Ridiculous, Paradoxial Pricing of Health Parlors in Indonesia

[Cute Wolf]

ok, I just grumbled when I notice how some health & massage parlors opened here, actually do much more than healthy massages. Yeah, they do, err... well, it's their business anyway. but... usually here, massage parlors including health club (spa, pool, sauna, aromatheraphy, herbal theraphies, etc), and they offers all of the professional healthcare services at rather cheap prices...

well, I just wanna say that GOD DAMMIT, why? with same services offered (pool, sauna, aromatheraphy, herbal, and health massages), with the same price, those who offer only professional theraphy (non prostitution ones), are actually MORE Expensive, than those who you can get free XXX stuffs inside? hell yeah, it's much more expensive, professional health parlor without XXX stuffs cost about Rp 700000,- ($70) per day of total cares, and with the same degree of health services quality, the ones who you can have sex with the theraphists inside for free (that was the "bonus", free of charges), cost about Rp 400000,- ($40) per day of total cares....

damn it, I wonder what was inside my fellow countrymen's mind? as they sold women for $-30 ? $-30! NEGATIVE VALUE!!!

did anyone has another ridiculous pricings in health parlors in their own countries/places? that was actually exploiting a legal loophole in Indonesian anti-prostitution law. Exchange of sex for money is forbidden, but exchange of money for health services is legal, and they said sex is free bonus for clients.... doh...

end rant...

P.S: Don't say anything about this outside this backroom please, I don't want my sincere concern of this act being misinterpreted... yeah... especially you who know me better than on the ORG level... just don't said anything about this outside the org. you can PM for details...

[Vladimir]

I think we've just discovered the fix for America's healthcare system. Obamacare, no. Blowboma care, yes.

[Centurion1]

korean massage

[drone]

Something tells me this thread will not have a happy ending.

[Cute Wolf]

I think we've just discovered the fix for America's healthcare system. Obamacare, no. Blowboma care, yes.

well, it's actually they willing to have smaller cost/profit margin, in exchange of better transaction freqwencies, and they do well. But hell, why are legal, law abiding health parlors are unwilling to decrease their cost/profit margins? If they want to maximize profit per consumer's session, it's actually counter productive as consumers will seek those with cheaper price at small quality margin. Or, maybe the real, trained proffesional health theraphists charges more than sex workers.

And, hell, that proves some kind of slavery are still here... And women are regarded cheaply. It's funny... But not funny... Ironic...

[Greyblades]

Maybe its because the regular health parlors hire people who know how to help people get healthy and the other type only hire prostitutes who know how to rub someones back?

[HoreTore]

Maybe its because the regular health parlors hire people who know how to help people get healthy and the other type only hire prostitutes who know how to rub someones back?

That's it.

Someone who spent 3 years to get a bachelor in therapy is going to cost you more than someone who desperatly needs money and has no other job opportunity than the sex trade.

[Vladimir]

More like the front of someone's lower back. :yes:

[Hosakawa Tito]

Well if ya don't survive your health parlor visit make sure your last wish is to have the funeral conducted in Taiwan (http://io9.com/5819625/in-taiwan-you-can-hire-a-stripper-for-your-funeral).

Now that's a funeral your family & friends won't ever forget, lovely custom indeed. Heck, I bet some people go and don't even know the deceased.:yes:

[Major Robert Dump]

Finally, a subject I am an expert on.

Legitimate massage parlors charge more because, since they are legitimate, they abide more diligently to regulations, licensing procedures, continued education,etc. Getting a massuese license is easy. Marketing yourself and a pro and staying up to date in professional associations,etc, is not.

Sleazy massage parlors,on the otherhand, hold a special place in my heart. Sometimes, a guy just needs a nice girl who barely speaks English with whom to talk politics, life and love.

And on a related note, Bagram Air Field, Salerno and Sharana FOBS in Afghanistan have massage services. Unfortunately, "I would like a blue berry muffin" does not mean the same thing as it does in Tulsa.

