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Yay!
I figured this move would be beneficial.
Obvious gamebreaking idea is obvious. Still, we got some data.
Unless (unlikely) that they can steal as well as perform their regular action. I doubt it though.
In this case, the roleblock of Ishmael isn't supportive of any particular theory. In the next few nights, a repeated roleblock might have an effect.
Ishmael wasn't blocked last night, anyways.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 00:30
Suspects list
Lowest risk:
Diana Abnoba- Protecting her gold last night, as the writeup says.
issaikhaan- stealing gold last night from Diana
TinCow- Stealing gold last night from Zaccino
Zaccino- Unconvert-able while Captain, and protecting his gold last night from Tincow
Askthepizzaguy- I can be found stealing treasure two nights ago. The person I stole treasure from is still alive. I can tell you who I stole from and how much treasure. They can confirm.
BSmith- unconvert-able while Quartermaster
[B]NinjaCow64- unconvert-able while First mate
Next:
Members of the Four Horsemen while they were doing the kill were not investigating or converting. Not completely bulletproof but something other than zero.
Four Horsemen: [B]Chaotix, etc, etc, ACIN?
Remainders: [meaning: SOMEONE IN THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED]
Andres
autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Double A
edse
El Barto
God Emperor
Ironside
Ishmael
JoanK
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
Memnon
Thermal
Tiaexz
Visorslash
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 00:33
If you lynch randomly from that group, odds are near 1:4 that you hit a Guardacosta today. That's pretty decent.
Beskar was blocked last night, so while he could be a convert, he's not an original.
Waiting on scan results for two others on that list...
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 00:43
Three originals, two offering letters of marque, so.... are we overlooking something? The third could have been doing whatever.
Unlikely they were doing anything besides investigating, the head guy is too important to get involved in vigilantism (might get asked to do it every night and then they're boned) and we know for sure the other two were offering letters.
So that means it's extremely improbable that the folks with alibis are originals.
Beskar was blocked last night, so while he could be a convert, he's not an original.
Waiting on scan results for two others on that list...
Could be Lieutenant though.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 00:53
Every member of the Four Horsemen is highly unlikely to be an original Guardacosta, upon further reflection.
1) Busy last night, (I take it)
2) Would be expected to vig kill over and over. Not good for the starting Spanish.
Since we win with just the starting Spanish caught, I'm ignoring converts except for the case of who cannot be a convert due to game limitations.
Since the Four are at least partially public, they can police their own and should be able to form a voting bloc to prevent their deaths.
Also glad to see an inactive dead. Good choice by the Four.
edit- and yes, he could be Lieutenant. But, eliminating him as an option for the other two is still useful data.
Our best lynches are folks who can possibly be any of the three starting Spanish, for greatest odds of success.
*looks back at rules*
The Spanish lieutenants can:
kill working in pairs
offer a Letter of Marque by themself
able to "hide flawlessly in protection groups," whatever that means (just that they can participate in group actions?)
The Spanish officer can:
do everything the lieutenants can
scan two peeps per night to determine susceptibility
Spanish converts can:
same as lieutenants
Note: The Spanish automatically lose if all three originals are killed.
With that in mind, the following seems pretty clear:
The original Spanish lieutenants were working in protection groups and/or stealing the first two nights, since there were no mafia kills either of those nights and they are able to "hide flawlessly in protection groups"
The Spanish officer has been acting on his own every night. This eliminates a lot of people.
The lieutenants were recruiting last night.
The converts can be anyone except myself and my officers, even people like TinCow and Diana who were publicly stealing gold.
Eliminating the three original Spanish is our focus. Killing off converts is nice, but ultimately a distraction.
Every member of the Four Horsemen is highly unlikely to be an original Guardacosta, upon further reflection.
1) Busy last night, (I take it)
2) Would be expected to vig kill over and over. Not good for the starting Spanish.
Since we win with just the starting Spanish caught, I'm ignoring converts except for the case of who cannot be a convert due to game limitations.
Since the Four are at least partially public, they can police their own and should be able to form a voting bloc to prevent their deaths.
Also glad to see an inactive dead. Good choice by the Four.
edit- and yes, he could be Lieutenant. But, eliminating him as an option for the other two is still useful data.
Our best lynches are folks who can possibly be any of the three starting Spanish, for greatest odds of success.
Lurker kill squad. :sweetheart: One can hope.
There are a lot of us who can be possibly starting Spanish, I'd be inclined to take JHT off that list though.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 01:00
Because the officer can do the same as his lieutenants, the following is not necessarily true:
The lieutenants were recruiting last night.
Because the officer could have done it and one lieutenant could have been doing something else. Would be nicer, cleaner to fit everything together so neatly but that possibility is not eliminated.
I think it's a lot more likely that the officer was scanning people to determine susceptibility, rather than wasting time doing actions his underlings can perform.
Askthepizzaguy- I can be found stealing treasure two nights ago. The person I stole treasure from is still alive. I can tell you who I stole from and how much treasure. They can confirm.
However, with the lack of mafia kills, this doesn't actually make you 'low risk'. It doesn't really clear you of much. Stealing is a good alibi, for both town and scum.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 01:05
Lurker kill squad. :sweetheart: One can hope.
There are a lot of us who can be possibly starting Spanish, I'd be inclined to take JHT off that list though.
I would be interested to hear people's thoughts regarding taking people "off that list".
Most of us might have reasons to be taken off the list or know that they were stolen from on earlier nights and it would be neat to match the target with the thief. If the night and gold amount matches, I'd be inclined not to lynch them today. That inclination will decrease as time goes on, but it's worth noting here.
The Spanish will have, up until now, been rather disinclined to steal. If my instincts are correct.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 01:08
Stealing is a good alibi, for both town and scum.
I doubt the Spanish would have been stealing N1 or N2.
Being caught stealing will result in ill will from fellow crewmates and possibly result in death by vigilantism.
I doubt the Spanish would have been stealing N1 or N2.
Being caught stealing will result in ill will from fellow crewmates and possibly result in death by vigilantism.
I doubt that. No-one is going to hunt people down for losing (max 20 gold).
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 01:11
I doubt that. No-one is going to hunt people down for losing (max 20 gold).
I would. :wink:
This is not just town versus Spanish. It's also pirate V pirate.
If you aren't thinking that way, then you're going to lose the game.
Captain Zackbeard clears his throat, calling for silence. The sailors, normally as rowdy and unruly as you'd expect pirates to be, all quiet themselves to listen to the Captain.
Sailors,
This is Captain Zackbeard speaking.
As you can see, the previous update all but guarantees I am town. I could not have been scanning for recruits or converting people, because I was publicly revealed to be guarding my stash of moola. Furthermore, I cannot be converted while Captain, so I am not a convert either. Therefore, I am 100% certifiably town. I'm a Captain you can trust, as well as an unkillable Captain.
The above also applies to my officers - the First Mate, NinjaCow, and the Quartermaster, BSmith. Both have dutifully followed orders, and in BSmith's case especially the targets of his blocks have admitted it before it was mentioned by any officer or myself. Officers cannot be converted. Therefore, BSmith is 100% certifiably town. NinjaCow64 is still almost certainly town, but I won't put it at 100% because I don't know what he was doing Nights 1 and 2.
You can trust Captain Zackbeard and his officers with your utmost loyalty. We're pirates, through and through, and there's a mountain of evidence to prove it.
Therefore, I am asking the following of you, loyal sailors and pirates:
Contact me, Zaccino, in private detailing all previous night actions you have taken, as well as all night actions inflicted on you over the course of the game.
If you were protecting Bob with Jim and Susie last night, I need to know. If you stole from Carlos last night, and Carlos confirms someone stole from him last night, I need to know. THIS HELPS NARROW DOWN THE SUSPECT LIST AND BACK THE SPANISH INTO AN INESCAPABLE CORNER.
As an act of good faith, I will now list all night actions the captain and his officers have taken over the course of the game:
Night 1:
Captain Zaccino guarded his treasure.
First Mate choxorn scanned Person X and Person Y.
Quartermaster BSmith blocked Horseman Chaotix. Chaotix can confirm.
Night 2:
Captain Zaccino guarded his treasure.
First Mate choxorn killed Arjos. choxorn was killed.
Quartermaster BSmith blocked Ishmael. Ishmael can confirm.
Night 3:
Captain Zaccino guarded his treasure. Confirmed in update.
First Mate NinjaCow64 scanned Person A and Person B.
Quartermaster BSmith blocked Tiaxez, who can confirm.
I will also give a small amount of gold to any sailor who discloses their night actions to me privately.
Additionally, I pledge to consider any and all suggestions for scans, night-kills, and roleblocks. In addition to that, I encourage players to try and steal my treasure. I will be guarding it every night, and attempting to steal it, and thus revealing yourself publicly, helps clear your name.
I swear that as long as I am Captain of this vessel, I will use every power at my disposal, every iota of analytical prowess, every bone in my body to find those disloyal to the Presence and eliminate them from our midst. I swear that as long as I am Captain of this vessel, I will give small monetary rewards to those who cooperate with the Captain and his officers in completing the previously stated mission. Anyone who wishes to donate to this reward fund is certainly welcome to do so.
I swear that as long as I draw breath, I will fight against our enemies and protect true pirates. On my word as your Captain. On my word as a pirate. I swear we will win this game.
Captain Zackbeard acknowledges the end of the speech with a nod of his head. "Go on and get back to accusing each other, you lazy bums, or I'll have you swabbing the poop deck!"
And I always pay in the following manner:
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GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2012, 01:31
All feedback PMs are now out.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 01:35
Dang, I should have waited five minutes to tell you my actions. :wall:
I'm a Captain you can trust, as well as an unkillable Captain.
Vote: Mutiny :stare:
Diana Abnoba
10-06-2012, 01:48
@ issaikhaan
:stare: I knew it was you. The next time, I will be quicker with my sword, and cut your hand clean off.:thwack:
El Barto
10-06-2012, 02:50
Now I'm not totally sure about this because I didn't understand all the events of the night before last, but it looks like what happened with Makrell wasn't an anomaly (someone who fails to steal gets their name revealed or something along those lines), though I will grant that he was acting incredibly weird to begin with.
OOC: You never bother to read Role PMs or game rules, why do you even join?
With that in mind, the following seems pretty clear:
(…) The converts can be anyone except myself and my officers, even people like TinCow and Diana who were publicly stealing gold.
Diana was guarding her gold, Cap'n.
I would be interested to hear people's thoughts regarding taking people "off that list".
THat it should be obviously done in me case, is a good thing.
The Spanish will have, up until now, been rather disinclined to steal. If my instincts are correct.
They just want to steal ye entire ship.
I will also give a small amount of gold to any sailor who discloses their night actions to me privately.
This bain't uninteresting. What and how much be ye offerin'? Plate always cometh in handy.
Captain Zackbeard acknowledges the end of the speech with a nod of his head. "Go on and get back to accusing each other, you lazy bums, or I'll have you swabbing the poop deck!"Heh-heh, poop deck.
Vote: Mutiny :stare:
Explain thy reasons for being disrespecting ye captain, sailor. Money-giving cap'ns are trustworthy folk, surely?
Double A
10-06-2012, 02:52
OOC: You never bother to read Role PMs or game rules, why do you even join?
I did read my PM and the rules, but I swear to glob, I did not understand what was happening with/to Makrell.
Diana Abnoba
10-06-2012, 02:59
To sum it up Double A; when he was attacked at night by Xenoneb, Xenoneb's name was exposed, so some thought that it was maybe a sign that he had a special role like the SK.
