The Rise and Fall of Vespasian [Concluded]

[Visor]

So... no reason.


Ask Captain Kirk

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

But... I don't even understand...

[TheLastDays]

Because he's guilty, duh...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kirk was a wuss. I would have totally prepared the enterprise for ramming speed.

Errm....

I would have sprayed my phasers all over his hull

I mean...

I would have fired my torpedoes at his warp core....


GAH!!!

[Visor]

But why?

[TheLastDays]

Actually... Has Visor said that he's Mafia yet? If not, he's probably Mafia. Lynch Visor.

[Visor]

:laugh4:

I decided to not go ahead with what I said in Midgard. I quite like making it into Day 2 at least. :P

[TheLastDays]

:laugh4:

I decided to not go ahead with what I said in Midgard. I quite like making it into Day 2 at least. :P

Lynch him!

[Visor]

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

But why?

Because it is something Khaan would do. Kill me and then get away with it.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Classical Hero To guard against vote switching shenanigans.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

Ah ha ha ha ha ha

ho ho

hee hee

ha ha ha.....

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Classical Hero To guard against vote switching shenanigans.

Ahh, I love using that one myself as scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gosh, if only I had said to lynch Khaan sooner.

Oh wait.

[TheLastDays]

Gosh, if only I had said to lynch Khaan sooner.

Oh wait.

Lynch Visor, for not lynching khaan.

[seireikhaan]

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[Visor]

Looks like the day phase is over.

Final Tally:

4 x Classical_Hero (Montmorency, Visorslash, Ishmael, Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan)
1 x Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan (Classical_Hero)

Classical_Hero is lynched.

[Ishmael]

Wait, Visorslash's post was last edited by issaikhaan? I'm getting very worried all of a sudden...

[Visor]

I posted some spam. :/

It was a really long khaaaan. :/

[classical_hero]

You have doomed yourselves yet again by lynching me.

[Captain Blackadder]

Round Over prepare for write up

[Captain Blackadder]

Tonight the Republic falls once more. This noble experiment with the return to the republic was a failure. Time has shown that the republic cannot live when their are powerful men who wish for its destruction. Today the republic dies the final nail in its destruction will be the death not of a paragon of Roman Virtue but by a new man who 100 years earlier would have being counted amongst Romes enemies his name is Vindex (Classical Hero).

Before he is to be killed Vindex asks for the chance to give one final speech where he intends to speak of the Rome that will come. Vindex called together the Gauls, who had suffered much by the numerous forced levies of money and had suffered at Nero's hands. And ascending a tribunal he delivered a long and detailed speech against Vespasian, saying that they ought to revolt from the man who would be emperor and join the speaker in an attack upon him, "because," as he said, "he has despoiled the while Roman world, because he has destroyed all the flower of the senate, because he debauched , and does not preserve even the semblance of sovereignty. Many murders, robberies and outrages, it is true, have often been committed by others; but as for the other deeds committed by Vespasian, how could one find words fittingly to describe them? I have seen him, my friends and allies -believe me- I have seen that man [...] in the circle of the senate, that is, in the orchestra, sometimes holding the sword and dressed in the clothes of a general, and again wearing in general-soled shoes and . I have often heard him , play the fool, and act in battle. I have seen him in chains, hustled about as a miscreant, heavy with child, aye, in the travail of childbirth - in short, imitating all the situations of mythology by what he said and what was said to him, by what he submitted to and by what he did. Will anyone, then, style such a person Caesar and emperor and Augustus? Never! Let no one abuse those sacred titles. They were held by Augustus and by Claudius, whereas this fellow might most properly be termed Thyestes, Oedipus, Alcmeon, or Orestes; for these are the characters that he represents on the stage and it is these titles that he has assumed in place of the others. Therefore rise now at length against him; succour yourselves and succour the Romans; liberate the entire world from his future rule!"

