[SS 6.4] Clash of Gods! OOC - winners Silver Shield, LooseCannon1 and Mithridate

[Myth]

https://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2866/clashofgods1200.jpg

IC thread. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136330-Clash-of-Gods-IC-Diplomacy-thread&p=2053332477#post2053332477)
Recruitment thread. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?134098-Clash-of-Gods!-RECRUITING!&p=2053283237#post2053283237)

Points:

Catholics: 75/100
Muslims: 100/100

His Holiness Pope Paschalis the Peaceful seemed burdened today. An aged man of forty, he had leaned his head back and stared at the richly decorated ceiling of the basilica, silently contemplating what he had just heard.

"Your Holiness, it seems the Crusader States have allied themselves with the Muslims and have rejected all of our summons. Pilgrims are now required to pay a toll to see the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. The Fatamids, Moors and Kwazremians are all reported to be gathering for Jihad. We fear the worst - that they may attempt a second invasion of Europe, and this time there is no Charlemagne to pit a united Europe against them!"

The Pope exhaled deeply and slowly stood up. His brown eyes were not as calm as they were but mere months ago.

"Summon the faithful. We must call the banners of Catholic Europe once more. This time there shall be no stopping until every city of note is converted in the one true faith of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ!"

"Your grace, you mean..."

"I mean what I just said. Summon them. All of them. And send them to wage war in the name of God! And bring me the leaders of these former Crusader States here, in chains, so that they may be judged."

The messenger stormed off, just as the bells of the basilica started ringing - loudly, like the thunderous wrath of God. The wrath that the Muslims would feel soon upon their petty souls.


***

The Caliph finished his morning prayer and stood up slowly. He was very healthy for his age, most men at fifty two were without teeth and taken with the gout or other such maladies. Al-Musta'li ran his hand trough his hair and breathed in the sweet smell of blooming orange trees that came outside his terrace, from the luscious garden below.

"So, the Catholics have once again began to mass their armies and turn their hungry gaze towards the lands of the faithful?"

"Yes indeed great Caliph. Our brothers in faith have reported gatherings in Rome and talk of massive preparations for war amongst the Western infidels."

"Why could not they be more civilized. Perhaps they lack exposure to our culture, unlike their brethren from the Crusader States."

"It is strange, exalted Caliph, that Crusaders should aid us against Crusaders."

"If it is Allah's will, then so be it. We shall not judge their past, but their actions. Summon the Great Imam. We must call Jihad!"

The emissary swallowed and dared raise his gaze from the ground.

"We ride to war, great Caliph?"

"We ride to Holy War, and to once and for all put a stop to the Western aggression. Saddle my horse, and gather the Mamluks." His voice was hard, and his face - stern. As if it had been cut from the hard stone that lurked beneath the desert. Outside, the sun shone brightly, like an angry yellow dot, or the eye of Allah looking down disapprovingly on the infidels.



CLASH OF GODS

And so it begins...

Catholics:
Myself as the Kingdom of England
Thanatos Eclipse as the Kingdom of León-Castile
Nightbringer as the Republic of Venice
slysnake as the Kingdom of France

vs.

Muslims:
Silver Shield as the Crusader States
LooseCannon1 as the Moorish Caliphate and the Khwarezmian Empire
Mithridate Seljuk Sultanate


Victory conditions:

he first side to accumulate 100 points wins! Points are related to the respective side's target cities:

Catholics: Need to hold Alexandria, Mecca, Antioch, Cordoba, Baghdad, Cairo
Muslims: Need to hold Rome, Venice, Leon, Paris, Hamburg, London.

Jerusalem is a special target city. Both sides need to hold it and have it at 100% of their religion before victory is declared, but it does not grant points!

Points are measured as such:

Capture target city: 10 points.
Hold target city: 5 points every turn.
Convert target city to 50% of your faith: 5 points (only if holding the settlement, awarded once)
Convert target city to 100% of your faith: 15 points (only if holding the settlement, awarded once)

Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn (not counting weekends). After that the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed.

Do not attack ships in ports.

Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.

Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.

Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)

No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them. (Surround&Destroy)

Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)

Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.

Enable "Unlimited men on battlefield" in order to not abuse when leading battles vs the AI (PM me for instructions, though SS has this on by default)

Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.

Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.

Spies cannot open settlements of any kind.

Assassins are allowed to target anyone but the players are limited to one assassination attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else. Upon a successful assassination the game admin will load that player's save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

Crusades and Jihads can be joined and called but only at the respective religion's target cities! Cahtolics may bribe the pope so they can call the Crusade where they need to. Muslims can grab an imam and call it themselves.

ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.

No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.

No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins.

How to set up your game:

Go to your SS 6.3 folder (it's named 6.3 even if you have patched it to 6.4), and run "SS_setup.exe"

When the menu pops, select "Early Era Campaign":

https://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8263/eec1.jpg

then, when the setup menu pops up, select "Gracul AI" and "Disable Real Recruitment". Leave all the other checkboxes unchecked.

https://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7027/ms1j.jpg

After that, simply choose OK and Start and Exit.

When the game starts, we pass down the save to the next player in line via PM and in a message here in this thread. Saves are archived (rar, zip etc.) and uploaded in the .org uploader or another similar file hosting service. The game will be set up at VH/VH, follow AI off, Manage All Settlements on, Long campaign, No advice, and there will be a battle time limit.

Helpful tips for those who are new to Hotseat games:

Hotseat is very different from playing SP. If you thought the AI was aggressive, wait until you have to fight some of the veterans on this forum! Some advice I can give you out of my own experience:

- Never leave a settlement undefended. Even if you think the enemy isn't close, he can still grab it if he detaches a single unit of cavalry. And that single unit of cavalry will let him sack your town and haul 3000-4000 gold!
- Develop your roads and ports!
- March your armies side-to-side whenever in enemy territory.
- ALWAYS build forts when in enemy territory because this game allows for fought battles. NEVER allow the enemy the first strike, if you can. Again, always sleep in forts!
- Build forts at choke points and to protect besieging armies (look at how SilverShield does it)
- It is usually a good idea to sack settlements and forgo population boosting buildings. Investing thousands of florins into farms is great for SP where you expect to get to Huge City levels at some point. But Hotseat games get at most 50-60 turns, so the investment will hardly be worth it.
- In lead battles CAVALRY RULES THE FIELD. Heavy cav, Cav archers, even light cav - they all RULE when used right and can wipe out entire armies with inferior numbers. Never ever underestimate the General's Bodyguard. In an Early campaign they will be the unit that kills 200-500 enemies per battle!
- Don't forget that sailing is a vital means of transportation in this game, and that you can blockade land crossings with ships.
- Bring tons of priests when conquering enemy settlements and convert them ASAP so that the unrest is lower and you don't need to spend as much time keeping them from rebelling.
- Enemy castles are the things that make the scary armies. Take their castles and they can't retrain or raise new armies!

