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Now, the only thing I don't understand, what is up with CR and Kage here? Anything I'm missing?
The game's plot is a sequel to GH's Mafia X. GH wrote part of the initial background story and gave permission to do it. It seemed proper to use that setting because this was, essentially, a vanilla mafia game with only a single rule change (albeit a significant one). Plus, using that setting gave me an excuse to be absurd, which I find far more fun to write (and read) than ultra-serious horror movie stuff. I think it would have gotten dreadfully dull if I had tried to write this entire thing as an actual conversion of the movie itself.
Plus, Kage and CR deserve to be immortalized in the Gameroom for their Mafia series victories.
I'm curious about deadville, quick first comment: mandatory for people to avoid tracking down when and where ppl posted, it just spoils the investigation...
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 15:24
Plus, Kage and CR deserve to be immortalized in the Gameroom for their Mafia series victories.
Ah, I know Kage won Mafia I, and just saw that both Kage and CR won Mafia X. :bow: I'll have you know I wasn't in both of those games, taking advantage of the lack of my presence obviously. :snobby:
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 15:24
GG, all. :)
Aright, sure Tincow, invisible for all.Make it more difficult for the town. :evil:
However, I think you should keep the one-Thing setup. Let it take its victims' powers, but 3 Things makes it more of a typical Mafia game. A rose by any other name, after all.
However, I think you should keep the one-Thing setup. Let it take its victims' powers, but 3 Things makes it more of a typical Mafia game. A rose by any other name, after all.
Well, I was planning on having pro-town roles that would have some kind of detective ability, consistent with The Thing games. You know, the blood-testing thing. The movie conveniently provides a counter ability to this, where the Thing can plant his own blood on someone else to provide a false-positive. I'm just afraid that with 30+ players and pro-town roles, that will be way too hard for a single Thing.
Maybe something like the Thing can choose to "seed" one of his victims? I'm just brainstorming...
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:31
*bows worshipfully toward the mighty Reenk*
Best scum performance besides a winning one ever, and this one was far more entertaining.
Townies suck by comparison. :snobby:
Being Reenk was more fun than anything I've done in a long while, and watching Reenk be me was more fun than that.
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 15:35
Perhaps the Thing has a get-out-of-lynch-free card for the first half of the game?
From the QT: "If I were him, I would take Nick because he would be incredibly easy to impersonate (all you have to do is rhyme)."
Nuh-uhhhhh! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_couplet)
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 15:41
Reading the QT now. Thanks for the support. :2thumbsup: TinCow if I had continued access to this it would be quite unfair, good call. :bow:
I didn't want to off you so fast either Tratorix. Two biggest regrets killing john and Tratorix so fast.
:laugh4: Ishmael actually got the Berkeley reference. Nice. :2thumbsup:
Thanks Atpg, it was very fun being you, and it was definitely something I wanted to do. :bow: It was hard though, I was initally worried about what you called GH, but later just did it based on my impressions of you. It wasn't the best impression, but it was a start. Maybe I can do it again. Didn't even know I had once said Reentution. :laugh4: I have seen you use the wink smileys a couple of times though. :creep:
I think the dead players should have a collective ability. Maybe it doesn't even have to be protown, they can vote which side they want to help and then do it. It would be a good way to have the Thing cater to his audience.
With my seeding idea, I was thinking that maybe if the Thing actually dies, it will make the egg hatch and a new Thing born...
Obviously this would be limited (one timer) and needs to be set by the previous Thing...
No idea if it could be a nice feature...
BTW Reenk, beside GH and Monty (I kinda have an idea), why did you keep me and classical alive?
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:50
Thanks Atpg, it was very fun being you, and it was definitely something I wanted to do. :bow:
I suspected as much. If anyone could get away with being Askthepizzaguy for a day, I think they'd take it just to try on my big floppy clown shoes.
I wanted to put some icing on the cake, in that me pretending to be you as closely as possible would make it a tiny bit easier for you to mimic me, because if you did anything obviously Reenk-y, it could be interpreted as just a good impression of you I was doing.
And finally, being able to act like Reenk Roink after declaring that Reenk Roink was the Thing, means you were literally able to be yourself, after outing yourself as scum, right underneath everyone's nose, the round after I said you'd be able to talk to GH without him knowing it was you.
I lolled HARD at that.
