A History of Violence [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's a work shift I don't ever want to have to go through again.

TBH I didn't expect such a fundamentally different vote setup when I got back. There should still be like three hours left so if anyone is awake and wants to help me analyze these developments, you're more than welcome to.

Dead folks especially, but reactions from the living are of particular interest.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lazy if you're online, holler back at me.

[LazyMcCrow]

Yo!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I agree that Daveshack is probably innocent.

It's especially difficult in a vanilla game to remove someone from suspicion. In order for me to determine if this is genuinely a townie read of Dave or simply snuggling, I would ask you what DaveShack has done, specifically which posts/votes, that have convinced you he's probably innocent, and why.


My inquiry wasn't to remove suspicion, at this point in the game, where lynching mafia is crucial, shouldn't we want to know everyone's reasons for voting?

Probably, for analysis purposes. That said, going after someone for posting no reasoning is a reflexive "look at how townie I am" scum move. And sometimes townies just don't post their reasons.

In general I agree that we want to know the reasons.


Which reminds me, Jarema it would be nice to know why you think Pizza is guilty.


Salmon, the thing which grabs my attention is the idea of you and Jarema being scum together. Especially in this vote setup.
Jarema, same point, do you find each other suspicious at all?



Stuff that leads me to that idea, the very next points SalmonSoil makes are directed at me and Jarema.

I'm voting SalmonSoil, Salmon doesn't react with OMGUS and agrees with my point about Jarema, but does not vote for Jarema.

Is this the behavior of a scum who is under pressure, and feels that joining the pizza wagon with Jarema would be too obvious? Take a look.


I agree with Pizza on this, Jarema has only once actually given a reason for lynching someone. Lazy McCrow is also vague with his voting, although when asked he usually gives some reasons pretty quickly (10 minutes when I asked, 20 minutes one time earlier). This actually makes him more suspicious, as it seems he is closely watching this thread, always alert and ready to defend himself. It is possible though, that those are just the times he happens to be online. Also when he voted for Pizza and was asked to defend his vote he declined to give reasons.

Ostensibly, Salmon finds Jarema suspicious here but doesn't act on it. Is it necessarily scummy of him to do so? That's harder to say. If Salmon genuinely finds Lazy to be more scummy than Jarema, it will all make total sense. Why, though, is Lazy more scummy than Jarema?


So at the moment looks like I'm going to have to vote: Lazy McCrow

Now, Lazy could be like me: I'm omnipresent when I am actually at home and awake. I'm usually watching movies online or browsing other games or designing my next one. I am always on, when I'm home. So, this particular tell isn't too strong. It largely depends on the person in question. I have actually seen Lazy online almost constantly, even at the odd hours I keep, probably since before this game. I'm not sure this is a good basis for a vote.

What has he done which is actually scummy, besides be online?
Which votes have had the worst reasoning?
Which posts feel fake?

Can those questions be answered? Probably not in the time remaining.


But if it looks like I'm going to be lynched by the end of the day I'm going to have to shift my vote to you, Pizza, simply because I am innocent and it is therefore better for me to see someone lynched who might possibly be guilty. Also I'm interested in Jarema's reasons for voting Pizza.

All so neutral, a townie will have to try to self-save, but a scum definitely will. This part feels as though Salmon is explaining in advance why he will shift his vote to me.


In defense of myself, the reason I only asked Lazy McCrow to give reasons for voting for me and didn't give my own suspicions at the time was that I was tired and just wanted to go to sleep. I thought that it would be best to give myself some more material to analyse when I woke up, and possibly also remove some suspicion from me.

I can't parse this. I don't know where Salmon is coming from and it feels odd. Dunno if it is scummy-odd, but it feels out of place somehow.



My current analysis of SalmonSoil is that Salmon has advocated my death before, and here when he has a golden opportunity to get me dead, he's sort of waffling over it. And there are little comments here and there which feel wrong.

If this is all I see and all I go on, my gut would suggest Salmon is guilty. But we're grading on a curve, and I haven't checked out the others in-depth yet.

Lazy, digest this and tell me your reaction.

[Askthepizzaguy]

(I seen you in the preview and I got the email notification. :grin:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's a very interesting choice, and it makes my choice harder. Reading the thread sequentially I was ready to vote Jarema based on ATPG's observation about creeping.

I know, that's the "kill it" reaction.

Because you are articulating the same sort of visceral reaction I'm getting from a sequential read, I would say that you're either a townie or imitating the townie brain wave pattern very well.


What if our mafia pair is Lazy + Pizza?

This is what I do, I try to match up remaining suspects and see if there is a link. Lazy and I have been dancing around killing each other but haven't done it yet, and for you to observe that as a possible tell also smacks of honesty. It's wrong conclusion-wise but it feels more real, like a real analysis, to me.


They're both active, not the stereotype of mafia, unless it's a super-townie gambit. In that case, today's posts make perfect sense.

I would do that as mafia. That's sort of my trademark. And yet I am not mafia with lazy, or at all.


Or it could be Lazy + Jarema, with Lazy manipulating an innocent Pizza into voting SalmonSoil because the votes aren't there to aim for Jarema.

Possible, but I don't like the idea of being manipulated. I prefer to pull the strings.


Obviously Lazy + SalmonSoil doesn't make any sense, why bus your partner with the first vote.

To look really, really like you're not partners, thus defying all analysis, would be my first thought.


Likewise Pizza+Jarema and Pizza+Salmon don't make sense.

I could and would bus a partner here, but Jarema and Salmon both know my suspicion on them is genuine and not something we planned together.

I fell you're drawing the correct conclusions from a kind of analysis I think is flawed, but I won't quarrel with you over theory.


All that taken into account, all the most likely combinations come up with one partner in common. Vote: LazyMcCrow Let's just hope that everyone has behaved "normally" as appropriate for their role.

Here is the issue. It looks like everyone alive is willing to kill Lazy.

Knowing I am innocent, means that either Lazy is being bussed hardcore and for no reason, by his partner, or we've got the wrong man.

And me saying that likely ties me to his death, because it will be assumed I am his partner. I'm not, I calls them like I sees them.

The other conclusion is that Lazy's partner is already dead. This is a hopeful conclusion and one I can buy if the game ends with his death. But I cannot believe in rainbows and sunshine and close my eyes to the more dreadful and likely possibility.

I don't think I support Lazy's lynch here, at all. In spite of our friction this game, something about the situation doesn't feel square.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chewing on everything further, I believe that one of SalmonSoil or Jarema are guilty, or both.

Both is less likely, but a possibility given the way the votes have fallen.

I do not believe it is DaveShack or LazyMcCrow.

That said it is two and a half hours to round end and there's hardly a darned thing that can be done about it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would advocate voting salmon over lazy, but I am no expert. I feel that lazy has simply put himself on the line too much to be mafia. Maybe not, but it jsut seems too risky to me. Salmon on the other hand has played quite safe. + what ATPG stated.

I would tag Jarema as the possible second. He is doing a lot of agreeing then turning around and voting elsewhere.

You think Salmon over Jarema, or Jarema over Salmon?

[LazyMcCrow]

You think Salmon over Jarema, or Jarema over Salmon?

Jarema over Salmon

[LazyMcCrow]

You think Salmon over Jarema, or Jarema over Salmon?

Daveshack is the problem for me now - same as I obviously am for him. so yeah
unvote: SalmonSoil
vote: Jarema

[Askthepizzaguy]

The question I have now is why Jarema over Salmon?

Suppose they aren't mafia together. it may matter which one we lynch. What makes Jarema worse?

[LazyMcCrow]

The question I have now is why Jarema over Salmon?

Suppose they aren't mafia together. it may matter which one we lynch. What makes Jarema worse?

I will re-read and reformulate - I seem to recall that Jarema's posts have been consistently 'exciteable'. I thought you were scum yesterday though so... wadevs. (Just caught up with the Time travel thread and am at work so may be a few more mins)

[LazyMcCrow]

OK - Just skim-read both SalmonSoil and Jarema's posts. SalmonSoil does indeed stick out - but Jaremas' posts whiff to me in general. He must be incredibly excited to have got this far. Posts 54 & 90 stick out particularly awfully.
I'm happy with either, but if you've pulled the wool over my eyes - just to say in advance: it has been a pleasure to drink the Chateux-Neuf-de-pizza.

Anyway - To give myself a slim chance of saving my sorry hide, I shall unvote: Jarema & vote: SalmonSoil again. I'd be happy to flip again if you prefer Jarema. I hope Daveshack has a chance to change his vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think Dave is going to be on, but I will be, until round end.

I am on the phone, I haven't decided which one I prefer.

[Nightbringer]

I'm not on the level of either of you two, but from reading over the last series of posts again I am feeling more and more in agreement that Jarema and Salmon are definitely scum buddies.

When ATPG accused salmon, he quickly deflected attention by agreeing about Jarema, saying he didn't explain his votes, then went off on lazy and suddenly voted for him. Why do this when you agree with a case agaisnt jarema, and have a possibility of getting support in votes against him.
Additionally, he tries to give himself a safety net to jump onto the other possible non jarema target, ATPG.

Jarema then plays into his role perfectly, giving a nonchalant post that appears to be paying little attention to the details of the game. Like Salmon, he also voices support for your argument, trying to fit in, then goes off and votes for lazy. This time claiming to do so simply because it is the vote that has a wagon.

Why do both of these two agree with the arguments against each-other, then jump to vote against lazy. Especially in Jarema's case because the case against lazy was made by someone he agrees is a possible scumbag.

In my mind, the only way their behavior can be explained is if they are scumbuddies.

I say stay on salmon for now just to decrease the odds of voting confusion. I just hope dave comes back!

[SalmonSoil]

It's especially difficult in a vanilla game to remove someone from suspicion. In order for me to determine if this is genuinely a townie read of Dave or simply snuggling, I would ask you what DaveShack has done, specifically which posts/votes, that have convinced you he's probably innocent, and why.

I'm removing him from suspicion for the same reason as Lazy McCrow, because he is too lurky, and I don't think mafia would stay that lurky the whole game (I am far from an expert, though) I should have stated that. Of course that will be embarrassing if we're wrong.


Probably, for analysis purposes. That said, going after someone for posting no reasoning is a reflexive "look at how townie I am" scum move. And sometimes townies just don't post their reasons.

I presume they would this late in the game, and it seems like I've prompted Daveshack to provide some analysis with his vote, which is nice.


Ostensibly, Salmon finds Jarema suspicious here but doesn't act on it. Is it necessarily scummy of him to do so? That's harder to say. If Salmon genuinely finds Lazy to be more scummy than Jarema, it will all make total sense. Why, though, is Lazy more scummy than Jarema?

The truth is I find Jarema as suspicious as Lazy, however at that time he was the only player not voting for me, if it looked like I was going to be lynched later in the day I needed somewhere I could place my vote to try and protect myself. Realizing I may need his vote, I pointed out what I thought needed to be pointed out about him but didn't make any direct accusations.


Now, Lazy could be like me: I'm omnipresent when I am actually at home and awake. I'm usually watching movies online or browsing other games or designing my next one. I am always on, when I'm home. So, this particular tell isn't too strong. It largely depends on the person in question. I have actually seen Lazy online almost constantly, even at the odd hours I keep, probably since before this game. I'm not sure this is a good basis for a vote.

Fair point.


All so neutral, a townie will have to try to self-save, but a scum definitely will. This part feels as though Salmon is explaining in advance why he will shift his vote to me.

Again, I know a lynch on me is a wasted lynch, while a lynch on someone else might catch a scum. I was giving you fair warning.


I can't parse this. I don't know where Salmon is coming from and it feels odd. Dunno if it is scummy-odd, but it feels out of place somehow.

My current analysis of SalmonSoil is that Salmon has advocated my death before, and here when he has a golden opportunity to get me dead, he's sort of waffling over it. And there are little comments here and there which feel wrong.


I'm new to this, my play style will probably feel odd. You seemed suspicious yesterday, less so today.

I am actually willing to change my vote to vote: Jarema, but if it looks like I will be lynched I will have to change back. I will be here until voting closes

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is unvoting a requirement for a new vote to take effect in this game?

[Nightbringer]

Is unvoting a requirement for a new vote to take effect in this game?


•You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice.


That sounds like it to me.

[Visor]

Yes. Unless it is on me or completely invalid like Vote: Sheep

And if you Vote: Sheep I will WoG you so :daisy:ing hard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes. Unless it is on me or completely invalid like Vote: Sheep

And if you Vote: Sheep I will WoG you so :daisy:ing hard.

