View Full Version : Small mafia game 'Guess what your role is' (aka 'role insanity') [Concluded]
Game description:
At the beginning of the game, every player would get a power role. But, they will NOT KNOW what role they got! Roles would be chosen at random. There would be only one role of given type (e.g. only one vigilante), but there can be more than one of similar roles (e.g. both sane and paranoid cop, or both doctor and CPR doctor).
Game will start with night 0. During night 0, no kill can happen. If someone tries to kill someone, he get info "it is too early for using this role'.
Each night, each player has three choices:
a) He can try to use his ability without naming its target. If he has a role that do not have a target, he will get info ‘you did it!’. And, maybe, some other info (for example: ‘You learned that Jarema is innocent!’). Sometimes there would be no further info (for example, if character is a Curious Guy, and no one visited him). If he has a role that requires a target (or 2 targets) he would get info: ‘you must name your target!’, or ‘you must name your targets!’, and he will not use his ability during that night
b) He can try to use his ability at one target. If he has role with single target, he will get info ‘you did it!’. And, maybe, some other info (for example: ‘You learned that Jarema is innocent!’). Sometimes there would be no further info (for example, if character is a doctor, and no one attacked his target). If he has a role that requires 2 targets he would get info: ‘you must name both your targets!’, and he will not use his ability during that night. If he has a role that does not have a target, he would get info: ‘you cannot choose targets for your ability!’, and he will not use it.
c) He can try to use his ability at two targets. If he has role with two targets, he will get info ‘you did it!’. And, maybe, some other info. If he has a role that requires one target he would get info: ‘you must name only one target!’, and he will not use his ability during that night. If he has a role that does not have a target, he would get info: ‘you cannot choose targets for your ability!’, and he will not use it.
Mafia will also get a power role; these roles would be chosen from the same list, but with some restrictions (for example, no mafia mayor). One or more mafia member will get a role from special list of mafia roles.
If there would be a cult, there will be three additional possible roles.
List of possible roles:
1. Roles that do not have targets:
a. Insane Vigilante (kills random person)
b. Monkey (gains info about random person innocence, for example: 'You learned that Jarema is innocent')
c. Mayor (all night actions blocked, one use)
d. Commuter (cannot be attacked at night; cannot be used twice in a row)
e. Lightning Rod (all actions are redirected to the player using it; cannot be used twice in a row)
f. Paranoid Gun Owner (kills any person targetting him at night when he uses this ability)
g. Curious Guy (learns who visited him that night)
h. Judge Dread (kills random member of the lynch mob {people who voted for a lynched player during previous day})
i. Gravedigger: when you use your ability, you can choose three roles from the roles of dead players. You will randomly get one of this roles. Cannot be used at night one; if attempted, you will get info: too early for using this role!)
2. Roles with a single target:
a. Skitzo (at random: protects, attacks, scans, roleblocks his target)
b. Sane Cop, Macho Cop, Paranoid Cop, Insane Cop, Naive Cop
c. Protector (protect against night actions other than attack)
d. Doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself),
e. Bodyguard (as doctor, but dies if succesfully protects someone)
f. CPR doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself ; if protected character is not attacked, he dies)
g. Jailkeeper (protects and roleblocks one target)
h. Roleblocker
i. Role Scanner (gains info about role name)
j. Vigilante (kills target)
k. Tracker (learns what target was doing at night)
l. Watcher (learns who visited target)
m. Recruiting Mason (you recruit target person to your innocent proved group. If you try to recruit scum, you die)
n. Recruiting Neighbor (youi recruit target person to your group. you got no info about his/her innocence)
3. Roles with two targets:
a. Bus Driver (switches two persons. If bus driver switches player A and player B, and then player A is attacked, player B is attacked instead of him)
b. Taxi Driver (switches night action consequences for 2 persons. For example, taxi driver switches player A and player B, then player B attacks paranoid gun owner. As a switched consequence, player A dies)
c. Connector – creates quick topic for two people. One-time use only
d. Amor – creates a pair of lovers. One-time use only. Lover: from now you are lovers with player XXX. If one of you die, the other will die too. You share a qt. You can win either with your 'old' victory condition, or when you two outnumber other players.
e. XXX (I do not know how it could be named) - changes scan results between two players (limited bus driver)
f. Oracle - sends info about Target A role to Target B
g Dream Mage- sends info about Target A affiliation to Target B
List of possible mafia roles:
1. Yakuza - once per game, you can 'yak': you commit suicide, and your target becomes mafia. if you are protected while 'yakking' you survive.
2. Silencer – your target cannot post anything other than his vote during next day. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
3. Framer – for all scanners, your target will appear mafia.
4. Blackmailer – you decide for who your target will vote during next day. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
5. Role-stealer – if your target dies during the same night, you get his role.
6. Informant – you got copies of all messages that your target gets from me at the end of the night. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
7. Witch – you put a curse on your target. If your target is visited by anyone else than mafia during the same night, he dies. Both doctors (and all their variants) and protectors will protect against this ability.
List of possible third-party roles (they will know what their role is):
1. Vengeful killer: you are a killer with night-kill immunity. If you are attacking someone who voted for you last day (only final vote counts if that player changed his vote during day), then you can kill through protection.
2. Ninja: you are a killer who is invisible (you will not be seen as visiting someone), untrackable (appears to be sitting at his home), unblockable, & scans as average townie. In other words, immune to abilities of: tracker, watcher, roleblocker, policeman, and roles based on those (like jailkeeper).
3. Electro Maniac: you are a killer with special killing method. You can pick a player every night. That player becomes charged with electricity. If your target is already charged, you will electrocute and kill him on your next visit. Charging bypasses doctors and bodyguards, but not protector. If a charged player visits another person who is also charged, they both become electrocuted and die. This can happen as early as second night (when second victim is picked by you). This effect bypasses doctors and bodyguards, and also protectors. You are immune to electricity yourself. If someone roleblocks you, scans you, curse you, or silences you, he becomes charged with electricity. Charged players will not know that they are charged.
4. Bomber: you are a killer with special killing method. As a night action, pick a player. From now, this player is carrying a bomb. Giving player a bomb bypasses doctors and bodyguards, but not protector. As a night action, you can blow up all players with bombs. This bypasses doctors and bodyguards, and also protectors. Players with bombs will not know that they are carrying a bomb.
5. Voodoo Master: each night, you can revive one character as a zombie. It would be announced in the game thread. Zombies can be killed/lynched normally. Zombie player does not play or post, his character is only an empty husk. All zombies vote the same way that you do (be careful! It can reveal you; there is no work-around for it). Zombies cannot use any abilities. You cannot be killed at night or lynched if there is at least one zombie alive; one of them is killed instead of you. You win when number of zombies (plus you) is higher than number of remaining living players (not including you).
6. Vampire: each night, you may bite one person. If you bite one person two times in a row (not necessarily at consecutive nights, but without biting anyone else between bites), he becomes a vampire, identical to you (and you both can pass the curse of vampirism to the next victims). From now on, you share a victory condition and a quicktopic. If two vampires bites the same person during one night, he dies. If there is vampire in the game, one townie will get role of ‘vampire hunter’. Vampire hunter: you can target one player. If he is vampire, you will learn about it. If he has been bite by vampire, you will learn about it. Person whom you have chosen as a target is protected against vampire bite during this night.
7. Vile Amor: every night you can create pair of lovers. Their know that their love is cursed – unlike standard lovers, they cannot win together as a lovers. But still, if one of them dies, the second one dies too. You are immune to night kills. Three times per game you can attack someone at night.
8. Spree Killer: The Spree Killer can visit another player's house and kill everyone present at that house. Being "present" is defined as having targetted that player at night. A player is NOT present at their own house if they have targetted someone else as a night action. Spree killer can visit himself. He is immune to night attacks.
List of additional roles possible if there is a cult (guaranteed at least one of them):
1. Priest: protects one person from being recruited into cult
2. Prophet (anti-cult scanner): scans one person for being cult or not
3. Fanatic: it is role without target. If someone tries to recruit him into cult when this power is used, he fails and fanatic learns his name
At the end of night, player who tried to use his ability will get 2 messages. First, describing if he used it. Second, describing if he learned something at night, or did something evident, or something happened to him.