However this speech is too little too late now the Vespasian factions far outnumbers the senate. He is shouted down and is not allowed to finish before he is taken out and killed. With the death of the consuls of the day one figure stands up and proposes that Vespasian the only man of worth left in Rome be declared dictator for life and Emperor of Rome to deal with the forthcoming threats. As the rest of the senate stands in worshipping the new Emperor two men have tears in their eyes for they know they have lost.One man is the man that lead the new republic Rufus the other is a man who in other circumstances would have being one of Vespasians greatest friends Nerva. As Vespasian smiles in the greatness of his victory the it is final whilst he has lost one of his sons in this fight he still has he greatest ally still alive and standing with him plus he has other children. Today is the dawn of a new age, the age of the Flavian Dynasty has begun

Mafia Victory

Congrats Khann and Visorslash

JohnHughthom
Montmorency
Autolycus
Visorslash
EliteKingWarman
Bowwowwow
ATPG
PopulasRomanus
ClassicalHero
BestrfcPlayer
GibsonSg
DeathisYonder
MajorRobertDump
Soulblade
Ishmael
Khann
Robbiecon

[TheLastDays]

Can I say I told you so? I guess I can :P

Visor, you should know that you will never survive another Mafia game, ever. If you say you're Mafia we're gonna lynch you because it's annoying and if you don't say it we're gonna lynch you because of this game :tongue:

Well played though. :thumbsup:

[Major Robert Dump]

LOL that the only mafia who we got was WOG'd

[johnhughthom]

Well played Visor and khaan :bow: and thanks for the game Capt B.

Is there a mafia QT?

[classical_hero]

I was right about khann, but since I suspected auto, but I had auto higher up, I could not vote for him until it was too late, so congratulations to the mafia for the stunning victory, even with one person not showing up. Next time we lynch Visor for the reasons TLD gave.

[seireikhaan]

Mafia Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ZcWbqUKyhpU).

Many thanks to Visorslash, who did the real work. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to mark this one down as a win for me. :evilgrin:

[Ishmael]

Oops.

Well done to Visorslash particularly - I suspected you at first, but you had me completely fooled by the end. Well played.

[Visor]

but you had me completely fooled by the end

Please tell me how. I need to get better...

Both the new guys did well. I was very surprised that you two trusted me on that final day. Especially when I read Monty's comments about how he's a last minute voter, I was so nervous...

I did tell you guys that one day I would be scum, and then you'll be right if you put a case on me. But no-one ever did. :D

Feels good to finally get a scum role. Thanks Khaan for being a gret help, and Captain Blackadder for hosting, I quite enjoyed this.

[Ishmael]

Please tell me how. I need to get better...

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:


I've said that I don't suspect Visorslash, that's not entirely true - I've had a feeling about him from the start, and if there's 3 mafiosi remaining my money is on him, MRD and Khaan.

But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched :laugh4:) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh? :yes:

[Visor]

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:

I know. Monty sent me a PM containing the words he sent you and what you sent back. :D (Before the final day.)


But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched ) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh?

Interesting. Is there a serious reason why every dead player wanted Khaan dead, and why you had suspiscions of him?


Next time we lynch Visor for the reasons TLD gave.

Please don't. This is a nice change from N0, D1 and N1 kill, which have been my last three games.

[Ishmael]

As to Khaan, personally I felt he was playing things very safe - only really posting to post his votes (except for that conversation with ATPG, but you guys tell me that's normal). Funnily enough, the dead players were one of the main reasons I didn't vote Khaan - I figured that if they all wanted him dead so badly but couldn't find any evidence to support this, maybe I was mistaken about his guilt.

[Ishmael]

Incidentally, CB, would you be able to tell me who my character was?

Also, 200th post! Sort of pales in comparison to most people here, though (19 000 ATPG? Seriously? :laugh4:)

[Montmorency]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH

I singlehandedly doomed the town with my cases against dump and classical (which I propounded to Ishmael and visor in PMs)!

Ah, what a fool I was, thinking that if one of the two were Mafia I could handle them the next day. But the whole time, I wondered if my continued survival were not due to my usefulness to the Mafia. Well...dem's the breaks I guess.

You guys should have kynched me Day 3. :shame:

[Visor]

I thought the dealine was 10 that very night on Day 3, so I tried to save gibbo, turned out it wasn't necessary. :D (That's why I voted you, otherwise it would've been PR).

[Major Robert Dump]

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:



But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched :laugh4:) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh? :yes:

Remind me again how it is my own fualt I got lynched?

[Askthepizzaguy]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH

I singlehandedly doomed the town with my cases against dump and classical (which I propounded to Ishmael and visor in PMs)!

