Kingdoms Britannia Hotseat: These Sceptred Isles (completed, Nightbringer+ Myth won)

[phonicsmonkey]

https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6771/britannia.gif

Welcome to These Sceptred Isles, a hotseat campaign in Kingdoms:Britannia using the 1.05 patch and for 5 human players as follows:


1. Ireland - Myth
2. Norway - phonicsmonkey
3. England - Nightbringer
4. Wales - Mithridate
5. Scotland - Ignoramus


*The game is over and England and Ireland are joint winners. Congratulations Nightbringer and Myth!*

Players should observe the following rules while playing the game:


If the Baron's Alliance spawns the admin will attempt to find a human player to take over the faction. If one cannot be found it will be switched to AI control.

Battles must be auto-resolved.

No reloading the save to create a different outcome.

Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn, post the save game to this thread and alert the next player in line by private message. If the deadline is missed the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed by an ally. Extensions will be granted on reasonable request.

Do not attack ships in ports.

Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.

Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.

Do not exploit the naval movement bug (to avoid this always select your navy by clicking on the ship on the campaign map and not by selecting the unit cards.)

Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)

No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them, either by occupying the tiles around the army or agent or by deliberately blocking all exit routes from the province in question. An escape route must always be left for a retreating army, except where that army has arrived by boat and has no contiguous friendly territory to escape into. (Surround & Destroy)

Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.

No fighting losing defensive battles on purpose in a besieged city, just to deny the invader the sacking option.

Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.

In order to assist with the observance of these rules, please post the list of defeated armies in the game thread when uploading the save for the next player.

Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.

Assassins are allowed to target anyone but players are limited to one assassination or sabotage attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else, OR the second action if they are also attempting a spying mission in the same turn. If a successful assassination or sabotage is questioned by a player the game admin will load the relevant save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

Spies may infiltrate cities to open the gates as well as perform other spying actions but players are limited to one attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else, OR the second action if they are also attempting an assassination / sabotage in the same turn. If a successful spying attempt is questioned by a player the game admin will load the relevant save and attempt the action. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

If there are any questions about the rules please ask the admin before playing the turn. In addition to the rules players are requested to abide by the spirit of the game and avoid exploiting the game mechanics on the campaign map to gain an unfair advantage. If a particular action is not specifically banned but is suspected to be an exploit please raise the issue in the thread or by PM to the admin before proceeding to play the turn. An extension will always be granted in this circumstance.

The first save, for England, is attached to this thread.

Enjoy the game!

[Nightbringer]

ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9676

[Myth]

Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9680)

[Mithridate]

Awww, only auto resolve? Im a sad panda :( :(

Well, cant all be winners :)

Scots up
Ignoramus box is full, cant send the PM

[Myth]

Write on his wall. It's common with him to have his inbox full :yes:

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9684

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry guys I'm tied up with work this week (it's my busiest week of the year) but I'll try to get to this tonight

[phonicsmonkey]

England

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9688

[Myth]

Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9689)

[Mithridate]

Scotland

well, only three-n-a-half stacks incoming... no biggie
How i hate AR only atm, but im not going to go down easy!

Took an English fort, pointless to post screen ( rules says nothing bout them anyway.)

[Nightbringer]

Scotland

well, only three-n-a-half stacks incoming... no biggie
How i hate AR only atm, but im not going to go down easy!

Took an English fort, pointless to post screen ( rules says nothing bout them anyway.)

ya no screen needed for that :)

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9693

[phonicsmonkey]

England

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9694

[Myth]

Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9695)

[Ignoramus]

Bump

[Mithridate]

Sorry for being so late -.-'

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9704

That's ok, Mithridate.

[phonicsmonkey]

England

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9710

[Myth]

Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9715)

The Norse have been silent on our last offer for a reasonable deal for Castle Town and the Isle of Man. As such, we've began to suspect them of foul intent and the Royal Navy of Ireland has been comissioned to blockade the port if Castle Town.

We urge our Gaelec brothers from Alba to aid us in this venture, to keep the Norse hordes at bay. Should King Haakon decide to parlay in the future, he'd best learn to answer swiftly and to assess the situation carefully.