It was hard though, I was initally worried about what you called GH, but later just did it based on my impressions of you. It wasn't the best impression, but it was a start. Maybe I can do it again. Didn't even know I had once said Reentution. :laugh4: I have seen you use the wink smileys a couple of times though. :creep:
Tip: Watch out for word choice. My vocabulary is not as precise or sophisticated as yours, as I mention in the QT, and gave examples. You used words I would never use, like "abstentions". But the townies weren't actually looking for you that round it seemed, they were setting up for the endgame. Their loss, I suppose. Careful reading of Rocco would have outed you.
I think the dead players who have been taken over by The Thing should do everything in their power not to make things harder for the Thing player. My gameroom post slip made me feel like poo because this role was fun and in any way ruining it for you would have been as horrible for me as my accidental outing of my own partner in Council of Villains II as a cultist who just plain forgot who his teammates were.
Some things aren't cool in mafia games, and nearly losing the game for you by being careless wouldn't have been fun for me.
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:51
Also, I wouldn't miss a detail like you once saying Reentuition. I had to be accurate on that, but I guess you spelled it two different ways at times. :wink:
I think the dead players should have a collective ability. Maybe it doesn't even have to be protown, they can vote which side they want to help and then do it. It would be a good way to have the Thing cater to his audience.
One option might simply be to give the people confined to the Dead Thread a reason to help the Thing. Perhaps all Dead Thread players are allowed to choose whether they want to back town or mafia. It is a one-off, irreversible choice that must be made before the end of the next game phase after they die. Players who back town will win with the town as per usual. Players who back mafia will... what? It seems unfair to the mafia to give those players full 'mafia' victories, but is some kind of 'minor victory' really an incentive?
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 15:56
Suggestion: Players who back the Thing will be counted as a draw if the Thing wins, loss if the town wins.
0.5 points in the statistics thread, not a full point. It's a risk, and staying townie is worth a full point. So, risk/reward.
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 16:08
It was actually very hard for me to be able to find consistency in this game. My schedule basically at game onset got extremely busy with classes starting up again. I would have loved to go and read up on everyone I replaced again and make an informed decision and an accurate representation. Instead I had to settle for impressions. I don't think my word choice was the problem with impersonating you. I doubt anyone but yourself could have caught on to minor problems in diction like that (I wasn't posting like I would post in a philosophy of science thread in the backroom). My problem wasn't the style of the posts as it was the content. Your posts are generally longer and usually have a narrative structure even for the most concise of points. I didn't really have the time or energy at the time to replicate that. Thankfully, you were much quieter this game and also pretended to act like me. Same with GH, all I could do was post in his style, not so much his content. I had planned for a bit to replace GH earlier, because he impressed me, but I never got around to researching his posts. I just went on impressions.
With that being said, my schedule did help me in this way. I am awake a lot at night, and on my desk a lot. I can periodically browse the Org to see who's on. This is what happened with GH for the early part of the last day (bought my laptop to class tough guy :pleased:). DiY, you mentioned the timezone thing, but consider that as Paulie in the very beginning, I was posting at 5 AM (eastern). I'm a medical student. I don't sleep. :laugh4:
I lurked on and off just to let myself get away from the game for a bit. Lurking is also the very best strategy to win in this game, and lynching lurkers, which I hate doing in a lot of games with a lot of roles, is the best strategy for town. I'll talk more on that.
Finally, GH, first of all, while Stamkos could potentially not even be in his prime yet, I think he's hit his ceiling. And Lecavalier is more talented, and more dynamic. Stamkos is a shooter, and he's very reliant on speed. Lecavalier is stronger, has much better puck control and stickhandling, and is a lot more creative. Lecavalier has been a disappointment given his pretty darn good career, because of his talent. He should have been a hall of famer at this point. I think now that Tampa's top 6 is a little weaker, Lecavalier will get more time with St. Louis, which means Stamkos will get less time with him. And that is bad for Stamkos.
Were you a better hockey scout :tongue2:, I would have straight up killed Monty and kept Sonny. I was guessing you would go for Arjos or classical, as you were prone to before.
I'll post the rest of my thoughts on the game later today when I get time.
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 16:09
Suggestion: Players who back the Thing will be counted as a draw if the Thing wins, loss if the town wins.
0.5 points in the statistics thread, not a full point. It's a risk, and staying townie is worth a full point. So, risk/reward.
