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Kadagar_AV
05-21-2012, 19:05
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=270165
I don't think I need to write much here, plenty of things in the article to discuss.
For me? I am baffled, a Swedish politician could never had said anything like that.
Ironside
05-21-2012, 19:27
He's the SD equivalent in a country where they are currently expanding settlements in a pure occupation grab.
Then again, our regulars are making trice stupid statements instead. Debating climate is much nicer than that though.
Hooahguy
05-21-2012, 20:59
Yup. Saw a ton of this when I was there. Blatant racism is everywhere. I was talking to a Yemenite soldier who was complaining that he was being passed over for promotion because he was Yemenite.
Also I think this line was eerie:
"Put everyone without exception into prison or detention camps,"
Well, it only took like six decades to forget history. Ironic for us Jews whose motto seems to be "never forget."
Kadagar_AV
05-21-2012, 21:06
Yeah, that line made me go "WTF"...
I am starting to become deeply troubled by the Israeli's. They seem to have some post-WWII-get-out-of-jail-for-free card a'la in the Monopoly game, I just wonder how much longer it lasts?
Also, bordering Iran, how many comments like that can the American populace swallow before they become less inclined to support Israel? I guess this has been quieted down in the US media, but I do wonder what African Americans feel about it.
Hooahguy
05-21-2012, 21:09
Im still trying to find a way to release the grip AIPAC has on our government.
Also why I refuse to attend any AIPAC conference, even if it means a free trip to DC.
how many comments like that can the American populace swallow before they become less inclined to support Israel?
I crossed that bridge a long time ago. My brother has had extensive business dealings in Israel, and his white-boy take: "There is nobody on God's green earth more racist than the Israelis."
Hooahguy
05-21-2012, 21:22
I spent the past year laughing at people who say that Israel is a place that accepts everyone.
Unless you arent Jewish. In that case you arent welcome in Israel except as a tourist so you can be cheated out of your money.
Kadagar_AV
05-21-2012, 21:24
How would they treat a tall blonde swedish guy?
Kralizec
05-21-2012, 21:27
I spent the past year laughing at people who say that Israel is a place that accepts everyone.
Unless you arent Jewish. In that case you arent welcome in Israel except as a tourist so you can be cheated out of your money.
Isn't there a fair amount of prejudice (and sometimes outright racism) among the jewish Israelis as well? I.e. persian jews are [insert negative stereotype]
Or at least that's what I've heard somewhere - I'll take it back if I'm wrong. IIRC the previous president of Israel, the iranian-jewish one who resigned in a rape scandal, tried to play the persecution card.
HoreTore
05-21-2012, 21:28
While Shas and the settlers most certainly represent a textbook definition of insanity, one must never forget that they are just a minority. And unfortunately, all countries have such minorities.
Hooahguy
05-21-2012, 21:29
How would they treat a tall blonde swedish guy?
Just another tourist.
Isn't there a fair amount of prejudice (and sometimes outright racism) among the jewish Israelis as well? I.e. persian jews are [insert negative stereotype]
Or at least that's what I've heard somewhere - I'll take it back if I'm wrong.
Yup. Persians are dirty, Ethiopians are crooks and cant be trusted (probably arent even Jewish!), American Jews are stupid, and only Moroccan Jews can make decent Falafel. Which might actually be true.
HoreTore
05-21-2012, 21:30
Isn't there a fair amount of prejudice (and sometimes outright racism) among the jewish Israelis as well? I.e. persian jews are [insert negative stereotype]
Or at least that's what I've heard somewhere - I'll take it back if I'm wrong. IIRC the previous president of Israel, the iranian-jewish one who resigned in a rape scandal, tried to play the persecution card.
My bet is that the feelings are about the same as the feelings the prussian germans faced when they moved to germany after ww2...
Kralizec
05-21-2012, 21:45
My bet is that the feelings are about the same as the feelings the prussian germans faced when they moved to germany after ww2...
