View Full Version : Large Mafia Game Mafia vs Werewolves [Concluded]
LazyMcCrow
06-15-2012, 00:36
If someone has the time, would someone please compile a list of every person in the game who has ever been wounded, even the dead folks.
I would like to be able to have a quick easy reference as to who got attacked and survived on which nights.
My assumption is that one of those is a false flag operation, and that the wolves "attacked" one of their own to make said person look innocent. I'll direct my efforts on those persons. Anyone volunteer?
Your assumption is entirely that - a way off assumption. I'd assume from your post, and the evidence and tone of the first few days that the injuries instead of deaths were down to Pro-Town action and that you are a werewolf. But I have been smoking quite a lot of weed this week, so take these words from beyond the grave with just a pinch of paprika. . .
..Remember - Lazy's Spice Emporium: Keeping it chilli from beyond the grave.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 00:44
Your assumption is entirely that - a way off assumption. I'd assume from your post, and the evidence and tone of the first few days that the injuries instead of deaths were down to Pro-Town action and that you are a werewolf.
Yes, well the town has already examined me in such a way to conclusively prove I am not a werewolf, to a degree of 100% certainty.
Further, I'm asking for more data. What I do with it, might be beneficial, it might not. Please don't undermine me when you've nothing positive to add.
LazyMcCrow
06-15-2012, 00:56
Please don't undermine me when you've nothing positive to add. I applaud your quest for data and your lack of lycanthropy. Is that a world weary townie response, or a mafioso response? Hmmm.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 00:58
I applaud your quest for data and your lack of lycanthropy. Is that a world weary townie response, or a mafioso response? Hmmm.
Ok, assume I'm mafia. Lynch me before the game is over. In the meantime I'd like to assist in the total eradication of the wolves. Capice?
wideyedwanderer
06-15-2012, 01:09
Unvote, Vote: Csargo.
Vote the potion to Askthepizzaguy.
I've been doing some re-tooling of my mafia play, so I actually have a good response. Assume for the moment I'm an innocent townie who is caught up in a case of mistaken identity. That being said, you're likely going to die as a result of townie convergence on the remaining scum suspects, of which you happen to be one.
Assist me in solving the game by pointing a finger or two. Who are your top suspects at the moment you'd like to see dead before game end?
That being said, I find it highly unlikely that you're innocent. So you won't be swaying me unless your story is really, really good.
The King is number one on my list. His response to why he voted someone (I'll have to go back through the thread to find the post I'm thinking of). I still don't understand why edse is voting me. I'd need to reread the thread to give a better opinion on both.
Vote:The King
The thing I find most strange about this accusation is you've not supported it with anything tangible. I guess that's the way it goes.
Also, saying I flinched when atheotes was going to be lynched is a huge stretch. How did I in any way affect that lynch or try to save atheotes? I voted Lazy that round iirc. How is that flinching? I think you're trying to connect dots that don't exist.
Unvote, Vote: Csargo.
Vote the potion to Askthepizzaguy.
Well, that's a thing.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 01:30
The King is number one on my list. His response to why he voted someone (I'll have to go back through the thread to find the post I'm thinking of). I still don't understand why edse is voting me. I'd need to reread the thread to give a better opinion on both.
I can't speak for either of them; at this point votes on you will likely be due to my direct influence. However edse had been doing it before, so that's worth asking about.
I can take another look at The King. He's on my short list for suspects as well, worth examining.
The thing I find most strange about this accusation is you've not supported it with anything tangible. I guess that's the way it goes.
Very well. Assume you're going to die today- what is your explanation for how you've been assisting us in defeating the mafia or the wolves so far? In particular, what use are you?
Also, saying I flinched when atheotes was going to be lynched is a huge stretch. How did I in any way affect that lynch or try to save atheotes? I voted Lazy that round iirc. How is that flinching? I think you're trying to connect dots that don't exist.
Maybe they don't exist. But trying to connect dots is how one solves these games. The only alternative is randomness.
Very well. Assume you're going to die today- what is your explanation for how you've been assisting us in defeating the mafia or the wolves so far? In particular, what use are you?
The same as you or anyone else, to vote and look for things that are abnormal in player posts. I don't have any sort of abilities, so I guess I don't have much use other than my vote.
Maybe they don't exist. But trying to connect dots is how one solves these games. The only alternative is randomness.
You ignored my questions, how convenient for you. How did my actions affect anything that day? I don't see how you could come to such a conclusion.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 02:10
The same as you or anyone else, to vote and look for things that are abnormal in player posts. I don't have any sort of abilities, so I guess I don't have much use other than my vote.
I tracked you to BSmith's house last night. Therefore, your claim of vanilla townie is indeed false, you have an ability, and since you were the only visitor to BSmith's house, your power is one that can cause injury or death.
The time has now elapsed for you to plausibly claim town vigilante. I also expect that the mafia, while powerful, have no more killing roles. Hence, you are a werewolf, not town or mafia.
Well that is certainly interesting. vote: Csargo
Montmorency
06-15-2012, 02:26
Alright, I want to hear thoughts on this:
In the N1 writeup, three attacks were described, and one resulted in an injury.
Why, then, have no injuries been included in writeups since?
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 02:32
Visorslash being dead and revealed as a Werewolf hunter with criminal contacts- he was either the town's vigilante or the mafia's hitman.
Given the game setup of wolves being the big danger, able to kill and are extremely powerful, their setup is likely two or three wolves who can all perform injuries or kills, depending on the moon.
The mafia, on the other hand, will likely have one killer, and various other roles. As such I'm assuming the pro-town cabal has some infiltrators, but I'm also assuming a lot of the unclaimed power roles are mafia. The townies will be more open about claiming than the mafia would, particularly if they've lost their killer.
I deduce that town has either lost its vigilante, or that it is choosing not to kill anyone. I also deduce that the remaining kills are being done by the werewolves alone, meaning one true killer and some supplemental "injury" roles which can stop other power roles from performing, possibly able to kill a wounded person, or can kill during a full moon.
I consider it most likely that the town and the mafia are both not killing right now, and it is in the best interests of any mafiosi remaining to cooperate with the town, because there is no other way of removing werewolves except by the lynch. Since the wolves are going to kill you off as well, you stand a better chance by siding with town for now, and just hoping we get picked off or go inactive. Make your choice.
Montmorency
06-15-2012, 02:40
The mafia, on the other hand, will likely have one killer,
Pretty sure the Mafia does not get a kill.
I deduce that town has either lost its vigilante,
Yeah, didn't we conclude that this was Visor?
I'm just confused about the lack of notice in the writeups. People have claimed injuries left and right since N1, but only on N1 did an injury appear in the writeup.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 02:42
Pretty sure the Mafia does not get a kill.
Where? I can't find that in the game setup anywhere.
Yeah, didn't we conclude that this was Visor?
Not sure how conclusive that conclusion is, or why we know he wasn't mafia.
I tracked you to BSmith's house last night. Therefore, your claim of vanilla townie is indeed false, you have an ability, and since you were the only visitor to BSmith's house, your power is one that can cause injury or death.
The time has now elapsed for you to plausibly claim town vigilante. I also expect that the mafia, while powerful, have no more killing roles. Hence, you are a werewolf, not town or mafia.
Welp, that's also a thing.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 02:49
Welp, that's also a thing.
Which thing? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GJOcvQpMu2A#t=64s)
Which thing? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GJOcvQpMu2A#t=64s)
Both things at the same time.
YYYYEEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!
:creep:
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 02:57
Both things at the same time.
YYYYEEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!
:creep:
So, listen mister Csar-wolf. Would you happen to be privy to informations which would lead to the identity of the evil criminal mafia, or are you content to just pick them off for us without our assistance?
Because we could give you a head start in eliminating them by pointing you in the correct direction, if you'd be so inclined, good sir Wolf.
That is, unless some scumbag wants to out themselves to me right now, thus making my decision who to side with a lot easier.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
dcmort93
06-15-2012, 03:00
Ya Unvote; Vote: Csargoedse you're off the hook for now but I'll keep you in mind as possible mafia. Also Vote the potion to ATPG
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 03:01
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
The potion will do nicely, for now.
Montmorency
06-15-2012, 03:05
Where? I can't find that in the game setup anywhere.
Not sure how conclusive that conclusion is, or why we know he wasn't mafia.
mafia: several guys. there are powerful individuals, with political and economical connections. They have their own dirty tricks (like roleblocking, influencing votes, etc.) but they cannot kill anyone directly
Ergo, he's town.
Pizza: Hey Mafia, side with us against the lupine killer(s).
Monty: Hey. that's what I -
Pizza: Wolves, kill the Mafia for us please.
:disappointed:
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 03:11
Pizza: Hey Mafia, side with us against the lupine killer(s).
Monty: Hey. that's what I -
Pizza: Wolves, kill the Mafia for us please.
:disappointed:
Is it too much to ask to hope for both? :angel:
I'll give a higher priority to the side that actually has the balls to admit it.
My name is Csargo and I have the balls!
atheotes
06-15-2012, 03:51
Vote: Csargo
All I can say is thank god for auto-correct on phones right now. I'll Vote:Csargo for now, as he is the trickstiest.
As mentioned earlier...
Robbiecon replaces Xehh II
Wasn't fully convinced with the whole back and forth, earlier during the night, but with both BSmith's post and ATPG spying corroborating the story, this seems quite a solid catch...
Kudos to Pizza for his gut instincts, Vote: Csargo
Vote: Csargo
And I'm trying to figure out how to figure out when people were injured, I can't find any instances of it in the write-ups.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 07:17
Speaking of injuries, if anyone out there is currently injured, I can connect you with someone with a healing potion.
Limited time offer, obviously if you wait too long the potion will be gone.
classical_hero
06-15-2012, 11:17
Unfortunately I am injured.
Kagemusha
06-15-2012, 14:04
How come i am the only one injured mentioned in the write ups?
robbiecon
06-15-2012, 14:15
Hi everyone, I'm back (again!).
I haven't fully caught up with everything, but I'll follow the lynch, and catch up before nightfall.
Vote: Csargo
classical_hero
06-15-2012, 16:57
How come i am the only one injured mentioned in the write ups?