[slysnake]

Nice work Myth, love the rules, love the banner, and love the effort you have gone through :) Are we also going to have a Council Thread? Ex-Players of the Dogs Of War 2 hotseat will remember this very well :D

[Myth]

Sure, there will be an IC thread. But I'm waiting for the hotseat issue to be resolved (I have no idea why I can't get it to run). I've also added some tips for the newer players to the bottom of the first post.

[SilverShield]

good thing we going here. u ve been putting a lot of work in that. lets have a good one

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Could we have a link to the files we need for the mod to be set properly? I'd have to run into problems once the game is started!

[phonicsmonkey]

Sure, there will be an IC thread.

You should have a story thread too - the recent hotseats are sorely lacking in good stories. See Commanders of the Faithful or Dogs of War for a good example. Don't be intimidated, you don't have to be Charles Dickens to entertain your fellow players and the lurking crowds with a decent yarn. Some of you were drawn here by the stories, so consider giving back...

Also Myth I don't think you specify in the rules a time limit for completing the turn? We customarily say 48 hours as it gives the GM as excuse to move things along if they are lagging...

[LooseCannon1]

The city of Tyre-do you mean Tortosa?

And its easier to create a shortcut to lead to SS_setup.exe". I'll now have 5 different SS hotseats going with different setups in each.:laugh4:

[Visor]

Gimme Turks instead of Egypt please.

[slysnake]

Gimme Turks instead of Egypt please.

Egypt is OP though! They managed to grow massive in DoW whilst the Turks got crushed by Kiev XD

[phonicsmonkey]

Egypt is OP though! They managed to grow massive in DoW whilst the Turks got crushed by Kiev XD

Excuse me, by Kiev and Hungary. Let's not forget Hungary please!

And in that game Egypt's early explosion of growth was (sadly) largely due to cheating by Merlox who was kicked from the game and the Throne Room for it...

[Nightbringer]

Well, I honestly had a lot more trouble against the turks. They have some tough units and I even had hungary going all out on them at the same time. I basically walked through egypt.
Their lands are so spread out that if they are attacked from the north they can't defend everywhere. Especially if combined with an attack in egypt from te west. I have seen them crumble in multiple games from that exact scenario.
Turkey's lands are nicely bunched together with some nice mountain passes and other choke points they can really defend well, especially since Kiev and Hungary arn't being used in this game.

[ArcturUs]

Gimme Turks instead of Egypt please.

If Visor is turk, I must do a rethink of my strategies. Hmmm.

[Myth]

However, the Fatamids hold Alexandria and Cairo while the Turks own none of the enemy key settlements. You'll still have to keep the Catholics away from these cities.

BTW changed Tyre to Mecca as a requirement for the Catholics.

There are no files that are needed to play this game, just a clean SS 6.4 installation (PM me if you don't know how to set that up). A setup shortcut though, I'll have to research how the commands are added to that.

Turn duration I left open to discussion, though 48 hours on the weekdays sounds fine to me.

[ArcturUs]

Im ok with 48 hrs :thumbsup:

[Myth]

Courtesy of our good Phonicsmonkey we have the save for this game! I have the admin password but we can rely on him as well if things get dicey or i go MIA as he knows it as well. Sicily is first in the turn order, but I'd rater be sure we are all on the same page before we start. Visorslash, are the Turks your final choice of faction?

[Nightbringer]

given these recent switches would it be possible for me to change to venice. If this would be difficult I'm fine with sicily, but venice is now my first choice. :)

ahh indecision, you haunt me at every choice.

[LooseCannon1]

How are player vs. player battles fought here? I ask because at twc its always auto-resolve with battles against AI playable. And before and after screen shots are required to be posted with editing allowed. But nothing has been said about this in the rules and I don't see any battle SSs in some other threads I've looked at.

[slysnake]

However, the Fatamids hold Alexandria and Cairo while the Turks own none of the enemy key settlements. You'll still have to keep the Catholics away from these cities.

BTW changed Tyre to Mecca as a requirement for the Catholics.

There are no files that are needed to play this game, just a clean SS 6.4 installation (PM me if you don't know how to set that up). A setup shortcut though, I'll have to research how the commands are added to that.

Turn duration I left open to discussion, though 48 hours on the weekdays sounds fine to me.

Surely if there is no additional modding you would just need to >right click on setup.exe >create shortcut >(move to desktop) ?

[Nightbringer]

How are player vs. player battles fought here? I ask because at twc its always auto-resolve with battles against AI playable. And before and after screen shots are required to be posted with editing allowed. But nothing has been said about this in the rules and I don't see any battle SSs in some other threads I've looked at.

Having taken a look at his tips I believe we are allowing battles to be fought against anyone.

As to screens, we generally just go without them here but if you want to post them nobody will object. If something comes into question the GM takes a look and rules accordingly.

This game might be different though.

[Myth]

Nightbringer can have Venice. Yes this game allows for fought battles against anyone (this was decided in the previous thread, I'll update the rules). The reason being that HAs rule in lead battles. Autoresolve and RR off will favor the Catholics way, waaay too much.

[LooseCannon1]

Having taken a look at his tips I believe we are allowing battles to be fought against anyone.
That's the way it read to me. But when I attack another player how well will the AI fight the battle for the other player? In its usual (not very good) manner? And of course I expect it to fail for me, too.

As to screens, we generally just go without them here but if you want to post them nobody will object. If something comes into question the GM takes a look and rules accordingly.

This game might be different though. I'll go with whatever the GM rules.

[ArcturUs]

Having taken a look at his tips I believe we are allowing battles to be fought against anyone. That's the way it read to me. But when I attack another player how well will the AI fight the battle for the other player? In its usual (not very good) manner? And of course I expect it to fail for me, too.
I haven't thought about that hmm

[phonicsmonkey]

But when I attack another player how well will the AI fight the battle for the other player? In its usual (not very good) manner? And of course I expect it to fail for me, too.