Meh, why should dead people get the chance to go for any sort of win based on somebody else's play?
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 16:13
Meh, why should dead people get the chance to go for any sort of win based on somebody else's play?
Consider it betting on the race horse you want to win.
Because it's the scum's play, rather than the town's, that would be required, and you were townie, then you take the half-point loss anyway and hope that your bet on the scums recoups at least the half-point.
Betting on townies if they lose is worth a loss, or zero. Betting on townies if they win is worth a win, or 1.
Betting on scum if they lose is worth zero, betting on scum who win is worth half.
I think that's fair and makes the game more interesting for the dead, gives them a chance to win a half-point to make up for the lameness of being silenced.
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 16:16
Hypothetical situation,
You are the sort of person that cares about your stats in Roman's thread, you are one win behind somebody you don't like. A game starts, you are mafia he's town. You kill him, he chooses you to win. You win the game for a point, he get's half a point and is still ahead of you. Sound fair?
The lameness of being silenced is part of mafia, if you want to talk don't die night one. :shrug: :clown:
If I win a game as mafia I certainly wouldn't want people piggy backing on it.
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 16:22
Because I could finally score a win this way? :clown:
Reenk! Well, first off, great job, it was great fun watching you and, as I said in the Dead QT, I think you did much more with the role than many others would have done. There was a reason I didn't volunteer for the job as thing. BUT I'm very disappointed you didn't take over my account :tongue:
@TinCow: How bout this: Have two or three things with the ability to put their blood on someone at night but at the expense of killing. So they could either "frame" someone who will then appear as the thing to detectives or kill someone. Also, maybe you should put into the rules that the thing must not edit any past posts of the account it has taken over. I don't think Reenk did that it's just something that came to my mind when I posted my number pattern. It could easily have been avoided by editing two or three of them and then going on to post random numbers. Of course it didn't matter this game because Reenk didn't take over my account and obviously no one figured out the pattern anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 16:23
Hypothetical situation,
You are the sort of person that cares about your stats in Roman's thread, you are one win behind somebody you don't like. A game starts, you are mafia he's town. You kill him, he chooses you to win. You win the game for a point, he get's half a point and is still ahead of you. Sound fair?
Yep. I don't consider what their stats were before the game when considering whether or not scoring was fair for a particular game.
If they have more points, then they've likely earned them. Taking a half-point loss regardless of town win or scum win is fair for the betting game I've suggested. Not fair would be getting full points for betting against your team.
The lameness of being silenced is part of mafia, if you want to talk don't die night one. :shrug: :clown:
I just choose not to join games where I can't talk if I'm dead. The FUN of this game is being able to participate or influence your chances of winning.
If you can't talk, betting on the winner is fine with me.
If I win a game as mafia I certainly wouldn't want people piggy backing on it.
That's because you're a selfish, greedy man. :clown:
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 16:25
I think the problem was more that there was nothing to figure out in the dead quicktopic, Reenk revealed before I even got a buddy. A larger game, with pro town roles and slightly different Thing mechanics, would give the dead topics to talk about in the QT, other than just "Reenk is awesome!!" from everybody.
I just choose not to join games where I can't talk if I'm dead. The FUN of this game is being able to participate or influence your chances of winning.
I would probably choose not to join a game where the dead can switch sides. :shrug:
Guess we gotta agree to disagree on this one.
In the QT you got to laugh, while here was nothing but confusion and headaches :D
Askthepizzaguy
08-26-2011, 16:30
topics to talk about in the QT, other than just "Reenk is awesome!!" from everybody.
Probably the most productive QT of all time. :beam:
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 16:30
@TinCow: How bout this: Have two or three things with the ability to put their blood on someone at night but at the expense of killing. So they could either "frame" someone who will then appear as the thing to detectives or kill someone. Also, maybe you should put into the rules that the thing must not edit any past posts of the account it has taken over. I don't think Reenk did that it's just something that came to my mind when I posted my number pattern. It could easily have been avoided by editing two or three of them and then going on to post random numbers. Of course it didn't matter this game because Reenk didn't take over my account and obviously no one figured out the pattern anyway.
I like this. But with two Things.