Yeah it is a bit odd that you got mentioned but I didn't. Anyway vote:Csargo
How come i am the only one injured mentioned in the write ups?
Yeah it is a bit odd that you got mentioned but I didn't. Anyway vote:Csargo
Oops
sorry guys.
you can notice, that in first night description I mentioned about wounded characters.
Last night I forgot that I wanted all night attacks to be public info. I will add info about wounds to description (just one sentence, name of the role that was injured)
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2012, 21:06
Those voting Csargo-
Any suggestions for who to vote for tomorrow? Just because we nailed one, that doesn't mean we're done.
Those voting Csargo-
Any suggestions for who to vote for tomorrow? Just because we nailed one, that doesn't mean we're done.
I will be voting dcmort93, that's for sure.
dcmort93
06-16-2012, 04:28
I will be voting dcmort93, that's for sure.
Trust me pal that's a loosing battle
could someone do a tally for me? I am sitting at work today ~:(
... and then my country team plays at Euro 2012 ~:)
11 Csargo: edse, ATPG, wideyedwanderer, BSmith, dcmort93, atheotes, Memnon, Arjos, Choxorn, robbiecon, classical_hero
1 The King: Csargo
4 No Vote: The King, Cute Wolf, Kagemusha, God Emperor
Potion
3 ATPG: ATPG, wideyedwanderer, edse
Vote Potion to ATPG
Ibn-Khaldun
06-16-2012, 16:00
Vote: Abstain
Vote: potion to ATPG
robbiecon
06-16-2012, 16:55
głosować eliksir: zapytać faceta pizzy
Apologies if this is awful grammar, it was google translate that did the work.
It is awful ~:)
like 'me votes potion: asked partner of pizza'
google translator do not take care of gramma or words with two different meanings
and, thank you a lot, Edse
robbiecon
06-16-2012, 17:23
Ah, google translate, offering caveman equivalents of sentences:
I guess I'll just:
Vote: Potion to atpg instead!
Google Translate: So Easy, a Caveman could do it.
It is clear who will be lynched, so (because now I have few minutes of time) day ends.
Update would be here later.
For now:
Csargo has been killed! he was a Fruit merchant.
Potion of anti-werewolf protection goes to ATPG
night begins!
Askthepizzaguy
06-17-2012, 08:05
Fruit merchant? Right. He was selling Bsmith some fruit last night I guess.
BSmith, may I please have a banana?
Fruit merchant? Right. He was selling Bsmith some fruit last night I guess.
BSmith, may I please have a banana?
I can make you a smoothie if you'd like.
This week was… bloody, as could be expected from week of full moon. At first day, body of night watch captain was found, partially eaten. Second and third day… were peaceful, and fourth also. People started to believe that no more kills would happen during this week. But then, they found body of their deputy mayor, with head separated from the corpse.
Also, magic accessories merchant was attacked. But he survived thanks to a potion made of wolfsbane, that someone poured over his coat.
Robbiecon was a night watch captain.
Wideyedwanderer was a priest.
Town specialists gathered another bit of info: centurion1 and Autolycus were not werewolves
Day 7 begins
List of living players:
1.
2. Arjos
3.
4. Edse
5. Askthepizzaguy
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10. Atheotes
11. Cute Wolf
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17. Choxorn
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, healer, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6.
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6
Less than half of players are still alive!
Montmorency
06-17-2012, 21:19
Wanderer was a good man. What a rotten way to go.
God Emperor
06-17-2012, 21:21
Out of curiosity. As far as I understand, ATPG has shown not to be a werewolf?(correct?) , has he shown not to be mafia?
I have Arjos, atheotes, Memnon, dcmort93 and Choxorn on my list ATM. Arjos and Choxorn being the top candidates.
Vote: Choxorn
Am I reading wrong or there have been three attacks?
By cross reference with the other full moon, it's the same; what was Csargo then?
Vote: Cute Wolf has been semi-inactive, popping now and then to avoid replacement/WoG...
I think I'll Vote: GodEmperor, haven't seen much talk from him lately. Also, I'll Vote potion to: ATPG, as he did in a fact save someone.
dcmort93
06-18-2012, 00:35
Am I reading wrong or there have been three attacks?
By cross reference with the other full moon, it's the same; what was Csargo then?
Perhaps he is someone that could only injure, perhaps a wolf cub type thing or perhaps the mafia can not kill outright but maim/injure
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 08:05
2. Arjos
4. Edse
5. Askthepizzaguy
6. Bsmith
9. The King
10. Atheotes
11. Cute Wolf
12. Memnon
14. dcmort93
17. Choxorn
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
22. God Emperor
I would like to wait for reports from the borg collective before I proceed. There should have been some data on someone I suspect last night.
Please PM me if you have any leads.
However, in lieu of data, vote: God Emperor
More concerned about mafia than wolves; I suspect he's a wolf and his claim is bogus.
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 08:16
Based on data collected throughout the game, I believe I have solved it through process of elimination.
However, I expect there's a margin of error of at least 10 percent. So I will simply reveal my findings at the end of this phase.
classical_hero
06-18-2012, 09:30
I am getting scum vibrations from vote:God Emperor
LazyMcCrow
06-18-2012, 09:55
I am getting scum vibrations from vote:God Emperor
There are only mafia and werewolves left anyway - knock yourselves out.
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 09:56
There are only mafia and werewolves left anyway - knock yourselves out.
I sincerely doubt that.
classical_hero
06-18-2012, 15:26
There are only mafia and werewolves left anyway - knock yourselves out.
So there are 13 people left and you think everyone left is either mafia or werewolf? That is a rather large amount of scum for such a game.
LazyMcCrow
06-18-2012, 16:42
So there are 13 people left and you think everyone left is either mafia or werewolf? That is a rather large amount of scum for such a game.
At this point in proceedings there has been plenty of opportunity for recruitment. But don't take any notice of me. I'm still just grumbling about missing out on half of this game.
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 17:22
I got nothing. The potion took up my night action, I couldn't track bubkis last night. (Had to confirm with the game host I wasn't blocked or something)
God Emperor or atheotes are both looking mighty fine. How about not making this one a runaway? Maybe give the townie among them, if any, a chance to present a defense.
dcmort93
06-18-2012, 18:31
I'm going to go with the second candidate here and Vote: Atheotes as I've noticed a bit of scummy behavior from him recently
atheotes
06-18-2012, 19:04
God Emperor or atheotes are both looking mighty fine. How about not making this one a runaway? Maybe give the townie among them, if any, a chance to present a defense.
BS
I'm going to go with the second candidate here and Vote: Atheotes as I've noticed a bit of scummy behavior from him recently
Care to elaborate?
where is kage? i would like to hear from him.
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 19:16
Okay atheotes, since both you and Csargo seem to be ever so puzzled as to why I'd want to vote for you, of all people...
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 19:17
Vote: ATPG - Stop "spamming" - thats a good enough reason.
Reason number one: Oh, my god, you suck.
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2012, 19:41
Reason number two:
Survived a first round tie, during which round you were quite active and panicky. Since then, you've continued to survive, and your activity sharply decreased.
Being a lot more active and talkative while under pressure early, not contributing as much when not under pressure, reveals that your motivation is simply to survive, scum-hunting is not exactly your cup of tea. That might involve getting more attention on yourself than you want.
Then you started abstaining. You know how much that angries up my blood. And you did it over, and over again, for several rounds.
Then you hopped on to the silly Centurion wagon, offering nothing additional to the discussion.
Talk about playing to avoid risk. You must be ever so scared of death.
Vote:Abstain
Csargo's usual play. When he does this round one, he usually keeps his abstain. Why change it?
Unvote:Abstain, Vote:LazyMcCrow
This happens after several atheotes votes. No explanation.
This is the guy I caught giving BSmith bowling lessons the other night. He shows up to change his abstain to a vote, when atheotes is one of the lead candidates.
This is as characteristic of Csargo as me lurking or telling the truth.
Ibn-Khaldun
06-18-2012, 20:44
This is convincing..
Vote: atheotes
It truly is. Unvote: Vote: atheotes
God Emperor
06-18-2012, 23:13
However, in lieu of data, vote: God Emperor
More concerned about mafia than wolves; I suspect he's a wolf and his claim is bogus.
we both know that is an untrue statement. Asking whether you were confirmed non-werewolf can hardly be the same as more concerned with a specific faction.
I know I am/have been little active, but the general style that you seem to run in this game is not one that sits well with me.. The way that people bandwagon to right and left, imo, usually should tricker some scum hunting reaction in you.. This is based on what I believe I have observed about you in general, and to add further to that, whenever you seem fine with such behavior, you usually have a good reason to be fine with it. A good reason would for instance be not to have a town victory condition :)
Your style in this game simply just reminds me of pizza being mafia - style.
Edit: I guess this feeling is further added to, when you post things like 'well who do you think we should lynch next?' to whomever were bandwagoning a specific person.. This is just also something I believe you do, when you have an ill goal in mind.. The sort of 'reaching out to the town, helping them like their good peer' style, seems to fit some of your previous scum styles I believe
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 02:21
we both know that is an untrue statement. Asking whether you were confirmed non-werewolf can hardly be the same as more concerned with a specific faction.
Yeah, it is. God Emperor, pretty much the only thing you've contributed to this game is reminding people over and over and over again that I could still be mafia, I could still be mafia, I could still be mafia.
This is the plea of a man who is desperate to get someone lynched, that they cannot kill, who is trusted by the town. To a certain extent.
News flash: They all know I could still be mafia. It's just that my tracking skillz are handy at the moment. Maybe they'll lynch me next.
But you, good sir, are primarily concerned with one thing: Getting me lynched.
As such, I suspect you are simply a frustrated werewolf. Your vanilla claim in a sea of power roles also smacks me as hard to swallow. Just when the person who could have cleared you died last night.
I know I am/have been little active, but the general style that you seem to run in this game is not one that sits well with me.. The way that people bandwagon to right and left, imo, usually should tricker some scum hunting reaction in you..