Of course, this is why a hotseat with fought battles is very different strategically from one with AR'd battles. Myth has kindly provided some tips on how to play this style in his first post, but in short you have to ensure that you don't give your enemies the chance of a battle by scouting terrain, using forts to block chokepoints and protect your armies and by planning your moves carefully.

[ArcturUs]

so, when will the saves be ready, and whose turn is first?

[phonicsmonkey]

I created the first save already for Myth but he'll need to amend it to make Venice playable and switch Sicily to the AI

(Myth that's just two console commands after logging in to the admin console with logon [password]

first you type control venice, hit enter and then control sicily, hit enter. Hit the start turn button on the sicily save screen and the game will roll on to the first player.)

[Myth]

First turn for Turks is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9158)! We also have an IC thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136330-Clash-of-Gods-IC-Diplomacy-thread&p=2053332477#post2053332477).

What did Visorslash say, is he away already? Does he need to be subbed?

[Visor]

I go away tomorrow.

France up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1fr2b8

[slysnake]

England :)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fe1ej4

[Myth]

Moors are up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=192&id=9164)

[LooseCannon1]

Leon-Castile is up

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Crusaders! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9176)

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/9w7s453ke

[ArcturUs]

Venice up
http://depositfiles.com/files/rw6enfpkn

[Nightbringer]

turks!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9183

[LooseCannon1]

Just want to let people know that Visorslash is on his holiday now. He didn't mention a return date so the Admin or if some else on our team has his password (and objectives) they need to be ready to sub this turn.

[slysnake]

I'm free to sub tonight, but not tomorrow...

Edit: my bad, turns out he's not on my team XD

[Myth]

He wanted SilverShield to sub him. Do his teammates know the password or do I need to reset it?

[ArcturUs]

I dont think Silvershield has the pass, pm him and find out. I don't have it btw

[Myth]

I PMed SS with the password, fortunately Visorslash uses the same one from another game where I subbed him. I did not need to reset it.

[SilverShield]

alright france
http://depositfiles.com/files/rubpavd46

[slysnake]

England (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x40tx8)

[Myth]

Turn 2 for the Moors (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9205).

[LooseCannon1]

Ok, I'm having problems with the file uploading system. I've tried to put the file here as an attachment but the first turn is still there taking up 2/3 of the available space preventing this. How can i delete that file? I ended up puting it in the "links and downloads" area but it failed to create a link for the file. can i get some tech support?:laugh4:

[Myth]

Is this the save (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9206) you uploaded? The forum started giving error messages after the software update but if you click back and refresh the page (or just go to it again via link) you'll find your upload at the top.

[LooseCannon1]

Is this the save (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9206) you uploaded? The forum started giving error messages after the software update but if you click back and refresh the page (or just go to it again via link) you'll find your upload at the top. Yes, that's it. I tried to put it in the thread. :laugh4:And now I've just downloaded it back to my computer. Twice. that software update was a total failure:yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

All you have to do is, once you've uploaded the file, hit the button that says "return" and it will take you back to the uploader. Then you can right-click on the download button, copy the link and post it here. Simples!

I'm afraid we don't have as much storage space as TWC so the inline attachments function is limited in size.

The tech admins are looking into the error by the way.

[Myth]

Yes, that's it. I tried to put it in the thread. :laugh4:And now I've just downloaded it back to my computer. Twice. that software update was a total failure:yes:

Great! Please PM the player who's turn is up if you haven't.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys, I got us all unlimited attachment space. So we can attach as many save game files as we like to posts instead of using the uploader.

Like this.

1418

You can all buy me a beer later.

[phonicsmonkey]

Or like this

[Myth]

Phonics I used to work for one of America's top 5 hosting companies. PM me if you need some details on shared/dedicated hosting and what real limitations are in place (the amount of space is not a real limiter - processor time and ram usage on shared usually is. And the more concurrent connections and especially concurrent downloads, the larger the load on the server)

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Crusaders (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9211)

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/8qwc0x2u2

[ArcturUs]

Venice
http://depositfiles.com/files/g3vwox2i6

[Nightbringer]

Turks!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9229

[Visor]

Silvershield, sub me again please. I'll be gone for four days.

[SilverShield]

im doing this when im back tomorrow

[SilverShield]

france
http://depositfiles.com/files/odr6co5yp

[slysnake]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/6neshv << England's Up.

[Myth]

Moors are up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9240)

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9242

Look! a link! I'm getting there:creep: Now, somebody please tell me how to make it look like Myth's link for me looks. I know it's not "spoiler" tags

[ArcturUs]

Leon up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9242

Look! a link! I'm getting there:creep: Now, somebody please tell me how to make it look like Myth's link for me looks. I know it's not "spoiler" tags

its not hard, when you insert a link, just edit the text between the {url} {/url} tags. the text that is between these tags is the text that will be displayed for the link, for example
like this, Leon up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9242)

[Myth]

1. select your text
2. click the little planet earth icon to place the link
3. paste your desired target URL
4. ????
5. PROFIT!

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Crusaders! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9250)

Btw, LooseCannon1, I hate you but still won! :bounce: :smoking:

[ArcturUs]

Crusaders! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9250)

Btw, LooseCannon1, I hate you but still won! :bounce: :smoking:

you won a battle? could you post a ss of the result? I want to see it :yes:

[Ashurnasirpal II]

Forget to SS the result, but in the IC diplo thread, i posted a few images, including the execution :2thumbsup:

I have a few more tgas, including the Caliph making a run for it, but they were kinda ugly so I didn't post them on :clown:

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/j78w4nzsr

[ArcturUs]

Venice up! (http://depositfiles.com/files/edshg9zp5)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9259

[Visor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bs23h5

France.

[slysnake]

England 1511

[Myth]

Moors up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9267) I'll be away until Sunday guys. Phonicsmonkey knows the admin password if anything needs admin decision making power.

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up :2thumbsup: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9271)

[SilverShield]

whats going on here? thats 4 days already anyone subbing or what

[phonicsmonkey]

Your GM was missing. I skipped the turn.

Crusaders are up!