OOC: Do we have a diplomacy thread for TSI?

[phonicsmonkey]

The Norse have been silent on our last offer for a reasonable deal for Castle Town and the Isle of Man.

No I haven't, I replied to you in-game

[Myth]

I didn't get any in-game messages this turn :inquisitive:

[Ignoramus]

Bump...

[Mithridate]

Scotland

Two bloody battles have been fought at the walls of Caernarvon, and the vile English suffered total defeat both times with massive losses. Now they hide in their ships or cower under siege behind the walls of one of our old forts. The beating heart of Wales safely in our hands but at what cost? Montgomery is about to fall in the hands of the English, the very center of commerce in the beautiful heartland of Wales.

Some comfort is taken from the fact that Cardiff is liberated and England has been invaded. Much will be determined in the coming turns, was it a mistake letting the English in? Or will they face certain doom now that they are trapped behind our lines, with all of Wales United!

[Myth]

Interesting... Do keep us posted on this war.

[Mithridate]

Interesting... Do keep us posted on this war.
Do i hear a hint of irony? I rather lose the war than miss the satisfaction i get from doing that xD

If Ignoramus ask me to stop however, i might be obliged to comply since im giving him away after all.
Since im new however, id appreciate feedback on my moves and possibly suggestions :) I think i did the right thing
but discussions are both interesting and educational.

[Myth]

No, i was genuinely interested. What was that about Ignoramus then?

[Ignoramus]

I just gave him some advice about playing Wales, as he was a bit despondent about his chances of surviving very long with autoresolved battles. Anything to help a new player settle into the Throne Room. :2thumbsup:

[Nightbringer]

Oh god, I jsut realized what happened. I thought Cardif had stone walls...

Why did I not kill that catapult when I saw it in the open!?!?
Ah well, I have already payed heavily for my mistake, but hopefully I can turn things back around.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9725

[Myth]

I just gave him some advice about playing Wales, as he was a bit despondent about his chances of surviving very long with autoresolved battles. Anything to help a new player settle into the Throne Room. :2thumbsup:

To tell the truth I did likewise :yes:

[Nightbringer]

Its good to know my friends/ allies are so helpful...
:)
no, its all good, I don't want to beat up on the new guy either.

[Ignoramus]

I'm going to start a stories thread for TSI - feel free to contribute. Although my stories will be at least 3 or 4 turns behind depending on how sensitive the information is.

[Myth]

I ask any diplomatic messages for this game to be sent via PM here, I don't want another fiasco like last turn where I thought Monkey was gearing up to attack me.

[Mithridate]

No, i was genuinely interested. What was that about Ignoramus then?
Ment Nightbringer

Dont underestimate me merely because im "new" ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

Dont underestimate me merely because im "new" ;)

I never underestimate anybody. Besides, the number of hotseats you are in here and at the TWC I'm sure you're up to speed by now..

[Nightbringer]

Hmm, so I am facing a strong player, who is being given advice by both my allies...

Something doesn't seem right here...
:laugh4:

[Mithridate]

I never underestimate anybody. Besides, the number of hotseats you are in here and at the TWC I'm sure you're up to speed by now..
Hold your horses, now i think im being overestimated :)

Hmm, so I am facing a strong player, who is being given advice by both my allies...

Something doesn't seem right here...
:laugh4:
Things are going to be interesting for sure, with a little luck. Im still pretty flustered about the whole only AR thing though, enjoying myself nonetheless.

[phonicsmonkey]

England is up.

To the King of Scotland: we Norse disapprove of double-dealing and intend to chastise you for it.

[Myth]

http://satwcomic.com/trans-fear :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

Ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9728

[Myth]

Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9731)

[Mithridate]

Scotland up

The siege of Montgomery has been broken! Our people rejoice as a small band of brave warriors emerge from hiding, liberating the town.
To the North a Welsh fort is retaken and the English are annihilated, while their comrades helplessly watch from hiding in their ships. To the south the siege of Pennbroke is broken by a brave general, defying the odds in three successive battles driving back the English once again.

