you'll listen to me when I'm dead.
Tis only a joke scumbuddy. Don't hur- OW
Watch where you're sta- Jesus Christ!
I'm sorry. :embarassed:
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:25
You seem in remarkably carefree spirits at the moment, Visorslash. I take it the game is going so well for you that you're not particularly concerned with the outcome of this lynch?
I haven't been targeted for lynch or nightkill yet, so obviously it is going good.
The outcome of this lynch is looking to be Andres, but some late votes will appear, I will throw money on it. I'm debating whether to throw my vote on Andres, or keep in on JHT.
I mean, it's nice to be able to joke around in a game for once, without being suspected as scum. (Not saying I'm scum, I'm town. Still haven't gotten a scum role yet. I will eventually, I suppose.)
I'm sure any case on me won't stand up, because I have basically posted nothing. Kind've like what JHT does.
Keep joking around like this and at some point, people will suspect you.
EDIT: you remind me of Privateerkev.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:34
I mean, it's nice to be able to joke around in a game for once, without being suspected as scum. (Not saying I'm scum, I'm town. Still haven't gotten a scum role yet. I will eventually, I suppose.)
I'm sure any case on me won't stand up, because I have basically posted nothing. Kind've like what JHT does.
Neither you or Yaseikhaan have been particularly concerned with the outcome of any lynch so far, and your voting pattern reflects that. This does not bode well for the endgame, because, if either of you are scum, you're both advancing through each round without concern, and if you're townie, you're doing absolutely nothing to decide between any of the top suspects in any round.
Even if you nominate someone for death, and consider them a top suspect, I feel you should place your vote on someone who is likely to die near the end of the round. Townie votes are the only things that kill scumbags, and if townies are divided, you can bet that scums will take advantage of that.
I urge you to play a bit more seriously here, because you're now setting off my lost game alarms. Either the game will be lost because townies didn't care, or because you were scum. That tells me, if I want any chance of success, I should lynch you and hope I am wrong about Andres.
Do you get what I am saying?
Okay then. Unvote; Vote: Andres
@ Andres
Privaterkev?
Okay then. Unvote; Vote: Andres
@ Andres
Privaterkev?
A member who left us a few years ago. He was very chatty, just like you now.
Why did you vote me? To please Pizza or because you think I'm scum? In case of the latter, explain please.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:39
Keep joking around like this and at some point, people will suspect you.
EDIT: you remind me of Privateerkev.
Visorslash is someone I predict great, great things for when it comes to Mafia. He's greatly impressed me in his first games elsewhere. He's absolutely someone worthy of being compared to Privateerkev.
I'm very happy Visorslash is here. ~:grouphug:
And I'm very happy you're my scum buddy. :D Thank you again for the kind words.
Now, onto the serious business. Is there a case on Pizza?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:48
And I'm very happy you're my scum buddy. :D Thank you again for the kind words.
Now, onto the serious business. Is there a case on Pizza?
I've admitted my guilt, and I'm defending my scum partner Visorslash by posting fake suspicion on him, while also posting fake suspicion on Chaotix and Scienter without lynching either one. I'm going to get innocent Andres lynched, and I'm defending myself with sarcasm, evasion, and Kagemusha references.
Why I'm even alive is beyond me. That's the case on Pizza.
I prefer salami on my Pizza, but whatever floats your boat.
Gonna read through both your posts and come up with my opinion.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:50
I prefer salami on my Pizza, but whatever floats your boat.
Gonna read through both your posts and come up with my opinion.
I have well more than two posts, and you know it. :clown:
Only two worth reading. Other ones are mindless spam.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 11:54
Only two worth reading. Other ones are mindless spam.
I just got pwnt.
I'm fine with my vote on Andres. It shall stay where it is.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 12:06
I would like TheLastDays, Yaseikhaan, and Johnhughthom to weigh in.
Please feel free to use my summary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135271-The-Campground-In-play&p=2053315341&viewfull=1#post2053315341) of the game so far as a reference point. I'll remove the red from Andres and Chaotix' votes, that was a visual aid meant for me.
Scienter
05-19-2011, 12:13
Andres counted my posts! Awww. :sweetheart:
I'm following the game and have actively been trying to participate because it's a vanilla game with not a ton of players and I'm trying to get better at mafia. I'm not up to Pizza's level where I can keep track of what everyone does and how everyone votes. But I've been watching carefully enough to try and defend myself when people want to hang me. :laugh4: Feel free not to believe me, we'll all know who's who when the game is over.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 12:21
I'm of two minds, presently.
While it is necessary and prudent to find someone you think is suspicious and must die, you must always consider alternatives.
I'm either right or wrong on Andres. The odds suggest I'm wrong, but I have some faith in my ability to spot scummy behavior. That said, if I am wrong, the very safest thing for the scumbags to do is just let all this discussion tear the townies apart as they accuse each other.
So, if I am wrong on Andres, I would wager that one of the folks who hasn't spoken yet this round is guilty and loving this. A typical Yaseikhaan tactic, so I'll place a Finger of Suspicion on my old nemesis.
FoS: Yaseikhaan for watching us fail.
Andres counted my posts! Awww. :sweetheart:
I'm following the game and have actively been trying to participate because it's a vanilla game with not a ton of players and I'm trying to get better at mafia. I'm not up to Pizza's level where I can keep track of what everyone does and how everyone votes. But I've been watching carefully enough to try and defend myself when people want to hang me. :laugh4: Feel free not to believe me, we'll all know who's who when the game is over.
Scum, SCUM, SCUM!!!
TheLastDays
05-19-2011, 12:28
Don't worry, I'm voting...
vote: Andres
imo his case is the strongest atm...
I'm trying to get better as well. That doesn't make Scienter scum.
Though the last bit.....
Don't worry, I'm voting...
vote: Andres
imo his case is the strongest atm...
You need to bold your vote. Also, Andres is spelled S-c-i-e-n-t-e-r.