[Vladimir]

I thought they shut those down...again.

[Major Robert Dump]

No. They are legit, though. The girls giving the massage won't even talk to you, they leave the curtain halfway open, and when the massage is done they are out the room before you can even attempt to tip. You have to pay at the cash register. And there are giant signs warning UCMJ for blueberry muffins

[Vladimir]

Sounds like I'd feel guilty for all those extra calories.

[Cute Wolf]

and, after checking about usual "xxx" prices with my "bad boy" friends... and cross-checked with internet sources about prices here and overseas, I'm left a bit confused, and also ashamed, that prostitution prices in Indonesia are very very cheap compared with another countries... (only some africans and south americans have equally lower prices)

man... the average price of mid tier brothel is under $12 for sexual intercourse, what the hell? and low tier prices are horribly cheap, I lost my words to said that...

(I just hope our politicians stop being hypocrite, and start to do Dutch system of regulations, at least that kind of business should be taxed)

[rory_20_uk]

Abdolute numbers are not helpful - at least for me. What does a nurse earn for a shift? If 10 hours of backbreaking work is the same money as bobbing on some bloke's knob for 30 minutes then why not do the latter and have the rest of the day off? Few blokes are going to get the choice of occupation.

I agree that legalise and tax is the answer to most questions. Pretending it doesn't exist / trying to police it to destruction very rarely works.

~:smoking:

[Major Robert Dump]

$12 huh? I may need to rethink my Phillipines vacation.

[Vladimir]

$12 huh? I may need to rethink my Phillipines vacation.

Sure, but you probably get what you pay for.

[rory_20_uk]

Sure, but you probably get what you pay for.

You're ignoring exchange rate differences. If everything is comparatively cheaper you can get the same quality for less. Hence why people go to have surgery abroad, and there is so much interest in holidays in certain parts of Thailand.

~:smoking:

[Vladimir]

You're ignoring exchange rate differences. If everything is comparatively cheaper you can get the same quality for less. Hence why people go to have surgery abroad, and there is so much interest in holidays in certain parts of Thailand.

~:smoking:

True, but my comment was in the context of CW's comment. Apparently that's inexpensive to him too.

[Cute Wolf]

True, but my comment was in the context of CW's comment. Apparently that's inexpensive to him too.

yep, that's hardly 3 burgers

[Vladimir]

yep, that's hardly 3 burgers

Oh, that is just ripe for punnery. :laugh4:

[Cute Wolf]

Oh, that is just ripe for punnery. :laugh4:

intended :wink:

Mc Donald's Big Mac cost about $3.8 here, pizza hut averaged at $ 10
and the price of girls are utterly cheap here...

P.S: if someone wants to visit Indonesia, I suggest you NOT to go to Bali or Batam or Jakarta, they're internationally priced, for 2 hours of bus/train ride (for $5) you can visit Bandung

[rory_20_uk]

True, but my comment was in the context of CW's comment. Apparently that's inexpensive to him too.

Fair point.

I guess one can review the physical appearance and screen on that, it is the potential for underlying disease that is the main problem. Hep C would be the one would be concerned with. Hep A/B one can have immunisations and even HIV one can take pre-emptive antiretrovirals.

~:smoking:

[Major Robert Dump]

You are telling me I can get 2 big macs and sex for @ $20. I haven't found a deal like that since East St Louis.

[Centurion1]

$12 huh? I may need to rethink my Phillipines vacation.

see with the phillipines your getting the opportunity to get with a woman who has been lacking for a military man to seduce since the base closed. They will be clamoring for your attention and try to steal you away to marry. You may very well not need to pay.

And CW indonesia sucks. 3.80 for a big mac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ia m simply outraged. outraged i tell you. The cheap hookers doesn't even make up for it.

[Skullheadhq]

see with the phillipines your getting the opportunity to get with a woman who has been lacking for a military man to seduce since the base closed. They will be clamoring for your attention and try to steal you away to marry. You may very well not need to pay.

