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Chaotix
07-15-2012, 16:53
I would like to explain, as this may be due to my poor english:

Quote from opening post:
Mafia will also get a power role; these roles would be chosen from the same list, but with some restrictions (for example, no mafia mayor). One or more mafia member will get a role from special list of mafia roles.
If there would be a cult, there will be three additional possible roles.

It means that mafia member can have almost every town role, but also he can have a special, mafia-only role.

There's this.


Think again:

And there's the fact that even if what you claimed had been true, then you would be a hypocrite. Voting for me because you said I should have been sure you were town with your role, yet you knew (or thought you knew) that a role scanner could not be mafia.

Think about it. We know almost everybody's role for a certainty based on night actions or scans. If we don't, we can narrow it down to a group of them. Visorslash was the only one with a mafia role, and indeed there must still be mafia among us. It stands to reason that mafia must be able to have regular roles.

But you knew that already, before Jarema had to spell it out for you. Scum.

Unvote, Vote: Arjos

I may die, but I'm gonna point my cold, dead fingers at you till you join me.

Arjos
07-15-2012, 17:06
That, withholding your info on Ishmael the day of his lynch, claiming to have scanned dead people only this round: all days after you claimed to have trusted me...

You have done lots of shady things...

Before this you "cleared" these still alive players: me (scanned as a recruiting mason, now ok what Jarema said, but would a mafia get a role that would die if targeting mafia? imba cover much?), BSmith (by extention due to your scan of me as a mason) and Zack (commuter, but now we know that mafia can have any role, still same thing as BSmith applies).

Robbie the following: edse, memnon and daveshack.

I don't see how both views can work together, so either robbie claimed a better cover and is lying or you are lying...

If you are really a role-scanner, going paranoically or vengefully after me isn't going to help, if that's what your votes have been so far, well sorry if pretty much everybody is perceiving your detrimental behaviour as... well, detrimental XD

Jarema
07-15-2012, 20:09
more info would be here later
Chaotix lynched. He was mafia, role scanner.
Night begins. it will last about 24 hours

Arjos
07-15-2012, 20:22
Bah, thank the gods, that Jarema post gave me a scare XD

And damn you Chaotix, I read through you that day, wasted 2 rounds! :P

Chaotix
07-15-2012, 23:18
Well, here's to hoping your little gambit pays off, Arjos.

Ishmael
07-16-2012, 00:22
If Arjos turns out to be Chaotix's partner I will be mightily impressed. I'm taking notes either way.

DaveShack
07-16-2012, 04:04
I almost bought the role scanner line, but it still seemed a little off and a little too convenient. Scumdar upgrade successful. ~:cool:

Jarema
07-16-2012, 21:42
Robbiecon has been killed.
He was townie. He was a monkey.

Day begins.





Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3.
4. BSmith
5.
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. Zaccino

Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
Ishmael: town, judge dread. Lynched day 3
johnhughtom: town, skitzo. Killed night 3
Chaotix: mafia, role scanner. Lynched day 4
Robbiecon: town, monkey. Killed night 4

Chaotix
07-16-2012, 21:58
Who's it gonna be, Arjos? Who is it?

Who's my p-p-p-p-partner??!?!?

edse
07-16-2012, 22:12
Arjos bussing was not convincing enough Vote: Arjos

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:17
Vote: BSmith

And also I want to nominate edse as the most clueless townie there ever was, or will be :D

How can that be even thought as bussing? Most votes were on Robbie and I turned over to Chaotix, after reading the QT...

edse
07-16-2012, 22:18
Vote: BSmith

And also I want to nominate edse as the most clueless townie there ever was, or will be :D

How can that be even thought as bussing? Most votes were on Robbie and I turned over to Chaotix, after reading the QT...

So that you would be totally cleared from all suspicion from now on.

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:21
Oh yes and it all started with me revealing to the town JHT's role, clearing Memnon with what I knew, being the first one to read through Chaotix's behaviour in D2...
Yeah, yeah, it was all the masterplan for this moment!

Revealing most roles, making a case on Chaotix, when only few wanted him dead, yes, yes, I must have lynched my partner when there was no need to, you are so right!

edse
07-16-2012, 22:24
Oh yes and it all started with me revealing to the town JHT's role, clearing Memnon with what I knew, being the first one to read through Chaotix's behaviour in D2...
Yeah, yeah, it was all the masterplan for this moment!