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 16:32
Because I could finally score a win this way? :clown:
Reenk! Well, first off, great job, it was great fun watching you and, as I said in the Dead QT, I think you did much more with the role than many others would have done. There was a reason I didn't volunteer for the job as thing. BUT I'm very disappointed you didn't take over my account :tongue:
@TinCow: How bout this: Have two or three things with the ability to put their blood on someone at night but at the expense of killing. So they could either "frame" someone who will then appear as the thing to detectives or kill someone. Also, maybe you should put into the rules that the thing must not edit any past posts of the account it has taken over. I don't think Reenk did that it's just something that came to my mind when I posted my number pattern. It could easily have been avoided by editing two or three of them and then going on to post random numbers. Of course it didn't matter this game because Reenk didn't take over my account and obviously no one figured out the pattern anyway.
TLD, I'll be honest, I killed you because of your number thing. First of all, I'm quoting The freakin' Analyst here. The situational irony was overwhelming. Second, you do realize that although The Thing doesn't know about your number pattern, neither does anyone else. So I was not impressed with the numbers and foreign language things (DiY: who else speaks Chinese here?).
I did regret killing you later on, because GH had started to slow down from his strong start, and I kinda wanted you to be in endgame.
Speaking of GH, was it just me (probably not, he got a ton of votes on him throughout the game) or was he extremely, well, scummy, this entire game? Saying he was being consistent explicitly, trying to get into my psyche (Reenk's Razor v1 was never intended for actual deployment, it was to make a caustic point about the arbitrariness of Ockham's Razor, Reenk's Razor v2 is much improved and can actually be deployed as a guiding heuristic), I even thought his Vinny defense thing was suspicious, leaving a lurker alive so a Thing could later use him. If I was a townie, I would have lynched GH just for being a distraction.
The thing is (XD) with your Pizza performance, which is stuff of legend, there was so much confusion going on...
I started with a non-voting policy; then to whatever town had up and running 'cos there was just chaos; followed by get rid of lurkers since the few left had actually a profile that could be double checked...
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 16:40
I thought so, man but I figured there was a slight chance someone would figure it out. It wasn't unsolvable at all. And if no one figured it out it wouldn't do any harm either so I jus continued doing it. Other than the numbers I was pretty much myself.
johnhughthom
08-26-2011, 16:41
Nearly forgot, thanks for the game TinCow, your contributions to the Gameroom recently have been exceptional. :bow:
And double thanks for putting up with my delusional theories when I died. :clown:
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 16:46
One option might simply be to give the people confined to the Dead Thread a reason to help the Thing. Perhaps all Dead Thread players are allowed to choose whether they want to back town or mafia. It is a one-off, irreversible choice that must be made before the end of the next game phase after they die. Players who back town will win with the town as per usual. Players who back mafia will... what? It seems unfair to the mafia to give those players full 'mafia' victories, but is some kind of 'minor victory' really an incentive?
If you think it about in terms of victories, it does become hard. I generally ignore the win/loss thing. How many times have I been a completely worthless or dead townie and won the game? It means nothing to me. In the Settlement, technically two people fulfilled all of their victory conditions, Seamus and Rhythmic. However, how can you ignore CA fulfilling his? Or many of the other special roles. This kind of stuff becomes impossible to quantify.
I was thinking of YLC's game Whispers in the Night when I made the suggestion. Dead townies were not allowed to post in thread, they went to a quicktopic. They had a protown contact and a collective investigation ability. However, the Mafia also could convert ghosts to their side. The mafia got nothing out of this except an eye on the ghosts, but it could be expanded.
I suppose the biggest incentive would be the abilities. If the dead town as a whole likes the way the Thing is playing, they can back him with abilities. If not, they can try and hinder him. Maybe the prothing abilities are more interesting for the incentive?
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 16:58
BTW Reenk, beside GH and Monty (I kinda have an idea), why did you keep me and classical alive?
I kept GH alive mainly because at first I wanted to replace him. Later on, his activity was becoming less interesting, and so I wanted to fool him. I couldn't decide at the end so I gave him a little question.