I call your :daisy: bluff, host man.

Vote: Sheep

[Visor]

ATTENTION: Askthepizzaguy has been WoG'ed for not following host rules. He will be killed at the end of the phase. Please continue your voting and talking. If ATPG continues, please report him to a moderator.

Good day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then, for the record, the voting tally is not what one would think it is. There were several invalid votes.

44 minutes remain, and I know folks are online, so you may want to unvote and place your vote where you actually intend it to be.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATTENTION: Askthepizzaguy has been WoG'ed for not following host rules. He will be killed at the end of the phase. Please continue your voting and talking. If ATPG continues, please report him to a moderator.

Good day.

I waft my private parts in your general direction, Visorkitten.

I really hope you're kidding, though. :sweatdrop:

[Nightbringer]

Then, for the record, the voting tally is not what one would think it is. There were several invalid votes.

44 minutes remain, and I know folks are online, so you may want to unvote and place your vote where you actually intend it to be.

Ow, I was looking forward to seeing the :stare: :wall: 's

[Visor]

Askthepizzaguy, this is your final warning. You have been WoG'ed. Please do not post in the game thread any longer. Thank you.

[LazyMcCrow]

you'll have to unvote before that will work anyway.
EDIT: I see that has already been addressed!
Ah well gg mafia

[Nightbringer]

Just out of curiosity, is there some kind of history to this vote:sheep thing?

[Visor]

Nightbringer, you have been removed from the game for not following host rules. Please do not post in the game thread any longer.

If you do, I will report you to a moderator.

[Visor]

Okay, that was a joke. I'm allowed to have fun, can't I?

[Nightbringer]

waaaaaaaaaaahhhhh:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

But I'm dead! I can't even vote!

You may now report me to the local moderator for banning. Farewell .org...

[Visor]

Haha.

That was a joke. ATPG is not WoG'ed and Nightbringer can still post.

Go on now. :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finger of Suspicion: Visorslash

For some suspicious hosting behavior.

[Askthepizzaguy]

30 minutes left, how about an actual vote tally, or if the peeps still online would kindly unvote and re-vote as they intended to vote, so I can tell just what in the blue :daisy: is going on.

[Nightbringer]

So ATPG doesn't have to ban me? Yay!!!

Of course, since he wasn't allowed here he couldn't have seen the violation!

And seriously, does it have a history, or is it just that random/.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is a game happening here! Lurky-lous, who said they'd be around, teamwork...

Tick tock. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=djgjWMoBnf8#t=39s)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seriously...

The mafia is doing exactly what it wants to do right now, and they have a game plan for winning.

What is town doing right now except for a total cluster:daisy:. Look at the time, I know you're online, give me a :daisy: break!


Edit: Why do I even bother...

[Nightbringer]

I'll take over for dave k visor



unvote; vote:salmonsoil


if only that worked

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am actually willing to change my vote to vote: Jarema, but if it looks like I will be lynched I will have to change back. I will be here until voting closes

No unvote....


Anyway - To give myself a slim chance of saving my sorry hide, I shall unvote: Jarema & vote: SalmonSoil again. I'd be happy to flip again if you prefer Jarema. I hope Daveshack has a chance to change his vote.

Not coordinated.

:wall:

I'm willing to switch. obviously Dave isn't here. Who is?

[Askthepizzaguy]

15 minutes. Can someone alive do or say... anything.

Say anything. (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQyNDMwNjg0MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDgwMDU1MQ@@._V1._SY317_CR2,0,214,317_.jpg)

[Montmorency]

I haven't read the last 40 posts, but I trust that you guys are lynching well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If anyone wants to know why I've been kind of on an anti-town bent since Capo, it's because of stuff like this. It's way more rewarding to be on a team that is a coherent unit and is trying to work hard toward mutual victory.

I know it's like right before the danged phase change and it's probably more than I should expect, but... I hate that the reason the game likely gets blown is because folks don't even vote the way they obviously intended to vote.

I can stand being outplayed, but I want it to be because I guessed wrong, not because we couldn't pull it together.

This is me venting, I'm sorry.

[SalmonSoil]

Unvote Vote: Jarema

[Askthepizzaguy]

Woah... that messes with my expectations a bit.

First, is that vote legal, and second... not scum partners with Jarema, apparently.

[Nightbringer]

well, does that actually change the end result? or is it just well timed to make him look innocent?

[Askthepizzaguy]

well, does that actually change the end result? or is it just well timed to make him look innocent?

Visorslash clearly needs to make a ruling on legality.

[Nightbringer]

Visorslash clearly needs to make a ruling on legality.

I mean even if it is legal

[Visor]

No that vote is invalid as he posted after the round ended (2100).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have something I need to say, but I better hold my tongue until the results are in.

Mark this post, I will be referring to it tomorrow, dead or alive. There's something you all need to see.

If the game is still running.

[Visor]

Salmon and Lazy are tied. Duel incoming.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you see it, don't say it.
Shut. Up. Until. Tomorrow.

[LazyMcCrow]

Woah... that messes with my expectations a bit.

First, is that vote legal, and second... not scum partners with Jarema, apparently.

Not 100% sure about your conclusion there - although I DO take the point. Anyway, I've picked my weapon. Prepare to die scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I got this whole game in the freaking bag scummos. You better kill me and remove my vote, or I will make you pay for it dearly.

[SalmonSoil]

Not 100% sure about your conclusion there - although I DO take the point. Anyway, I've picked my weapon. Prepare to die scum.

I have chosen a superior weapon, and I can't wait to spill your scum blood with it.

[LazyMcCrow]

Apparently you chose the same as me, which is why I've had to pick something else.:whip:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Patience, Viceroy, patience. He will die.

[Riedquat]

:pop2:

[BSmith]

:pop2: indeed.

[LazyMcCrow]

Keep waiting - we both picked whip that time.
EDIT: And signpost the time before that!

[DaveShack]

I would have been awake, but had to get up a bit earlier today than usual so went to sleep earlier.

I overlooked a partnership option. If it ends up being the partnership and mafia wins, then I might have let them off the hook. :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would have been awake, but had to get up a bit earlier today than usual so went to sleep earlier.

I overlooked a partnership option. If it ends up being the partnership and mafia wins, then I might have let them off the hook. :no:

You're here now, your thoughts on the partnership option.

[DaveShack]

Well, Jarema + SalmonSoil would be the one remaining. I'm obviously leaving out me + somebody, but I always do that since I'm innocent. Though looking at other recent endgames, maybe I should do more to prove it's not me.

[DaveShack]

Do you mind my asking why?

Nerves of steel perhaps? Because a really violent reaction would be a scumtell, nonchalant like this seems a little more town.


???


ANyway, I am vote: ATPG

Let's just toss some votes out there and see which one sticks.


I agree that Daveshack is probably innocent. My inquiry wasn't to remove suspicion, at this point in the game, where lynching mafia is crucial, shouldn't we want to know everyone's reasons for voting? Which reminds me, Jarema it would be nice to know why you think Pizza is guilty.

I agree with Pizza on this, Jarema has only once actually given a reason for lynching someone. Lazy McCrow is also vague with his voting, although when asked he usually gives some reasons pretty quickly (10 minutes when I asked, 20 minutes one time earlier). This actually makes him more suspicious, as it seems he is closely watching this thread, always alert and ready to defend himself. It is possible though, that those are just the times he happens to be online. Also when he voted for Pizza and was asked to defend his vote he declined to give reasons.

So at the moment looks like I'm going to have to vote: Lazy McCrow

But if it looks like I'm going to be lynched by the end of the day I'm going to have to shift my vote to you, Pizza, simply because I am innocent and it is therefore better for me to see someone lynched who might possibly be guilty. Also I'm interested in Jarema's reasons for voting Pizza.

In defense of myself, the reason I only asked Lazy McCrow to give reasons for voting for me and didn't give my own suspicions at the time was that I was tired and just wanted to go to sleep. I thought that it would be best to give myself some more material to analyse when I woke up, and possibly also remove some suspicion from me.

Calls out Jarema's voting with no reasons, but then picks someone else. That someone else can't be Pizza because of the uber-townie post, and it can't be me or it would raise everyone's suspicions. Can't be Jarema if they're buddies, therefore Lazy is the only option.


I like your analysis, ATPG.
TBH, I did not have any real reason for voting for you. It was just a feeling that something is wrong with your gameplay.
Anyway, now I am torn between voting for Salmon and voting for Lazy.
Vote: LazyMcCrow, as this wagon has a chance of standing and hitting scum
Agrees with Pizza, but can't vote for buddy Salmon. And there is a valid bandwagon, so goes for it.

At this point I was 99% of the way to switching. I got into a whole lot of WIFOM -- is Pizza right and I've been played, or have I picked up on Lazy with a monumentally good catch? If I had taken another 10 minutes to work though the round's votes and redo my previous analysis, I'd have gone ahead and switched, but I could barely keep my eyes open.

We'll see in a bit which way it goes. First time I've been the swing vote at such an important point and I really don't know if I'm right or wrong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, Jarema + SalmonSoil would be the one remaining. I'm obviously leaving out me + somebody, but I always do that since I'm innocent. Though looking at other recent endgames, maybe I should do more to prove it's not me.

That was my main theory given their interaction. I'm not quite as sure now. More on that after the lynch result.

[Nightbringer]

Hurry up and kill each-other already, I want blood! (and to see what happens) :)

[SalmonSoil]

I may have held up this lynch somewhat by going to sleep. Lazy you better not choose the same weapon as me this time.

[Visor]

FINALLY.

Salmon is killed. You all know my issue with time, the writeups will come when they can. (Also, midsem exam on saturday, so not until after then).

24 hours for night.

[SalmonSoil]

Im.. Impossible....

[Askthepizzaguy]

:wall:

Well it doesn't much matter now.

The tally leading up to that stupid lynch showed that SalmonSoil's last second vote change would have actually killed him if it were a legal vote. Given how the mafia are acutely aware of everyone still alive, who is innocent and not, and what the status of themselves or their partner is, there's no way in hell that Salmon was guilty. The point being I would have pointed to that tomorrow had Salmon survived, and that would have made the next lynch a bit easier.

All could have been avoided by the coordination and cooperation of the team, not waiting until the last minute to place our votes, and so on. No one person is to blame but it was a cluster of.... fun. We have to do better.

I'm not saying I'm awesome and everyone else sucks, I'm saying that we're not acting like a team and so we will lose if we don't remedy that.

[Nightbringer]

I still think jarema is probably the best bet for scum, but that certainly does mic things up a bit.

[LazyMcCrow]

:wall:

Well it doesn't much matter now.
I'm not saying I'm awesome and everyone else sucks, I'm saying that we're not acting like a team and so we will lose if we don't remedy that.

Too late. Mafia win. Pizza is mafia & Daveshack is mafia and Jarema is mafia - I don't care which combination is true cause one of them is. As I said before Pizza - if you are mafia then well played sir. If however, you are town, then everything you wrote above applies double to you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Too late. Mafia win. Pizza is mafia & Daveshack is mafia and Jarema is mafia - I don't care which combination is true cause one of them is.

Insightful, decisive analysis.


If however, you are town, then everything you wrote above applies double to you.

Whatever.

[LazyMcCrow]

Insightful, decisive analysis.



Whatever.

Don't like criticism? I'm sorry I may have exaggerated to make a point. How about I amend my comment to:

If however, you are town then everything you wrote applies at least as much to you. Is that better?

Thing is - you're playing this kind of Mr. Motivator - I hate playing town cause it isn't a team thing, but in my eyes, you've been more misleading (assuming you are town!) than any other townie in the game!
Your sarky comment about my 'Insightful, decisive analysis' was fair enough. Mafia HAVE NOT YET WON, if SalmonSoil WAS mafia :)

If you ARE town, then maybe stop kicking a man when he's down and practice what you is preachin. I just had to kill a man with a Mace for ***** sake! - what did you DO for town daddio?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You seriously believe that the mafia, instead of switching their votes to save themselves, would attempt to commit suicide for no reason at all on a round where, if there are two of them, survival means that they've won the game and no longer have to lie to us.


No offense intended to SalmonSoil, but only a townie would do something so anti-team. It's an honest mistake but the mafia OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT DO THAT.