For example, Jarema uses his ability on ATPG. Jarema gets this two pms:
1. You used your ability!
2. You learned that ATPG is innocent
Now, Jarema still does not know what his ability is. He can be a cop, of course. But he can be also a skitzo. Or, he can have other role (for example doctor), but ATPG, who is Village Fool, used his ability at him at the same time... Or, Jarema is vigilante, but ATPG was protected, AND dream mage targeted Jarema and ATPG.
Another example: ATPG tries to use his ability on Chaotix. He gets 2 pms:
1. ‘you cannot choose targets for your ability!’
2. You learned that Visorslash is innocent.
Now, he has some info to think about...
Meanwhile, Visor uses his ability on Choxorn. He gets 2 pms:
1. You used your ability!
2. There is qt for you and Choxorn.
Now, Visor is probably either a recruiting mason, or a recruiting neighbour. But he does not know which one!
Rules:
1. If not said explicitely, standard rules apply
2. Vote by using vote: Jarema format. if you want to change your vote, unvote first
3. No communication outside game thread (with exception of qt - you will be notified if you have access to any)
4. Players will be WoGed if their miss their third vote in a row
5. There will be role and alignment reveal on death (but not sanity reveal)
6. Fun is not an option, it is obligatory
EDIT: Special rule
If randomly generated set of roles is evaluated by me as totaly unbalanced or unplayable (like mafia having roles of vigilante, cpr doctor and a witch, for possible 4 kills per night), I will re-generate set of roles.
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3.
4. BSmith
5.
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
Ishmael: town, judge dread. Lynched day 3
johnhughtom: town, skitzo. Killed night 3
Chaotix: mafia, role scanner. Lynched day 4
Robbiecon: town, monkey. Killed night 4
DaveShack
06-30-2012, 21:48
insane concept!
Insane.
5988 Nailed itBut DaveShack destroyed it while is was searching for the picture
Montmorency
06-30-2012, 22:04
Oh dear.
Put me in as a reserve for now, because...
robbiecon
06-30-2012, 23:17
Insane in the membrane
DaveShack
06-30-2012, 23:30
plagiarists!
I will most definitely play.
I will play it: roleplaying I don't know what's going on... And coincidentally enough, I won't know what's going on XD
Just got killed D1 again, so In.
Just got killed D1 again, so In.
At least we didn't kill you N0 :beam:.
Also, in for roughly the same reason.
Ibn-Khaldun
07-01-2012, 11:01
In it is.
atheotes
07-01-2012, 19:11
i was killed as well...so in.
robbiecon
07-01-2012, 19:14
plagiarists!
Oh, we do try ;)
Reserve, in if you don't get enough sign-ups.
7 more players would be nice
classical_hero
07-02-2012, 10:49
Are you mad?
classical_hero
07-03-2012, 07:55
It is, considering how complex this can be.
12 players in, 14 if counted with reserves.
If I get 15 players, I can run smaller version - without 2 scum teams/sides. Only mafia OR cult.
If more, I will run the game as planned. So, still waiting few days for some players
Ok
I think I can do it for 14 players, with one scum team (or two SK-like characters)
So, possibilities would be:
a) mafia
b) cult
c) two special roles (chosen at random from: vengeful killer, ninja, bomber, vampire, voodoo master, electro maniac, spree killer)
I will start game later today, and I am still waiting for more willing players
Nightbringer
07-04-2012, 18:41
I'll do it!
Meaning IN
Yes!
Almost at the last moment
I am starting randomizing roles soon.
If someone wants to join, it is last hour or two when it can be done
I start sending PMs.
please do not post now.
Remember:
1. There is either a cult, or a mafia, or 2 SK-like characters
2. Game starts with night 0. There are NO KILLS at night 0!
3. Everyone has a power role, you just do not know yours
4. Everyone will get vanilla role pm, so do not freak out about 8 players getting the same vanilla message. Mafia/cult/whatever will get their special message later.
Game has officially started. It is night 0.
When sending night orders, remember that you can:
- try to use your ability without naming its target
- try to use your ability at one target
- try to use your ability at two targets
Montmorency
07-04-2012, 21:29
1. You used your ability!
2. You learned that ATPG is innocent
Do you really need two separate PMs for that?
That could clog up an Inbox real quick...
ok, I will try to put that info in two parts of one pm
One more thing.
Please remember, that if I do not give you link to your own qt, there is no communication outside of game thread
Ibn-Khaldun
07-04-2012, 21:50
So, ATPG is innocent. That is a surprise! :dizzy2:
atheotes
07-05-2012, 10:43
So, ATPG is innocent. That is a surprise! :dizzy2:
Jarema is insane cop ~;p
Jarema is insane cop ~;p
Nope.
Naive one ~;)
Day 1 officially begins!
All players who sent me their night actions, have received pms with description of results. Consult opening post to see what your results may mean.
I am unhappy that few players did not sent me their night actions, but I will not extend night 0 for them...
Vote for lynching someone. I forgot to mention it before: voting for no lynch and abstaining is allowed. In case of a tie, one randomly chosen person would be lynched.
Vote: Nightbringer
Time to celebrate your new moderator status :D
Montmorency
07-05-2012, 21:33
Vote: No Lynch
8 - 5 + 2 = 5!
vote: robbiecon
Nightbringer
07-06-2012, 01:43
hmm, too busy drinking to do my night order yesterday. Sorry about that, but I had to celebrate my mod status.
Er, the birth of my country.
meh, mod status more important! :verycool:
In any case, OMGUS vote:Arjos
Nightbringer
07-06-2012, 01:47
sigh... just over the time limit on editing
vote:Arjos
(SCUM + SCUM) * SCUM = DOUBLE SCUM SQUARED
Vote: Ishmael
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 02:13
Vote: No Lynch. Official abstention is purely for WoG avoidance, and otherwise useless.
If you want your vote to count, you must bold it.
EDIT: Now, I understand why you didnt bold it...
Verarde = Visorslash according to Jarrema, so Vote: BSmith :tongue:
DaveShack
07-06-2012, 07:08
vote: classical_hero
atheotes
07-06-2012, 08:33
Vote: No Lynch. Official abstention is purely for WoG avoidance, and otherwise useless.
not really...
Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 08:47
Care to explain?
atheotes
07-06-2012, 09:35
isnt it obvious?
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 09:36
If 19 Vote: Abstain, and one votes a player, the player dies.
If 19 Vote: No Lynch, and one votes a player, no one dies.
atheotes
07-06-2012, 09:51
what makes you think someone who is abstaining doesnt want anyone dead?
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 09:54
Still holds: if that's the case, then just as easily hold your click. An actual vote of abstention is merely a useful way of registering one's presence.
On D1, that's not a legitimate usage - unless you are evil.
Still holds: if that's the case, then just as easily hold your click. An actual vote of abstention is merely a useful way of registering one's presence.
On D1, that's not a legitimate usage - unless you are evil.
I would vote for you here, but I don't want to see you be the result of yet another Day 1 lynch.
All the Vote: No Lynches in the world won't save you if just as many people are voting for you.
Anyway you are technically correct about the abstain, but not actually correct. You yourself have proven by this exchange that abstaining can incur a profoundly different reaction than just withholding your vote until you're ready.
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 13:59
I would vote for you here, but I don't want to see you be the result of yet another Day 1 lynch.
IIRC, only happened once so far this year.
Anyway you are technically correct about the abstain, but not actually correct. You yourself have proven by this exchange that abstaining can incur a profoundly different reaction than just withholding your vote until you're ready.
That's just what a scum would say.
All the Vote: No Lynches in the world won't save you if just as many people are voting for you.
Extraterrestrials can not register to be Org Mafia players.
Ibn-Khaldun
07-06-2012, 14:04
Vote: Nightbringer
IIRC, only happened once so far this year.
Have it your way. I wouldn't want to deprive you of it, and you seem to want it so badly.
Unvote, Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 14:13
When did 'I don't tend to get lynched D1' become 'Lynch me sir'? :tongue:
When did 'I don't tend to get lynched D1' become 'Lynch me sir'? :tongue:
As far as I'm concerned, those two statements have exactly the same meaning. :laugh4:
atheotes
07-06-2012, 14:27
Still holds: if that's the case, then just as easily hold your click. An actual vote of abstention is merely a useful way of registering one's presence.