Sadly Cardiff is likely to once again fall under the yoke of English rule... Bad news from the south come in the form of ragged survivors, our brave men in our small invasion force have been annihilated. Perhaps they should have been used to defend? Is this the mistake that will lead to the defeat of our great nation?

The war goes on, English giving their all to crush us while our valiant men defy them with our every move! The outcome is however still bleak if no one take advantage of how vulnerable English lands are, for their numbers seem endless.

Inbox full, left a visitor message.

[Nightbringer]

Wow, I thought for sure I had Montgomery and Pembroke secure, I checked the woods pretty well. Oh well, I have plenty of forces standing by to besiege them anew, and deal with those hidden scum.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9735

[Myth]

I'll make an image for this game tonight or tomorrow. I completely forgot we need one :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

England

Sorry Scotland, despite your claims of integrity I decided the die was cast and took Inverness, Aberdeen and Dumfries. Looking forward to testing your mettle!

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9736

[Myth]

Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9738)

A rushed job and definitely not my best work. I'm at the office, doing this whle alt-tabbing so I don't get spotted, etc. etc. It needs some touching up, but It's better to hear some suggestions than trying to improve it on my own.

https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4782/92279164.gif

[Ignoramus]

Bump.

Looks good Myth.

[phonicsmonkey]

Don't know how I missed that Myth but thanks! Is there a way to blend the people in more?

[Myth]

How's this?

https://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6771/britannia.gif

[phonicsmonkey]

yeah that's it!

And can you make the crown bigger................so it covers the whole of Ireland? :laugh4:

srsly though, can it be a bit bigger? and can you find a handwritten calligraphy script to write the words in? It is a shakespearean quote after all...

[Nightbringer]

Looks great!
The only thing I would say on top of what phonics said is that the grey text in the corners got a more unique font, and it might look better if "hotseat" and "hosted" were capitalized. Just my opinion though.

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh and sceptred is spelled wrong. It's a deliberate misspelling because of the Shakespeare quote.

Also any chance we can add a sceptre?

[Ignoramus]

We need someone to sub for Mithridate - see his profile.

[Nightbringer]

I can do it :P

[phonicsmonkey]

I guess I should do it really

Scotland is up

[Myth]

Dude PMed me that he can play his turn in 12 hours, he managed to get his PC working. Can we wait for him?

[phonicsmonkey]

I got a pm too but in mine he said he hadn't installed his motherboard yet...we can wait a bit though

[Nightbringer]

Well, what did you do on his turn. Did you kill any of my stuff? If not, I say we keep going XD

I'm fine with waiting though

[phonicsmonkey]

Well, what did you do on his turn. Did you kill any of my stuff?

Oh I didn't mention? you died

[Nightbringer]

Oh I didn't mention? you died

Ya, we should definitely wait and let him do his turn. It just seems like the right thing to do :)

[Mithridate]

Thanks guys, able to play now^^

[Myth]

https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6771/britannia.gif

[phonicsmonkey]

Great! thanks Myth!

Mithri, are you out there?

[phonicsmonkey]

Dude PMed me that he can play his turn in 12 hours, he managed to get his PC working. Can we wait for him?

It's been three days. I'm also pretty confident that I did as good a job as possible with his turn under the circumstances.

Let's just play on unless he pops up before Igno gets to it.

[Ignoramus]

Ok, I'll take the save now.

[Mithridate]

Thanks guys, able to play now^^
Im here, may i ask why we´ve stopped? Hope youre not waiting for me:sweatdrop:


It's been three days. I'm also pretty confident that I did as good a job as possible with his turn under the circumstances.

Let's just play on unless he pops up before Igno gets to it.
:speechless:I havent seen the results but im pretty sure of that too tbh

The war with England have far exceeded my expectations

[phonicsmonkey]

Im here, may i ask why we´ve stopped? Hope youre not waiting for me:sweatdrop:

Yep, we were. It's been your turn. But I subbed and Igno is playing from that save instead.