[Myth]

I came back today and sent Ash a message. Instead of skipping we could have him subbed, he is in a war right now. I'll see to subbing him tomorrow.

[phonicsmonkey]

Your call of course

[Myth]

Subbed Leon. Crusader States up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9289)

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/2jfmace71

[ArcturUs]

Venice up! (http://depositfiles.com/files/k71ng8906)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9297

[Myth]

It seems that Spain will be needing a player to take over. I'd really like it if we could get Thanatos Eclipse on our team, to counterbalance Silver Shield who is no doubt stomping the Fatamids and ERE even as we speak. I'll PM him with the offer.

[Visor]

France.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g8gaii

[slysnake]

England :)

1603

[Myth]

Moors up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9311)

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid9313)

[Myth]

Let us wait for Thanatos Eclipse to give me an answer tonight.

[slysnake]

Let us wait for Thanatos Eclipse to give me an answer tonight.

Agreed, there's no point carrying on when Leon is in precarious-enough position as it is without having to worry about its player being missing. I'm sure Thanatos will be more than happy to join this hotseat ^_^

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Ok, I'll join ;) but I'm going to need some time to get ss 6.4 installed

[Myth]

YES! Feel the wrath of God heathens! PM me to get the save with a reset password.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Looks like I've got myself into a hard fight against the Moors

Crusaders up :2thumbsup:
1608

[SilverShield]

another spanish eclipse... naw thx. i love the sun and i love the heat. imma lighten up the dark with the mofoing sun packing some major heat. fun in the sun. always a good thing


kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/pkluhowxa

[ArcturUs]

Egypt (http://depositfiles.com/files/a7tb09s2i)

[Nightbringer]

I need to clarify something before my turn is over.

Can the Crusader states join crusades?

It seems rather against the spirit of the game if they can, and provides an advantage to the islamic side that the christian one lacks.

[Nightbringer]

gah, accidental double post

[Myth]

I would say no, based on my PM discussion with SS. He said he wanted the CS for the heavy infantry mostly, it was enough of a stretch to allow them as it is. This is a Catholics vs Muslims game after all.

[Nightbringer]

will post the turn tomorrow morning, sorry about the delay.

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9335

[Myth]

Why would the CS be allowed to join Crusades if they are meant to be played as a Muslim nation? If they can join they can deny us the Crusading targets because of their position. Well they can deny them anyway if they take the target before they get excommunicated, as a Crusde automatically ends if a Catholic captures it.

What do you guys think, about this situation?

[slysnake]

Why would the CS be allowed to join Crusades if they are meant to be played as a Muslim nation? If they can join they can deny us the Crusading targets because of their position. Well they can deny them anyway if they take the target before they get excommunicated, as a Crusde automatically ends if a Catholic captures it.

What do you guys think, about this situation?

CS should not be allowed to join crusades, because, although they cannot join jihads, as Myth just said, the benefit of being able to cancel a crusade by capturing the target straight off before any other catholic faction outweighs the fact that the Crusader States can't join jihads. I'm actually quite surprised we hadn't discussed this before we started ^^

[Myth]

They can capture say, Alexandria, and still deny us the target as they are Catholic and not excommunicated. Capture it with regular troops i mean. This is creating more problems than foreseen... Crusading armies can't attack catholics that are not excommunicated.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

This might not be such a problem, except we can only call crusades on target cities and over half of them are within easy reach of the Crusader states. Would it be possible to maybe re-distribute some of the target cities so that they're more spread out among the Islamic team? For one thing, we could put some target cities in Turky or Khwarezm.

I guess another solution would be to excommunicate the Crusader States, but I don't know if there would be any way to counter-act the unrest that comes with being ex'ed.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

double post :clown:

[Myth]

That, or just allow crusades and jihads to be called on any city. Since you know, we can't call crusades on our target cities due to them not being crusadeable in SS and me forgetting to mod this thing.

The regions were picked geographically to be equal. Their target cities are sort of close to each other as well, apart from London and Leon.

[slysnake]

bump

[Visor]

A wild Visorslash appears!

(Sorry, only been able to play SS today. Would be appreciated if you could replace me.)

France.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wkz3fs

[slysnake]

England's Up :)

1699

[ArcturUs]

bump

[phonicsmonkey]

He's away til Sunday and said in the anteroom that one of his team mates should sub for him. So, any takers?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I can do it in about 24 hours if no one else can do it before then.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Moors

1780

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9375

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Cusaders

1797

[SilverShield]

im doing this later today need some time for recovering from that trip to living hell. any of u guys living in the Midwest? man thats some freaking heat over there. i stopped by at a friends in Missouri and that was like way above the hundreds for sure. was like a disgusting sauna crazy. thought it was hot in Florida already but the heat in Missouri was just out of anything and the humidity was like junglish giving u that nice cosy amazon feel. though i guess it aint that hot there. crazy man. the family of my friend got a lot of dogs on the farm and she said that non of them moved anymore they are just laying in the shadow and for pissing they are only going for trees where theres shadow too. how about that. even the jack russells are just idling. thats how freaking hot it is. taking the heat into account things are adding up and its definite now. apocalypses is coming. signals are evident. the US is falling down and in addition to the political and economical decline we are now getting hellish temperatures in the midst of the country. the gates already had been opened there. i mean the two great danes they got on the farm definitely are passing through as hounds of hell and that one skinny girl riding a horse on the range definitely went through as skeleton. thats whats up. i guess it is what is. apocalypses is coming. take ur seats to la la land

[Nightbringer]

gah, I am jealous, here in Seattle we have had all of 10 days of sun this summer. It is miserable. I could do with some heat about now before I rage quit life. Well, not actually, but before I get very angry anyway.

im doing this later today need some time for recovering from that trip to living hell. any of u guys living in the Midwest? man thats some freaking heat over there. i stopped by at a friends in Missouri and that was like way above the hundreds for sure. was like a disgusting sauna crazy. thought it was hot in Florida already but the heat in Missouri was just out of anything and the humidity was like junglish giving u that nice cosy amazon feel. though i guess it aint that hot there. crazy man. the family of my friend got a lot of dogs on the farm and she said that non of them moved anymore they are just laying in the shadow and for pissing they are only going for trees where theres shadow too. how about that. even the jack russells are just idling. thats how freaking hot it is. taking the heat into account things are adding up and its definite now. apocalypses is coming. signals are evident. the US is falling down and in addition to the political and economical decline we are now getting hellish temperatures in the midst of the country. the gates already had been opened there. i mean the two great danes they got on the farm definitely are passing through as hounds of hell and that one skinny girl riding a horse on the range definitely went through as skeleton. thats whats up. i guess it is what is. apocalypses is coming. take ur seats to la la land