Ah, what a fool I was, thinking that if one of the two were Mafia I could handle them the next day. But the whole time, I wondered if my continued survival were not due to my usefulness to the Mafia. Well...dem's the breaks I guess.

You guys should have kynched me Day 3. :shame:

*hugs*

Monty, if I can call you Monty, your efforts to lead the town to glory were not in vain. It is the effort that counts, to me.

I made very little effort this whole game, even though my suspect Khaan was correct. If I was joking about Khaan I wouldn't have pressed so hard for him on the final round. So, because I didn't put out the effort, to really explain why I felt I was a Khaan murder choice, nobody listened.

I don't mind honest attempts to win the game even if you fail. Keep at it. You can only improve.

[Ishmael]

Remind me again how it is my own fualt I got lynched?

Come on, you've got to admit you were acting suspiciously. Or I'm a poor judge of character. In fact, judging by this whole scenario the latter seems more likely.

[Major Robert Dump]

Hehe

Aside from you not being able to detect sarcasm even if it slapped you...

As for making votes without making cases: there were no cases to be made, other than the dead telling us to lynch Khan. If I have no case, it is no better to grasp at straws and try to pull something out of my rear, because it all ultimately ends up being random. That's how mafia is. Sometimes you just gotta lynch a guy. Obviously, for those who were making far-fetched cases in order to justify their votes, well, that didn't work out so hot.

Well played by Visor though, when we were accused of being in cahoots. That was simple bad luck on my part.

[classical_hero]

Come on, you've got to admit you were acting suspiciously. Or I'm a poor judge of character. In fact, judging by this whole scenario the latter seems more likely.You're terrible judge of character. :tongue: The whole point of mafia when you are mafia is to get the town to think you are one of them, so deception is the key to mafia, so I would not blame you for the loss, since getting the mafia can be tough.

[TheLastDays]

Interesting. Is there a serious reason why every dead player wanted Khaan dead, and why you had suspiscions of him?


There was, I'm not going to tell the scum how to hide though :tongue:

Also, about your posts in the QT: I'm not offended at all, no worries. For what I care, the worse your opinion of me is, the better :yes:
I did make you sweat that final day :tongue:

I have to apologise, because being a replacement player that was offed right after replacing I couldn't be bothered to invest the effort that would have been needed to convince the town to vote for the right persons.

[Visor]

Obviously, for those who were making far-fetched cases in order to justify their votes, well, that didn't work out so hot.

I had so much on Ishmael on the final day because of this.

[Ishmael]

Heh, note to self: random chance>intuition>logic.

[Visor]

Sometimes. I caught a scum Day1/2 I can't remember, over logic.

But usually random chance is your friend. :P

[classical_hero]

Heh, note to self: random chance>intuition>logic.Now you're talking like a seasoned professional.

[Visor]

Well played by Visor though, when we were accused of being in cahoots. That was simple bad luck on my part.

I was laughing, I thought it quite funny.

@ TLD

Lol, he's right. Remember your "gut" feeling on JHT in music mafia? That was funny. :D

[TheLastDays]

I was laughing, I thought it quite funny.

@ TLD

Lol, he's right. Remember your "gut" feeling on JHT in music mafia? That was funny. :D

Who's right? ^^
Yes it was. Part of it was that there just had to be a lynch on D1 and another part was I wanted to see if I could pull it off. Turns out I could :D
What was more funny was my bandwagon on you though :tongue:

[Visor]

Granted, you got lucky it wasn't me. :P

Blackadder, were there any protown roles? Roles with abilities?

[Captain Blackadder]

Nope recently I have being moving away from them since I dislike townies waiting for a pro town block to form with investigators telling people that others are mafia, I might move in the other direction now as every game I have hosted has resulted in a mafia victory apart from one mini game.

[Death is yonder]

Well thanks for hosting Capt. B :bow:, although I note my activity post-death seems to be getting lower and lower in general, apologies :embarassed:

And congrats to the mafia, looks like Visorslash finally was scum (curiously upon the occasional re-read I didn't find him as scummy as I did in revengening :P)

[Visor]

The time you don't suspect me, I'm scum. :P

[Death is yonder]

Hmpph if I always suspect you then I will one day be right! :idea3:

:tongue:

[Visor]

Hmpph if I always suspect you then I will one day be right!