[Myth]

Wales: you have momentum for the early turns, but if you fail to capitalize on it in a major way England will steamroll you with it's superior economy and production.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I have pm'd Igno to find out what's going on

[Ignoramus]

Sorry guys, I did the save on Tuesday but forgot to put the save up:

Here it is:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9757

BTW: I accidentally saved it as Scotland-7, but it is the Norway save.

[phonicsmonkey]

King Alexander was defeated and cannot move next turn.

Admiral Farquar was defeated and cannot move next turn.

Englanders, up!

[Nightbringer]

are players allowed to fight losing defensive battles on purpose in this game? That has not been allowed in many previous games, but it is not specified in the rules of this one.

[Myth]

King Alexander was defeated and cannot move next turn.

Admiral Farquar was defeated and cannot move next turn.

Englanders, up!

:smash:

[phonicsmonkey]

are players allowed to fight losing defensive battles on purpose in this game? That has not been allowed in many previous games, but it is not specified in the rules of this one.

No that is not allowed, well spotted, I have fixed the rules now in the first post and in the WiC game too

[Nightbringer]

Ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9760

[Ignoramus]

*I hate Scotland's unit roster*.

Edit: Sorry for the mini-rant. Having not played Scotland before, I didn't realise how beefed up Norway was at the start - live and learn.

[Myth]

Does Scotland not have good infantry? Anyway, Zim and Cecil had a war since turn 1 and Zim said he'd have gotten flattened before Haakon even had a chance to arrive.

[Ignoramus]

Their stats are weaker than Norway's, partly because they're mainly pikemen.

[Myth]

Wales up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9762)

[phonicsmonkey]

Yeah Norway seems to get a good start, at least against Scotland. Partly offset by the tenuous territorial grip it has.

[Zim]

A major early loss in a battle that could have gone either way was what came close to doing me in. By the time Haakon arrived I'd have a far smaller army than Scotland (counting the reinforcements) and be badly in debt.


Does Scotland not have good infantry? Anyway, Zim and Cecil had a war since turn 1 and Zim said he'd have gotten flattened before Haakon even had a chance to arrive.

[Myth]

Yes, as far as debt is concerned Norway, England and Wales all have it pretty bad. Scotland is forced to go into the negatives soon unless it somehow deals with the Norse diplomatically. Ireland has it pretty good in that regard :laugh4:

[Mithridate]

Scotland up

The Welsh nation stands on its knees, the vile English about to take the jewel of the kingdom as well as the southwestern coast. Seemingly endless hordes relentlessly bearing down on us, having suffered a recent defeat the King and prince can only wait for the grim news at the beating heart of Wales.

How very different the situation would have been with assistance, how vulnerable the English spine have been left for years yet none have taken advantage of our plight. Ireland is united, but will they help their cousins?

In the north great battles are fought, with the Norse showing no mercy. Will they perhaps swing their axes against English, will there still be a Welsh nation by then? Only time will tell.

For now, the people prepare for a lengthy siege.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9769

[Cecil XIX]

A major early loss in a battle that could have gone either way was what came close to doing me in. By the time Haakon arrived I'd have a far smaller army than Scotland (counting the reinforcements) and be badly in debt.

Indeed, it's a frustrating campaign since you're forced to blitz on account of the incoming reinforcements.

[phonicsmonkey]

England is up

It's soooo tempting to attack someone who is just sitting there but I obeyed the rule about leaving Alexander alone..

I see you must have sunk that whole fleet of mine so I returned the favour and sent some of your troops to the bottom of the sea

[Nightbringer]

Ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9775

[Myth]

Wales. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9779)

[Mithridate]

Epic late double post, gota love thai internet :)

Got error on the first but it still got posted but... without the file

[Myth]

A link would be helpful. :yes:

[Mithridate]

Scotland

The Welsh people despair, all of our castles and cities are under siege and our numbers are too few to break them. What divine intervention can save us now?

Sorry im late with this (almost too late^^) been bisy and can only play once every 24 hrs usually.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!