I've got more than a tally, I have the whole game. Check it out.
ALIVE
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
DAY ONE
GE votes Csargo
B_Ray votes Who
ATPG votes Scienter
Zack votes ATPG
DE votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes DE
Reenk votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Scienter votes Whoami
JHT votes Zack
Whoami votes Reenk
TLD votes God Emperor
ATPG unvotes, votes Whoami
Csargo votes Andres
Visor votes TLD
TLD unvotes, votes Whoami
Robbiecon votes Yaseikhaan
Chaotix votes Sasaki
Andres votes God Emperor
Zack unvotes, votes JHT
Chaotix unvotes, votes God Emperor
Who am i?: 4 (B_Ray, Scienter, ATPG, TheLastDays)
Zack: 3 (Diamondeye, Reenk, JHT)
God Emperor: 2 (Andres, Chaotix)
Csargo: 1 (God Emperor)
Andres: 1 (Csargo)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Who am i?)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (robbiecon)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
johnhughthom: 1 (Zack)
Not voting: 2 (khaan, Renata)
DAY TWO
Zack votes B_Ray
Csargo votes Zack
Reenk votes Zack
B_Ray votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Chaotix votes God Emperor
ATPG votes Visorslash
Visorslash votes Reenk
TLD votes ATPG
Visorslash unvotes, votes Visorslash
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Andres votes Scienter
DE votes Reenk
Yaseikhaan votes B_Ray
JHT votes TLD
God Emperor votes Zack
TLD unvotes, votes Zack
Scienter votes Andres
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
Zack: 5 (Csargo, Reenk, B_Ray, God Emperor, TheLastDays)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Zack, Diamondeye)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Visorslash: 1 (Visorslash)
Andres: 1 (Scienter)
Chaotix: 1 (ATPG)
Scienter: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (khaan)
TheLastDays: 1 (JHT)
Not voting: 1 (robbiecon)
DAY THREE
Chaotix votes ATPG
ATPG votes Chaotix
TLD votes Scienter
Andres votes TLD
Diamondeye votes B_Ray
Visorslash votes Visorslash
Visorslash unvotes, votes Csargo
Andres unvotes, votes Visorslash
Reenk votes DE
God Emperor votes Chaotix
Yaseikhaan votes DE
Chaotix unvotes, votes Visorslash
JHT votes God Emperor
Chaotix unvotes, votes Zack
Csargo votes Diamondeye
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
B_Ray votes Andres
Scienter votes Chaotix
ATPG unvotes, votes JHT
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Day 3 tally:
Chaotix: 3 (God Emperor, Scienter, ATPG)
Diamondeye: 3 (Reenk, khaan, Csargo)
God Emperor: 1 (JHT)
Scienter: 1 (TheLastDays)
Visorslash: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (Diamondeye)
Csargo: 1 (Visorslash)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Andres: 1 (B_Ray)
Yaseikhaan votes DE
ATPG votes Chaotix
JHT votes Chaotix
B_Ray votes DE
Csargo votes DE
Reenk votes DE
Visorslash votes Chaotix
TLD votes DE
Andres votes Chaotix
DE votes Chaotix
Andres unvotes, votes DE
Scienter votes Chaotix
Chaotix votes DE
Day 3a tally:
Diamondeye: 7 (khaan, B_Ray, Csargo, Reenk, TheLastDays, Andres, Chaotix)
Chaotix: 5 (ATPG, JHT, Visorslash, Scienter, Diamondeye)
Not voting: 1 (God Emperor)
DAY FOUR
Chaotix votes Scienter
ATPG votes Chaotix
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
God Emperor votes Chaotix
TLD votes God Emperor
ROUND EXTENDED
Csargo votes GE
B_Ray votes ATPG
Visorslash votes Chaotix
Andres votes God Emperor
Scienter votes Chaotix
JHT votes God Emperor
Andres unvotes, votes Scienter
Yaseikhaan votes Scienter
ATPG unvotes, votes Scienter
[NOTE 233 and 234- JHT is concerned about Scienter, I am not]
THREE WAY TIE
B_Ray unvotes, votes GE
Visor votes GE
ATPG unvotes, votes GE
Visor unvotes, votes GE
God Emperor: 6 (TheLastDays, Csargo, B_Ray, JHT, ATPG, Visorslash)
Chaotix: 2 (God Emperor, Scienter)
Scienter: 2 (Andres, khaan)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)
DAY FIVE
Chaotix votes ATPG
Andres votes Scienter
ATPG votes Andres
JHT votes Andres
Scienter votes Andres
Visorslash votes Csargo
Csargo votes ATPG
Andres: (ATPG, JHT, Scienter)
ATPG: (Chaotix, Csargo)
Csargo: (Visorslash)
Scienter: (Andres)
Current tally.
I am leaning Andres as top suspect, and then either Chaotix or Csargo as possible partners.
If Scienter is guilty, JHT is her partner.
What did I do?
Don't worry, I'm voting...
vote: Andres
imo his case is the strongest atm...
How so?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:16
You need to bold your vote. Also, Andres is spelled S-c-i-e-n-t-e-r.
You are full of it, Andres, and I intend to show why.