[LazyMcCrow]

You seriously believe that the mafia, instead of switching their votes to save themselves, would attempt to commit suicide for no reason at all on a round where, if there are two of them, survival means that they've won the game and no longer have to lie to us.


No offense intended to SalmonSoil, but only a townie would do something so anti-team. It's an honest mistake but the mafia OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT DO THAT.

No - you're right, it's unlikely, which is why I gave my first response - my insightful analysis - that mafia have this sewn up now irrespective of who they are. I wasn't expecting a critique on that particularly.
I think you're right about the frustrations of being town - I'm still learning and at the moment a terrible townie. I was just taking issue with your lecture, given that you've just switched into a super-townie after being the guy who was spilling wine all over the rug - Don't see the point of that (unless you're mafia :))
If you are - then this is the third game when I've ignored my instincts and backed down when I shouldn't have in the face of a little indignance

[Askthepizzaguy]

If the game is over there's little point to further wailing and gnashing of teeth about it, but statistically we should have lynched a scumbag by now. As such I'm proceeding as if the game is still playing because if it is, this is the only moment we have left to get it right.

As you're talking to me I'm posting an analysis of the remaining players, and I invite folks to join me in that endeavor, as that's far more productive than even my lecturing, which I have a tendency to do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Starting with Jarema, since that is the direction the murdered dead are pointing in. Plus I tried to lynch him, and perhaps this will illustrate what I'm seeing.



in in

Pregame.


Vote: Arjos
first thought is always the best

First vote was on Arjos, an eventual lynchee.


Could you post a timer? It is easier to understand when day/night ends


Splitpersonality.
Throwing almost random comments and not going after own thoughts

Split, another lynchee.


I was second voting for him...
do not know why host put my name last in the description, I believe Nightbringer was last there


Yeah!
vote: Riedquat

Riedquat, another lynchee.


Whatt????

Click and read the context, this post pings a bit, in the overacting category.


ok
I do not have enough psychic energy left to think now.
As a placeholder vote, that will stay if I have no better idea, vote: Arjos

Jarema joins my accusation on Arjos, another lynchee. So far, he has not voted for anyone who has gotten murdered, which is a bit odd.


???

ANyway, I am vote: ATPG

This is in reaction to murdered person pointing the finger at him. And then he votes for me, no explanation.


I like your analysis, ATPG.
TBH, I did not have any real reason for voting for you. It was just a feeling that something is wrong with your gameplay.
Anyway, now I am torn between voting for Salmon and voting for Lazy.
Vote: LazyMcCrow, as this wagon has a chance of standing and hitting scum

On the spot, backs off of voting for me.
Doesn't say what caused his suspicion on me.
Says he's torn between the current candidates, doesn't give a real reason to vote for either one except that Lazy's lynch is more likely to succeed, therefore he's the one who should be lynched.

Jarema's play has been extremely consistent all game long- brief posts, and whoever he votes for usually ends up dead via the lynch, and hasn't voted for a murdered party yet. This could indicate a link between the murders and the lynches; specifically that the people who get murdered are not folks he's trying to get killed via the lynch. That further suggests a strategy of lynching folks that can be lynched, and murdering folks that he's got no direct connection to.

That would be the Mafia ESP theory.

Explanation of Mafia ESP theory:
In a game with a large number of rounds, sometimes the mafia will make a certain kind of mistake that can be directly observed by statistical analysis.

Players A through M begin the game, player C is mafia.

Player C's strategy is not to vote for folks he intends to murder, so the proven-innocent parties will not find him as suspicious.

Other players who are townie have no access to murder as a method of dispatching their foes, and have no knowledge of who is going to be murdered.

Over time, most players will vote for murdered parties, even make big attempts to lynch said foes. Sometimes they will engage in a bitter rivalry wherein one of them is murdered, pointing suspicion at the other. In the endgame, folks may be forced to work with people they've been strongly accusing all game, just to lynch the actual mafia. Meanwhile, the mafia has removed all elements of teamwork from the townie team by breaking up obvious threats to their existence, removing folks who are working together, and leaving folks who are at each other's throats, while looking innocent themselves.

This causes the game to get progressively harder for the town, because for example, suppose that next round, Lazy and myself are the only remaining townies. But, suspicion and friction causes us not to work as well together, whereas let's say for example DaveShack is the mafia and has no real conflict with myself or Lazy. The game history works against the town in that example, and since in that example Dave controls the murders, he's also caused it all to happen and left people alive who aren't functioning well together as a team and also don't suspect him.

These are just examples, but the end result is twofold:

On the town side: Folks who have been trying to kill each other, even though they're teammates, are left alive. They've also got a history of voting for each other and failing to succeed, and voting for folks who get murdered, because they've got no idea who is guilty or not and who will be alive at the endgame.

On the mafia side: The scumbag emerges mostly unscathed, but with a detectable pattern in their votes. They didn't vote for folks they ended up murdering, causing a direct correlation between their votes and the murders themselves, in that they do not overlap. Furthermore, the mafia ends up alone with townies they've never really voted for, or townies they feel they can eventually lynch anyway.

What is being observed, is a difference between the near-random votes of the town and the calculated strategy of a mafioso. That causes a player in particular to appear to have psychic powers, being able to predict who will die and who will not die.
Why it's relevant here- I see such a pattern emerging from Jarema's votes. I also see that he seems to be particularly unconcerned by who gets lynched in the first place, not moving his vote around much, and that he seems to have no sense of urgency regarding the late rounds of the game, as his contributions to the discussion and depth of his reasoning for voting people have not increased in the slightest.

This is all entirely unfair to Jarema if he's innocent, because this is all circumstantial and coincidental. And if it is, you'd be unable to tell the difference, because it's absolutely identical to the phenomenon I'm referring to.

To give Jarema a fair shake, you'd also have to analyze the other three. But for now, my suspicion on Jarema is still present from the previous round.

[Nightbringer]

Well, Jarema + SalmonSoil would be the one remaining. I'm obviously leaving out me + somebody, but I always do that since I'm innocent. Though looking at other recent endgames, maybe I should do more to prove it's not me.

I do think that dave has been genuinely inactive, rather than lurking scum, but I would like to point out this post. It strikes me as a bit overly defensive and looping, but in a more townie sloppy kind of way. I feel like a mafia would have structured this post more carefully.

Its the kind of thing I would post as an innocent, but I can't really be sure what it means without knowing more about dave's play style.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Moving onto DaveShack.


Innage

Pregame.


Hmm, 2nd day and it's still basically chaos. I'll fall back on the classic Vote: Salmonsoil

Votes after almost everyone else has already voted, putting the tally thusly.

Tally:
Kage (ATPG)
Seon x 2 (Lazy, edse)
Salmon x 2 (Daveshack, Split)
Split x 3 (Kagemusha, Nightbringer, Jarema)
Jarrema (Riedquat)
Atheotes (Arjos)
Nightbringer x 2 (BSmith, Atheotes)
ATPG (Tuuvi)
Daveshack (Salmon)

This puts forward an alternative to Split, who ends up being murdered and is therefore a townie. Unfortunate that it was SalmonSoil, who is about as lock a townie as a lynchee can get due to the previous round.

What is the negative? Nothing striking, but it could indicate a desire to remove someone who voted for you without clearing them as townie, and also, without adding to the Split wagon, which could look scummier.

As such, it's possibly a very smart move by a scum. No firm indication whether it's the innocent or guilty option.


Vote: Seon this case seems better than the others.

I never really liked the Seon case, he felt like such an easy target.

I voted for him, sure. I even OMGUS voted him, but when I voted him it wasn't a wagon, and there was no case, and I sure as hell didn't do it for the reasons given in the case. The case was added later, by others, who hopped onto my vote.

If Arjos was guilty, and Dave is guilty, that could explain this tally:

Tally:
2 Arjos (Seon, Salmonsoil)
3 Seon (ATPG, Arjos, DaveShack
2 Nightbringer (LazyMcCrow, BSmith)

Which is how Seon got lynched, Arjos edged out Seon, and Dave is still alive.

That's possible negative points for Arjos, a lynchee who was never proven innocent, and Dave, who was also not proven innocent yet.

One could suggest me and Arjos, which meant I bussed him pretty hardcore. Which I can accept as an option, even though I know it's not what happened. We're looking for possible mafia pairs in the voting record, and if there is a round where the votes are close and it's possible the mafia voted together, this round is still a very real possibility.


This notion I'd like to explore more, because right after this, I made the lynching case FOR Arjos.

This is how they both reacted:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?140540-A-History-of-Violence-In-Play&p=2053434135&viewfull=1#post2053434135

Arjos' immediate reaction.


In the end, can't really say whether you lurked or not...
Monty lately has a thing about getting lynched on day 1 as mafia and he wants you dead, but gah...

Vote: DaveShack

Of all people, he voted only twice in intervals to avoid the 3 in a row rule and with the following reasons: there's still chaos and this is better than the other case...
Among all, he's the one striking me as the "nothing here, vote elsewhere"...

Possible he senses that he's going down, immediately distances himself from DaveShack.


Vote: Arjos

Self-preservation, and the pizza dude's analysis makes sense.

DaveShack responds to the distancing maneuver in the expected way: join in on destroying Arjos. Obviously they can't be scum buddies now, right?


Wait, am I? <checks PMs> Umm, nope. Not saying a lot -- check. Plain vanilla me, as usual. :bow:

:laugh4: That doesn't sound the least bit off to me.


I would have been awake, but had to get up a bit earlier today than usual so went to sleep earlier.

I overlooked a partnership option. If it ends up being the partnership and mafia wins, then I might have let them off the hook. :no:

Dave's big analytical contribution to the game:

Jarema and SalmonSoil are mafia together. This is what he's referring to.

This is also something several dead folks have suggested, and I suggested already. Feels a bit late to the party.

Now, in my mind, this partnership has been rendered impossible by the events of the previous round. but Dave was on the wagon in agreement with it's likelihood of being true. I pointed out how it's probably completely false.


Well, Jarema + SalmonSoil would be the one remaining. I'm obviously leaving out me + somebody, but I always do that since I'm innocent. Though looking at other recent endgames, maybe I should do more to prove it's not me.

I'd agree with you on that.

You and most people are deliberately avoiding the "who is my mafia partner" discussion. Except I cheekily welcomed it earlier on this game. :grin:

But this comment feels a bit self-conscious.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?140540-A-History-of-Violence-In-Play&p=2053435524&viewfull=1#post2053435524

Here, Dave is still under absolutely no real pressure and is able to freely and more aggressively attack some of the remaining suspects on the final rounds of the game, with impunity.

Which is what he should do if he's scum. Or if he's townie... :no:


We'll see in a bit which way it goes. First time I've been the swing vote at such an important point and I really don't know if I'm right or wrong.

I get a slight ping off this post due to what I've noticed about the way mafia "act" as townies... instead of trying to convey emotion or ignorance, they simply state it for the record like a bad actor.

"I am angry right now. Look at my angry smiley faces I'm posting."

"I have no idea who is guilty."

That sort of thing. There's a hint of that here.


Overall-

DaveShack is a very experienced mafia player who hails from another forum. While you can get scummy leans on posts from virtually any post in a game from any player if you try hard enough, not much Dave has done provokes a very strong "gosh that's scummy" reaction from me.

Which might be the whole point behind his play. If I'm a damned good mafia player I would do a lot of what DaveShack has done to avoid certain tells.

If looked at through goggles which color him completely guilty, ignoring the lack of scum tells, you could see a lot of what his strategy is, you might even assume he was mafia with Arjos. That would explain a lot of his interaction with Arjos, and a lot about where we stand right now. I, for example, haven't found Dave that scummy and I have found lots of others scummy. That would explain my continued existence.

There's a lot that can be found if you force yourself to view him as guilty and look at all evidence as incriminating. But do I really think he's guilty?

If he is, he deserves the win. He's certainly outplayed us. Jarema still pings me a lot harder than Dave does.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Analysis of Lazy will take longer due to the fact that he's posted three times more than the others.

I may have to just cut out some of the posts that I feel are unrelated to the game itself and have no lean either way.

[LazyMcCrow]

Analysis of Lazy will take longer due to the fact that he's posted three times more than the others.

I may have to just cut out some of the posts that I feel are unrelated to the game itself and have no lean either way.

Ok cool - I'll do you then. Woo! Go Team!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here it is, LazyMcCrow.

After this, I'm going to bed because I have to be at work, on my day off, at 11am. After being at work today on my other day off.