Seriously, PM me. I am as confirmed-town as any player could possibly be. Do you want to win this game or not?
El Barto
10-06-2012, 03:21
Everyone wants to win the game, Zaccino.
Take Andres, Beskar, and Ishmael off the list, Pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 03:38
Seriously, PM me. I am as confirmed-town as any player could possibly be. Do you want to win this game or not?
Patience me good Captain, patience. Ye must give folks time to read and respond to yer orders.
Pirates aint so good at readin anyway, as you've seen already
El Barto
10-06-2012, 03:43
Take Andres, Beskar, and Ishmael off the list, Pizza.
Be the reasons allowed to the public?
Should be obvious enough to anyone willing to put forth the effort for basic deduction from what I've posted.
Now PM me Bart.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 03:47
Remainders: [meaning: SOMEONE IN THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED]
Andres- Off list provisionally due to Captain
Ishmael- Off list provisionally due to Captain
Tiaexz- Off list provisionally due to Captain
autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Double A
edse
El Barto
God Emperor
Ironside
JoanK
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
Memnon
Thermal
Visorslash
Whittlin' it down. Who gets to die today....
a completely inoffensive name
10-06-2012, 03:54
You assume too many things Pizzaguy.
I don't think ACIN is a member of this game's horsemen group.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 03:56
You assume too many things Pizzaguy.
I'm giving it an honest attempt. Beats sitting back, doing nothing, and throwing rotten tomatoes at those attempting to do anything.
Also, I find it strange that you wouldn't try to be a horsemen in this game. Curious why you wouldn't be.
Got somethin better to do at night?
Unvote Mutiny
Vote: Memnon, would like to hear more from the not as prolific posters.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 04:52
Unvote Mutiny
Vote: Memnon, would like to hear more from the not as prolific posters.
So mutiny but swiftly backing down and going after lurkers, eh? Bad Visor.
So mutiny but swiftly backing down and going after lurkers, eh? Bad Visor.
In case the alcohol has destroyed your sense of humour, the mutiny was a response to Zack saying he was unkillable.
a completely inoffensive name
10-06-2012, 05:10
Got somethin better to do at night?
Yeah, got about 20 first order, ordinary linear differential equations to solve, a chemical engineering problem set to do, and 75 pages to read on the transition of humans from hunter gatherers to agriculture.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 05:46
OOC: Girls, stop fighting.
In case the alcohol has destroyed your sense of humour, the mutiny was a response to Zack saying he was unkillable.
Erm, nay, lack of alcohol be a destroyer of me sense of humour. Savvy?
I wouldn't call myself a lurker, I've been a wee bit busy recently, but I still post, usually around this time anyway. Anywho, so me scalawags, this be an interestin' turn of events, the Spaniards are growing and the horsemen haven't been living up to their name (aka not killing scum nearly every night, as accidental as it was). Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me, an' Vote:Visorslash, also OMGUS.
I was blocked last night when I was going to steal from Johnhughthom. You had to do it when I was wanting to steal from him. :cry:
Good move on Zack's part there.
Now he can't have a mutiny framed against him for being suspicious... the only real way that could fly is with an argument that he's doing a bad job.
But, you know, based on that move, kind of hard at least in the short run to say he's doing a bad job.
Vote: Kagemusha
For now. Haven't heard much from him yet, let's see if we can wake him up.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 08:51
Just want to note that I was sort of an idea man on this.
Yall didn't make me Captain, but that doesn't mean I don't speak to him. :wink:
Vote: El Barto donthave time
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 09:05
Vote: El Barto donthave time
Vote: edse
Make time.
NinjaCow64
10-06-2012, 12:17
Vote: El Barto donthave time
Ack, ew 'azy 'um! Eye tike thar tirrrme ta naught jarst randarmlahe varte fer sumunh! Eye 'ate 'azyness! Vote: edse as yarrrr still on the pizzapirate's list. Arrrrrrrr!
Vote: edse. If you don't have time, you take it from your sleep. But votes like that can't go unforgiven.
vote: JoanK no need to pile on so quickly. Looks like you might be trying to take advantage of edse's post and subsequent votes for him...
Vote: Lyra
Placeholder vote, no reason, completely random. If I get back in time to read this and make an informed vote, I will.
This is scummy:
Suspects list
Lowest risk:
Askthepizzaguy- I can be found stealing treasure two nights ago. The person I stole treasure from is still alive. I can tell you who I stole from and how much treasure. They can confirm.
ATPG knows as well as any of us that stealing N1 means nothing, yet he frames it as an alibi on par with those which resulted from N3. This is mafia-ATPG trying to hide amongst the semi-cleared. Townie-ATPG would have put himself in a different suspicion tier.
ATPG has also chosen a rather odd time to decide to dispose of our Captain. We just had a night when the Captain was confirmed to be guarding his treasure on a night when two of the three mafia were active. While the Captain could, theoretically, still be the third mafioso, it's looking very unlikely. As much as I really hate to support the same system that frustrated me so much in the first game, the townie in me says that the town would now be best served by keeping Zaccino as an officer permanently. Even those of us who were mostly cleared last night could be converted at some other point, but not Zaccino. He's the most pro-town player we have right now. Yet as soon as the night ended, ATPG wants a mutiny:
So honorable Pirate Lawyer. Or is it Lawyer Pirate?
I had been meaning to speak with ye. As one of yer loyal supporters in the Captaincy selection, I was dismayed to see your selection fail.
You have made plain your intentions to become Captain again. Obviously that means mutiny.
I have a group of folks I can talk into it, or talk out of it. Not many, by my usual standards, I be playin' this one closer to my chest and not engagin' in talk with half the ship like I always do.
But I have some supporters. I presume you still do as well.
The problem I see is that there are too many folks who won't even bother to vote still alive. If I understand it correctly, their presence counts as a vote against mutiny even if they don't vote. I am guessing that is your assessment as well.
What do you want me to do? Do you want me to foster mutinous sentiments sooner, later, or not at all?
Also ye needn't worry about offering me anything in return. I love gold, and being an officer might require me to do things that are all official and stuff, as opposed to guarding it.
The only people who should want to dislodge Zaccino right now are mafia/anti-town and those who want only fun and don't care about losing. ATPG's PM is clearly not of the latter type. He wants to dislodge Zaccino because he knows that Zaccino is about to become an very nasty thorn in his side. This is also consistent with his earlier behavior. ATPG was the person who told 'khaan that Zaccino wanted him dead, resulting in our protection of 'khaan on N2. That is consistent with ATPG attempting to nurture a mutiny (by keeping potential mutineers alive and friendly to him) for a prolonged period. Indeed, I've done nothing to further mutiny other than make a few public comments which were just for fun. ATPG, on the other hand, has been actively working for mutiny for multiple days. I suspect he is scum.
Vote: ATPG
I was also raising my eyebrows when ATPG came out with an alibi of stealing gold and protecting people, thereby taking himself off of his list, even after I explicitly said the Spanish lieutenants were most likely stealing gold and protecting people. Not to mention fostering insurrection and mutiny against an obviously pro-town Captain.
In other words, string him up.
Ironside
10-06-2012, 15:02
Vote: ATPG
Tincow got a good point and there's certainly potential to use for alibi creation.
I was also raising my eyebrows when ATPG came out with an alibi of stealing gold and protecting people, thereby taking himself off of his list, even after I explicitly said the Spanish lieutenants were most likely stealing gold and protecting people. Not to mention fostering insurrection and mutiny against an obviously pro-town Captain.
In other words, string him up.
Everyone takes themself of their list of scum, regardless of allegiance. And there be nothing particularly wrong with mutiny, there are a few things wrong with saying mutiny is a scum only action.
Everyone takes themself of their list of scum, regardless of allegiance. And there be nothing particularly wrong with mutiny, there are a few things wrong with saying mutiny is a scum only action.
You don't think there's anything suspicious about colluding to mutiny against a clearly pro-town Captain, while simultaneously kissing the Captain's ass? What possible reason is there to mutiny against me at this point?
Meanwhile, why do you refuse to elaborate on night actions, and why are you paying people to protect you at night?
EDIT: Plus, there's also the factor that many of his strongest accusers (Chaotix, TinCow, Andres) all have good alibis.
You don't think there's anything suspicious about colluding to mutiny against a clearly pro-town Captain, while simultaneously kissing the Captain's ass?
I don't see it as a Spanish action. I see it as a townie who wants gold. Why the hell would the Spanish take such an action that could obviously backfire and be useless.
What possible reason is there to mutiny against me at this point?
Besides the fact that you may indeed be Spanish, gold is also a factor. There may also be roles better suited to captaincy then you.
Meanwhile, why do you refuse to elaborate on night actions, and why are you paying people to protect you at night? I'll reveal my night actions to people I trust. You are not one of those people. And heaven forbid I want to survive a game. That last question of yours is rather self explanatory.
Bolded reply.
I don't see it as a Spanish action. I see it as a townie who wants gold. Why the hell would the Spanish take such an action that could obviously backfire and be useless.
Because I'm all but confirmed town? Isn't that obvious?
Besides the fact that you may indeed be Spanish, gold is also a factor. There may also be roles better suited to captaincy then you.
How could I possibly be Spanish? The lieutenants were recruiting, and the officer would be a fool to guard his gold rather than scan two people for conversion susceptibility. Plus, the Captain cannot be converted. And no townie in their right mind would risk replacing an assuredly town Captain with a possible scumbag/unknown.
I'll reveal my night actions to people I trust. You are not one of those people. And heaven forbid I want to survive a game. That last question of yours is rather self explanatory.
How can you trust anyone more than me at this point? Isn't gaining gold a significant goal in this game? Why would you give so much away as a safeguard when you're so unlikely to be attacked? Who would kill you at night right now? Further, dying as a vanilla townie isn't the end of the world or anything, either. It's not like you're a Horseman killing people, or an Officer performing important actions. As far as I know, you're not doing anything particularly productive at night.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:25
Nope, not Spanish. Just picked the wrong person to include in a mutiny, figured it was bound to happen eventually.
Why the change of heart, Tincow? You wanted the Captaincy.
You can't seriously believe that ONLY Spanish want a mutiny right now, or that it would be an altogether good idea for a Spanish to make the move to push the Captain overboard.
No, you're looking at a very gold-hungry townie. Zack's worth a lot of gold and I'm at that point where a little bit more gold would be really good for me.
Got my hand caught in the Captain's cookie jar is all. And no, I wouldn't make the allegation that the Captain is Spanish at this moment. Just got too much gold for his own good.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:27
You also have to figure, it was I who concocted the gold steal/guarding scheme to begin with.
I can play well for the town and mind my own gold totals at the same time. You folks seem to forget there's two competitions going on.
Because I'm all but confirmed town? Isn't that obvious? You're not confirmed town. Just not Guardacosta. Which I'll admit, makes you highly likely to be town.
How could I possibly be Spanish? And no townie in their right mind would risk replacing an assuredly town Captain with a possible scumbag/unknown. See above. Of course if the other choice for captain is a power role, they would be a better choice.
How can you trust anyone more than me at this point? Isn't gaining gold a significant goal in this game? Why would you give so much away as a safeguard when you're so unlikely to be attacked? Who would kill you at night right now? Further, dying as a vanilla townie isn't the end of the world or anything, either. It's not like you're a Horseman killing people, or an Officer performing important actions. As far as I know, you're not doing anything particularly productive at night.
Gaining gold is significant (hence why mutiny should be a viable option at some stage). I'll tell you what I want, when I want, and you can demand all you want, but I network the way I want, you do it the way you want. When do I survive to the endgame Zack?
As above.
I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town.
Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment.