On D1, that's not a legitimate usage - unless you are evil.
you are only considering the abstain as a final vote...often it is a place holder vote - for many reasons.
When did 'I don't tend to get lynched D1' become 'Lynch me sir'? :tongue:
to me it read 'I don't tend to get lynched D1' - 'so i dont mind' :tongue:
perhaps empty bravado...posturing from scum to seem like they dont care...
unvote; vote:Montmorency
Verarde = Visorslash according to Jarrema, so Vote: BSmith :tongue:
:laugh4:
Well, in that case, unvote; vote: Visorslash.
What is going on with Monty is that he doesn't know yet if he's scum (afaik nobody does) and he doesn't want to risk to lynch his partners :D
Vote: Nightbringer
Why adding votes already and so soon in D1?
to me it read 'I don't tend to get lynched D1' - 'so i dont mind' :tongue:
perhaps empty bravado...posturing from scum to seem like they dont care...
unvote; vote:Montmorency
Seems like typical Montmorency and typical Chaotix to me, so I'll go for the third link in the chain and unvote, vote: atheotes. Seems a bit off with the WIFOMy argument there.
Montmorency
07-06-2012, 14:57
perhaps empty bravado...posturing from scum to seem like they dont care...
unvote; vote:Montmorency
Don't be a Classical hero, Johnny!
What is going on with Monty is that he doesn't know yet if he's scum (afaik nobody does) and he doesn't want to risk to lynch his partners :D
The 'game is starting' PM seems to imply that the mafia would know their alignment (and probably partners) from the beginning.
EDIT: Of course, looking over your comment you're probably just joking there. I can never pick up on tone online :beam:.
The 'game is starting' PM seems to imply that the mafia would know their alignment (and probably partners) from the beginning.
If that's the case, it's senseless to use a night action to "open" the QT, since they would know eachother already...
If that's the case, it's senseless to use a night action to "open" the QT, since they would know eachother already...
Looking over the OP, I can't see anything indicating that mafia needs to use an ability to open a QT. Have I missed it somewhere?
Meanwhile, Visor uses his ability on Choxorn. He gets 2 pms:
1. You used your ability!
2. There is qt for you and Choxorn.
Now, Visor is probably either a recruiting mason, or a recruiting neighbour. But he does not know which one!
Uhm, seems it applies to third parties and not the mafia, sorry...
atheotes
07-06-2012, 15:15
Looking over the OP, I can't see anything indicating that mafia needs to use an ability to open a QT. Have I missed it somewhere?
I dont think so.
edit: must learn to refresh when i am distracted while posting.
classical_hero
07-06-2012, 17:33
vote:no lynch
Tally for now, I hope accurate:
Montmorency: Zaccino, Atheotes, Chaotix
Nightbringer: Arjos, The King
No Lynch: Montmorency, classical hero
Atheotes: Ishmael
Visorslash: BSmith
Arjos: Nightbringer
BSmith: Visorslash
classical hero: DaveShack
Ishmael: Edse
Abstain: Memnon
Not voting; Robbiecon
Montmorency was lynched!
He was a cop!
Night 1 begins. I hope everyone will send me their night actions.
Montmorency
07-07-2012, 10:05
Oh crap, I forgot to vote King at the last minute!
Snap, son...
classical_hero
07-07-2012, 20:06
I need to be replaced for this, since I am not feel well.
I need to be replaced for this, since I am not feel well.
ok, I will try to find someone.
johnhughthom
07-07-2012, 20:44
I'll replace if you don't have anyone.
I'll replace if you don't have anyone.
Thank you. I will send you needed info, and after confirmation I will announce replacement in a game thread
EDIT:
confirmed. johnhughtom replaces classical hero from now.
And one thing I forgot about:
no ability can be used on oneself. If you have an ability with one target, you must choose name of one player other than yourself. If you have ability with two targets, you must choose name of two players other than yourself
Night 1 ended. When players gathered, they found body of Nightbringer.
Nightbringer was innocent. He was a jailkeeper
Almost half of players have enogh info to guess their roles by now. Remember, that there are no two identical roles in the game, but there can, for example, be both sane and insane cop.
I am still dissapointed with inactivity of some players during nights. It would be nice to have as many orders, as many living players there is.
Day 2 begins.
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3. Chaotix
4. BSmith
5. Robbiecon
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8. Visorslash
9. Ishmael
10. The King
11. Atheotes
12. classical hero replaced by johnhughtom
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
johnhughthom
07-08-2012, 21:39
Vote: Visorslash
He's, like, guilty and stuff.
Nightbringer
07-08-2012, 22:04
well, I signed on to submit my night order, and found myself half an hour late and dead. Ah well, good luck to the town!
Vote: Atheotes
Pushed a cops lynch yesterday.
Vote: Visorslash
Die, scum.
vote: atheotes. I'm sticking to my guns from yesterday.
atheotes
07-09-2012, 07:27
Guess, we will find out if John is insane.
Vote: Visorslash
atheotes
07-09-2012, 07:28
vote: atheotes. I'm sticking to my misfiring guns from yesterday.
there, fixed it for ya!
Vote: Visorslash
He's, like, guilty and stuff.
Guess, we will find out if John is insane.
I don't think that's really intended as a detective claim, although JHT can feel free to confirm that.
Anyway, what is the case on Visor? I get the feeling that I'm missing something here.
Ibn-Khaldun
07-09-2012, 08:14
Vote: Zaccino
johnhughthom
07-09-2012, 08:18
I don't think that's really intended as a detective claim, although JHT can feel free to confirm that.
Anyway, what is the case on Visor? I get the feeling that I'm missing something here.
It's an "I used my ability on him and got a guilty result" claim. I don't know what the ability is, I could be a Bar Tender looking for the guy who stole a bottle of bacardi from behind the bar.
But I'm probably some form of cop.
I don't know what the ability is, I could be a Bar Tender looking for the guy who stole a bottle of bacardi from behind the bar.
No, you can't ~:)
List of possible roles is included in first post
It's an "I used my ability on him and got a guilty result" claim. I don't know what the ability is, I could be a Bar Tender looking for the guy who stole a bottle of bacardi from behind the bar.
But I'm probably some form of cop.
Huh. Well, in that case unvote: vote, Visorslash. Sure JHT could be an insane/paranoid cop, but this still gives us a better than otherwise chance of lynching scum.
Huh. Well, in that case unvote: vote, Visorslash. Sure JHT could be an insane/paranoid cop, but this still gives us a better than otherwise chance of lynching scum.
No, it doesn't. We know it can't be Naive Cop, and I don't know what the Macho Cop does, but assuming Sane Cop is the only one that gives the correct answer, Visor has a one in four shot of being mafia.
How many mafia are in this game? Two? Three? Five?
With so many power roles in the town's hands, I'd have to say at least 3, perhaps more. In which case, there being 13 living players left, we have about a one in four shot of hitting mafia if we lynch at random.
The only thing that could make it worth it to lynch Visorslash solely because of the scan result would be getting some extra insight as to what JHT's role is. But then again, if he's right about Visorslash, he probably won't live to scan again. If he's not, his role is almost useless until we figure it out, but he might still get killed just because of the risk of him being a paranoid cop.
That said, I might vote for Visor anyway. We have enough votes to lynch him though. I'll leave my vote open in case I see someone pull a scummy move and we ought to change the lynch.
Vote: Abstain
I can assure you that JHT is a paranoid or insane cop.
Atheotes is a much better lynch then me.
EDIT: Macho cops can't be protected.
Montmorency
07-09-2012, 13:13
he probably won't live to scan again.
As an outed cop who can't even be trusted to influence the lynch with his scans, he will not live long anyway.
Lynch the both of them.
With the first post I thought John was joking lol
Atheotes did lynch Monty, but imo the latter is to blame, for putting his usual "networky, know it all" aura, which townies so love to lynch...
Visor did joke vote on D1, but so does everybody else pretty much: in any other game, I'd vote Visor, but here we could've town powers working against itself...
Vote: Chaotix
He should know how Monty plays, but still worked on the town's paranoia and he has been in his "helpful townie" persona, which he lately picked up as mafia (see for example the "nobody is hosting" game), keeping distance even with this runaway wagon...
Of all people he's the one trying the hardest to keep it cool...