BUZZZZZ
Incorrect. Check out the Capo games where I was scum-hunting. We'd discuss behind the scenes and then wagon, to remove the ability of mafia (or other mafia) from outvoting us.
The bandwagoning is due to there being a group of people who have been busy confirming each other. That's a specific case, as opposed to generalities. You aren't applying critical thinking, you're just smacking me for a non-reaction to stereotypical behavior in this situation.
Further, part of the case against atheotes was his lazy wagoning. There wasn't much of a discussion group on Centurion, but he got lynched by a guy who had abstained a bunch of times, then joined a wagon against Centurion with no further comment. This is scummy. And I have commented on it.
So you're selectively ignoring my actual behavior. Are you even reading this game?
This is based on what I believe I have observed about you in general, and to add further to that, whenever you seem fine with such behavior, you usually have a good reason to be fine with it. A good reason would for instance be not to have a town victory condition :)
See above, check and mate.
Your style in this game simply just reminds me of pizza being mafia - style.
Sure it does.
Edit: I guess this feeling is further added to, when you post things like 'well who do you think we should lynch next?' to whomever were bandwagoning a specific person.. This is just also something I believe you do, when you have an ill goal in mind.. The sort of 'reaching out to the town, helping them like their good peer' style, seems to fit some of your previous scum styles I believe
Your memory is pretty bad. I do this in every single game where there's a large bandwagon and I'm active that phase. I say "okay, he's dead... who else do we suspect" because I hate wasting time. This is common of me as town or mafia, because as mafia, I remember I do that all the time as town.
It's a null tell. But thanks for playing.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 02:47
God Emperor's contributions to this game:
Vote: Visorslash :beam4: Hello there potential scum
apparently I am not allowed to edit posts. Vote: visorslash
But I must vote visorslash the first round. There is no way around it
This can be counted as a single post or contribution, because it is largely the same thing, repeated, in a short time frame.
I'll count this as one contribution.
Meh... My vote on visorslash wasn't meant to move him towards an actual lynch! :( He is much too fun for that.
Unvote; Vote: Edse
Nonsense words.
4 posts on day one. This is a third of your total contribution to the game so far.
Wouldn't a distance vote make a lot more sense if I actually stayed on voting Visor ? I don't follow that reasoning, how does it make sense?
Appart from that, I just vote Visorslash the first round out of tradition :)
Defensive under no real pressure and one vote.
I agree with Kagemusha on this one.. Focus on ATPG is justified I believe, and so is a lynch.
Seeing Montmorency's statement however makes my stomach ache.. Unless I completely misunderstand what he is doing in this game, I think he should go Vote: Montmorency .. (Please tell me if I am way off and have missed something very important that should alter the vote)
Begins the jihad against Askthepizzaguy, by agreeing with Kagemusha. I love statements that start with "I agree with", because the first time you found me scummy, it was when someone else did. Makes it easier to float the idea of lynching me, since you won't be the sole responsible party.
Me too votes, followed by voting for Monty, followed by asking people to tell you whether or not your vote was bad.
Talk about not wanting to be blamed for your own votes.
Unless there are some specific rules about Masons in this game (I will have time to go through the rules again in an hour or so) then the Mason card is hardly any trust sign.
autolycus: hello again :) . I asked you the previous day phase to explain something regarding your reasoning, so please address that in your next post.
Alright! Gotta dash
Don't trust the claimed masons, Hi Autolycus, bye?
tsk guys.. I do not know ofc, whether the Ishmael votes are good or bad, but the last two votes on him aren't very impressive I think.
Unvote; Vote: ATPG. He is a decent lynch and what Kagemusha says is correct, and one should act on it.
Montmorency , I am not sayingi that you an anti-town Mason.. I can't naturally know your allignment, but I know that I do get bad vibes from your 'let's work with the mafia' post. And then I go on by saying, that I being Mason provides no reason for one to believe your innocence
I dunno guys, maybe Ishmael is good or bad to be lynched. I certainly wouldn't risk an opinion.
Also, let's lynch Pizza because Kage says so.
This is the second time you've cited Kagemusha as a reason for voting me. Now that Kagemusha has dropped off the anti-Pizza wagon, you're the sole remaining champion.
You keep saying that Kagemusha had a point and that I was a decent lynch. Do you even remember what Kagemusha's case against me was? Or if there was one?
The God Emperor I remember knows how to think using his own words.
changing vote in a tie on day 1 equals crazy voting patterns Choxorn? Or do you just come up with some excuse for bandwagoning?
"You bandwagoned" followed by no vote.
What's worse, GE.... bandwagoning or sitting on the sidelines with a thumb betwixt the glutes?
Tally
Centurion (5): wideyedwanderer, Dcmort, Arjos, Kagemusha, Autolycus
LazyMcCrow (5): BSmith, Memnon, Choxorn, ATPG, The King
Csargo: Edse
Montmorency: Centurion
Dcmort: LazyMcCrow
The King: Csargo
Abstain: Atheotes
Not voting: Cute wolf, God Emperor, Xeh II, Classical Hero
Tally for water
Kagemusha (4): Atheotes, Memnon, Csargo, wideyedwanderer
Csargo: Edse
LazyMcCrow: LazyMcCrow
Autolycus: Autolycus
Tally for poison
Kagemusha (4): Csargo, Autolycus, The King, Atheotes
Edse (2): Edse, wideyedwanderer
Memnon: Memnon
Inactive people that round: Inactive person, Inactive person, Classical Hero, and God Emperor who wasn't actually INACTIVE.
You can't tell people they're bad for bandwagoning when there wasn't even a large bandwagon. There was a 5 vote wagon versus a five vote wagon.
I swear, it's like being a werewolf makes you forget your entire surroundings.
You're literally just making stuff up and tossing doubt at people, but not trying to hunt for scum in the slightest.
Sorry that I have been away for a little while.. I'm back again though..
I guess I should just give up on questioning Autolycus since I won't ever get a reply! :stare:
Who gets promptly murder-fied.
Now here's the rich, rich, rich kicker.
there seems to be some truth behind this observation.
Vote: Centurion1
Or do you just come up with some excuse for bandwagoning?
Apparently not. You joined the wagon on Centurion1, after chastising others for doing so.
And this one was an actual bandwagon, with no rival lynchee.
Out of curiosity. As far as I understand, ATPG has shown not to be a werewolf?(correct?) , has he shown not to be mafia?
Gosh, don't forget that Pizza could still be mafia, guys! :sweatdrop:
And no vote to back it up. There's the kicker.
God Emperor, if you actually thought I was scum, you'd vote for me. Unless you were scum.
Now, allow me to break it down for the folks who hate walls of words.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 03:02
So let's express in mathematical terms what you've done this game.
1) Lynch Visor
2) Lynch Visor
3) Lynch Visor
4) Don't lynch Visor
This is 1/3 of your contribution, and on day one.
5) I wasn't distancing myself from Visor, only person voting for me. Heavens no! For real and for true.
6) I agree with Kage, kill Pizza. Vote: claimed Mason.
7) Don't trust the masons.
8) I agree with Kage, kill Pizza. Vote: Pizza
This is the 2/3 of your contribution. Masons are bad, Pizza is bad, I'm not distancing.
9) Bandwagons are bad, choxorn. Your vote for Centurion1 in what is actually not a bandwagon is scummy.
10) Sorry I've been away. I guess I'll never get a response from that guy that gets murdered! Angry stare!
11) Allow me to bandwagon Centurion1 in an actual bandwagon, completely oblivious to my previous statements about how scummy such behavior is.
12) Hey! Pizza could still be mafia, if not a wolf! Don't forget about Pizza, you guys!
This is the final third.
Your first third is basically contradictory and meaningless. You express three times that you want to lynch Visor, and when the time comes, you switch. Whatever. Not saying that's scummy, just saying you were putting on a show and getting absolutely nowhere. Possibly avoiding blame for Visor's death, a sign of being guilty.
One quarter of your contributions are as follows:
Let's listen to Kagemusha and lynch Pizza,
Let's listen to Kagemusha and lynch Pizza,
Hey where did everyone go? Just because he's not a werewolf, we could still lynch Pizza. Anyone? Anyone? Me sad now.
Twice you expressed misgivings about the masons.
Then you expressed misgivings about bandwagoning in a situation that wasn't, and joined a real, actual wagon later.
Finally, you're after me for not being more against the folks who bandwagoned. After me again, I should say.
And from my vantage point, here's the people you've accused or smudged all game.
Visorslash three times, only to renege at the last moment, when it mattered. Odd.
Kill Pizza
Don't trust the masons.
Autolycus needs attention.
Centurion1 is a good wagon, even though I smudged choxorn for not really wagoning him earlier.
So, Visorslash who would have been the town vigilante, which you sidestepped blame for by unvoting him.
Pizzaguy, who is definitely not a werewolf but COULD STILL BE MAFIA, YOU GAIS
The Masons. Frightening folks, they.
Autolycus, the meat that the werewolves are still chewing on.
Centurion1 the not guilty victim of a nonsense wagon.
And choxorn for not wagoning. And I have info about choxorn which suggests he's hardly a wolf as well.
That's quite the collection of werewolves you've accused, God Emprah.
As a matter of fact, you've said the word "Mafia" how many times?
I've counted three.
And you've said the word "wolf" how many times?
Twice, and both times in reference to me "Not being" a wolf, but possibly being mafia.
Never once have you actually accused someone of being a wolf. You have, however, specifically accused people of being mafia.
God Emperor, you're not a townie, and you're going to die.
dcmort93
06-19-2012, 03:06
damn... that is all
atheotes
06-19-2012, 07:04
Reason number two:
Survived a first round tie, during which round you were quite active and panicky. Since then, you've continued to survive, and your activity sharply decreased.
Being a lot more active and talkative while under pressure early, not contributing as much when not under pressure, reveals that your motivation is simply to survive, scum-hunting is not exactly your cup of tea. That might involve getting more attention on yourself than you want.
Then you started abstaining. You know how much that angries up my blood. And you did it over, and over again, for several rounds.
Then you hopped on to the silly Centurion wagon, offering nothing additional to the discussion.
Talk about playing to avoid risk. You must be ever so scared of death.
