SS 6.4 - "Europa I" - Late Era

[Myth]

Bari has been gracefully conceded to Italy, no need for you to intervene. If you were so concerned, you would return Pisa to them.

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

The King make's one final siege on Dublin while his son holds the castle of Inverness bravely, the Fall of Western Europe is close at hand

[Mithridate]

England will last another turn, scots will be killed off finally...

Myth why no mention, no screens? (no i did not know, not part of what i was talking bout^^)
Youve dealt me a blow yet no information have been given... Know that i will sink that entire fleet and army when i play

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pjmN3RF3c&list=PLapJ6EDnMCbNWzpBuHzhXTidGvQYlKfXg
Englands last bastion still under siege, English lonely king dead, Scotland destroyed and a Crusader fleet along with its army... sunk

You hurt me crusader...
I shall have vengeance!

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10355)

[Nightbringer]

bump Myth :)

[Mithridate]

Myth is gone until 2 January

Guys, I wish you all happy holidays and want to let you know that I am away from tomorrow until the 2nd of January, 2013.

[Myth]

Rougeman Italy up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10356) It seems the Italian states have reached an agreement with the Moors for the return of Pisa.

@Mihridate did you destroy that stack which had taken your city? I thought I had left it in a rather large naval force.

[Mithridate]

I did as you can see on my screen :sweatdrop:

[Myth]

Mithridate wait so the ships were basically evenly matched. Did my army land? Or had I left it on the shores? I can't remember it's been a month now. It was a pretty high quality stack.

Also, I see a screen from a battle but PVP fights in this game must be autoresolved and not lead.

[Rougeman]

ill do this within 24 hours, sorry for the delay

[Mithridate]

Myth the battle was vs rebels, it was just so deliciously awesome i had to screen it.

My general and half a jav cav unit vs 3 rebel generals, ended with 3 generals alive, none of their bodyguards and my guy killed em both, you can see them at the hooves of his horse^^
He got a LOT of good traits from that

The naval battle was strongly in my favor thus i did not provide odds screen, the entire army was on board and sunk as mentioned.
I also stated that this is but the beginning... Please dont capture regions/win battles without as much as a mention in the future

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer

[Myth]

Ah yes, sorry I get it now. I apologize for taking that town without notifying you, I remember it was late and I just wanted to post the save up I forgot to write up and post screenshots.

[Nightbringer]

Alright, I am starting the updating from the previous turns, so I may take a bit of time to get the save in.

[Nightbringer]

Hey all, there is an awesome favor you could do for me in getting all the game stats. I need links to turn 15 for novgorod, the crusaders, and the ayyubids. I also need links to turn 20 for the ayyubids and novgorod. I know they are floating around here, it would just really help save me a bit of time if someone could provide me the links. Sorry on the delay for all this, I have just had a lot of personal cr@& going on, as well as starting a new semester of school. Hopefully, everything will be up and running soon and I should be able to get the turn on to HRE tonight.

[Nightbringer]

okay, HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10361

also, I need some info from you guys.

If you could all let me know the number of battles you have won, and against whom, as well as the number of settlements you have captured, from whom, during the last 5 turns that would be great. (only applies to human battles/captures, ai ones don't matter). Also, just to keep things in check I would say that a battle is only large enough to count for points if each side had at least 8 unit cards. Feel free to debate me on this, but I think we can probably agree that the little 1v2 unit skirmishes in forts don't really count for points.

[Mithridate]

Oh shit, gonna be annoying to calculate :laugh4: Nightbringer

Edit for these last 5 turns: very glad saves are still around to be downloaded... was not so bad:

Sunk a crusader army of 9 ships, and its fullstack army (count twice? Please^^)

All v England
Took Eddinburgh and Nottingham, Edding had a fullstack and Notting a halfstack
Killed a halfstack at londons walls
Killed a lone english king
Captured Galoway (empty)

Edit 2: Ehm, you sure its just the last 5 turns? Really does not add up with what it should be ( ive captured all of England, i should have quite a bit of infamy from pre these 5 turns)
Nor has London been added to my prestiege i should think, nor the battles and captures in france 16-20... There was a few battles there with over 8 units.

Captured London, Winchester, Exter, Caen, Rennes, Angers, (halfstack i think) Dublin, York and Caernarvon and Eddingburgh (ive conquered it twice). Fought at least 3 more battles (2 anyway, several small ones adding to a third? :P) during those turns.

How do you want to solve this? My infamy should be nasty, prestige pretty high and ive got 42 regions now

edit 3: thats 3 regions taken, 5 victories including the crusader army the last 5

During 15-20 i took 10 regions, won 3-4 battles... This should be added. Hope i saved you some work

[Nightbringer]

sorry, i do need all from the last 15 turns, i was just thinking about the last 5 first.