When you saw that the lynch was going to be between Chaotix and robbiecon you decided that the best thing would be to buss Chaotix. If you hadn't there would be DaveShack, Memnon and I as confirmed innocents and you and Chaotix on the list of suspects, now you have a much better situation.

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:29
You are so much into your fantasy world, you don't even think about the other players XD

Better situation? There should be five townies and in your sick mind, I lynched a partner, when robbie was well in the lead with 3 votes?

edse
07-16-2012, 22:34
You are so much into your fantasy world, you don't even think about the other players XD

Better situation? There should be five townies and in your sick mind, I lynched a partner, when robbie was well in the lead with 3 votes?

If robbiecon were lynched

-DaveShack, Memnon, edse confirmed innocent
-Arjos, Chaotix, BSmith, Zaccino candidates for next lynch

You bussing Chaotix for the lynch

-You "confirmed" innocent
-BSmith and Zaccino main targets for the next lynch (Chaotix cleared them)

The mistake you did was to kill robbiecon in fear of him clearing more people, since now we know robbiecon was telling the truth.

I'm just messing with you, Zaccino is the last mafia. :laugh4:

edse
07-16-2012, 22:37
Unvote: Vote: Zaccino

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:38
You have night results for that?

I'm sure it's either him or BSmith, but since Chaotix wanted that Ishmael tie with Zack is possible...

And seriously I thought you went pathologically clueless on me XD

edse
07-16-2012, 22:39
Both BSmith and Zaccino visited robbiecon but BSmith is a cop.

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:40
Oracle's scan eh?

Sorry BSmith, but I thought I was cursed with recruiting mafia in my QT lol

Unvote; Vote: Zaccino

Memnon
07-16-2012, 22:41
Yeah, so it's Zack then? I sent Bsmith's info to you, just to make sure of that edse.

Vote: Zaccino

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:43
Well celebration time at the local pub!
Have a round on me, a toast to that Skitzo of JHT metagaming Visor and Robbie taking one for the team :D

Zack
07-16-2012, 22:45
This game was impossible for the mafia. Everyone and their goddamn mother was a cop or some sort of other power role. Role madness sucks.

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:47
Well BSmith was a grave digger and became cop at random out of 3 possible roles...
Skitzo was just extremely lucky :D

Sorta like in the right place, at the right time lol

Zack
07-16-2012, 22:50
And the skitzo happened to scan Visorslash, and the monkey kept clearing innocent names while we were busy killing jailkeepers and doctors. And who could forget the tracker watching me kill robbiecon? Or how I had an utterly useless ability?

The odds were heavily stacked against our favor. This game proves why I hate guilty/innocent cops so much. They suck all the fun out.

This game had multiple doctors, multiple roleblockers, multiple cops, etc. against what were essentially three basic mafia. How the hell were we supposed to win?

Arjos
07-16-2012, 22:53
Right forgot the monkey clearing a lot XD
As for the tracker, with so few suspects left it was bound to happen...

Anyway yes I don't like scanning abilities much, I got Chaotix, albeit in two rounds, old school :D

So you were really a commuter? lol you guys had such awful roles for mafia, would've been better with only that possible mafia roles ones...

Chaotix
07-17-2012, 00:17
Bahahaha I totally thought edse was being serious for a minute there and I was going to pee my pants laughing.

Anyway, well-played. I applaud you for catching me in my web of lies.

The scan on Zaccino, though, that's just brutal. We had a chance, man! A real chance. We were gonna lose anyway, but I'd prefer we go out with a bang. Instead, you guys played it smart and tracked the obvious kill target. No suspense at all there...

Oh, and btw BSmith is the guilty one. Trust me. :wink:

BSmith
07-17-2012, 01:36
vote: Zaccino. Not that I need to at this point. I am indeed a cop, but apparently not a good one. Robbiecon was guilty according to my scan.

BSmith
07-17-2012, 01:37
Stupid phone

vote: zaccino

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 02:12
JHT metagaming Visor

:stare:

Arjos
07-17-2012, 06:53
Shall we rephrase it as "preferential pickings" then? XD

Ishmael
07-17-2012, 10:59
If it helps Zaccino, I was certain you were a townie.

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 11:42
"preferential pickings"

:brood:


If it helps Zaccino, I was certain you were a townie.

If it helps Zaccino, at least you didn't throw a Zacktrum when you got wagoned, and lame your way to victory.

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:11
ok
I will end this round earlier, it will not change anything.
Zack was mafia. He was a commuter!

Town victory!