And CW indonesia sucks. 3.80 for a big mac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ia m simply outraged. outraged i tell you. The cheap hookers doesn't even make up for it.

Indonesia is islands at the tropic, and their climate unsuitable for cattle breeding, it's simple logic that beef costs a lot more. Try compare that with poultry or more drastically, fish.

[Major Robert Dump]

So that would mean the Filet-O-Fish would cost about 27 cent??? I love McFish. I love McHooker and McMassage parlor more, though

[Strike For The South]

The economics of sex trafficking are so interesting

[Vladimir]

The economics of sex trafficking are so interesting



Sex trafficking would be bringing them here, terrorizing them, and locking them up in someone's basement. What you're referring to is much worse than what the subject here is.

There were similar cases of modern day slavery here in the DC area.

[Strike For The South]

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Sex trafficking would be bringing them here, terrorizing them, and locking them up in someone's basement. What you're referring to is much worse than what the subject here is.

There were similar cases of modern day slavery here in the DC area.

Yes yes Im sure all those women are quite willing

[Ronin]

Yes yes Im sure all those women are quite willing

no reason to assume one way or the other...unless presented with proof.

legalize it.

[Strike For The South]

no reason to assume one way or the other...unless presented with proof.

legalize it.

Y u no let me spread my contrian wings?

http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/indonesia

Asia: Where Farm animals have more vaule than women

[Centurion1]

Sometimes I thank God that I was born in a comfortable western home.

Statistics like this are so depressing.

[Kralizec]

no reason to assume one way or the other...unless presented with proof.

legalize it.

In many cases their willingness to hold the job is certainly suspect, in many others it is not.

If it's illegal and punishable under law, the practice will continue anyway behind the backs of the authorities. Making it legal at least makes it feasable to combat human trafficking and unwilling prostitution.

[Vladimir]

Y u no let me spread my contrian wings?

http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/indonesia

Asia: Where Farm animals have more vaule than women

So you're saying Australia should stop exporting women to Indonesia?

[Strike For The South]

Is that a joke about farm seX?

[Vladimir]

Is that a joke about farm seX?

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/live-cattle-ban-to-stay-20110607-1fr8b.html

Could be worse. Could be Mexico. Those poor donkeys. :shame:

[jirisys]

man... the average price of mid tier brothel is under $12 for sexual intercourse, what the hell? and low tier prices are horribly cheap, I lost my words to said that...

$20 here in El Salvador.

~Jirisys ()

[Vladimir]

$20 here in El Salvador.

~Jirisys ()

What?! I got ripped off. :angry:

Must of been the drunk gringo surcharge.

[jirisys]

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/live-cattle-ban-to-stay-20110607-1fr8b.html

Could be worse. Could be Mexico. Those poor donkeys. :shame:

Mexican's aren't donkeys.

~Jirisys ()

[Populus Romanus]

$20 here in El Salvador.

~Jirisys ()I know where I'm spending the rest of my summer break.:mellow:

[Cute Wolf]

http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/indonesia

Asia: Where Farm animals have more vaule than women

soo, true and undeniable


$20 here in El Salvador.

~Jirisys ()

hell, the message parlors in el savador are cheaper? or did that low tier stiffs?


What?! I got ripped off. :angry:

Must of been the drunk gringo surcharge.


I know where I'm spending the rest of my summer break.:mellow:

yeah, everyone assume white americans is rich and charged a lot

[Ronin]

Mexican's aren't donkeys.

~Jirisys ()

you didn´t get the reference...

google it...

[Populus Romanus]

yeah, everyone assume white americans is rich and charged a lotNo I'm talking about the burgers.

[Major Robert Dump]

Ah, yes, the old "all prostitutes are slaves" argument.

I can asure you, SFTS, that I have no plans on going to Indonesia and picking up 12 year old hookers or paying some guy in an alley named Gator to show me his hoes.