Enough of this waiting...let's fight!

Interesting point- Lazy had been the alternative on the first round, where they were tied. He edged out in a duel and hasn't died since.

A bit odd that he was never resolved by lynch or murder after that tie. I completely spaced that.


Vote: Seon

...and Nightbringer: If we have to duel, you'll probably beat me... but I'll make you eat that fake beard first.

Hmm.


White_Eyes:D: 4 (edse, Arjos, atheotes, LazyMcCrow)

Riedquat: 4 (Seon, SalmonSoil, Jarema, White_Eyes:D)

Nightbringer: 1 (Riedquat)

atheotes: 1 (Nightbringer)

vote: White_Eyes:D FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Why vote W_E when you seem to want to watch a duel, and just posted that the tally was tied without said vote?


Phew - Glad the scum are dead!

vote: Nightbringer

Fair enough.


What? The Tuuvi who is already dead? You're not helping. {IGNORE}

It should be evident that nobody takes Monty's wackiness very seriously, so if Lazy is scum, this is pretense disguised as townie reaction.

Great, Pizzaguy. The question is, is it pretense or is it townie reaction? Good job. Have a medal, you analytical whiz kid.



You neither! At least he is giving a reason, wrong and crazy but a reason after all...

What is your reason for going after Nightbringer in two consecutive days? uh?

Good point.


Three reasons:
1) Its personal: Nightbringer forced me into a tie position to fight Monty day 1. You say OMGUS? I say mmmmwhadeva: considering I was one of the subjects of the only, but awesomely disturbing write-up, my vote for NB is a semi-serious kneejerk for the joke he made about me being a murderer after Monty was 'lynched'
2) Despite the attempt yesterday to put pressure on someone who has been 'exciteable' at the start of a game, the attempt was over run by the nonsense wagon on Kagemusha.
3) He has a fake beard.


The write-ups are horrible.

Note to self: Lazy is reading the writeups closely. I admit that besides the paper cut one, I haven't actually gone back to read Visor's updates because they were done too long after the fact.


But why is the lynch bait killed every time?
vote: ATPG

This is perhaps the post which sent me off the deep end regarding Lazy. This, unlike most of the other posts I've analyzed from Lazy (or Dave, or anyone else for that matter) is the one post of the game which reads horrendously scummy all by itself. In the blistering red category.


Do you know what? I could, but it actually doesn't matter. You are mafia and so is Arjos. He is taking one for the team in order to get you through the final day.

This was obviously slapped together with no serious analysis being attempted. Coupled with the previous post, it just chokes of fakeness.


Daveshack. So that...makes... him innocent?

Well, that theory is provably wrong due to the fact that Dave and I are both still alive.

Where is the serious attempt to find my mafia partner if I'm mafia? Who is my scum buddy? I want to know.

I just don't get a whole lot of serious analysis by Lazy, even though he's posting up a storm.


I for one appreciate the analysis Nighty and actually agree with it for the most part.

"Thanks for doing the work for me" post.


Time you posted something super-townie, pizza - like the previous days?

This post is jarring in its strangeness.

Lazy, I haven't been in oodles of games with you, even though we've worked together closely, you're still a strange cat dude.

It feels like you're waiting for me to win the game for you, which is bad townie play, or hoping I'll make a bad case on a townie and win the game for you as mafia, which is good mafia play. I don't like this post.


Don't mind at all. My vote on you is because I'm fairly sure that 'lurky' Daveshack is as innocent as I am, which leaves two out of the remaining three of you need lynching asap. Moreover - Your polite enquiry does nothing at all in my mind to exhonorate you - merely adds more kindling to the fire. Who do YOU think is scum?

Snuggles Daveshack, and bounces suspicion back onto Salmon, who seems pretty damned townie to me now.


SalmonSoil and Jarema are the scum. The only other option is Daveshack & Pizza and I just don't buy that. SalmonSoil was practically holding Jarema's hand in that last post when he pulled his vote from ATPG to me. not to mention the (emboldened) clangers below:

Salmon and Jarema as scum is a theory I think we can reject as totally false, and Dave and Pizza is also false due to the game continuing.

This is a problem because these are the only two theories Lazy has explored, which means he's at best a sloppy townie who isn't leading us to victory, but since he's never struck me as a bad player, that paints the conspicuous absence of the real deal on his list of the "only" options remaining.

If you're a townie you can at least list all the remaining possibilities and be correct that one of them is true. Lazy's uncharacteristically well... lazy analysis seems to be deliberately omitting the truth from the list of possibilities. That's not good.


Lazy has now won two duels, meaning he's survived two attempts by the town to rid him of the game.


Too late. Mafia win. Pizza is mafia & Daveshack is mafia and Jarema is mafia - I don't care which combination is true cause one of them is. As I said before Pizza - if you are mafia then well played sir. If however, you are town, then everything you wrote above applies double to you.

This post is really the cream of the bad crop. This post contains defeatism, which I absolutely despise, followed by a hollow attempt to turn my own words at me. He doesn't even explain how I've been a bad teammate, just says that I am when I accuse others of it.

Maybe it wasn't very diplomatic of me to state my feelings for the record, but Lazy is jumping on it in a way that does not feel natural. That plus the wrong suspicions he's posted plus his two lynch survivals....

I took Dave and Lazy off my top list of suspects, and put Salmon and Jarema there. But as the game develops we learn new things and read things with a better perspective with the most possible knowledge.

Jarema's play strikes me, but Lazy is actually right up there with Jarema, or worse. I can't agree with my earlier assessment of him as probably townie.

I don't know if he's being a bad townie or a good mafioso, but I'm finding it distressing that he's still alive and that he's putting forward what he has been putting forward as his suspicions.

Conclusions:

Lazy or Jarema, the events of tonight might help me assess a lean on which is worse. Maybe.
Dave is less suspicious than the other two, and if Dave is mafia, we are completely boned because it's me and Lazy and Jarema as townies and we all pretty much find dave innocent and each other to be scum. Plus I'm still alive and that means I'm the default lynch for tomorrow.


Lazy if you're townie, you honestly do need to get a grip on yourself. You're acting way worse than you usually do and I can't explain why without going to the possibility of your scummitude.

What is your explanation for all this bad behavior?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok cool - I'll do you then. Woo! Go Team!

You'll do me? Don't tease me like that. Pizza demands satisfaction, and I'm not sure you have what I need.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your analysis of me had better be good, because my main criticism of you is that your analysis so far has been LazyMcSuckage. :wink:

[LazyMcCrow]

What is your explanation for all this bad behavior?

The unfortunate and correct answer in this case is: That I am not a very helpful, incisive or perceptive townie

As you can judge quite easily by my sloppy analysis of your good self.

Posts 1 - 4:
Joking. Singles out Kage as target. 'Pre-emptive' vote on Monty

Jocular mood. praises Kages sexiness. Complains about papercuts

Refers to other sites in which he is also not contributing very well to justify absence and 'super-business'

Post 119: Admits to being mafia

I don't even lurk as townie. And I've tried a couple times. It's far too lame, I can't sustain it.

Jokes about being a meta-gamer

Post 127
Throws an accusation at his scum-buddy SalmonSoil after which they flirt outrageously:

'Member thankful for this post: Askthepizzaguy ' etc.

Claims Sheriff (albeit - of 'Shagtown')

Points out how Monty sounds mental. Becomes more active as the herd thins Then gets super-townie. Suspicions of pizza start getting flung up in the air
Spends the next 10 or so posts liberally sprinkling wine over everyones prom dresses, before bemoaning the fact that eveyone will probably jump on him in the morning - he KNOWS HE WILL BE ALIVE.

Goes into super-townie mode.

The present.

So - just to be clear: Kill me tonight or I will vote for you tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

he KNOWS HE WILL BE ALIVE.

Well, if I was gonna be murdered, it would have happened by now, wouldn't it? Obviously someone likes me for the lynch, which is why I find the folks who have tested the waters regarding my lynch and then pulled back when it didn't seem likely to happen, the most likely candidates for scum at the moment. Because that would indicate that your plan is to get me lynched, but if you can't do it, you can always save me for the next round and try someone else on for size.

Which means it's not real suspicion, is it? But suspicion that is convenient and also dependent on the likelihood of me being lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So - just to be clear: Kill me tonight or I will vote for you tomorrow.

You're the boss.

[LazyMcCrow]

Sure. Let's just see. I was assuming that it was game over - I still think it probably is - but if it isn't and that means there is only one mafia left, then I'm happy to bet that its you.

[Jarema]

Ok
I will try to answer why I play how I play
firtst, I am never a good player. I never do much analysis, I am weak at hunting scum. I know it, I try a bit to get better, but I am not a good mafia player. But this applies to my every game, and in this one, my level of meaningful activity was really low.
This is mostly because I do not have much time due to RL issues. Of course, if I was mafia I would say exactly that if I wanted to explain my behavior. The second thing is, that my activity is always lower in games without aligment reveal on death - for some reason, I feel realy overwhelmed by it (probably because I do not know if any of my earlier guessess were correct, and it feels like if the game were getting more and more complicated from day to day; opposite of how it feels for me in games with reveal on death - I understand that is not true, and that there is more and more information to analyze, but I cannot help starting feeling helpless). I think that only mafia games without reveal on death were I was more active, were the ones where I was a scum - with the single exeption of Road to Hell game, where I tried to guess something about special mechanics of game.

MNy thoughts for now:
As for Pizza: if he is alive so long, then either he is mafia, or he served mafia well with his suspects. A lot of people, when playing mafia, is affraid of him - when I was mafia on civfanatics not long ago, my scum buddies were trtying to persuade me into shooting ATPG almost at every night, and each night we evaluated if it is not too risky to let him stay alive one day longer.

[BSmith]

The response to your comments about not being a good player is the following game:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=451450

Here you were scum, and survived to the end with very little suspicion on you the whole way through. Lots of analysis was done, so it is not like you weren’t looked at closely either. I’d say you are a better player than you give yourself credit for.

Regarding Pizza – when I am mafia I like to keep him around longer – especially in games where the dead can still talk. A dead Pizza (especially if night killed) is usually an innocent Pizza, and that makes people listen to him even more. He almost becomes more dangerous to you dead than alive. Keep him around and you’ll inevitably get the “if Pizza is alive he must be scum” discussion going, and it is not too hard to push attention towards him and away from you and your scum buddies.

EDIT: Of course now I am going to have to kill you early on, Pizza, the next time I am mafia. :bow:

[Visor]

Lazy has been killed. Begin... the final day.

Round may be extended if you want or require.

Alive 3/17:
8. Jarrema
9. DaveShack
12. Askthepizzaguy

Dead 14/17:
5. Monty: Lynched Day 1
15. Lewwyn: Killed Night 1
14. Splitpersonality: Lynched Day 2
10. Tuuvi: Killed Night 2
3. Riedquat: Lynched Day 3
13. White_Eyes:D: Killed Night 3
11. Kagemusha: Lynched Day 4
6. Atheotes: Killed Night 4
17. Seon: Lynched Day 5
7. Nightbringer: Killed Night 5
4. Arjos: Lynched Day 6
16. BSmith: Killed Night 6
1. SalmonSoil: Lynched Day 7
2. LazyMcCrow: Killed Night 7

[BSmith]

Game is still going, so it looks like only one of you is scum.

[DaveShack]

Thanks to Nightbringer for the early round tally summary, which I shamelessly copied.