And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain?
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:33
The only people who should want to dislodge Zaccino right now are mafia/anti-town and those who want only fun and don't care about losing. ATPG's PM is clearly not of the latter type. He wants to dislodge Zaccino because he knows that Zaccino is about to become an very nasty thorn in his side. This is also consistent with his earlier behavior. ATPG was the person who told 'khaan that Zaccino wanted him dead, resulting in our protection of 'khaan on N2. That is consistent with ATPG attempting to nurture a mutiny (by keeping potential mutineers alive and friendly to him) for a prolonged period. Indeed, I've done nothing to further mutiny other than make a few public comments which were just for fun. ATPG, on the other hand, has been actively working for mutiny for multiple days. I suspect he is scum.
Vote: ATPG
Oh yes, I'll admit to being quite the two-faced bugger toward the Captain.
He's the biggest pile of gold on the ship and the Captain at the same time. I'm gonna be very polite to his face while I also look for folks who want his gold.
:laugh4:
Tincow, you're forgetting who I am.
I am Askthepizzaguy. I will risk anything for the big win, in a game like this, I am not going to sit and wonder what it would be like to be rich, savvy?
I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town. Obsessively? :laugh4: If the offer for survival is there, I'll take it. Gold isn't much use dead.
Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment. No you're not.
And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain? I have a few people.
As above.
EDIT: Go look at ATPG mafia 2. I spent all my credits protecting myself, then stealing, to protect myself again. Go see TWC mafia where I protected myself correctly. I generally prefer to protect other people as doctor, but sometimes you just get a feeling you need to save yourself. I don't like dying in games, and protection is definitely a plus for me, as it stops people killing me, and gets a good alibi to those who are doing the protection.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:36
I've never seen you care so obsessively about your survival as town.
Why are you being so uncooperative? I'm not the enemy, here. I'm the town's best asset at the moment.
And again, who could you possibly trust more than the Captain?
I think Visorslash might be feeling mutinous as well, Captain. He's not going to give you a straight answer.
I admit it. I am working for a mutiny, and I love gold. The look of it, the shmell of it. The texture.
I love gold so much, I even lost my golden genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident and was given the nickname diamond junk.
They're still gold but they have diamonds on it now. Very sparkly.
All right, so you caught me. I'm a greedy bastard.
Is that all you have for me Captain, or do you HONESTLY see me as scum? Because you knew better when you, spontaneously, decided to protect me when I asked ZERO people in this game to protect me the last two nights as I taunted Andres to no end.
Maybe I'm too reckless for my own good, but you're seriously off your nuts and bolts if you think I'm scum Tincow.
Consider the following points:
1. Pirates care a great deal about gold.
2. Askthepizzaguy obviously cares a great deal about gold.
3. Visorslash does not care about gold.
4. Visorslash cares a great deal about his survival.
5. Visorslash is antagonistic towards and uncooperative with the obviously town Captain, and possibly mutinous, even though he does not care about gold.
6. Visorslash trusts several people more than the obviously town Captain.
Lynch Visorslash. I think we're barking up the wrong tree with Pizzaman. He's just reckless and gold-obsessed.
Consider the following three points:
1. Pirates care a great deal about gold.
2. Askthepizzaguy obviously cares a great deal about gold.
3. Visorslash does not care about gold.
4. Visorslash cares a great deal about his survival.
5. Visorslash is antagonistic towards and uncooperative with the obviously town Captain.
6. Visorslash trusts several people more than the obviously town Captain.
Lynch Visorslash. I think we're barking up the wrong tree with Pizzaman.
Pretty sure that's six points there.
Survival is more important then gold. Another reference to my 'obsession', is Only the Strong, where I risked the game just so I wouldn't die.
I think Visorslash might be feeling mutinous as well, Captain. He's not going to give you a straight answer.
Well done. :laugh4:
Explain your mutinous tendencies when you admitted yourself that the only possible for a mutiny right now is gold.
Explain your mutinous tendencies when you admitted yourself that the only possible for a mutiny right now is gold.
Well no, the other possibility is that town makes a power role captain, because having an open and confirmed power role is better then you being captain.
Well no, the other possibility is that town makes a power role captain, because having an open and confirmed power role is better then you being captain.
No matter which way you slice it, Visorslash, the only people this game confirmed not-Spanish are myself and BSmith. That will never change the entire game, what with the recruitment last night.
No matter which way you slice it, Visorslash, the only people this game confirmed not-Spanish are myself and BSmith. That will never change the entire game, what with the recruitment last night.
I don't think you understand. I'm saying clear confirmed town, with powers, is better then clear confirmed vanilla town.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:52
Yarrr.
Basically what he's saying is that he's more valuable than ye are, from common stock, Captain.
Not all of us are able seamen. Well, I am. That's why risking the consequences of mutiny is fine by me.
I don't think you understand. I'm saying clear confirmed town, with powers, is better then clear confirmed vanilla town.
I don't think you understand. I'm saying no one except myself and BSmith can possibly be confirmed town.
And if you're really so damned important, Visorslash, work with the confirmed town Captain, for god's sake. Your cooperation could help clear a lot of things up.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 15:58
I don't think you understand. I'm saying no one except myself and BSmith can possibly be confirmed town.
He gets it. I get it.
He's saying he's carrying more in his sheath than your average sword. He's saying his leg isn't just made of peg. He's sayin his bandana covers up a cape.
He's no ordinary pirate! He's the pirate hero we need, but not the one we deserve.
Now, the same consequences can come about IF I can be certain that protection succeeds on him every night.
EVERY night.
If that be the case, ye can keep yer Captain's chair, Captain. With my no longer mutinous blessing.
I need Visorslash's cooperation, or I will come after him, because he's acting suspiciously.
no longer mutinous
Bull. Don't patronize me.
I need Visorslash's cooperation, or I will come after him, because he's acting suspiciously.
Bull. Don't patronize me.
I am perfectly willing to co-operate. In fact I am doing it at the moment.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:02
Alright fine. I won't try to bullship you.
I'm still gonna try to have your head eventually, I suppose. But someone would, Captain. It's not gonna be me, perhaps, but someone will. Seems unlikely I'll be the one succeeding in it. But someone will.
You shouldn't have tried to become Captain with so much gold, matey. Put someone dirt poor in as Captain, it makes mutiny less likely.
I am perfectly willing to co-operate. In fact I am doing it at the moment.
No, you're not. Send me a PM detailing what you have done to deserve life, and what you will do to continue deserving life, instead of this pointless posturing.
You shouldn't have tried to become Captain with so much gold, matey. Put someone dirt poor in as Captain, it makes mutiny less likely.
A rich Captain can offer monetary incentives to a large group of players, which I have done.
No, you're not. Send me a PM detailing what you have done to deserve life, and what you will do to continue deserving life, instead of this pointless posturing.
A rich Captain can offer monetary incentives to a large group of players, which I have done.
Oh ye Arbiter of Souls, I humbly beg forgiveness. [/SARCASM]
Really, what is your ulterior motive for being a condescending buttface? I'm genuinely puzzled at your strategy here.
Really, what is your ulterior motive for being such an ass? I'm genuinely puzzled at your strategy here.
It seems we have similar opinions. :laugh4: I sent you the PM.
Condescending buttface is quite similar to ass. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:18
A rich Captain can offer monetary incentives to a large group of players, which I have done.
Yes, I imagine you'll be incentivising certain actions on me very soon. :laugh4:
Ahhhhh why did the good Lord make me so GREEDY
Yes, I imagine you'll be incentivising certain actions on me very soon. :laugh4:
Ahhhhh why did the good Lord make me so GREEDY
No. I don't order kills/lynches on people I think are town.
And for the record, one of these people should be lynched today:
a completely inoffensive name
autolycus
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
edse
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
Memnon
Thermal
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:27
I only disagree with two people on that list being killed. One should be strongly cleared already and the other simply because they work for gold like good honest untrustworthy pirates do.
Unless we want to start lynching lurkers, Memnon/AA/ACIN/Buddha/edse are probably decent targets.
Taking JHT off the list would also be a good idea.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:30
I support edse's lynch obviously.
I'll float the names Memnon and Buddha because I can't read them and don't know what they've been up to. If someone else does, fine.
I'm personally leading towards Memnon because of this:
May I ask why you slept last night?
Well, the group I was with wasn't a permanent thing, as Player X decided to steal some gold, and I hadn't the patience to start a network with anyone else, so I decided to sleep. I'm also rather new to this format, and had to check the rules to make sure I was even able to sleep.
Why not steal or protect your gold?
I wasn't sure that was an option...
But I thought you checked the rules to check if sleep was an option? :dizzy2:
Yes, but I only checked for sleep, this might sound a bit suspicious, but seriously, I am a scrub at this.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:34
That does bear more scrutiny.
I'd switch it up, then.
Memnon first, then Buddha, then Edse.
unvote Edse
Vote Memnon
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 16:42
I wouldn't call myself a lurker, I've been a wee bit busy recently, but I still post, usually around this time anyway. Anywho, so me scalawags, this be an interestin' turn of events, the Spaniards are growing and the horsemen haven't been living up to their name (aka not killing scum nearly every night, as accidental as it was). Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me, an' Vote:Visorslash, also OMGUS.
Here's why I originally mentioned Memnon-
1) Threat to Visorslash
2) The wording of this particular post. Recounting the events of the evening as if we didn't already know
3) "Not killing scum nearly every night" indicates possible ACTUAL perfect information syndrome as opposed to what Andres was yammering about.
4) Too eager to work with the established order "even if it includes me".
Montmorency
10-06-2012, 18:08
I think Visorslash might be feeling mutinous as well, Captain. He's not going to give you a straight answer.
I admit it. I am working for a mutiny, and I love gold. The look of it, the shmell of it. The texture.
I love gold so much, I even lost my golden genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident and was given the nickname diamond junk.
They're still gold but they have diamonds on it now. Very sparkly.
All right, so you caught me. I'm a greedy bastard.
Is that all you have for me Captain, or do you HONESTLY see me as scum? Because you knew better when you, spontaneously, decided to protect me when I asked ZERO people in this game to protect me the last two nights as I taunted Andres to no end.
Maybe I'm too reckless for my own good, but you're seriously off your nuts and bolts if you think I'm scum Tincow.
:laugh4:
What did I tell you? You wouldn't have seen this kind of guff from me, Captain. You would have found me to be a most sequacious underling, having been brought into line.
Double A
10-06-2012, 18:20
That does bear more scrutiny.
I'd switch it up, then.
Memnon first, then Buddha, then Edse.
unvote Edse
Vote Memnon
Any particular reason for lynching Buddha before Edse, or is it just nice to have an order?
Anyway, vote: Memnon. That's the second-most scummy PM conversation I've seen in a Pirate Ship game.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 19:33
:laugh4:
What did I tell you? You wouldn't have seen this kind of guff from me, Captain. You would have found me to be a most sequacious underling, having been brought into line.
You can't run a Pirate ship with gutless crew.
Double A
10-06-2012, 19:34
What if it's a skeleton pirate ship? Or a robot pirate ship? Or a zombie robot ninja pirate pirate ship?
Montmorency
10-06-2012, 20:01
You can't run a Pirate ship with gutless crew.
A commander needs competent subordinates who will execute his orders faithfully, whatever their misgivings.
One can not expect a self-serving crew of hooligans and brutes to accomplish the great tasks set before them.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 20:21
Vote: El Barto donthave time
Vote: edse. If you don't have time, you take it from your sleep. But votes like that can't go unforgiven.
edse, this be stupid. It be me, El Barto! Ye shouldn't be accusing me if ye hae nae reason at all.
vote: JoanK no need to pile on so quickly. Looks like you might be trying to take advantage of edse's post and subsequent votes for him...
