Kingdoms Teutonic HS: Winter is Coming (completed, winner Myth)

[Nightbringer]

gah, why is it that when I defeat navies they always retreat, but when mine lose they always sink!

[Zim]

Not much left to do at this point.

HRE

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10116

[Cecil XIX]

The Reich is pleased to report the defeat of Admiral Boguslaw, and the destruction of Ryszard Jagiello's army. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10120) Nightbringer

[Myth]

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Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

poland! slysnake
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10125

[slysnake]

To avenge the recent deaths of two great and noble Polish generals, two members of the Holy Roman family were slain this season...

Teutons! Myth http://www.sendspace.com/file/tac3dv

[Myth]

A good but rather uneventful turn. The Danish army in those two ships has been surrounded. If you can't beat that blockade of 5 ships, I will move my navy into one and attack your guys. I'm using the surround only to stop you from fleeing or attacking my coast this turn.

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10130) Zim

[Domen]

The Danish army in those two ships has been surrounded. If you can't beat that blockade of 5 ships


Depends how many crewmen are on each ship. But in sea battles you can sometimes win even with 1:3 disadvantage (balance of power counts - so more crew + better stats).



gah, why is it that when I defeat navies they always retreat, but when mine lose they always sink!


Someone loaded / saved / loaded and attempted until it sunk.

[Cecil XIX]

EDIT: :wall:

[phonicsmonkey]

Every mistake and setback provides a new lesson to learn. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10132) phonicsmonkey

I think you mean Zim. I'm not subbing for him anymore.

I concur with your sentiment though!

[Myth]

Depends how many crewmen are on each ship. But in sea battles you can sometimes win even with 1:3 disadvantage (balance of power counts - so more crew + better stats)

Someone loaded / saved / loaded and attempted until it sunk.

The autocalc mechanic for sea battles is very unreliable. However, I've had this happen several times, both to me and against my own ships, without any loading. Sometimes the game just sinks the ships.

Cecil XIX I'm not sure that this is the correct thread for yours save mate.

[phonicsmonkey]

The autocalc mechanic for sea battles is very unreliable. However, I've had this happen several times, both to me and against my own ships, without any loading. Sometimes the game just sinks the ships.

Cecil XIX I'm not sure that this is the correct thread for yours save mate.

Ah! I get it now, it's the Turkish turn from LS. I thought it was Novgorod...

[Zim]

Playing the save now.

[Zim]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10133

Cecil XIX

[Cecil XIX]

The Danes! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10135) Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Two Teutonic armies were annihilated.
Poland up. slysnake
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10137

[Myth]

Armies? The one besieging Novgorod should have been out of your reach. All my other stacks that can be called "armies" are either in a fort or protected by forts and way out of your reach. The one I really care about is in a fort at the coast, but you should not have stacks within reach of that with catapults.

[Nightbringer]

There was a small one not in a fort on the coast, and my cavalry was in reach of Novgorod :)

[Myth]

Ah, that one. You beat my 5 ships then?

I figured you wouldn't try to beat spearmen with cav. Especially OS. Plus I had no way to plop down a fort without leaving the spearmen without a general. Then Novgorod could have sallied.

[Nightbringer]

Ah, that one. You beat my 5 ships then?

I figured you wouldn't try to beat spearmen with cav. Especially OS. Plus I had no way to plop down a fort without leaving the spearmen without a general. Then Novgorod could have sallied.

Hah, I wouldn't normally boast, but given your numbers advantage... I think I only lost about 10 light horsemen in that battle. :) Also, I didn't have to beat all five ships. Although I could have, but I didn't want to risk leaving my other ships out in the open like that.

[slysnake]

And so Polish forces continue their advance amidst a Danish invasion of Poland...

Teutons! Myth http://www.sendspace.com/file/gibdx1

[Nightbringer]

Danish invasion? How did my troops get in your lands?

[slysnake]

Danish invasion? How did my troops get in your lands?

There is a Danish army disembarked just west of Danzig camping out in a fort, is there not? :bow:

[Nightbringer]

There is a Danish army disembarked just west of Danzig camping out in a fort, is there not? :bow:
They are in HRE land.

[slysnake]

They are in HRE land.

Just north of Koszalin, by the coast.. Are you sure you don't remember putting them there? XD

[Nightbringer]

Just north of Koszalin, by the coast.. Are you sure you don't remember putting them there? XD

Oh, um, ya, them. I might have forgotten them lol. XD

[Myth]

Danish fleet near our coast has been defeated (but not sunk). It can't move next turn. Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=205&id=10143) Zim

[Zim]

I'm still alive? :stunned:

[Myth]

Denmark saved you :laugh4:

[Zim]

A temporary reprieve then. :clown:

[slysnake]

bump Zim :)

[Zim]

Hey now, I still have time. :clown;

Cecil XIX

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10146

[Cecil XIX]

The Danes. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10148) Nightbringer

[slysnake]

Bump! Nightbringer phonicsmonkey Would be great if you could get the turn done tonight since I might be kinda busy the next two nights :)

[Nightbringer]

poland up!
slysnake
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10155

[slysnake]

Teutons!
Myth
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qxmdfs

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10160) Zim

That danish stack on my coast has been killed.