People conveniently forget that prostitution existed in places like Indonesia, Phillipines and Thailand long before it became a destination for western sex tourists, and the number one customer of said workers are still local nationals, westerners only get the attention because they pay more. Meanwhile, the number one customer for these trafficked persons for importation are countries in asia and the middle east who, incidentally, have a shortage of women because of overly oppressive governments and gender-based abortions. These countires aslo make up a disporoprtionally large segement of tourists to places like Bali.

It's pretty well known within the US State Dept that Indonesia doesn't enforce anti-trafficking laws and they don't talke a harder-line against trafficking because of their happy-fun muslim sex tourism role that boosts their economy.

Other countries, like Thialand and the Phillipines, enforce anti-trafficking and child exploitation laws, but turn the cheek with prostitution because it is an integral part of both the tourist scene and to local economic culture.

[rory_20_uk]

Prostitutes must be slaves, as no one would choose to be one, would they? Women have to be victims in this. There is no way they could have made a concious choice. The fact that one could make multiples of the weekly minimum wage in one evening is something to be overlooked. Although few blokes are in this line of work (women rarely need to bother paying) there never seems to be the same assumptive language that they are poor victims.

Of course some are trafficked. And similarly there were slave gangs working gathering cockles who all drowned when the tide came in. That itself does not invalidate the whole business.

~:smoking:

[Major Robert Dump]

I strongly recommend reading up on the various explorers/traders adventures through the Asian countries in the early days of international trade. They have been screwing tourists brains out for 1000 years. Sex is, and always has been, a different animal there. One funny aspect of Filipino culture is the manner in which Catholicism has clashed with their sexual past; Whats even funnier is that the Spanish exploited the island for its sexual benefits while simeltaneously imposing its sexually-repressive religion. The end result are people who are uninhibited about sex but never use birth control, and the place is seriously over crowded with a lack of jobs. Now thats funny.

I do background investigations on mail-order brides and bar-girls turned housewives. Bar girls in Thailand and the Phillipines are far from indentured servants. They can make as much as doctors. And one of the biggest problems I run in to using local national contractors as investigators (still trying to get my own license, its very difficult as a foreigner) is that they frequently end up having sex with the girl being investigated. It's not uncommon to catch a girl ripping of more than one potential husband from the west, and its not uncommon for her to be married w/ her husband actively participating in the scam and apparently okay with her sleeping with men for money. I've even seen grandmothers and children involved, with them having no-camera cyber sex with the boyfriend when he calls and mom isn't home, and even meeting him when he visits and pretending to be cousins.

The city, the state, the country knows all about these establsihments, they have websites, they have forums, they have memberships. This is not human trafficking.

I might also point out that the anti-human trafficking treaty that a bunch of the countries agreed to was nothing more than a way for countries to tax human traffickers rather than stop it. The law was vastly supported by "Dating Agencies" and "Mail order bride agencies" because it made it illegel for a marriage broker to give a foreigner a girls personal information or to give her a means to transmit such information. As a result, these "brokers" now have a monoploy on who the girl talks to and can charge exhuberant mediation and translation fees to exchange digital letters between the two, even though many of the girls speak english just fine. There is one agency that charges westerners $8 to read a letter, and $8 to send a letter, even though its all digital. Meanwhile, contractor-affiliates at local level offices spam letters to potential suiters that often times the girl did not even send. The girls themselves have to pay a fee, and often times one side or the other can no longer afford to continue the relationship; the agency will not allow a means for either person to get in contact unless the man pysically shows up at one of their offices via a tour booked by the agency, sings a form saying he understands international law, and then pays the agency. All this to "protect" her.

If it werent for agencies like mentioned above, there would be far more women in these countries able to find their own husbands on their own accord.

On the other hand, free-to-use singles sites are ripe with con artists on both sides.