Bandwaggoning JoanK must be remembered.
No matter which way you slice it, Visorslash, the only people this game confirmed not-Spanish are myself and BSmith. That will never change the entire game, what with the recruitment last night.
Remember that non-Spanish doesn't mean that someone might not be French or Dutch or other countries ending in -ch, savvy?
I'm personally leading towards Memnon because of this:
Captain asks, Captain gets. vote: Memnon
You're all letting ATPG lead you around by the nose. Lynch him now, deal with other suspects later. ATPG will always manage to get himself protection at night, he's good with that kind of thing. Never pass up an opportunity to get rid of him the old fashioned way.
johnhughthom
10-06-2012, 20:25
Captain, you know what I did night one and two, last night I guarded my stash. Now bugger off and leave me alone. Go back to your list making.
Vote: El Barto
Dinna ha' time.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 20:27
You're all letting ATPG lead you around by the nose. Lynch him now, deal with other suspects later. ATPG will always manage to get himself protection at night, he's good with that kind of thing. Never pass up an opportunity to get rid of him the old fashioned way.
Ha ha ha ha ha....
:evil:
El Barto
10-06-2012, 20:28
You're all letting ATPG lead you around by the nose. Lynch him now, deal with other suspects later. ATPG will always manage to get himself protection at night, he's good with that kind of thing. Never pass up an opportunity to get rid of him the old fashioned way.
'In dubio, contra askthepizzaguy'? That be a new legal maxim.
Captain, you know what I did night one and two, last night I guarded my stash. Now bugger off and leave me alone. Go back to your list making.
Vote: El Barto
Dinna ha' time.
Right, what?
I will also give a small amount of gold to any sailor who discloses their night actions to me privately.
How much exactly?
Before we jump to conclusions too hastily and give out information to anyone who says he can't be guilty, because he was stealing.
The rules say the Spanish can hide in protection groups. That's not the same as the Spanish cannot go out stealing or protect their gold while doing their specific role related actions. I interpreted that part of the rules always as Spanish can hide in protection groups, but can't hide in a vig squad (so they can't go out killing twice each night).
GeneralHankerchief , can we get a clarification on the rules? Is it possible for the Spaniards to perform an individual action (like stealing or protecting gold) in combination with one of their specific actions?
Vote : Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy- I can be found stealing treasure two nights ago
Something is off with you. Now you say that you went out stealing on night 1; what was the lynching of Montmorency about then? Didn't you insist on lynching him, because you did a job for him on night 1 but didn't get paid?
For this entire game, you've been sounding extremely scummy, showing typical mafia behaviour. You also put Zaccino on your innocents list and Visorslash on your possible guilties. Later in the thread, you want protection for Visorslash and even blackmail our Captain into guaranteeing protection for Visorslash for the entire game, else you'll be part of a mutiny against him.
And in post #559, instead of addressing TinCow's case, you just say something like "why the change of heart TinCow", subtly planting seeds against TC.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 22:11
Before we jump to conclusions too hastily and give out information to anyone who says he can't be guilty, because he was stealing.
The rules say the Spanish can hide in protection groups. That's not the same as the Spanish cannot go out stealing or protect their gold while doing their specific role related actions. I interpreted that part of the rules always as Spanish can hide in protection groups, but can't hide in a vig squad (so they can't go out killing twice each night).
GeneralHankerchief , can we get a clarification on the rules? Is it possible for the Spaniards to perform an individual action (like stealing or protecting gold) in combination with one of their specific actions?
Vote : Askthepizzaguy
Something is off with you. Now you say that you went out stealing on night 1; what was the lynching of Montmorency about then? Didn't you insist on lynching him, because you did a job for him on night 1 but didn't get paid?
Two nights ago means not last night, the night prior. (N2) In case I was not clear.
I'm including last night as "one night ago".
You know the English language isn't particularly precise, Andres.
I see I'm still painted red and you're still bullish on me being guilty. :laugh4: I wish. Things are going great for me.
GeneralHankerchief
10-06-2012, 22:14
I can clarify that rule for you, I'm just not going to. :laugh4:
I can clarify that rule for you, I'm just not going to. :laugh4:
:mean:
Andres, if that were the case, GH would not have put the new rule in effect.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 22:20
Oh and under normal circumstances, Tincow's case on me is entirely valid and I'm acting like a total sleazeball.
I don't even have a rebuttal to it because it's correct.
The only part he's wrong on is that I am town, rather than not town. Everything else he said stands for itself. And I can't prove my townieness except by having the First Mate take a long, penetrating look at my soul.
Yarrrr, so that's what's happening next, lads.
Sorry to disappoint. :wink: I know tossing me overboard now would be nice for you, but you had your chance on the first two nights.
Buddhafish
10-06-2012, 22:22
I have responded to ye Captain about me night action, mateys.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 22:23
I have responded to ye Captain about me night action, mateys.
YARRR!!! You're an upstanding chap and this freshly loyal crewman thanks you for your cooperation with our grand Captain's investigation efforts. Yarr.
Andres, if that were the case, GH would not have put the new rule in effect.
See my pm. It's still possible to lock everybody and reduce this game to an excel sheet if it's not possible for mafia to perform a scum action next to an individual regular action. Difficult to pull off, but still possible.
Given how GH feels about such organisation, I doubt he'd let the slightest possibility to have that happen open. He has been thinking about stuff like this before you and I were born.
See my pm. It's still possible to lock everybody and reduce this game to an excel sheet if it's not possible for mafia to perform a scum action next to an individual regular action. Difficult to pull off, but still possible.
Given how GH feels about such organisation, I doubt he'd let the slightest possibility to have that happen open. He has been thinking about stuff like this before you and I were born.
The rule change wouldn't make any sense, then. He would just let us think we're eliminating scum, when we're really not.
And FWIW, the plan you sent me in PM was already proposed a few phases ago by ATPG; I declined it then, I'm declining it now. If people wish to organize such an effort themselves, they are free to do so, but I will not organize such a thing.
The rule change wouldn't make any sense, then. He would just let us think we're eliminating scum, when we're really not.
And FWIW, the plan you sent me in PM was already proposed a few phases ago by ATPG; I declined it then, I'm declining it now. If people wish to organize such an effort themselves, they are free to do so, but I will not organize such a thing.
Me neither.
And there's no need to be so aggressive in your pm's to get information squeezed out off me. I never said I didn't want to give you a report of my night actions; I just want to know how much gold exactly that "small amount" is.
If I sound aggressive, I apologize. I'm stressed and frustrated.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 22:36
The game is still a bit vulnerable to brute forcing matters even with the rule change.
Note that there are still three attempts we could make on the stealing side of things. And that we have to be caught for it to go against our tally.
My alibi N2 is that I wasn't caught, and I can tell you who I stole from and how much it was. That information is impossible to fake unless me and player X are both guilty.
Even the rule change itself opens up the possibility of brute force solving: A group of ten suspects steals from Zack and gets caught three nights in a row, and they die.
If they refuse, they get lynched. Rather difficult for the scums to combat that unless our luck is extraordinarily bad.
:shrug:
My suggestion would be to avoid committing any of the following actions:
1) No top-down directing of night action groups, even by Zack. All actions must remain voluntary
2) No committing of the same type of group action forced on all players at once. I.E. you must steal and guard.
If you avoid that, then you avoid cheesy brute force solves. And we can just do a normal game.
Or GH could just allow the Spanish to combine an individual action with a scum action. And we have no guarantee this wasn't already the case at the start of the game, so the information we are now gathering could be useless.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 22:41
What if instead of discussing obscure role changes when we don't even know the full game setup we just kidnap the GM and force the truth out of him go back to the usual traitorous changing of alliances and vote pattern analysis?
Montmorency
10-06-2012, 22:46
This "brute force" scheme is nothing to argue against, as it would never be viable anyway. Zack does not command the absolute loyalty of all the crew. Many of the crew are not even active enough to respond to his inquiries.
Beyond that, it would take a week to kill everyone off in that manner even with guaranteed action by all parties.
Furthermore, arguing against the idea is one thing, but to use the argument as a tool to restrict the Captain's organizational tactics is scum-talk. Zack should absolutely direct actions, being the one with access to so much data. There is nothing cheesy about large-scale networking.
What if instead of discussing obscure role changes when we don't even know the full game setup we just kidnap the GM and force the truth out of him go back to the usual traitorous changing of alliances and vote pattern analysis?
You mean, like lynching Askthepizzaguy?
Sure, let's do that first. I'm all for it.
I'll even vote him again: Vote : Askthepizzaguy.
Since I voted twice, I demand a double salary for today! Drinking rum is an expensive hobby, I need the money.
1) No top-down directing of night action groups, even by Zack. All actions must remain voluntary
Just want to say that I will hold to this.
From this moment on, except in exceptional circumstances, I will not make direct orders to anyone except my officers. If you want suggestions, I'm happy to offer you some. But I will not take over in solving the game by brute force by forcing everyone to take certain actions or suffer the consequences, in the interests of fairness and keeping the game fun for everyone.
That said, I strongly, STRONGLY recommend restructuring any protection groups into vig groups. We know for a fact that the Spaniards cannot both participate in vig groups and perform their own actions. Don't make it easy for them to blend in to your protection groups. Either steal from others, guard your gold, or participate in a vigilante group. Again, if you want suggestions, come ask me - but I will not give orders unless asked.
Oh, and don't you dare attack my officers.
~ Captain Zackbeard
Memnon first, then Buddha, then Edse.
Ah, the classic scum-proposed lynch list. Trying to tie up lynches for as long as possible to keep your buddies safe.
Ah, the classic scum-proposed lynch list. Trying to tie up lynches for as long as possible to keep your buddies safe.
Lynching our buddha to save his buddhies.
:drummer:
I'm here all day.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 23:18
Ah, the classic scum-proposed lynch list. Trying to tie up lynches for as long as possible to keep your buddies safe.
You're on a roll.
Can you name my Spanish brethren? I want to see how deep this thing goes.
vote: johnhughthom
:creep:
El Barto
10-06-2012, 23:27
You mean, like lynching Askthepizzaguy?
Sure, let's do that first. I'm all for it.
I'll even vote him again: Vote : Askthepizzaguy.
Since I voted twice, I demand a double salary for today! Drinking rum is an expensive hobby, I need the money.
No, more like this:
vote: johnhughthom
:creep:
Why this vote? Just out of the blue? Even if johnhughthom be a traitorous back of muck who be votin' me, why the unexplained vote on him? Just because of his laziness?
I wouldn't call myself a lurker, I've been a wee bit busy recently, but I still post, usually around this time anyway. Anywho, so me scalawags, this be an interestin' turn of events, the Spaniards are growing and the horsemen haven't been living up to their name (aka not killing scum nearly every night, as accidental as it was). Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me, an' Vote:Visorslash, also OMGUS.
In Pizza's defence, this post does sound scummy, especially the "Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me" part.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 23:32
The classical 'I'm willing to die' Mafias have, because they knows that if someone calls 'em on it there's teammates to carry on with their actions and win them ye team victory. Avast, scumsters! Now, Andres, follow the orders of yer captain and vote Memnon!
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2012, 23:36
In Pizza's defence, this post does sound scummy, especially the "Hmm, I'll follow 'yer list, Pizza, even if it includes me" part.
YARRR! One of yer eyepatches fell off. You're no longer blind in your right eye!
It be a miracle I tells ye.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 23:39
No miracle, ach, it just be that his cheap eypatch-strap be corroded by sea-salt.