The Norse army besieging the castle near Aberdeen has been defeated and retreated to a Longboat that was subsequently defeated in battle by my fleet - neither can move next turn.

The Norse army besieging that castle in the West Highlands has also been defeated and cannot move.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9784

[phonicsmonkey]

Hmm, seems I overestimated my Aberdeen force. At least you didn't sink the Longboat! Remember you can't attack it on your next turn either.

[Ignoramus]

I know - if I had discovered your longboat before I attacked, I would have defeated it first.

[phonicsmonkey]

I would have preferred that because then they would have retreated back to my adjacent territory instead

[Ignoramus]

I would have preferred that because then they would have retreated back to my adjacent territory instead

Of course - I had forgotten about that. I was thinking the whole army might have disappeared.

[phonicsmonkey]

England

[Nightbringer]

With the death of the Welsh King, the people of Wales have submitted to English rule. Only a token force of resistance remains inside Caernarvaron, and that shall be dealt with soon enough.

Ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9786


Good game Mithridate, you were a fine opponent!

[Mithridate]

Thank you, if not caught outside the walls of Chester things would have been different :)

Well played you cunning one, and i pity you all as you now will face the full might of the English.
The welsh are no more, but some of the nobles have joined up with English cousins and there is talk of armed revolt against the king. In a way, the fight will go on!

[Myth]

Will play this tonight, though a PM would be nice (I keep them unread as reminders, since I'm in every game we have)

[Nightbringer]

oh sorry, I didn't do it after your pm about wales cause I thought you already knew. I will remember to send them so you have the visual reminder in the future. I do that too so I can understand.

[Myth]

Scotland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9790)

[Ignoramus]

Myth, sorry about this, but could you upload the save again in a ZIP format? The RAR's keep mucking up on me.

[Myth]

Here you go. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9797)

That's strange though, it doesn't happen for anyone else. Are you not able to download it, or not able to extract it? What kind of browser and archive software are you using?

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9804

I'm using Safari(have a Mac), and for some reason it won't download RAR files. Not exactly sure why though. It's only just started going wonky.

[phonicsmonkey]

That's the wrong file Igno, it still shows your pw screen

[Ignoramus]

Sorry. Here is the correct save:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9805

[phonicsmonkey]

England

I'm beginning to think I broke the scripting somehow as I haven't received my reinforcements yet - anyone know when they are meant to arrive?

[Ignoramus]

I think it's next turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think it's next turn.

That's what I keep thinking! Lol

[Nightbringer]

Ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9806

[phonicsmonkey]

bump, Myth?

[Myth]

Scotland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9808)

[Ignoramus]

Myth, really sorry, but it's still refusing to download the RAR. I have no idea why, but are you able to just upload ZIPs in the future?

[Myth]

Here is a ZIP (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9810). Anyone can convert it if I'm not on-line - just download it, extract it and re-archive it in zip format. You should google this problem, I doubt you're the first one to get it. I can't make a promise of remembering to do them in zip for you, though I don't mind reupping it once I've been reminded.

[Ignoramus]

Thanks, Myth. I've googled it, and it seems to be a bit of a recurring theme with Safari. Apparently it only mucks up with certain websites - something to do with the code I think. I might try and download another browser - maybe Firefox might work.

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9811

The Norse fleet off the coast of Aberdeen has been defeated and cannot move this turn.

[Myth]

Ignoramus how are we at war when I've not attacked you yet?

[Ignoramus]

I don't know. Maybe you tried assassinating someone of mine and it failed?

[Myth]

No, I mean how did you declare war? That pesky assassin and his 5% chance have cost me a lot of trade :laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

I didn't. That's weird. I considered declaring war, but I didn't do anything that would have triggered it. That's really weird.

[phonicsmonkey]

England

Still no Haakon - I'm beginning to think he isn't coming, which would be a bummer because I will lose without those reinforcements which I've been planning for since turn one :no:

[Myth]

I don't think you can intentionally break the scripting. Just be patient, he should be here any moment. It's not a definite number, but rather a range of turns that can spawn him.

[phonicsmonkey]

He must have gotten lost somewhere in the North Sea. Or maybe he's fishing.