Regarding the numbers for human trafficking victims, those are impossible to accurately estimate in third world or developing countries because due to lack of national ID numbers (like SS) and the agencies who report these things often estimate high for the purpose of validity of their agenda. I notice on the State Dept website they don't give outright time frames with many of their numbers, or they use estimates from 3rd party resources. 100,000 women and 70,000 children a year trafficked in Indonesia? 400,000 women and 50,000 children in Thailand? Thats 1/120th of the population, and I don't buy that for a second. These numbers are being distorted somehow, either in the collection (like counting someone in forced prostitution w/ multiple partners multiple times) or they are being intentionally exaggerated for a broader agenda that probably ranges in reasons from increase in international aid, international treaties that create a new dirivitives market like the one mentioned above, and "victims" who purporte to be victims to avoid the wrath of authorities

[Skullheadhq]

$12 and $20 for an STD you say? I'd prefer one for free, or wait, better still, none at all. I don't get how anyone in his right mind would have intercourse with a prostitute who had like 20 other guys on the same day.

[Cute Wolf]

$12 and $20 for an STD you say? I'd prefer one for free, or wait, better still, none at all until marriage of course. I don't get how anyone in his right mind would have intercourse with a prostitute who had like 20 other guys on the same day.

seconded and corrected :wink: but unfortunely, not everyone follows our Christian moral code truthfully

and about the STD, it's a sad things, but STD awareness isn't in the minds of most Indonesians right now, especially people on the lower ranks of society

in the other ways, St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas said the prostitution are necessary evil, they're sin, and big sin indeed, but it was needed to let society vent their sinful ways towards less destructive works. (... masturbation? Lol, not that one)

[Strike For The South]

Ah, yes, the old "all prostitutes are slaves" argument.

I can asure you, SFTS, that I have no plans on going to Indonesia and picking up 12 year old hookers or paying some guy in an alley named Gator to show me his hoes.

People conveniently forget that prostitution existed in places like Indonesia, Phillipines and Thailand long before it became a destination for western sex tourists, and the number one customer of said workers are still local nationals, westerners only get the attention because they pay more. Meanwhile, the number one customer for these trafficked persons for importation are countries in asia and the middle east who, incidentally, have a shortage of women because of overly oppressive governments and gender-based abortions. These countires aslo make up a disporoprtionally large segement of tourists to places like Bali.

It's pretty well known within the US State Dept that Indonesia doesn't enforce anti-trafficking laws and they don't talke a harder-line against trafficking because of their happy-fun muslim sex tourism role that boosts their economy.

Other countries, like Thialand and the Phillipines, enforce anti-trafficking and child exploitation laws, but turn the cheek with prostitution because it is an integral part of both the tourist scene and to local economic culture.


Prostitutes must be slaves, as no one would choose to be one, would they? Women have to be victims in this. There is no way they could have made a concious choice. The fact that one could make multiples of the weekly minimum wage in one evening is something to be overlooked. Although few blokes are in this line of work (women rarely need to bother paying) there never seems to be the same assumptive language that they are poor victims.

Of course some are trafficked. And similarly there were slave gangs working gathering cockles who all drowned when the tide came in. That itself does not invalidate the whole business.

~:smoking:

I never said either of these things

[Skullheadhq]

seconded and corrected :wink: but unfortunely, not everyone follows our Christian moral code truthfully

and about the STD, it's a sad things, but STD awareness isn't in the minds of most Indonesians right now, especially people on the lower ranks of society

in the other ways, St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas said the prostitution are necessary evil, they're sin, and big sin indeed, but it was needed to let society vent their sinful ways towards less destructive works. (... masturbation? Lol, not that one)

You wouldn't want a sexual transmitted disease until marriage? :stare:
You are a very , very weird man, Cute Wolf :laugh4:

STD stands for sexual transmitted disease, I think it's more of a translation error than a serious statement, or so I hope...

[Cute Wolf]

Oops, i think that was sex, duh... *dunk head in sand, ashamed*

[Vladimir]

Oops, i think that was sex, duh... *dunk head in sand, ashamed*

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