Day 1:
Monty: 2 (ATPG, Tuuvi)
ATPG: 1 (split)
Nightbringer: 1 (Monty)
White Eyes: 1 (Lazy)
Lewwyn: 1 (Salmonsoil)
Split: 1 (Arjos)
Lazy: 2 (Bsmith, Nightbringer)
Atheotes: 1 (Riedquat)
Salmonsoil: 1 (Lewwyn)
Arjos: 1 (Jarrema)


Day 2:
Tally:
Kage: 1 (ATPG)
Seon: 2 (Lazy, edse)
Salmon: 2 (Daveshack, Split)
Split: 3 (Kagemusha, Jarema, Nightbringer)
Jarrema: 1 (Riedquat)
Atheotes: 1 (Arjos)
Nightbringer: 2 (BSmith, Atheotes)
ATPG: 1 (Tuuvi)
Daveshack: 1 (Salmon)


Day 3:
White_Eyes:D: 4 (edse, Arjos, atheotes, LazyMcCrow)
Riedquat: 4 (Seon, SalmonSoil, Jarema, White_Eyes:D)
Nightbringer: 1 (Riedquat)
atheotes: 1 (Nightbringer)


Day 4:
Nightbringer: 2 (LazyMcCrow, BSmith)
Kagemusha: 3 (Arjos, Seon, atheotos)


Day 5:

Tally:
Arjos: 2 (Seon, Salmonsoil)
Seon: 3 (ATPG, Arjos, DaveShack
Nightbringer: 2 (LazyMcCrow, BSmith)


Currently:
Alive 8/17:
1. SalmonSoil
2. LazyMcCrow
4. Arjos
7. Nightbringer
8. Jarrema
9. DaveShack
12. Askthepizzaguy
16. BSmith

Dead 8/17:
5. Monty: Lynched Day 1
15. Lewwyn: Killed Night 1
14. Splitpersonality: Lynched Day 2
10. Tuuvi: Killed Night 2
3. Riedquat: Lynched Day 3
13. White_Eyes:D: Killed Night 3
11. Kagemusha: Lynched Day 4
6. Atheotes: Killed Night 4
17. Seon: Lynched Day 5

Night 5 -- Nightbringer killed

Day 6:
Arjos lynched
Arjos - Pizza, Jarema, DaveShack
DaveShack - Arjos
ATPG - Salmon, Lazy

Night 6:
BSMith killed

Day 7:
Salmon - ATPG, Lazy
Lazy - Salmon, DaveShack
ATPG - Jarema

Salmon lynched

Night 7: Lazy killed

Final analysis:

Jarema vs Dave+ATPG+Lazy : no win situation
Dave vs ATPG+Lazy+Jarema : can kill either Lazy or ATPG and Jarema will vote for the other
ATPG vs Dave+Lazy+Jarema : kill Lazy, Dave certain to vote for Jarema. Kill Jarema, Dave possible vote for Lazy

Potential buddies: Monty, Split, Riedquat, Kagemusha, Seon, Arjos, Salmon
ATPG: Y, N, N, N, Y, Y, Y
Jarema: N, Y, Y, N, N, Y, N
Dave: N, N, N, N, Y, Y, N

Salmon:
ATPG couldn't be bussing Salmon, because lynching Lazy wins the game if two mafia alive
Jarema could have made a true mistake, and Salmon + Jarema would still be possible.
I almost changed my vote to him, but almost doesn't count. Could be partner.

Arjos:
They both voted for Arjos, and the very first vote in a phase is far too risky. Arjos is not the partner.
Pizza gets a possible scumtell for leading off the wagon since Arjos seems to be innocent
Dave 3rd vote, could be a bus but there was an alternative, not likely

Seon:
ATPG votes first again. It's a OMGUS and could pass for such.
Jarema didn't vote, or even post this round from the looks of it.
Dave voted

Kagemusha:
Neither one voted in the round but not likely to be ATPG's partner. Could be Jarema's.
Dave missed vote, could be partner

Riedquat:
Jarema Voted 3rd, but there was a clear alternative in White_eyes:D Not likely to be partner
ATPG did not vote in the round
Dave missed vote, could be partner

Split:
Jarema voted 2nd, unlikely partner
ATPG voted for Kagemusha, possible very safe bus depending on where in round -- nope, 1st vote again
Dave voted with split against Salmon. Unlikely for partners to vote together this early with such low totals.

Monty:
ATPG voted first again. Not partner
Jarema voted for Arjos. Could be partner.
Dave voted for someone else Could be partner.

Jarema possible partners: Monty, Kagemusha, Seon, Salmon (if a huge mistake was made)
ATPG possible partners: Split, Riedquat, Kagemusha (extremely risky day2, possible bus by not saving)
Dave possible partners: Monty, Riedquat, Kagemusha, Salmon

I still assert I'm townie, of course. If I were mafia, Riedquat would be the most likely partner, as I wouldn't make the mistake of voting with my partner Split on round 2, I could have saved Kagemusha, and Salmon was going down if he won the duel.

For Jarema, Seon sticks out as a likely partner. Salmon is a possibility if the failure to unvote was an honest mistake.

For ATPG, either Split or Riedquat are possibles. ATPG stands out as having been the very first to vote in many rounds. I called him out on the "mafia playing as super-townie" role and he admitted that this is one way he plays.

Still a hard choice. Comments?

[Nightbringer]

Good analysis dave. I have been thinking things over today and am feeling a bit more suspicious of ATPG than I had before. If you look at his round to round accusations, for the last few rounds he has made a strong case against a different person each round, and has been throwing accusations all over the place. I feel like this might have helped lead to a state of affairs where the town is having a hard time working together, as it has.

I can believe that ATPG might pull something like this off as mafia. Going all in and throwing out cases on people as much as possible in order to overwhelm everyone with targets. What do you guys think?

[LazyMcCrow]

Good analysis dave. I have been thinking things over today and am feeling a bit more suspicious of ATPG than I had before. If you look at his round to round accusations, for the last few rounds he has made a strong case against a different person each round, and has been throwing accusations all over the place. I feel like this might have helped lead to a state of affairs where the town is having a hard time working together, as it has.

I can believe that ATPG might pull something like this off as mafia. Going all in and throwing out cases on people as much as possible in order to overwhelm everyone with targets. What do you guys think?

Town thought it was game over yesterday with two mafia left. I was allowed to kill SalmonSoil (the other scum) because I got lucky / it kept the game going. The only person who has been cranking the activity up because it was still all to play for is ATPG - who is your scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can believe that ATPG might pull something like this off as mafia. Going all in and throwing out cases on people as much as possible in order to overwhelm everyone with targets. What do you guys think?

I think your odds of hitting scum will improve if you discard the tempting Pizzaguy as an option.

I didn't wait until this final day round to post an analysis or my suspects, because I have not been trying to win on the final round of the game, I've been trying to lynch the scum before this round, giving reasons why people are or are not townie, and doing my best to organize some sort of final resistance.

It is not at all advantageous to me to start pointing fingers at anyone last night where the scum can nightkill my top suspect and prove me wrong immediately. I have better strategic sense than that if my goal is to stay alive. My goal hasn't been to stay alive, it has been to correctly lynch someone.

Serious analysis of my play will lead you to the correct conclusion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My analysis of the game from last night still stands. I would like to know where Dave and Jarema stand on who their top suspect is, before I place my final verdict.

Jarema, you're still my lead suspect. Why is Dave scum?

Dave, if it is not Jarema it is you. Why is Jarema scum?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Triple post-

Feel free to ask me the same question, however I'll point out that I've already answered it with my analysis of the game. I ask you both to do the same.

[Jarema]

Vote: ATPG

Feel free to convince me that Dave is scum, not you.

Wait...
no...
You won't do that :)
you already gave up on trying to convince me and you are concentrating your mafia efforts on Dave, yes?

[LazyMcCrow]

Vote: ATPG

Feel free to convince me that Dave is scum, not you.

Wait...
no...
You won't do that :)
you already gave up on trying to convince me and you are concentrating your mafia efforts on Dave, yes?

Well said.

[Montmorency]

Final round with ATPG?

TAKE THE SHOT

[Riedquat]

Wow... Yesterday Pizza convinced me Lazy was scum... now I don't know who is who...:inquisitive:

[LazyMcCrow]

Final round with ATPG?

TAKE THE SHOT

:2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Feel free to convince me that Dave is scum, not you.

If he is guilty, it won't really matter at this point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That just leaves Dave. If my original guess was correct, and Jarema is scum, it's up to you now. If you're guilty you win regardless.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still nothing.

All right, will go over this one one more time.


Thanks to Nightbringer for the early round tally summary, which I shamelessly copied.

Day 1:
Monty: 2 (ATPG, Tuuvi)
ATPG: 1 (split)
Nightbringer: 1 (Monty)
White Eyes: 1 (Lazy)
Lewwyn: 1 (Salmonsoil)
Split: 1 (Arjos)
Lazy: 2 (Bsmith, Nightbringer)
Atheotes: 1 (Riedquat)
Salmonsoil: 1 (Lewwyn)
Arjos: 1 (Jarrema)

D1 Jarema votes, Dave does not.

Jarema's vote is a one-off and does not decide between the two candidates.


Day 2:
Tally:
Kage: 1 (ATPG)
Seon: 2 (Lazy, edse)
Salmon: 2 (Daveshack, Split)
Split: 3 (Kagemusha, Jarema, Nightbringer)
Jarrema: 1 (Riedquat)
Atheotes: 1 (Arjos)
Nightbringer: 2 (BSmith, Atheotes)
ATPG: 1 (Tuuvi)
Daveshack: 1 (Salmon)

D2, they both vote.

Jarema lynches Split over Seon or Nightbringer or SalmonSoil, possibly indicating a preference/partnership since this vote is more decisive.
DaveShack votes Salmon.


Day 3:
White_Eyes:D: 4 (edse, Arjos, atheotes, LazyMcCrow)
Riedquat: 4 (Seon, SalmonSoil, Jarema, White_Eyes:D)
Nightbringer: 1 (Riedquat)
atheotes: 1 (Nightbringer)

D3, Dave doesn't vote, Jarema ties Riedquat with W_E.

If Dave were guilty it would be unlikely that Riedquat would be.


Day 4:
Nightbringer: 2 (LazyMcCrow, BSmith)
Kagemusha: 3 (Arjos, Seon, atheotos)

D4, neither Dave, nor Jarema, nor even myself, votes.

Kagemusha is lynched by one vote. NB was murdered, nobody remaining reacts to Kage's death. Kagemusha is likely innocent and the mafia had no reaction to his death.


Day 5:

Tally:
Arjos: 2 (Seon, Salmonsoil)
Seon: 3 (ATPG, Arjos, DaveShack
Nightbringer: 2 (LazyMcCrow, BSmith)

D5, Dave puts the lynch to Seon. Jarema has no opinion.

So far, Jarema's only truly decisive opinion has been the D2 lynch over Seon or Nightbringer or SalmonSoil.

Salmon seems innocent, NB is proven so.

It is possible, therefore, that Dave and myself actually lynched the scum on this day. It's possible Jarema did not want to spare Seon twice, as that creates a voting pattern.


Day 6:
Arjos - Pizza, Jarema, DaveShack
DaveShack - Arjos
ATPG - Salmon, Lazy

D6- also possible that Arjos was guilty, distancing from Dave. However, Dave could have just lynched me instead, rendering this highly unlikely.

I generally rule out Arjos as mafia here. The guilty party did indeed want him dead.


Day 7:
Salmon - ATPG, Lazy
Lazy - Salmon, DaveShack
ATPG - Jarema

Salmon lynched

Neither Lazy nor Salmon was guilty. However, myself and Dave seem to be attempting to lynch one of them.

Jarema on the other hand is indecisive.


My final analysis of the game on DaveShack and Jarema-

1) Jarema's vote only makes a difference in the outcome on the following rounds: Day 2 and Day 6. D2 was Split, D6 was Arjos. Arjos seems unlikely to be mafia. Possible that Split was mafia, but neither myself nor DaveShack made any attempt to tie the vote and make him survive, and I don't believe Jarema was bussing. As such, I believe that Jarema did not lynch any mafia this game.

2) DaveShack decides Seon, Arjos, and Lazy. If DaveShack is guilty, none of those are likely to be mafia. Lazy is not mafia, and Arjos is unlikely to be mafia at all. However, Seon was never ruled out as mafia.

As for myself, I decided on Monty, Seon, Arjos, and Salmon for the lynch. Only Arjos seems clear, so it's very likely I lynched the mafia.

I do not believe it was SalmonSoil, and I do not believe it was Arjos. Monty has been especially terrible this game, but I don't know if that makes him mafia. Plus, if I lynched Monty day 1 and he was guilty, why didn't I get murdered soon after?

That leads me back to Seon.

DaveShack and I lynched Seon, and Seon appears most likely to have been the guilty party we successfully lynched.

Since he's voting incorrectly now, and lynched no scums...

In the final analysis, Jarema is the weakest link. Good-bye.



Vote: Jarema

[Askthepizzaguy]

Working on the assumption Seon is guilty, it's worth a double-check as to his contributions to the game as well.

Easy enough, as he only has five posts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Innage.

Pregame.


Facedesk. This is what school crunch time does to yah.

Vote: Riedquat for defending someone who's trying to avoid a WoG and voting someone for voting in an OMGUS fashion, two sure signs of a thinking, plotting mafiosi.

