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White_eyes:D

01-26-2013, 19:17

The write-up reference is to the Wheel of Time series, whose final book came out recently.

I thought the author died before writing it?:confused:

Darth Feather

01-26-2013, 19:44

It was finished by someone else with the instructions of the original writer.

Ishmael

01-26-2013, 23:29

Sheesh Graendal, couldn't you have been sloppy like Semmirhage and killed me with the pleasure part?

Askthepizzaguy

01-27-2013, 02:56

Vote: Reidquat

LazyMcCrow

01-27-2013, 10:54

Vote: Reidquat
It's night - shouldn't you be out killing people?

Riedquat

01-27-2013, 16:47

Night vote: Pazzi ~:smoking:

Askthepizzaguy

01-27-2013, 19:35

It's night - shouldn't you be out killing people?

Implies that I'm mafia- you may test that theory at your convenience.

Andres

01-27-2013, 21:36

The Palace - Night 5 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/vollemaan.jpg

Chaotix was a smart man.In fact, he wasn't just a smart man, he was a genius. For these last few months, he had been working on a revolutionary car. A car which was fast but also very economic. He had found the secret to let the car drive on air. Simple air. No pollution and the resources were limitless. In fact, the car cleaned the air in the proces. He had just saved the entire planet!

While he was enjoying his ride late in the night, he came accross what seemed to be a McDonalds drive-in.

"Odd," he thought to himself, "I can't remember that being there yesterday".

That said, Chaotix did feel hungry, so he entered the drive in.

"Good evening sir," a man standing next to the drive-in said to him. "This is a very special drive-in. You just need to drive your car into that box over there and revolutionary high-tech equipment will note down your order, give you your food and take the money from your account.

"Marvelous!" Chaotix, the inventor yelled. "Let's try this out."

Chaotix drived his car into the box when suddenly metallic sounds started. The walls of the revolutionary box came near. In fact, it wasn't some high-tech revolutionary thing, it was a disguised car crusher...

***

"Woo! Hee!" the clown said, jumping up and down. He jumped in his car and drove around, some of the finest pizza's on his backseat.

When he arrived at his first destination, he got out from the car and rang the doorbell.

The door opened, but there was nobody.

After five minuts of waiting, Askthepizzaguy's curiosity got the better of him and he entered the house.

"You're dead," a voice whispered.

"No, I'm not," Pizza replied.

"Oh yes you are."

"No, no, no! I've still got pizza's to deliver. If you insist, I'll come back after my work day is over, which will be within three weeks."

The voice laughed softy.

Suddenly, strong arms grabbed Pizza and somebody stabbed him in the back with an ancient scimitar. While he was watching the blade, with his own blood dripping from it, he sighed.

"They won't be happy. I'm sure this will go off my salary..."

***

The Palace - Day 5

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

It was early in the morning when the remaining villagers gathered before Don E.

"Two more," he simply said and he stared at the villagers.

Slowly, he took his bottle and sipped from his whisky.

***

Alive (15/29)
Riedquat
BSmith
autolycus
Jarema
TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Csargo
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
a completely inoffensive name
edse
Visorslash
Xenoneb

Killed (10)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG

Lynched (4)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (2)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4

***

It's now day. Day will last for 48 hours.

TinCow

01-27-2013, 23:23

Boo! Poor showing killing off one of the more active players. :rtwno:

El Barto

01-27-2013, 23:34

Boo! Poor showing killing off one of the more active players. :rtwno:
And why do you lampshade on it? vote: TinCow

robbiecon

01-27-2013, 23:43

Alas, replaced as soon as I remembered I was indeed in this game!

EDIT: I'm also willing to replace back in if Visorslash doesn't show up to replace me.

GeneralHankerchief

01-27-2013, 23:46

My compliments to the author of the kill writeups, be they Andres, the mafia, or some combination thereof. They really make me laugh. :laugh4:

Arjos

01-28-2013, 00:05

Vote: TinCow, for his much ado about nothing ^^

White_eyes:D

01-28-2013, 00:32

You guys should try and bring some lurkers forth, as happy as I would be that TinCow gets lynched for being his scummy self, it's not very helpful for townie activity.

Vote:a completely inoffensive name

Chaotix

01-28-2013, 00:43

Ouch. Guess this game won't be seeing any mod action for a while.

All you hooligans feel free to un-:daisy: all of your :daisy:'s, we'll never ever catch you...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 00:54

And why do you lampshade on it? vote: TinCow

I have no idea what that even means.

Chaotix

01-28-2013, 03:41

I have no idea what that even means.

"Hang a lampshade on it" is literary-slang for acknowledging that you are doing something obvious and blatant and then making fun of it in some way.

I'm not really sure if El Barto is using it correctly. Maybe from the point of view of an outsider watching the entire game...

LazyMcCrow

01-28-2013, 10:00

My goodness I have no judgement. TinCow it is then! ...although Arjos is walking with a swagger this morning.... hmmm. I have no idea.

Darth Feather

01-28-2013, 11:09

I think Tincow is actually helping the town. A lurker might be a better vote. vote: Xenoneb

Arjos

01-28-2013, 11:42

I think Tincow is actually helping the town.

His biased cases on obvious non-scum, that ended up lynching at least one of them, you mean?

Though to be fair, I'm fine with Xeno's lynch aswell, at least a lurking mafia has to be there, looking at overall activity...
But I think, I've seen him forgetting about an org game already, so not out of his character (I'm guessing he's on several fora)...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 15:04

His biased cases on obvious non-scum, that ended up lynching at least one of them, you mean?

Exaggerate much? I have made exactly one case this entire game, that against GH. If anyone's case is biased, it appears to be yours. How exactly do you know that GH was non-scum anyway? As far as I can tell, there's no information in the write-ups to let us know whether a lynch has been successful or not.

edse

01-28-2013, 15:10

Exaggerate much? I have made exactly one case this entire game, that against GH. If anyone's case is biased, it appears to be yours. How exactly do you know that GH was non-scum anyway? As far as I can tell, there's no information in the write-ups to let us know whether a lynch has been successful or not.

Don't worry, you have my support in case there is a tie.

Vote: Xenoneb

Arjos

01-28-2013, 15:27

I have made exactly one case this entire game, that against GH.

That and all the contrite reasoning with BSmith and Ishmael...
Since you said time to get serious, all you have done, has been distracting...

Riedquat

01-28-2013, 15:37

I can say I coincidently think like Darth F and/or I also can say as a resumed version of my thinking... blehh! I will be generous and say both!

I don't see Tincow being scummy, but if he is in the eyes of others I'd say I prefer a scummy Tincow, talking as he is, than the rest of town, silent and boring as they are, me included of course!

Oh! And Blehh!

Don't worry, you have my support in case there is a tie.

Vote: Xenoneb

And what do you plan to do? unvote xeno? :inquisitive:

Vote: Xenoneb

TinCow

01-28-2013, 16:20

That and all the contrite reasoning with BSmith and Ishmael...
Since you said time to get serious, all you have done, has been distracting...

Again, a lot of exaggeration. I have made exactly one post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508419&viewfull=1#post2053508419) with any reasoning about Ishmael and BSmith. That post was essentially a response to 'khaan's request to have TheFlax lynched, it was simply pointing out an argument that had already been advanced by GH. You seem rather agitated by my relatively minimal contributions to this game, why is that exactly? And please, do explain how you know that GH is "obvious non-scum."

Makrell

01-28-2013, 16:40

Vote: Xenoeb

Lurkers beware

Arjos

01-28-2013, 16:47

That post was essentially a response to 'khaan's request to have TheFlax lynched, it was simply pointing out an argument that had already been advanced by GH.

That is textbook mafia: contorting or pushing town's arguments, to increase credibility and ride the tide for wagons...
In our case it made two of them, tying, imo none of the two were mafia (looking at their voting)...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 16:52

That is textbook mafia: contorting or pushing town's arguments, to increase credibility and ride the tide for wagons...
In our case it made two of them, tying, imo none of the two were mafia (looking at their voting)...

You still haven't explained why you said that GH was "obvious non-scum." Obvious is a very strong word and implies a level of certainty that is highly unusual in mafia, particularly in a classic-style game like this one. What was it about GH that made him so obviously not scum?

Visor

01-28-2013, 16:53

The second/third guy who voted for Xeno should be lynched.

Dunno who that is, but this is a bad lynch.

TheFlax

01-28-2013, 17:31

The second/third guy who voted for Xeno should be lynched.

Dunno who that is, but this is a bad lynch.

Second is edse who is replacing Cornelius, so no.

Apart from that, why couldn't you be bothered to take a few more moments to check for yourself? Its not like these day phases are overflowing with posts.

Arjos

01-28-2013, 18:49

You still haven't explained why you said that GH was "obvious non-scum."

Because I never did XD

I was speaking of Ishmael and by the extension the Ishmael-BSmith duo, that you sidelined on that ridiculous case and pushed it forward, influencing town...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 18:52

Because I never did XD

I was speaking of Ishmael and by the extension the Ishmael-BSmith duo, that you sidelined on that ridiculous case and pushed it forward, influencing town...

Ok then, why are Ishmael and BSmith "obvious non-scum"?

Arjos

01-28-2013, 19:04

BSmith as I said was a fifth voter on a wagon, that's just unnecessary for any mafia...

Ishmael, iirc he broke at first a tie on Xeno, in which case both are mafia and soon both goners...
Otherwise he was just a townie voting however he felt like...

Regardless your vote was on BSmith, so if Ishmael is scum, then you are very likely to be the 3rd one (not voting yet), since the 2nd (Xeno) is about to meet a bus on his face, desperately trying to get something out of this conversation...

On the same boat, I see Darth Feather, coasting around and quoting other players with the mafia-like "I agree with him and will vote like him" bla bla bla...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 19:14

BSmith as I said was a fifth voter on a wagon, that's just unnecessary for any mafia...

Pardon if this question is redundant, but I want to make sure I clearly understand you. You're saying the reason BSmith is "obviously non-scum" is because he was the fifth person to vote for GH?

Ishmael, iirc he broke at first a tie on Xeno, in which case both are mafia and soon both goners...
Otherwise he was just a townie voting however he felt like...

I'd like some clarification here. You appear to be saying that there are two possible scenarios for Ishmael. First, he and Xeno are both scum. Second, Ishmael is a townie. Why is there no scenario in which Ismael is scum but Xeno is not? Also, you just gave a scenario in which Ishmael could be scum. Why then would you call him "obviously non-scum"?

Regardless your vote was on BSmith, so if Ishmael is scum, then you are very likely to be the 3rd one (not voting yet), since the 2nd (Xeno) is about to meet a bus on his face, desperately trying to get something out of this conversation...

Ok then, so your theory is that now Ishmael, Xeno, and I are all a scum team? How would that work if Ishmael is "obviously non-scum"?

Arjos

01-28-2013, 19:31

Being the fifth, all it did was giving him spotlight...
Mafia loves that right? What would any mafia gain by voting a dead man walking?

He voted with like 20 mins left on the clock, there's just no logic behind it, other than a busy man having the decency to show up...

Ishmael, all that can be gained from his votes, was that he broke the tie, putting GH in the lead...
Should he turn up mafia, then Xeno has to be, because again why in the world would any mafia member break a tie and get attention?

In overall, I'd say BSmith can't be mafia, if Ishmael is (unlikely as it is imo), then GH isn't either...

TinCow

01-28-2013, 19:34

Riedquat

01-28-2013, 19:53

The second/third guy who voted for Xeno should be lynched.

Dunno who that is, but this is a bad lynch.

Third, would be me... I voted for him yesterday too for what is worth, why is a bad lynch? Is he participating in any way? No. Good lynch then, or at least, better than Tincow, imo.

Arjos

01-28-2013, 19:54

TinCow

01-28-2013, 20:27

It's not because they did it, it's how they did it...