Final player list:
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3.
4. BSmith
5.
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
Ishmael: town, judge dread. Lynched day 3
johnhughtom: town, skitzo. Killed night 3
Chaotix: mafia, role scanner. Lynched day 4
Robbiecon: town, monkey. Killed night 4
Zaccino: mafia, commuter. Lynched day 5

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:13
It was an experimental game. It does not work exactly as predicted, partially due to Visor's bad luck at the night1.

Also, as an aftertought, night 0 was not needed - it mostly gave town more time to play with roles

Arjos
07-17-2012, 19:15
I think the mafiosi getting random town roles, were put in a tough place, ok it makes for a great cover, but they lose all their "attack" power so to speak...

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:15
Mafia qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/djecBYPrYdsAS

Arjos-made qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/dta9wcmH7qf

Roles:
1. Visorslash Mafia, informant
2. Chaotix Mafia, role scanner
3. Zaccino Mafia, commuter
4. Memnon Oracle
5. DaveShack Protector
6. Montmorency Cop (insane)
7. Atheotes Doctor
8. Robbiecon Monkey
9. The King Curious guy
10. Ishmael Insane vigilante
11. Classical Hero/johnhughtom Skitzo
12. Nightbringer Jailkeeper
13. Edse Watcher
14. BSmith Grave digger: insane cop
15. Arjos Recruiting neighbour

Night 0 actions:
Town actions:
Arjos tries to use his ability, but fails (you must name your target!)
Classical Hero tries to use his ability, but fails (you must name your target!)
Montmorency tries to use his ability, but fails (you must name your target!)
Memnon tries to use his ability, but fails (you must name both your targets!)
Ishmael tries to use his ability on Nightbringer, but fails (you cannot choose targets for your ability!)
Robbiecon tries to use his ability on Zaccino, but fails (you cannot choose targets for your ability!)
BSmith tries to use his ability on Atheotes, but fails (you cannot choose targets for your ability! too early for using this role!)
Atheotes targets The King, successfully (protects him) “you successfully used your ability”
Daveshack targets The King, successfully (protects him) “you successfully used your ability”


Mafia actions:
Zaccino targets Montmorency, but fails (you cannot choose targets for your ability!)
Visorslash targets Atheotes, successfully. (you successfully used your ability). (Atheotes got this message tonight: “you successfully used your ability”)
Chaotix targets Nightbringer, successfully (you successfully used your ability). (Nightbringer is a jailkeeper)


Night 1 actions:
Town actions:
Ishmael uses his ability. Successfully. Zaccino targeted. “you used your ability. But, something prevented it from working. Like if you were roleblocked, your target was protected, or something like that”.
Edse uses his ability on Ishmael (You used your ability. Ishmael wasn’t visited by anyone.)
Robbiecon uses his ability. Successfully. “you used your ability. Memnon is innocent!”
Arjos uses his ability. Successfully. Zaccino targeted. “you used your ability. But, something prevented it from working. Like if you were roleblocked, your target was protected, or something like that”.
Memnon uses his ability. Successfully. “you did it” (Nightbringer will be informed that classical hero is innocent)
Johnhughtom uses his ability on Visorslash. “you used your ability. Visorslash is guilty!”
The King tries to use his ability on johnhughtom, but fails (you cannot choose targets for your ability!)

Mafia actions:
Zaccino uses his ability. Successfully (he is protected against most actions)
Chaotix investigates Atheotes. Atheotes is a doctor.
Visorslash attacks Nightbringer. Nightbringer is dead.


Night 2 actions:
Town actions:
Edse uses his ability on johnhughtom (he was targeted by Memnon & Atheotes)
Arjos targets Chaotix and creates qt. http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/dta9wcmH7qf
Memnon uses his power. Arjos learns, that johnhughtom is a skitzo.
Robbiecon uses his power. Edse is innocent.
Atheotes uses his ability on jht. JHT protected.
Johnhughtom uses his ability on Arjos. Arjos is protected by him.
Ishmael uses his ability. The King is killed
Daveshack targets Memnon. Memnon is protected.

Mafia actions:
Zaccino attacks Atheotes and kills him.
Chaotix scans Arjos. “Arjos is recruiting neighbour.”