DAY ONE
GE votes Csargo
B_Ray votes Who
ATPG votes Scienter
Zack votes ATPG
DE votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes DE
Reenk votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Scienter votes Whoami
JHT votes Zack
Whoami votes Reenk
TLD votes God Emperor
ATPG unvotes, votes Whoami
Csargo votes Andres
Visor votes TLD
TLD unvotes, votes Whoami
Robbiecon votes Yaseikhaan
Chaotix votes Sasaki
Andres votes God Emperor
Zack unvotes, votes JHT
Chaotix unvotes, votes God Emperor
Who am i?: 4 (B_Ray, Scienter, ATPG, TheLastDays)
Zack: 3 (Diamondeye, Reenk, JHT)
God Emperor: 2 (Andres, Chaotix)
Csargo: 1 (God Emperor)
Andres: 1 (Csargo)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Who am i?)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (robbiecon)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
johnhughthom: 1 (Zack)
Not voting: 2 (khaan, Renata)
DAY TWO
Zack votes B_Ray
Csargo votes Zack
Reenk votes Zack
B_Ray votes Zack
Zack unvotes, votes Reenk
Chaotix votes God Emperor
ATPG votes Visorslash
Visorslash votes Reenk
TLD votes ATPG
Visorslash unvotes, votes Visorslash
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Andres votes Scienter
DE votes Reenk
Yaseikhaan votes B_Ray
JHT votes TLD
God Emperor votes Zack
TLD unvotes, votes Zack
Scienter votes Andres
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
Zack: 5 (Csargo, Reenk, B_Ray, God Emperor, TheLastDays)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Zack, Diamondeye)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Visorslash: 1 (Visorslash)
Andres: 1 (Scienter)
Chaotix: 1 (ATPG)
Scienter: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (khaan)
TheLastDays: 1 (JHT)
Not voting: 1 (robbiecon)
DAY THREE
Chaotix votes ATPG
ATPG votes Chaotix
TLD votes Scienter
Andres votes TLD
Diamondeye votes B_Ray
Visorslash votes Visorslash
Visorslash unvotes, votes Csargo
Andres unvotes, votes Visorslash
Reenk votes DE
God Emperor votes Chaotix
Yaseikhaan votes DE
Chaotix unvotes, votes Visorslash
JHT votes God Emperor
Chaotix unvotes, votes Zack
Csargo votes Diamondeye
Chaotix unvotes, votes ATPG
B_Ray votes Andres
Scienter votes Chaotix
ATPG unvotes, votes JHT
ATPG unvotes, votes Chaotix
Day 3 tally:
Chaotix: 3 (God Emperor, Scienter, ATPG)
Diamondeye: 3 (Reenk, khaan, Csargo)
God Emperor: 1 (JHT)
Scienter: 1 (TheLastDays)
Visorslash: 1 (Andres)
B_Ray: 1 (Diamondeye)
Csargo: 1 (Visorslash)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Andres: 1 (B_Ray)
Yaseikhaan votes DE
ATPG votes Chaotix
JHT votes Chaotix
B_Ray votes DE
Csargo votes DE
Reenk votes DE
Visorslash votes Chaotix
TLD votes DE
Andres votes Chaotix
DE votes Chaotix
Andres unvotes, votes DE
Scienter votes Chaotix
Chaotix votes DE
Day 3a tally:
Diamondeye: 7 (khaan, B_Ray, Csargo, Reenk, TheLastDays, Andres, Chaotix)
Chaotix: 5 (ATPG, JHT, Visorslash, Scienter, Diamondeye)
Not voting: 1 (God Emperor)
Day 3 you didn't follow up on Scienter, and Scienter didn't follow up on you.
In fact, you didn't follow up on Scienter again until day four, when Chaotix and God Emperor were the likely lynches already. You never put her in any real danger, in fact it was Khaan and myself who nearly got her killed, and the tie was broken by B_ray and Visor.
Later, I went after you hard, and now you're insisting on her death, in a single-minded and fakey fashion.
I conclude from this that it's actually quite possible that Scienter herself is your partner, oh king of the WIFOM. Now that you're my top suspect, you wish to prove how "serious" you are about wanting her dead, maybe to toss me off the scent?
If this is correct, kudos go to Renata who first proposed such an idea. I actually see where it is plausible now. Voting for Scienter when others are in the lead and there's no chance she'll die = useless vote as townie, distancing as mafia.
Voting for Scienter and campaigning hard for her death when you're a main suspect = further distancing. Especially if I have other suspects lined up instead of her.
Whatever the case may be, your actions are making Pizza see red. You're not genuine. There's something majorly wrong with you, Andres. If I'm wrong about that, I'm about due for another hat meal anyway.
Andres, why did you vote TheLastDays on day three?
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:22
What did I do?
Nothing, sweet prince. I was being very silly when I assumed that you would vote for me out of nervousness. That's completely against everything I know about you to date. You don't react to pressure in a way that is serious, ever. You're better than us, like that.
Sweet prince? :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:29
Sweet prince? :inquisitive:
He's my rock candy. Sweet, with a hard rugged body.
I'm not entirely convinced of my own reasoning (though what else is new), but regardless Andres and Scienter should both die. Both are legitimately scummy. If it's neither of them and no mafia have been lynched already, it's either lurker scum like a Csargo/Khaan pair (and the town has failed already by not pressuring them while it was still early enough to afford to do so -- instead of, for instance, ZACK :brood: ); or it's someone doing something fairly clever.
Here's the case on Scienter that Andres has persistently failed to highlight while simultaneously calling for her head:
Vote : Scienter
Game over for you, mafiosa :stare: You might as well confess, you murderer :stare:
Andres does his best impression of Sasaki.
:inquisitive: What makes you think I killed her?
Deflecting -- there's no possible case at this point, no need to take this seriously. So why does she?
I find it interesting that both you and APTG have randomly voted for me. If you don't think I'm mafia, why would you vote for me? Shouldn't you be trying to uncover the scum?
FoS:Andres
"I find it interesting" is one of the scummier phrases out there. "Yeah, right, vote: Andres" -- that's genuine. "I find it interesting (insinuate, insinuate, insinuate), FOS Andres" -- scum.
You yourself said that it was nonsensical. :inquisitive:
Vote: Andres
Finally, the vote comes, at a point when Andres is in no danger of lynch. Scienter's never voted Andres since (unless she did at some point today).
Whether this is distancing or not, it is clearly suspicious from Scienter. The cautious, step-wise approach to accusing someone screams of unnerved mafia; the lack of follow-up only emphasizes the point. There are other scummy posts from her, but this is the best sequence to demonstrate it.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:34
"I find it interesting" is a scum tell, I agree. There are some phrases which are just plain fake.