No, it doesn't. We know it can't be Naive Cop, and I don't know what the Macho Cop does, but assuming Sane Cop is the only one that gives the correct answer, Visor has a one in four shot of being mafia.
If the macho cop is as Visor says, then JHT has a 3/5 chance of getting the right answer:
If target is mafia: Sane, Macho, Paranoid are correct.
If target is town: Sane, Macho and Naive are correct.
Assuming for the sake of argument that there are 3 scum roles, that gives us a 3/5 probability of Visorslash being scum, versus a 3/13 chance of lynching scum if we lynch randomly.
That said, now that I've typed this I've realised there's the possibility that JHT is a lying mafioso, in which case he can just plead insanity and get away with it. But that seems a bit of a high-risk play by mafia for D2, and I think I'm willing to risk it.
With the first post I thought John was joking lol
Atheotes did lynch Monty, but imo the latter is to blame, for putting his usual "networky, know it all" aura, which townies so love to lynch...
Visor did joke vote on D1, but so does everybody else pretty much: in any other game, I'd vote Visor, but here we could've town powers working against itself...
Vote: Chaotix
He should know how Monty plays, but still worked on the town's paranoia and he has been in his "helpful townie" persona, which he lately picked up as mafia (see for example the "nobody is hosting" game), keeping distance even with this runaway wagon...
Of all people he's the one trying the hardest to keep it cool...
Oh, please. I am the definition of cool.
Nobody can make me sweat.
Not even a little.
:sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop:
OH GOD OH GOFD DONT LETJTE THEM LYNCH MNE MAH SUCM BUDDIES NEE D MEH
I do know how Monty plays. It's just that he was practically asking to be lynched, and when someone does that you just gotta lynch them because if you don't and they turn out to be mafia, then everyone feels like an idiot.
If the macho cop is as Visor says, then JHT has a 3/5 chance of getting the right answer:
If target is mafia: Sane, Macho, Paranoid are correct.
If target is town: Sane, Macho and Naive are correct.
Assuming for the sake of argument that there are 3 scum roles, that gives us a 3/5 probability of Visorslash being scum, versus a 3/13 chance of lynching scum if we lynch randomly.
That said, now that I've typed this I've realised there's the possibility that JHT is a lying mafioso, in which case he can just plead insanity and get away with it. But that seems a bit of a high-risk play by mafia for D2, and I think I'm willing to risk it.
If Macho Cop gives the correct answer too, that's pretty much all I need. It's actually 75% instead of 60%, because there's a 0% chance that JHT is a Naive Cop - he couldn't get a guilty result if that was the case.
Unvote, Vote: Visorslash
Montmorency
07-09-2012, 14:41
Funny maths.
Sane, Macho, Paranoid, Insane. The last two are worthless: 50%.
Funny maths.
Sane, Macho, Paranoid, Insane. The last two are worthless: 50%.
Gah. Yes, you are correct. Paranoid does not actually give useful results (but Insane does if you can figure it out).
Still, 50% is good chances, low risk.
Funny maths.
Sane, Macho, Paranoid, Insane. The last two are worthless: 50%.
Not true. If you scan a happen to scan a mafioso as a paranoid detective (and, importantly, you don't know you're paranoid), then you're still correct. It doesn't matter that you're right for the wrong reasons, only that you're right.
I will say what is macho policeman in this game (if he is here...).
Macho policeman: gets correct results of scans; if he is protected, his scanning ability does not work for this night (protection acts additionally as a roleblocking at him)
johnhughthom
07-09-2012, 15:18
No, you can't ~:)
List of possible roles is included in first post
:laugh4:
Love your deadpan posting style, Jarema. :yes:
Montmorency
07-09-2012, 15:19
What do we want to look at? We want to know the probability of Visor being scum based on the result.
There are 4 possible roles, and two always give a valid result.
A third - insane - gives an opposite result, so a guilty result would indicate a 0% chance.
The fourth - paranoid - always gives the same result, so we'll take your figure for random and give it a 3/13 chance.
So 1.00*.25 + 1.00*.25 + .23*.25 = .5575 = about 56% chance.
Happy?
Not true. If you scan a happen to scan a mafioso as a paranoid detective (and, importantly, you don't know you're paranoid), then you're still correct. It doesn't matter that you're right for the wrong reasons, only that you're right.
For our purposes, if JHT is a Paranoid Cop then his result on Visorslash has no bearing on whether or not he's mafia. Whereas Sane and Macho mean for sure that he's mafia, and Insane means the opposite. So technically the chances for Visorslash being mafia come out to 50% + (25% * 3/13). But that is so close to 50% that it would be annoying to insinuate it's a significant difference, especially after all those other times that my math was wrong and I was corrected.
EDIT: Pirate Ninja Robot Zombie'd.
johnhughthom
07-09-2012, 15:21
Stop turning mafia into maths!
EDIT: Pirate Ninja Robot Zombie'd.
Hey! Stop cross-promoting!
It looks like you guys are correct on that, but it of course still gives us a much better than random chance of catching scum if we lynch Visor.
Also JHT, don't you know that maths is fun? :beam:
I agree with the Visorslash lynch
Vote:Visorslash
John's results are still better than lynching randomly IMO.
Tally:
Visorslash: johnhughtom, Edse, Zaccino, Atheotes, Ishmael, BSmith, Chaotix, Memnon,
Atheotes: Visorslash,
Zaccino: The King
Chaotix: Arjos
Not voting: Robbiecon, Daveshack
Visorslash was lynched!
He was mafia member! He was the informant
Night 2 begins.
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3. Chaotix
4. BSmith
5. Robbiecon
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9. Ishmael
10. The King
11. Atheotes
12. classical hero replaced by johnhughtom
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
Fancy that John was right ^^
johnhughthom
07-09-2012, 22:33
Fancy that, John is gonna die... :laugh4:
Unless a clever townie has figured out a protection ability they can use on me.
Ugh, I still have no clue, just the number...
Still imo Visor got bussed today and I have my few suspects...
At the beginning of day, two bodies were found.
Atheotes was a townie. He was a doctor.
The King was a townie. He was a curious guy.
Day 3 begins.
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3. Chaotix
4. BSmith
5. Robbiecon
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9. Ishmael
10.
11.
12. classical hero replaced by johnhughtom
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
johnhughthom
07-10-2012, 23:13
:juggle2:
Any results for me?
Vote: Memnon
Two persons visited johnhughtom last night, atheotes and Memnon.
robbiecon
07-10-2012, 23:41
I am the Monkey. I receive a result that some random person is innocent.
My two innocents returned are Memnon and edse.
I will provisionally Vote: DaveShack, as I need to vote to prevent being WOG'd. If john gets a result, I'll follow that.
Montmorency
07-10-2012, 23:45
Oly ell.
John, what's the scoop? Let's wrap this one right up.
I know John's role lol
He's town, but a funny one :D
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 00:05
Skitzo?
Montmorency
07-11-2012, 00:37
Huh? John can only be macho, sane, or paranoid - a 70%+ chance.
We need to hear your findings.
Montmorency
07-11-2012, 00:51
If you mean insane, well, he's clearly not...
If you don't mean insane, then, what the heck is a "skitzo" cop?
robbiecon
07-11-2012, 00:58
This is Jarema's description of Skitzo:
a. Skitzo (at random: protects, attacks, scans, roleblocks his target)
which could explain why we had two deaths last night.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 01:04
I didn't target either of the people killed, though it could have been redirected.
Montmorency
07-11-2012, 01:12
Alright, I see.
However, the deciding factor would be this: did any notice regarding your action come to you, John?
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 01:24
No results for me. Whether deliberate or not, I have no idea. :shrug:
robbiecon
07-11-2012, 01:29
It seems quite possible then that you were redirected jht, and had performed a kill, as per your now seemingly likely Skitzo role.
I have no intention on lynching you john, I would just take caution with using the ability, as it can be a bit of a loose cannon.
Montmorency
07-11-2012, 01:35
Well, try it again tonight and we'll get to the bottom of this. However, your survival indicates that, well atheotes protected you, which strongly implies that you did indeed kill as a schitzo.
Robbie - Monkey (Memnon and edse are innocent)
Edse - Watcher (Memnon and Atheotes the doctor visited John)
John - Skitzo or Cop
DaveShack
07-11-2012, 05:23
I have a single target role, having targeted The King N1 and Memnon N2. But I have no idea what the role does, it just says "successful".
No results for me. Whether deliberate or not, I have no idea. :shrug:
Sorry. I thought I PMed results to you.
Fixed.
Yeah, I think I redirected your action john, I thought someone was coming to kill you, and I know I have a two target ability. I'm still not sure what it is though
Montmorency
07-11-2012, 06:57
Sorry. I thought I PMed results to you.
Yeah, I think I redirected your action john, I thought someone was coming to kill you, and I know I have a two target ability. I'm still not sure what it is though
Big stuff.
atheotes
07-11-2012, 07:08
now that i am dead, am i allowed to post? actions/discuss my results?
Er, sorry guys, I killed The King. Seeing as I have a no-target role and The King was a Curious Guy (and not involved in the lynch), I believe I must be an insane vigilante. Probably best if I refrain from using my night action from now on.
now that i am dead, am i allowed to post? actions/discuss my results?
As per standard rules. You can post here and scumhunt, but you cannot reveal anything that is not in this thread already
I suppose I ought to actually vote in the day phase.
vote: BSmith
Been fairly quiet, and jumped on the Visorslash wagon when his lynch was inevitable (yes, I know I did too). That's all I've got unfortunately.
atheotes
07-11-2012, 12:04
Yeah, I think I redirected your action john, I thought someone was coming to kill you, and I know I have a two target ability. I'm still not sure what it is though
who did you switch it to?
There's a lot of things going on at once here. I want to abstain for now and see what john turns up, but I'm putting down a placeholder vote for now.
Vote: Ishmael
Honestly, night action defense sounds like a perfect scum cover role in this game. Also, placeholder. I don't really have any big case on you Ishmael (yet).
atheotes
07-11-2012, 13:43
He's skitzo :P
how did you get that? and who else did u get?
robbiecon
07-11-2012, 14:06
I can't help but agree with you Chaotix, really.
What are your night results johnhughthom?
how did you get that? and who else did u get?
Result PM? XD
I was blocked N1 and N0 tried to use an ability without target, which wasn't the case; so atm JHT's is the only one I know...
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 14:19
I used my ability on Arjos last night and it was succesful. So the Skitzo sounds right.
Ok, if I'm getting this right:
-johnhughthom used his ability on Arjos and succeeded, but was not given a scan result. This means he either roleblocked or protected him, because:
-Arjos is a role scanner, or Arjos was targeted by the Oracle and given johnhughthom's information in an insane coincidence. Those are really the only two explanations for how he could get john's information.
DaveShack
07-11-2012, 16:19
If jht was bus driven with someone, then the skitzo role goes with whomever the other half of the busdrive was. Memnon needs to reveal the other target.
Or, I may have blocked Memnon, in which case the skitzo role for jht is accurate.
Followup to Chaotix's reasoning on Ishmael, the claim by Robbiecon of monkey is a perfect scum claim, because the scum would know who all the innocents are.
For now, I'll vote: Ishmael but would be willing to switch if others would prefer a different suspect.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 16:24
I must be a Skitzo though Dave, one night I got a scan result, the next night I got a successful result, the only role that fits the two different results is Skitzo.
DaveShack
07-11-2012, 16:30
Which means either Memnon's role is not busdriver, or my role is one of the roles which include blocking -- roleblock or jailkeep.
Exactly what did Memnon and Dave claim to be? XD
DaveShack
07-11-2012, 16:40
I reviewed the role list, and incidentally the player list. I'm not a jailkeep as we already lost one of those. All I know is that it's a single target, my targets don't die, and I don't get notified of what happened, if anything. :dizzy2:
Who were your targets last night then?
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 16:41
I reviewed the role list, and incidentally the player list. I'm not a jailkeep as we already lost one of those. All I know is that it's a single target, my targets don't die, and I don't get notified of what happened, if anything. :dizzy2:
Bodyguard?
DaveShack
07-11-2012, 16:42
My target was Memnon -- I posted that once already.
If jht was bus driven with someone, then the skitzo role goes with whomever the other half of the busdrive was. Memnon needs to reveal the other target.
Incorrect. The Bus Driver switches who gets hit, not who does the hitting. So JHT's action would have remained the same, but any actions targeting him would have gone to the player he switched with. This is not consistent with JHT's and Arjos' results last night, so it couldn't have happened. Likewise, the Taxi Driver would also not be consistent. The Oracle is the only two-target role that fits here.
In all likelihood Memnon is the Oracle, and he targeted JHT first and Arjos second, sending JHT's role information to Arjos.
Since you targeted Memnon last night and were successful, it means you are not a Roleblocker. Can't be a Doctor since that was atheotes and he's dead. You are most likely a Protector/Bodyguard/CPR Doctor. Any other single-target roles would have given you feedback.
Hmmm...
That leaves Zack, Ish and BS...
Vote: BSmith
Any of you care to speak?
I'm either a Commuter or a Paranoid Gun Owner.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 17:37
Vote: Zack
Unvote; Vote: Zaccino it is XD
Pretty sure I am a gravedigger.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 18:06
Pretty sure I am a gravedigger.
Night actions?
atheotes
07-11-2012, 18:06
"c. Protector (protect against night actions other than attack)
d. Doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself),
e. Bodyguard (as doctor, but dies if succesfully protects someone)
f. CPR doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself ; if protected character is not attacked, he dies)"
Since i am a doctor, i must have died because someone attacked me. If that is not the case, i would lynch Memnon and Robbiecon :yes:
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 18:08
BSmith's claim would fit with your killing though, as you were part of the lynch vote the previous day.
Night actions?
Nothing yet beyond N1 when I learned that I couldn’t target anyone and that it was too early to use my ability.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 18:16
Nothing yet beyond N1 when I learned that I couldn’t target anyone and that it was too early to use my ability.
I take it you used it again last night though? It would fit with atheote's death.
atheotes
07-11-2012, 18:16
BSmith's claim would fit with your killing though, as you were part of the lynch vote the previous day.
i thought the grave digger could only have been cop, jailkeeper or informant on N2.
No. I haven't used it since. Probably will tonight though.
EDIT: Atheotes, I think you are right.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 18:19
:crazy: I was reading Judge Dread instead of gravedigger...
atheotes
07-11-2012, 18:22
Hmmm...
That leaves Zack, Ish and BS...
Vote: BSmith
Any of you care to speak?
Did i miss Chaotix's role claim?
2 Ishmael: Chaotix, DaveShack
2 Zack: johnhughtom, Arjos
1 Memnon: edse
1 DaveShack: robbiecon
1 BSmith: Ishmael
3 No Vote: atheotes, BSmith, Memnon
vote: chaotix. I don't remember seeing your claim either, and your "placeholder" vote on one of the lead candidates is kinda suspect.
Vote: Ishmael
:stare:
unvote, vote: Zaccino
As I say guys, I will be refraining from killing tonight. Keep that in mind when you say this is a perfect mafia cover role.
"c. Protector (protect against night actions other than attack)
d. Doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself),
e. Bodyguard (as doctor, but dies if succesfully protects someone)
f. CPR doctor (can protect one character against attack at night; cannot protect himself ; if protected character is not attacked, he dies)"
Since i am a doctor, i must have died because someone attacked me. If that is not the case, i would lynch Memnon and Robbiecon :yes:
Uh, question. Why should I be lynched? The Oracle thing makes sense and I don't think I'm scum. Although I do forget who I targeted last night with john, I know I targeted classical hero (who was replaced by john) and Nightbringer the night before, so I thought I had something to do with his death. Again, I don't know what's happening.
Whoops, forgot to vote, I'll go with Vote: edse, OMGUS
:stare:
unvote, vote: Zaccino
Brilliant defense.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 22:42
Unvote; Vote: Memnon
You forget who you targeted? Sooo difficult to find out, I'm sure.... :rolleyes:
It was Arjos.
Although I remember checking last night and it said Nightbringer again, I must've just opened the wrong message, and the sent items don't tell you the content, which is frustrating.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 22:53
There's an option in General Settings to save sent pms.
Unvote
Memnon's story checks out, otherwise I wouldn't have received your role John :)
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 23:00
Fair enough, back to Vote: Zaccino then.
vote: chaotix. I don't remember seeing your claim either, and your "placeholder" vote on one of the lead candidates is kinda suspect.
Well, that's because I didn't. And I don't plan on it, either. At least not until it's no longer useful.
I don't want to make you suspicious, but neither do I want to paint a target on my face. Really, knowing everybody's role is just great for organizational purposes, but I hope you've realized that by everyone claiming their own roles in-thread the mafia know exactly who to go for first.
Fair enough, back to Vote: Zaccino then.
No snarky one-liner? Zaccino is disappoint.
johnhughthom
07-11-2012, 23:45
Nah, I'm waiting for one of the bandwagoners to tell me what my case is, can't make a snarky one liner without one.
Montmorency
07-12-2012, 01:23
Well, that's because I didn't. And I don't plan on it, either. At least not until it's no longer useful.
I don't want to make you suspicious, but neither do I want to paint a target on my face. Really, knowing everybody's role is just great for organizational purposes, but I hope you've realized that by everyone claiming their own roles in-thread the mafia know exactly who to go for first.
Nonsense, if everyone reveals it will be quite easy to catch the Mafia in a lie. Anyway, there are only 2 or 3 nights left and JHT was always going to be the primary target.
Scum.
LYNCH CHAOTIX
atheotes
07-12-2012, 02:55
Uh, question. Why should I be lynched? The Oracle thing makes sense and I don't think I'm scum. Although I do forget who I targeted last night with john, I know I targeted classical hero (who was replaced by john) and Nightbringer the night before, so I thought I had something to do with his death. Again, I don't know what's happening.
this is what i said "Since i am a doctor, i must have died because someone attacked me. If that is not the case, i would lynch Memnon and Robbiecon"
As it has been mentioned, i visited John and protected him. I died. you also visited John. if i were not attacked by a different person, the only way i could have died was if my role is such that i would die on a succesful protection (the other protection roles except the doctor are like that i believe). It would mean you were attacking John and i died in his stead. :shrug:
Brilliant defense.
Vote: Ishmael
Brilliant case.
3 Ishmael: Chaotix, DaveShack, Zack
3 Zack: johnhughtom, Arjos, Ishmael
1 Memnon: edse
1 DaveShack: robbiecon
1 Chaotix: BSmith
1 edse: Memnon
Why don't we lynch Memnon instead? It's 1/3 chance that atheotes would die in case of a successful protection. Memnon also has a hard time keeping his story together, changing it over time so that it best fits what others have said.
Tally:
Ishmael: Chaotix, DaveShack, Zack
Zack: johnhughtom, Arjos, Ishmael
Memnon: edse
DaveShack: robbiecon
Chaotix: BSmith
edse: Memnon
I am glad that everyone voted today.
As there is a tie, I randomly selected one of tied players.
Ishmael was townie! He was insane vigilante
Night begins
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3. Chaotix
4. BSmith
5. Robbiecon
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. classical hero replaced by johnhughtom
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
Ishmael: town, insane vigilante. Lynched day 3
Hang on, according to the tally on page 4 The King wasn't a member of the Visorslash lynch. So if I were Judge Dread, how come I killed him?
...just realised, must have been a bus driver or something. Give me a moment to work out if this means anybody is lying.
Hang on, according to the tally on page 4 The King wasn't a member of the Visorslash lynch. So if I were Judge Dread, how come I killed him?
...just realised, must have been a bus driver or something. Give me a moment to work out if this means anybody is lying.
wait wait wait....
I will check if there is any mistake
Well
it was my mistake. You were really an insane vigilante.
Now, the strange part is how I confused it...
Yesterday, me and my wife had our wedding anniversary. And, we have 'tradition' of making each other some practical jokes during this day.
It seems that my wife (who knows mafia pretty well, and discussed this game with me before I started it) changed a little bit here and there in my word documents for this game (almost half of roles)... Fortunately, I also found old versions of these files in a catalogue named 'was this joke fun'
Now, I am only waiting for her to see what she published on her facebook account...
johnhughthom
07-12-2012, 13:11
Your wife sounds like an awesome gal. :bow:
That is pretty hilarious :beam: (well, maybe not for The King).
The day when he died, everything was as it should. The 'mistake' was introduced yesterday and resulted only in wrong role name I posted (there were other changes in my data, but they didnt surface here).
I am only grateful that it was seen now, not after the night. Fun is fun, but there was possibility of spoiling whole game for you, my dear players.
Ahahahahah, no harm no foul ^^
atheotes
07-12-2012, 17:18
exactly....no harm no foul :yes:
belated wishes!
i dont like the Chaotix and Daveshack votes....all in all some sloppy voting by the town.
jonhughtom was killed.
he was a townie! he was a skitzo.
Day 4 begins. Day will be a little longer, because I am going for a trip.
Living:
1. DaveShack
2. Edse
3. Chaotix
4. BSmith
5. Robbiecon
6. Memnon
7. Arjos
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. Zaccino
Dead:
Montmorency: town, cop. Lynched day 1.
Nightbringer: town, jailkeeper. Killed night 1.
Visorslash: mafia, informant. Lynched day 2.
The King: town, curious guy. Killed night 2
Atheotes: town, doctor. Killed night 2
Ishmael: town, insane vigilante. Lynched day 3
johnhughtom (previously classical hero): town, skitzo. Killed night 3
Vote: Arjos
Following bandwagons blindly.
Vote: Memnon The only one I've got anything on.
robbiecon
07-13-2012, 22:02
I can add that in addition to edse and Memnon, DaveShack is also innocent.
Vote: Zaccino, the other two who voted for him yesterday are confirmed innocents, and he voted for the third today.
Following bandwagons blindly.
Is that so Mr. Commuter?
Is that so Mr. Commuter?
Yes, it's exactly what you've been doing. I don't really understand what pointing out my role achieves, either. That's what I claimed.
robbiecon -- Where is it written that Arjos is a confirmed innocent? edse's the one voting for confirmed innocents, not me.
robbiecon
07-13-2012, 23:06
Yes, it's exactly what you've been doing. I don't really understand what pointing out my role achieves, either. That's what I claimed.
robbiecon -- Where is it written that Arjos is a confirmed innocent? edse's the one voting for confirmed innocents, not me.
Nowhere at all. I just feel of the two of you, that you seem the more likely to be mafia. The only other two options I could choose are Chaotix and BSmith, given my night results.
But you said I voted for a confirmed innocent.
Vote: Zaccino, the other two who voted for him yesterday are confirmed innocents, and he voted for the third today.
And why do you think I am mafia? Put reasoning behind your statements.
Montmorency
07-13-2012, 23:44
I'm not going to put up a claim sheet just yet, this being an extended day.
However, there are two possibilities:
Robbiecon is lying, in which case he is a scum partner with either edse or Memnon. Think the Memnon visit to John, atheotes death, etc.
Robbiecon is town and not being interfered with, in which case there are 4 confirmed innocents and the likeliest scum team is Zack & Chaotix.
There are 2 or 3 lynches left besides this one, so do as you will.
That's what I claimed.
Gah, so you did, that ruined my double check, grrrr...
Vote: robbiecon
Right now, either you or another I know is lying; worst case your death clears all those players and the last two lynches are a lock...
Yes, it's exactly what you've been doing.
For the record I haven't joined anything blindly: that day there were three suspects in my list and Ishmael's claim felt genuine to me, so I simply voted you...
Mainly because right after I asked for any of you to speak, you turned out asap with your claims, that seemed kinda forced...
While I acted during the night on the other suspect...
Now after this night I have confirmed data on you, all I need to do is finding out whether the source is lying or not...
Vote: Memnon The only one I've got anything on.
Vote: edse
What do you got on him?
Perhaps you should explaing yourself if you want people to vote with you.
atheotes
07-14-2012, 05:28
Vote: edse
What do you got on him?
Perhaps you should explaing yourself if you want people to vote with you.
Chaotix must be lynched....
Montmorency
07-14-2012, 06:03
CLAIM SHEET
Robbiecon - claims Monkey
*Didn't vote round Visor lynched
*Claims Edse, Memnon, and Daveshack innocent
Memnon - claims "two-target ability"
*Claims targeting of John and Arjos N2
*Claims to have targeted Classical and Nightbringer (killed) N1
*Suggested as an Oracle by Chaotix
*Visited John on the night Atheotes, a doctor, died
*8th on Visor wagon
Zaccino - claims "Commuter or Paranoid Gun Owner"
*3rd on Visor wagon
*Could also be a Gravedigger or spent Mayor
Edse - claims Watcher
*2nd on Visor wagon
*Claims Atheotes and Memnon visited John N2
Arjos - ?
*Voted Chaotix in round of Visor lynch
*Claims role-scan of JHT N2, yet was not one of his visitors
BSmith - Gravedigger
*6th on Visor wagon
Daveshack - claims "Single-target role"
*Targeted The King on N1, Memnon on N2
*Can only be a roleblocker, bodyguard, or protector
Chaotix - No claim
*7th on Visor wagon
Notes: *On N1, one kill
*On N2, 2 kills
*On N3, 1 kill
*Ishmael, lynched D3, was an insane Vig so could be responsible for N1 and one of N2 kill(s)
*JHT was a skitzo and possibly killed someone N2, after scanning N1; he was killed N3
*Taking this into consideration, who could be responsible for the N3 kill of JHT but Mafia? And yet it doesn't seem as though the Mafia killed on the first three nights, for some reason
*This leads me to believe that JHT was cursed by a Witch and the scum do not have a formal NK; did anyone visit John last night?
Witch – you put a curse on your target. If your target is visited by anyone else than mafia during the same night, he dies. Both doctors (and all their variants) and protectors will protect against this ability.
*Note that Atheotes was a Doctor and not a bodyguard, meaning that he did not "take" JHT's attack though JHT's skitzo on that night may have been redirected on him; this is evidence against Memnon having attempted an NK against JHT that night
*How could John's skitzo have been redirected onto Atheotes if no one seems to be a bus driver? At any rate, I couldn't find a statement by JHT as to his actual target on N2 (Is that anywhere in the thread?)... Unless this can be resolved, the possibility of a Mafia team-kill remains
Whose role have you assumed, BSmith?
What are your results for last night, Edse?
Whom did you target last night, Dave?
Whom did you target last night, Memnon?
Will you make a formal claim, Arjos? Same goes for Chaotix.
My recommendation is to lynch Chaotix today, and Robbiecon tomorrow, unless he nails scum today.
I bet the Mafia have a Witch, so be careful tonight.
Lynch Chaotix for his disposition this game, as well as:
Well, that's because I didn't. And I don't plan on it, either. At least not until it's no longer useful.
I don't want to make you suspicious, but neither do I want to paint a target on my face. Really, knowing everybody's role is just great for organizational purposes, but I hope you've realized that by everyone claiming their own roles in-thread the mafia know exactly who to go for first.
just before JHT's death. Sic 'em, boys.
Yeah... I forgot my night orders lady night. What with work, cross country pre-season, and hanging out I was not available for mafia. Sorry guys. Also it appears that my laptop is missing, so I guess it's up to the phone for the next few days.
I'm the Commuter, Montmorency.
Definitive role-claims from Arjos and Chaotix would be nice.
Montmorency
07-14-2012, 06:44
I simply put down your own statement.
Given everything, the only non-scum roles that Arjos and Chaotix could be are: Role Scanner; Mayor; any two-target role; Blocker, Protector or Bodyguard
Edit: Well, certainly they could also be one of two other "fake-claimed" roles, if they are not both scum. Ok, so maybe that wasn't worth much.
...
TELL US YOUR ROLES
*Ishmael, lynched D3, was an insane Vig so could be responsible for N1 and one of N2 kill(s)
Nope, I only killed The King. I don't think I'm allowed to state my specific actions, but I can tell you that.
As for who to lynch, discounting all the claims flying back and forth, Chaotix has seemed the most scummy based on posting to me. It might be worth it for the surviving townies to reread his posts and see what they make of him.
I see two candidates for the lynch, Memnon or robbiecon.
Memnon
-Visited jht and atheotes that was protecting him died.
-If Mafia: robbiecon's claim, that already feels to good to be true, is false and he should be lynched next
-If Town: robbiecon is as good as cleared together with me and DaveShack. That will be 3 out of 7 when the night begins.
robbiecon
-If Mafia: Memnon should be lynched next
-If Town: I, Memnon and DaveShack are as good as cleared. 3 out of 7.
robbiecon
07-14-2012, 13:16
Unvote; Vote: Chaotix
I'm going to trust Zaccino for now, and the only way to force a claim is to put some votes on a player.
Montmorency
07-14-2012, 13:32
Alright, my final contribution to this game. I won't be around to see how Chaotix flips.
I see two candidates for the lynch, Memnon or robbiecon.
Yes, I did say to consider a Robbie lynch tomorrow. If he is guilty, Memnon surely is as well. That will wrap the game up if true. For now, let's accumulate a 4th potential innocent.
Today, however, Chaotix must be considered. His scummy behavior and lack of claim...
Finally, I will FoS Arjos for failing to claim and for being a butterfly about the discussion.
Now after this night I have confirmed data on you, all I need to do is finding out whether the source is lying or not...
Explain this immediately. What source, Chaotix? No one else could have gathered info on Zack, given that we have heard the rest of the claims. Are you saying Chaotix is a role scanner here?
BSmith, Edse, and Dave need to put up their latest night actions ASAP.
Possible scum teams: *Robbie & Memnon
*Arjos & Chaotix
Note that Mafia would love to get a Commuter lynched.
BSmith, Edse, and Dave need to put up their latest night actions ASAP.
I'm going to Vote: Chaotix as well, no reveal=scummy.
BSmith, Edse, and Dave need to put up their latest night actions ASAP.
Nobody visited the person I watched. I won't say who to make it harder for the mafia to claim.
2 Chaotix: robbiecon, Memnon
1 Arjos: Zaccino
1 Memnon: edse
1 robbiecon: Arjos
1 edse: Chaotix
2 No Vote: BSmith, DaveShack
I never claimed role-scanner, it was hinted that the Oracle sent that to me and I believe that person is Memnon...
I'm a recruiter, unfortunately I can't be certain whether I'm the mason or neighbour one, so I'm not 100% sure of the people I've recruited so far...
Note that Mafia would love to get a Commuter lynched.
And who was still voting for him after last night's scan? XD
I never claimed role-scanner, it was hinted that the Oracle sent that to me and I believe that person is Memnon...
I'm a recruiter, unfortunately I can't be certain whether I'm the mason or neighbour one, so I'm not 100% sure of the people I've recruited so far...
And who was still voting for him after last night's scan? XD
If I am the oracle (which makes sense), then yes, I can confirm that John and Arjos were my targets.
Memnon did you target two more players last night?
Also we really need you to scan robbie and send his role to someone you trust...
BTW edse, you should really stop wasting your vote on the Oracle...
You confirmed he visited and that night I got JHT's role, and both John and Memnon confirmed this...
Finally, I will FoS Arjos for failing to claim and for being a butterfly about the discussion.
That was because recieving 2 result PMs the first night I succeeded, confused me and I was still trying to figure out my role...
Read post #215, it's my bad.
DaveShack
07-14-2012, 17:30
My n3 target was edse. Still no information that really helps.
Vote: Chaotix
Unvote, Vote: robbiecon
Don't really want to die just yet.
Anyway, you want my role, you've got it: I am the Role Scanner. I had hoped to reveal with a full list of players and their roles to bedazzle all of you, but you'll have to make do with what I've got so far.
Tell me if you want it or not. Once it's out, the mafia can use it to their advantage.
Memnon did you target two more players last night?
Also we really need you to scan robbie and send his role to someone you trust...
BTW edse, you should really stop wasting your vote on the Oracle...
You confirmed he visited and that night I got JHT's role, and both John and Memnon confirmed this...
That was because recieving 2 result PMs the first night I succeeded, confused me and I was still trying to figure out my role...
Have you figured it out yet? Who did you target last night?
Have you figured it out yet? Who did you target last night?
At the moment Chaotix and BSmith, but as I said unfortunately I could be both neighbour (recruits mafia aswell, without knowing) or mason (dies if recruiting mafia), so I can't be 100% certain of them...
At the moment Chaotix and BSmith, but as I said unfortunately I could be both neighbour (recruits mafia aswell, without knowing) or mason (dies if recruiting mafia), so I can't be 100% certain of them...
What? Did you target 2 persons?
Nope, BSmith last night and Chaotix the one before...
BTW edse, you should really stop wasting your vote on the Oracle...
You confirmed he visited and that night I got JHT's role, and both John and Memnon confirmed this...
Can you explain your vote on robbiecon a bit better then. You believe both mine and Memnon's story about night 2 so why do you doubt that robbiecon is telling the truth?
why do you doubt that robbiecon is telling the truth?
Because we had both Dave and Chaotix vote Ishmael and I'm afriad robbie could be sending out innocents name at random (if he's mafia, he knows exactly who is clear), gaining general trust and maybe putting his partner's name in the list...
On the other hand Chaotix, could've been feeding me lies, but Zack's claim is clear (even though he posted two possibilities before the scan, so it's a bit flimsy) and he also scanned me as a mason...
I don't think they are partners (Chaotix and robbie), so as I said worst case with robbie, we clear three names (right now I believe Memnon's story, you could be the mafia that gets messages for all I know), but if robbie is mafia, we still have a role-scanner, instead of a monkey (which is random)...
Day is long and I could really vote for any of the two...
Though thinking about it, Chaotix's reveal tells me that BSmith is town and that I can recruit only innocents: so maybe in the end it's the same story...
Because we had both Dave and Chaotix vote Ishmael and I'm afriad robbie could be sending out innocents name at random (if he's mafia, he knows exactly who is clear), gaining general trust and maybe putting his partner's name in the list...
On the other hand Chaotix, could've been feeding me lies, but Zack's claim is clear (even though he posted two possibilities before the scan, so it's a bit flimsy) and he also scanned me as a mason...
I don't think they are partners (Chaotix and robbie), so as I said worst case with robbie, we clear three names (right now I believe Memnon's story, you could be the mafia that gets messages for all I know), but if robbie is mafia, we still have a role-scanner, instead of a monkey (which is random)...
Day is long and I could really vote for any of the two...
Though thinking about it, Chaotix's reveal tells me that BSmith is town and that I can recruit only innocents: so maybe in the end it's the same story...
Memnon could very well have been lynched if robbiecon hadn't said that he was innocent, leading to suspicions towards me if Memnon turned out to be innocent. So you can regard robbiecon as cleared if you think Memnon is innocent, then DaveShack and me as well. Chaotix is a scanner and Zaccino and BSmith are cleared by him. That leaves only one candidate Unvote: Vote Arjos
Chaotix is a scanner ... and BSmith are cleared by him.
How since he never scanned him once?
Edit: not to mention, what mafia role creates QTs (beside role-stealer, but no recruiter was killed so far) and can invite people in it? Why are you making that stuff up? Why don't you want to lynch robbie?
Though thinking about it, Chaotix's reveal tells me that BSmith is town and that I can recruit only innocents: so maybe in the end it's the same story...
How since he never scanned him once?
Did I misunderstand you?
Edit: not to mention, what mafia role creates QTs (beside role-stealer, but no recruiter was killed so far) and can invite people in it? Why are you making that stuff up? Why don't you want to lynch robbie? I want him lynched but I think Memnon is the better option. I more unsure of your reasoning and that's why I ask you this.
Did I misunderstand you?
Yes, you did, Chaotix scanned me and found out I'm a mason recruiter (which means, if I recruit mafia I die), then he scanned Zack as a commuter; while I recruited BSmith...
Now I don't fully trust Chaotix, but if he's lynched and turns out to be a role-scanner as he claims: me, BSmith and Zack are confirmed innocents...
If robbie is lynched and turns out to be a monkey: you, Memnon (who I already cleared) and DaveShack are confirmed innocents...
Either of the two is a fine lynch by me, atm I know more about Chaotix, that's why I'm voting robbie; plus the latter has been around for a while since his claim, and to me it's weird the mafia is leaving him alive to clear more and more people (if that's really the case)...
Bottom line: this day or the next one, by lynching any of the two we will get a mafia and clear a LOT of players; any other vote is wasted...
I used my ability last night. I am confirmed as the gravedigger. I pick three roles today during the day and I'll be one of them starting tonight.
vote: robbiecon
Ok, I went back the QT and although Chaotix claims to have scanned me the very night I recruited him, it took him few posts before informing me and I just don't understand why a role-scanner with a result PM would ever do that...
Instead he was quite confused and interested, asking questions, so I'm going to Unvote; Vote: Chaotix and invite everyone to do so...
I'm changing my vote on him, because he now claims to have scanned two other players, during very first two night phases and both are now dead (very easy picks and the timing for their disclosure is just suspicious), but one of them was Ishmael and he just didn't inform me or the town about his claim as insane vigilante. Ishmael cooperating and desiring to stop sending orders, makes me think they he just wanted to get rid of him...
Right now I don't have any indication that BSmith might be his partner, but by exclusion that's the only explanation...
Unless he and robbie tried the scheme of the century by claiming two scanning roles and splitting the town in two factions (honestly this is a bit too much lol)...
Unvote: Vote: robbiecon
Tally
4 Chaotix: robbiecon, Memnon, DaveShack, Arjos
1 Arjos: Zaccino
3 robbiecon: Chaotix, BSmith, edse
Ok, I went back the QT and although Chaotix claims to have scanned me the very night I recruited him, it took him few posts before informing me and I just don't understand why a role-scanner with a result PM would ever do that...
Instead he was quite confused and interested, asking questions, so I'm going to Unvote; Vote: Chaotix and invite everyone to do so...
I'm changing my vote on him, because he now claims to have scanned two other players, during very first two night phases and both are now dead (very easy picks and the timing for their disclosure is just suspicious), but one of them was Ishmael and he just didn't inform me or the town about his claim as insane vigilante. Ishmael cooperating and desiring to stop sending orders, makes me think they he just wanted to get rid of him...
Right now I don't have any indication that BSmith might be his partner, but by exclusion that's the only explanation...
Unless he and robbie tried the scheme of the century by claiming two scanning roles and splitting the town in two factions (honestly this is a bit too much lol)...
What? You're not making any sense.
I played dumb in the quicktopic because I was suspicious of you at first.
Then I looked at your behavior in the thread and it seemed pretty town-like, so I decided to trust you.
Now I'm starting to change my mind.
I played dumb in the quicktopic because I was suspicious of you at first.
That's exactly it, why would a role-scanner, with 100% intel, ever do that?
And even now, knowing that I made that QT and used my ability to recruit you, why would you ever suspect me?
Your story just doesn't check out...
Are you claiming a role-scanner, who scanned me as a recruiter mason, but was wrong? XD
Unvote, Vote: Chaotix
Your story has more holes than swiss cheese.
That's exactly it, why would a role-scanner, with 100% intel, ever do that?
And even now, knowing that I made that QT and used my ability to recruit you, why would you ever suspect me?
Your story just doesn't check out...
Are you claiming a role-scanner, who scanned me as a recruiter mason, but was wrong? XD
Role scanners can't scan for alignment.
All I got was your role.
Is there something wrong with my line of reasoning here? Just because I know your role doesn't mean you can't be scum. That is why I played dumb.
Not like it matters now, looks like you've been quite skillful into manipulating the town into lynching me. This should be good. You are the recruiting mason, going to get together a nice large group of confirmed townies. Meanwhile, you are the scum, leading them to their doom. Perfect.
Role scanners can't scan for alignment.
All I got was your role.
Think again:
List of possible mafia roles:
1. Yakuza - once per game, you can 'yak': you commit suicide, and your target becomes mafia. if you are protected while 'yakking' you survive.
2. Silencer – your target cannot post anything other than his vote during next day. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
3. Framer – for all scanners, your target will appear mafia.
4. Blackmailer – you decide for who your target will vote during next day. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
5. Role-stealer – if your target dies during the same night, you get his role.
6. Informant – you got copies of all messages that your target gets from me at the end of the night. You cannot use this ability on the same person twice in a row.
7. Witch – you put a curse on your target. If your target is visited by anyone else than mafia during the same night, he dies. Both doctors (and all their variants) and protectors will protect against this ability.
I would like to explain, as this may be due to my poor english:
Quote from opening post:
Mafia will also get a power role; these roles would be chosen from the same list, but with some restrictions (for example, no mafia mayor). One or more mafia member will get a role from special list of mafia roles.
If there would be a cult, there will be three additional possible roles.
It means that mafia member can have almost every town role, but also he can have a special, mafia-only role.
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