But I'll never survive another game, as I'll be lynched if I say I'm mafia, and lynched if I don't because of this game. :tongue:

[Death is yonder]

Lets find out shall we?

*prances off to Netherworld II cackling, preparing to unvote and vote Visor*

Oh wait, you're dead! :tongue:

[Visor]

I was never in that game. :stare:

[Captain Blackadder]

Rise and Fall of Vespasian Roles

Titus Flavius Vespasianus


Hail Vespasian, You are Vespasian one of the few survivors from the Pisonian Purge and the great General of the Republic. You are one of the men who actually runs the Republic and has ensured that it remains safe and stable. You are sick and tired of being the man behind the power and instead wish to destroy the Republic and make yourself Emperor.

Objective:To Destroy all defenders of the Republic

Abilities
Death to the Republic
You may select one person together with your allies and attempt to kill them.

Faenius Rufus


Hail Rufus, You are Rufus one of the Prefect of the Provisions or the man who supplies all the grain for Rome and ensures that City does not starve. You are the most wondrous sort of man whilst others in your position used it to make large amounts of money for themselves you have done no such thing. You have being completely honest in your dealings and have being fair in all of your actions thus far. With the death of Nero you became one of the most powerful men in Rome however you choose to give up this power like Cincinnatus and have returned to your humble home ready to defend the Republic that you love once more.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Epicharis

Hail Epicharis.You are Epicharis last name unrecorded one of the bravest women that Rome has ever seen and a key conspirator behind the Piso Conspiracy. Whilst the other members of the plot were vainglorious and ineffective you were decisive. It was you that caused Nero to die and you restored the republic to the honour it once had. You are now a few years older but also more experienced in age and in mind.

Objective: To defend the Republic against all threats.

Vindex

Vindex was powerful in body and of shrewd intelligence, was skilled in warfare and full of daring for any great enterprise; and he had a passionate love of freedom and a vast ambition"
Cassius Dio

Hail, Vindex. You are Vindex the son of a Gaulish Noble and a key man in Rome. Due to the purge of Roman Senators people from the provinces like yourself are the new power in Rome. You are a daring General of great intelligence and are hopeful that you will become Consul one day it is just a question of when.

Objective: To defend the Republic against all threats.

Tiberius Julius Alexander


Hail to thee Tiberius. You are Tiberius Julius Alexander Governer of Egypt and key ally of Vespasian. You have being in secret contact with Vespasian through Berenice the lover of the son of Vespasian. He had promised you great riches if you support him and you have chosen to do so bringing your legions with you. Now is the time to do a bit of pre invasion killing thin out the ranks of the senators and your task shall be very easy.

Objective:To Destroy all defenders of the Republic

Abilities
Death to the Republic
You may select one person together with your allies and attempt to kill them.

Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus

He who influences the thoughts of his times, influences all the times that follow. He has made his impress on eternity.”
Hail Titus, son of Vespasian. You are the favourite son of the great General Vespasian. He came to you some days ago telling that now is the time to strike the new republic is weak it has no power worth talking about it is your family that will lead Rome to greatness once more.


Petronius

I shall never be ashamed of citing a bad author if the line is good
Seneca

Hail Petronius. You are Petronius one of the leading lights of high society in Rome. You are known for your great wit and humour. You wrote the great book Satyricon under a pseudonym. You were on of the greatest writers of the age. If you die it will be a great loss to the entire Roman world. You were one of the few survivors of the death of Nero

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Quintus Licinius Bibulus

Hail Quintus, You are Quintus a plebeian in heart and plebeian in nature, You realiseed your family's history and being only the second generation of his family reaching the senatorial class (the first being you uncle Cornelius) You understand the "troubles" that you may have within this new class you finds yourself in. Your family has been involved in the military for as far back as records have being kept. You only just came back from military service in Syria as a Prefect of one of the garrison forts along the border of that Roman territory. You are proud of your hertiage in defending Rome and are pleased to have the chance to defend it not from foreign foes but from ones that came from within.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.