I will admit that it's sorely tempting to get ATPG lynched now, but I feel vaguely guilty when I help get him killed early on, seeing as it seems to happen so often to him. Thus I'll run with the case on Memnon, as I frankly don't have anything better.
vote: Memnon.
El Barto
10-06-2012, 23:55
You're letting Pizza guilt you into not voting him?
You're letting Pizza guilt you into not voting him?
That's par for the course.
Um, what be the case on me again? I did as you requested, I revealed myself :on_sweat: to the Captain. The case is that I didn't read the rules too specifically and wasn't protecting my gold or stealing another's? I slept last night, I didn't want to think too hard, at least I've been participating when I can.:on_beatup:. Also Pizza, I almost always state the obvious, it's more of a thinking aloud approach, I know I haven't played enough games or revealed enough about me for you to read me, but even in the few games I've played here, you can see I've done the same. Stating the obvious is a habit of mine when typing, it helps me to compose my posts.
Um, what be the case on me again? I did as you requested, I revealed myself :on_sweat: to the Captain. The case is that I didn't read the rules too specifically and wasn't protecting my gold or stealing another's? I slept last night, I didn't want to think too hard, at least I've been participating when I can.:on_beatup:. Also Pizza, I almost always state the obvious, it's more of a thinking aloud approach, I know I haven't played enough games or revealed enough about me for you to read me, but even in the few games I've played here, you can see I've done the same. Stating the obvious is a habit of mine when typing, it helps me to compose my posts.
Aha! Nervous sweating and drinking blood! I knew I'd picked the right bandwagon case to join.
You're letting Pizza guilt you into not voting him?
Yes. Yes I am.
Buddhafish
10-07-2012, 00:32
Vote: Memnon
I want gold, so I'll vote.
Diana Abnoba
10-07-2012, 00:41
Memnon or edse look like the best lynch options today. I think the case is slightly better on Memnon. Vote: Memnon
Eh, you're losing a lazy able-bodied then, good on you Spaniards, although this was caused more by a lack of rhetoric on my part.
El Barto
10-07-2012, 03:32
That's par for the course.
This appears to be true…
Yes. Yes I am.
Nice of you, you self-lampshading bandwagonner who bandwagons.
I suggest we go to Pizza's RL residence and try to extract his genome. I have a drill here that will be of use in this endeavour.
Captain Blackadder
10-07-2012, 03:41
Hello everyone I just realised that I am now in the game. Can anyone give me a quick summery of the current state of play.
Askthepizzaguy
10-07-2012, 03:44
Hello everyone I just realised that I am now in the game. Can anyone give me a quick summery of the current state of play.
Falls out of chair laughing.
I suggest we go to Pizza's RL residence and try to extract his genome. I have a drill here that will be of use in this endeavour.
I'm not doing anything different from what I normally do, or any different from anything any of the rest of you can do.
Don't be in awe of the pizza. Don't put the pizza on a pedestal. You can out-do anything I do if you try.
El Barto
10-07-2012, 04:10
What the hell, Captain Blackadder? Why be ye even called 'captain'?
Captain Blackadder
10-07-2012, 04:37
Tis an ironic nickname like a very tall man been called tiny. It tis a play on words you see.
For now I vote:Edse since I managed to read today's posts but still need to look back further.
El Barto
10-07-2012, 04:46
Follow the captain's orders and vote Memnon, you!
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2012, 05:00
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2012, 05:32
Day 4
The revelation that the Guardacosta had been out successfully recruiting sparked a fury of activity aboard the Presence as everybody weighed in with their interpretation of what it all meant, as well as their suggestions of what to do next. All in all it made for a very active, confusing ship that day of voting, leaving Captain Zaccino and his officers to try to sort it out.
Compounding things was the fact that First Mate NinjaCow64 seemed to be less and less on top of things. This seemed like a logical conclusion considering that NinjaCow wasn't as active in the discussion as some and the fact that damn near nobody on the ship could understand what he was saying when he was around. All in all, it meant more work for Zaccino and Quartermaster BSmith.
Stepping into this breach was, naturally, Askthepizzaguy, who seemed to alternate his tune throughout the day, first waving his traditional long list of parchment that went all the way down to his feet and even then was folded a few times which detailed what everyone could possibly have done at night and who that left to lynch, and then later saying how he was openly plotting to mutiny against the Captain because it would be good for his treasure stash (but not yet). Somehow, people were able to make sense out of this behavior and ATPG, while getting mild pressure, survived the lynch.
The day's victim was instead Memnon, who was a big fat question mark on ATPG's list. There had seemed to be quite a bit of backroom discussions going on throughout the day, with several people retiring below decks at various times and then emerging later with different opinions, but Memnon was privy to none of this, instead staying above deck all day and tending to his normal duties as a sailor aboard the Presence when he wasn't directly involved with the voting. He looked puzzled after receiving the first few votes, a look which gradually shifted to anger and then resignation as the day grew longer.
At sundown, Memnon was far and away the leading candidate for the day's lynch. He refused to go without one final word, though, gathering his bag of treasure before he walked the plank. "Fah," he said, "this ship be in such poor condition anyway that I'm sure I'll be able to find a spare piece o' wood that came off this mess and float away to safety! Just watch, you mateys, the current will be takin' me right to Nassau where I can spend me gold right away while ye all intrigue against each other and get killed by yourselves and the Spanish! Compared to that, I'll take a few days o' floatin' on the-"
Memnon's speech was interrupted by Captain Zaccino, who booted him right off the plank. Evidently, the Captain had a couple of his own things to say and was tired of Memnon preempting him.
"Right then," he said. "A bit o' official business. I be doin' some housekeepin' with me officers. NinjaCow64, sorry mate, but ye be demoted back to regular Able Seaman." NinjaCow muttered something incomprehensible at this. "To take his spot, I be relievin' BSmith of his Quartermaster duties and makin' him me new First Mate. To fill BSmith's old role, Askthepizzaguy is now Quartermaster."
ATPG bounded up besides Zaccino and immediately launched into a speech, but Zaccino silenced him after three words. "Shut it, Pizza. Ye were just made Quartermaster, not Lord God o' the High Seas." The captain got a minor chuckle out of the crew, and everyone retired for the night.
Day 4 tally:
Memnon: 8 (Visor, ATPG, BSmith, Double A, El Barto, Ishmael, Buddhafish, Diana) :skull:
edse: 3 (Blackadder, NinjaCow, JoanK)
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (TinCow, Ironside, Andres)
El Barto: 2 (edse, JHT)
Visorslash: 1 (Memnon)
Kagemusha: 1 (Chaotix)
Lyra: 1 (Jolt)
johnhughthom: 1 (Thermal)
Abstained: 3 (Zaccino, Tiaexz, ACIN)
Didn't vote: 6 (autolycus, God Emperor, issaikhaan, Kagemusha, Kaiser Friedrich III, Lyra)
OOC: It is now Night 4! Please send in your orders. Night 4 will conclude Monday, October 8th, at Noon US Eastern Time.
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Attacked: TinCow (n1), Makrell (n2), issaikhaan (n2)
Killed: Arjos (n2), Xenoneb (n2), Choxorn (n2), DaveShack (n3)
Walked the plank: Montmorency (d2), Makrell (d3), Memnon (d4)
Souls aboard: 28
a completely inoffensive name
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Diana Abnoba
Double A
edse
El Barto
God Emperor
Ironside
Ishmael
issaikhaan
JoanK
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
NinjaCow64
Thermal
Tiaexz
TinCow
Visorslash
Zaccino
NinjaCow64
10-07-2012, 09:56
Avast, Zack, why yarrr demate meh? Arrrr, eye dan't carrre thart march anyvay, tit means eye carn jarst drink mare rum. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You're really worried about a mutiny, aren't you Zaccino?
To fill BSmith's old role, Askthepizzaguy is now Quartermaster."
Ok, NOW I support a mutiny.
Askthepizzaguy
10-07-2012, 15:01
Ok, NOW I support a mutiny.
This is verbatim what I thought you would say.
Gosh Tincow. It's like I know you like the back of me hand.
NOW GET TO WORK SCRUBBIN THE DECK!!!
LazyMcCrow
10-07-2012, 18:01
GH. Sorry to miss out on this game, but I do not wish to be a replacement. :bow: thanks for the offer.
GeneralHankerchief
10-07-2012, 18:14
Understood. :bow:
Vote: edse
Make time.
Ack, ew 'azy 'um! Eye tike thar tirrrme ta naught jarst randarmlahe varte fer sumunh! Eye 'ate 'azyness! Vote: edse as yarrrr still on the pizzapirate's list. Arrrrrrrr!
Vote: edse. If you don't have time, you take it from your sleep. But votes like that can't go unforgiven.
I had 30 seconds of internet access during the whole weekend, I couldn't really do anything else than a fast random vote.
edse, this be stupid. It be me, El Barto! Ye shouldn't be accusing me if ye hae nae reason at all.
Iknow!!buticouldn'trememberanyoneelsesnameinthehurryi'mreallysorrysorry.
Diana Abnoba
10-07-2012, 19:27
:laugh4: That's just sad and lame.
Montmorency
10-07-2012, 22:57
Edse, have you told the captain everything there is to know about yourself yet? Hm?
You're in danger of being lynched.
You also may be lynched if you tell the Captain everything... (grumble)
You also might have your name cleared if you reveal to the Captain.
Montmorency
10-08-2012, 01:57
edse, please tell the Captain about yourself.
If you aren't willing to demonstrate the truth of the matter - and here is where you should personally direct a couple of groups, Captain - then you certainly deserve to be lynched.
Zack, please hear him out if he does.
Zack, please hear him out if he does.
I am not the one who has been calling for his lynch.
Montmorency
10-08-2012, 02:26
Regardless, the request has to be made. I hope you'll get to see.
El Barto
10-08-2012, 03:54
Ok, NOW I support a mutiny.
You do? Good, we have tomorrow's plank-walking settled then.
GH. Sorry to miss out on this game, but I do not wish to be a replacement. :bow: thanks for the offer.
Livin' up to yer name, good fellow.
Iknow!!buticouldn'trememberanyoneelsesnameinthehurryi'mreallysorrysorry.Die! You evil Swede! :rtwno:
God Emperor
10-08-2012, 07:56
I havent been present the last day phase.. but reading through the day phase (and pms) , apparently Zack is now innocent? but I fail to see why that is so. Could someone give me the appealing evidence as to why that is so?
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2012, 08:02
I havent been present the last day phase.. but reading through the day phase (and pms) , apparently Zack is now innocent? but I fail to see why that is so. Could someone give me the appealing evidence as to why that is so?
Zack would have had to have been starting Spanish as he's not convertible while Captain
Zack has been guarding his gold at night, and was seen in the writeup doing so while two letters of marque were being offered elsewhere by 2 of the starting three spanish.
Those two data points eliminate him as a possibility for 4 of the 5 current Spanish, and the utter foolishness of a starting Spanish making himself Captain and thus, begging for a good scanning from the first officer, or eventual death by mutiny, all add up to "More townie than you are".
Ironside
10-08-2012, 08:18
I havent been present the last day phase.. but reading through the day phase (and pms) , apparently Zack is now innocent? but I fail to see why that is so. Could someone give me the appealing evidence as to why that is so?
Zack was guarding his stash from Tincow in the write up the same night when two of the Spaniards shows up in the writeup. That rules out a setup. So the only way Zack is guilty is that he choosed to guard his stash on the hope that someone would steal from him, instead of doing something vastly more useful (from Spanish perspective) like scanning for more recruits.