More evidence that Reidquat was innocent. Check out Seon's reasoning for this vote.

Does this line smack of trying a bit too hard to slam Reidquat?

"defending someone who's trying to avoid a WoG and voting someone for voting in an OMGUS fashion, two sure signs of a thinking, plotting mafiosi"

Thinking, plotting mafiosi.

I didn't go after White_Eyes for his Wog-avoiding, and I OMGUS voted Seon. How does he react later, to the very same behavior he finds so scummy? With the opposite reaction as he does here.


Oh, Kage's acting like that?
Vote: Kagescumusha.

Scumusha.

Incorrect Seon, he's Sexymusha.


Vote: ATPG

Honesty, you want me lynched, don't you? But at the same time, Seon, I believe you would be exactly that ballsy as to leave me alive all game. You are just as bad as me.

If it were just Jarema on that team, I doubt I'd be here, but you... you are exactly the kind of slimeball who would use me as bait.


ATPG knows that whoever votes for ATPG is scummy, so I'll let him be.

Unvote. Vote: Arjos Arjos is a good player. He avoided everyone's attention back in Batman Arkham Asylum. He has to know that voting ATPG is scummy and since ATPG voted for me, he jumped on me instantly. Ergo, he's a mafiosi.

Final contribution to the game, jumping off of me with reasoning that shows he knows I'm innocent.

Seon pushes Arjos, but I think Arjos was innocent. In similar fashion to his previous posts, he globs on the "they're so scummy" paint on his paintbrush and smears Arjos as hard as he can.

I don't believe Seon was innocent, and I believe his being guilty completely explains both the violence in the writeups and my continued survival.

Seon and Jarema are guilty, and the trademark over-the-top violence that you'll find in the writeups points directly at Askthepizzaguy. It's all a game of WIFOM, a game that Seon plays nearly as well as I do. :wink:

That's game, set, match.

:bow:

I do believe Lazy owes me an apology.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, also:

If I'm correct that means I voted for both mafiosi using the tried and true, tested and proven, method of scum finding: OMGUS voting.

Do you guys remember the Buffy game where I annihilated most of the scum, as a vigilante, simply by destroying the folks who voted me?

This is that. OMGUS is not scummy, it is the single most townie move of all time. If that isn't clear by now, it never will be.

[Riedquat]

All nice and good but I do not understand the part about your survival...

[Askthepizzaguy]

All nice and good but I do not understand the part about your survival...

Conventional wisdom in a mafia game is to have Pizza lynched or murdered; the mafia will attempt to do one or the other because I am often successful in getting who I want lynched, lynched. If I'm townie then the odds are, I will accuse a mafia correctly and get them lynched at some point.

However, the conventional wisdom does not always apply:

1) Games with no reveal upon death means that I can't prove that I lynched a scum correctly. Which means I'm less dangerous to the mafia.
2) The longer I am left alive in a vanilla game, the more tempting I become as a lynch. Several mafiosi have successfully gotten me lynched in all-vanilla games, even recently. Games where neither scum ever got lynched. And since I am not proven innocent upon lynch, I generally give up and can't get my suspects dead.

Mafia X, Byzantium's Twilight, just to name two off the top of my head.

I am far less effective in vanilla no-reveal games because there is no protown network, and no way to prove my innocence, and I am always considered likely to be guilty, even though statistically, I am mafia roughly one out of ten games.

I'm also suggesting that the mafia team here thinks unconventionally, since it likely includes Seon as a member. The strategic thinking of that team is likely coming from him, and this game has Seon written all over it.


"Why are all the lynch bait being murdered?"

It's fricking Seon, that's why. Because he does things specifically to :daisy: with everyone.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Contrariwise, look at the recent no-reveal games where I get murdered.

That's when I can generally prove or strongly indicate my innocence, and I fight back with impunity post-death.

The Island: (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137240-The-Island-Concluded) I correctly nail the remaining scum.
Three Wolf Moon (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137569-Three-Wolf-Moon-Concluded): I correctly nail the remaining scum.
The Mafia's comeback (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131620-The-Mafia-s-comeback-Concluded): I correctly nail the remaining scum.

Games where the mafia don't murder me in no-reveal vanilla games, are games where they generally do a whole lot better, often winning without a single loss. They nearly won the Campground game too, we only lynched the scums correctly and consecutively on the final two rounds, and I was the alternative lynch both times.

Mafia look at Pizza in vanilla games and go: A lynch bait is you!

And that's precisely the correct play. I've been the subject of more discussion and been accused more often than any other player in the game. The reason is simple:

I am Askthepizzaguy, and so can you. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129140-The-Trouble-in-Waiting-Concluded&p=2524748&viewfull=1#post2524748)

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/IamAmerica.png

[Riedquat]

:laugh4:

Thank you for such detailed explanation

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've been told frequently and by many players I respect that I often talk too much in mafia games. I try to reserve my boisterous verbosity for times when folks actually ask me a question, but it's hard.

[Nightbringer]

DaveShack,
for what its worth, my final recommendation is to vote jarema. There is part of a case to be made against ATPG, but I personally find the one against jarema much stronger, and ATPG has done a few things that seem distinctly unlikely for a mafia, even an ATPG mafia, to do.

[Riedquat]

I've been told frequently and by many players I respect that I often talk too much in mafia games. I try to reserve my boisterous verbosity for times when folks actually ask me a question, but it's hard.

You talk to much! But that is what makes you who you are ;)


DaveShack,
for what its worth, my final recommendation is to vote jarema. There is part of a case to be made against ATPG, but I personally find the one against jarema much stronger, and ATPG has done a few things that seem distinctly unlikely for a mafia, even an ATPG mafia, to do.

+1

[Arjos]

I've been the subject of more discussion and been accused more often than any other player in the game.

Seriously, you've been mentioned once and because you weren't being yourself XD
After that you started cases etc on your own :P

[Montmorency]

Wrong thread.

Carry on...

[DaveShack]

An interesting quandry. ATPG is acting too townie to be townie, and Jarema is acting too scum to be scum. :dizzy2:

I have resolved not to resort to the executive decision maker (aka dartboard). Just letting my thoughts settle.

If ATPG is mafia, he's exceeded my wildest expectations of being able to pull off the townie gambit.
If Jarema is mafia, he went all-in on a pair of 3's by killing Lazy, hoping I'd think ATPG was too townie so he has to be mafia. But maybe I forced his hand with the post-phase talk that I thought Lazy was a wrong lynch.

That settles it, Vote: Jarema.

If ATPG is mafia this goes down as the best performance I've ever witnessed.

[Jarema]

If ATPG is mafia this goes down as the best performance I've ever witnessed.

I have feeling of deja vu.
This situation happens again, and again, and again.

I want to remind words of Choxorn (abut ATPG's performance in 'Paired Mafia') to you:
If you're mafia, I upgrade the status of your genitalia from "Diamonds" to "The Crystals used in Lightsabers."
Of course, ATPG was mafia.

DO NOT PLAY WITH HIS CRYSTALS


Of course, it can turn out that you are mafia, Dave, and then I will be surprised. Anyway, town lost

[Nightbringer]

I have feeling of deja vu.
This situation happens again, and again, and again.

I want to remind words of Choxorn (abut ATPG's performance in 'Paired Mafia') to you:
Of course, ATPG was mafia.

DO NOT PLAY WITH HIS CRYSTALS


Of course, it can turn out that you are mafia, Dave, and then I will be surprised. Anyway, town lost

Defeatism, you scumbag! :)

[White_eyes:D]

And that's precisely the correct play. I've been the subject of more discussion and been accused more often than any other player in the game. The reason is simple:

I am Askthepizzaguy, and so can you. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?129140-The-Trouble-in-Waiting-Concluded&p=2524748&viewfull=1#post2524748)

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/IamAmerica.png

Makes no sense but still seems epic....you are a pleasure to watch Pizzaguy.:laugh4:

If your mafia Pizzaguy...I don't think you needed this much effort to win. Your kill choices were very well chosen and ATPG-lynch bait is never lynched until it's too late. If your town, you win a cookie and another "White_eyes:D is wrong rant".:grin2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

White_eyes, you know I think you're one of the most entertaining players out there, and... well, let me put it this way.

I would rather play a game with you, every game, and have you believe I am mafia each time, than to not play with you at all. ~:grouphug: When you're not thinking I'm scum, you often see things that no other player sees, because you have a very unique perspective on things. Frankly, the time you got it right about me and defended my innocence to folks who thought I was a Machiavellian slime-o, in Capo III, helping us not only win but win in devastating fashion, is the one right answer I'll never forget and it erases all the wrongs.

[Visor]

Lynch writeup tomorrow and night phase ends the day after. Real life reasons.


Begin... the final night.

Alive 2/17:
9. DaveShack
12. Askthepizzaguy

Dead 15/17:
5. Monty: Lynched Day 1
15. Lewwyn: Killed Night 1
14. Splitpersonality: Lynched Day 2
10. Tuuvi: Killed Night 2
3. Riedquat: Lynched Day 3
13. White_Eyes:D: Killed Night 3
11. Kagemusha: Lynched Day 4
6. Atheotes: Killed Night 4
17. Seon: Lynched Day 5
7. Nightbringer: Killed Night 5
4. Arjos: Lynched Day 6
16. BSmith: Killed Night 6
1. SalmonSoil: Lynched Day 7
2. LazyMcCrow: Killed Night 7

[Jarema]

lololololol :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, :daisy:

[DaveShack]

I'm officially confused. Does this mean the game will end with a fight to the death or something? Or a deader isn't really dead? Because normally if the last mafia is lynched the game is over, and if not lynched then the last townie gets autokilled.

[SalmonSoil]

Mmmmm suspense

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm officially confused. Does this mean the game will end with a fight to the death or something? Or a deader isn't really dead? Because normally if the last mafia is lynched the game is over, and if not lynched then the last townie gets autokilled.

You're either being very coy about your astounding win, or we will both wake up alive.

I'm not about to kill you tonight, Dave. So if you're innocent, it will be the law offices of Dave and Shack, and their favorite client Pizzadude, celebrating victory in the morning.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're guilty though, you basically avoided everyone's radar all game. Kudos and congrats on that.

[Visor]

I'm drinking, no write up tonight.

[Jarema]

OMG

I am so confused.
I was truly innocent. If you are not mafia, Pizza, I do not know what is happening. If you both wake up at morning... well, I would not understand why the last day happened. My best guess then would be that we were playing a game without mafia (??), and/or that host is the killer

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're innocent and I'm innocent, you think the game was a setup, before thinking Dave was guilty?

Man, we got beat hard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There really wasn't a chance in hell of you voting Dave on that last round, was there?

[Jarema]

If you're innocent and I'm innocent, you think the game was a setup, before thinking Dave was guilty?

Man, we got beat hard.

No. But his post after night begins sounds as innocent one to me...


There really wasn't a chance in hell of you voting Dave on that last round, was there?

A small one? I believed truly that you are mafia. If anything, words of Dave could change my mind; or opinions of people already dead. Your arguments could not make me believe you at that moment.

[Visor]

I am too out of it to write something Okay guys

[Jarema]

one sentence of info?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am too out of it to write something Okay guys

Yes, Visor. Go enjoy yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If anything, words of Dave could change my mind

Dave isn't a long poster, and he's too experienced to say anything that incriminating in a vanilla game.

You can't read his p-p-p-poker face. Waiting for Dave to slip up before suspecting him is not wise.

I saw things, but you always looked scummier to me than him.

[Visor]

Yes, Visor. Go enjoy yourself.

Thank you. I am. Its funy

[LazyMcCrow]

Have the mafia been dead for days?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Have the mafia been dead for days?

You WERE acting completely off, Lazy mah boy. I FOS you for being dead and suggesting this.

[Visor]

Udon;y kniow?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Udon;y kniow?

Here you go.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?63332-The-Drunkards-tThread

Those mean sober people won't bother you annnnny more.

[Visor]

Thanks yuoul,.

[LazyMcCrow]

Drums spectral fingers against Visorslashs' clammy forehead

[Visor]

Drums spectral fingers against Visorslashs' clammy forehead

I'm fine now, writeup incoming. Probably going to take ages though. That was a fun night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Probably going to take ages though. That was a fun night.


:no: We're doomed.

[LazyMcCrow]

:no: We're doomed.