Night 3 actions:
Town actions:
Arjos targets BSmith, and he gets access to qt
Robbiecon uses his ability and learns that DaveShack is innocent
Bsmith uses his ability. He will have to pick 3 roles to randomize from during day
Edse watches Arjos (no one targeted him)
Daveshack targets (protects) Edse

Mafia actions:
Zaccino kills jht
Chaotix scans Zaccino. Zack is a commuter


Night 4 actions:
Town actions:
BSmith scans Robbiecon and learns that he is guilty.
Robbiecon uses his ability and learns that BSmith is innocent
Memnon uses his role on BSmith and Edse. Edse learns that BSmith is a cop
Edse sees that BSmith and Zaccino visited Robbiecon
Arjos recruits Zaccino
Daveshack targets (protects) BSmith

Mafia actions:
Zaccino kills Robbiecon

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:17
ANy discussion would be welcomed, both about game balance (poor, I will say), and about whole concept (is it worht to work on? rebalancing? changing? or just stupid and unnecessary?)

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 19:26
People whining about being scanned night one is getting so tiresome. I DO NOT METAGAME. I RANDOMLY SELECT MY TARGETS. MOANING ZACK HAS SEEN THIS AS HOST OFTEN ENOUGH TO KNOW IT'S TRUE. BEING SCANNED NIGHT ONE IS NOT ALWAYS METAGAMING.

Ahem. Yay, town win. Priority number 7 comes true! :bounce:

Thanks for the game Jarrrrrrema! Don't worry, balance is always a nuisance. I've never gotten it right...

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:33
MOANING ZACK HAS SEEN THIS AS HOST OFTEN ENOUGH TO KNOW IT'S TRUE. BEING SCANNED NIGHT ONE IS NOT ALWAYS METAGAMING.

He is right about Visor being unlucky... there was 50% chance that you will protect or roleblock him (no real consequenced for him)

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 19:34
He is right about Visor being unlucky... there was 50% chance that you will protect or roleblock him (no real consequenced for him)

Yep, it was unlucky, but there was some moaning about the choice of target. I have spoken out against metagaming many times in the past, and it annoys me to be accused of it.

As for the day 2 wagon started on Zack, from what I remember you claimed to be one of two roles. I checked them and there seemed to be a discrepancy, one of them could only be used on alternate nights or something, why others piled on after me, I have no idea. As alluded to when I said I'd tell you the reason when the bandwagoners told me.

Jarema
07-17-2012, 19:38
Yep, it was unlucky, but there was some moaning about the choice of target. I have spoken out against metagaming many times in the past, and it annoys me to be accused of it.

Understandable.

And, tbh, this time Zack do not have reason to complain about it, I suppose (he was chosen as a target once at night 0, once at night 1, zero times at night 2)

Zack
07-17-2012, 19:49
Twice on Night One. And I would appreciate if both of you would stop slandering my good name. I never said anything about metagaming.

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 19:51
I'll stop slandering you if you stop pretending you have a good name. I don't believe I did slander you though, did I mention your name? I'm just saying you as part of the mafia team would know I don't metagame. Ya big whinger.

edit: Zaccino is a terrible name.

Memnon
07-17-2012, 19:56
Hurray it's a first for me! Both surviving to the end, and actually winning! Good game, bad luck for the mafia though. XD

johnhughthom
07-17-2012, 19:59
Hurray for the Flan King!

Jarema
07-17-2012, 20:51
Twice on Night One. And I would appreciate if both of you would stop slandering my good name. I never said anything about metagaming.

I will stop. But, one of two at night one was random target (you were not chosen, just randomly selected)

Visor
07-17-2012, 23:29
And the skitzo happened to scan Visorslash, and the monkey kept clearing innocent names while we were busy killing jailkeepers and doctors. And who could forget the tracker watching me kill robbiecon? Or how I had an utterly useless ability?

The odds were heavily stacked against our favor. This game proves why I hate guilty/innocent cops so much. They suck all the fun out.

This game had multiple doctors, multiple roleblockers, multiple cops, etc. against what were essentially three basic mafia. How the hell were we supposed to win?
Yeah, we had a tough break. Go check out the death note mafia on twc though, similar story, yet mafia won.

Chaotix
07-18-2012, 00:58
Yeah, we had a tough break. Go check out the death note mafia on twc though, similar story, yet mafia won.

Oh no way somebody did a Death Note mafia?

I was just thinking about how that would work as a concept a few days ago. It would be hella fun to host.

Anyway, good game everyone. Especially Monty and Arjos. Arjos was good with the logic games, but Monty's scumdar is so accurate it's scary.

johnhughthom
07-18-2012, 01:32
Linky. (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537583)

Arjos
07-18-2012, 01:55
I was just thinking about how that would work as a concept a few days ago. It would be hella fun to host.