So not 100% foolproof, but probably in the 99% range of him being innocent.
Edse, have you told the captain everything there is to know about yourself yet? Hm?
You're in danger of being lynched.
There are problems with that and it would probably raise more questions than answers. I hope it will be better after tonight.
NinjaCow64
10-08-2012, 12:29
There are problems with that and it would probably raise more questions than answers. I hope it will be better after tonight.
Nay yarrr sobar scumbarrrge! Yarrrrrr wrrrrrrrrong!
El Barto
10-08-2012, 16:28
There are problems with that and it would probably raise more questions than answers. I hope it will be better after tonight.
Mutinous TinCow for Day Five, summalicious secretive edse for Day Six.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2012, 17:00
Night 4 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
This one may take a while. :sweatdrop:
*lights a cigar*
Let the fireworks begin. :pop2:
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2012, 17:10
I'd like to thank the Captain regarding my recent promotion.
Hopefully the events of the evening will reveal my true appreciation for his.... shall we say... illustrious leadership to date.
"Long live Captain Zackbeard?" :wink:
El Barto
10-08-2012, 17:13
*lights a cigar*
Let the fireworks begin. :pop2:
Hmmmm. any spoilers cap'n? http://www.fiftychat.com/images/shh.gif
Edit: stop playing mind games with us, Pizza!
Hmmmm. any spoilers cap'n? http://www.fiftychat.com/images/shh.gif
By the end of the night, you'll know who has the biggest cojones out of anyone on this ship.
El Barto
10-08-2012, 17:24
http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif Gimme an A…
http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif Gimme an S…
http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif Gimme a K…
Not the letters I would choose, son of Homer.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2012, 17:28
Got called away. I'm a little annoyed because this wasn't supposed to happen for another 6 hours. :wall:
There will be a couple-hour delay with the results, but all orders are frozen.
Thank you for your patience.
El Barto
10-08-2012, 17:28
http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif It's the… Pizzaguy! http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif http://www.fiftychat.com/images/cheer.gif
El Barto
10-08-2012, 17:29
Not the letters I would choose, son of Homer.
Aye caramba, it wasn't me, I didn't do it.
El Barto
10-08-2012, 17:31
By the end of the night, you'll know who has the biggest cojones out of anyone on this ship.
What be this? Why use ye Iberic words and idioms?
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2012, 19:47
Biggest cojones?
I rather thought it was me. After all, I dared to taunt Andres, and he is known for being the guardian of more than just Pirate Ships.
He also can cause Biblical plagues, hurl bolts of lightning at people, and he drinks a mean cask of ale.
If the ship were adrift on a sea of ale, Andres would drink it, so we could walk to shore.
But his Spanish finding powers are second to none.
In other words, folks with no Spanish finding powers whatsoever would find more Spanish than Andres. Hence, he plays second banana to those people.
*ducks*
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2012, 19:47
Night 4
An unearthly mist seemed to engulf the Presence and nothing else on this night, making for very poor visibility aboard. The really old salts among the remaining crewmen were certain that this mist would be the cloak of madness tonight. In other words, there was going to be a bloodbath.
Visorslash was the first target of the night's activities. The attack began rather ingloriously, as one of his assailants outright bumped into him as they were prowling the ship on the lookout for him. There was a grunt of pain, followed by some cursing, followed by shouting. Visorslash could barely make out the figures, now running for him in the mist, but he heard three distinct voices.
Immediately, he bolted in the other direction. Visorslash really wasn't able to formulate a plan in his mind; he was just making it up as he went along. Sensing the edge of the ship through the fog, Visorslash looped around and continued running full speed in the other direction. This time, he full-on crashed into one of his pursuers. The would-be assailant took the worst of it, screaming in pain and crumpling to the ground. Visorslash was only a little bruised up and managed to stay on his feet, running.
Eventually he made it back to safety, no longer pursued. Evidently the injured attacker's two companions decided to help him out rather than give up the chase.
Lyra found himself in a similar situation as to Visorslash: Alone on the ship, at night, and three attackers coming in the mist. Lyra though, by way of his placement, wasn't able to pull Visor's strategy and run to safety. Lyra was already backed into a corner.
"Nothing to do but to fight, I s'pose," he muttered to himself and drew his cutlass, watching as his three attackers did the same as they advanced upon him.
"Right then, I'm already goin' to Hell so I guess a bit o' dirty fightin' won't hurt much in the long run," he said, holding his cutlass in a guarded post around his midsection. Naturally, Lyra's lead attacker and saw this, going high with his attack by raising his own sword well above his body for the kill swing. This was all the opening that Lyra needed, as he kicked the lead attacker right in the privates.
Lyra now stepped back as the other two attackers broke off their assault in order to check on their friend, now moaning softly on the ground, curled up into the fetal position. Disregading Lyra entirely, they peered in through the mist to see how their buddy was doing. "All too easy," Lyra said, smirking for the first time, and he crunched both of their heads together.
With one attacker probably no longer able to reproduce and the other two out cold, Lyra was in no further danger that night, and whistled a merry sea shanty as he went back below deck.
"Oh, you've got to be kidding me," Visorslash said to himself as he saw what was happening in front of him. Due to the sheer amount of volume coming his way, the mist was actually starting to become displaced, so Visorslash could clearly see what faced him: a full six sailors, their swords out. There would be no running circles around this group.
The six attackers charged, and now Visorslash stopped thinking entirely, instead operating solely on instinct. He parried the blows he could, with priority for the attacks that would be fatal. There was no blocking all six, so he let some minor cuts accumulate. Hurt was better than dead, after all, and it bought time for him to come up with a plan.
He knew that it would be impossible to fight off all six attackers using nothing but his sword. Therefore, the only possible way out of this, assuming no squadron of Good Samaritans would charge in to save him, was to use the ship to his advantage. There were plenty of ropes and heavy things aboard. The ropes could help him make a quick getaway when needed and the heavy things could knock out some of the attackers, making it a fairer fight.
Visorslash had now succeeded in making a very rough outline for how to survive this night. Taking a few more minor cuts as he adjusted, he started backing up to the ship's rigging. Using his left hand, he grabbed a rope. Using his right hand, still gripping his sword, he parried the latest attack, knocking the man off balance. Now, taking a risk, he swung his sword high above his head, cutting through a different rope in one fluid motion. The result carried Visorslash up far out of the attackers' reach, putting him out of harm's way a nanosecond before he would have been stabbed in the heart.
At a height that was about level to the crow's nest, Visorslash started to think. The crow's nest, after all, was not the safest place to weather out an attack. If memory served, in the aftermath of the sack of Charleston, the British Special Officer tried the very same tactic. He quickly realized the folly of his action when the Four Horsemen - the *true* Four Horsemen, not this squad of pretenders that had bungled as many kills as they had succeeded in - simply wheeled a portable cannon above deck, aimed it right at the crow's nest, and fired.
Then, the idea came to him all at once. A cannon!
Ignoring his wounds, Visorslash started to climb down the rigging, while his six attackers were simply waiting for him below, their swords drawn. While he was climbing, Visor completely cut away a few strings of rope and pocketed it. About ten feet out of range, Visor more blatantly cut a different rope, causing a large block of wood to start falling... directly over the attackers' location.
"Scatter!" one of them said, and the six of them did, leaving the block of wood to crash down harmlessly and providing Visorslash with enough time to safely get down. He immediately sprinted for the other side of the ship, his attackers in hot pursuit. He opened the door to a different cabin, dashed inside, shut the door, went downstairs, opened another door, entered that one, and shut it.
Three seconds later, the door blasted open, and the six attackers saw Visorslash, bleeding from several wounds, but still with a triumphant look on his face. You see, they were all in the ship's powder magazine, and Visorslash held in his hand a few strands of slowly burning rope.
"Right then," he said (and quickly, for the rope was still burning), "This be endin' in one o' two ways. Either you leave me alone and we go our separate ways, or this rope here burns all the way out and nobody on the ship sees any treasure o' any kind. What'll it be, mateys?"
The six attackers loudly swore and backed away. After a torrid pursuit, Visorslash had checkmated them.
After three days of quietly doing his duty aboard the Presence and really not taking much of an interest in the greater intrigues that went on around him, Thermal finally showed some signs of life late yesterday by lodging a late vote. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't matter that much, as his vote was not for any of the main candidates... but evidently it twigged one man's interest.
That night, Thermal was visited by a large man wielding a sinister-looking cutlass who didn't look much the type for answering questions. This character trait was confirmed when Thermal asked him if this was about the vote he had lodged earlier that day, to no avail.
Thermal parried a few blows, then tried again with a different tactic. "You know what they say about a man with a big sword," he said with a tinge of humor. Perhaps not surprisingly, this approach too accomplished absolutely nothing.
From here on out, Thermal decided that it was best if he just concentrated on fighting, but for the third time this approach wasn't working either as it became clear that Thermal was losing. Of all the rotten luck... Thermal estimated that he was a better fighter than about 50% of the sailors aboard, but this man was clearly in the upper bracket. Thermal held out for as long as he could, hoping in vain that protection would come, but eventually the killing blow hit. Thermal bled out on the decks, his last thoughts being that at least he was able to make a somewhat good joke to his attacker. Who knows, perhaps dark humor would serve him well in the next life...
Captain Zaccino had just finished being debriefed by one of his sailors on a mission that he had assigned the sailor when the attack came. He saw a cannonball get tossed through his window, followed immediately by a man leaping through it. He regarded the Captain coolly for a minute, his rapier drawn. If he expected the Captain to show some sign of shock, he was disappointed.
Zaccino calmly drew his own sword. "I'm a little surprised to see you here," he said.
"La Presence est à moi," the attacker replied, his white teeth gleaming. "You have no idea how far I will go to get her back, Monsieur."
"I guess we'll see," Zaccino said, the the duel was on.
Almost immediately, Zaccino knew that he was outclassed as a swordsman by this attacker. The rapier was a very finely-made weapon, and its quality was equal to that of its wielder. Together, the two made for an extraordinarily deadly weapon. Zaccino was no slouch with a cutlass himself, but this was comparing a bar fight to the Thirty Years' War. Zaccino quickly found himself on the defensive and retreated out of his cabin in search of more room to play with.
As he barely dodged blow after blow, Zaccino started thinking to himself. The power of his Captaincy was determined by the loyalty of his men. His greatest fear was that of a mutiny. But perhaps worse than that, perhaps what he was facing right now, was a coup. His cabin, after all, was farther back on the ship. Any attacker would have to pass by the Quartermaster's and First Mate's cabins to get to him.
Did BSmith and Askthepizzaguy - "Ow!" He was poked in the shoulder, but the wound was very minor - did his officers willingly allow this attacker to pass by? If this was the case, then he was doomed. There would be no help from the regular sailors coming for the Captain. They all assumed they wouldn't need his help to survive.
Zaccino was desperately hanging on as the fight moved to the middle of the ship, above decks. The mist was clearing up by now, allowing the Captain to see every single expression of determination on his attacker's face as he rained blow after blow down upon his target. This attacker obviously wanted Zaccino dead very badly.
Unlike Visorslash against his army of attackers, Zaccino was not even able to formulate a plan. He was just mindlessly trying to parry every single rapier attack that came his way. All of this was tiring him out. His already-thin margin of error became even less existent. Not only was his attacker a better swordsman than him, he also clearly had more stamina...