The first round - the game was still interesting for me and i did what a townie should do. In a game with so many power roles and much of the activity happening behind scenes, for someone with now power or knowledge of what is happeining, it is very difficult to maintain interest. I am sure i am not the only one who feels this way. I removed my vote on Monty after i was convinced he was not guilty and abstained. then I abstained when there were already enough votes on the Centurion wagon and i did not see any reason to change it. that is all. I dont see how it is "And you did it over, and over again, for several rounds"
I hopped on the Centurion wagon when Kage wanted the lynch. I have publicly backed Kage and had also revealed to him when Monty had asked in the thread.
Csargo's usual play. When he does this round one, he usually keeps his abstain. Why change it?.
This happens after several atheotes votes. No explanation.
This is the guy I caught giving BSmith bowling lessons the other night. He shows up to change his abstain to a vote, when atheotes is one of the lead candidates.
This is as characteristic of Csargo as me lurking or telling the truth
Is this a case against me? lol. Tally after Csargo's vote
Could someone check the tally for me?
Atheotes:4 (Ishmael, ATPG, Visorslash, DaveShack, )
ATPG: 3 (Chaotix, Atheotes, Salmonsoil)
Visorslash: 3 ( God Emperor, Double A, Montmorency )
Montmorency: 2 (The King, LazyMcCrow)
edse: 2 (BSmith, Choxorn, )
Lazy McCrow: 1 (Csargo )
Xenoneb: 1 (classical hero,)
SalmonSoil: 1 (edse,)
Xehh II: 1 (Arjos,)
The King: 1 (dcmort93)
Daveshack: 1 (Memnon,)
Autolycus: 1 (wideyedwanderer,)
Abstain: Xenoneb, Cute Wolf
so my partner decided to leave me as the lynch candidate and changed his vote to someone who did not have a single vote on them.
all those voting for me...it is laughable how you all see a huge wall of text, and follow like sheep. or perhaps you are happy to follow because you know the case is BS but it is making your victory easier.
Reason number one: Oh, my god, you suck.
Cant help it. :laugh4: I cant remember the last time you read me correctly. the last time you did a wall of text about my behavior, you were telling people i was a townie and in reality i was mafia. Well, you are misguided again. Either that or you are mafia. it is 50:50 really, even if Csargo turns up as a werewolf.
there...i have done what i should do as a townie. Not holding my breath for vote changes.
atheotes
06-19-2012, 07:11
Vote: ATPG - since you are misguiding the town - i think it might be on purpose.
God Emperor
06-19-2012, 07:34
[U]
God Emperor, you're not a townie, and you're going to die.
even with your imitation of my posts, written to belittle them, I find your arguments a bit half digested.. As far as I know, there has not been lynched any anti town (correct me if I am wrong ofc), and if so, it is not a big surprise that any time anyone has cast a vote in this game, and the person would be lynched, it has been a town.. Given this statement, it seems strange to me, to use that against me, for is it then an argument against anyone who has voted?
I see that the 3-2 mafia-werewolf accusation is a big one :p .. Truth is though, that you are right, my contribution to this game has been small.. pointing out that masons are not through the mason role, automatically town, is however a correct statement, and seems a bit misguided to use that against me.. If I remember correctly, I never voted for any mason, for being mason.
I do not vote you = scum. From a more general perspective, I would agree with such line of thinking, however the case is that I would not be surprised if you are right about the lynch of Atheos.. If so, then trying to create (though obviously in vain) a counter wagon, (or joining the existing) seems fairly pointless.
However truth is that I don't mind dying in this game.. I am perfectly fine with going down as I say my opinion about your role, if that might move towards your lynch in the end..
On a side note, I would also take a further at the King (just gut feeling, nothing more)
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 07:40
so my partner decided to leave me as the lynch candidate and changed his vote to someone who did not have a single vote on them.
Yes. Your being under pressure prompts the reaction, the reaction designed to avoid drawing a link between you- offering another alternative to the main lynch candidates. You and Csargo both did the same thing, when I pointed out the timing of his sudden not abstaining.
The automatic response is basically "But if he were my mafia partner, he would have done X".
Because mafia never do something which is designed to defy the obvious? Certainly not experienced veterans like Csargo or atheotes, playing against an analyst player. The key to this move is if anyone suggests that you are partners you can point back to this moment and say hey, if we were scum this would be different.
Never in a mafia game would the mafia behave in a way that is not expected! Certainly such behavior is an illegal move?
atheotes
06-19-2012, 07:55
ok. that argument would hold water only if there are other things connecting me and Csargo. otherwise the case can be made against literally anyone.
In fact, i think as case like that is stronger for connection with "near-lead" candidates than the lead candidate.
God Emperor
06-19-2012, 07:59
There also seemed to be a few other points that should be addressed :)
1) the visor vote, your standard mocking imitation: My vote in visor would have been there, even if I were scum, and would have changed in just the same manner. As I express, I have done so many times before, so it is a simple gesture/nod to Visor giving him a vote in the first round. But then, I see that you take such things, and use them, for what matters exogenous factors such as this, when it seems so pretty to add it to the list of 'overly scummy behavior'.
I don't think I have said, ever, that bandwagoning is scummy.. However questioning peoples votings seems like a reasonable thing to do, but according to your accusation you would rather have me simply cast a vote on choxorn rather than ask him to clarify his position? I don't agree with such style..
So I believe the statement about bandwagons to be untrue.
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'smudged' ^^ , I am sorry, but if anything, such use of words are extremely manipulative. Accusing people is a large part of the game, and not a sign of ill behavior.
--
I have talked about the voting in previous post, so the last point appears to be
'Never once have you actually accused someone of being a wolf. You have, however, specifically accused people of being mafia.' , which again is an untrue statement. I asked whether you had been cleared for being mafia, and whether I was correct in my understanding (as I obviously have not been paying full attention to the game) , that you could not be a werewolf? That is hardly the same as being pro werewolf pizza :p you know these things..
With these kind of half digested truths combined with false statements, just makes you appear, in my eyes, as a person who is more eager to create a counter accusation rather than considering the validity of the statements you spew out.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 08:13
In fact, i think as case like that is stronger for connection with "near-lead" candidates than the lead candidate.
Who? Me, Monty, Visor, for example?
Visor be dead and not a werewolf-
Monty be dead and not a werewolf-
I certainly be not a werewolf. At least, it will be difficult to convince me otherwise, but you're welcome to try.
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 08:18
On a side note, I would also take a further at the King (just gut feeling, nothing more)
The gentleman that Csargo accused, just before he died- proposed as a counter to his own lynch?
Askthepizzaguy
06-19-2012, 08:23
I know that whenever I'm caught as scum, I like to try to kill one of my own partners before I go.
I call this the Bet You Didn't See That Coming maneuver. It doesn't usually result in success, but man, does it mess with people's heads.
atheotes
06-19-2012, 08:36
Who? Me, Monty, Visor, for example?
Visor be dead and not a werewolf-
Monty be dead and not a werewolf-
I certainly be not a werewolf. At least, it will be difficult to convince me otherwise, but you're welcome to try.
that was a general statement to the nature of your accusation...i was not talking about this game.
And, why did you not respond to the more serious qn in that post? Show the alleged connection between me and Csargo.
Maybe someone is in tally-making mood?
Tally, I hope:
Atheotes (5): Dcmort, BSmith, Choxorn, The King, Edse
God Emperor (3): Memnon, ATPG, Classical Hero,
Cute Wolf: Arjos
ATPG: Atheotes
Not voting: rest of players
Sorry I do not have time now for any description :(
Atheotes was lynched. He was a blacksmith's guild master.
Night 7 begins.
I certainly be not a werewolf. At least, it will be difficult to convince me otherwise, but you're welcome to try.
I used my Night Negative One All-Seeing-True-Scan-Of-Jesus power to determine that you're so scummy, you don't even know you're scummy.
Askthepizzaguy
06-20-2012, 06:34
Well the answer to that is simple. It was a negative scan, therefore it's inverted. I'm not a wolf.
Thank you. :bow:
Scouts leader was returning to the town from his last escapade, when he saw interesting track. It looked like a moose trail! And a moose was never seen on the island where scout leader spent all his poor, miserable life.
How does he know how moose trail looks alike? Well, this is one of those unsolvable mysteries. Especially because at the same time when he was tracking a moose, someone (or rather something) else tracked him.
The blow was so fast, that he never noticed it.
ATPG was a scouts leader
City watch marshal was patrolling the streets when something hit him in the head. Again.
Exactly like the next time, he wake up few hours later, with a terrible headache. And with a lot of blood in his hairs. He never knew what (or who) attacked him, and why he survived. But his head was hurting so much, that he would rather die than suffer it for a third time.
Also, there is interesting bit of info: Csargo was a werewolf! Robbiecon was not.
Day 8 begins.
List of living players:
1.
2. Arjos
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11. Cute Wolf
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17. Choxorn
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7
Montmorency
06-20-2012, 21:08
Took them long enough. We are still strong, though.
Don't we get an autopsy, Jarema? Thumbs up.
Took them long enough. We are still strong, though.
Don't we get an autopsy, Jarema?
Post updated. My fault that I write the post in parts...
Hurray!! So we got a werewolf after all. Now to review the posts!
I think I'll leave that to the more paran...er attentive among us.
Csargos lynch
11 Csargo: edse, ATPG, wideyedwanderer, BSmith, dcmort93, atheotes, Memnon, Arjos, Choxorn, robbiecon, classical_hero
1 The King: Csargo
1 Abstain: The King
3 No Vote: Cute Wolf, Kagemusha, God Emperor
The King is the only one standing out.
dcmort93
06-20-2012, 22:45
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some wolves on that wagon. In past games where its been a hopeless lynch on a team mate, there are generally some fellow scum on the lynch so that it makes them look a bit more innocent. I personally find it rather interesting that Kage got rather quiet arounf the time of the csargos lynch, but that may be just due to rl complications. For now I'll Vote: God Emperor due to your abstention on the csargos lynch and due to some suspicions express by ATPG
God Emperor
06-20-2012, 23:13
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some wolves on that wagon. In past games where its been a hopeless lynch on a team mate, there are generally some fellow scum on the lynch so that it makes them look a bit more innocent. I personally find it rather interesting that Kage got rather quiet arounf the time of the csargos lynch, but that may be just due to rl complications. For now I'll Vote: God Emperor due to your abstention on the csargos lynch and due to some suspicions express by ATPG
I will get some rest in a second, but I believe I addressed every point ATPG was trying to make.