There's no incentive for the mafia to do it (except in Ishmael's case, to save Xeno)...
Now that I look at the time, Ishmael did it with an hour left, that's very bad, I'd say it's back to 50/50, him being scum...
Although with certain time zones, I know these games' deadlines can make it harder...

If you can believe that the mafia, knowing what they know, seeing other townies tied, decided to break the tie or to pile votes; well send me a postcard from your planet and I'll be sure to visit someday XD

I think it depends on the person. Some players have no issues with drawing attention to themselves while mafia; I would fully expect mafia-ATPG or mafia-Reenk to break ties without any hesitation. I don't know Ishmael's style well enough to make that kind of a call in his case.

My issue at the moment remains your use of "obvious non-scum." As has probably been clear, I've had visions of PIS dancing in my head ever since you said it. I've held off on voting for you for that reason because you've been willing to answer my questions, which is something I respect even if I your answers make me want to post the stare smiley. The fact remains though that you did say that, and then continued to express support for the statement. Setting aside Ishmael, who you've apparently had something of sudden a change of heart on and are now no longer sure about much of anything, that still leaves BSmith. BSmith piled onto a bandwagon that had a lot of steam at the last minute. While the timing may be in his favor and his reason for voting for GH met my personal approval, it's still a major reach to say he's "obvious non-scum." If it's so obvious, why did four people vote for him the following day, one of which has since been killed and thus was likely 'non-scum'? Was GH's argument about him really that poor? If so, do you think GH was scum? If not, how can there be a good argument against a someone who is obviously non-scum?

Arjos

01-28-2013, 20:47

Ahahahahah, well obvious to me, I don't expect my view to be the absolute rule lol
What a terrible world, would that make XD

GH's reason was the simpliest thing: they voted me the last...
Which, imo, is something very townie like...

But as I said, by looking at the time (of BSmith I was sure, Ishmael I just noticed), there's ground to say BSmith is off the hook...
As for Pizza and Reenk, I completely agree, I've been saying all of this, because I don't see any of the previous pair doing it...

Well, likely I've rationalized your position to fit the rest...
But to be frank, the optimist in me would love for Ishmael to be scum, but the realist in me doesn't believe that we were that lucky :P

So the general feeling I'm getting is a sleepy town, with little going on, settling for reading the awesome write-ups...
With at least one mafia active, helping with smoke screen, that's why (coupled with the "Ishmael if" scenario) I'm inclined to vote for you...

Any other impulsive townie, in your position would've voted for me way back...
But that just makes you one of the good ones ^^

I can switch to Xeno in any moment, should it be needed...
If you aren't scum and all the mafia has been lurking, then honestly, what's the point? lol

TinCow

01-28-2013, 21:13

So the general feeling I'm getting is a sleepy town, with little going on, settling for reading the awesome write-ups...
With at least one mafia active, helping with smoke screen, that's why (coupled with the "Ishmael if" scenario) I'm inclined to vote for you...

On this, I agree with you.

Honestly though, I don't like the Xeno lynch. He strikes me as an actual lurker, not a fake one. Clearly we've got at least one mafioso who's sufficiently active to get orders in on time every night, if nothing else. He has a grand total of one post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508537#post2053508537) since this game started. In that post he said he wasn't aware the game had started. He said that just before Andres replaced two players, which is consistent with him getting a 'nudge PM' from Andres at around that time, thus making him go active. In addition, that's not an excuse I think a mafioso would give because all of us got a PM from Andres saying the game was starting. Any mafioso who's been able to get orders in every night is going to be paying sufficient attention to know that PM was sent out. The only reason to say you're unaware that the game had started after having received a PM saying the game had started was if you're actually a legit lurker who's flaking out on the game. Xeno also hasn't posted anywhere else on the Org since the time he made that post. The only other post he's made since the 19th was a congrats post in the Chemistry game, made 3 minutes after his post in here. That's consistent with someone who's been AWOL coming in to check on his games, responding to an Andres' nudge PM and then posting in another game he was participating in. Since then he doesn't even appear to have been on the Org, let alone around to submit orders. That's not to say he couldn't be mafia; he certainly could. However, we can clearly tell that at least one mafioso is active enough to get orders in, so that's a better place to start looking than someone who looks like a legit lurker.

So, I'd like to propose an alternative.

Vote: ACIN

Acts aloof early on, giving himself an immediate alibi for not posting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053507445&viewfull=1#post2053507445). He then puts a lot of effort into intentional off-topic posts and continues them at length to the point of eye-rolling. Gets called on this by 'khaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508119&viewfull=1#post2053508119) and ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508122&viewfull=1#post2053508122) on Day 3. Reacts by immediately voting for the next closest lynch option (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508142&viewfull=1#post2053508142) (me) and acts aloof multiple (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508147&viewfull=1#post2053508147) times (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508260#post2053508260). He is then saved from the lynch by the GH bandwagon... and goes completely silent in this game. He's made no posts in this thread for the last 5 days, but he's been posting on the Org on all previous days, indicating that he's on the forum and fully capable of reading the thread and submitting orders. Thus, ACIN appears to be a 'fake' lurker, as contrasted with Xeno's 'legit' lurker.

GeneralHankerchief

01-28-2013, 21:26

You still haven't explained why you said that GH was "obvious non-scum." Obvious is a very strong word and implies a level of certainty that is highly unusual in mafia, particularly in a classic-style game like this one. What was it about GH that made him so obviously not scum?

Honestly yeah, I was pretty scummy.

Csargo

01-28-2013, 21:59

It's a shame that one of the leaders of discussion in this game is also one of the vote leaders at this point. I don't think lynching him will be beneficial in any way.

Vote: Makrell

He's been doing the same thing I've been doing. That's pretty scummy imho.

BSmith

01-28-2013, 23:00

He voted with like 20 mins left on the clock, there's just no logic behind it, other than a busy man having the decency to show up...

To add my two cents on the topic, this is exactly right. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, If I were scum I’d be paying much closer attention to the thread and would not do something that would put undue pressure on me. Given the number of lurkers/non-voters I probably wouldn't have voted at all and stayed hiding in the crowd.

I’d also like to point out that Arjos and I have been on quite a few teams together lately, so he likely has some more insight to my play style (both as scum and as town) than average.

I dislike games without reveals on death. Especially when I am vanilla. Thread analysis is way harder, and building reliable cases on people is almost impossible. For all we know GH was scum and this whole conversation is moot. But we don’t so here we are.

I agree with Xeno likely being a true lurker, and probably a waste of a lynch. If he continues he will be replaced or WOG’d. Much better to lynch someone else for now, and I do see merit to TinCow’s case on ACIN. It’s not the strongest case, but with no reveals it will have to do.

vote: ACIN

TheFlax

01-28-2013, 23:35

Vote: Visorslash

TheFlax

01-28-2013, 23:42

Actually, if I haven't miscounted, its a tie between Xenoneb and ACIN. Since I'd rather see the latter be lynched: Unvote, Vote: ACIN

White_eyes:D

01-29-2013, 01:13

He's been doing the same thing I've been doing. That's pretty scummy imho.
Yeah....and my vote on you before was not justified when even you think you act scummy?:inquisitive:

If you and TinCow are scum, I will kick myself for ever letting you both get a pass of my scum sense on you two.(Which is going red alert BTW):wall:

LazyMcCrow

01-29-2013, 01:25

Yeah....and my vote on you before was not justified when even you think you act scummy?:inquisitive:

If you and TinCow are scum, I will kick myself for ever letting you both get a pass of my scum sense on you two.(Which is going red alert BTW):wall:

I dont think you're far wrong White Eyes. That comment by Csargo seems too scummy to be true, but maybe that's because its true. But mainly: TinCows earlier rant rattled my cage a bit - I don't know about all the ins and outs, but I wouldn't bet against TinCow flipping Scum in this one.

a completely inoffensive name

01-29-2013, 08:22

On this, I agree with you.

Honestly though, I don't like the Xeno lynch. He strikes me as an actual lurker, not a fake one. Clearly we've got at least one mafioso who's sufficiently active to get orders in on time every night, if nothing else. He has a grand total of one post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508537#post2053508537) since this game started. In that post he said he wasn't aware the game had started. He said that just before Andres replaced two players, which is consistent with him getting a 'nudge PM' from Andres at around that time, thus making him go active. In addition, that's not an excuse I think a mafioso would give because all of us got a PM from Andres saying the game was starting. Any mafioso who's been able to get orders in every night is going to be paying sufficient attention to know that PM was sent out. The only reason to say you're unaware that the game had started after having received a PM saying the game had started was if you're actually a legit lurker who's flaking out on the game. Xeno also hasn't posted anywhere else on the Org since the time he made that post. The only other post he's made since the 19th was a congrats post in the Chemistry game, made 3 minutes after his post in here. That's consistent with someone who's been AWOL coming in to check on his games, responding to an Andres' nudge PM and then posting in another game he was participating in. Since then he doesn't even appear to have been on the Org, let alone around to submit orders. That's not to say he couldn't be mafia; he certainly could. However, we can clearly tell that at least one mafioso is active enough to get orders in, so that's a better place to start looking than someone who looks like a legit lurker.

So, I'd like to propose an alternative.

Vote: ACIN

Acts aloof early on, giving himself an immediate alibi for not posting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053507445&viewfull=1#post2053507445). He then puts a lot of effort into intentional off-topic posts and continues them at length to the point of eye-rolling. Gets called on this by 'khaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508119&viewfull=1#post2053508119) and ATPG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508122&viewfull=1#post2053508122) on Day 3. Reacts by immediately voting for the next closest lynch option (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508142&viewfull=1#post2053508142) (me) and acts aloof multiple (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508147&viewfull=1#post2053508147) times (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?143255-The-Palace-IN-PLAY&p=2053508260#post2053508260). He is then saved from the lynch by the GH bandwagon... and goes completely silent in this game. He's made no posts in this thread for the last 5 days, but he's been posting on the Org on all previous days, indicating that he's on the forum and fully capable of reading the thread and submitting orders. Thus, ACIN appears to be a 'fake' lurker, as contrasted with Xeno's 'legit' lurker.

I'm a villager. :shrug: Don't know how to convince you otherwise. When I get involved in a game whether I am mafia or powerless townie, I always put attention on myself. Most of the time I try to make vigilante groups, obviously I haven't done that according to the write ups.

If you want to kill a lurker who isn't really a lurker, try Vote: Darth Feather
This dude has been voting every single day and has said nothing in thread substantial. He bases his first two votes off of random.org. Then goes on to make 5 pointless filler posts that contribute nothing but give him plausible deniability.

Gems such as "This makes sense. vote: Ishmael". or when he voted for Xenoneb based entirely off of something Monty said, then goes on to vote for Ishmael with the previous statement shown then switches back to Xenoneb for no reason whatsoever. Lame mafia is lame.

Jarema

01-29-2013, 09:26

Boo! Poor showing killing off one of the more active players. :rtwno:

if this post is not scummy, I do not know what is.
vote: TinCow

TBH, mafia killing active players in this game may help us. How? They are confirmed innocents now, so we can analyze their post from this point of view. We do not have such certainty with lynched ones.

Arjos

01-29-2013, 09:51

a completely inoffensive name

01-29-2013, 10:28

Riedquat

01-29-2013, 13:35

Umm... ACIN that part about you being a villager and not showing in the write-ups doing vigilante actions sounds too bad. You can't do vigilante actions if you are a townie, the write-ups have nothing to do with it...

TinCow

01-29-2013, 13:40

I'm a villager. :shrug: Don't know how to convince you otherwise. When I get involved in a game whether I am mafia or powerless townie, I always put attention on myself. Most of the time I try to make vigilante groups, obviously I haven't done that according to the write ups.

If you want to kill a lurker who isn't really a lurker, try Vote: Darth Feather
This dude has been voting every single day and has said nothing in thread substantial. He bases his first two votes off of random.org. Then goes on to make 5 pointless filler posts that contribute nothing but give him plausible deniability.