[slysnake]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10160) Zim

That danish stack on my coast has been killed.

Which part of your coast? You have a big coast :P

[Myth]

The northern part, up next to the former Lithuanian castle. Nowhere near your towns.

[slysnake]

Bump, Zim !

[slysnake]

Nightbringer phonicsmonkey Can either if you sub for Zim ?

[Myth]

Phonics is hard pressed and can't sub. Zim is also delayed, so the best thing would be for this to be skipped.

[slysnake]

Phonics is hard pressed and can't sub. Zim is also delayed, so the best thing would be for this to be skipped.

I don't mind waiting a couple of days, since this is a tense and important phase of the game with only a few players remaining anyway ^^. Still, would be good if we knew when the turn could be played?

[Nightbringer]

hre up! Cecil XIX
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10170

[Cecil XIX]

The Danes. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10173) Nightbringer

[slysnake]

bump... Nightbringer, Zim ?

[Nightbringer]

Sorry, it is the last week of the quarter and I have been crazy busy, and will be for the next week still. Because of that, I have been forgetting completely about these games. I should be able to get this turn done tonight though. Thanks for the reminder. :)

If I don't show, Cecil or Zim may sub my turn.

[Nightbringer]

poland up.
slysnake
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10176

[slysnake]

Teutons, Myth !

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2bli6t

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10179) Zim

Ah, gunpowder. 800 gold for cannons and me being sad over my trebuchet investments.

[slysnake]

bump..

[Zim]

Sorry for the wait. Real life has been kicking my butt hard, but I'm now unemployed and have more time if nothing else. I'll get this soon or it can be skipped.

[Myth]

Sorry for the wait. Real life has been kicking my butt hard, but I'm now unemployed and have more time if nothing else. I'll get this soon or it can be skipped.

Ouch! Sorry to hear that Zim. You were employed in the police force or something similar if I remember correctly? Please excuse my ignorance. So what now? Don't despair, my mother was unemployed in England for the better part of two months but she found a job that's 5 minutes away from her house by car and one that is better paid than her last one, and she's over fifty and a foreigner there. You'll be fine!

[Zim]

Yep, laid off as part of the some 80% or so of my already stretched department that lost their job.

Just finished the bulk of my unemployment paperwork, not sure what I'll be up t now except looking for new work.

I saved some money and have at least 6 months of unemployment. Having graduated magna cum laude from a major university it was somewhat funny to go to an unemployment seminar and be told I can go to school to work in landscaping. :clown:.

[Nightbringer]

Really sorry to hear that Zim, but given your capabilities I'm sure you'll make it through. Good luck on the job hunt!

[Zim]

Thanks.

Can't believe I'm still alive in this one.

HRE is up!

Cecil XIX
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10188

[Cecil XIX]

I can't believe I'm so close to death! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10190) I've got a lot to learn. Nightbringer

[Myth]

slysnake has been performing superbly this time around. I think we will have our vengeance for the bad way things turned out for our alliance in the last Teutonics game. Though NB had the short end of the stick last time, he's been doing fine so far with an inferior faction. Though those Dragon Boats are murder.

[slysnake]

slysnake has been performing superbly this time around. I think we will have our vengeance for the bad way things turned out for our alliance in the last Teutonics game. Though NB had the short end of the stick last time, he's been doing fine so far with an inferior faction. Though those Dragon Boats are murder.

You want to know why I think I'v been doing well for once? MISSILE CAVALRY! Works like a charm - always! Especially since Poland is able to recruit high-quality missile cavalry from the start in 2 settlements :)

The HRE has a decent recruitment facility down south which can recruit feudal knights (which I can still not recruit myself) although they are expensive and the rate at which they can be recruited is slower than the rate at which they are depleted in battle, which means the extent to which they are useful is limited. Poland also has a couple of high-income cities from the start and the weak Mongols to the east who have virtually no armoured units to field from the start of the game.

I think the only reason Poland failed last time was because Myth (Teutons) and I (HRE) rushed him from the start before he had a chance to field a good number of decent armies to threaten us with. Next game I think I may try Denmark :)

[Myth]

Last game was forced AR which means the TO alone can severely cripple the Polish with one stack and outright slaughter them with all their starting armies combined.

Also, this game your success is also due to Cecil allowing you to lead versus his armies. Jav-Cav and HA in the hands of the AI will get mauled in lead battles. Unless it's a SS Mongols fullstack with a 10/10 command/dread general.

[Cecil XIX]

Also, this game your success is also due to Cecil allowing you to lead versus his armies.