And JHT makes a fairly good partner for Scienter if it's not Andres. His votes minus day one have been SAFESAFESAFE, and I think the only time he questioned anything all game was to ask what the case was on Scienter yesterday ... flinch? I've said before the only way to reliably nail JHT is to pressure a partner; he is quite vulnerable that way.
"I find it interesting" is a scum tell, I agree. There are some phrases which are just plain fake.
I find that interesting. Unvote:, Vote:Scienter
If it's neither of them and no mafia have been lynched already, it's either lurker scum like a Csargo/Khaan pair (and the town has failed already by not pressuring them while it was still early enough to afford to do so -- instead of, for instance, ZACK )
Hey, hey, hey, words hurt to you know :sad:
I find that interesting. Unvote; Vote: Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:43
And there are some players who are just plain cornballs.
Couldn't resist. :P
Unvote; Vote: Andres
And there are some players who are just plain cornballs.
This is a new experience for me. I have never heard anyone call someone a cornball.
Some people just refuse to take the game seriously. I still haven't come to terms with that, myself.
The game seriously, or those members seriously?
I take it seriously. Occasionally. Just lightening the mood. We're all like: You're scum, NO U!, etc. We need scum jokes.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 14:58
Some people just refuse to take the game seriously. I still haven't come to terms with that, myself.
Games are serious business. ~:pimp:
If you're not getting completely frustrated and cursing the day you ever decided to join, you're doin it rong. :clown:
The game, of course. I'm trying to mellow. Sort of.
I'm just having a bit of fun. I do think Andres has a whiff of scum.
Diamondeye
05-19-2011, 15:17
The game, of course. I'm trying to mellow. Sort of.
https://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/Lobster667/MelloDeathNote.jpg
Mello?
If considering me scummy and lynching me is what is needed to get Scienter lynched, then I can live with that. One dead townie for a dead scum is a good deal.
Now, since the general consensus is that both me and Scienter are scummy, I assume you wouldn't mind lynching her first? Ladies first and all that. I'm a gentleman and I wouldn't want to offend the lady by cutting in line.
Andres, why did you vote TheLastDays on day three?
That's like asking "where were you at the time of the murder, September 23d, 2003, at 9.34 pm".
How would I know? What did I say in that specific post? That's probably the reason, I guess.
Vote : TheLastDays
Why? What did he do to warrant your vote? Speak :whip:
Reenk Roink
05-19-2011, 16:10
I think Andres isn't being evasive (at least not to the degree before) now. He's given responses to every important issue. Now the issue is whether his responses are satisfying. I think the whole Scienter thing is somewhat contrived sounding. Continually going after her as a strong opinion also.
Renata, I don't like that case on Scienter. For example, the deflecting and taking it seriously charge is a really uncharitable interpretation of that. It was a one liner comment for godssake. Also, I FIND IT INTERESTING that you base your case on certain examples of phraseology. :wall: Scienter may seem fake, but I think there's better examples than what you've chosen.
Also, you should be thanking people like khaan and Csar for keeping a bit quiet. How much more difficult would it be for you analytical players to do your thing if there was more irrelevant information out there? Just because they don't play the game like you doesn't mean they aren't taking it seriously.
We've milked this Andres Atpg/Chaotix thing almost fully, the Scienter thing will continue further, and we have targeted lynch choices for this meantime. Much better than getting drowned in information unusable at the moment. Focus on lynching one of Andres, Atpg, Chaotix or maybe Scienter today.
If anyone has something to say about an unrelated matter hold it for now (use your discretion of course, something really good might be worth saying).
john bothers me. But I don't want to say anything further yet on him.
johnhughthom
05-19-2011, 16:10
I've said before the only way to reliably nail JHT is to pressure a partner; he is quite vulnerable that way.
Interesting.
Reenk Roink
05-19-2011, 16:15
By the way, just saw from Atpg's log that it was Visorslash who voted me. :angry: Please have him dead before the end of game, Mafia or town. :bow:
Reenk, you are such a pain in my hind end.
seireikhaan
05-19-2011, 18:52
I'm of two minds, presently.
While it is necessary and prudent to find someone you think is suspicious and must die, you must always consider alternatives.
I'm either right or wrong on Andres. The odds suggest I'm wrong, but I have some faith in my ability to spot scummy behavior. That said, if I am wrong, the very safest thing for the scumbags to do is just let all this discussion tear the townies apart as they accuse each other.
So, if I am wrong on Andres, I would wager that one of the folks who hasn't spoken yet this round is guilty and loving this. A typical Yaseikhaan tactic, so I'll place a Finger of Suspicion on my old nemesis.
FoS: Yaseikhaan for watching us fail.
Two tests tomorrow, sweetie, and my profs seem to think that 30 hours a day is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to devote to school in what's turning out to be a lovely Iowa May. I'll give you that's not really a valid excuse for me acting like.. uh.. me, I guess, but anywhos....
I recall a bit ago you had a really spot on scum catch, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Vote: Andres
GeneralHankerchief
05-19-2011, 20:30
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
05-19-2011, 20:50
Clinton, Iowa
Day 5
Well now, certainly, the battle lines were drawn. The evolution from the voting being a disorganized cacophony of voices being thrown every which way to an organized cacophony going in only two or three directions was finally complete. Where once there was chaos, there was now order, but none of the vitriol had been lost in the transition. If anything, the debate had grown even more heated, with even more volume being generated than in previous days despite the fact that there only nine people still alive.
The debate today had focused on two major points: Andres coming out hard against Scienter, and Askthepizzaguy coming out equally hard against Andres. In a previous life, before he had decided to take to the road, Andres had been a lawyer, and a successful one at that. It showed in all of his vociferous arguments against Scienter and even more so in his defense against himself against ATPG by ignoring the strong points made against him and focusing on the weak ones.