Gems such as "This makes sense. vote: Ishmael". or when he voted for Xenoneb based entirely off of something Monty said, then goes on to vote for Ishmael with the previous statement shown then switches back to Xenoneb for no reason whatsoever. Lame mafia is lame.

And here we go... this post itself is evidence that you've been monitoring the thread but not posting. True lurkers like Xeno are oblivious to their own lynchings. You are not, because you are paying attention. Therefore your silence is intentional. It began right after you almost got lynched and continued right up to the moment you became a lynch candidate again. Clearly you are petrified of being lynched, which kept you from posting at all for several days, and then forced you to return to activity today.

Visor

01-29-2013, 13:48

Haven't read any other post so far except tin cows, but if Acin is doing what you say then it is a big chance of him being scum. I remember the revenging and he did this exact same thing. I noticed it then, but I was a crap player then. I know better now. Vote: ACIN

Darth Feather

01-29-2013, 15:26

Meh, all I've seen in other games of ACIN were gun squads really :P
His whole story previously was to be busy studying, but he still posted all over the forum...

And DF was one I mentioned before too, gah!

I'll Unvote; Vote: ACIN, worst case it's one less distraction...

I could not answer before due to RL (my computer broke down).
IMHO agreeing with someone is not wrong. Should I just like Autolycus vote without reasoning?
Then I think a little reasoning is not that bad even if it is not the best/most airthight reasoning ever.
And about my first vote for Xenoneb: we had nothing better.I did not think GH was guilty, because I think he would be more active if he were scum. It is just a biased opinion, but why should I not trust my feeling. I could as well have voted for you for lurking. That's why: unvote;vote: A completely inoffensive name

autolycus

01-29-2013, 15:37

vote:acin

The reasonless voter strikes again!

In all honesty, I think TinCow may have a point, although it could just be that he was poked by the Host about inactivity, I know I was.

Arjos

01-29-2013, 18:37

This looks like a good lynch and mafia likely bussed acin...

Andres

01-29-2013, 21:46

The Palace - Day 5 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

Don E was sitting in his chair, smoking yet another expensive cigar and opening yet another bottle of his favourite whisky, when the villagers brought a completely inoffensive name before him.

"What's the matter with you people? I'm a scientist! I invent stuff! What did I do wrong?"

"Your name is way too long! It takes ages to spell it."

"What? That's a reason to kill a brilliant scientist? My name is..."

"Very offensive in its' inoffensiveness!" several villagers yelled. "You just assume it's funny, but for us it is very tiresome. "a completely inoffensive name"... That's 4 words. Four! Do you think we don't have anything better to do than to spell long names."

"This is utterly ridiculous! Do you have any idea how long it took me to come up with this name? Do you have any idea of the hardships I had to endure before I finally used this name?" a completely way too long name which I will now shorten to ACIN for the rest of the write-up said, his voice going crescendo. "You know what? I'm through with you idiots! I'm out of here! I'll lock myself up in the Backroom and will devote my time on chemistry!"

At that point, ACIN was yelling. He turned around, his face purple and wanted to walk away.

"Not so fast," Don E said, pointing his trusted FN Baracuda at ACIN.

ACIN stopped, turned around again and looked at Don E.

"Not a boring bullet between the eyes please. I deserve better than that."

"Oh, Monsieur the Chemist desires preferential treatment?"

"Yes."

"Fine."

Don E holstered his gun again.

"The problem is, I don't know anything about chemistry..."

"Perhaps I can make a suggestion?" ACIN asked.

"Aha! H2SO4. Yes, that's about the only thing I remember from high school."

ACIN felt a wee bit uncomfortable. "Sulfuric acid?" he whispered.

"Yes! Didn't they tell you those funny stories about the mafia dissolving their victims in sulfuric acid? I even heard a story about some guy who threw his victims in H2SO4 while they were still alive! We tried it out with a mouse once and it worked!"

"But, but, it will take a while. Surely, you want something that goes faster, like blowing me up or something. I can prepare for you the finest explosives. And for the occasion, good sir, I can make it so that while I'm blown into pieces, some nice fireworks..."

"Tut tut tut," Don E said. "I've already shown you some mercy by granting your request, that is a dead related to chemistry."

ACIN didn't say a word. While a few villagers tied him up, others filled a bath with H2SO4.

ACIN started to laugh hysterically.

"What is it now?"

"You tied me up with ropes! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

"I don't see the joke," Don E said.

"Those ropes will disappear in no time! It's absurd. It shows you know absolutely nothing about chemistry. HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

While he was still laughing hysterically, two villagers threw ACIN in the bath.

***

ACIN: 8 (BSmith, autolycus, TinCow, Darth Feather, Arjos, White_Eyes:D, TheFlax, Visorslash) :skull:

Xenoneb: 3 (Riequat, Makrell, edse)
TinCow: 1 (Jarema)
Darth Feather: 1 (ACIN)
Makrell: 1 (Csargo)

Not voting: 1 (Xenoneb)

***

Alive (14/29)
Riedquat
BSmith
autolycus
Jarema
TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Csargo
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
edse
Visorslash
Xenoneb

Killed (10)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG

Lynched (5)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (2)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4

***

It's now night. PM's please. (nights last only 24 hours).

Askthepizzaguy

01-29-2013, 22:56

Finally. It was discouraging seeing him get away with such a blatant thread ducking tactic, especially after being called on it and pleading RL till he was blue in the face.

Andres

01-30-2013, 22:38

The Palace - Night 6 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/vollemaan.jpg

Many people work two jobs to make ends meet. Others work two jobs just because they like the little extra.

autolycus belonged in the latter category. In his time off, autolycus was a dog walker.

So, there was autolycus, walking with the towns' dogs. All 75 of them. autolycus could easily afford to share the workload with two others, but he was greedy.

During his walk, autolycus was enjoying all the new Christmas lights that had been put up. He was too engulfed with the Christmas lights to wonder why somebody would put those up now, let alone to notice the red dot on his chest. Luckily there was someone there to point it out too him.

He heard someone screaming "autolycus Watch Out! There is a red dot on your chest! It is a Sniper!!!"

The man threw autolycus what appeared to be a bulletproof vest and autolycus put it on without much thought. Suddenly he remembered a story he had once been told. The vest was sure to be covered with C-4 explosives! It was a trap!

Before it was too late autolycus took off the vest and threw it on the ground. Ha! He ran down the street with his 75 dogs, away from the vest feeling very pleased with his decision when a bullet coming from a silenced sniper rifle pierced his heart, killing him instantly.

***

Visorslash was sitting in his most comfortable chair, watching the latest news on his gigantic plasma tv. Apparantly some poor guy got shot by a sniper today. A bulletproof vest had been found on the scene of the crime. Was it a cruel joke by the killer, did the victim, for some reason, take out his bulletproof vest to challenge the sniper or was it all just a coincidence? But most importantly: who would now take out the town dogs?

While he was thinking about these important life questions, he heard a soft ticking against his window. At first, he ignored it, but after a while, it became annoying enough, so he stood up to take a look.

Much to his amazement, there was a huge crane standing right next to his house. From the crane, hung a cd box. Visorslash grabbed it and looked at it.

"I didn't know Bruce Springsteen was that desperate to sell his 17th studio album...," Visorslash said to himself.

He looked up at the crane and yelled : "Hey, you! I already have this album. Go and take your business elsewhere! And for your information: I don't think selling cd's this way will gain you much profit. Hiring such a crane must be ..."

The man handling the crane didn't hear the rest of Visorslash' lesson in business management, but looked up, with a frustrated look on his face.

"What? You said "Wrecking Ball"!"

"Oh please."

"Ok, ok."

In the meanwhile, Visorslash was back in his house, shaking his head in disbelief. Back in his comfortable chair, he suddenly had a bad feeling. The feeling was justified, since a giant wrecking ball was coming into his direction, causing his house to collapse around him.

***

BSmith felt very secure. After Don E had decided he was innocent that day, his selfconfidence had gotten a boost. Surely, nothing could happen to him now. That's why he dared to be out at night. Who would touch him? To touch him would be the same as touching Don E, surely! He was untouchable now.

And rightly so! A man who was able, in this day and age, to tame his offspring and to succesfully shield them from damnable television shows of the most annoying degree was a hero. A true hero! An example to the lesser beings of this world. The man wasn't just great because Don E had saved his life. The man was great on his own merits! He should be writing books! And donate the profits to authors of silly mafia write-ups. He deserved a statue. Away with that stupid Statue of Liberty. A BSmith statue, that's what we need!

Walking further down the road, BSmith was looking carefully to the left and right, when suddenly, 75 dogs barking at him made him stumble, which saved his life!

He could literally feel the bullet missing him. Was he a lucky man or what? Blessed by Don E and the Gods!

Not willing to challenge fate even more, BSmith ran away. Unfortunately, he slipped over a copy of the Bruce Springsteen album "Wrecking Ball" and broke his neck.

The Palace - Day 6

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

Don E looked very troubled.

"3 victims"

A long sip from his whisky, shaking his head.

"But what is worse, is that I'll now have to take my dog out walking myself. And somebody stole my favourite Springsteen CD! This is inacceptable! Do something, headless chickens!"

***
@johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=26454) replaced @Xenoneb (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94303)

***

Alive (11/29)
Riedquat
Jarema
TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Csargo
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
edse
johnhughthom

Killed (13)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG
autolycus
Visorslash
BSmith

Lynched (5)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (2)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4
johnhughthom replaced Xenoneb at the beginning of Day 6

***

It's now day. Day will last for 48 hours.

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 00:15

:dizzy2: Three kills... how is that possible? Is there a vigilante out there or it was a special ability of Don E? After all it was his cd...

johnhughthom

01-31-2013, 00:33

That lazy, inactive Benny Boy hadn't been using his "Ultra Scum Double Mega Kill" ability, I changed that last night.

TinCow

01-31-2013, 01:15

:dizzy2: Three kills... how is that possible? Is there a vigilante out there or it was a special ability of Don E? After all it was his cd...

:stare: Really?

First, the rules specifically say Don E has no special abilities:

- The drug baron : publicly known role, no special abilities, will lead the executions and decide the outcome of the voting in case of a tie. Chosen by the host.

Second, the rules specifically say the mafia can kill two or three per night:

- Two or three "mafia": trained hitmen, from a secrect clone program. They aren't a perfect, polished product, but still skillfull enough for this assignment. They get two to three kills each night, depending on amount of sign-ups. Goal is to kill the drug baron and to leave no witnesses.

Third, there's a secret role:

- One secret role: it"s secret.

Given the obvious options, this seems like feigned surprise to me.

LazyMcCrow

01-31-2013, 01:22

Yup. Lynch RIedquat

White_eyes:D

01-31-2013, 07:32

You guys are all cowards....come back from an 8 hour shift and nobody votes for anyone???!!:furious:

I understand the need to be careful about these last few lynch's but the suspect list has also dropped, you can't go too far wrong. VOTE for that lurker and/or scumbag you think is suspicious and keep some kind of discussion going. At this rate the mafia are not even going to be posting and they well still win.:shame:

Vote:Makrell

After looking at your posts I see that Csargo had a point about you posting like him. Still...if your not scum I know Csargo must be.

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 07:44

Yup. Lynch RIedquat

Yeah! Good call! Lynch poor riedquat for not reading/remembering the rules...

LazyMcCrow

01-31-2013, 08:05

unvote: Riedquat, vote: White_Eyes:D

Jarema

01-31-2013, 09:14

Yup. Lynch RIedquat

too eager?
vote: LazyMcCrow

edse

01-31-2013, 09:37

too eager?
vote: LazyMcCrow

He's already dead though.

Vote: Makrell

Makrell

01-31-2013, 09:49

Vote: Johnhoughton

as he replaced XENO suddenly, one more kill.
if he replaced him this day phase it is different though, im sure hell fill us in

Arjos

01-31-2013, 09:52

Vote: TheFlax for now...