[LooseCannon1]

gah, I am jealous, here in Seattle we have had all of 10 days of sun this summer. It is miserable. I could do with some heat about now before I rage quit life. Well, not actually, but before I get very angry anyway. Ha, I'm almost jealous of you. I have to keep an eye on the following website for business purposes http://www.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KSPG.html Please note that in the last 72 hours the coldest temp was during yesterday's rain at 76 degrees F. And that at 4 & 5 am it's usually in the low to mid 80's. Yeah, Florida where winter consists of January 20th.:laugh4:

[SilverShield]

realized we got a 48h time limit here. good thing

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/ygygz5b74

[SilverShield]

thats even worse than the heat. heat just makes u aggressive and is exhausting depening on what u are doing but cloudy sunless weather is making u depressed. i rather am going for heat than rainy sunless weather


gah, I am jealous, here in Seattle we have had all of 10 days of sun this summer. It is miserable. I could do with some heat about now before I rage quit life. Well, not actually, but before I get very angry anyway.

[ArcturUs]

Venice up (http://depositfiles.com/files/jlydh7ef7)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9387

[LooseCannon1]

We need a sub for Visorslash.

[Myth]

Can anyone of the Muslim team sub Visor? I'm loathe to skip turns.

[LooseCannon1]

Can anyone of the Muslim team sub Visor? I'm loathe to skip turns.Can you clear the password for me? I can do it.

[Myth]

He's active in the FN thread. I will PM him.

[SilverShield]

so im taking that LC is doing this. looks like the Slash is out and we need a replacement

[phonicsmonkey]

I think his machine crashes repeatedly when he tries to play SS

[LooseCannon1]

Got password. Will play right after work-about 6 hours.

[Myth]

Yes he PM ed me that he wants to be replaced. This is a second replacement already, and it's still early in the game. Do we keep going or would you like a restart?

[slysnake]

Yes he PM ed me that he wants to be replaced. This is a second replacement already, and it's still early in the game. Do we keep going or would you like a restart?

We keep going! I'm starting to get into it now :)

[LooseCannon1]

Keep it going. we'll find a replacement

France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?catid=205#linkid9409

[ArcturUs]

Yes he PM ed me that he wants to be replaced. This is a second replacement already, and it's still early in the game. Do we keep going or would you like a restart?
hell no, we keep going, just find another guy to play his faction.

[slysnake]

England :) 1930

[Myth]

The Moors are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9418)

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9426

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Crusaders

1977

[SilverShield]

the save aint working. its just 0.8k in size after extracting it and when putting it into the saves folder its not even showing up on the in game loading screen menu. im pming Thanatos about uploading it again

[Thanatos Eclipse]

try this

1982

Edit: I downloaded the previous version and it worked fine for me, but if this still isn't working for you, I can try uploading it to a different site and see if that helps

[Myth]

Silver Shield, i have this issue sometimes. There is a separate save folder for Early and Late campaigns. Make sure you choose the correct one. Since I'm yet to play a Late campaign the folder with the dozens of save files is the right one for me :D

[SilverShield]

alright kwarz up

http://depositfiles.com/files/0h9duup0t

[ArcturUs]

Venice (http://depositfiles.com/files/3hz16mnbt)

[Myth]

I really hope Ignoramus joins this game. Nightbringer do you think you can try to sway him over?

[Nightbringer]

So what are the rules about calling crusades and the crusader states. Can we call them anywhere, can they join them? There didn't seem to be a decision made last time this came up and I can't complete my turn until one is made.
I think allowing any target for crusades or Jihads is a good idea because there is a set list of available targets in the game, and not all target cities appear on this list.

As to the Crusader States, it doesn't seem fair for them to get to cancel out our crusades, but it also seems unfair that they lack any type of crusade/jihad mechanic. What do you guys think?

[Myth]

1. When I made the restriction to only target special cities I didn't figure that most targets won't end up on the damn list without significant modding (and I'd hate to mod my SS install, i want to play SP as well). So calling them anywhere is a fine fix for this, if we simply have a gentleman's agreement to still just target each other and prioritize the target cities.

2. The CS is borked up. I'm kind of sorry I didn't see all the problems that would stem from allowing them to join the mussies. For one thing, untill they get excommed they are immune to crusades AND crusading armies. Any city they get (and they're blitzing Egypt now) is also denied as a viable target untill we actually fight them and the pope excomms them. But the bastard may as well excomm US before them, as the CS has a high papal ranking that gets even higher when stomping on AI muslims.

Crud... But anyway SS said that the lack of a crusade/jihad mechanic is offset by the CS's superior unit roster. i think not allowing them to join Crusades and call crusades is enough, and we'll just have to deal with the other stuff. Note that crusading armies will likewise be disallowed for SS to attack untill he gets himself excommunicated.

Still this isn't a deathmatch, one can win just by camping at a target city.

[LooseCannon1]

Gee, it's kind of hard to guess where Nightbringer wants to call the first Crusade to. Will it be Cordoba or Grenada?:laugh4: The Crusader States must be allowed to join any Crusade called. It's bad enough that (with Egypt being eliminated) the Muslims lose one faction that could answer a jihad.

edit: The best option might be to ban calling crusades/jihads against human factions for a set number of turns.

[Myth]

Egypt being eliminated means the Cruaders will have a ton of rich provinces and will be able to spam regular armies with much greater effect than normal.

[SilverShield]

im good without calling any crusade and staying out of any. but yea as long as im still part of mother church there is no crusade against me. thats part of my plan. once im out of church all of the original target cities are eligible again anyway. so we good there. its u guyses decisions and planning whats best until then

[Nightbringer]

I'm agreeable to what silvershield has said about Crusader states, but the question remains, can we call crusades and Jihads on any target as long as we do focus on the enemy faction with it?

[phonicsmonkey]

Are you guys still looking for a player? I got a pm from someone who is looking to join a game.