At any rate, for what it is worth, I guess I will tomorrow try and go through the game, looking at csargo connections (or general connections) seeing how we are not that many players left.
Askthepizzaguy
06-21-2012, 04:42
It was expected that I would be attacked or killed last night. We saw that coming. Someone here knows who a werewolf is.
Please share the message so we can kill my killer.
Askthepizzaguy
06-21-2012, 05:07
In other news, I'm not feeling the God Emperor lynch.
classical_hero
06-21-2012, 07:41
vote:Arjos From the looks of it, Csargo was bussed so there are plenty of people who are wolves and mafia. And yet again I am wounded, so someone is targeting me, so if I can get healed that would be great.
Vote: Cute Wolf
I keep my vote on lurkers for now, but seems like Pizza's network got another important piece of information, so I'm waiting for that...
I will Vote: Choxorn. New information has come to light.
dcmort93
06-21-2012, 18:11
I will Vote: Choxorn. New information has come to light.
Care to share this information and where it came from?
Askthepizzaguy
06-21-2012, 21:30
How amusing. So choxy, what were you really up to last night? :laugh4:
I assure you, I did not need your gentle ministrations. I would have thought others would have taken precedence...
vote: Choxorn. I'm not really seeing a reason not to at this point.
Oh, I get it. You told me to heal someone, and now they're not healed, and now you're all voting for me?
Well, I can honestly say I tried to heal them, and for some reason it didn't work. I got a message saying I need more "favorable conditions" or something like that. I really have no idea what that means, or why my healing ability didn't work, but that's what I was doing.
Montmorency
06-21-2012, 22:29
A healer and a herbalist have died so far.
some roles are doubled at this game (the are two characters with exactly the same role). Some others are almost doubled (two characters with very similar roles...
(The lynch) seems legitimate.
God Emperor
06-22-2012, 00:10
there seems to be a lot of off thread communication going on? at any rate, from what I can gather from choxorns last post, his lynch seems like a fair idea.
Vote: Choxorn
dcmort93
06-22-2012, 00:12
I still want to know where this info that choxorn is guilty is coming from?
Kagemusha
06-22-2012, 04:24
vote:choxorn
A healer and a herbalist have died so far.
(The lynch) seems legitimate.
Well, I'm a healer. Maybe Autolycus and I have doubled roles, and Salmon has nothing to do with either one of us?
dcmort, the info that I'm guilty comes from a misunderstanding related to behind-the-scenes stuff. I really did try to heal the person I was told to heal last night, and it didn't work. I can't explain why that happened, because I just don't know. It did work the other time I used it, and I have no idea what "favorable conditions" I didn't have this time.
dcmort93
06-22-2012, 05:20
It did work the other time I used it, and I have no idea what "favorable conditions" I didn't have this time.
Who were you trying to heal? Perhaps they were being targeted by someone else and as such you were unable to heal them because of it?
A healer and a herbalist have died so far.
ooops ooops ooops
my mistake. TWO herbalists have died so far :(
Autolycus and Salmonsoil were herbalists.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 07:09
Jarema, under the circumstances, could you please review the results of night actions you sent out to all players, particularly the ones involving the current lynchee, and extend the phase by 24 hours.
If there is a host-related error, the players have a right to know- if the night actions are confirmed, then we have a right to know that as well.
atheotes
06-22-2012, 07:12
The game is being played entirely behind the scenes ~:mecry:
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 07:29
I know. This is what eventually happens in massively power-role oriented games. Unless private communications are banned, it only makes sense to share information privately and cooperate.
This is really a different category game from "Mafia". We should split it up into at least three groups, maybe a couple sub-groups. I'll give them ice cream names.
Vanilla- A game with no power roles, just town and mafia goons.
Vanilla with sprinkles- A game with very few differences from true vanilla, such as adding 1 detective and 1 godfather role, but nothing else.
Mocha- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Chocolate- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are not banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae- A game where there are no vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae with a Cherry on top- The same, private communications are allowed.
If we advertised our games as conforming to these guidelines, it would help certain vanilla lovers, and certain chocolate lovers, find their groove.
Jarema, under the circumstances, could you please review the results of night actions you sent out to all players, particularly the ones involving the current lynchee [...] if the night actions are confirmed, then we have a right to know that as well.
Every night action is confirmed.
My only mistake was that I named Autolycus 'healer' at the list of dead characters, while in fact he was a HERBALIST. It has no influence on results of night actions. I will not tell anyone besides involved players what the results of night actions were, but I checked them and everything is as it should be.
extend the phase by 24 hours.
On the other hand, my mistake might influenced votes today. So, in order to give players a chance to change their votes if they want, day is extended by 24 hours.
@ ATPG
I actually think there is nothing wrong with your case on GE. While I agree that there are other targets you may head towards today, GE is a fine target.
classical_hero
06-22-2012, 08:00
So that means Choxorn is not necessarily guilty.
I'm confused by what's going on tbh...
LazyMcCrow
06-22-2012, 11:50
I know. This is what eventually happens in massively power-role oriented games. Unless private communications are banned, it only makes sense to share information privately and cooperate.
This is really a different category game from "Mafia". We should split it up into at least three groups, maybe a couple sub-groups. I'll give them ice cream names.
Vanilla- A game with no power roles, just town and mafia goons.
Vanilla with sprinkles- A game with very few differences from true vanilla, such as adding 1 detective and 1 godfather role, but nothing else.
Mocha- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Chocolate- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are not banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae- A game where there are no vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae with a Cherry on top- The same, private communications are allowed.
If we advertised our games as conforming to these guidelines, it would help certain vanilla lovers, and certain chocolate lovers, find their groove.
Meh. I heartily laud your suggestion, but I can never go along with those categories. ;P
classical_hero
06-22-2012, 18:05
I'm confused by what's going on tbh...
Considering the hosts mistake, I think it wil be best to get off the Choxorn vote for the moment and try other suscpets.
unvote. Do we know if anyone else visited ATPG last night?
What I don't get about the whole Choxorn thing is that he supposedly visited ATPG (I think that is what happened, right?). If he was supposed to be healing someone else then why would he have been seen with ATPG?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 19:07
unvote. Do we know if anyone else visited ATPG last night?
What I don't get about the whole Choxorn thing is that he supposedly visited ATPG (I think that is what happened, right?). If he was supposed to be healing someone else then why would he have been seen with ATPG?
Bingo.
Choxorn has no motive to heal me as
1) There were others that needed to be healed
2) I was not injured
Why choxorn didn't loudly protest that the source of the case against him was a lying scumbag, I will never know. But choxorn needs to die and swiftly if he's admitting to have visited me last night.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 19:08
Visorslash
I'm not saying it's impossible GE is guilty, just that Pizza had deemed it improbable.
Sadly. Would have been nice to have been right.
I did NOT visit ATPG last night, and didn't protest it because you were the only one who seemed to insinuate that I did visit you, ATPG, and I wasn't even completely sure of that. All I could see was that I was being accused of not doing what you asked me to.
I scanned edse with my ability that lets me see if someone is injured, and healed Kagemusha (or rather, tried to heal Kagemusha and failed).
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 19:50
Then its very clear that either you, or your direct accuser, are guilty.
As such, we should remove you both. And since you failed to heal someone without explanation, I buy your accuser's story more than yours.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 19:53
Also the ability to scan for people who are injured seems redundant when the people who are injured can simply say they're injured.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2012, 19:56
Tell you what though. I do think the person who watched you should reveal here in this thread to prove that he stands behind his results. Should choxorn flip not wolf, then his accuser must hang.
Do the right thing and reveal, kind sir.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, I am the Butcher's Guild Master, gifted with curiosity and a very small amount of bravery. My ability is to watch a selected player on certain nights. Last night I watched Pizza to see his attacker, the report told me that I saw Pizza, then ran away "for fear of my own life", and saw someone who looked like Choxorn in my flight. That is all.
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Askthepizzaguy
06-23-2012, 01:14
I have no idea why Choxorn would have been seen near me last night if, by his own admission, he was elsewhere.
Further, I have a problem: How do you track someone capable of being in two places at once? Example; scanning edse while "healing" Kagemusha.
If I were to track Choxorn, where would I end up? At edse's house, or Kagemusha's? The mechanics of choxorn's role must be interesting to say the least.
Regardless, there's the accusation, there's the accuser, death is guaranteed for at least one wolf.
By the way, wolves- Mwa ha ha.
Well, good sir, either you're lying, or someone is messing with your scan. It could be the latter- something messed up my healing ability, after all, and your ability says you saw someone that looked like me, not necessarily me.
But you could be lying.
Supporting the "You're Lying" theory: You're not making this entirely clear: Does your ability let you see who someone targeted or does it lets you see who someone is targeted by? And, reaking of PIS, you say "I watched Pizza to see his attacker," implying you knew in advance that Pizza was going to be attacked.
So, Vote: Memnon.
dcmort93
06-23-2012, 06:34
And, reaking of PIS, you say "I watched Pizza to see his attacker," implying you knew in advance that Pizza was going to be attacked.
I think that the reason memnon was watching pizza is because pizza asked him to due to the high probability that he would get attacked, especially after getting at least one if not multiple wolves lynched ergo, he was seen as a threat. Also a question for the GM, will we get a notification as to when a faction is eliminated ie. if all the mafia are gone will you let us know?
I think that the reason memnon was watching pizza is because pizza asked him to due to the high probability that he would get attacked, especially after getting at least one if not multiple wolves lynched ergo, he was seen as a threat. Also a question for the GM, will we get a notification as to when a faction is eliminated ie. if all the mafia are gone will you let us know?
Yes, you are correct in that, Pizza contacted me about watching him. Also the watching, at least from what I've observed, appears to only give me some information on actions against that person. And a rather vague description of events at that.