What had prompted Andres to give up the lawyerly life and instead become one of them, nobody had ever bothered to ask. There was precious little small talk amongst the campers, given their situation. This talk of course became even less when it looked as if the person who they were sharing their secrets with might kill them the very next night. So, the story of Andres, epic and heartfelt and real as it was, no more or less true than the rest of theirs, would go untold, as in all likelihood most of the rest of theirs. Instead, Andres's only story would be that of his execution, for he eventually lost out in his argument.
People would sit around the fire and in their tents and reflect on the way Andres, tired of the anticipation, would take the largest flaming log and bash his own head in, his final words being that it was only fitting that it would end this way because this is what he felt like he had been doing for the past two days anyway. They would do that, and then in their final thoughts before getting what passed for sleep nowadays, would wonder if this would be the last night.
And all the while, the soggy conditions finally started to improve.
Day 5 tally:
Andres: 6 (ATPG, JHT, Scienter, Visorslash, TheLastDays, khaan) :skull:
Scienter: 2 (Andres, Csargo)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: 8
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
It is now Night 5. This phase will last approximately 24 hours.
Diamondeye
05-19-2011, 20:52
Phial.
We need to hang Scienter methinks.
Askthepizzaguy
05-19-2011, 21:56
Phial.
We need to hang Scienter methinks.
Agreed.
https://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd53/Lobster667/MelloDeathNote.jpg
Mello?
https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/near.jpg
I was near voting you for that post.
Askthepizzaguy
05-20-2011, 00:06
I was near voting you for that post.
Sure, because if I remember correctly, you've "forgotten" who is alive or playing at least twice already. Three times wouldn't be seen as fake. No sir.
Sure, because if I remember correctly, you've "forgotten" who is alive or playing at least twice already. Three times wouldn't be seen as fake. No sir.
Once again, you are apparently only capable of attacking the posts of mine which happen to be clearly jokes. I already told you I was going to keep voting you till you die.
SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM
Askthepizzaguy
05-20-2011, 06:08
Once again, you are apparently only capable of attacking the posts of mine which happen to be clearly jokes. I already told you I was going to keep voting you till you die.
SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM
SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM, I said it more than you, you're obviously guilty.
johnhughthom
05-20-2011, 06:09
I still don't see the case on Scienter. I was going to put some sort of scum buddy related humour here, but it has been ruined by Visorslash and Pizza for this game. Overdone guys, not cool, not cool at all.
Askthepizzaguy
05-20-2011, 06:10
I still don't see the case on Scienter. I was going to put some sort of scum buddy related humour here, but it has been ruined by Visorslash and Pizza for this game. Overdone guys, not cool, not cool at all.
That does it, I am murdering you tonight.
I still don't see the case on Scienter. I was going to put some sort of scum buddy related humour here, but it has been ruined by Visorslash and Pizza for this game. Overdone guys, not cool, not cool at all.
He's onto us. You know what to do.
TheLastDays
05-20-2011, 07:55
Maybe, with just 2-3 lynches left we should start focusing on Mafia? I think right now it would be relevant to know if there's actually one or two of them left... So where are the connections of the living to those that have been executed?
GeneralHankerchief
05-20-2011, 21:22
Clinton, Iowa
Night 5
During the previous day's voting, Chaotix had taken some time away to go off by himself and examine the Mississippi River for himself, as it was visible from the campground. This is what he saw:
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/800px-Eagle_Point_Park.jpg
It was still too high. Too high meant too wet meant the roads were too muddy meant they were still trapped. So was Chaotix going to wait around and trust in his fellow man to end the threat once and for all? No, of course not. His lack of trust in his fellow man was what spurred Chaotix on to take to the road life in the first place. People had failed him before, and he would make absolutely certain that they would not fail him again. Yes, the Mississippi was high. Yes, it was pitch black out. Yes, the current was strong. But Chaotix was very much in shape, and he would swim to freedom. He didn't even need to reach the opposite bank, just traveling far enough down the river to get away from the campground would be good enough.
So, abandoning most of his possessions (he would get them back in some form or another, and besides, they weren't important in the relative scheme of things anyway. Chaotix would have his life and his sanity. Anything beyond those was superficial. He took a deep breath, took a step back, and dove in. The first thing he felt was obviously the shock - the Mississippi was cold. Doing little more than treading water for a minute or two, Chaotix tried to warm himself up. After about five minutes, he was sufficiently adjusted to the point where he'd be able to begin swimming.
Unfortunately, those five minutes cost him dearly. For the killer had been watching him the entire time, and making a preparation of his own. Grunting, he lugged the large radio from somebody's tent to the banks of the Mississippi, turned it on... and threw it in. There was a loud *bang!* as the radio shorted out, and then silence. Chaotix had finally begun flowing down the Mississippi, but as a corpse.
The next morning, with seven left, the situation started to get desperate. That and there was no longer a radio present to distract the campers from their situation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
It is now Day 6. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
05-20-2011, 21:42
Vote: Scienter
Just a couple of things of interest from looking at the votes from the previous rounds:
TheLastDays has voted for the person lynched on every day.
ATPG has voted for the person lynched 3 out of 5 rounds
Csargo has voted for the person lynched 3 out of 5 rounds
ATPG and Scienter have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds(4 if you want to count Day 4 where ATPG switched his vote from Chaotix to Scienter towards the end of the round making it a tie. Scienter was never in danger since ATPG could have changed his vote at any time. They've also focused on Chaotix mainly up until the Andres lynch.
ATPG and Scienter have voted an innocent twice(Chaotix in both cases)
ATPG has also voted with JHT, TLD, and Visorslah 3 out of 5 rounds
Csargo and TLD have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds
JHT and Visorslash have voted together 3 out of 5 rounds
I have a strong feeling that ATPG is guilty. Scienter may be as well, but I'm not as sure. TLD is also a possibility but that's only because he's been in on every lynch.