[Nightbringer]

Ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9815

[Myth]

Scotland. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9817)

[phonicsmonkey]

bumpy bump

[Ignoramus]

Sorry. Norway.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9824

BTW, I'll be away until the 16th. If possible, I'd prefer not to be subbed, but if you'd prefer it then NB can do it.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think we can wait for you, everyone's turns have to be played first

[Nightbringer]

I think we can wait for you, everyone's turns have to be played first

I agree.

[phonicsmonkey]

So sorry, I completely forgot it is my turn. I'll play it tonight when I get home.

[phonicsmonkey]

Haakon is here, just in time to kill Patrick Dunbar and his army. Lucky lucky monkey.

England is up

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9832

[Myth]

Scotland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9835)

[Ignoramus]

Thanks guys.

Norway!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9843

BTW, have you ever had a draw on AR?

[phonicsmonkey]

We like to go a-viking

Engerlund

[Myth]

I've had a draw when sallying from a siege but the enemy hasn't had the time to build siege units yet.

[Nightbringer]

The King of England sees that with the arrival of the Norwegian King Norway intends to conquer these fair islands for itself. This, combined with their continued aggression against England friends in Scotland has forced England into a state of war with Norway. Castletown it now under siege by England's best under the command of the Prince himself.

Ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9849

[phonicsmonkey]

Treachery!

[Ignoramus]

I obviously failed at just the right moment.

[Myth]

Scotts up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9850)

[Ignoramus]

Norway!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9861

[phonicsmonkey]

You know that feeling when everyone is against you? :clown:

England

[Nightbringer]

ireland!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9864

[phonicsmonkey]

bump

[Myth]

Scotland up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9879)

[phonicsmonkey]

EDIT: oops, sorry, I'm 12 hours early

[phonicsmonkey]

ok now it's definitely a BUMP

[Ignoramus]

Sorry guys - did this yesterday and forgot to upload. No excuses for not doing so:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9895

[phonicsmonkey]

England

[Nightbringer]

Before I complete my turn, I must ask.

Why has the Kingdom of Scotland ceased its war with Norway? and why does it see fit to lie to England regarding the ownership of Perth and Edinburgh?

[phonicsmonkey]

Why has the Kingdom of Scotland ceased its war with Norway?

:devil:

[Ignoramus]

Before I complete my turn, I must ask.

Why has the Kingdom of Scotland ceased its war with Norway? and why does it see fit to lie to England regarding the ownership of Perth and Edinburgh?

(I took Perth after messaging you - I forgot to ammend the message. WE offered peace to the Norse because we were on the verge of being conquered.)

[Nightbringer]

Hmm, why are did they agree to peace if they had you beat, and why do you have Edinburgh. It also seems rather insulting to England that as soon as we show up to the fight, you lay down yours arms.

England does not fight other peoples wars for them. We aid them in battle.
And doing this so soon after it became known that I was not attacking Ireland.

No, there is treachery afoot!
Admit your wrong-doing and return to war with the Norsemen and England will be merciful. Otherwise, we shall do what we must to protect the lives of our people!

[phonicsmonkey]

NB, stop fooling - we know about your pre-game deal with Ireland

[Nightbringer]

NB, stop fooling - we know about your pre-game deal with Ireland

Whats this now?
Who told you such rot?

[Myth]

It doesn't matter this game is won for us regardless.

[phonicsmonkey]

It doesn't matter this game is won for us regardless.

I hope the god of hotseats punishes you for your arrogance

[Nightbringer]

Given the lack of assurances from the king of scotland, england has had no choice but to take these events to mean they have joined forces with Norway. England has laid siege to Newcastle-upon tyre.

ireland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9899

[Myth]

The three Norwegian armies, plainly in view of our spies who have long since been occupying Glasgow and had even instigated a revolt versus the Norse oppressors, have been met with steel and subsequent nightly attacks by King Brian. In one moonless night the elite of Haakon's armies has been butchered, the battered remnants retreating back to the impoverished city of Glasgow.

Meanwhile, up in the north, while scouring the waters for any cunning Norse invaders, the capable admiral Cobthach has stormed and sunk the rag-tag fleet of fifty ships Scotland had mustered, with his own 350 cogs. Aboard the paltry Scottish fleet were their King accompanied with a ragged band of desparate men, no doubt aiming to sail for Ireland thinking her shores undefended and ripe for the plucking.

We warn you now that such thoughts are baseless, as our navies are strong and Ireland can spring up armies on a whim, all of which better armed and trained than yours. The Scottish King is now free to invade the Fomorii with his drowned army.

Scotland is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=9900)

[phonicsmonkey]

Ouch.

[Ignoramus]

Really sorry guys that I haven't gotten to this yet, but I think it's pretty clear that we never stood a chance. Should I continue or should we just declare NB and Myth winners?

[phonicsmonkey]

Really sorry guys that I haven't gotten to this yet, but I think it's pretty clear that we never stood a chance. Should I continue or should we just declare NB and Myth winners?

I have never heard such rank defeatism! Why don't we just work out our alliances before the game and then decide the winners without even fighting?

[Ignoramus]

I have never heard such rank defeatism! Why don't we just work out our alliances before the game and then decide the winners without even fighting?

Sorry, but it does get to that point sometimes in the Britannia campaign. You ought to know that I'm normally the last person to lay down my arms. I can certainly get cracking on it.

Edit: I guess I'm just a bit sour at how no matter how well I negotiated in good faith with England that there was a secret deal from the beginning of the game for Ireland and England basically to team up and not even declare it in game. But that's diplomacy, and it happens, so I've got no hard feelings - just feeling a little less enthusiastic about fighting to the bitter end.

[phonicsmonkey]

Edit: I guess I'm just a bit sour at how no matter how well I negotiated in good faith with England that there was a secret deal from the beginning of the game for Ireland and England basically to team up and not even declare it in game. But that's diplomacy, and it happens, so I've got no hard feelings - just feeling a little less enthusiastic about fighting to the bitter end.

Yeah I'm sore about it too! We got hustled only knowing half the game.

Fair play to them, they locked it in good. Infuriating as it is, you have to love the secret deal. God knows i've made enough of them in my hotseat career.

[Nightbringer]

Yeah I'm sore about it too! We got hustled only knowing half the game.

Fair play to them, they locked it in good. Infuriating as it is, you have to love the secret deal. God knows i've made enough of the in my hotseat career.

They are very effective, but they can sometimes fall apart when it really comes down to it. Who knows, Myth might try to stab me in the back before things are done. I am fine with continuing or not though, as I think it is pretty clear that Myth and I's alliance has the upper-hand.

Concerning the Britannia campaign, from my two games I have played this kind of situation seems to be the inevitable result. An alliance of jsut two factinos that is indivisible is extremely powerful with such a small number of players, especially when england is one of them.

[phonicsmonkey]

Concerning the Britannia campaign, from my two games I have played this kind of situation seems to be the inevitable result. An alliance of jsut two factinos that is indivisible is extremely powerful with such a small number of players, especially when england is one of them.

Maybe we should ban allied victories in these smaller games. In the three Britannia campaigns we've had so far it's been England-Ireland, England-Norway and it looks like England-Ireland again.

[Myth]

Well I realized pretty early in my (relatively modest) HS career that alliances make or break your game. I do my diplomacy well before hand, and this is not my first alliance that started before the game began. I don't backstab when I declare an alliance in earnest, especially if I do so OOC, which I think is why NB chose to trust me with this. As I said in the guide. learning who the player is and how he behaves is as important as knowing his faction.

Banning allied victories could work for Britannia, though that would certainly make the last part of the game a very lengthy affair, since the way recruitment and AR works, sufficiently rich nations can stalemate invaders for ages. See the last game for example. In this one I have three maxed out castles in Ireland with smithy upgrades and high tier barracks. Though England's roster is superior, it will take NB quite a bit of time to conquer the island, even with Trebs/Canons. Similarly, last game, it would have taken me ages to beat Zim's Norway (or vice-versa), since moving in the area where the enemy has 3 castles with 4 recruitment slots each severely disfavors you.