[Mithridate]

Well, that will help^^ Its the entire war vs England. The rest will be rather quick for you to check urself im sure.
Throw me a PM if you need any further information and cheers for doing this.

[Mithridate]

Subbed per request, busy days

Egypt has assassinated a valuable HRE general unless im mistaken, this is against the rules. Nightbringer
Only assassination of agents is allowed, and in ones own territory. HRE should be reimbursed and Egypt punnished imho

This is hopefully englands last turn btw^^

[Myth]

Just wait until I get bonuses for you being so big and so infamous :laugh4:

[Mithridate]

It will be interesting to see just what those bonuses will be :)
And im pretty sure im merely at 25/30 thus still safe!

I cant believe Egypt has got so many stacks xD

[Myth]

Yeah, NB is really on fire with them. And they run around the map too quickly!

[Nightbringer]

Gah, the general was a mistake, as I completely forgot about that limitation. I was focusing on having to do it first and completely forgot I couldn't target gens. I should be able to redo my turn no problem as there weren't really any major problems, but if you think I deserve some sort of negative consequence you should probably suggest something, as I am not in a good position to determine it for myself :)

[Mithridate]

A replay would be best, was a pretty simple turn tbh.
or you could pay a fine of 5k to the HRE and not attack his fort ( dont think u can take it anyway ) so we keep up momentum^^
(and add a notorious berserker to the new general now positioned in the fort)

[Myth]

Just replay the turn. We've had worse replays.

[Nightbringer]

here is the new save freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10364

If that is okay by everyone, my turn went exactly the same except i killed an agent instead of the general.

[Mithridate]

Gona get to this asap, assuming the agent was in ur own region? :)

use this save England:
The HRE-Fatmid war is a mess and will continue to deteriorate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvZFUg4HPcThen again, chaos is my element :verycool:

[Nightbringer]

yep, just a bit south of the gen but inside my border. Any major battles or captures to report? If not, I look forward to the continued mess :)

[Mithridate]

The HRE have been reported running for their lives across the river :P
Declared war on poland, killed a lot of poles... Nothing aside from that

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

The English sally was a success! The Elite troops of the English King has beaten back the untrained militia of Africa.

[Mithridate]

Novgorod, took back the lost region killing the prince of the crusaders...
England have 1/3rd of a stack... It shall not be long now :)
Rougeman, screens would be nice as it was a pretty major battle

[Rougeman]

here you go Mithridate :grin:

note that I just loaded up the game now and took screens, since I did not take any before

also note in the picture that I have nothing up my sleeve for you, no tricks or surprises, though you probably knew that anyway :shrug:

[Nightbringer]

ok, i should have info up for the last 5 turns tomorrow, but I still need save's for old turns so i can check them out. It really would help me out if someone can help gather those.
I need links to turn 15 for novgorod, the crusaders, and the ayyubids. I also need links to turn 20 for the ayyubids and novgorod.

[Nightbringer]

Alright, I should have the updates done for this turn. Feel free to dispute anything needed. I won't update scores until the previous turns are done though.

Ayyubids
prestige (+19)
Human Battle won +.2 + 1 battle lost = 0
mercantilism +12
more than 40 regions +8
lose settlement -1

stability (-.05)
not bankrupt +.1
more than 40 regions -.15

infamy (-1.3)
reduce in 5 turns -1.5
battle won against human +.2

HRE
prestige (+8)
mercantilism +2
more than 20 regions +2
battle won against human +.2 - 1 lsot = 0
human settlement capture +1
important settlement capture +5
break an agreement -2

stability (+.0875)
more than 20 regions -.0125
not bankrupt +.1

infamy (+0)
5 turns -1.5
break an agreement +1.5


Moors
prestige (+18.6)
mercantilism + 7
more than 40 regions +8
human settlement capture +3
human battle +.6

stability (+.05)
not bankrupt +.1
war with human successfull +.1
mroet han 40 regions -.15

infamy (+2.1)
5 turns -1.5
human settlement capture +3
human battle +.6

Novgorod
prestige
maercantilism +2

stability
not bankrupt +.1

infamy
5 turns -1.5

Crusaders
prestige (+3.2)
human settlement capture 1
human battle won .2
mercantilism +2

stability
not bankrupt +.1

infamy (-1.05)
5 turns -2.25
human settlement capture +1 (/2)
human battle won +.2 (/2)

Italy
Prestige
-

Stability
not bankrupt +.1

Infamy
reduce in 5 turn -1.5

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10368) Amazing how a game I was forced to give up on takes so much time. As for Novgorod's turn 15, God doesn't even know what Hurin did on that turn-other than destroy any chance I had in this game.:wall:

[Myth]

LooseCannon1 why were you forced to give up? Did Hurin mess up your turn?

BTW which is better in SS, Novgorod or the Kievan Rus?