You guys are all cowards....come back from an 8 hour shift and nobody votes for anyone???!!:furious:

Can't people sleep at proper hours in here? XD

johnhughthom

01-31-2013, 12:01

Vote: Johnhoughton

as he replaced XENO suddenly, one more kill.
if he replaced him this day phase it is different though, im sure hell fill us in

I only replaced at the end of the night shift, I didn't have a chance to use my non-existant night ability. Andres told me Benny Boy was simple, like I needed teliing.

Vote: Riedquat Read the darn rules!

Jarema

01-31-2013, 12:09

He's already dead though.

:facepalm:
unvote; vote: Makrell

LazyMcCrow

01-31-2013, 12:25

Keen to vote for me rather than point out my lack of bolded text Jarema? Certainly keen enough to vote for me rather than checking on my deadness. How scummy does that make you? I'd say from the timbre of your face-palm that you're probably town, but shall have a closer read-through.

Visor

01-31-2013, 12:46

Highly unlikely that Jarrema is scum. Riedquat also.

TinCow

01-31-2013, 13:46

Yeah! Good call! Lynch poor riedquat for not reading/remembering the rules...

Vote: Riedquat

Arjos

01-31-2013, 14:01

Guys as silly as this may sound, Riedquat not paying attention, is as townie as it gets with him XD

TinCow

01-31-2013, 14:12

Guys as silly as this may sound, Riedquat not paying attention, is as townie as it gets with him XD

He seemed to be pretty aware of the rules the previous voting day:

Umm... ACIN that part about you being a villager and not showing in the write-ups doing vigilante actions sounds too bad. You can't do vigilante actions if you are a townie, the write-ups have nothing to do with it...

I guess he forgot them overnight?

Arjos

01-31-2013, 14:48

Remembering one feature, doesn't equal knowing the whole list :)

And that also shows at least once, in the past, he did read them ^^

Anyway vote as you like, my conscience is clear lol

Visor

01-31-2013, 14:59

TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Csargo
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax

These are your feasible suspects. I'd be going after TinCow and/or Darth Feather myself. TC first.

Voting Riedquat at this stage of the game is just not something a townie player would do.

Riedquat and Jarrema are acting their townie selves, JHT replaced in, can't have done any kills so far most likely innocent. edse duh. Arjos isn't doing his mafia thing, which I have seen in action numerous times.

I just don't like this vibe I'm getting from TC. It's Mabo.

TheFlax - nada
Csargo - nada
WE - another close suspect.

The kill on me is something I suspect TC to have done, fits what he would do. (Cold, logical and HEARTLESS :sad:) as I am a replacement, thus nearly confirmed innocent. Anyway, I suggest TC as a lynch.

White_eyes:D

01-31-2013, 15:13

Can't people sleep at proper hours in here? XD

Real men stay up for at least 12 hours before sleeping.:smug:

Visor

01-31-2013, 15:14

Real men get up at 4 to play mafia... :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

01-31-2013, 15:38

The kill on me is something I suspect TC to have done, fits what he would do. (Cold, logical and HEARTLESS :sad:) as I am a replacement, thus nearly confirmed innocent. Anyway, I suggest TC as a lynch.

That's why I thought we could be dealing with a TinCow-Csargo connection here. It would be an unholy union between cold logic and scum sense supreme. Some of the kills made little sense from a logical viewpoint...but from a scummy sense viewpoint it makes perfect sense.:book:

TinCow has a cruel habit of leaving me as lynch bait and then killing me off....I suspect I will receive the same fate here.:sweatdrop:

White_eyes:D

01-31-2013, 15:56

Yeah you know what?

I really think Csargo and TinCow are scum buddies. Only time TinCow even prods Csargo's suspicious behavior is when I bring it up and even then, it's to accuse me of the same thing.

Unvote:Makrell Vote:Csargo

Makrell

01-31-2013, 16:27

damnit i need to pay closer attention

vote: Csargo

Csargo

01-31-2013, 20:25

damnit i need to pay closer attention

vote: Csargo

Yay

Vote: Makrell

Csargo

01-31-2013, 20:31

I guess he forgot them overnight?

Any townie would know that we can't preform night actions.

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 21:57

He seemed to be pretty aware of the rules the previous voting day:

I guess he forgot them overnight?

You seriously are pulling a vote against me on that basis? This is unbelievable!

If you don't get a role pm how is possible you can think on making any kind of night action? That was my reasoning against ACIN argument.

Now, do you think I'm so stupid to make that first commentary after the write-up if I am scum? Really? :(

TinCow

01-31-2013, 22:13

You seriously are pulling a vote against me on that basis? This is unbelievable!

If you don't get a role pm how is possible you can think on making any kind of night action? That was my reasoning against ACIN argument.

Now, do you think I'm so stupid to make that first commentary after the write-up if I am scum? Really? :(

This is a rather remarkably emotional post. It's almost emotional enough to make me feel bad about voting for you, and that's saying a lot since I have such a tiny, cold, black heart. Why does my vote upset you so much?

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 22:24

That's why I thought we could be dealing with a TinCow-Csargo connection here. It would be an unholy union between cold logic and scum sense supreme. Some of the kills made little sense from a logical viewpoint...but from a scummy sense viewpoint it makes perfect sense.:book:

TinCow has a cruel habit of leaving me as lynch bait and then killing me off....I suspect I will receive the same fate here.:sweatdrop:

Probably Visor got it right, and now you too!

Yeah you know what?

I really think Csargo and TinCow are scum buddies. Only time TinCow even prods Csargo's suspicious behavior is when I bring it up and even then, it's to accuse me of the same thing.

Unvote:Makrell Vote:Csargo

Wait! Wasn't Tincow the priority? :inquisitive:

damnit i need to pay closer attention

vote: Csargo

:inquisitive: You are just following the lead of the dude who just unvoted you because he thinks Tincow is very scummy and obviously.... why not?? is just voting Ichigo...

Now, I'm undecided... I want to omgus vote tincow, but also want to vote WE:D and very tempted to just vote Makrell and make a 3 ways tie...

LazyMcCrow

01-31-2013, 22:28

LazyMcCrow

01-31-2013, 22:28

double post

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 22:35

This is a rather remarkably emotional post. It's almost emotional enough to make me feel bad about voting for you, and that's saying a lot since I have such a tiny, cold, black heart. Why does my vote upset you so much?

~:confused: Remarkably emotional? :/

I'm not upset, I think you can do better that just go voting the dude who don't remember the rules. And again my post to ACIN, wasn't based in any rule, just common sense. And that makes me think, perhaps you are not town after all.

TinCow

01-31-2013, 22:47

I would like input from someone who knows Riedquat's play style. Do his recent posts look normal?

Riedquat

01-31-2013, 22:53

I would like input from someone who knows Riedquat's play style. Do his recent posts look normal?

Yes they do! And no, none of his recent posts look remarkably emotional! If they seem emotional to you, it may just be a bug from google translator :laugh4:

TheFlax

02-01-2013, 01:05

I was a mafia partner of Riedquat in Chemistry mafia which ended quite recently and in my albeit limited experience, he is acting rather differently then in that game.

White_eyes:D

02-01-2013, 06:42

Visor

02-01-2013, 06:56

There are three reasons why I don't want to vote for TinCow.

First, he is my scum partner. Second, he is my scum partner. Third, did I mention he was my scum partner?

I offer you a choice of scum and town, and you take the townie choice? Easy.

White Eyes and TC are most likely scum. Come on now, do something about it town!

Visor

02-01-2013, 06:56

I would like input from someone who knows Riedquat's play style. Do his recent posts look normal?

They look townie.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-01-2013, 07:18

Csargo

02-01-2013, 08:21

Darth Feather

02-01-2013, 10:41

Wow, lot's of things going on during my internet downfall. Seriously now, WhiteEyes:D does look scummy to me. I am not convinced about TC being scum. I do still think TinCow is helping the town (even if he is only getting the discussion going). I don't know Csargo's playstyle so no comment on that but WhiteEyes thinks he is guilty which makes me think he is innocent. I do think there is a SK as well. (Fos: JHT not entirely convinced about you not killing during the night)vote: WhiteEyes:D

TinCow

02-01-2013, 13:45

They look townie.

Thank you. Unvote.

My other main suspects are Csargo and Darth Feather. Voting Csargo has the added benefit of allowing me to OMGUS, which I haven't done in a long time.

Vote: Csargo

Visor

02-01-2013, 14:24

Will you guys PLEASE lynch TinCow? You're letting him get away.

Riedquat

02-01-2013, 14:34

There are three reasons why I don't want to vote for TinCow.

First, he is helping discussion which only hurts him if he is scum and makes him stand out even more. Second, bad stuff always happens to town when I try and lynch TinCow, check Midgard 3 if you don't think so...I don't think I could have tried any harder to get TinCow lynched in that game but town just went SOO wrong. Third, are you just avoiding suspecting Csargo or do you really think he is not capable of being scum? I know he can, it's his playstyle and he is very good at it.:book:

What kind of reasons are them? I only can respect the first, Tincow is fomenting discussion. The second is total crap, so you let the dude :daisy: with you if he is scum but don't lynch him because bad things happens? bad things like him :daisy:'ing you? Csargo is very capable of being scum? Everybody is very capable of being scum, if not why are they playing mafia? :stare:

Thank you. Unvote.

My other main suspects are Csargo and Darth Feather. Voting Csargo has the added benefit of allowing me to OMGUS, which I haven't done in a long time.

Vote: Csargo

And here, WE:D your theory ends... is Tincow or is Csargo, both in same team?

Visor, same happens with Tincow-WE:D team, I don't think WE is capable of pulling a theory involving his partner being scum, that is one thing Atpg can do easily but WE?

I will insist with Makrell, nobody see something strange in his vote for Csargo? Vote: Makrell

Visor

02-01-2013, 14:38

TC-DF scum team I could see.

WE could just be WE which seems to be about right.

Makrell, Riedquat? You're losing my support here. That's something you would do as mafia. :stare:

White_eyes:D

02-01-2013, 15:09

And here, WE:D your theory ends... is Tincow or is Csargo, both in same team?
They are good enough players that it wouldn't surprise me that they would do something like that. I mean I wanted TheFlax to put a topping lynch vote on me in that last game.:laugh4:

I feel horrible because everyone dead is saying "TinCow is scum, lynch him or your scum" kind of stuff but I feel like I should follow your lead Riedquat. If everything goes wrong it is not totally my fault then.:clown:

UnVote:Csargo Vote:Markell

Visor

02-01-2013, 15:10

They are good enough players that it wouldn't surprise me that they would do something like that. I mean I wanted TheFlax to put a topping lynch vote on me in that last game.:laugh4:

I feel horrible because everyone dead is saying "TinCow is scum, lynch him or your scum" kind of stuff but I feel like I should follow your lead Riedquat. If everything goes wrong it is not totally my fault then.:clown:

UnVote:Csargo Vote:Markell
nooooooo white eyes! Vote TinCow or darth. :sad:

Riedquat

02-01-2013, 15:35

TC-DF scum team I could see.

WE could just be WE which seems to be about right.

Makrell, Riedquat? You're losing my support here. That's something you would do as mafia. :stare:

I would do that as mafia? :inquisitive: Interesting point of view, I can't see doing that as mafia... except if Csargo is my partner... but you also consider he is mostly not scum... Ok, I'll try to share the chaos in my mind...

I just find makrell's vote very odd. I'm suspicious of WE, but he also seems to be himself at times, as giving his 3 lame reasons why not vote Tincow. Unfair thing is I'm voting makrell and forgiving WE:D, and this I just realize now... unvote

Tincow himself seems to be deliberately obtuse about some minor things and now I see, the reasons or symptoms Arjos presented back then when I defended presented my reasons to keep him alive. And I keep thinking about the mafia targets so far, it seems they are between the most vocal people among us.

We keep Tincow alive because he foments discussion and because the others who tend to foment discussion are cold dead. A what if keeps coming at my mind, what if Tincow is killing the most vocal people to secure his own permanence in the game.