Vote:ATPG
That's not a case, that's a bunch of numbers.
I mean, voting for the person who gets lynched every day (TLD), that takes some doing. Never doing it, or doing it only once, that'd be interesting. Does anyone fit that profile? Doing it 3 of 5 times is pretty near average -- and I'm still waiting on a scum motive for the vote change at the end of day one (which TLD also did).
AtPG able to change his vote at any time after putting Scienter into a tie? You have to be kidding me. Even ATPG gets lynched six ways from Sunday after doing something like that, followed by Scienter. That's not only lack of motive, that's negative motive. While not impossible they could be teammates and him bussing her there, your logic in trying to draw the connection is crazy.
Voting a known innocent twice, as proven only last night with Chaotix' death? Do I smell a frame-up here, Csargo?
Since when is voting together a scum tactic? Scum instinct is generally to avoid one another wherever practical, not the opposite. Other than Scienter, no one left alive has ever been in any danger of lynch, so other than Scienter, you'll have a hard time convincing me the scum would have really given a flying fig about any of the lynches and hence had motive to vote together anywhere (if both are still alive).
(It's not impossible he's mafia, but just this case only really serves to make me more suspicious of you.)
I mean, voting for the person who gets lynched every day (TLD), that takes some doing. Never doing it, or doing it only once, that'd be interesting. Does anyone fit that profile? Doing it 3 of 5 times is pretty near average -- and I'm still waiting on a scum motive for the vote change at the end of day one (which TLD also did).
I only pointed it out because I found it interesting.
AtPG able to change his vote at any time after putting Scienter into a tie? You have to be kidding me. Even ATPG gets lynched six ways from Sunday after doing something like that, followed by Scienter. That's not only lack of motive, that's negative motive. While not impossible they could be teammates and him bussing her there, your logic in trying to draw the connection is crazy.
Just pointing out a possibility, not a fact. Arguing about it is pointless though.
Voting a known innocent twice, as proven only last night with Chaotix' death? Do I smell a frame-up here, Csargo?
I don't understand why the time-frame matters. Does he become more or less innocent as time goes on? I've played enough to know that's not a good move.
Since when is voting together a scum tactic? Scum instinct is generally to avoid one another wherever practical, not the opposite. Other than Scienter, no one left alive has ever been in any danger of lynch, so other than Scienter, you'll have a hard time convincing me the scum would have really given a flying fig about any of the lynches and hence had motive to vote together anywhere (if both are still alive).
I didn't realize.
(It's not impossible he's mafia, but just this case only really serves to make me more suspicious of you.)
And now you know why I'm not ever serious.
Awrighty. I still want Scienter lynched today.
Yes, your majesty. I :bow: to your infinite wisdom.
Vote: Scienter
Yes?
Unvote:, Vote:Visorslash
Your lack of seriousness disturbs me.
Oh, look at that.
Andres is dead.
Chaotix is dead.
Now the only people who were going after ATPG are dead and gone.
And guess who's going to get a free ride to the finish line?
Well played, ATPG, you've got the game in your pocket now.
:D As long as they suspect Pizza, they will never suspect me! MWHAHAHAH!
We're going to get away with it scumbuddy!
I'm torn between Visor and ATPG. Where's RR when you need him? :sad:
Why did you vote Scienter Visor?
Cause her majesty said to.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 07:10
Oh, look at that.
Andres is dead.
Chaotix is dead.
Now the only people who were going after ATPG are dead and gone.
And guess who's going to get a free ride to the finish line?
Well played, ATPG, you've got the game in your pocket now.
So, if you had a suspect besides Askthepizzaguy, who would it be.
Echoing Winston Hughes in the previous vanilla game.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 07:11
I'm torn between Visor and ATPG. Where's RR when you need him? :sad:
Why did you vote Scienter Visor?
I am going to vote for you next round, Csargo. Your behavior is at least as scummy as Scienter's. Reason: You actually assembled some sort of case. That's like Lord Winter voting every round. It just doesn't happen.
I am going to vote for you next round, Csargo. Your behavior is at least as scummy as Scienter's. Reason: You actually assembled some sort of case. That's like Lord Winter voting every round. It just doesn't happen.
What? I did no such thing. I tend to agree with Renata, they're just a bunch of numbers.
What do you think of Visor? He's pretty scummy right?
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 07:22
What? I did no such thing. I tend to agree with Renata, they're just a bunch of numbers.
The fact that you would even post a bunch of numbers makes me raise my eyebrow at you.
Serious Csargo is Seriously Guilty. :beam:
Now that I think about it, I AM pretty scummy. I should probably be killed.
Such is life. Unvote; Vote: Visorslash
The fact that you would even post a bunch of numbers makes me raise my eyebrow at you.
Serious Csargo is Seriously Guilty. :beam:
I blame Renata.
This is a lose-lose situation for me. If I'm not serious I'm scum and if I try and fail terribly I'm also scum. This is my lot in life it seems. :sad:
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 07:27
I blame Renata.
This is a lose-lose situation for me. If I'm not serious I'm scum and if I try and fail terribly I'm also scum. This is my lot in life it seems. :sad:
Where is that stoic Csargo that barely even notices when he gets voted? I miss that guy.
Now that I think about it, I AM pretty scummy. I should probably be killed.
Such is life. Unvote; Vote: Visorslash
I'm glad you've joined my side. Welcome aboard the USS Failboat, where winning just isn't an option!
Where is that stoic Csargo that barely even notices when he gets voted? I miss that guy.
Since I haven't been voted yet, I'm still that guy I think. Can't you see I'm trying harder now? HOW COME YOU WON'T SUPPORT ME IN THIS?!?!?!
Also, I see you are ignoring my questions.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 07:31
Since I haven't been voted yet, I'm still that guy I think. Can't you see I'm trying harder now? HOW COME YOU WON'T SUPPORT ME IN THIS?!?!?!
Also, I see you are ignoring my questions.
Why are you trying harder? What changed for this game?
And yeah, I'll answer your questions when I'm not doing the Revengening round over stuff.
I'm glad you've joined my side. Welcome aboard the USS Failboat, where winning just isn't an option!
Where to captain?
To Scienter you say? Yarr!
Unvote; Vote: Scienter
Why are you trying harder? What changed for this game?
And yeah, I'll answer your questions when I'm not doing the Revengening round over stuff.
The question you should ask yourself is: why aren't you trying harder?
There were some terribly hurtful words said about a lack of seriousness. Which weren't really hurtful, more eye opening if you will. I thought maybe I should take the game more seriously, so that's what I'm doing.
You'll walk the plank next landlubber! Yarr!
To Scienter you say? Yarr!
Unvote; Vote: Scienter
Ye be heading for the rocks sailor! Should be heading over hither, to the island of TheLastDays, ye should.
Sailor! Ye be sleeping with the fishes if ye were to sail in that direction! There's rats in our Csargo, we need to kill them first!
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 08:08
The question you should ask yourself is: why aren't you trying harder?
There were some terribly hurtful words said about a lack of seriousness. Which weren't really hurtful, more eye opening if you will. I thought maybe I should take the game more seriously, so that's what I'm doing.
You know the last time I let your sudden spike in activity slide, you were townie. So, okay, I can buy that.
You know the last time I let your sudden spike in activity slide, you were townie. So, okay, I can buy that.
What. You know perfectly well that doesn't ring true.
Unvote; Vote: ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 09:57
What. You know perfectly well that doesn't ring true.
Unvote; Vote: ATPG
:shrug:
The last time he was unusually active was during a Swords and D20's game, and my first instinct was to lynch him for it, because I figured it must have meant he had a good role.
Instead, I refrained from punishing him for actually playing, and he turned out to be townie, and not even like a power role townie, and the mafia got pwned.
His acting like he cares isn't necessarily a scum tell. It is unusual, but it's not a tell.
If it's true in one case, it doesn't prove true for all.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 09:58
If it's true in one case, it doesn't prove true for all.
I'm not suggesting it proves he's innocent. I am suggesting it proves nothing.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:06
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
You can still safely lynch me today. Tomorrow is the round where if you mislynch, you lose.
This will allow Chaotix to move onto a different suspect, and allow the rest of you guys to focus.
I am suggesting it proves nothing.
You know the last time I let your sudden spike in activity slide, you were townie. So, okay, I can buy that.
But you did drop your suspicion a bit. I'll be watching to see the other votes.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:19
But you did drop your suspicion a bit. I'll be watching to see the other votes.
Yes, there's a change in perspective. After I finished up with Revengening, I had a few moments to clear my head, and I realized I was going after Csargo for being active, which isn't much of a reason. The other reason I suspected him was because he's been creeping towards trying to lynch me, and acting all serious about it. It tears my little heart to pieces.
But what are you gonna do? I think it's Scienter. But, since you and Csargo suspect me, and I have dead people calling for my head, I sincerely doubt I'll get her lynched today. She's not even voting for me yet. I figure my best chance to lynch her is after I'm dead.
I don't suspect you for what you're doing currently. I just want an answer. And that satisfies me.
Unvote; Vote: Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:29
Hmmm....
Yaseikhaan- Not getting a really townie vibe from this guy.
Visorslash- Isn't acting cautious at all, which I like.
Csargo- More active than usual. Go Csargo! Woot!
johnhughthom- I can't read him, so why bother. Still hoping the mafia will pick him off.
Scienter- I like the idea of her being Andres' partner. Maybe I like that idea too much. Looking around for second place candidates.
Askthepizzaguy- I know I'm innocent, but I'm sure I'm acting like total scum right now, yay.
TheLastDays- his voting pattern is too consistent. It's as if he doesn't care who dies, as long as it is not him. I like it!
I'd have to go with Yaseikhaan for my second place pick. There's nothing about his play which strikes me as being actually concerned with townie victory, just safe lurking every round, which is his preferred tactic.
Visorslash- Isn't acting cautious at all, which I like.
That's actually seeming like a decent tactic every game. If I don't play it safe, I don't get lynched.
Whoever dies after Scienter should narrow it down, unfortunately I suspect that it will be me.
I'm looking towards Pizza, Scienter, Cargo and TLD, atm.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:40
unvote, vote: Scienter
With a promise to vote for Khaan tomorrow.
Diamondeye
05-21-2011, 10:41
Scienter is my first suspect.
ATPG is my second.
Csargo is third.
My suspiscion of you just increased. But I want Scienter dead first.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:45
My suspiscion of you just increased. But I want Scienter dead first.
You know what? That's fine. I realize I put way too much effort into trying to avoid being the tempting last-round lynch target. I need to realize that it is not my fault when that happens. I look scummy anyway. At least I get another shot at the scums today.
Do your worst! :laugh4:
You know what? That's fine. I realize I put way too much effort into trying to avoid being the tempting last-round lynch target. I need to realize that it is not my fault when that happens. I look scummy anyway. At least I get another shot at the scums today.
I'm watching you Pizzaman.
Do your worst!
I am.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:51
I'm watching you Pizzaman.
I'm not going to vote for you or TheLastDays tomorrow.
I'm probably not going to vote for Johnhughthom.
If I survive to the next round, my votes will be on Scienter (if she's still alive) followed by Yaseikhaan, or Csargo if Khaan is dead.
Those are my picks. Do with them what you like.
Just curious, why aren't people voting me? Is it because of my acts of carefree abandon?
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 10:57
Just curious, why aren't people voting me? Is it because of my acts of carefree abandon?
So far, you're acting more reckless than I'd expect from you as mafia, not that I know what you're like as mafia, and you're actively voting, so on the chance you're townie I don't have to worry about a lack of voting on the final round, and I have more suspicions on other targets.
not that I know what you're like as mafia
I wouldn't know either, to tell the truth.
I don't have to worry about a lack of voting on the final round
:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 11:04
By the way, I hate to break it to you Visor, but TheLastDays is actually my scum partner, not you.
Sorry.:flowers:
He can afford a better knife, is that it? He can kill more innocents per night than I can? I can change, PLEASE LET ME CHANGE!!!!!
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 11:06
He can afford a better knife, is that it? He can kill more innocents per night than I can? I can change, PLEASE LET ME CHANGE!!!!!
Promise not to vote for him next round, that's all I ask.
And then we can go back to the old days? Promise?
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 11:13
And then we can go back to the old days? Promise?
There will be players coming soon who shall speak ill of me. They shall accuse me of deeds most dastardly and murder most foul. But you must realize they are just jealous of the size of your knife, and wish to pretend they have bigger and better knives. You must murder them.
Then, I will promise to be yours.
We shall bathe in their blood like in the days of yore. It shall run down into the rivers and lakes and all shall be well.
They shall not survive.
johnhughthom
05-21-2011, 14:08
Vote: khaan
I'd like to hear more from the horsey man. And less from Pizza and Visorslash.
seireikhaan
05-21-2011, 16:56
Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.
Askthepizzaguy
05-21-2011, 18:38
Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.
Of course you wouldn't, scum.
Hat handed to you by summer courses, but you still find time to murder people. Tsk tsk. I see what's really important to you.
Not to worry, I will do everything I can to make sure you die. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.... well hopefully today or tomorrow.
Grar... I told you, I've been getting my hat handed to me by my summer courses. Vote:Askthepizzaguy Because you being alive now means you'll never die, and I don't want to take that risk.
Is that your only reason?
GeneralHankerchief
05-21-2011, 21:30
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
05-21-2011, 21:55
Clinton, Iowa
Day 6
Seven souls sat around a campfire, arguing back and forth. It had come down to this; ten had died, and there were enough people left for them to share a smaller amount of space. The soggy campground in Clinton looked larger and more ominous than ever. And while the campers banded closer together more on human instinct than anything else, their now-daily discussion and arguments were no less heated, their paranoia no less intense. They drew closer to each other, but they still trusted no one.
Two of their number were silent for the day - Scienter and TheLastDays. Instead of participating in the voting, you see, Scienter decided to take a day off and jog as well as rack her brains for cooking recipes that would be able to be used under the current conditions as an intellectual exercise. She eventually came up with nothing (there wasn't much you could do with grass and tree bark), but at least she got some jogging in. After all, assuming she survived this, she would still need to be in shape for the road ahead.
All in all, however, this proved to be quite unfortunate for Scienter as she ultimately ended up receiving the most votes. This wasn't by a very large margin - the voting went 2-1-1-1 - but by the unspoken rules that the campers had been adhering to since the very first day, it was enough. A very chagrined Scienter slowly and deliberately walked up to the campfire... and kept running. All of her jogging would at least be able to give her an advantage in this, at least. She had no idea where she would run to - the road was still far too flooded, and the woods were thick - but anything was better than this-
All thoughts, both of escape and otherwise, went out of Scienter's head as she tripped over the large flaming log. She knew immediately as she went down that her ankle had been twisted. Scienter would do no more running today, and tried to look as noble and impassive as possible as someone picked up the log she had just tripped over and brought it down on her head.
Day 6 tally:
Scienter: 2 (Visorslash, ATPG) :skull:
Visorslash: 1 (Csargo)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (khaan)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (JHT)
Not voting: 2 (Scienter, TheLastDays)
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Still alive: 6
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink
B_Ray
Chaotix
Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor
Andres
Scienter
It is now Night 6. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.
TheLastDays
05-21-2011, 22:02
Errr... Sorry for not being active today. I'm not at home atm and my posting opportunities where I am are scarce... I'll be back to normal Tomorrow though, late afternoon/evening (my time, which is GMT+1)
So to the case: I usually try to vote who I feel is the best suspect out of those who seem to have a serious "chance" of being lynched... I do feel myself at a slight disadvantage, not knowing you guys' playing style since I'm rather new around here...
What I did get is that Khaan and Csargo obviously have the reputation of lurking as scum and the killing of Chaotix, further dividing the more "active" players, looks like lurker tactic to me... Esp effective as Chaotix himself, now proven innocent, has taken the stand against his alleged murderer ATPG, which is the best thing that can happen to lurker scum As of course they couldn't point us at it themselves As that would undermine their own strategy...
I wished I could have been more active Today but right now Csargo or Khaan are my top suspects
Scienter
05-21-2011, 23:01
Good luck, town! :grin:
What I did get is that Khaan and Csargo obviously have the reputation of lurking as scum and the killing of Chaotix, further dividing the more "active" players, looks like lurker tactic to me... Esp effective as Chaotix himself, now proven innocent, has taken the stand against his alleged murderer ATPG, which is the best thing that can happen to lurker scum As of course they couldn't point us at it themselves As that would undermine their own strategy...
I wished I could have been more active Today but right now Csargo or Khaan are my top suspects
I don't see how you can call me a lurker when I've been far more active than you have.
Scum are ATPG and Scienter, ATPG bussed Scienter to get himself a free ride to the end.
There you go.
Alternatively, TheLastDays is scum.
Either way, Csargo seems genuinely innocent. Can't say for anyone else.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2011, 05:18
Alternatively
:laugh4: Indeed.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2011, 05:33
Quick FYI, I'll be out tomorrow and the writeup may be late by an hour or two.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2011, 06:08
Khaan! You know you want the satisfaction of killing me. Make it bloody. Make it funny. Make it degrading. But for the love of pizza, kill pizza.
seireikhaan
05-22-2011, 06:11
Khaan! You know you want the satisfaction of killing me. Make it bloody. Make it funny. Make it degrading. But for the love of pizza, kill pizza.
Noap. You get to keep living in this awful, terrible existence. That's your punishment.
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