I kept Monty alive because he's a profile/activity watcher. I had guessed this would be the most difficult thing about replacements (From the first Analyst quote: "It hath been an old remark that Lestarde (replaced Geometry - reference to Kommodus's profile watching program) is an excellent Logic. And it must be owned, that when the Definitions are clear; when the Postulata cannot be refused, nor the Axioms denied; when from the distinct Contemplation and Comparison of Figures, their Properties are derived, by a perpetual well-connected chain of Consequences, the Objects being still kept in view, and the attention ever fixed upon them; there is acquired a habit of reasoning, close and exact and methodical: which habit strengthens and sharpens the Mind, and being transferred to other Subjects, is of general use in the inquiry after Truth. But how far this is the case of our Behavioral Analysts, it may be worth while to consider.) In fact, had GH selected otherwise, I most likely would have killed Monty, because activity watching is kinda cheap just like the number/language thing. It's just more effective than those.
I kept you alive personally because I liked how you played. I thought you had good instincts. Sad to say I was right. :laugh4: Good job :bow:
I kept Lucanio alive because I really didn't know who he was at the time. Granted after that, I went back and thought he was classical, but before I never expended the effort to figure him out. Most others I was able to get just by my regular reading of the thread. So I figured, hey this guy is pretty sneaky.
Also, I'm sorry to hear about your illness c_h, and hope all the best for you. :bow: Monty, it's OK to not buy the RL excuses (Sigurd has used them a lot), but I thought the way you confronted c_h about it was really mean.
Eh eh, well I really appreciate your code, and as I said even losing against such a Thing is nothing shameful...
Many thanks to TinCow for hosting and best wishes for a full recovery classical ^^
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 17:48
True, thanks for the game TinCow, looking forward to the large game.
classical_hero
08-26-2011, 17:58
I think it is going to be impossible to stop people from guessing who you via activity, since you can tell if someone has been active by checking on other games, if they are playing other games. So I don't see how being invisible will help with that regard, since that is how I realised the Reenk was Vito by looking at two different games going on at the same time. So I am not too sure how we are going to solve the problem with. Also what did people think of my strategy to post for much of the game in Italian?
TheLastDays
08-26-2011, 18:01
Honestly, I ignored your posts because I was too lazy to put them through a translator to read them ^^
Since I'm Italian, I was just lolling at the auto-translations XD
classical_hero
08-26-2011, 18:10
Since I'm Italian, I was just lolling at the auto-translations XDI'm glad it gave you a laugh.
I like this quote from TC in the QT
He'd been toying with the idea for a while, but decided to wait out the second day before doing it. It's certainly an entertaining move, and must be rather fun for him. I don't know about you guys, but whenever I'm scum I always wish I could publicly taunt the town. Reenk actually gets to do so while still having a chance at victory. Play straight during the day, have fun at night. In one mafia game I was confirmed about half way as being a killable mafia and yet because they thought I was the head mafia who could not be killed before the rest of my scum buddies were still around, so as result I had a great time taunting the town and when they eventually fond out the real unkillable guy, they thought it was someone else, so it was an enjoyable romp.
GeneralHankerchief
08-26-2011, 18:52
Great game everyone, especially to Reenk. :bow:
I've just moved into my place for the semester, so I don't have much time right now, but here are a couple of quick thoughts on the game:
1) Reenk, the reason why I seemed to be slowing down at the end was intentional. After that initial "list" that you liked, I twice purposely held off on going all-out after you because I wanted more time to gather information so as to make a stronger case. Unfortunately, I took too long both times. The first time was when I thought you had taken over Pizza's role, and then you killed Pizza. The second time was the endgame, and then I died. Had you waited a round longer either time, I think I would have become a bit more interesting.
2) Had I picked Lecavalier over Stamkos and you had let me live, I had a plan to figure out if you were either Nick/Monty or Sonny/DiY. I know DiY well enough to ask him a question only he could answer, and with Nick/Monty, as I mentioned in the QT, I would have been able to get you from the image hosting thing. If you had taken over either Frank or Luciano, I would have had a tougher time but in the end those odds are 50-50, which aren't bad. :laugh4:
3) That last round... heh. I think there was a point in time where Reenk and I were just staring at each other's profiles for about ten minutes, constantly refreshing. Probably the closest thing you'll ever get to an internet staredown.
Excellent game to TinCow, definitely my favorite I've played this year (which isn't saying much, but still). :bow: Everybody, I had a great time playing with you and best wishes for a speedy recovery, classical.