After about ten minutes of intense swordfighting, the attacker finally scored a major hit, slashing Zaccino from roughly his navel to his armpit. The slash was not terribly deep but still Zaccino went down to his knees from the pain. A second later, he felt the rapier point at his neck. "It was a good fight, monsieur," the man said, almost sympathetically. Zaccino felt the break of pain on his neck as the attacker pulled back for the killing blow, and then -
Two figures burst out of the Officers' Cabins. Zaccino clearly could tell that it was his First Mate and Quartermaster. He made the loudest possible sigh of relief as the attacker stepped back, cursing about the lost opportunity. The four of them stood at the middle of the Presence, facing each other, none making a move. Finally, Zaccino, still on his knees, addressed his officers.
"Did ye allow this man to get through?" he demanded. Both officers instantly and vehemently denied it.
"Good," the Captain continued. "I suppose I should be thankin' ye fer comin' when you did. A second later and I would have been dead. This was a very close call indeed, mateys, but now order must be restored. I tolerate dissent aboard me ship, aye, but there be a clear line between dissent and out-and-out mutiny. And that line was crossed." At this point Zaccino got back up to his feet and drew, for the first time, a very dangerous-looking blunderbuss.
"Now, it only serves to reason that mutiny must be punished. As Captain, it be my duty to set an example in situations like this. After all, when I told my crew that I did not tolerate mutiny..."
He fired the blunderbuss...
"I meant it."
...right at his Quartermaster, Askthepizzaguy.
In the bedlam, the attacker, not believing his luck, slipped off into the night, while Zaccino and BSmith discussed what had just happened. "We be needin' a new Quartermaster," the Captain said, "seeing as how the last one went and got himself shot in the heart. String him up on the mast, BSmith, let the entire crew see what happens to those who would undermine my authority."
"Aye Aye," the First Mate said, and went to work. The rest of the night passed without incident.
That morning, Zaccino called the crew to order and addressed them. "All right, mateys. As ye can see we had two more kills last night. One o' them, as ye can see, is accounted for." He pointed at the mast, where Askthepizzaguy's body was grusomely displayed. "But clearly, there still be crime aboard the ship, so as a result the votin' system will stay. Now, for me next order o' business, I be appointin' TinCow as my new Quartermaster, and may you be more loyal than the last.
TinCow nodded, took a look up at ATPG's corpse, and gulped.
"Now, for some results! Montmorency, Choxorn, and Xenoneb were all loyal sailors and their deaths were all our loss. Arjos, on the other hand, er, seemed to be a woman. I'm not exactly sure what she was doing on board, but her only possession aside from her treasure was a love letter written in French. I be havin' no idea what that's about, seeing as I can't read French. Anyway, there's bound to be some Spaniards farther down the pike, so perk up, lads!"
It is now Day 5! Voting will last until Tuesday, October 9th, at 23:59 US Eastern Time.
Feedback PMs are incoming.
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Attacked: TinCow (n1), Makrell (n2), issaikhaan (n2), Visorslash (n4, 2x), Lyra (n4), Zaccinio (n4)
Killed: Arjos (n2), Xenoneb (n2), Choxorn (n2), DaveShack (n3), Thermal (n4), Askthepizzaguy (n4)
Walked the plank: Montmorency (d2), Makrell (d3), Memnon (d4)
Souls aboard: 26
a completely inoffensive name
Andres
autolycus
BSmith
Buddhafish
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Diana Abnoba
Double A
edse
El Barto
God Emperor
Ironside
Ishmael
issaikhaan
JoanK
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
NinjaCow64
Tiaexz
TinCow
Visorslash
Zaccino
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2012, 19:52
:laugh4:
I kinda figured.
Thanks for the game, gentlemen. I had a lot of fun.
:smoking:
And that's why you always leave a note never mutiny against Captain Zackbeard. Yarr.
Visorslash is the Frenchman. I thought having his protectors doing something else and sending two vig groups after him would be enough, but apparently one of the groups didn't come through. He should be lynched immediately.
:laugh4:
I kinda figured.
Thanks for the game, gentlemen. I had a lot of fun.
It was immensely satisfying. :laugh4:
vote: visièrecouper
Forgive me if google translate somehow screwed that up, and just to be sure, vote: Visorslash
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2012, 20:37
All feedback PMs are out, please let me know if there are any errors. :yes:
*Waves at Askthepizzaguy* Au revoir, un salaud! :duel:
Je jure qu'aucun d'entre vous aiment prendre des risques ...
Arjos, mon petit cherie. :shame:
Visorslash is the Frenchman. I thought having his protectors doing something else and sending two vig groups after him would be enough, but apparently one of the groups didn't come through. He should be lynched immediately.
Indeed. That's why it's always best to pack extras.
Vote: Visorslash
God Emperor
10-08-2012, 21:04
Vote: Visorslash .. En Garde! ..
Yes I'm the Frenchman as you have no doubt figured out. If you want to compare 'cojones' and be bragging about your size, I suggest you make peace with the world, as testicular cancer will come a knocking. :stare:
My death will not help you catch Spaniards, though. The only thing I can offer is my powers for my life, to see this character survive the game. I have lost, I admit it. My only chance was a coup, as it is extremely hard if I don't get captain Day 1 to unseat the captain. I might've gained more by revealing I had a role Day 1, but that's in the past now. I did try to achieve my victory conditions, and I suppose I came closeish to getting them. Zack, you actually told me that you knew I had an investigation power, before I told you, IIRC. I actually knew BSmith had told you before tonight, though I ignored it, hoping that he may have told you that to dissuade you from ordering my death. That I am alive is a minor miracle in itself.
You can act obnoxious, and have me killed because 'I'm a threat to the ship', 'I'm mutinous' yadda yadda yadda. But the truth is, I will never get another chance to unseat you. So finally, I'm asking you to lynch someone else, and I'll do what you wish for night orders. Maybe I should just give up on chasing the Presence.
Diana Abnoba
10-08-2012, 21:06
Vote: Visorslash yar what God Emperor said.
Yes I'm the Frenchman as you have no doubt figured out. If you want to compare 'cojones' and be bragging about your size, I suggest you make peace with the world, as testicular cancer will come a knocking. :stare:
My death will not help you catch Spaniards, though. The only thing I can offer is my powers for my life, to see this character survive the game. I have lost, I admit it. My only chance was a coup, as it is extremely hard if I don't get captain Day 1 to unseat the captain. I might've gained more by revealing I had a role Day 1, but that's in the past now. I did try to achieve my victory conditions, and I suppose I came closeish to getting them. Zack, you actually told me that you knew I had an investigation power, before I told you, IIRC. I actually knew BSmith had told you before tonight, though I ignored it, hoping that he may have told you that to dissuade you from ordering my death. That I am alive is a minor miracle in itself.
You can act obnoxious, and have me killed because 'I'm a threat to the ship', 'I'm mutinous' yadda yadda yadda. But the truth is, I will never get another chance to unseat you. So finally, I'm asking you to lynch someone else, and I'll do what you wish for night orders. Maybe I should just give up on chasing the Presence.
Exactly, you have nothing left to lose. Thus, you are dangerous and unpredictable.
seireikhaan
10-08-2012, 21:16
Vote: Visorslash
As The Lord hath decreed. The follower of Roman Heresy shall be extirpated.
Visorslash is still capable of causing trouble even if he is left alive. Perhaps he has no chance of winning, but he could mess things up significantly enough to give the Spaniards an advantage.
Vote: Visorslash
Exactly, you have nothing left to lose. Thus, you are dangerous and unpredictable.
I still have my life to lose. You haven't taken that from me.
What am I going to do that could harm you? BSmith will not mutiny/coup. It is highly unlikely that TinCow will either. My actions are shown in the writeup unless I investigate. I'm not going to win if I survive, but I would like to the character to survive for epilogue purposes, hence the offer. The ONLY way I can win is if I am Captain by the end of the game. That will not happen, we both know that. But if I could survive to the end of the game, I'd be happy.
Yes I'm the Frenchman as you have no doubt figured out. If you want to compare 'cojones' and be bragging about your size, I suggest you make peace with the world, as testicular cancer will come a knocking. :stare:
My death will not help you catch Spaniards, though. The only thing I can offer is my powers for my life, to see this character survive the game. I have lost, I admit it. My only chance was a coup, as it is extremely hard if I don't get captain Day 1 to unseat the captain. I might've gained more by revealing I had a role Day 1, but that's in the past now. I did try to achieve my victory conditions, and I suppose I came closeish to getting them. Zack, you actually told me that you knew I had an investigation power, before I told you, IIRC. I actually knew BSmith had told you before tonight, though I ignored it, hoping that he may have told you that to dissuade you from ordering my death. That I am alive is a minor miracle in itself.
You can act obnoxious, and have me killed because 'I'm a threat to the ship', 'I'm mutinous' yadda yadda yadda. But the truth is, I will never get another chance to unseat you. So finally, I'm asking you to lynch someone else, and I'll do what you wish for night orders. Maybe I should just give up on chasing the Presence.
You are the best lynch available at the moment. I agree that a Spaniard would be better, but I don't know any. If you do, you might be able to save yourself for one more day by telling us who he/she is.
Visorslash is still capable of causing trouble even if he is left alive. Perhaps he has no chance of winning, but he could mess things up significantly enough to give the Spaniards an advantage.
Vote: Visorslash
If the town is willing to spare me, then I'm not going to mess things up for them.
seireikhaan
10-08-2012, 21:35
If the town is willing to spare me, then I'm not going to mess things up for them.
Any who make a deal with the devil deserve the comeuppance they will incur.
Askthepizzaguy
10-08-2012, 21:47
Any who make a deal with the devil deserve the comeuppance they will incur.
I'm not such a bad fella when you get to know me.
Diana Abnoba
10-08-2012, 22:00
I believe issiakhaan was talking about Visor in his post, but it also fits for you most of the time. :laugh4:
Montmorency
10-09-2012, 01:24
Ah, aren't you a very careful man, Captain?
Too careful, perhaps. The Frenchman has no incentive to betray you. Don't you understand that his loyalty is only a single command away?
It is really no gamble at all, but an assured thing: two personal kills to your name.
You will not make a greater mistake in this game if you go through with having him lynched.
El Barto
10-09-2012, 03:14
As per Captain's orders, vote: Visorslash. J'accuse!
And ye had a lover, eh? Bawdy wenches hidden, ye not sharing? Avast, ye scumbag!
Any who make a deal with the devil deserve the comeuppance they will incur.
Indeed. No deals with the Papist French and Spaniards. Death to the House of Bourbon!
Ah, aren't you a very careful man, Captain?
Too careful, perhaps. The Frenchman has no incentive to betray you. Don't you understand that his loyalty is only a single command away?
It is really no gamble at all, but an assured thing: two personal kills to your name.
You will not make a greater mistake in this game if you go through with having him lynched.
Methought ye had walked the plank.
Ah, aren't you a very careful man, Captain?
Too careful, perhaps. The Frenchman has no incentive to betray you. Don't you understand that his loyalty is only a single command away?
It is really no gamble at all, but an assured thing: two personal kills to your name.
You will not make a greater mistake in this game if you go through with having him lynched.
No offense, but this statement is absurd. The Frenchman is a third party role that wins solo (or possibly with his woman, who is already dead). A Frenchman victory means a defeat for everyone else. Absent a mafioso to lynch, there is no better alternative. I see this mistake made constantly in games: townies let non-town-oriented third party roles seduce them and 'work' for them for no reason. There is no possible way we could ever trust anything the Frenchman said anyway, so attempting to use him as an ally is pointless.
No offense, but this statement is absurd. The Frenchman is a third party role that wins solo (or possibly with his woman, who is already dead). A Frenchman victory means a defeat for everyone else. Absent a mafioso to lynch, there is no better alternative. I see this mistake made constantly in games: townies let non-town-oriented third party roles seduce them and 'work' for them for no reason. There is no possible way we could ever trust anything the Frenchman said anyway, so attempting to use him as an ally is pointless.