[CROPrasec]

Hi..can i join this hs? is here an open slot?

[Myth]

There's an open slot - you can take over the Turks from Visorslash!

I say we can call crusades/jihas anywhere so long as the goal is to aid us in the capturing of a target city.

[slysnake]

There's an open slot - you can take over the Turks from Visorslash!

I say we can call crusades/jihas anywhere so long as the goal is to aid us in the capturing of a target city.

Visor has quit? I take it he still plays Frozen North?

[phonicsmonkey]

Visor has quit? I take it he still plays Frozen North?

Yeah he told me he's staying in FN, GA and WotK and quitting all other hotseat games here and at TWC

[CROPrasec]

There's an open slot - you can take over the Turks from Visorslash!

I say we can call crusades/jihas anywhere so long as the goal is to aid us in the capturing of a target city.
Ok..i'll take the turks ;)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9464

There is now a crusade called on Silves!

[SilverShield]

actually what i was saying is that we are keeping the original target cities as being the only legit crusadable cities. coz as i said the onces im holding are up again anyway once im out of church and the muslim cities are eligible altogether in the first place so why calling the crusade on any other city. if the crusade is called on any other city but the original target city the crusade goes on until the city the crusade had been actually called on is captured. thats as far as im remembering it. so no matter whether the crusade is actually marching on one of the original target cities it s still going on until the city it had been actually called on is captured. that means upkeep and massive movement bonuses still in place even the original target city was taken. if the crusade is on silves but its actual target is cordoba then the crusade goes on until silves is captured meaning all the bonuses are still in place. and thats just wrong. so either any city is a target city now and anything is crusadable/ jihadable then or we are simply sticking to the original concept of crusades/ jihads only being called on the original target cities. as i said all the targets in the holy land are up again anyway as soon as im out of church and given that the crusaders got no such instrument themselves in this game it s just a fair thing that the holy land is save until im out of church. and all the muslim target cities are up from the beginning anyway. so why calling it on another city in the first place like silves if cordoba is the target. calling the crusade on one city and marching on another city having all the bonuses still going until the city the crusade had been actually called on is take is just wrong and fails the game

[CROPrasec]

Password si not cleared :/

[Nightbringer]

Well, it is not possible to call one on Cordoba, so if we want to have any chance in that area it seems only fair that we can call one on a nearby city in my opinion.

[Myth]

I'll clear the PW tonight, unless ser Monkey can beat me to the punch. Now, crusading/jihading against the target cities only is great, but in practice the game has it's own mind on what is crusadeable and jihadable. Out of all our target cities I think only two in Egypt and Jerusalem are allowed. Check the Jihad screen, I think you'll find a similar problem.

We can make the rule as such - call the crusade/jihad on the nearest possible allowed city and immediately end it as soon as the actual taret defined by the rules falls. This will limit the abuse while allowing us to play without me having to read a ton of info on how to mod the correct cities in. (It requires a hidden resource in each region plus a bunch of other stuff)

[LooseCannon1]

Password for Seljuks sent by PM.

And about that Crusade. Come get some!!:date: Bring lots of body bags with you. :smg:

[Myth]

Eh, you should have waited on that. I know Visorslash's PW as well, I just wanted to resest the PW so CROPrasec could input his own. Also, sharing other people's PWs is generally not good practice, as the majority use the same one for multiple games.

[CROPrasec]

France up !!!

[LooseCannon1]

Eh, you should have waited on that. I know Visorslash's PW as well, I just wanted to resest the PW so CROPrasec could input his own. Also, sharing other people's PWs is generally not good practice, as the majority use the same one for multiple games.Yes, I didn't know YOU had one of our team member's password.:hide: Next turn please clear it and resend it then.:laugh4:

[Myth]

Of course I do, I'm the bloody admin for this game :D Seeing as how Monkey insisted I run it.

[phonicsmonkey]

Of course I do, I'm the bloody admin for this game :D Seeing as how Monkey insisted I run it.

Actually you don't need any of the pws if you're the admin...that is unless you forgot to enable the console like I did in FN :embarassed:

[LooseCannon1]

Actually you don't need any of the pws if you're the admin...that is unless you forgot to enable the console like I did in FN :embarassed:Plus, I don't remember giving you, Myth, my password.

[Visor]

He knows it from FN. I can't be bothered to change it. :P

[Myth]

Aye. When simple subbing was necessary I just sent it over to the guy subbing. Changing it also somewhat of a hassle if you know the player is coming back. But I suppose it's good practice to do so regardless.

[slysnake]

Myth, England's up :)

2226

[Myth]

Moors. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9473)

[SilverShield]

this whole crusade/ jihad thing is turning nasty for sure but whatever

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9478)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Crusaders

2262

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, the Moorish Caliph has fallen!

[SilverShield]

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/stn7iof2d

so the moors are doomed already. great

[Thanatos Eclipse]

so the moors are doomed already. great

I wouldn't say that, but if you want to believe it, that's cool :p

[LooseCannon1]

Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war, the Moorish Caliph has fallen! The last guy playing Leon also claimed that he killed my Caliph. He was proven wrong. At the end of my last turn, my original starting Caliph was so far away from your armies you could have only reached him with Crusade movement points. And since he was nowhere near the Crusade target if you attacked him with a Crusade army you broke a rule. Post some screenshots of the battle.

Now back to the original Crusade/jihad question. Most of the jihad callable cities are Crusader State controlled. In fact only Toledo is on the list of cities that is controlled by the Catholic players. When Egypt is eliminated most of the cities that can be crusaded will be under Muslim control. This gives a tremendous advantage to the Catholic side. The banning of Crusades/Jihads should be implemented and the already called Crusade abandoned.

[ArcturUs]

The last guy playing Leon also claimed that he killed my Caliph. He was proven wrong. At the end of my last turn, my original starting Caliph was so far away from your armies you could have only reached him with Crusade movement points. And since he was nowhere near the Crusade target if you attacked him with a Crusade army you broke a rule. Post some screenshots of the battle.

Now back to the original Crusade/jihad question. Most of the jihad callable cities are Crusader State controlled. In fact only Toledo is on the list of cities that is controlled by the Catholic players. When Egypt is eliminated most of the cities that can be crusaded will be under Muslim control. This gives a tremendous advantage to the Catholic side. The banning of Crusades/Jihads should be implemented and the already called Crusade abandoned.