I'm still expecting you to say 'Haha! I was mafiyar!'
But I guess that's just my way of postponing the apology I feel I probably owe you :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm still expecting you to say 'Haha! I was mafiyar!'
But I guess that's just my way of postponing the apology I feel I probably owe you :shame:

You know guys, I'm one of the most talkative players with a long history of being mafia or townie.

I wonder, am I really that hard to read? Because you guys seem to get it backwards way more often than what I consider the norm. I give you plenty of information to go off of, you know where I stand on any given player for most of the game. There are games like the Campground or Trouble in Waiting where the living AND the dead are both screaming bloody murder for my head, and I'm a townie. Then I go through entire other games without much suspicion, being a dirtbag mafioso.

Do I post too much for serious analysis of my play to be done? Too much to read, so nobody wants to try to sit back and analyze it? Or do they do the analysis and it just comes up with an inaccurate result over and over?

I'm just curious, not ranting or anything.

[Visor]

There weren’t many men left in the town now. It was small to begin with, but it was almost a ghost town now. Still they continued to kill each other off, in hope that they would get lucky and end this horrible saga once and for all. After an intense period of debate, the remaining few members of the town chose LazyMcCrow and SalmonSoil to duel to the death for their freedom. They were offered three weapons each, Lazy choosing the signpost, and Salmon choosing the whip.

They were corralled into the centre of town, passing the corpse of the state troopers and Sheriff Seon. The crowd was a lot more solemn then they were the first time they had a duel and Lazy still had nightmares of his first run in with the duelling arena. He shuddered at the thought of it, and brought up his signpost ready for another battle. Salmon had a mad glint in his eyes as he cracked the whip menacingly. Without a sound he lunged at Crow, the whip snapping against the signpost, ironically a stop sign that he only just got up in time. Salmon spun round and the whip followed lashing against Crow’s right leg which led him to gasp in pain and drop to one knee. Salmon, trying to push the advantage, swung down with all his might in an attempt to break Crow, but he was expecting it, and simply rolled out of the way and smashed the sign on the whip, cutting the top part off.

Salmon growled and advanced again, this time Crow fought back, first knocking the whip out of its swing and then closing in to dig the end into Salmon’s gut. He was propelled backward and fell onto his back. Lazy went to seal the deal but Salmon would not give up. The whip struck Lazy’s face causing him to scream as the whip left scar marks, the signpost falling to the ground. Lazy dived onto the whip and began to wrestle over it with Salmon, eventually pulling it free, only to let Salmon grab the signpost.

In opposite situations this time, the murderous glint was back in Salmon’s eye. He began to grin wildly and advance once more on Lazy. He swung the whip at the ground near Salmon, causing him to flinch. Lazy looked around him and saw another weapon grouping; he began to get an idea in his head. Salmon continued his advance, undeterred. Lazy waited until he was in striking distance, and turned, flicking the whip at the weapons, pulling a mace and sword into the ring. The crowd gasped, entranced at this dance of death. Salmon threw the signpost to the ground and ran over to the sword, while Lazy picked up the mace.

With a roar, Lazy charged Salmon with his new weapon the two weapons clashed as the men traded blows, they were an even match. The fight went on for minutes that seemed like hours, as they perfectly countered each other’s blows and strikes, neither one getting an advantage over the other. Lazy broke away, back heaving hard as sweat poured down his face. Salmon was in a similar situation. Salmon was the first to recover, brandishing his sword he lunged at Lazy, who turned the thrust and elbowed Salmon in the head. Pivoting, he brought the mace on his shoulder and as Salmon dropped to the ground, Lazy knew it was over. He went to deliver the finishing blow, when he was punched in the gut by a still kicking Salmon. “It ain’t over yet boy!” the fisherman growled at him and tackled Lazy to the ground. Lazy struggled to hold Salmon back and the mace fell to the ground in the struggle. Lazy bit Salmon’s ear, leading him to scream and using this; he pushed Salmon off of him, and grabbed his mace. Screaming incoherently, Lazy swung the mace at Salmon again, connecting with his head and he fell to the ground. Still screaming, he swung again and again until Salmon’s head began to separate from his body. Suddenly realising it was over, Lazy sat down.

The retired cop, DaveShack, sighed,” Well, we’ll see you in the morning then fellas. Terrible stuff this.”

[Visor]

After the duel LazyMcCrow was not done yet. He was going to find the killer and put an end to this once and for all. Snooping about former detective Kage’s house, he found a revolver with three bullets in it. “You’re a tough nut Lazy, hard to crack.” A voice said behind him. Lazy felt suddenly cold and shuddered. “Let me go. I want to get out of here and never come back.” He replied to the voice.

“I would, you’re a brave man, but I’m afraid I can’t take the risk.” The voice said, it sounded like he was getting closer to Lazy.

Lazy swallowed, and ran, not looking back, which was a mistake, because he had no idea where the voice was coming from. He turned a street corner, and found himself on the ground, an outstretched arm in front of him. Seeing stars, he instinctively rolled out of the way, as a boot came crushing down where his head was a second earlier. He scrambled to his feet, and ran as fast as he could, trying to head out of town. He heard footsteps behind him and forced himself to run faster, the sheer terror of his situation fuelled him.

He kept running and running, unaware that there was no longer any footsteps behind him, shuddering, out of breath, he looked around, and heard nothing. He was out of the town, he was not dead, the only person to escape successfully. He thought about his friends in the town, but he realised that if he went back, he would be killed. He felt terrible, but he began the long walk out of the town, reflecting on the past events and thinking of what he would do with himself. He hoped he could hitch a ride before it got too dark.

He heard a car coming from the intersection near the town. What luck this was! Finally, he would be free from this nightmare! But as the car approached him, a darker thought appeared. Maybe this wasn’t a rescuer, maybe this wasn’t a civilian. Maybe this was the killer. The thought took control of Lazy and as the car began to slow as it approached him, Lazy knew that he was in trouble. Sprinting, he ran down the side of the road, the whole area was plain flat ground for miles around and he had nowhere to hide so he would run, run for his life.

He forgot however, about the revolver he had stolen. And as the care came closer and closer, he put his hands in his pockets for something to use, and pulled out the revolver. The car came to a shrieking stop as the lights engulfed Lazy. He fired, hitting the front tire, the second shot hitting the other front tire. He began to run again, hoping he could get away from this mad man. The door opened and shots spewed out of a gun at Lazy. He felt a bullet hit him in the leg, and he screamed in pain and fell to the ground as blood began to pour out of the wound.

“You’ve got one last shot, McCrow, you might want to use it on yourself to save me the trouble. It’s a long way until the next town.”

“:daisy: you mother:daisy:” Lazy screamed, brandishing the revolver.

“Good luck then, because you will be dead by tomorrow.” The man laughed and walked back to his car, grabbing some equipment, and began to walk back to the town. Lazy stayed there, until he couldn’t hear anymore footsteps. Dragging his leg, he managed to get into an upright position. He began to hobble, whimpering quietly down the road. The sheriff was probably right, he would be dead, and he would have lost a lot of blood. He looked at the gun. Not yet. Not just yet. You don’t give up this easily Lazy. He stumbled on.

The town woke up, and found Lazy missing. DaveShack shook his head, and organised the voting procedure once again, this time for the final time.

[LazyMcCrow]

After the duel LazyMcCrow was not done yet. He was going to find the killer and put an end to this once and for all. Snooping about former detective Kage’s house, he found a revolver with three bullets in it. “You’re a tough nut Lazy, hard to crack.” A voice said behind him. Lazy felt suddenly cold and shuddered. “Let me go. I want to get out of here and never come back.” He replied to the voice.

“I would, you’re a brave man, but I’m afraid I can’t take the risk.” The voice said, it sounded like he was getting closer to Lazy.

Lazy swallowed, and ran, not looking back, which was a mistake, because he had no idea where the voice was coming from. He turned a street corner, and found himself on the ground, an outstretched arm in front of him. Seeing stars, he instinctively rolled out of the way, as a boot came crushing down where his head was a second earlier. He scrambled to his feet, and ran as fast as he could, trying to head out of town. He heard footsteps behind him and forced himself to run faster, the sheer terror of his situation fuelled him.

He kept running and running, unaware that there was no longer any footsteps behind him, shuddering, out of breath, he looked around, and heard nothing. He was out of the town, he was not dead, the only person to escape successfully. He thought about his friends in the town, but he realised that if he went back, he would be killed. He felt terrible, but he began the long walk out of the town, reflecting on the past events and thinking of what he would do with himself. He hoped he could hitch a ride before it got too dark.

He heard a car coming from the intersection near the town. What luck this was! Finally, he would be free from this nightmare! But as the car approached him, a darker thought appeared. Maybe this wasn’t a rescuer, maybe this wasn’t a civilian. Maybe this was the killer. The thought took control of Lazy and as the car began to slow as it approached him, Lazy knew that he was in trouble. Sprinting, he ran down the side of the road, the whole area was plain flat ground for miles around and he had nowhere to hide so he would run, run for his life.

He forgot however, about the revolver he had stolen. And as the care came closer and closer, he put his hands in his pockets for something to use, and pulled out the revolver. The car came to a shrieking stop as the lights engulfed Lazy. He fired, hitting the front tire, the second shot hitting the other front tire. He began to run again, hoping he could get away from this mad man. The door opened and shots spewed out of a gun at Lazy. He felt a bullet hit him in the leg, and he screamed in pain and fell to the ground as blood began to pour out of the wound.

“You’ve got one last shot, McCrow, you might want to use it on yourself to save me the trouble. It’s a long way until the next town.”

“:daisy: you mother:daisy:” Lazy screamed, brandishing the revolver.

“Good luck then, because you will be dead by tomorrow.” The man laughed and walked back to his car, grabbing some equipment, and began to walk back to the town. Lazy stayed there, until he couldn’t hear anymore footsteps. Dragging his leg, he managed to get into an upright position. He began to hobble, whimpering quietly down the road. The sheriff was probably right, he would be dead, and he would have lost a lot of blood. He looked at the gun. Not yet. Not just yet. You don’t give up this easily Lazy. He stumbled on.

The town woke up, and found Lazy missing. DaveShack shook his head, and organised the voting procedure once again, this time for the final time.

Well played Shirriff Daveshack

[Visor]

Sheriff is Seon, read the above writeup.

Also:

It was a long day. The final three inhabitants of the town gathered and discussed until dark. Jarrema was particularly focused on ATPG; he knew that it must be this man, while both ATPG and DaveShack were certain of Jarrema’s guilt. Jarrema was about to start to point out the flaws in ATPG’s logic, when DaveShack brought the butt of his gun onto Jarrema’s kneecap and ATPG punched Jarrema into the face. He fell to the ground unconscious. DaveShack nodded to ATPG, who began to drag Jarrema’s body to the podium and tied him around one of the supporting poles. “Let’s get to work.”

DaveShack and ATPG worked all day on the gallows to hang Jarrema. The former workshop of BSmith was not empty and no-one was around to talk. It was deathly quiet except for the buzz of the work tools. They didn’t say a word to each other, knowing that this was the only way they could end this. In the end, they assembled the gallows in front of Jarrema, who had woken up by then, a red bulge on knee. “DaveShack, you fool! It’s ATPG, he’s playing you. You’re wrong, wake up to yourself!”

DaveShack looked at Jarrema and shook his head sadly. They knocked Jarrema out again and they hung the rope around his neck. As they waited in silence for Jarrema to wake up, the sun began to set on the town. DaveShack had a nagging fear in his mind about ATPG, but he didn’t believe that it could be him. ATPG was glad this was all over. He had tried so hard to destroy this menace, and now he had finally done it.

Jarrema woke. “You bastards!” were the last words he spoke, as DaveShack pulled the lever to reveal the ground below. Jarrema starting choking, the initial drop hadn’t killed him. He struggled to get out of the rope, but they had done it too tight, and his hands were tied together. His eyes bulged as the rope choked the life out of him. He lasted a few minutes, until eventually, silence was heard again. A bird crowed as Jarrema breathed his last.

“Well, we’ll find out whether we were right in the morning, won’t we?” DaveShack said to ATPG, with a piercing glint in his eyes. ATPG nodded, and the two made their separate ways.

[Montmorency]

You lie!

There is no sheriff...

[Visor]

There are:



until the final writeup.

[LazyMcCrow]

*...dies in a field, somewhere on the edge of town....*

[Nightbringer]

There are:



until the final writeup.