Vote: Tincow But let be honest, I'm voting Tincow half convinced by the same dead dude who told Tincow, I'm acting as townie and just unvoted me... :dizzy2:

Riedquat

02-01-2013, 15:36

Visor

02-01-2013, 15:40

Now he has to vote for TinCow. :smug:

Just a sidenote - if he is the only one fostering discussion, he's probably mafia. Lynch him already!

TheFlax

02-01-2013, 16:31

Riedquat

02-01-2013, 16:48

TinCow is generally always fostering discussion though. :shrug:

There's been a bunch of unvoting, so here's a tally:

Makrell 4 (edse, Jerema, Csargo, White_eyes:D)
Johnhughthom 1 (Makrell)
TheFlax 1 (Arjos)
Riedquat 1 (Johnhughthom)
Csargo 1 (TinCow)
White_eyes:D 1 (Darth Feather)
TinCow 1 (Riedquat)

Makrell had already 2 votes on him? I may have an attention disorder problem... I just missed those two votes, that is why I was thinking of a tie back then...

Bu...but...but.. Csargo unvoted Makrell and voted Tincow

We can totally lynch Tincow if you want, here I'll even help you out. Unvote: Makrell, Vote: Tincow

And Makrell is voting Csargo not jht... ah... he never unvoted... :dizzy2:

Arjos

02-01-2013, 17:03

FoS: TheFlax for skewing the tally...

Anyway I'm calling Flax, TC and WE as the mafia team, they are the only ones pushing for the "TC is fostering discussion" myth, while the rest are mesmerized...

Arjos

02-01-2013, 17:09

Also Unvote; Vote: TinCow, still that simply leaves it in edse's hands...

Csargo

02-01-2013, 17:32

TheFlax

02-01-2013, 18:59

FoS: TheFlax for skewing the tally...

Anyway I'm calling Flax, TC and WE as the mafia team, they are the only ones pushing for the "TC is fostering discussion" myth, while the rest are mesmerized...

Honestly, I missed one, there was a lot of vote change going on. If you'd rather think I did that on purpose, well that's really your call. As for TC, I'm not saying that it means he's town, just that in my experience this is nothing special.

This proves nothing at this point, but Vote: TinCow

Here's an updated tally, please point out any mistakes or how I skewed it.

TinCow 4 (Riedquat, Csargo, Arjos, TheFlax)
Makrell 3 (edse, Jerema, White_eyes:D)
Johnhughthom 1 (Makrell)
Riedquat 1 (Johnhughthom)
Csargo 1 (TinCow)
White_eyes:D 1 (Darth Feather)

Andres

02-01-2013, 19:52

I'm not sure if I'll make it in time to close the round. In case I don't, consider this round ended after exactly 2 hours 15 minutes from the timestamp of this post. Votes after that deadline won't be counted.

TinCow

02-01-2013, 19:54

Ugh...

I am the special role. I have been investigating every night. There is only one mafioso remaining, and it can only be Riedquat, Csargo, Darth Feather, or johnhughtom, though it's not likely JHT. I recommend either Csargo or Darth Feather.

Night results:

N1:

Chaotix: he is a simple villager.

Nightbringer : He is one of the Parchezzi clones hired to assassinate the Don. You saw how he killed a villager tonight. He is dangerous and in an honest and unarmed fight, you'd probably lose. But he also seems sloppy and less focused than you, so he shouldn't be too much of a problem to handle if you are prepared and have the right equipment to take him out from a distance. You are able to grab a syringe with a lethal dosis while spying on him. He won't miss it.

Elite Ferret: he is a simple villager.

***

You acquired a syringe with a lethal dosis. You can use this instead of your fibre wire to kill a Parchezzi. Alternatively, you can use it to inject food or drinks. Whoever drinks or eats the poisoned substance will die.

Andres.

N2:

Gaius Scribonius Curio: he is a simple villager
Montmorency: he is a simple villager
El Barto: he is a simple villager.

Andres.

N3:

'khaan: he seems like a dangerous man. Always sharp. In good shape. Constantly looking left, right, behind him. He carries two guns and probably has a few knives hidden somewhere on him. ‘khaan is clearly one of the bodyguards. Since he was doing a patrol, you quickly went to his room and found a small pistol and 7 bullets. It's the kind of thing that is usually kept hidden by women, and it's only accurate when used from a close distance, but still, it can come in handy for protection.

Askthepizzaguy: he is a simple villager. He also sometimes brings pizza to random people when he's really high on drugs.

LazyMcCrow: he is a simple villager

***

You found a small gun. It'll come in handy, as an unexpected surprise, when somebody tries to kill you. It becomes harder to kill you.

Andres.

N4:

All three are simple villagers.

Andres.

Scan: Arjos, Ishmael, Jarema

N5:

White_Eyes:D: he is a simple villager.
ACIN: he's another of the Parchezzi clones. He looks very dangerous and if you decide to take him out, it may be wise to do it from a distance or by using original means, like poisoning food. When he goes out to visit the toilet, you sneak into his room. You find several sets of bulletproof vests and you decide it wouldn't hurt to carry one under your clothes.
Visorslash: he is a simple villager.

***

The purpose of the bulletproof vest is obvious: you can wear it unnoticed and it just became harder to kill you at night.

Andres.

N6:

Makrell: he is a simple villager.

TheFlax: he is a simple villager.

autolycus: you follow the silent man. He seems strong. You also notice that he's got plenty of weapons on him, but only one visible: a sawn-off shotgun. Underneath his bulletproof jacket, he has knives, handguns, grenades and who knows what not. This guy means business. He is clearly a bodyguard. While he is patrolling, you sneak into his room where you find [REDACTED]. This may come in handy.

***

[REDACTED]

Andres.

My personal role tally sheet:

Alive (11/29)
Riedquat
Csargo
Darth Feather
johnhughtom – Replaced Xenoneb – likely Villager

Jarema - Villager
Makrell - Villager
Arjos - Villager
White_Eyes:D - Villager
TheFlax - Villager

edse - DON
TinCow

Killed (13)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio - Villager
Montmorency - Villager
LazyMcCrow - Villager
El Barto - Villager
issaikhaan - BODYGUARD
Chaotix - Villager
Askthepizzaguy – Villager (Brings Pizza)
autolycus – BODYGUARD
Visorslash – Villager
BSmith

Lynched (5)
Nightbringer - MAFIA
Elite Ferret - VILLAGER
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael – Villager
a completely inoffensive name – MAFIA

LazyMcCrow

02-01-2013, 20:08

TheFlax

02-01-2013, 20:10

Unvote, Vote: Csargo

LazyMcCrow

02-01-2013, 20:13

although - if that's a fake reveal it's really quite beautiful ;P

johnhughthom

02-01-2013, 20:19

I'll go with that.

Unvote; Vote: Csargo

edse

02-01-2013, 20:55

unvote: vote: Csargo

Arjos

02-01-2013, 21:19

Utter bollocks!

You knew we lynched the mafia twice, had only 3-4 names left of possible candidates and waited until now to say it? Almost at the end of the round?

You are the single worst townie that ever lived or you are the most desperate mafia member ever...
Scanned me on N4 as a villager and on D5, you said you were considering lynching me? Honestly GTFO XD

Riedquat

02-01-2013, 21:20

although - if that's a fake reveal it's really quite beautiful ;P

I must agree with that! :yes:

Unvote, vote: Csargo

TinCow

02-01-2013, 21:33

You are the single worst townie that ever lived

That's a bit cruel. I've been doing my best to find the mafia, and I've been struggling with it during the day because of the fact that there's been so little conversation for most of the time. I've intentionally stoked some fires just to watch how people reacted. It's the same reason I poked at Ishmael a bit on the day after GH's lynch. In any case, I got so aggressive with you because I was concerned you'd get traction on me. My best defense is a good offense. You'll notice I never actually voted for you, and then moved on ACIN once the day finally got moving.

White_eyes:D

02-01-2013, 22:28

Unvote:Markell Vote:Csargo

Andres

02-01-2013, 22:30

Last vote was after the deadline. Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

White_eyes:D

02-01-2013, 22:31

I am late by 30 mins.....TinCow, you should have just revealed right when I was going ape:daisy:

White_eyes:D

02-01-2013, 22:42

You'll notice I never actually voted for you, and then moved on ACIN once the day finally got moving. If what you say is true, then you did a good job. Either way, you did the best pro-town job I have seen in recent memory in not getting lynched for all those rounds you were taking flak.:2thumbsup:

Arjos is just jealous, I wouldn't take it personally.:grin2:

Arjos

02-01-2013, 23:09

No, I really don't like pro roles, going "neutral", with hero complexes, ending up messing the table...

All his shenanigans made us lynch GH, the day that ACIN would've got it, for example...
Had he not been in trouble, he would've stood silent as we wrongly lynched Makrell (allegedly confirmed townie by him)...

Maybe he played as lynch bait, hoping to be skipped by night kills (in which case, he did good, but that makes us suspicious), if that was his super townie mode, as I said is distracting...

And I still want to read the write-up XD

TinCow

02-01-2013, 23:35

All his shenanigans made us lynch GH, the day that ACIN would've got it, for example...

Hey, that was a legitimate attempt on my part to find scum. I had no idea ACIN was mafia at that point and there was :daisy: all in the thread to go on by Day 3. I'm not the type to blindly bandwagon just because 'khaan and ATPG start pointing fingers, so I did my own analysis with what little was available and GH was the person that stood out to me, so I moved on that.

Andres

02-01-2013, 23:41

The Palace - Day 6 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

“He talks too much,” the villagers yelled.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Accusations after accusations had been thrown around. Non-issues had been blown up out of proportion. In the middle of it all, one man stood out, dominating the debates. But suddenly, it turned against him. He found himself with his back against a wall, literally.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Dear villagers, as Cicero once said: ‘O tempora! O mores!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Oh come on, go to law school or something if you want to pull that crap. We’re honest people selling drugs,not lawyers or, worse, judges!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“O tempora O mores indeed!” the man continued, not impressed in the slightest. “How far has it come in this day and age where a noble man as Don E is threatened. What creatures have the death of such a noble man as part of their nefarious plans? I will tell it to you! It are the cats! They all look cute, but they are pure evil. There’s a reason why an honest man like me is allergic to them!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Enough of that already! Cats? Seriously? Let’s kill this idiot!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Ok, ok,” and the man started waving around with a piece of paper. “I have here a list of innocents and suspects. It is true evidence!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
One man suddenly started to laugh and dance around in joy. “Yes! Yes! Yes! It has my name on it! I told you so! I told you so! Somebody who acts as scummy as me has to be guilty! This is going to be so much FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
All eyes turned towards Csargo.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Yes, yes, it has to be me! I’ve been telling you all the time and see, now I’m on that list! Woohoo! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
The villagers grabbed him and dragged him before Don E.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“It’s Csargo, he more or less confessed.”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“So, did you confess?”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Confess? Somebody who acts like me should be lynched! Which should be great fun! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E took a long sip from his whisky and raised an eyebrow.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Oh, you can raise an eyebrow?How cool is that? I can’t raise one eyebrow? No matter how hard I try, I always end up either raising two or making a funny face! You’re also fun! WOOHOO! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E shook his head, pointed his FN Baracuda at Csargo and fired. And he missed.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Woohoo! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Trying to hit a moving target after a bottle of whisky wasn’t going to be an easy task. Don E fired another shot. And another one. And another one. And he missed, missed and missed again while Csargo just kept dancing and jumping, hysterically yelling “FUN FUN FUN”.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Frustrated, Don E threw away his gun and went inside, murmuring “I need something that requires less accuracy.”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
A few moments later, he came back with a rocket launcher.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“WOOOOO! GLORIOUS! A ROCKETLAUNCHER! YOU LAUNCH ROCKETS WITH THAT, RIGHT? FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E grinned, looking forward at the satisfaction of seeing this man finally silenced. He pointed the rocketlauncher in the general direction of Csargo and fired off a rocket.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
When the dust finally settled, he saw Csargo still standing, dancing and jumping and yelling “FUN FUN FUN.” Apparently, he had jumped behind Don E’s armored truck right before impact, which had saved his life.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“WOOHOO! What a fantastic explosion! This is great! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E became purple and started to throw grenades at Csargo. In his anger, he missed the dancing Csargo everytime. After he had thrown 20 grenades he needed to sit down.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Grab him. Encase his feet in concrete.”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“WOOHOO! Concrete! I love concrete! Concrete is FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
A few villagers grabbed the excited Csargo and carried out the order of Don E.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Finally standing still, but still yelling and laughing, Csargo was now an easier target for the Don.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“WOOHOO! I LIKE MY NEW SHOES! THEY ARE GLORIOUS! AN I'M IN CONCRETO! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E sighed, took an AK-47stepped forward and pointed it at Csargo’s head from a distance of 2 feet.Csargo’s head was going up and down while yelling and laughing.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E unloaded an entire magazine, but somehow, Csargo’s constantly moving head managed to avoid all bullets.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
This was too much for Don E who started to cry.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“Hey, don’t cry. We’re having FUN here. FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E took a deep breath,stepped towards his bulldozer and entered it.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“WOOHOO! A bulldozer! FUN FUN FUN!”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Don E drove the bulldozer over Csargo, ending his life with a disgusting splattering sound. When it was finally over, Don E came out of the vehicle.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
“That was fun,” he said, satisfied. "FUN FUN FUN!"<o:p></o:p>