I support this :)


EDIT: Silvershield you entered Moors instead of Kwarz in the .rar file name :P

Btw, should I wait for thanatos eclipse's SS or play my turn?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I did use a crusading army, but I didn't see anything in the rules that limited what you could attack, only where you could call it (which has been changed)

personnally I don't care one way or the other, I'm just kind of annoyed right now at how slow the recruitment is in this version of ss :(

[LooseCannon1]

Crusades and Jihads can be joined and called but only at the respective religion's target cities! This rule is ambiguous at best. But I read it as meaning you can't attack any cities or armies other than the target unless they are in the way. You would have had to go out of your way to attack that army. As it was S/SE of Valencia how was it on the route from Leon territory to Silves?

[Thanatos Eclipse]

There's the trouble, I don't see that at all. All I get for that rule is that it pertains to what settlements crusade/jihads can be called on. Seems like these crusade rules really need to be ironed out before we get any further into this game, or just completely cut.

[Nightbringer]

I think at this point it might be good to just cut them. They were a good idea but has frankly just caused so much trouble already that it doesn't seem worth it. It just is not a balanced mechanic, nor is it meant to be I suspect. (not that Myth meant it to be unbalanced, that CA meant for it to be unbalanced.)

[ArcturUs]

so wat do we do now? a replay of turns from Thanatos? I wonder where Myth is, I have sent a pm to look into this thread, still no answer

[Nightbringer]

He is away for a bit still I think.

[phonicsmonkey]

He should be back any time now, best to wait for him for a ruling.

[Myth]

Jihads can be used when the city is above a certain level of % conversion towards Islam. Jihads were also meant to be a defensive mechanic more or less. This will prove very valuable for the Muslim team once the Catholics try to get Jerusalem.

For the Crusades, the idea is to call them at the nearest city allowed but still use it to capture the target city and kill off any armies that might prevent that. I don't want to lose players to frustration so restarting is out. Also Thanatos was kind enough to pick off where Ash left us, but I suspect he would not have picked Leon-Castille in SS 6.4 I suggest we keep Crusades and Jihads and use them accordingly (BTW if a Crusade stack goes to attack something that makes it end it's turn furhter away from the Crusade target we suffer desertion) as mentioned. Also allow Jihads to be called on either kind of target city or close by, to facilitate their defencive nature.

If we completely ban them I fear that Leon will be simply too poor a choice in this mod to match the Moors unless we 3v1 or 4v1 the Moorish player.

[slysnake]

I'm happy with Myth's judgement :)

[ArcturUs]

so shall I go ahead with my turn now?

[LooseCannon1]

Jihads can be used when the city is above a certain level of % conversion towards Islam. Jihads were also meant to be a defensive mechanic more or less. This will prove very valuable for the Muslim team once the Catholics try to get Jerusalem. So crusade/jihad armies can attack anything? Good to know that NOW. Since the Crusader States will always hold Jerusalem how will you ever attack it?



If we completely ban them I fear that Leon will be simply too poor a choice in this mod to match the Moors unless we 3v1 or 4v1 the Moorish player.You haven't decided to do that already? :laugh4:

[ArcturUs]

someone tell me what I am supposed to do pls :/

[Myth]

We can attack Jerusalem the good Ol' fashioned way - with regular armies. Same for the other side.

Crusade/Jihad armies can attack anything so long as it's within the immediate vicinity of the objective or is working towards it. No point in taking Rome if you see a full stack of Venetians right next to it right? Kill the immediate armies and take and hold your objective (emphasis on the latter).

Let's all try to have fun and I'll try to make this fair for both teams. When the game ends we will have enough info for a second installment that will be more balanced (I'm thinking, KGCM w/hotseat patch and autoresolve)

[Myth]

Ring ring.

[ArcturUs]

I was waiting, because no one said me wat to do :/

EDIT: Venice up! (http://depositfiles.com/files/6nnwoyml6)

[Myth]

Paging Dr. Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

sorry, I somehow missed the pm completely.
will have it up in a few minutes.

[Nightbringer]

seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9510

[CROPrasec]

France up :2thumbsup:

2425

[slysnake]

EDIT: Myth, England is up :)

2433

[Myth]

Moors. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9518)

[LooseCannon1]

Three crusade armies from Leon/Castille:dizzy2:!! :jawdrop:Don't you think that's a bit of overkill, Thantatos?:hide: OMG All those mighty generals- King Alfanso, Gongalo Quijada, Sancho de Cortegaca, and "Prince" Sancho on the march:creep: Please I beg you send your diplomat to me and we can end this war:oops::stupid: And of course no other Catholic human faction can join the crusade. Just be willing to make peace and give me Toledo. Do that and I'll let King Sancho:sharky: live. All the Catholic human factions must agree :gathering: to not join the Crusade.Because without another family member Leon/Castile ends up in the dustbin of history:yes:

[Thanatos Eclipse]

oooooooooooooh, pretty pictures

[Myth]

So have the Moors actually some leverage over Leon-Castille in order to ask for peace and other such things?

[slysnake]

So you are saying I am not allowed to join the crusade come my next turn? o_0..

[LooseCannon1]

So you are saying I am not allowed to join the crusade come my next turn? o_0..If Leon wants peace, that's a condition.


So have the Moors actually some leverage over Leon-Castille in order to ask for peace and other such things?You did read the spoilers, right?


oooooooooooooh, pretty picturesYou didn't show me yours so I can't show you mine. Well, ok, I'll show the only one I took.https://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1096/alfonsothedead.jpg This one is titled "Alfonso the DEAD"

[Thanatos Eclipse]

ouch, looks like spains not going to be able to hold the Moorish tide back much longer

[LooseCannon1]

ouch, looks like spains not going to be able to hold the Moorish tide back much longer The terms for peace are simple. I'm willing to throw in trade rights and a 20 turn NAP. If you don't have a diplomat to send to me just agree to it here and I won't attack you anywhere next turn. No human Crusade armies, Toledo, trade rights, and peace-what more could you ask for? And giving me Toledo will cancel the Jihad already in progress. Oh, did i forget to mention THAT?:laugh4:

Thanks to Myth's ruling my allies:applause: are coming in force with the intention of burning:flame: everything in their way.:dizzy2: HAVE A NICE DAY:2thumbsup:

[Thanatos Eclipse]

On behalf of Spain and the Catholic Kingdoms I humbly accept your terms :bow:

However my only diplomat is quite far away and I have no means to make another, so you will have to send your own.