So far it's been army, singular, but you're right regardless. It's one thing to hear about how important it is to always end the turn in a fort, another to experience it first hand. Fortunately it's not a hard lesson to learn.

[Myth]

Such is the way of lead battles... Though also I must admit the HRE is one of the weaker factions in this mod.

[Nightbringer]

Ya, Poland on AR was pretty brutal last time I must say. I remember having to bring about 3 full stacks against one of yours just to have even odds. At least I did kill one Teutonic stack, I take that as an accomplishment.

[Zim]

Bump


I can't believe I'm so close to death! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10190) I've got a lot to learn. Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Well, I do believe this is nearing an ending if you two are going for an allied victory. With my allies falling fast there is likely little I will be able to do, especially given the lack of success my invasion force has had.

Well fought to all though, and I will gladly fight to the death.

Who knows, perhaps Poland or the Teutonic order shall see an opportunity for even greater dominance through alliance with Denmark?

in any case
Poland up! slysnake
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10196

[Myth]

You know my feelings towards an enemy who attacks me first. It's either him or me in that particular game :yes:

[slysnake]

Teutons up, Myth!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pdlmbd

And good game Cecil XIX :bow:, it's a shame you never got to use that massive (now rebel) army you had amassed down south against me!

[Cecil XIX]

Thanks Slysnake. Wish I could have done more, but at least I learned something. Good luck, Nightbringer!

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10201) Zim

The town of Pskov falls to the Teutonic onslaught. Novgorod is soon to be destroyed. Unfortunately the Teutonic knights are not the keenest of sailors. The Order's armada while numerous, failed to overcome the seasoned Danish pirates and thus the shores of Europe are still threatened by them. However, once on land, the Danes best be prepared for swift justice by steel and fire!

[Zim]

Sorry, I was thinking I had one more day.

Nightbringer

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10204

Made a dumb move (there's a surprise :clown:). I could have taken that trebuchet west of Pskov if I hadn't already moved a certain unit of mine. Not that it would have done much good long term. :clown:

[slysnake]

bump Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

sorry, totally slipped by me. thanks for the reminder, I'll get to it tonight for sure!

[Nightbringer]

I think that this is likely to be somewhat of a foregone conclusion at this point, but I'm fine with continuing if others still want to.

in any case, slysnake,
poland up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10208

[Myth]

If you, Zim and Cecil forfeit I would be happy to claim allied victory with slysnake.

[Zim]

I'm up for whatever NB and Cecil go for.

[Nightbringer]

Cecil is dead I thought. If that is the case, I would say we can probably call it here, and have more fun with a new game.

[slysnake]

I take it there isn't much point me playing my turn this morning then? ^^

[Myth]

Well then, congratulations to slysnake for a well played game, and to the rest of you, especially Nighbringer. I learned yet another new thing - ships matter in this mod, and Denmark's (and I suppose, Norway's as well) are vastly superior to those of the inland nations.

phonicsmonkey care to write this game off as completed?

[Nightbringer]

Well then, congratulations to slysnake for a well played game, and to the rest of you, especially Nighbringer. I learned yet another new thing - ships matter in this mod, and Denmark's (and I suppose, Norway's as well) are vastly superior to those of the inland nations.

phonicsmonkey care to write this game off as completed?


Ships are indeed important, but I think I simply took far too long to get over there. I concentrated no taking all of scandinavia before building up and attacking you, but I think things would have gone far better if I had attacked more quickly. By the time I got there, Novgorod was basically gone and with Poland on your side my chances of accomplishing much were pretty much gone. trebs would have helped a lot, but I just got access tot hem in the last couple turns, so they were too late to make it possible to gain any headway.

The odd thing is, I was sure that once I owned all of scandinavia I was going to get bonus units from an event, but didn't. I don't know this mod very well, so is that only for Norway, or does that not exist at all? I'm not really sure. I might have been less zealous about killing off Norway if I had known that wasn't going to happen.

I also woyuld have been better off by trying to form an alliance block earlier. I had thought I was gonig with the TO actually, but as they became too powerful I tried to collect everyone else, but it was jsut too late to break apart the TO and poland.

In any case, well played to all!

[Myth]

Aye, me and slysnake had an alliance formed before turn 1 was played. Poland holds the key to keeping the TO in check, since they are in immediate proximity to the TO's two most important recruitment centres.

BTW we are playing a modified Teutonics game which makes Norway playable, improves their roster and also removes the Kalamar union event for Denmark. This was since the last Teutonics game, Phonics provided the modded files.

[Nightbringer]

Aye, me and slysnake had an alliance formed before turn 1 was played. Poland holds the key to keeping the TO in check, since they are in immediate proximity to the TO's two most important recruitment centres.

BTW we are playing a modified Teutonics game which makes Norway playable, improves their roster and also removes the Kalamar union event for Denmark. This was since the last Teutonics game, Phonics provided the modded files.

Ah that explains it, should have remembered that. Ah well.