***

Csargo: 5 (TinCow, TheFlax, edse, johnhughthom, Riedquat) :skull:

TinCow: 2 (Arjos, Csargo)
Makrell: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Jarema)
White_Eyes:D: 1 (Darth Feather)
johnhughthom: 1 (Makrell)

***

Alive (10/29)
Riedquat
Jarema
TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
edse
johnhughthom

Killed (13)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG
autolycus
Visorslash
BSmith

Lynched (6)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (3)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4
johnhughthom replaced Xenoneb at the beginning of Day 6

***

It's now night. PM's please. This night phase will be extended, because I'll be out of town and afk for the week-end. It will last until Sunday 21.00 GMT+1, which is +/- 45 from now. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Csargo

02-02-2013, 00:37

Well that's nice FUN FUN FUN!!!!

I'd still be wary of TinCow, he is definitely able to create a legitimate looking fake role.

Askthepizzaguy

02-02-2013, 09:48

I just want to point out that ACIN got what he deserved for the obvious scum behavior. :wink:

THAT IS ALL.

Andres

02-03-2013, 21:38

The Palace - Night 7 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/vollemaan.jpg

It was a warm night. A cool breeze gently touched Don E's face while he was playing the Bach's suite for cello n° 6. Tears were running down his cheeks while he was deeply touched by the music. The images of the dead were dancing in front of his inner eye. All these good people who had died at the hands of murderers. They all had families mourning them.

What was worse, were the images from those he killed himself. Some of them had been innocent. They had died by his own hands. Loyal men. Men who worshipped him. Who trusted him. They were killed by his hands. Sure, he could pretend like he had just been the executioner, carrying out the will of the villagers. But Don Fernando Delgado wasn't a man used to hiding behind cheap excuses. He had been killing his own people, because he valued his own life higher than that of others.

Suddenly, he stopped playing. He picked up his bottle of whisky and threw it out of his window.

No more! No more would he continue this. There had to be a better way to find the murderers. He could interrogate the villagers. Or inject them with all kinds of drugs, and then, when they were high and less careful, ask the right questions. This system of voting and discussion wasn't good. It was madness! What had he been thinking when proposing this voting system as a way to find the scumbags! What an idiot he was! This had to stop here and now.

"Tomorrow, we're going to try something else. I'll do a real investigation, with interrogations and gathering evidence. I will lock up suspects instead of immediately having them killed. True justice will be done! And no more whisky!"

Don E nodded. He had made a wise decision.

Little did he know, a dark shadow had just entered his room and was sneaking up on him. The man was holding a syringe with an overdose of drugs. The very same drugs Don E sold on the streets.

When Don E was about to continue play, the man standing behind him grabbed him and injected the substance in Don E's neck. Don E's body stiffened. Then it started to shake heavily for a few moments. When it suddenly stopped, Don Fernando Delgado had passed away. His attacker picked up the body and threw it out of the balcony, in the river.

***

The Palace - Day 7

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

The villagers started at the body of Don E in disbelief. They felt defeated. Weak. Devestated.

"Now what? What do we do? We need guidance!" Those were the whispers that were heard the most.

Suddenly, one of the villagers stood up.

"Don E was a wise man. A smart man! He invented this brilliant system of majority vote to find the killers. I, for one, am not going to doubt his infinite wisdom. Let's continue what we have been doing all the time! I'm sure we'll succeed in finding Don E's killers!"

And so, the villagers started the proceedings. Again...

***

Alive (9/29)
Riedquat
Jarema
TinCow
Darth Feather
Makrell
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
johnhughthom

Killed (14)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG
autolycus
Visorslash
BSmith
edse (in his capacity of replacement of Cornelius)

Lynched (6)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (3)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4
johnhughthom replaced Xenoneb at the beginning of Day 6

***

It's now day. Day will last for +/- 48 hours.

Arjos

02-03-2013, 23:40

Soooo... TinCow, why did you kill edse? ^^
(You picked up a syringe, didn't you? :P)

Darth Feather

02-03-2013, 23:51

More importantly, who out of Riedquat, JHT and me is scum?

TinCow

02-03-2013, 23:59

Bugger, well that all went south rather suddenly.

Yes, yes, I seem to have made some fibs. I am indeed the special role and I did indeed spend the vast majority of the game investigating. My only objective was to kill the Don, which required that I first eliminate the bodyguards. The mafia handled the first two of them for me (the other one was The King, I omitted that from my results), and I took out autolycus personally on N6. I re-arranged my investigation results to disguise that. My orders on N7 were to kill the Don, but apparently the remaining mafioso is still alive and submitted orders to kill the Don a few minutes before me. So, he got the kill instead of me and I have failed in my mission. My game is pretty much over. If for some reason you do not lynch me today, I shall be taking an escape route in the night which will allow me to survive which I guess is better than straight up losing. Apparently I could attempt to pull of some kind of minor win by killing the entire town and mafia, but not only does that seem utterly impossible since I already revealed myself as having a role, it also doesn't mesh well at all with my original objective, which was to kill the Don and avoid killing any innocents (bodyguards didn't count as innocents). So, I shall not be attempting that for multiple reasons.

The results I posted previously were mostly accurate, though I fiddled with the timing of some of them and reduced my scans to 3 per night from 4 to give me enough legit results to spread out over the last night when I wasn't scanning. Regardless, my comments about who the final mafioso can be were entirely truthful. I do not know who the final mafioso is, but the only people alive who can be the mafioso are Darth Feather, Riedquat, and JHT.

Do as you wish with me, but if you avoid lynching me today you won't have to waste one on me later as I shall be exiting the game.

Visor

02-04-2013, 00:55

Knew it!

Lynch TinCow like I told you to yesterday!

TheFlax

02-04-2013, 01:13

I don't know, I'm torn. While it is a possible scenario, the only part I believe without a doubt is that TinCow will escape after this day phase and I have a feeling we will regret his leaving.

I'll place a very tentative Vote: TinCow here.

Riedquat

02-04-2013, 04:44

More importantly, who out of Riedquat, JHT and me is scum?

You are including yourself in the question? I think you answered it...

My orders on N7 were to kill the Don, but apparently the remaining mafioso is still alive and submitted orders to kill the Don a few minutes before me. So, he got the kill instead of me and I have failed in my mission.

The mafia killed Don E with your syringe? Or you forgot to clarify that part too? I think you are the mafia and I'm afraid your partner is alive and I also think is possible he is in the list of the cleared people you gave us, so yeah, we lynch you now and waste a couple days lynching ourselves, jht, DF and me, while your partner keep killing from the innocent list...

Knew it!

Lynch TinCow like I told you to yesterday!

Sorry Visor, I wanted to believe his story was true.

Vote: Tincow

TinCow

02-04-2013, 04:57

The mafia killed Don E with your syringe? Or you forgot to clarify that part too?

You will notice that I clearly stole a single syringe from the mafia, who had a rather large number of them. In any case, the entire tone of this post is so aggressive that I believe you are the final mafioso. Good attempt to discredit my suspect list with you on it. Odd that you seem to give my list credibility...

You are including yourself in the question? I think you answered it...

And then reverse yourself directly afterwards...

The mafia killed Don E with your syringe? Or you forgot to clarify that part too? I think you are the mafia and I'm afraid your partner is alive and I also think is possible he is in the list of the cleared people you gave us, so yeah, we lynch you now and waste a couple days lynching ourselves, jht, DF and me, while your partner keep killing from the innocent list...

That's possibly the fastest contradiction I've ever seen in a mafia game.

Town, if you decide to lynch me today, I recommend that you lynch Riedquat tomorrow. Good luck. :bow:

Vote: Rieduat

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 05:07

While it did cross my mind that Tincow could be lying - and have the town spend the next few days lynching suspects - surely it will be quite obvious in the write-ups whether he remains or leaves. If he is still here tomorrow - lynch him.

At the end of the day he admitted - when he did not need to - that he aimed to kill the Don.

Of the three suspects: Riedquat seems the most likely. Start with him and move to Tincow if he remains in-game.

Visor

02-04-2013, 05:17

Nononono, kill TinCow. Don't screw this one up again!

Arjos

02-04-2013, 09:03

Vote: TinCow, but I'm sure that some bs-jutsu from him, will make the town lynch someone else: oh the aneurysms I had in this game lol

Jarema

02-04-2013, 09:39

vote: TinCow

Darth Feather

02-04-2013, 09:54

vote: Tincow I think it doesn't need explaination

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 10:09

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 10:10

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 10:17

vote: Tincow I think it doesn't need explaination

I think that it does. We are involved in a game wherein there are three mafiosi and one special role. We have a man who has claimed that he holds said special role, admitting snippets of information beyond what is obvious which only serve to turn the town against him. He has made a claim, that he will soon be absent from the game, that can be easily verified within one round. He has given us investigation results. We approach the end-game...

Like sheep you turn at his admission and waste both your time and a valuable lynch upon him. If his story doesn't hold - lynch him. In the meantime do yourselves a favour and put a vote on somebody whose role has not been made manifest to all...

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 10:19

What's sad is that this is the most reasonable post today besides Tincow's and that means he's probably Mafia pretending to be the only sane townie.

This! - :clown:

Yes, I was cleared - and was murdered.

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 10:24

This! - :clown:

Yes, I was cleared - and was murdered.

True dat. I just kinda haven't been able to keep up but I logged in and read what was happening today and.... I began to weep.

I don't even need to know anything about what's happening to know this move is not good townie maneuvering. Why do we know this but the active alive townies don't. Question for the ages.

Visor

02-04-2013, 10:24

I think that it does. We are involved in a game wherein there are three mafiosi and one special role. We have a man who has claimed that he holds said special role, admitting snippets of information beyond what is obvious which only serve to turn the town against him. He has made a claim, that he will soon be absent from the game, that can be easily verified within one round. He has given us investigation results. We approach the end-game...

Like sheep you turn at his admission and waste both your time and a valuable lynch upon him. If his story doesn't hold - lynch him. In the meantime do yourselves a favour and put a vote on somebody whose role has not been made manifest to all...

What we he had to gain from helping us?

Regardless, I believe he should be lynched, as he is a hostile thirdparty that no longer shares our win condition. And unless andres confirms that he will escape, it is a risk not worth taking leaving him alive IMO.

What we should be doing, is discussing who should be the next lynch. Someone ALIVE should be doing that, not a dead guy, though I will be offering my opinions.

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 10:31

My point and Curio's point (Welcome back, btw... obviously being away hasn't made your brain any less sharp my good man.)