*Starts crying because the wait is so long. :)

[SalmonSoil]

I tried to whip Lazy into shape for that confrontation with the scum, but alas, he put a stop to that.

[Jarema]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

cant wait

[Visor]

Interlude:

The night was quiet, not a sound to be heard. The breeze from the river blew in over the town, mixed with sickly sweet smell of death. This was no longer a town.

Silence reigned.

Then, a gunshot.

[Visor]

The Final Morning

DaveShack was up early. He couldn't sleep. He sat near the river, skipping stones across it, but never reaching the other side. He was never very good at it, even as a child, but it was one of his favourite pasttimes. He wondered what he would do now. He couldn't stay here. Too many bad memories. And they would suspect any survivers of the killings anyway. He was glad that the Sheriff, Seon was dead. He was a murderous bastard. He shook his head in remembrance, there was no need to think of that. It was time to move on, to greener pastures, with a little less violence. He would miss his friends, but ultimately, he had no friends left.

DaveShack stood up and stretched. It was time.

He walked into town, and found Askthepizzaguy sleeping on the floor of the bar. Shaking him, he woke him up.

"It's been a long week, and we finally caught the killers. How about a drink to celebrate?"

Dave offered his hand, and Askthepizzaguy looked at it warily for a moment, before accepting it.

"Have a round on the house, I don't think anyone minds." Dave smiled.

Askthepizzaguy grinned back. "Thank god its over."

"Did you hear the gunshot last night?"

"Yeah, must've been a hunter or something because we're both still alive."

"Doesn't matter anyway, drink up, it's time to celebrate our lives, and move on!"

Alive 2/17:
9. DaveShack
12. Askthepizzaguy

Dead 15/17:
5. Monty: Lynched Day 1
15. Lewwyn: Killed Night 1
14. Splitpersonality: Lynched Day 2
10. Tuuvi: Killed Night 2
3. Riedquat: Lynched Day 3
13. White_Eyes:D: Killed Night 3
11. Kagemusha: Lynched Day 4
6. Atheotes: Killed Night 4
17. Seon: Lynched Day 5
7. Nightbringer: Killed Night 5
4. Arjos: Lynched Day 6
16. BSmith: Killed Night 6
1. SalmonSoil: Lynched Day 7
2. LazyMcCrow: Killed Night 7
8. Jarrema: Lynched Day 8


TOWN VICTORY

Good job Town.

[BSmith]

That's a pretty awesome bookend. First and last lynch! :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

But I wasn't a Sergeant!

Nooo!

[Montmorency]

Something's wrong here.

Things are not as they appear.

Visor is wrong! He's lying!

[Arjos]

lol so Monty is really up for a record as mafia lynched on D1 :P

GG folks :D

[Nightbringer]

lol!
That explains monty's wackiness during the game I guess. GG all!

[LazyMcCrow]

Well played town - and Jarema :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh snap, Seon wasn't guilty after all.

:laugh4:

But hey, I got to lynch both mafiosi, being first on both wagons, and survived the game. This is pretty sweet.

My question is, why didn't you scumbags murder me when I lynched Monty on day freaking one? That's a mystery for the ages.

[Visor]

"So Pizzaguy, I had a thought." said DaveShack. "If we had been forced to fight someone, do you think we would still be alive?"

Askthepizzaguy put his drink down for a moment, considering what Dave said. If either one of them had been forced into a battle to the death, it's possible that neither one of them would still be alive to tell the tale. But Askthepizzaguy wasn't so sure he would have lost either. "I think I would have won. I'm pretty sure that I could have taken any one of them." DaveShack raised an eyebrow. "Curious, what makes you so confident?"

Askthepizzaguy raised his glass and took a long swig. "I have what you might call... a History of Violence."

DaveShack said nothing.

"What about yourself, DaveShack? Do you think you could have taken me down?" Pizza said, without looking in his direction. DaveShack suddenly felt very alone, and reached for a weapon to defend himself but could find none.

"How about we settle things like men. I propose a drinking contest... the last man standing is the victor. Allow me to pour us some wine."

Askthepizzaguy took a very old bottle of wine from behind the counter, uncorked it, and began to pour into a pair of glasses.

"So, it is down to you, and it is down to me. And we are at an impasse. I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains. Let me put it this way, have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Morons. Now, I'll drink from my glass, and you, from yours." said Askthepizzaguy.

"No, you've put poison in the wine, and you're going to make me drink it." said DaveShack.

"All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead." said Askthepizzaguy.

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me." said DaveShack.

"You've made your decision then?" said Askthepizzaguy.

"Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you." said DaveShack.

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect." said Askthepizzaguy.

"And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me." said DaveShack.

"You're just stalling now." said Askthepizzaguy.

"You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my Sheriff, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested SalmonSoil, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is not a fish nor does he live underground, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me." said DaveShack.

"You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work." said Askthepizzaguy.

"IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!" said DaveShack.

"Then make your choice." said Askthepizzaguy.

"I will, and I choose to simply battle you to the death! Prepare to die, Askthepizzaguy!" DaveShack shouted ferociously, as he smashed the bottle of wine and prepared to use it as a weapon.

As he rushed from his bar stool, something fell out of his pocket, a small glass vial of clear liquid. It landed on the floor of the tavern and shattered, spilling its contents everywhere.

"Oh no! My insulin!" bemoaned DaveShack.

With a shrug, DaveShack continued to stagger forward, preparing to hack Askthepizzaguy to bits. Askthepizzaguy just sat calmly in his chair, sipping his wine.

"I will MURDER YOU with VIOLENCE, Pizza face! Murder you until you DIE! And then murder you some... more..." panted DaveShack, as his hands began to shake.

"Are you sure you don't want any wine? It's FANTASTIC wine." said Askthepizzaguy.

"No... no.... I've.... got.... to..... kill...... you.... first...." said Dave, as he began to stumble. He fell to the floor and began crawling towards Pizza. Everything started getting hazy.

DaveShack collapsed inches away from Pizzaguy's feet, still wielding the broken wine bottle. "Must... have... sugar..." said DaveShack.

"I sense that you have diabetes for the purposes of this writeup," began Askthepizzaguy. "And having sensed that, I knew that in order to kill you, I would have to offer you something you desperately needed to stay alive, which is a sugary drink. Knowing that you wouldn't trust me, having seen what happened to all of your compatriots, I also knew that you would refuse my generous offer of wine.

It's delicious wine, by the way, this wine in front of me. It's wine that could have been in front of you, but no, you refused to imbibe the precious, life-saving wine.

And now I am certain that you regret your decision, but I'm afraid there's nothing more I can do for you, having offered you the wine politely, and you declined to accept, it would be rude of me to ask again. That's just bad manners, mister DaveShack. I'm afraid I have to find another lawyer now, but in the meantime, I encourage you to think long and hard about the wine in front of me, with the time that you have remaining and still alive."

"Screw you... Pizza.... you will rue.... rue this day, I swear... it...."

"Yes, of course I will. And I will be promptly lynched as a townie for several games, and then you will allow me to survive the next time I am mafia. I know. I know. But in the meantime, have a nice drink, on me.... or more appropriately, on you."

Askthepizzaguy poured out a full bottle of very expensive, very hard alcohol all over DaveShack, and prepared his victory cigar.

"Smoke before fire." said Pizzaguy, smugly.

"No.... you unimaginable bastard!" sputtered DaveShack.

"Imagine it, baby." :cool:

Askthepizzaguy enjoyed a few long puffs of his victory cigar, and then offered it to his fallen friend, the best way he knew how, by dipping the lit end in the alcohol soaking his clothing.

"I don't mind if you smoke in a bar, by the way. In fact, I prefer it. And now, allow me to play one last song, for the road."

Askthepizzaguy plugged in his stereo and popped in a CD, as DaveShack began screaming in agony.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gb5a2oTGQ8



Alive 1/17:
12. Askthepizzaguy

Dead 15/17:
5. Monty: Lynched Day 1
15. Lewwyn: Killed Night 1
14. Splitpersonality: Lynched Day 2
10. Tuuvi: Killed Night 2
3. Riedquat: Lynched Day 3
13. White_Eyes:D: Killed Night 3
11. Kagemusha: Lynched Day 4
6. Atheotes: Killed Night 4
17. Seon: Lynched Day 5
7. Nightbringer: Killed Night 5
4. Arjos: Lynched Day 6
16. BSmith: Killed Night 6
1. SalmonSoil: Lynched Day 7
2. LazyMcCrow: Killed Night 7
8. Jarrema: Lynched Day 8
9. DaveShack: Killed Night 8


MAFIA VICTORY

[Visor]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/y8cBkctLDEb

Mafia QT. If I insulted you, I am sorry.

Epilogue to come tomorrow, ATPG wanted me to post this early. :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, less a mystery for the ages, more a mystery for the past 40 minutes.

[LazyMcCrow]

Can you just tell me if you're going to change this again - before I allow the smallest 'idgen of smugness to fleetingly waft across my cold, dead face.

[Visor]

No, that's it. Game over. Quicktopic has been posted. Jarema, you are free to talk again.

[Nightbringer]

*grumpy face,
pizza!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can you just tell me if you're going to change this again - before I allow the smallest 'idgen of smugness to fleetingly waft across my cold, dead face.

:kiss: I wuv you my Lazy friend. ~:grouphug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

*grumpy face,
pizza!!!!

And I wuv you even more than I wuv Lazy, actually.

Now, I ask you, where is this credulous stance toward me when I'm a townie? Where is it? Nowhere to be found.

[LazyMcCrow]

:kiss: I wuv you my Lazy friend. ~:grouphug:

backatcha babe

[Jarema]

buahahaha

funny game :)

congratulations, mafia

[Nightbringer]

Grumble grumble.
Looks like I managed to contribute to another ATPG mafia win. course, this time you killed me and I lost, that wasn't very nice.

I do feel a weird kind of pride that i earned two quotes in the QT of posts that benefited you in particular.



aww heck, how can I resist that pizzay face.

~:grouphug:

[Arjos]

Bah! You did lurk afterall XD

[Riedquat]

Bravooo..oo?

Damn! Pizzaguy fooled us all again.... :no:

Congratz mafia!

Very enjoyable game Visor, thanks for hosting! :bow:

[Montmorency]

Pizza was the real villain all along.

I was just a down-on-his-luck 'Nam vet who ran out of meds; almost immediately, Pizza disposed of me and went on his own sadistic killing spree.

Such a tragedy. :cry:

Why didn't you listen when I begged you to stop him?

[Kagemusha]

Congrats Pizza! Truly dominating performance.:bow:

[DaveShack]

Well, I'll be dipped.

I saw the fake writeup on a quick glance, no time to post. Figured I'd comment later, if there was post-game discussion.
Unfortunately this deprived y'all of the visible "yay we won" followed by "oh :daisy:, if I had just listened to my gut".

Thing is, the master of disguise will be a townie next and we'll probably hang him for it, no matter how he acts. But that's mafia for ya. Till then, kudos for a magnificent performance! :bow:

[Montmorency]

I'm disappointed that none of you are hailing Tuuvi as the MVP. He lynched scum D1, and guessed the scum team's composition on D2!

[Nightbringer]

all hail Tuuvi!

[White_eyes:D]

And now you all see why lynchbait Pizzaguy is to be lynched before the last round or so....Pizzaguy even argued with Sigurd/TinCow about it when they suggested lynching him in the last round in a few games.:laugh4:

Good job Mafia but I still think you overdid it Pizzaguy. You knew that nobody was going to lynch you in the last round.(You killed off those who would even try):smoking:

I wish I would have checked this thread earlier....I did get a pm from Visorslash on night 2 and didn't even know the game was on-going. It's my fault though, I signed up and it's up to me to check the thread.:shrug:

[Nightbringer]

So, when can we get a new game going?! :)

[Visor]

I can host a minigame to pass the time until I get my new small game developed properly if you guys want.

[Nightbringer]

sure :)

[atheotes]

Good game Visor.
Congrats Pizza and Monty.

When i thought you were suspicious, i told myself you wouldnt lurk as mafia and let you metagame :stare:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would do anything as mafia, but for the record, my life got real busy. This is day 12 or 13 of working nonstop.

Besides, I was once again the most talkative poster. "Lurking", indeed...

[Visor]

To be fair, you did spam it up a bit at the end. :tongue: (As soon as you became super townie, that is)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Epilogue! You promised! :grin:

[Visor]

Yes I know, but I'm busy. Tonight when I get home, probably.