I've seen some things man...
Askthepizzaguy
06-23-2012, 06:56
If you have a Watcher in a game, and you play it right, you're almost guaranteed to nail scum with it. It's hard to predict who the scums are, but sometimes it's easy to tell who is about to be murdered.
wideyedwanderer
06-23-2012, 09:20
The game is being played entirely behind the scenes ~:mecry:
This is why I personally prefer games where private communication is banned, and why I use the "Hot Fudge Sunday" classification in games I host. Nevertheless, this game has been fun.
I know. This is what eventually happens in massively power-role oriented games. Unless private communications are banned, it only makes sense to share information privately and cooperate.
This is really a different category game from "Mafia". We should split it up into at least three groups, maybe a couple sub-groups. I'll give them ice cream names.
Vanilla- A game with no power roles, just town and mafia goons.
Vanilla with sprinkles- A game with very few differences from true vanilla, such as adding 1 detective and 1 godfather role, but nothing else.
Mocha- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Chocolate- A game where there are several power roles, but many vanilla roles, private communications are not banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae- A game where there are no vanilla roles, private communications are banned.
Hot Fudge Sundae with a Cherry on top- The same, private communications are allowed.
If we advertised our games as conforming to these guidelines, it would help certain vanilla lovers, and certain chocolate lovers, find their groove.
Those classifications are entertaining.
Tally (I hope, accurate):
Choxorn: Edse, Memnon, God Emperor, Kagemusha,
God Emperor: Dcmort93,
Arjos: Classical Hero
Cute Wolf: Arjos
Memnon: Choxorn
Ibn-Khaldun
06-23-2012, 19:13
Vote: God Emperor
Well, maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and something really did just screw both of us up, Memnon.
Out of self-preservation, I Unvote, Vote: God Emperor
Tally:
Choxorn: Edse, Memnon, God Emperor, Kagemusha,
God Emperor: Dcmort93, The King, Choxorn,
Arjos: Classical Hero
Cute Wolf: Arjos
At the end of holy day, council members decided that Choxorn should die. He stood in the midst of crowd, almost without a move. ‘You are mistaken. I was not even close to the place when ATPG’s body was found’ he said. But it did not helped him, and he died as many before him
Choxorn was a healer
While peopled went to their homes, one did not move. Jarema came close to him and whispered: ‘Cute one… cute one… why are you so silent? Well. You have been silent for many, many days, so this is nothing new. But tell me, cute one… why are you keeping so still? Well… You were not doing much during few last weeks, were you? So it is also not surprising. But tell me, cute one, why your body is so cold? And why your heart is not beating?
Cute Wolf was a deputy mayor. He was WoG-ed
Night 8 begins
List of living players:
1.
2. Arjos
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8
Be warned: there are less than 10 players. So, from now, days will last 24 hours.
Montmorency
06-23-2012, 22:23
Well, Pizza, it takes guts to kill an innocent man.
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2012, 09:06
Well, Pizza, it takes guts to kill an innocent man.
All I did was push for something that the town's own network should have been pushing on their own. Who watches someone who dies, sees one person there, and doesn't conclude the person they saw is guilty?
If he flips innocent, blame the scanner. Choxorn wasn't even on my suspect list.
atheotes
06-24-2012, 14:51
Well, Pizza, it takes guts to kill an innocent man.
I guess you are talking about me....on that note, shouldnt we have some new autopsy results?
It would be nice if it turns out you guys killed me based on misinformation by someone in the townie network rather than Pizza's misguided analysis.
Montmorency
06-24-2012, 15:33
Or, you know, that Choxorn character here.
But it's common: Pizza's coup with Csargo made him overconfident. It happens to the best of us.
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2012, 17:00
Maybe wait until game is over before dissin my skills.
Montmorency
06-24-2012, 17:06
Oh Pizza, my wording is more careful than that!
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2012, 17:17
Oh Pizza, my wording is more careful than that!
There hasn't been a move I've made so far that has not benefited me. As such, all this Pizza is overconfident / misguided / otherwise bad commentary is pretty lol-worthy. Frankly, the overconfident parties are getting the pasting they deserve.
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2012, 17:24
Did that sound scummy? D'aww shucks. I cannot contain myself.
Not sure if Pizza is scummy, or this is just Pizza being Pizza.
Night 8 ended.
No bodies were found.
There is some new info for town inhabitants:
Choxorn was not mafia member
I also should inform you before that wideyedwanderer was not a werewolf, buut apparently I forget.
Day 9 begins
List of living players:
1.
2. Arjos
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8. No criminal contacts.
Arjos
edse
BSmith
The King
Memnon
dcmort93
Kagemusha
classical hero
God Emperor
How many of you are left from the town group that you tried to form? There are three people I regard as innocent at this point. Memnon is unclear. He caused Choxorn's death but the fact that he stepped forward makes him less suspected.
Vote: Arjos for now.
dcmort93
06-24-2012, 23:20
There are three people I regard as innocent at this point.
And those three would be?
And those three would be?
I don't want to give their names up as it would potentially lead to their death.
Montmorency
06-25-2012, 01:44
You think there's a wolf out there?
dcmort93
06-25-2012, 01:57
My guess is there is a third wolf out there. On the other hand I do believe it could be possible that all of the mafia are gone
Ibn-Khaldun
06-25-2012, 06:45
How many of those alive were attacked by beasts/creatures? They may have changed into werewolves.
God Emperor
06-25-2012, 07:13
How many of those alive were attacked by beasts/creatures? They may have changed into werewolves.
PIS ? :) it is not a suggestion that seems all unlikely given the fact that it would appear the two scum teams work differently. E.G there are werewolf hunter(s), werewolves work differently when there is a full moon.
For now , Vote: The King
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 08:03
My guess is there is a third wolf out there. On the other hand I do believe it could be possible that all of the mafia are gone
There's another wolf. ~:pimp:
Collect all data from last night, then proceed, my friend. My suspicion is on Arjos.
Still don't know what to make of Choxorn, both his claim and the reveal match, but at the same time by his own admission he couldn't heal :S
TK's post feels like due to some private knowledge and he didn't vote for Csargo, but by comparing the two full moons we had, there still were the same n° of attacks, though the last one should've had one less wolf, so gah...
At this point I think that either there have been "conversions" or that there's something else we don't know about the attack mechanics and some of the targets might even be wolves building alibis...
Vote: Kagemusha
Right now Choxorn looks very innocent, so since he couldn't heal Kage, maybe Csargo's death sorta activated some conversion on him...
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 13:16
By what reasoning do you conclude Choxorn was innocent?
The charge was being a wolf, him flipping not mafia doesn't clear him of that.
And if you think Choxorn is innocent, the correct vote would then be Memnon for lying. I don't follow your vote on kagemusha at all.
Right now as you said we can't be certain of Choxorn (but we do have a match in claim and reveal) and at the same time as edse said Memnon exposing himself seems very townie like.
Also it's a lock on his lynch soon as we get 100% confirmation (atm with you dead, I'm not that confident on risking to lose another scout/spy)...
So if Choxorn was town, we have to inquiry on Kage's status (who btw didn't vote Csargo too and instead popped up to follow Memnon's accusation) and lynch Memnon; but if he was a wolf, then by looking at the tallies, we have TK standing out since he didn't vote for Csargo nor Choxorn...
Tally:
Arjos: Edse
The King: God Emperor
Kagemusha: Arjos
Remember, day is ending quite soon.
@ Arjos, please do not edit your posts
@ Arjos, please do not edit your posts
Huh? There wasn't any vote and I forgot to write down all my reasoning...
Next time I'll double post then, sorry...
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 13:48
Right now as you said we can't be certain of Choxorn (but we do have a match in claim and reveal) and at the same time as edse said Memnon exposing himself seems very townie like.
I have two issues with that.
Choxorn hasn't been properly revealed yet. Csargo did not flip "wolf" he flipped "fruit merchant", and remained as such until the skilled whoevers revealed his true nature. As if you needed skilled whoevers to verify what I already told yall about him wounding the BS man.
Second, if Choxorn is townie, Memnon could have simply been lying to get the town healer dead. And he had to be prodded by me to even reveal who my supposed attacker was, whereas if all is on the up and up, I'm not sure why I would have needed to do that, particularly given how many folks are left alive and how large the odds of him dying randomly if he's a true town watcher role are anyway.
There's something slippery about the hesitation to point fingers. Especially since I already took down a wolf. You'd think townies would be tripping over themselves to nail a second one, with an almost-certain guilty result like that. However, we simply need to see how choxorn flips to decide Memmy's fate. His move is either townie and productive, wolf-catching even, or it's the scummiest move made all game. There's nothing in between.
As for the rest of your comment, the King in particular is a pretty bad suspect for wolf, given how the wolves have acted toward him. Csargo wanting him dead, for example, as an alternative to his own lynch. His non-reaction to either wolf suspects' death implies that he doesn't know how either one would flip in advance, which indicates townie rather than scum.
Csargo did not flip "wolf" he flipped "fruit merchant", and remained as such until the skilled whoevers revealed his true nature.
Aye, but healer seems too much for a cover role...
Memnon could have simply been lying to get the town healer dead.
Especially since I already took down a wolf. You'd think townies would be tripping over themselves to nail a second one
Frankly with the same n° of attackers in the second full moon, I still had doubts whether Csargo was a wolf, only the autopsy made it certain and that's why I'm waiting for Choxorn's to be final on Memnon...
But yeah, he might have had some other motive...
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 14:02
Aye, but healer seems too much for a cover role...
Why?
Step 1: Attack someone
Step 2: Heal them
Now gains townie's trust. How convenient.
I've given reviver roles to mafia because they make excellent cover, and it usually works, because townies are usually too interested in keeping power roles alive as opposed to suspecting people of being mafia. Cautious play allows cover roles to survive.
In my experience, the bad guys usually have cover roles, and those covers are designed to make you say hey dont lynch me.
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 14:06
Then we have the whole oh, there's another healer dead and also a guy who makes protective potions and also a guy who made healing potions.