[phonicsmonkey]

I can certainly get cracking on it.

are you gonna?

[phonicsmonkey]

BUMP again! Let's finish it off

[Mithridate]

Edit: I guess I'm just a bit sour at how no matter how well I negotiated in good faith with England that there was a secret deal from the beginning of the game for Ireland and England basically to team up and not even declare it in game.
Are you surprised after how they dealt with me? :)

Bah, give me a nudge next time you take a swing at it!

[Nightbringer]

Sorry, but it does get to that point sometimes in the Britannia campaign. You ought to know that I'm normally the last person to lay down my arms. I can certainly get cracking on it.

Edit: I guess I'm just a bit sour at how no matter how well I negotiated in good faith with England that there was a secret deal from the beginning of the game for Ireland and England basically to team up and not even declare it in game. But that's diplomacy, and it happens, so I've got no hard feelings - just feeling a little less enthusiastic about fighting to the bitter end.

Since it appears we aren't continuing this game, I can say I had decided that I wasn't going to attack you until you sided with Norway. My hoep was that you could live on as a small faction while I got a good chunk of Scotland off Norway.

[Myth]

I think Igno is away, he hasn't responded in any game recently. If the enemy team concedes we can claim victory and start the next Britannia game however.

[Nigel]

I only read through the last page of this thread regarding the alliance discussion, but I get the impression that it may be a good idea to try the Britannia campaign with different rules. I can see how disallowing alliaces can make the end game really long winded. Perhaps make it a rule that England has to be AI (all previous alliance victories seemed to have England in them, which suggests that choosing England seems to be a sure win).

Or you can make it a "Celts vs. England" game and let the Baron Alliance be an AI faction (but that could be very hard on the England player).

[Myth]

Hi Nigel, glad you popped by.

AI England means a land grab for Wales primarily, and the Norse/Scotts as well.

Celts vs England means Wales/Ireland/Scotland rip England a new one. No one is surviving that, I don't care if they're the God of hotseats himself.

Then there's the whole "What does Norway do" issue.

How about we use a unique setup for Britannia games. Each nation gets a randomly assigned ally they can win with, secretly. This is done by the Admin. They are still free to ally and do diplomacy with anyone, but in order to win they must do it either solo or with their designated ally. This will stir things up a bit for sure.


Ignoramus you're up.

[phonicsmonkey]

Ok I'm going to call this one over with England and Ireland joint winners.

It's a shame that the ending is so anti-climactic but I enjoyed playing the Norse and invading Scotland. I probably won't play in any more Britannia hotseats unless we find a way to avoid the inevitable England-plus-one-other ending.

Cheers for the game and well played everyone!

[Myth]

Did you see my suggestion? I think it might have been missed since it's at the very bottom of the previous page.


How about we use a unique setup for Britannia games. Each nation gets a randomly assigned ally they can win with, secretly. This is done by the Admin. They are still free to ally and do diplomacy with anyone, but in order to win they must do it either solo or with their designated ally. This will stir things up a bit for sure.

[phonicsmonkey]

Did you see my suggestion? I think it might have been missed since it's at the very bottom of the previous page.

I did see that and thanks for the suggestion. I still think that England will win with whichever ally they are assigned and that the other factions will actually suffer in this scenario for not being able to discover the identity of England's ally.

Let me know if I've misunderstood. Anyway feel free to start a new Britannia game under any ruleset you like - I will probably not join the next one anyway, whatever you end up doing. The setting doesn't interest me that much.

[Myth]

How about making it a team battle from the start then? England+Norway vs. Wales, Ireland and Scotland? Being allied from the very start of the game and knowing you can trust the other celtic nations is very different from just a regular game where everyone is tempted to leave England for later (except for Wales) and ally with them or at least be neutral at the start.

But that won't work with an inexperienced player for England. Just banning allied victories for Britannia makes more sense after all.

[phonicsmonkey]

A team battle would work with the right players, for sure