[LooseCannon1]

LooseCannon1 why were you forced to give up? Did Hurin mess up your turn?Back on page 10 during turn 15 when he misunderstood how saves and notifications are done here he posted a subbed turn for me that someone carried forward. He cost me the armies I had combined to attack Kiev (when I played) and that allowed the AI to strike and almost destroy both. It took 5 turns to recover from the damage and finish off Kiev. Since then I knew I had no chance in this game but this turn still took over an hour with all the Ais that needed killin':laugh4:


BTW which is better in SS, Novgorod or the Kievan Rus?I think Kiev is slightly better. Novgorod starts with more regions but Kiev is 'tighter" and has regions to conquer closer to it. It can spread to Caffa quickly and has a shot at grabbing Constantinople. Also, Kiev gets an extra militia unit early, the "Chude" which is a good defensive unit with javalins. Much better than the "junior" or "archer" milita units that Novgorod is stuck with. Rosters are the same otherwise.

And did I pm you :dizzy2:-you're up? I did now:laugh4:

[Myth]

Well, I never had a chance as the CS but I'm playing for the hell of it :laugh4: In AR archers are actually better IMO.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I am sorry if i ruined your campaign Loose, but i had a lot going on at the moment. The amount of administrating to be done was almost overwhelming. However, since this game was a prototype, people can now learn from it to create more iterations of the same game type, fixing the problems that occured in this one.

I have one suggestion. It would be easier for the administrator, if people monitored their own statistics and reported it after 5 turns to the administrator. That would greatly reduce the time required for the administration of this game. However this raises 2 problems. Firstly the suggestion that every player would report each statistic completely honestly. Secondly the suggestion that all players understand the rules in only one way and do not make mistakes by not understanding them.

Good day.

[Nightbringer]

I agree about the player reports, and I did something similar in my LotD game which was reasonably successful in that regard.
I think perhaps a good way to go about it would be for the player to submit a report concerning all the various things at the end of 5 turn cycles. Discrepancies would likely be made clear by differences in people's reports, and the GM could then easily check to see if any mistakes were made.

[Mithridate]

Indeed, glad ive already done most of my part xD

[Myth]

Italy up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10371) Rougeman

[Rougeman]

my PC keeps on crashing whenever I try to run any medieval, so I'm going to have to be skipped please, sorry for delay
Nightbringer

[Myth]

Having recently signed for peace, I graciously offer to sub for Italy Rougeman

[Nightbringer]

if that is ok with you Rougeman? Otherwise, I will skip tomorrow.

[Mithridate]

I am not ok with that, i do not want myth to see what Sicily can see and i strongly suspect i sent an in game message of delicate nature

That and im fighting for Sicily against you guys :P

[Myth]

Well then. There goes your sneaky plan :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

Rougeman, any subs requests? if not, I will skip today

[Rougeman]

i was able to fix it, sorry everyone for the wait :sad:

Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Hey, good work rouge! i was about to skip the turn, I'm glad you were able to play it.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I suppose the players here have lost interest in this campaign? If that is the case, i hope the ideas that i have brought forth will see some more use in other campaigns aswell.

[Nightbringer]

oh dear, it was left on my turn to. I actually am still interested in playing this game, and will upload the turn ASAP in case others do too. I think the real issue though is that it just takes quite a lot of work to administer the game. I think it really it a great idea though Hurin, and would love to try something like it again with some tweaking if this one does die off.

I think that the major thing that could be improved is if players simply post along with the turn whether they have taken any actions that modify prestige, infamy, and stability. This would really make it less hard on the gm, and keep things from getting backlogged like they have. If there are any disputes over players accurately reporting things, the gm can easily just go in and check then.

If nothing else, I'm sure this game will have sparked some ideas that are likely to appear again.

[Mithridate]

Interest for this is not dead, the opposite imho

i agree with NB, players should keep track of things themselves and in public ( i made all my calculations public for example )
So admin merely haves to check and everyone can see if something funny is going on to then call in the admin

I really want this to move faster tho, same with CoG2

[Nightbringer]

varad captured
HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10386

[Myth]

Nightbringer it's been half a month, skip them perhaps?

[Nightbringer]

I think that if the HRE starts getting skipped this game will fall apart quite fast. Maybe we should just call it over. Sad, because I think this game had a lot of really great ideas.

[LooseCannon1]

I think that if the HRE starts getting skipped this game will fall apart quite fast. Maybe we should just call it over. Sad, because I think this game had a lot of really great ideas.I would call the ideas used for this game interesting but not great. The main reason is that the game engine cannot do anything with the concepts used here and, as you found, the administrator must be on top of everything to be able to keep score. Because of this, the admin should not also be playing in the game.

I agree it's time to call it over. Of course, that's just my opinion after a bunch of crappy RNG rolls against me in other M2TW hotseats.:wall::wall::wall: Those are enough to make me rage quit.