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 19:56
2) Had I picked Lecavalier over Stamkos and you had let me live, I had a plan to figure out if you were either Nick/Monty or Sonny/DiY. I know DiY well enough to ask him a question only he could answer, and with Nick/Monty, as I mentioned in the QT, I would have been able to get you from the image hosting thing. If you had taken over either Frank or Luciano, I would have had a tougher time but in the end those odds are 50-50, which aren't bad. :laugh4:
I would have to stick with Sonny though, because I cant kill Monty but replace another guy. I didn't know about the thing you knew about DiY, so yeah, I'd be doomed there most likely. :laugh4: Nice planning though, I was getting the impression that you weren't to concerned about DiY.
The image hosting thing is another thing altogether. I doubt I'd respond to that. Then again, I never planned on replacing Monty. I know you and I know Atpg fairly well to try and skim on impressions even if it isn't perfect. I'd probably botch a Monty impersonation badly. Plus the guy kept changing his style. Monty seemed to think he got me to chat with you as Sonny on the last day because of the "I like your writeups comment" but that wasn't it. The first thing I did was send in the order to replace Vito. Despite quoting Journey, I did know where I would have been tomorrow.
3) That last round... heh. I think there was a point in time where Reenk and I were just staring at each other's profiles for about ten minutes, constantly refreshing. Probably the closest thing you'll ever get to an internet staredown.
:laugh4::laugh4: I was wondering about the "Viewing User Profile" thing of yours. I had guessed it was me.
I found out that the profile watching thing CAN be beat if you are able and willing to put the time and effort, but it gets very boring. For the first 4 hours of the game I was refreshing every 15 minutes. Then it slowed down as activity did. I wanted to give up by late afternoon (I asked TinCow if I could request you use invisible mode for the rest of the round but he couldn't say yes cause of the rules), and by evening I did. And you know what, if Monty is going to refresh for 11 hours, he deserves to win. :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
08-26-2011, 20:36
:laugh4::laugh4: I was wondering about the "Viewing User Profile" thing of yours. I had guessed it was me.
I found out that the profile watching thing CAN be beat if you are able and willing to put the time and effort, but it gets very boring. For the first 4 hours of the game I was refreshing every 15 minutes. Then it slowed down as activity did. I wanted to give up by late afternoon (I asked TinCow if I could request you use invisible mode for the rest of the round but he couldn't say yes cause of the rules), and by evening I did. And you know what, if Monty is going to refresh for 11 hours, he deserves to win. :laugh4:
Yeah, I guess mods can see exactly which user profile anyone's viewing. That was pretty funny. :laugh4:
As soon as I noticed you were corresponding your responses as Vito with my online times, I actually took the step of logging off the .Org and keeping track of things as a guest, which I never do. So you got me to do that at least. :tongue: And btw, I made a promise to myself and a few other people to never go into invisible mode, even if the host recommends it. So basically unless the host explicity demands such a thing or else I'm not allowed to play, I'm staying visible so you can always track my activity that way.
And btw, I made a promise to myself and a few other people to never go into invisible mode, even if the host recommends it.
Out of curiosity, why? I always prefer to be invisible for mafia games, though I do return to normal when I'm not involved in a game for Org-staff-approachability reasons.
GeneralHankerchief
08-26-2011, 20:53
Approachability as you mentioned, mainly. If I'm online and someone needs to ask me something important, they know I'm there. I figure I can get by without it on in games.
I think everything has been pretty much said here, so I'd just like to thank TinCow for a fabulous and entertaining game :bow:
Reenk Roink
08-26-2011, 22:33
I turned it off after Lestarde in Mafia IV. Of course, it hardly makes a difference nowadays in many games, especially the more complicated ones. But it seems to have popped up for the anonymous accounts again.
So who else wanted to be The Thing? I almost didn't get to be it, until TinCow PM'd me making sure. :sweatdrop:
Montmorency
08-26-2011, 22:36
In fact, had GH selected otherwise, I most likely would have killed Monty, because activity watching is kinda cheap just like the number/language thing. It's just more effective than those.
I kept Lucanio alive because I really didn't know who he was at the time. Granted after that, I went back and thought he was classical, but before I never expended the effort to figure him out. Most others I was able to get just by my regular reading of the thread. So I figured, hey this guy is pretty sneaky.
Also, I'm sorry to hear about your illness c_h, and hope all the best for you. Monty, it's OK to not buy the RL excuses (Sigurd has used them a lot), but I thought the way you confronted c_h about it was really mean.