Except I don't win independent of the town. GH changed the win condition so that the town can win if I am Captain. Why else would I bother contacting the (then) Quartermaster?
"For the record, in regards to TinCow's latest post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.p...ll=1#post2053487142
I've altered the Frenchman's victory conditions so that they're now independent of the town's - i.e. they can still win if you're Captain by defeating the Guardacosta, but you're probably going to have to cause a bloodbath in order to get the spot."
In regards to the above; tell me why I would do it, if I didn't know that my victory was independent of the town? I revealed to BSmith, when I was sure he was town.
You can say that I was lying, but we both know that's absurd. Why would I roleclaim a role that's anti town to a townie?
Truth of the matter is, you can lynch me and lose my services. Or you can lynch someone else, and have a vig/investigation role on your side. And if I annoy the mafia too much, they can waste a kill on me, rather then an actual townie.
I've already said I've given up on my VC. It is practically impossible to complete. I am willing to *again* work with the town. (I was planning to anyway as Captain, when I could offer an extra vig kill a night or an investigation.)
Vote: Buddhafish
One of my suspects for the Guardacosta.
Montmorency
10-09-2012, 04:00
No offense, but this statement is absurd. The Frenchman is a third party role that wins solo (or possibly with his woman, who is already dead). A Frenchman victory means a defeat for everyone else. Absent a mafioso to lynch, there is no better alternative. I see this mistake made constantly in games: townies let non-town-oriented third party roles seduce them and 'work' for them for no reason. There is no possible way we could ever trust anything the Frenchman said anyway, so attempting to use him as an ally is pointless.
What you don't seem to realize is that he can never outlynch us. Even the Mafia, should they gain the upper hand, could easily outlynch him.
The only way is for him to somehow break both the town and the scum. Even assuming he lies about his VC: how? He would be monitored the entire time, and no one is saying that we necessarily should keep him around until the final night if the game goes south.
It's better to lynch a mafioso today, as there are five. Of over two dozen players, we may discount Tincow(for now), Zack, Visor, and BSmith. Out of 22, 4 or 5: that's about a 1/5 chance of blind-lynching scum, which IMO is better than eliminating a potentially useful and known role.
Mistake? I've done it to game-winning effect. A well-managed 3rd-party killer is invaluable, and the last time someone advocated against using one such individual, he turned out to be scum: won the game, even.
El Barto
10-09-2012, 04:01
So, ye finally shows up, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJAw-fuYHk
Now stop lying and allow us to lie about like proper lazy pirates.
Fellas... Fellas... Let the town lose in its hubris, giving a chance to the Spaniards to infiltrate, like a good town is supposed to! XD
Montmorency
10-09-2012, 04:22
I knew you had to die from the moment I read, "Die like a good townie". :stare:
Ahahahahahah, ya craven bastard! Ruining the game for everyone, that gets in contact with you :P
I'll say it again, die like a good townie, instead of climbing all those mirrors lol
Double A
10-09-2012, 06:52
Can ghosts die?
Exactly, you have nothing left to lose. Thus, you are dangerous and unpredictable.
My thoughts exactly. vote: Visor
My thoughts on the matter are that whilst we could keep Visor alive on a good-behaviour bond, if we were to get to the endgame and need to lynch him to guarantee that he wouldn't make a kill, we'd be essentially wasting a lynch that could have been used to catch a Spaniard. That could potentially prove costly.
vote: Visorslash
Also: 1000th post! Balloons for everybody! :balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3:
Captain Blackadder
10-09-2012, 08:31
Vote:Visorslash
I used the : you know it is serious :)
Anyway aye,aye Capt'n
Nothin' else to add, methinks. Vote: Visorslash
Im gonna be a little different and not vote today, as i think the evidence on visorslash case is to little. People should stop mindless bandwagoning :(
:P
Im gonna be a little different and not vote today, as i think the evidence on visorslash case is to little. People should stop mindless bandwagoning :(
:P
Now, you really didn't read the thread, eh? Because he admitted to be the Frenchman.
NinjaCow64
10-09-2012, 11:42
Now, you really didn't read the thread, eh? Because he admitted to be the Frenchman.
Whic wad warrrrr thar lard wad pokkin' hid toongee oouteh!
Voye: Visorslash
Im gonna be a little different and not vote today, as i think the evidence on visorslash case is to little. People should stop mindless bandwagoning :(
:P
Y'er not votin' fo' the gold?
Double A
10-09-2012, 11:59
Whic wad warrrrr thar lard wad pokkin' hid toongee oouteh!
Voye: Visorslash
So how did a Scotsman wind up on a pirate ship in the first place?
Y'er not votin' fo' the gold?
He's dead, Jim.
johnhughthom
10-09-2012, 12:36
So, what's the deal with this failed group attack on Visor, did someone fail to get orders in on time, or does it look like someone was doing something else?
Pointless Vote: Visorslash, just for tha gold.
Montmorency
10-09-2012, 12:43
It pains me to say it, but JHT must be destroyed.
I urge you to listen to Monty, who is the only one of you lot spouting sense. I'm rogue and dangerous? Are you high? I'm not an idiot.
I really do hate the Org's mentality of Third Parties must die. Win stealers yes, but not neutrals, for crissake. Besides the fact that this is a wasted day phase for discussion, you're lynching someone who could be a lot of help.
Except I don't win independent of the town. GH changed the win condition so that the town can win if I am Captain. Why else would I bother contacting the (then) Quartermaster?
"For the record, in regards to TinCow's latest post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.p...ll=1#post2053487142
I've altered the Frenchman's victory conditions so that they're now independent of the town's - i.e. they can still win if you're Captain by defeating the Guardacosta, but you're probably going to have to cause a bloodbath in order to get the spot."
Where exactly did GH say this?
Where exactly did GH say this?
I sent him a PM about it, then he said check the quicktopic (I made a quicktopic for Arjos and myself). I can post the link if necessary, but what is the point if I'm going to be lynched anyway.
I sent him a PM about it, then he said check the quicktopic (I made a quicktopic for Arjos and myself). I can post the link if necessary, but what is the point if I'm going to be lynched anyway.
I will change my vote if you show me a GH-certified post saying exactly that. If it's QT, then it had better have the star next to his name.
I will change my vote if you show me a GH-certified post saying exactly that. If it's QT, then it had better have the star next to his name.
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/KUbpQakKJEr5
Go nuts.
A sidenote: I initially thought I could work with both parties, then I found out that was not he case, hence the change of plan in the QT.
Do you believe me yet?
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/KUbpQakKJEr5
Go nuts.
A sidenote: I initially thought I could work with both parties, then I found out that was not he case, hence the change of plan in the QT.
Do you believe me yet?
Unvote; Vote: Abstain
As a courtesy for some interesting PMs, and to uphold my side of the bargain.
At least vote for Buddhafish. That guy is actually scummy.
@ Everyone else
It would be appreciated if you also read the above QT and stopped voting me.
Captain Blackadder
10-09-2012, 13:27
Unvote Vote: Buddafish
Even though I still think Visorslash is going to get lynched we can still wait and lynch him when we get closer to the end in case he is lying about those goals of his. Anyway it can't hurt to have an alternate choice up for lynch.
I count AGAINST the mafia. I don't win with them. I win with the town as captain. I'm going to lose, but I would rather see the game out and give this character a fitting end. He's too cool to die.
johnhughthom
10-09-2012, 13:45
Unvote
Didn't like the lynch anyway, just went with it as anything else seemed a waste of time.
Unvote ; Vote : Buddafish
Allthough ATPG smells fishier.
johnhughthom
10-09-2012, 13:54
Allthough ATPG smells fishier.
Death will do that to you, show some respect!
I went with the bandwagon before, so now I may as well be a weathervane and run with the counter-wagon. Also, I'm curious to see how this all pans out.
unvote, vote: Buddhafish
Quick, somebody start a counter-counter-wagon on somebody else so I can join that!
Town lynch Visor, to have an unkillable investigator and attacker, would make you simply too strong and win the game: do not do it, it's too logical!!! XD
I loved TinCow's case:
This is the very same game, it's impossible for GH to change anything. Look the green sky is as blue as I remembered it! lol
I loved TinCow's case:
This is the very same game, it's impossible for GH to change anything. Look the green sky is as blue as I remember it! lol
That's rather ungrateful, considering that my line of questioning started the vote shift away from Visor. If you'd prefer, I can put my vote back on Visor. I wouldn't want you to think I'm inconsistent, after all.
Ironside
10-09-2012, 18:32
vote: Buddhafish
For the gold.
Visor, I think I'm okay with you being my lapdog. For now.
At least vote for Buddhafish. That guy is actually scummy.
So... why exactly is Mr. Buddhafish "actually scummy." I've just re-read the thread to try and determine if he's actually worth voting for, and there's essentially nothing on this guy. He's made 5 posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=9187968), none of which seems particularly odd. In fact, the only case I can even find on why the guy is scum is this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142535-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-II-IN-PLAY&p=2053488040&viewfull=1#post2053488040), in which Zaccino includes him on a list of 12 suspects, bolding him for reasons which aren't explained. There's also a post by ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142535-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-II-IN-PLAY&p=2053488044&viewfull=1#post2053488044) supporting removing him simply because ATPG can't read him and wasn't working with him. Neither of those are particularly noteworthy cases, let alone worthy of classifying him as "actually scummy."
If you want my vote on Buddhafish, you're going to have to give me a reason for putting it there.
ATPG wanted Buddhafish eliminated because he was unlikely to show up and vote for a mutiny, thus making himself a threat to ATPG.
Buddhafish is not a good lynch.
Exactly what I thought. How about this one for a Visor-saving alterna-lynch?
Unvote; Vote: Diana Abnoba
ATPG wanted Buddhafish eliminated because he was unlikely to show up and vote for a mutiny, thus making himself a threat to ATPG.
Buddhafish is not a good lynch.
To elaborate, this was the reasoning on edse as well.
Actual legitimate suspects:
autolycus
Double A
JoanK
JHT
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
ATPG wanted Buddhafish eliminated because he was unlikely to show up and vote for a mutiny, thus making himself a threat to ATPG.
Buddhafish is not a good lynch.
To elaborate, this was the reasoning on edse as well.
But I were very likely to show up and vote for mutiny :stare:
To elaborate, this was the reasoning on edse as well.
Scratch that. edse is a fine lynch.
Actual legitimate suspects:
autolycus
Double A
edse
JoanK
JHT
Jolt
Kagemusha
Kaiser Friedrich III
Lyra
We don't have much time left, so everyone needs to switch to Buddhafish, even though he isn't the ideal lynch choice.
If you are currently voting for Visorslash: VOTE FOR BUDDHAFISH
If you are currently voting for anyone else: VOTE FOR BUDDHAFISH
If you are currently not voting: VOTE FOR BUDDHAFISH
If you are currently voting for Buddhafish: VOTE FOR BUDDHAFISH
Also, keep in mind that the Spanish want to see Visorslash dead, and will be reluctant to change their votes. He is more dangerous to them than he is to us at this point in the game.
This is the tally I have:
Visorslash - 10
Buddhafish - 5
Diana Abnoba - 1
Oh, very well. Omelette, eggs, etc.
Unvote; Vote: Buddhafish
I admit I would get some small pleasure out of seeing the Frenchman survive into another epilogue.
Unvote: Vote: Buddahfish
I believe the correct tally is 8-8 now
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