Appius Claudius Pulcher

Hail Appius, You are Appius scion of the great Claudii Family. Befitting your background you have the amount of arrogance that can only come from a long line of greatness. Like all the Claudii you are the kind of man who smiles at you right up until you stab them in the back. You are a great friend to those you likes but if someone displeases you then they should look out, for the power of the Claudii will soon be upon them. You also has the slight feeling that everyone is bellow you in status you think that compared to yourself everyone is homo novus. You are part of the greatest of all of Romes Families the Claudii as one of the most ancient of all families you feels the pressure to live up to your forefathers.To go to the Claudii family tomb is to see the history of Rome there have being twenty-eight consulships, five dictatorships, seven censorships, six triumphs and two ovations before you came into this world and you needs to equal if not be better then those that came before you. You have decided that rather then allowing yourself to be dicated to that you will take matters into your own hands and will do whatever it takes to rule Rome.

Objectives To kill all defenders of the Republic and see that Vespasian does not end up leader of Rome.


Proculus Antonius Arcadius


Hail Proculus. You are Proculus born into the noble Plebian gens of the Antonia. A family of bankers and lawyers, You were brought up under the stern eye of your father, another Proculus, who wanted his first born to follow himself into the law courts. Under the unyielding eye of Praxiletes, the Greek stoic employed as a pedagogue, you were discouraged from the various distractions of politics, poetry and history, which took up so many of your peers time, you focused instead on law and politics. Your teenage and early adulthood was spent studying rhetoric, but not for the Curia, but for the Basilica, where you were taught to argue logically, clearly and emotionally, the audience being sometimes more powerful than the judge. A successful legal career soon made way for a political one, when your father died, and you took up the family Senatorial seat as pater familias.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.


Helvidius Priscus



Hail Priscus. You are Priscus the stoic and leading republican. Your virtue is in your ability to say many things and yet stay in somewhat favour with whomever is in charge. In the recent past you have being both a quaestor as well as tribune. You were well respected by all that came across you. You were as at home in Armenia as you were in Rome. You are well known for your opposition to the Empire and will do everything in your power to ensure that the Republic stays right where it is.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.


Marcus Cocceius Nerva
Hail Nerva. You are Nerva loyalist to Nero and friend of Vespasian you looked after his son during his time in Syria and he has long since rewarded your kindness may times over. You are now one of the most powerful men in Rome and you intend to keep it that way.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Marcus Claudius Marcellus

Hail Marcus. You are Marcus, part of the Equestrian class, you have served Rome as a legate several times. Every time you have shown good bravery and loyalty to those around him. Since returning home the last time, you decided to enter politics and attempt to bring reason with you Brought up in a family that sneers at the patricians for their arrogance,you fail to see the same flaw in yourself. Your family own several lands and mainly deals in olives. As a novus homus you are not the most respected man in Rome however with your bravery defending the republic you have a great chance to become a much greater man.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Decimus Claudius Ingenuus

Hail Decimus, Born in the regions south of Palermo, you were one of four boys of a well-off family. Your father (Vatinius) and mother (Domitilla), who cherished you, sent you away early in your life to learn in the finest school they could afford. You learnt much in your years at the academy, but unlike your peers, did not grow arrogant and self-centred. You were kind to those less fortunate than yourself, and taught what he learned to those seeking knowledge including your own slaves so that you could have someone worth talking to. You grew fond of books and the company of friends, and will have either at hand at a moments notice. Due to your gregarious ways, you soon found yourself well liked among the upper class, and when you travelled to Rome, even more so. Public speaking was something you excelled at, and you soon gained renown as a wise counsel. At the age of forty-five, you became a senator, and vowed to improve the lives of your countrymen.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Publius Egnatius Celer,

Hail Celer. You are Celer a stoic philosopher and key friend of the old emperor Nero. Whilst you have had many issues in the past in regards to what happened to Nero you are enough of a pragmatic to understand the new order and you intend to follow it.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.


Ishmael I always did find it stragne that you never read your role pm. I thought you were doing some avante garde tactic of making it so that you didn't even know if you were scum. You were Faenius Rufus one of the survivors from the last game.

[Ishmael]

:inquisitive: I never got a role PM...

[Montmorency]

Marcus Cocceius Nerva
Hail Nerva. You are Nerva loyalist to Nero and friend of Vespasian you looked after his son during his time in Syria and he has long since rewarded your kindness may times over. You are now one of the most powerful men in Rome and you intend to keep it that way.

Objective. To defend the Republic against all threats.

Perhaps fitting; I have been a great friend to Vespasian, after all. :rolleyes:

If there's another Roman game, will I get this character again?