Yes, it just seemed so convenient (just out of the blue) that my ScumAlarm went wild. It was an overreaction, but it was your doing, really. That Rocco misdirection really had me -uh, weird. I do apologize if you were offended, classical.
That first quote up there - well, I'll just summarize it.
My strategy for the day was to loosely imitate Reenk based on his earlier behavior. The idea was that Reenk would see me as an esy scapegoat and immediately make a case against me. But then Frank and Vito began a showdown, and though I kept up the charade I knew my plan had failed. Then Vito said:
The problem with that is that Reenk has left me alive the entire game.
Your Reenk-impersonating-Nick-impersonating-Reenk needs work, Nick.
The reason I don't think it's Nick is because he has been acting a lot like Pizza early on. Trite, jokey one-liners aimed at impersonating Reenk. I don't think Reenk would do that.
Those posts were scummy as all get-out (is this actually an expression?). And besides, that was my Pizza-impersonating-Nick-impersonating-Reenk. :wink:
Once you confronted me about the vote-change onto Vito, I backed down because I'm non-confrontational by nature. Then I remembered your earlier lurkishness and the conspicuous absence of Luciano, so I voted him to pressure him into posting. Immediately I realized that I'd let the same thing as with Rocco happen, and I took out my indignation on Luciano later on.
Recalling classical's similar behavior in the Vespasian game a few weeks ago, I realized that this was par for the course. Unfortunately, Luciano began to suspect Frank. Frank did not help the situation by acting increasingly scummy. And so by this point I had almost forgotten about you. Luciano made a long post full of old quotes just 3 minutes after Reenk had posted elsewhere. This definitively cleared him in my mind.
The whole phase, I had been collating evidence. And you did really well here. The posting activity and profile activity records indicated that Vito was legitimate. Finally, you posted again:
It may just be me, but I'm reading this exchange between Frank and Luciano as Reenk trying to cover both bases.
This post made no sense to me, but I let it slide. I posted my big ol' glob of data and waited for the analysis to roll in. Now, at the end of the post, I wrote, "Cheap? Perhaps."
So when Frank replied with, "Cheap indeed..." I nearly lost it. NO. WAY. IN. HELL. Would I allow a repeat of Rocco, is what I thought. Why would a townie ignore evidence that could only help him? Clearly Reenk was trying to discredit information that he felt might sink him, right? But I didn't revote just yet. I wanted to wait for you. You then did the worst possible thing: you ignored me. You just replied to Frank's question about Reenk's place of residence. I despaired. I really didn't like Frank's "cheap" post, but couldn't reconcile your behavior with what I knew of GH. I figured you thought "Oh, I don't need Nick. I have 2 votes already." I recognized your complacency. And townies can never afford to be complacent. Tension, dissension, apprehension had begun.
After a few hours, I'd had enough of tension, enough of inactivity. I voted Vito to force a response. "And if Vito really is town", I thought, "he deserves to lose in the tiebreaker for this arrogance." This was your last chance. Some patronizing reassurance here would have saved you, I think.
To pass the time, I reexamined my data. It struck me that you are smart. You would cover your tracks. I shouldn't look for sloppiness (as with the timing of Arjos and Franks' posts with yours).
So I noticed something about Vito's posts and GH's activity. Twice, there was a gap between GH's activity and Vito's posts of 5-15 minutes. I refused to believe that GH had been sitting in Vito planning out those 3-line posts for such a long time. But fine, I thought. This is still inconclusive.
So I continued my vigil. And at 9, it hpappened. GH posted in the Gameroom, but did not respond to my vote. I realized the truth of it immediately. Certainty flowed through me.
The second phase began. I waited for Luciano. I needed to make him vote Vito. I couldn't risk a failed tiebreaker. But the hours slid by, and there was no sign of him. Finally, at 2:20 AM, I had given up. I was about to hit the hay, but decided to check the Org once more. And Luciano had posted. I knew then that we had won.
Yep, so, you should have courted me, Reenk. I'm sure I'd have been easily convinced. I'm a sucker for authority figures. :yes: But it sure was exciting. :2thumbsup:
And you know what, if Monty is going to refresh for 11 hours, he deserves to win.
:laugh4: I was reading a book to pass the time, and I'd just refresh the Org every 10-15 minutes. Sometime around midnight, I realized that, "I've only read 50 pages, OH NOOOOOO!" :no:
This Mafia stuff is as bad as any MMO. :P
2) Had I picked Lecavalier over Stamkos and you had let me live, I had a plan to figure out if you were either Nick/Monty or Sonny/DiY. I know DiY well enough to ask him a question only he could answer, and with Nick/Monty, as I mentioned in the QT, I would have been able to get you from the image hosting thing. If you had taken over either Frank or Luciano, I would have had a tougher time but in the end those odds are 50-50, which aren't bad.
Indeed a good plan. In fact, I'd secretly hoped that Reenk would take me. I figured he - you -
I'd probably botch a Monty impersonation badly. Plus the guy kept changing his style.
wouldn't be able to convincingly imitate my manic and hyperbolic style. Even when it was no longer structured by formal meter. I doubt many could successfully trifle with this gaping maw of raving lunacy. :clown: Of course, I also hoped you wouldn't kill me, in which case I would get to taste sweet glory. :balloon2:
So yeah, good game. I look forward to singlehandedly defeating the Things in the large game!
So when Frank replied with, "Cheap indeed..." I nearly lost it. NO. WAY. IN. HELL.
Ahahahahahahah, my upright nature doesn't like that :D
I had great fun in that final round ^^
All that increasingly scummy, I'll never get it...
GeneralHankerchief
08-26-2011, 23:03
I wanted to be The Thing, oh yeah. :yes: Don't think I would have done it in such style, but it would definitely have been fun.
Oh, that reminds me. Here is the list of people who volunteered for The Thing, after random.org reordering:
Reenk
ATPG
classical_hero
Major Robert Dump
Tratorix
GH
johnhughthom
Montmorency
08-27-2011, 02:13
Oh, and before I forget to ask again: the biggest mystery of the game.
Mr. Stuka, why? Why would you do that? Why would you private-claim to be Reenk? You didn't even speak up in self defence once we wagonned you.
What was the point of that exercise? I just don't get it.
Death is yonder
08-27-2011, 07:02
Well good job Reenk, it was fun to watch, more so after I go into the dead quicktopic. Somewhat bummed because I wanted to see how you would handle the language issue and time-zone consistency, but hey, busy-ness is busy-ness.
DiY, you mentioned the timezone thing, but consider that as Paulie in the very beginning, I was posting at 5 AM (eastern). I'm a medical student. I don't sleep
Hmpph true but you've got to sleep sometime :tongue:
So I was not impressed with the numbers and foreign language things (DiY: who else speaks Chinese here?).
I had accounted for no one else speaking Chinese here. I banked on at least several people referring to a translator just to constantly/periodically see what Luciano was writing (and thus mightaswell translate mine as well), and so I deliberately phrased my chinese sentences to make full sense in Chinese, but not in English.
It wasn't so that others who understood Chinese would spot discrepancies, but rather that it would be difficult to straight away translate to Chinese because then it would make sense according to the translator, which it wasn't supposed to :tongue:
A bit easier to fool, but better than nothing (and would be funny to see how you would try to deliberately introduce errors into the translation to try and follow suit)
Anyway, I think Beefy knows some Chinese, and if I'm not wrong (off-hand memory) Taka might know a bit too.
Still, t'was a good game, and thanks to Tincow for hosting :bow:
Love to try some stuff out next time in the upcoming sequels.
Askthepizzaguy
08-27-2011, 07:56
I admit I was curious to see how I'd do as the Thing, but mainly, I signed up to ensure that Tincow would get a good game even if everyone else was too timid to take on the challenge.
This could have been before Reenk and GH signed up. Don't recall.
I felt confident I could imitate people well enough to get at least halfway through the game, which is all you really need for fun.
I admit I was curious to see how I'd do as the Thing, but mainly, I signed up to ensure that Tincow would get a good game even if everyone else was too timid to take on the challenge.
This could have been before Reenk and GH signed up. Don't recall.
Yeah, I think you were the first to volunteer.
slashandburn
08-28-2011, 05:19
just read this and would like to join the large game. also i understand basic chinese, simplified not traditional
just read this and would like to join the large game. also i understand basic chinese, simplified not traditional
Thanks, though it will be a long wait (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135995-Requests-to-Host-Games&p=2053365136&viewfull=1#post2053365136) for the large version.
slashandburn
08-29-2011, 01:26
that's ok, it will be worth the wait
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