When have you ever seen a mafioso admitting to being third party killer as a way of not being lynched? And suggesting he could win solo if he kills off all the town and mafia but it's pointless. And that he can escape tonight (essentially self-lynching him...self.)

Further. Let's pretend his role is to kill the Don and then escape, denying us all the prize.

Okay. So the only way he wins now is if we decide not to kill him after his freebie admission of being sorta kinda anti town.

That's one hell of a silly plan. It deserves to win just in its sheer audacity. For the lulz, people. For the lulz.

Why not let's all put on the big boy pants and fire a shot into the dark and kill a scumbag and win teh game.

..............Let's go townies, let's go!

Zombie Pizza in a cheerleading outfit (AVERT EYES NOW)

Yeah right. I don't just give away pictures like that. PayPal or Visa.

Also, did you really click this spoiler? Dude. Why.

Visor

02-04-2013, 10:33

My point and Curio's point (Welcome back, btw... obviously being away hasn't made your brain any less sharp my good man.)

When have you ever seen a mafioso admitting to being third party killer as a way of not being lynched? And suggesting he could win solo if he kills off all the town and mafia but it's pointless. And that he can escape tonight (essentially self-lynching him...self.)

Further. Let's pretend his role is to kill the Don and then escape, denying us all the prize.

Okay. So the only way he wins now is if we decide not to kill him after his freebie admission of being sorta kinda anti town.

That's one hell of a silly plan. It deserves to win just in its sheer audacity. For the lulz, people. For the lulz.

Why not let's all put on the big boy pants and fire a shot into the dark and kill a scumbag and win teh game.

..............Let's go townies, let's go!

Zombie Pizza in a cheerleading outfit (AVERT EYES NOW)

Yeah right. I don't just give away pictures like that. PayPal or Visa.
Because it is a last ditch attempt? It is unlikely of course, but alright.

Visor

02-04-2013, 10:34

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 10:37

What we he had to gain from helping us?

Regardless, I believe he should be lynched, as he is a hostile thirdparty that no longer shares our win condition. And unless andres confirms that he will escape, it is a risk not worth taking leaving him alive IMO.

What we should be doing, is discussing who should be the next lynch. Someone ALIVE should be doing that, not a dead guy, though I will be offering my opinions.

Don't get me wrong - I appreciate all of that. But the fact remains that as a 'hostile third-party' he is less of threat than the remaining mafioso. More importantly, we wouldn't even know he was 'hostile' unless he himself had revealed his win condition.

What does he have to gain by helping? Nothing. What does he have to lose? His survival.

Pretty compelling reasons not to lynch him I feel.

@ATPG: Thanks for the compliment. :bow:
(Then again, with my track record - he probably is mafia :clown:)

Visor

02-04-2013, 10:39

Don't get me wrong - I appreciate all of that. But the fact remains that as a 'hostile third-party' he is less of threat than the remaining mafioso. More importantly, we wouldn't even know he was 'hostile' unless he himself had revealed his win condition.

What does he have to gain by helping? Nothing. What does he have to lose? His survival.

Pretty compelling reasons not to lynch him I feel.

Orgmind - third party or neutral = worse then mafia.

Still Gaius, do you think Darth is worth lynching? Out of the three, with JHT's poor vote on Riedquat (which is possibly lynchable, though doubtful), Riedquat's Riedquat ness, darth is the only normal read mafia one left.)

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 10:44

This is Riedquat as town.

I would go after Darth, not Riedquat.

This is why Zombie Pizza likes to gnaw on Visorslash. Tasty brains.

I would suggest that Tincow might not have his heart really in making a serious attempt to hit scum. Really doesn't need to, just needs a tempting not-Tincow target.

I recommend letting TC go and also probably ignoring where his finger is pointed at. I agree with Visor, that case is not compelling at all.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 10:45

Only knowing JHT with any certainty (and due to circumstance he is unlikely) - I cannot really comment: either would be a good lynch (IMO).

If others think Riedquat is acting as a townie, I'd be happy with Darth on the chopping block.

Visor

02-04-2013, 10:48

This is why Zombie Pizza likes to gnaw on Visorslash. Tasty brains.

I would suggest that Tincow might not have his heart really in making a serious attempt to hit scum. Really doesn't need to, just needs a tempting not-Tincow target.

I recommend letting TC go and also probably ignoring where his finger is pointed at. I agree with Visor, that case is not compelling at all.

It is because it is an easy lynch, and riedquat is saner when he is mafia. :tongue: TinCow will do what he can to survive anyway.

Only knowing JHT with any certainty (and due to circumstance he is unlikely) - I cannot really comment: either would be a good lynch (IMO).

If others think Riedquat is acting as a townie, I'd be happy with Darth on the chopping block.
Fair enough, thanks.

Arjos

02-04-2013, 11:18

Alive players need to discuss who to lynch next? rofl DF (the only people advocating to lynch Riedquat are gone or soon to be) is a dead man walking, end of the story. At least that's whom I'm going to vote....
All of that is also standing on the off chance, that shyster of TC said anything with a greater percentage of truth in it...

I also vote to gag the dead ghost of Pizza ^^

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 11:22

I also vote to gag the dead ghost of Pizza ^^

Please. I already gagged when I saw the Tincow failwagon.

Also, how did my ghost die? That's worse than death. That's double death. And I always risk too much and get the question wrong. Then Trebek laughs at me.

Arjos

02-04-2013, 11:35

Apparently twice wasn't enough, third time is a charm? :D

All your resoning is "he was so brazen he deserves to half-win", while Curio's is "well if he doesn't disappear tonight, lynch him tomorrow"...

First one I won't even bother addressing it XD

The second has two possibilites:

- He disappears and today we lynch somebody else, the mafioso (if we really have only one alive) kills and we have 3 bodies: guess who benefits the most here?

- He doesn't disappear and likely kills someone, along with the mafia (if he isn't one :P): again, way more bodies around and protracting this overdue lynch...

Sure, we could be lucky and get the last (if) mafia, but atm it's not a given...
Although DF is, imo, a lock...

Bottomline, TC dead keeps more player around, for the next phase...
If all TC did was buying enough phases for his still alive partners (somewhere in his "cleared" list), this is pretty much over...

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 11:48

Tincow dead, if he is telling the truth, produces more bodies in the medium-term.

The fact remains that he is more likely to be telling the truth than lying...

Hey, its your funeral..

Arjos

02-04-2013, 11:55

Tincow dead, if he is telling the truth, produces more bodies in the medium-term

1 today and 1 tonight...

1 today, maybe 1 disappears and 1 dies (if the lynch isn't good)...

1 today, 1 or 2 die tonight...

Yup, the first scenario has definitely more dead people XD

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 11:59

Pretty sure that it states in the rules that the mafia get two kills per night no matter what the numbers are. If Tincow is lying and kills, there will be three bodies.

Arjos

02-04-2013, 12:02

And why there was only one tonight then? (according to TC, both him and the mafia targeted the same)
If you believe him, lynch him and avoid that second night kill again...

Still add a plus 1 above and the story doesn't change...

White_eyes:D

02-04-2013, 12:11

This rings warning bells in my head...
The townies are the innocent people and they have to lynch the mafiosi during the day. The mafiosi will kill two townies each night (in this game, the mafia has two kills each night, regardless of with how many they are. This means that if one mafioso is lynched, the mafia will still have the ability to kill two players each night). When all mafiosi are lynched, the townies win. When all townies are dead, they lose and the mafia will have won.

Why would the scum hold back? Did they really think we would buy them all being lynched if they took the night off?:laugh4:

Either they are dead and TinCow is lying about killing Don E or The scum are just not that active/quick to check the rules. :book:

It's a victory for town in any case.:grin2:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 12:11

I seem to remember that they had to focus in order to kill the Don, thus not killing again.

Look - if Tincow is Mafia there is nothing to lose in checking his story.

If he is telling the truth it is best to check his story and lynch a suspect.

Only if he is lying but is not Mafia is there any problem. This is the least likely scenario of the three since Tincow gains little by lying if he is not Mafia.

Visor

02-04-2013, 12:12

You either lynch TinCow or Darth. Darth has pretty much already given himself away.

White_eyes:D

02-04-2013, 12:20

I seem to remember that they had to focus in order to kill the Don, thus not killing again. Where does it say this? I only saw the one where it said they had to kill all the bodyguards before killing Don E.

Gaius Scribonius Curio: he is a simple villager
Your not a bodyguard...how do you know that they could only focus on Don E and skip killing anyone else for that night?:inquisitive:

Arjos

02-04-2013, 12:23

As I said, gag the ghosts and carry on with these two lynches nice and easy XD

Visor

02-04-2013, 12:26

Just cause you didn't follow me last phase, doesn't mean that you can shut me up Arjos. :no:

Arjos

02-04-2013, 12:35

Just cause you didn't follow me last phase, doesn't mean that you can shut me up Arjos. :no:

I've been the only one voting TC these past phases lol

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-04-2013, 12:40

Where does it say this? I only saw the one where it said they had to kill all the bodyguards before killing Don E.

Your not a bodyguard...how do you know that they could only focus on Don E and skip killing anyone else for that night?:inquisitive:

I don't, I said that I seem to remember that - I've had a rough couple of days, I didn't actually check the opening post. My apologies if I was wrong. :bow:

White_eyes:D

02-04-2013, 12:53

After looking over everything I think TinCow is the only scum left. Because the game won't end until he escapes or is lynched. I think he was really counting on Csargo not being scum, so this way he could kill Don E and blame the scum for it and escape tonight. It makes no sense why the scum would just stop killing unless they are dead.

Vote:TinCow

Makrell

02-04-2013, 13:19

vote:tincow

Riedquat

02-04-2013, 14:28

I have a lot to read, but had to say Visor has it right, this is me as town, Riedquat's riedquatness :laugh4:

Btw, my co-worker here at the office, Fernando Delgado also wants Tincow dead :laugh4:

LazyMcCrow

02-04-2013, 14:50

my co-worker here at the office, Fernando Delgado also wants Tincow dead :laugh4:

Now there's a sig. :)

Riedquat

02-04-2013, 15:01

What happened to this town?

I really don't care about losing to Tincow if that's all lies. It's magnificent and more brazen than anything I've ever attempted.

Seriously, if you lynch Tincow today then you're all a bunch of wimpazoids. Kill the actual scumbags.

Ok, your opinion. Mine we should lynch him, wimpazoid or not.

This is Riedquat as town.

I would go after Darth, not Riedquat.

It is because it is an easy lynch, and riedquat is saner when he is mafia. :tongue: TinCow will do what he can to survive anyway.

When I'm mafia I won't speak my obscure and scummy mind so easily, take that for sure! But regardless of who is lynched next phase I'm terrified with the thought of the game continuing...

Visor

02-04-2013, 15:03

Ok, your opinion. Mine we should lynch him, wimpazoid or not.

When I'm mafia I won't speak my obscure and scummy mind so easily, take that for sure! But regardless of who is lynched next phase I'm terrified with the thought of the game continuing...

It probably will continue, and in that case lynch Darth game over.

TinCow

02-04-2013, 15:13

As it is clear I will be lynched, I will take this opportunity to do a full game commentary on this game from my point of view, complete with all of my actual actions and information. You may ask why I am doing this, and my motives are three-fold. First, my role is very clearly not mafia-allied. I was strongly encouraged to avoid killing innocents and was warned of penalties should I do so. As such, it seems more consistent with my role to aid the town rather than the mafia when that choice is thrust upon me. Second, I'm pissed at the mafia. I was certain I'd be reading about my victory in last night's write-up and instead found myself having already lost the game. So, this is me thumbing my nose at the last survivor. Third, I believe this may be the first time a scum has ever given a full game commentary and review while still alive. That amuses me enough to do it.