I don't know how similar they are (not very, says my gut) allthough Prussians were indeed not necessarily popular with other Germans. Adenauer in particular; Der Spiegel once had an article about some newly released documents suggesting that he wanted to give away west Berlin to the eastern bloc to gain Leipzig and some surrounding territory; because he disliked all things Prussian in general (in part because he was a staunch protestant catholic) and Berlin in particular.
/thread derail
HoreTore
05-21-2012, 22:26
Looks like it's not limited to Israel. (http://nypress.com/what-happens-when-40000-orthodox-jewish-men-take-over-citi-field/)
Skullheadhq
05-22-2012, 07:27
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=270165
I don't think I need to write much here, plenty of things in the article to discuss.
For me? I am baffled, a Swedish politician could never had said anything like that.
You have no idea what it's like in South Tel-Aviv with all those immigrants, now do you?
And you do?
Discrimination of Sephardim and Mizrahim is not a new thing, it's been around basically since the founding of the state. There's this brand of Israeli cinema in which the Mizrahis are typically regarded as charming cavemen.
Hooahguy
05-22-2012, 13:55
And you do?
Discrimination of Sephardim and Mizrahim is not a new thing, it's been around basically since the founding of the state. There's this brand of Israeli cinema in which the Mizrahis are typically regarded as charming cavemen.
I found that the Sephardim prided themselves as being "true" Israelis, while others mock them for being "uncouth barbarians."
Rhyfelwyr
05-22-2012, 14:31
Ulster Scots are the true Israelis.
gaelic cowboy
05-22-2012, 15:55
Ulster Scots are the true Israelis.
I knew there was a reason you took one of my green fields :wink:
Ironside
05-22-2012, 17:57
Well, it only took like six decades to forget history. Ironic for us Jews whose motto seems to be "never forget."
I might very well be wrong, "what to remember? I was never there" might be more true in this case.
Or to be more clear and as a general question: How much does time of migration and original country influence political stance in Israel?
Hooahguy
05-22-2012, 19:13
I might very well be wrong, "what to remember? I was never there" might be more true in this case.
Well there are still a good number of survivors left, though the number is dwindling.
Or to be more clear and as a general question: How much does time of migration and original country influence political stance in Israel?
Sorry, I dont get your question.
Ironside
05-22-2012, 20:19
Well there are still a good number of survivors left, though the number is dwindling.
Sorry, I dont get your question.
How many of the more radical Isrealis is actually related to holocaust victims/survivors or refugees? And a more general question of how those different groups still have different political opinions. The old hardcore Zionists should've moved to Palestina before things started to go really sour. It's merely a thought and might be completely wrong.
I crossed that bridge a long time ago. My brother has had extensive business dealings in Israel, and his white-boy take: "There is nobody on God's green earth more racist than the Israelis."
He needs to visit Japan more then.
The Stranger
05-23-2012, 15:12
He needs to visit Japan more then.
or russia, or morroco, or china...
Montmorency
05-23-2012, 23:38
It's official - everyone's racist except western Europe!
:birthday2:
Kadagar_AV
05-23-2012, 23:51
It's official - everyone's racist except western Europe!
:creep:
It's official - everyone's racist except western Europe!
:birthday2:
That's hardly what we mean. But most western nations that I know of wouldn't allow a business to put up a sign that says "no service to foreginers" (and that it means the equivalent of whites only) like Japan does.
Major Robert Dump
05-25-2012, 23:30
So if a Japanese restuarant put up a sign that said "No service to foreigners", and then I taped my eyes back and put on some Buck Teeth AKA every Asian character Jerry Lewis ever played, and then tried to sneak into the store and blend in as a foreigner..... would that make me a racist? I mean, they started it.
a completely inoffensive name
05-25-2012, 23:36
So if a Japanese restuarant put up a sign that said "No service to foreigners", and then I taped my eyes back and put on some Buck Teeth AKA every Asian character Jerry Lewis ever played, and then tried to sneak into the store and blend in as a foreigner..... would that make me a racist? I mean, they started it.
Relevant link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk352i0FUeQ
So if a Japanese restuarant put up a sign that said "No service to foreigners", and then I taped my eyes back and put on some Buck Teeth AKA every Asian character Jerry Lewis ever played, and then tried to sneak into the store and blend in as a foreigner..... would that make me a racist? I mean, they started it.