I approve!

Raito! Raito! XD

johnhughthom
07-18-2012, 01:59
Didn't Beskie's anime game a few years ago include elements from Death Note? I may be wrong as I know nothing about the genre, though some of the stuff in Jezebel's game seemed familiar.

DaveShack
07-18-2012, 04:18
I liked the concept, though only knowing my actions were successful was very unusual.

Jarema
07-18-2012, 06:09
I liked the concept, though only knowing my actions were successful was very unusual.

It was because it will be too easy to guess what your role is if it was not that way.

Also, I believe you had the weakest role in this game

atheotes
07-18-2012, 07:18
Good game Jarema...perhaps N0 was redundant and might have made the game a bit easier for the mafia.

though i missed N1 action, I guessed i was some kind of protection role and used it on JHT on N2

Visor
07-18-2012, 13:06
Oh no way somebody did a Death Note mafia?

I was just thinking about how that would work as a concept a few days ago. It would be hella fun to host.

Anyway, good game everyone. Especially Monty and Arjos. Arjos was good with the logic games, but Monty's scumdar is so accurate it's scary.

Well, after your defence of my on D2, I thought it was game over for you on D3.


Good game Jarema...perhaps N0 was redundant and might have made the game a bit easier for the mafia.

though i missed N1 action, I guessed i was some kind of protection role and used it on JHT on N2

Easier for the town you mean.

For the Death Note game:

Role List:

-AA - Roleblocker
-Visor - Mafia Goon (Extra life)
-Alsark - Mafia Killer
-Xeno - SK (extra life, three kills)
-Agga - Power Role Protector
-Spike - Mafia Roleblocker
-Blackwolf - Doctor
-CJ - Investigation (Sane)
-Classical - Commuter, three time (no anti town targetable
-Remus - Double Vote
-edse - Mason Confirm/Investigation
-Kaiser - One time unblockable vig
-Stormer - Bodyguard
-cpdwane - Mason Confirm/Investigation
-Jarema - One time anti town power roleblock (ALL)

I'm rather proud of my performance that game. Some of the roles make more sense if you read the thread. QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ML85t3pM2ppur

Role madness games can be fun, but both this, and Death Note, were both imbalanced towards town.

However, stellar play lead us to victory, even when our main killed was lynched D3, after a day extension (grumble), and then our partner (roleblocker) claimed he could scan through cover roles, and got himself lynched D5 or something, and then I won it for us in a 4 way Lylo with the SK having no kills and no extra life left, and we lynched the doctor, and the investigator/mason still alive. Tense game, but I enjoyed it.

EDIT: You will also find JHT revealing me, Rebel Jeb and himself as mafia partners at the end of the thread, in another game that was running at the same time. And he also announced our kill before it happened. And yet town lynched the reviver instead. :cool:

Chaotix
07-18-2012, 15:21
Didn't Beskie's anime game a few years ago include elements from Death Note? I may be wrong as I know nothing about the genre, though some of the stuff in Jezebel's game seemed familiar.

Yes, you're correct. The Death Note character actually won.

But his main concept was a similar series; I believe it was called Eden of the East.

Visor
07-19-2012, 00:44
In regards to Death Note: I had a SK in my recent small game who could choose when his target would die (aka Night 2, or whenever). (Which I stole off another game).

classical_hero
07-19-2012, 09:38
It seems like jht did a good job in my place.

johnhughthom
07-19-2012, 13:05
It seems like jht did a good job in my place.

Yep, I did argue with Zack quite a lot. :clown:

Montmorency
07-23-2012, 01:30
Hey, wait a second Chaotix, that's the same kind of nonsense you pulled in the Sacrifice game then! You got off light this time, as far as I'm concerned.

Nice start to the final day, I couldn't tell whether to feel horrified or smug.

Chaotix
07-23-2012, 02:22
Hey, wait a second Chaotix, that's the same kind of nonsense you pulled in the Sacrifice game then! You got off light this time, as far as I'm concerned.

Nice start to the final day, I couldn't tell whether to feel horrified or smug.

I have this really, really bad habit of using risky strategies that place me right under the town's nose.

If it was just me I would be ok with it, but unfortunately if it fails I drag my scum partners down with it, and that's not cool.

I think I'm going to start toning it down when I have partners in the future. In games where someone else took the lead, we tended to do better.

As a solo scum, though... I will direct you to of the Star Wars: Fall of the Order (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-Concluded) for the epitome of "under the town's nose". :evil: