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Meneldil
07-19-2011, 21:41
As an ante-scriptum, I'm not sure this is the good place to post this, so feel free to move this somewhere else if needed.

Wall of text version:
Some of you might remember (though I doubt it), one or two years ago, I opened a couple thread about my relationship with a girl I met in Canada, back when I was studying there, in october 2008.
At the time, I was worried that we were going nowhere because of the distance (I live in southern France) and that she wasn't good enough for me (as in knowledge and education).

Despite my worries, we kept seeing eachother somewhat regularly, at least every four months. . I did everything I could to make her get out of her rather crappy family and ethnic background, to make her discover France, and to make her happy. And to say the least, it was a blast everytime.

Without bragging about my qualities, the girl was desperately in love with me. To the point that she counted down days until we'd see again, or even collected my hair everytime I'd leave Canada. She only wanted one thing, to leave her country and to come live here, with me. To what I never answere positively, because my job means I never stay in the same place for more than a few months, but also because I was afraid. Afraid to be engaged, afraid that someone would rely on me 24/7, and afraid that someone loved me so much.

Knowing her love for me was almost limitless, I came to abuse this fact. I'd sometimes be rude, or pretend that I didn't care about what she thought, or ignore her because I was somewhat annoyed for a minor offense. Despite that, she kept loving me, she kept being there for me at all time. Mind you, I wasn't a complete dirtbag, yelling "beer, quick!" to his submissive girlfriend, but I know I sucked sometimes.

Last december, I visited her for one month. The plan was that I'd find a job in Canada, and live there with her, since I do speak english (while she doesn't speak french). Alas, despite going to a few interview, I was told the only way I'd get a job is to start as a freelance and unpaid journalist. Which was a big no-no. But "I want to be with you. I'm gonna go teach english in Prague, that way I'll move to Europe, I swear. And if it doesn't work, we'll break up", she said.

"Cool", I thought. Except that she was relying on getting a scolarship from her reserve, and found out in march that she wasn't going to have it, and thus, couldn't afford the trip. Fearing that I would dump her, she let a guy flirt with her and kiss her at some party, and told me the day after. That gave me the courage to break up with her. Crying and lamenting, she begged me to keep talking to her, as I was her best friend, her best companion, her best everything. I knew it was a bad idea, but I decided to do it, to not let her alone when she needed someone. Except that I quickly found out that she intended to keep seeing and dating that guy, because she couldn't stand being alone. This time, I was the one devastated, crying and lamenting. After she had told me I was the only person she wanted to be with, I felt betrayed in every possible way. I hated her guts, became paranoid, insulting, and overall, downright crazy, which only made her even more sad and miserable.

I went through a rough month, but took it onto me to ask her to visit me, after all this, so we could try to fix things up and at least stay friends. I was still paranoid, but did my best to refrain it. She accepted, even though she was pennyless (I paid for her trip), and even said she'd try to find a job to stay here with me. She dumped the other guy and arrived in late may. Once again, it was a blast. Even though it quickly appeared she couldn't stay here, she improved her french quite a lot, and really worked on it, and it was overall among the best 7 weeks in my entire life.

When time came to leave, I expected her to stick to what we've decided, breaking up for good, but without hatred or bitterness. Alas, neither her nor I had the balls to do it. She begged me to give her a few more months, so she could save up some money, get a work permit and come back for good. I obviously agreed, and she left, crying, but with a smile on her face.

But as soon as she arrived, I realized we were hopeless. Not because I didn't trust her capacity to do what she had planed, but because I became paranoid and crazy as soon as she left. Any mention of another man, friend, coworker, or even complete stranger, was enough to create a sudden burst of jealousy. Everytime she said she was going to play poker (she met the other dude at poker), I'd become completely cynical and insulting, and would rub what she has done in her face, even though she apologized a hundred times. I knew I was being horrible, and felt like trash for it, but it was there, in my mind, and I couldn't prevent it.
She did bear with it for two weeks, until it was too much. So she asked me to chose between her and my chaotic feelings. A lose-lose choice, cause I knew I couldn't stop what was going on in my head. But I said I'd do my best, for her.

Obviously, what was bound to happen happened. I kept being crazy, and she decided she couldn't take it anymore. I'm even surprised she lasted this whole time. She asked for an apology that I refused to give. I don't know why I didn't apologize, but I know at the time I felt like my wrath was rightful and well deserved. So we broke up. On facebook, to make things even more ridiculous and saddening.

So not only I pushed away someone who worshiped me and would have done anything for me, but I also made sure that her love turned into pure hatred and rage. Because she now hates me. She sent a whole lot of nasty things my way, and made me understand that she doesn't want to see me again. Ever. Which is completely unbelievable in my mind. I planned the past two years around her existence, always tried to get some time to chat or talk to her. Even when I was getting wasted with friends, I'd hit up MSN before falling on the ground, just "to see if Rachel is there". Thinking that I've lost her for good, as a lover and as a friend, simply blows my mind at the moment.

Short version: Love sucks

Given that all my friends liked her a lot, I don't want to talk about it with them. And since I nowadays mostly hang out in 4chan-like forum, I'd rather post my story there, to avoid an array of "lulz stupid, can I haz her numb3r?" kind of answers.

Centurion1
07-19-2011, 21:49
Sucks dude. Though you ended up screwing yourself over. Imagined infidelity will kill a relationship as fast as real infidelity.

I hope you can heal and find love again.

InsaneApache
07-19-2011, 23:09
Jealousy is never good in a relationship. Perhaps you've learned that lesson.

I do remember the thread about her. Was it really all those years ago?

Drunk Clown
07-19-2011, 23:31
I don't know dude, you had all the right not to thrust her. At least I wouldn't either, she f***ed up. You shoulda ended it earlier.

Rhyfelwyr
07-19-2011, 23:40
I know that it really is devastating to mess up with a girl when you know its your own fault for being an idiot.

Although I've never had anywhere near as much invested in such a situation as you had here.

But I always just think that if it wasn't meant to be then it wasn't meant to be, one day you'll be with a better girl and you'll have forgotten all about that.

Until then, just be angry against the whole world, it makes you feel better.

Fragony
07-19-2011, 23:44
Apoligize, why let it go to waste, Surely you can find something you are really supposed to be sorry about

Centurion1
07-19-2011, 23:49
actually i reread it. This woman is a manipulative she devil. You did the the right thing. The only wrong thing you did was not breaking it off sooner. The kiss I personally would have forgiven things happen especially when alcohol is concerned I would have forgiven her because she told me. However, to continue dating this guy? Screw her. Should you have been paranoid and jealous. No of course not but her actions drove you too it and were reprehensible. She couldn't stand being alone so she decided to keep you and date some other guy?

You deserve better my friend.

Drunk Clown
07-19-2011, 23:56
You deserve better my friend.

Same here.

a completely inoffensive name
07-20-2011, 02:47
We all deserve better. Except me, I got mine.

Hooahguy
07-20-2011, 03:02
actually i reread it. This woman is a manipulative she devil. You did the the right thing. The only wrong thing you did was not breaking it off sooner. The kiss I personally would have forgiven things happen especially when alcohol is concerned I would have forgiven her because she told me. However, to continue dating this guy? Screw her. Should you have been paranoid and jealous. No of course not but her actions drove you too it and were reprehensible. She couldn't stand being alone so she decided to keep you and date some other guy?

You deserve better my friend.
Im with Centurion on this one.
You did the right thing, there are better fish in the sea.

Montmorency
07-20-2011, 03:17
So would you agree that better to have never loved than loved and lost it all?

Samurai Waki
07-20-2011, 03:38
Wow, Meneldil you're human. The few of us who are unlucky enough to know that distance makes not for a healthy relationship; this shouldn't have been a surprising outcome from the beginning-- If you only see each other every few months it starts to become a game of emotional Russian roulette, you both took a gamble and you lost (And the house/reality always has the advantage). :shrug: The heart will heal, and new opportunities will arise-- Lick your wounds, but try to be thankful for the time you had together; In the end it doesn't really matter who was at fault, maybe you weren't right for each other-- or maybe it was just circumstance? Whatever it was, it's done now. Life will go on, and you'll be a better man for it.

Cute Wolf
07-20-2011, 03:58
Just grab a stick and start to hit...



















... Your own head for being jealous over something so trivial and let it down on slippery slope.

Centurion1
07-20-2011, 05:12
We all deserve better. Except me, I got mine.

That would be because you haven't met my girlfriend yet.

a completely inoffensive name
07-20-2011, 07:32
That would be because you haven't met my girlfriend yet.

Singular? Pssshh, talk when to me when you are rolling 3 deep in the double x chromosomes at the same time then we can talk about your promotion to the big leagues.

Samurai Waki
07-20-2011, 08:51
Singular? Pssshh, talk when to me when you are rolling 3 deep in the double x chromosomes at the same time then we can talk about your promotion to the big leagues.

I never thought of you as being a polygamist. :uneasy:

Strike For The South
07-20-2011, 09:37
Breaking up sucks

Cheers

Peasant Phill
07-20-2011, 11:35
My sympathy goes out to you Meneldil. I can relate to breaking up after a very long time and knowing that it may be partialy your fault.

Hang in there and keep yourself occupied, good things will come your way.

Kagemusha
07-20-2011, 14:12
My sympathies Meneldil. My summer vacation was also spent arranging my affairs after break up. We were together about 3 years with my ex woman. Living together most of that time in same apartment.
In the end we had to separate. Love can be just as destructive power as it can nurture your soul. Our day to day life detoriated into fighting about any smallest issues.Going home after work became more of a burden rather then a relief and it was the same for both of us. Still we had dreams. Our own house, children, a family.
When we garnered enough will to finally end the cycle,it still stung hard. The emotion of caring of someone else strongly was still there. The disappointment because of failure to live a happy life with a loved one was there, still the only way was out.
Now all left to do is to try and heal slowly and maybe one day be ready for another relationship, while right now that is to be honest last thing in my mind. Love hurts, life hurts, but without the hurt it would mean nothing.

naut
07-20-2011, 15:23
I don't know dude, you had all the right not to thrust her.
Yeh man, you shouldn't have thrusted her at all. :laugh4:

Skullheadhq
07-20-2011, 15:49
So would you agree that better to have never loved than loved and lost it all?

Would it be better to remain citizen or become king and be deposed to citizen again? I think the pain of losing is harder than the pain of never having it in the first place.

Strike For The South
07-20-2011, 16:31
Yeh man, you shouldn't have thrusted her at all. :laugh4:

Ba Dum Tish

Now that I've sobred up, I have thoughts.

Normally I try not psycho-analyze on this forum as it is the height of pretentiousness and most of you are beyond saving anyway.

BUT:

She cheated on you, and then you paid for her to come to France. Which makes me lol becuase in the first line you bemoaned the fact that you are, in fact smarter than her. She betrayed your trust, you share no property and no kids this should have just been a quick phone call. Why burden yourself with this kind of emotional baggage? You seem young and diesease free so why stick around with someone like this?

Of course she's going to want to keep talking to you. Women like attention, shiny things, and kinky sex (patent pending) but I pose the same question again. Why be so emotinaly involved with somone who is so far away and so willing to betray your trust?

Clearly your trust and respect for her have flown the coop. This relationship is broken. You CAN NOT be in a healthy relationship without those things. There is no use trading snark with eachother and then crying about it in some sort of endless, melodramatic cycle.

Breaking up does suck and I don't mean to be a jerk but it is part of life. Cliched I know but it's a fact. Girls are pretty, nice smelling, love kinky sex (patent pending) but they will break your heart 99 times out of 100

This is not to conflate women with being evil of course, nor is it to say men are not capable of inflicting the same kind of pain on a chick.

Are you comfortable with Who you are, Where you are, and What you are?

And this last point is for my own bug a boo, once you get back into the game please don't pick up any PUA stuff becuase then when we meet IRL I'll have to break your nose

Montmorency
07-20-2011, 17:46
Would it be better to remain citizen or become king and be deposed to citizen again? I think the pain of losing is harder than the pain of never having it in the first place.

:bow: My words exactly.

Kagemusha
07-20-2011, 17:51
:bow: My words exactly.

The pain might be harder, but if you let fear of pain or any other fear in matter of fact control your life. You are not living, just existing.

Montmorency
07-20-2011, 22:06
The pain might be harder, but if you let fear of pain or any other fear in matter of fact control your life. You are not living, just existing.

That was about ignorance, not avoidance. To word it in a second way: wouldn't Edmond Dantes have been better off as a lowly first mate for the rest of his life, instead of scoring a hot Spanish chick and a sweet promotion and losing those by default through being framed and imprisoned for 14 years?

TheLastDays
07-20-2011, 22:35
Nope he wouldn't. Now he has a story to tell :P What's your story?

Louis VI the Fat
07-20-2011, 23:02
Oh my...


Sorry about all that, Meneldil. I don't really know what to say.

(Other than 'bet NOW you wish hadn't *frontroom, mind the language* in front of that webcam')

Hosakawa Tito
07-20-2011, 23:05
It wasn't meant to be, but there is at least one thing worse than being lonely/betrayed/heartbroken, and that's being in a bad relationship. The one person who should love you more than any other is you. Ya got knocked down. Get back up, dust yourself off and keep trying.

naut
07-21-2011, 10:08
The pain might be harder, but if you let fear of pain or any other fear in matter of fact control your life. You are not living, just existing.
Exactly. You should be out there doing stuff, finding the stuff you enjoy and brings you joy in this moment. Because death is coming.

Centurion1
07-21-2011, 10:21
Exactly. You should be out there doing stuff, finding the stuff you enjoy and brings you joy in this moment. Because death is coming.

morbid statement of the year award goes to Psychonaut.

Kagemusha
07-21-2011, 10:49
Exactly. You should be out there doing stuff, finding the stuff you enjoy and brings you joy in this moment. Because death is coming.

:bow:

a completely inoffensive name
07-21-2011, 11:04
I never thought of you as being a polygamist. :uneasy:

(I'm just joking, I actually am in a very stable but kinky monogamous relationship.)