Foreigner also covers the Korean and Chinese population of Japan you know. So no matter what kind of Fleisher-esque racist caricature you tried to pass yourself off as you'd still be foreigner.
Foreigner also covers the Korean and Chinese population of Japan you know. So no matter what kind of Fleisher-esque racist caricature you tried to pass yourself off as you'd still be foreigner.
You are one, Asians have no trouble with that. It's not racismn, you just can't become an Asian, you aren't one after all
Major Robert Dump
05-27-2012, 01:52
No one answered my question....
In response to a racist establishment's refusal to serve foreigner, would it be racist to pass myself off as foreinger? And just to make Lars573 happy I would tweak the costume with some Japanese flava so as not to confuse anyone that I was trying to be Korean or Japanese. Not sure how I would do that, maybe dress up as Shogun and say "boo kah kee" over and over again....
Major Robert Dump
05-27-2012, 01:57
Anyway,
On a more serious note, there were several places I visited in the Philippines that had subtle service limitations.
I witnessed in a couple of bars where the Korean customers were ignored until they left. I witnessed a couple of bars where a group of north african black men dressed like hollywood gangsters were not only ignored, but when they asked why they were being ignored, the mamassan told them they were trash. I also went to a Korean KTV bar that was rumored to be owned by the Korean mafia, and even though it was staffed by Filipinas, they ignored me and my party for about 30 minutes until I flashed a ROK military patch, but after one drink we left.
The limitations were pretty subtle, as there were no signs. I seriously doubt there would be any recourse unless it was a foreigner mistreating a filipina. To be quite honest, I don't have a problem with a business owner deciding who he will and won't serve.
Tellos Athenaios
05-27-2012, 13:46
In response to a racist establishment's refusal to serve foreigner, would it be racist to pass myself off as foreinger? And just to make Lars573 happy I would tweak the costume with some Japanese flava so as not to confuse anyone that I was trying to be Korean or Japanese. Not sure how I would do that, maybe dress up as Shogun and say "boo kah kee" over and over again....
No, not racist: merely being a bit of a jerk.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-27-2012, 16:38
Anyway,
On a more serious note, there were several places I visited in the Philippines that had subtle service limitations.
I witnessed in a couple of bars where the Korean customers were ignored until they left. I witnessed a couple of bars where a group of north african black men dressed like hollywood gangsters were not only ignored, but when they asked why they were being ignored, the mamassan told them they were trash. I also went to a Korean KTV bar that was rumored to be owned by the Korean mafia, and even though it was staffed by Filipinas, they ignored me and my party for about 30 minutes until I flashed a ROK military patch, but after one drink we left.
The limitations were pretty subtle, as there were no signs. I seriously doubt there would be any recourse unless it was a foreigner mistreating a filipina. To be quite honest, I don't have a problem with a business owner deciding who he will and won't serve.
Where I live we have a couple of bars that won't serve locals.
It's always difficult to tell what's racist and what's a prejudice against a type - but I do think that refusing to serve someone, and proudly proclaiming not to, is beyond the pale.
That's my position too. Although were I a bar-keep or restaurateur, I'd only single out a specific individual who had caused trouble before. That's how I was raised.
No one answered my question....
In response to a racist establishment's refusal to serve foreigner, would it be racist to pass myself off as foreinger? And just to make Lars573 happy I would tweak the costume with some Japanese flava so as not to confuse anyone that I was trying to be Korean or Japanese. Not sure how I would do that, maybe dress up as Shogun and say "boo kah kee" over and over again....
I can't answer. BUT I think this is the kind of hypothesis what needs to be tested, Sasha Baron-Cohen style.
How would they treat a tall blonde swedish guy?
I´m a tall blonde Portuguese guy and they treated me well enough both times I went there on business trips.
One day the subject of politics in the "holy land" came up during lunch break, and you could sense the tone would get ugly very fast in that discussion, I found it better to avoid such a subject from then on.....other than that, people like any other on a day-to-day basis.
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