So yeah. That's a fair number of healing roles dead already. One of those is gonna be a cover role for scum.
classical_hero
06-25-2012, 15:04
I am not sure about Memnon, but he could possibly be right, but we will see once the autopsy gets done and that is the real test. I am still suspicious of vote:Arjos
Don't have much time to read this, have to go to work now, but I'd have to Vote: The King, I don't trust lurkers at this stage.:on_leaf2:
I am not sure if I was clear about it:
1. when I put info on dead player list about them being werewolf or about not being one, it is 100% true, 100% accurate. And it happens automatically after some time (no use of power role needed)
2. Info about having 'criminal contacts' is different (not always accurate, dependent on use of power roles)
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 17:39
Don't have much time to read this, have to go to work now, but I'd have to Vote: The King, I don't trust lurkers at this stage.:on_leaf2:
Currently suspected as wolf if choxorn flips innocent ties up the vote with not much time left in the round with no case.
Town reaction: none.
Rectify.
Got back and lol funny vote, imo he's wolf and Choxorn innocent...
But seems like they are going to make me look scummy, so the third attackers gains at least a round...
I'm going to leave the tie, better me dead now, autopsy giving 100% certainty and no distractions in town for lynches...
Ibn-Khaldun
06-25-2012, 17:54
Vote: Arjos
Vote: Arjos
You either did good or are the partner fixing up, due to my unplanned reaction...
Actually I see now that you were present earlier on (posted in your game) and waited til now to vote...
Unvote; Vote: The King
Now it's tie and backfired the plan, will Memnon get back in time eh?
Got back and lol funny vote, imo he's wolf and Choxorn innocent...
But seems like they are going to make me look scummy, so the third attackers gains at least a round...
I'm going to leave the tie, better me dead now, autopsy giving 100% certainty and no distractions in town for lynches...
Actually I see now that you were present earlier on (posted in your game) and waited til now to vote...
Unvote; Vote: The King
Now it's tie and backfired the plan, will Memnon get back in time eh?
You aren't really making any sense. You say that Memnon is wolf when he makes it a tie between you and The King but you decides to not break the tie. Then you say that The King and Memnon are partners when The King votes for you and you cast your vote to make it a tie.
God Emperor
06-25-2012, 19:49
I am unsure of what to do with this.. given the number of votes cast, it is not likely that a continued tie can bring further light to the situation.. reviewing Edse's statement
God Emperor
06-25-2012, 19:58
You aren't really making any sense. You say that Memnon is wolf when he makes it a tie between you and The King but you decides to not break the tie. Then you say that The King and Memnon are partners when The King votes for you and you cast your vote to make it a tie.
please help me reason.. my mind isn't functioning too well right now.. Arjos moves from creating a tie, to create a tie, and if so, do you find that behavior problematic really? (I am not directly against it, I would just like to here more of your thoughts on the situation really)
I don't know but it is something weird about it. He's willing to sacrifice himself for the town in the first post. Then, after The King makes a self preserving vote, he makes a weird accusation and fights to get The King lynched.
Arjos thinks that Memnon is scum based on him tieing the vote between him and The King. He concludes that The King is scum based on the same vote? or that The King wants to save his own skin?
God Emperor
06-25-2012, 20:18
hm.. I went looking at The Kings voting history.. He is active throughout the whole game I think, but never posting much..
He votes on me the last round, and obviously his vote this round is purely for self preservation.. However his behavior does not seem to be guided by real panic like Arjo's..
Tally:
Arjos: Edse, Classical Hero, The King
The King: God Emperor, Memnon, Arjos
Not voting: Kagemusha, Dcmort
Could someone check if it is correct?
Unvote:Vote: The King
Arjos is probably only thinking a little bit wrong about Memnon/The King. One of them can be scum but not both. Memnon's step forward speaks in his favour as I said before.
Tally:
Arjos: Edse, Classical Hero, The King
The King: God Emperor, Memnon, Arjos
Not voting: Kagemusha, Dcmort
Could someone check if it is correct?
You forgot BSmith's vote for The King.
Tally:
Arjos: Edse, Classical Hero, The King
The King: God Emperor, Memnon, Arjos
Not voting: Kagemusha, Dcmort
Could someone check if it is correct?
You missed BSmiths vote.
5 The King: God Emperor, Memnon, Arjos, BSmith, edse
2 Arjos: classical hero, The King
2 Not voting: Kagemusha, dcmort93
A more likely match-up would be Arjos and The King. They have both been talking about conversions which is a scum move. They were at a 2-2 tie before they had made their votes so they could start this "arguing" to clear one of them from suspicion when the lynched show up as scum.
Then you say that The King and Memnon are partners when The King votes for you and you cast your vote to make it a tie.
I question the timing of TK's vote and looking at his posts of the day in the forum, he was present earlier today, but specifically voted to break the tie, after I made clear that I won't do it...
I simply found that peculiar...
With that Memnon's tie maker, I'm really leaning towards his guilt (imo that move was a framing tactic)...
If everybody else agrees with that and is willing to take a chance before the autopsy, let's switch for him...
Unvote; Vote: Memnon
Again, I simply found curious TK's timing and that made me think the possibility of his partnership...
To add edse could be right and TK was just coincidentally making a self-preservation move at that time (in the heat of the moment, the timing just felt wrong to me)...
But with Memnon I'm having way less doubts than before, I also don't agree with Pizza that an healer cover role is so plausible...
Unvote: Vote: Memnon
I question the timing of TK's vote and looking at his posts of the day in the forum, he was present earlier today, but specifically voted to break the tie, after I made clear that I won't do it...
I simply found that peculiar...
He saw that you were willing to die to help the town with the next lynches and thought that a 100% survival chance is better than 50%.
Montmorency
06-25-2012, 20:59
:laugh4:
Save this sort of thing for the Mexican standoff.
Day ended. Can you check tally for me?
I will make description soon
3 The King: God Emperor, Memnon, BSmith
3 Arjos: classical hero, The King, Edse
1 Memnon: Arjos
2 Not voting: Kagemusha, dcmort93
Don't hate me for the late vote change. It makes it 50/50 between Arjos and The King instead of a clear lynch of The King.
I'm probably to occupied with my own theory to see anything else.
Ok, I assume tally is correct. Update coming in a moment
Don't hate me for the late vote change. It makes it 50/50 between Arjos and The King instead of a clear lynch of The King.
That's what I actually wanted: the right lynch is Memnon, if we can't reach it, let's either remove baits or be lucky for his partner...
I just wasn't sure of TK to go for a clear lynch...
Tally:
3 The King: God Emperor, Memnon, BSmith
3 Arjos: classical hero, The King, Edse
1 Memnon: Arjos
2 Not voting: Kagemusha, dcmort93
This day, council members were discussing fiercely. There were a lot of accusations, and a lot of vote changes. At the end, 2 leading candidates were presented to Jarema: The King and Arjos.
After a short thought, Jarema said: ‘I found arguments of one of this groups more attractive. Therefore, I choose to kill that one’; and shooted a bullet exactly into Arjos’s head.
Arjos was a tool merchant
‘We have some new info about bodies of late town inhabitants’, Jarema said when his bodyguards were carrying body of Arjos away. ‘Atheotes and ATPG were not werewolves. We must double our efforts, or we will all grow some fur soon’.
Night 9 begins!
List of living players:
1.
2.
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19. Classical Hero
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7. Not a werewolf.
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7. Not a werewolf.
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8. No criminal contacts.
19. Arjos, tool merchant, lynched day 9.
Ugh...
Let's see what night brings then :S
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2012, 22:15
Best case, we're done with the wolves but I have strong reason to doubt that at this point.
Trusted townie leader, I would recommend you put everyone in a compromising position tonight, so that if anyone moves or sees anything, they're caught outright.
In particular, make sure you have in advance what the plan of action is, so there can be no confusion in the morning. I'd also recommend releasing that data before night ends just in case you die.
City watch marshal was patrolling the streets when something hit him in the head.
He wake up few hours later, with a terrible headache. And with a lot of blood in his hairs. 'Not, not again. I cannot stand it anymore... it must be... third time?' After this thought he felt unconscious again, this time to never wake up.
Classical Hero was a city watch marshal
'Well, my citizens' Jarema started. 'Matters are going worse I think. Soon, we will have another fool moon, and you still have not get rid of this were-infestation. GO TO WORK! VOTE! NOW!'
Day 10 begins
List of living players:
1.
2.
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12. Memnon
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19.
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7. Not a werewolf.
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7. Not a werewolf.
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8. Not a werewolf.
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8. No criminal contacts. Not a werewolf.
19. Arjos, tool merchant, lynched day 9.
20. Classical Hero, city watch marshall. killed night 9.
Cute Wolf and Choxorn were not werewolves
The King or Kagemusha?
Vote: The King
God Emperor
06-26-2012, 23:37
Going after Kagemusha seems strange I think.. Just too inactive for my taste, and I am little surprised he hasn't been wogged yet.
Vote: The King
dcmort93
06-26-2012, 23:47
Wait a sec... choxorn isn't a werewolf... Memnon's story doesn't match up in the slightest bit, and yet it seems people are just turning a blind eye to it. Vote: Memnon
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 06:49
Wait a sec... choxorn isn't a werewolf... Memnon's story doesn't match up in the slightest bit, and yet it seems people are just turning a blind eye to it. Vote: Memnon
This.
God Emperor
06-27-2012, 11:01
oh.. Sorry my attention has hardly been on Memnon.. I don't have time for anything more than following/putting trust in the statement about Memnons mismatching story.
Unvote; Vote: Memnon
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 14:07
I'm out due to spoiler info.
:stare: at Jarema.
Don't give up, trusted townie leader. Be the pizza.
I am really sorry. i did not want to take you out of the game.
Going after Kagemusha seems strange I think.. Just too inactive for my taste, and I am little surprised he hasn't been wogged yet.
He voted ad day 8.
Tally:
The King: Edse,
Memnon: dcmort93, God Emperor, BSmith
Not voting: Memnon, Kagemusha, The King
day ends in 20 minutes
Tally:
The King: Edse,
Memnon: dcmort93, God Emperor, BSmith
Not voting: Memnon, Kagemusha, The King
Day 10 ended.