Crusaders up
2460

[LooseCannon1]

On behalf of Spain and the Catholic Kingdoms I humbly accept your terms :bow:

However my only diplomat is quite far away and I have no means to make another, so you will have to send your own.

Crusaders up
2460Mine is in southern France he should be back to you next turn.

[Myth]

My ruling was aimed to be a fair one for both sides :)

[SilverShield]

forgot about that one almost

kwarz
http://depositfiles.com/files/3jzpbml6q

[ArcturUs]

Sry for the delay. I am very busy with college, unit test in two days. Will try to do my turn later today

[Myth]

Take your time. If you need a sub can you appoint a preferred player?

[ArcturUs]

Well since the test ends in a week, I think I will just need an extension of a day for my turn. By the time I get my next turn, the tests would probably be over.

EDIT: Venice up! (http://depositfiles.com/files/to9ve4xjr)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9550

[CROPrasec]

I'll play my turn in couple of hours ;)

[CROPrasec]

France up :2thumbsup:

[slysnake]

England :) 2546

[Myth]

The mighty warlords of the Moors are up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9561)

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9565) And Iberia is at peace. Well, except for the HUN-garians :creep: who have decided to Crusade.:welcome:
Looks like we'll have to keep our economy on a war setting. :smg:

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Your terms are acceptable

Crusaders

2579

[SilverShield]

kwarz up
http://depositfiles.com/files/5d6m88znw

[ArcturUs]

having some problem with my pc, :wall: :wall: :wall: looks like my psu is dying. I may need a day's extension.

EDIT: fixed everything, Venice up! (http://depositfiles.org/files/xx4rghktp)

[Nightbringer]

Seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9573

[CROPrasec]

Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up :2thumbsup:
2597

[slysnake]

England is up 2599

[LooseCannon1]

Just a question about that "unlimited men on battlefield". What is that and how to do that?! (i didnt noticed it before)

France up :2thumbsup:
2597It requires changing a line in the cfg file. But SS6.4 does that automatically.

I just noticed that SS6.4 's cfg does not have spaces before & after the = sign. My kingdoms and KGCM files have the spaces. Do the spaces matter? Or is that a typo in SS6.4?

[Myth]

Don't worry it's on by default in SS. I just wanted to popularize this rule in the Throne Room since I first signaled Monkey that without enabling this one gets essentially a free Night Fighter ability when leading battles (somehow M2TW never seems to think your PC is good enough)

Anyway, Moors up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9576) I see that Jihading army is about to take the target. This means that first blood (in terms of points) will go to the Muslim side. Please let me know each time a target city falls so I can keep track of the score. Also let me know when you pass the religion conversion thresholds.

[LooseCannon1]

Leon up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9585) And now I've got three copies to delete from the folder.:laugh4: Everytime I tried to copy the link the uploader downloaded the file back to me.:dizzy2:

[Myth]

Did you take your target city? I'd rather the team give me info on this so I can keep track of the points for each side in the first topic. Otherwise I'll have to give the admin PW to Monkey or Zim so they can check for me (and they're too busy as it is)

[LooseCannon1]

Yes per our peace treaty it was given to me. Diplomats have to finalize it next turn as our dips were too far away but a NAP is now in effect (has been since last turn) between the Moors and Leon-Castile.

Also, forgot to mention, I'll be subbing CROPrasec here until he can finish moving and get back in the game.

[Thanatos Eclipse]

Crusaders

2756

[SilverShield]

give me a slight extension here. im low on time today im having this up tomorrow

[Myth]

Sure

[SilverShield]

alright egypt is down. probably some more rounds and the very east and the west are clashing. its heating up


kwarz up
http://depositfiles.com/files/k5amxvn6w

[Myth]

Cudos for beating Egypt without using a Crusade!

[ArcturUs]

Venice (http://depositfiles.com/files/vxry8ghvm)

[Nightbringer]

seljuks up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9600

[LooseCannon1]

I'm subbing CROPrasec. I've got the save should have next one up within 24 hrs.

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9601)

[slysnake]

England :)

2818

[Myth]

Moors up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9605)

Seriously, I have max papal standing and the blessed Pope still won't un-excommunicate me! I have half a mind to take Rome for myself...

[Myth]

As your admin for this game and the creator of the rulse I have to remind you guys to always make sure what your target cities are. LooseCanon - Leon is what will give your side points. Just an FYI.

[LooseCannon1]

Moors up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9605)

Seriously, I have max papal standing and the bastard still won't un-excommunicate me! I have half a mind to take Rome for myself...Sometimes, you just got to do what you got to do!! :dizzy2: :laugh4: That's what you get for attacking your fellow Catholics. None of us in the Muslim Brotherhood would do such a thing ~:grouphug:

[Myth]

You mean like you won't leave the (Muslim) Fatamid Caliphate get slaughtered by (Catholic) Crusader States? :P

[LooseCannon1]

You mean like you won't leave the (Muslim) Fatamid Caliphate get slaughtered by (Catholic) Crusader States? :PI don't think there is a Fatamid Caliphate anymore:7fortuneteller: but I'm not sure:laugh4:. Besides they weren't part of the Brotherhood.

Toledo was my target city:elephant:

Leon up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9606)

[SilverShield]

yea band of brothers. egypt is down but i wasted too much time and ressources on it that i d better spent elsewhere. had this feeling someone was calling a crusade on a then still egypt city and going for me then straight. so i was rather going after egypt tho given the situation now i spent too many ressources on it. curious how far Nightbringer and his ventians expanded south already

[Nightbringer]

Well, I haven't founded Cape Town yet. :)

[Thanatos Eclipse]

I probably need a few hours extension, busy week

[Myth]

No problem

[Thanatos Eclipse]

2841

[SilverShield]

kwarz up

http://depositfiles.com/files/xmk4b8w4q

[ArcturUs]

I m having some problems with my pc and connection.I could use anyone from the Muslim factions to sub for me. Pm Myth if you want to sub me.

EDIT: nvm, I fixed everything, I got the save, will be doing my turn later today.

Venice up (http://depositfiles.com/files/7dblj1mcz)