"Well, I see that you decided today without additional incentives from my side' Jarema said. 'You are so eager, you should hang him yourself'.
Memnon was hanged. He was a butcher's guild master.
Night 10 begins. It is a night of full moon!
List of living players:
1.
2.
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19.
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7. Not a werewolf.
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7. Not a werewolf.
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8. Not a werewolf.
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8. No criminal contacts. Not a werewolf.
19. Arjos, tool merchant, lynched day 9.
20. Classical Hero, city watch marshall. killed night 9.
21. Memnon, butcher's guild master, lynched day 10.
Well, have fun with the wolves tonight, now that I'm out.
Montmorency
06-27-2012, 21:46
What everyone failed to consider earlier on: roleblocker.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 21:48
What everyone failed to consider earlier on: roleblocker.
Doesn't apply here.
Montmorency
06-27-2012, 21:48
?
Might have applied to Choxorn...
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 21:50
?
Might have applied to Choxorn...
No. Then he wouldn't have been seen near me.
Montmorency
06-27-2012, 21:52
And you're certain of this, why?
The fact remains that a human healer without criminal contacts was executed...
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 21:59
And you're certain of this, why?
Simple logical deduction, Monty.
Option 1) Choxorn is lying.
Well, he's neither Mafia nor Werewolf, so there's no motive to lie to the rest of the town about his whereabouts. Therefore he is almost certainly telling the truth regarding what he was actually doing that night, which completely contradicts Memnon's story.
Option 2) Memnon is lying.
Is the only remaining explanation for why Memnon "saw" Choxorn near me when Choxorn denies it.
Memnon has not flipped wolf yet, but he probably is one.
Option 3) Both were telling the truth
Not really possible, since the game host already confirmed there was no error in the night actions.
That leaves option 2 as the only remaining one, to a degree of 99.999 percent certainty. The remaining other "possibilities" include the game host outright lying to us, or very rare roles like action spoofers.
If you're suggesting that Choxorn was blocked, that still doesn't explain the difference in where he says he was, and where Memnon says he was. You still have to resolve that contradiction, and you cannot do so without one of them being a liar or stretching the realm of possibility to include the extremely unlikely.
Montmorency
06-27-2012, 22:18
Is the only remaining explanation for why Memnon "saw" Choxorn near me when Choxorn denies it.
Memnon has not flipped wolf yet, but he probably is one.
Why did Memnon not attempt to save himself today, being a wolf?
If he didn't do even that, why would he first engage in risky deep cover ops that would absolutely lead to his outing within a couple of days?
What would be gained by this, him likely being the final wolf? How would he benefit in the long-term?
Something doesn't add up. There must be something you've missed.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 22:25
Why did Memnon not attempt to save himself today, being a wolf?
Any number of reasons. Not active during time when he was under threat, no viable alternative lynch (3 votes versus 1), not willing to reveal any further information as to who his remaining partner is. WIFOM that failed. The list goes on and on really, and it's a lot easier to think of reasons for this than for any other category.
If he didn't do even that, why would he first engage in risky deep cover ops that would absolutely lead to his outing within a couple of days?
Because he painted himself into a corner with his claim, and since it was suggested that he watch me, and I still needed to be removed, it was a trade. I needed to die, and town healer needed to die, so it was a calculated trade.
I'd also like to point out that as simple as this obvious trade was, it still took prodding for the town to even follow through on him. Duh moment.
What would be gained by this, him likely being the final wolf? How would he benefit in the long-term?
I don't see why the wolves need to be on a team of two. Consider the fact that there have been multiple attacks, some fatal, some wounding, on certain nights. Also consider a town and a mafia full of power roles. Game doesn't seem balanced with two wolves.
Further, the claim of being a watcher role removes all possibility of being able to murder whoever the wolves want without outing themselves; it's a bad claim, much like claiming doctor or roleblocker. It necessarily leads to scenarios where you can't explain why you're still alive and haven't done your job properly.
The claim was meant to buy time, and it also happened to buy a couple of bad deaths as well. This really isn't hard to fathom.
Something doesn't add up. There must be something you've missed
Of course. You couldn't be wrong, right?
Montmorency
06-27-2012, 22:31
Of course. You couldn't be wrong, right?
No more guilty of it than others.
One kill or two, Pizza - that divides absolution.
:bow:
!
Wait, you're spoiled!
:wall:
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2012, 22:35
When you came up with your roleblocker solution, did you factor in the claim that choxorn was seen somewhere, and that it was somewhere different from what he said?
I don't think you did. But you pressed onward with such gusto.
I certainly wasn't roleblocked, my scan of edse got an actual result and my heal of Kagemusha just said "It doesn't work."
Why Memnon saw me with Pizza and why my healing ability didn't work is a different matter entirely.
dcmort93
06-28-2012, 02:19
I certainly wasn't roleblocked, my scan of edse got an actual result and my heal of Kagemusha just said "It doesn't work."
Why Memnon saw me with Pizza and why my healing ability didn't work is a different matter entirely.
Duhhhhh Bus Driver Role. That could possibly be why he showed up there. Why didn't we think of that sooner.
Askthepizzaguy
06-28-2012, 03:47
Duhhhhh Bus Driver Role. That could possibly be why he showed up there. Why didn't we think of that sooner.
Occam's razor. Wasn't a bus driver.
Montmorency
06-28-2012, 03:56
More like Omniscience Razor...
Askthepizzaguy
06-28-2012, 06:14
I certainly wasn't roleblocked, my scan of edse got an actual result and my heal of Kagemusha just said "It doesn't work."
Omniscience? No, just literacy.
Scan of edse gets a result = No bus driver. Otherwise he would have been scanning me.
Monty, most of the problems in a mafia game can be solved simply by reading it.
Montmorency
06-28-2012, 06:41
Monty, most of the problems in a mafia game can be solved simply by reading it.
Or, you know, getting all the data from the host...
dcmort93
06-28-2012, 06:58
Omniscience? No, just literacy.
Scan of edse gets a result = No bus driver. Otherwise he would have been scanning me.
Monty, most of the problems in a mafia game can be solved simply by reading it.
It's possible kage and you were bus driven. That would explain the results
Which would have meant I'd tried and failed to heal a dead guy, yes, but Memnon wouldn't have seen me near ATPG, he would have seen whoever tried to target ATPG and instead targeted Kagemusha, like he did.
And if there was no bus driver, then he couldn't have possibly seen me near ATPG, nor could he have not seen whoever actually attacked ATPG, unless one of the wolves can mess with his scans.
Jarema, clearly happy, said: ‘We have some news for you. There were no new kills during last week. And it was week of fool moon! Week during which werewolves are expected to be most active! I almost do not dare to hope for it… but maybe we are free from this threat!’
Jarema breathed deeply. ‘That is no all. Some of our men examined Arjos’s body. Some others, examined his house and his papers. We know for sure, that he had no criminal contacts. But, oh my, we also know for sure, that he was a werewolf! And a big one! Tough! Probably someone that we call <alpha> . I suppose he was a leader of entire werewolf pack. So, even if there still are werewolves around us, they are scattered and weak’.
‘So… now we have some voting to do. We still didn’t solve a problem of having two groups vying for control over this city’. Jarema sat comfortably and waited for a show.
Also, Classical Hero was not a werewolf
Day 11 begins
List of living players:
1.
2.
3.
4. Edse
5.
6. Bsmith
7.
8.
9. The King
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. dcmort93
15.
16.
17.
18. Kagemusha
19.
20.
21.
22. God Emperor
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
Dead players:
1. Visorslash, werewolf hunter, lynched day 1. Not a werewolf. Had criminal contacts.
2. Chaotix, grain merchant, killed night 1. Not a werewolf.
3. Xenoneb, toy merchant, lynched day 2. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts. Mason.
4. Daveshack, mayor, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
5. DoubleA, jail keeper, killed night 2. Not a werewolf.
6. Ishmael, cloth merchant. lynched day 3. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
7. Montmorency, miner's guild master, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
8. SalmonSoil, herbalist, killed night 3. Not a werewolf.
9. LazyMcCrow, spice merchant, lynched day 4. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
10. Centurion1, weaver’s guild master, lynched day 5. Not a werewolf. No criminal contacts.
11. Autolycus, herbalist, killed night 5. Not a werewolf.
12. Csargo, fruit merchant, lynched day 6. Werewolf!
13. Robbiecon (replaced Xehh II), night watch captain, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
14. Wideyedwanderer , priest, killed night 6. Not a werewolf.
15. Atheotes, blacksmith's guild master, lynched day 7. Not a werewolf.
16. Askthepizzaguy, scout's leader, killed night 7. Not a werewolf.
17. Cute wolf, deputy mayor, WoGed day 8. Not a werewolf.
18. Choxorn, healer, lynched day 8. No criminal contacts. Not a werewolf.
19. Arjos, tool merchant, lynched day 9. No criminal contacts. Werewolf!
20. Classical Hero, city watch marshall. killed night 9. Not a werewolf.
21. Memnon, butcher's guild master, lynched day 10.
Vote: The King
Fun fact: I've always been the first to vote except two days.
I'll go along with that. vote: The King
God Emperor
06-28-2012, 22:05
Vote: The king
dcmort93
06-28-2012, 22:10
I doubt The King is scum. Remember he was voting for Arjos when he was lynched. Now it is possible that we have killed off all of the wolves and there is just mafia left, but I my self am kinda skeptical about that. For now I'm not sure between Kage and God Emperor but I'll Vote God Emperor
No kills? That's wrong Jar :P
I doubt The King is scum. Remember he was voting for Arjos when he was lynched. Now it is possible that we have killed off all of the wolves and there is just mafia left, but I my self am kinda skeptical about that. For now I'm not sure between Kage and God Emperor but I'll Vote God Emperor
That's true about The King. However I feel that Kagemusha is the best shot.
Unvote: Vote: Kagemusha
Ibn-Khaldun
06-28-2012, 23:14
Vote: God Emperor
2 God Emperor: dcmort93, The King
2 Kagemusha: edse, BSmith
1 The King: God Emperor
1 No Vote: Kagemusha
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