First, my role. I am specifically forbidden from posting any section of my role PM or even "alluding" to my role. As such I cannot do anything of the sort. I can tell you about my objective and abilities though. As I said, my objective was only to kill the Don, accomplishing it however I could. I was allowed to kill the mafia or leave them alive, whatever I thought best. At the start of the game, I was able to do one of three actions at night. (1) Scan four people, getting completely accurate results on each; (2) kill one person with fibre wire, with a risk of failure or death if that person was a mafioso; and (3) drug one person, which would leave them alive but prevent them from making any night actions for five nights. Drugging would also disable a bodyguard's protection on the Don, allowing me to kill the Don with the bodyguard still alive. I decided immediately to completely avoid the mafia. There seemed to be little benefit for night kills on them when I risked failure or death. In any case, I had to get with scanning to do anything anyway, so that's where I started. Here are my actual Night results in the correct order. In a few spots Andres' responses referred to my role name, so I have redacted those sections to comply with the rules I was given.

N1: I let random.org pick my investigations.

[LARGE SECTION ABOUT ROLE REDACTED]

Random.org tells me to scan:

Chaotix
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
Askthepizzaguy

Chaotix: he is a simple villager.

Nightbringer : He is one of the Parchezzi clones hired to assassinate the Don. You saw how he killed a villager tonight. He is dangerous and in an honest and unarmed fight, you'd probably lose. But he also seems sloppy and less focused than you, so he shouldn't be too much of a problem to handle if you are prepared and have the right equipment to take him out from a distance. You are able to grab a syringe with a lethal dosis while spying on him. He won't miss it.

Elite Ferret: he is a simple villager.

Askthepizzaguy: he is a simple villager. He also sometimes brings pizza to random people when he's really high on drugs.

***

You acquired a syringe with a lethal dosis. You can use this instead of your fibre wire to kill a target of your choice. Alternatively, you can use it to inject food or drinks. Whoever drinks or eats the poisoned substance will die.

Andres.

Night 1 was interesting for two reasons. First, I found a mafioso right from the start. Second, I got an item. I had no idea the game even had items, so that was a surprise to me. As it turned out, I would get an item every time I scanned a mafioso or a bodyguard. The items from mafioso aided me in killing, while the items from the bodyguards aided my survival. Day 1 Nightbringer got lynched, which I found to be both amusing and sad.

N2: I scanned the people who lynched Nightbringer, because they clearly weren't scum and thus their odds were higher of being bodyguards and I needed to find the bodyguards more than I needed to find the mafia.

Montmorency: he is a simple villager
LazyMcCrow: he is a simple villager
The King: The King seems different. A strong man. You tried to sneak up on him, but he somehow felt your presence. You figure it should be possible to kill him, but it's good you scanned him first. With more attention, you can get him. He carries two guns and probably has a few knives hidden somewhere on him. The King is clearly one of the bodyguards. Since he was doing a patrol, you quickly went to his room and found a small pistol and 7 bullets. It's the kind of thing that is usually kept hidden by women, and it's only accurate when used from a close distance, but still, it can come in handy for protection. Nobody would expect [REDACTED] to carry a womens' gun hidden in his pants.

El Barto: he is a simple villager.

***

You found a small gun. You can't use it for a murder attempt, since it's too noisy and not very accurate from a distance anyway, might was well use your fibre wire then. But it'll come in handy, as an unexpected surprise, when somebody tries to kill you. It becomes harder to kill [REDACTED].

Andres.

Poor Nightbringer, what bad luck to go down on Day 1. Well, those that voted for him clearly aren't mafia, which means they're all better choices for possible bodyguards. So, let's take a look at them.

Scan: Monty, LazyMcCrow, The King, El Barto

The King dies the same night I scan him, so I count myself lucky and cross off one person I have to deal with later.
Day 2 was forgettable and I can't remember anything about it worth commenting on.

N3: I scanned specific targets, finding it irresistible to not know what was up with some of my favorite players.

Let's take a look at a specific few this time:

Scan: GH, 'khaan, ACIN, Jarema

GH: he is a simple villager

'khaan: he seems like a dangerous man. Always sharp. In good shape. Constantly looking left, right, behind him. A very hard target, but not for the best hitman in the world. He is clearly one of the bodyguards. You follow him to his room, wait a bit and when he goes out again, you sneak into his room. You find several sets of bulletproof vests and you decide it wouldn't hurt to carry one under your clothes.

ACIN: he's another of the Parchezzi clones. He looks very dangerous and if you decide to take him out, it may be wise to do it from a distance or by using original means, like poisoning food. When he goes out to visit the toilet, you sneak into his room. Much to your surprise, he has an anoymous looking briefcase with a sniper rifle in it. The rifle even has a silencer. This may come in handy!

Jarema: he is a simple villager.

***

The purpose of the bulletproof vest is obvious: you can wear it unnoticed and it just became harder to kill you at night.

You also found a sniper rifle, which you can use instead of your trusted fibre wire or the lethal syringe you found previously to kill a target during the night.

Andres.

Bingo! Big night there. A bodyguard and a mafioso, plus more useful items. I started getting ideas about the sniper rifle immediately, but more on that later.

Day 3 was a big one for me, because of ACIN. At this point in the game I had seen the mafia active for 3 nights in a row, and they had killed 2 each night. Since the sign-ups were below what Andres' goal was, I therefore concluded that there were only two mafioso. This was a belief I would hold up until N6 and it totally screwed me up. However, I operated under that assumption for a while. As a result, when ACIN started to look like a serious lynch candidate I got very concerned. I thought that if he went down the mafia were done and I would be playing solo with no more mafia kills to hide in and eliminate targets. So, I engineered the GH lynch specifically to save ACIN. It worked, and I was very pleased with myself though it turns out this was an error.

N4: My vote choice is explained in full in my orders:

All four are simple villagers.

Andres.

Whee! Another night free to scan. Let's take a look at the unknowns who followed me against GH, and the unknown for voted for ACIN.

Scan: BSmith, Arjos, Ishmael, TheFlax

I'm going to mentally discount Riedquat and Csargo from my suspect list. Both voted for 'khaan at various points, which I doubt that fellow bodyguards would do. So, they're probably not bodyguards and not worth my time. With those two excluded, after this round of scanning is done there should be only 6 people whose IDs I don't know, not including three dead guys.

Nothing of use there for me, but that's why Riedquat and Csargo never got investigated by me. I concluded they weren't likely bodyguards and bodyguards were the only people I cared about finding.

Day 4 was just me coasting and trying to hide amongst the masses.

N5: I submitted orders before the tie was even decided, because it was irrelevant to me:

It doesn't really matter to me whether Ishmael or BSmith die, so I'll go ahead and submit orders now regardless of the result, if that's okay.

Scan: Makrell, White_Eyes:D, autolycus, Visorslash

Makrell: he is a simple villager.
White_Eyes:D: he is a simple villager.
autolycus: you follow the silent man. He seems strong. You also notice that he's got plenty of weapons on him, but only one visible: a sawn-off shotgun. Underneath his bulletproof jacket, he has knives, handguns, grenades and who knows what not. This guy means business. He is clearly a bodyguard. While he is patrolling, you sneak into his room where you find a small healthkit. This may come in handy.
Visorslash: he is a simple villager

***

The health kit enables you to survive one nightly attack.

Andres.

Woo! I found the last bodyguard. 'khaan had been disposed of by the mafia at some point I can't be bothered to check now, so autolycus was the only person standing between me and the mafia. As such, I started to scheme.

Day 5 was another biggie for me. Since I'd IDed the last bodyguard, I decided that it was time to start moving towards my endgame. At this point, the mafia became more of a liability to me than a benefit, because there was always a chance they would try and kill me at night. Even though I could now survive the attempt, I was concerned that the write-up would show my survival and thus publicly out me as the special role. I believed it was obvious that the special role was not pro-town, so that was a big no-no in my book. In addition, going after an actual mafioso is always a good way to gain townie cred. As such, I sparred with Arjos for a bit just to avoid going right for the kill, then turned on ACIN when I found an opening. The result was exactly what I wanted, and he got lynched. At that point, I believed I was the only scum left alive.

N6: I decide to kill autolycus. I went for a kill instead of drugging him because I thought the mafia were all dead. I thought the town would conclude that the mafia had been eliminated if the kills dropped to 0, and I didn't want them thinking that. I figured a single kill instead of two would confuse the town, but that they'd think the mafia were still alive. So, I went with that instead of drugging. Killing didn't matter to me anyway because bodyguards didn't count as an innocent for my role and thus I could kill him with no penalty. I chose to use the sniper rifle for a very specific reason:

Kill: autolycus

I'm not sure if I get any input on the kill write-up, but if I do I'd like to request using my sniper rifle for the kill, because I'd like the write-up to pay homage to a classic kill (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?72918-New-Mafia-Game-Rise-of-the-Mob-Concluded&p=1332487&viewfull=1#post1332487). Basically, I'd like the same write-up, but for it to end with the laser dot being from a real sniper rifle, but the person tosses the vest away because they suspect it's covered in explosives and think they're being smart. Possible example:

autolycus was walking his dog down the street, enjoying all the new Christmas lights that had been put up. He was too engulfed with the Christmas lights to notice the red dot on his chest. Luckily there was someone there to point it out too him.

He heard someone screaming "autolycus Watch Out! There is a red dot on your chest! Its a Sniper!!!"

The man threw autolycus what appeared to be a bulletproof vest and autolycus put it on without much thought. Suddenly he remembered a story he had once been told. The vest was sure to be covered with C-4 explosives! It was a trap!

Before it was too late autolycus took off the vest and threw it on the ground. He ran down the street away from the vest feeling very pleased with his decision when a sniper's bullet pierced his heart killing him instantly.

A bulletproof vest was found at the scene of the crime...

Feel free to completely ignore this suggestion or to use it and modify it in any way you want.

Day 6 was a big surprise for me. The first thing I noticed was that Andres has put in a large section about dog-walkers all over my kill of autolycus. That was Andres taking a dig at me for talking about the fact that I hired a dog walker in this thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142849-Woohoo%21-No-more-cleaning%21). I freaked out, thinking that someone would remember that and thus connect the kill to me, so I complained about it to Andres. Andres edited out an entire paragraph of the write-up t compensate, before we both realized that the majority of the conversation I was remembering was done via PM, not in the thread. We both concluded that I was being paranoid. The second thing I noticed was that there was very clearly a third mafioso left alive, since the double kills continued. I wasn't greatly concerned by it because I knew the Don was now unprotected, I thought the mafia didn't know that, and the fact that there was an actual mafioso left alive made it easier for me to hide because I could do legit scum-hunting to act townie, as aided by my investigation results. Hence my pursuit of Riedquat that day. Unfortunately, the smattering of votes I'd been getting throughout the game finally started sticking. It became clear I was going to be lynched, but I figured I only needed to survive the day and then I had won the game, so I prepared a reveal that would cover up my N6 kill by changing my scan results to 3 per night and re-arranging them to fit my in-game actions. For example, I showed that I IDed ACIN later than I actually did so that it wouldn't be clear that I had saved him with the GH vote. I also removed The King from the list to hide his identity from the mafia. Other re-arrangings were done to make it fit better with my in-thread posts and votes. I actively added GSC to the list when I never scanned him at all, though I knew that result was accurate since I had already IDed everyone except a single mafioso, which meant I knew that all the un-IDed deaders were townies as well. The one mistake I made was that I didn't move Arjos' result late enough in the list, making my attacks on him questionable. Arjos totally nailed me on that during the day, which had me pounding my head against my desk at my own error.

When I revealed, I expected that in N7 I would kill the Don and the game would be over, at least for me. So, I gave absolutely no thought whatsoever to surviving this day phase and did not adapt my reveal to give me any way to explain myself today. This was a massive error, and it cost me the game. I was so puffed up at the thought that I had won that it never occurred to me that I still had competition left. I believe now that I am personally responsible for my own loss, because I IDed autolycus as the last bodyguard to the mafia. They weren't investigating, so they had no clue who they were killing, thus they couldn't have known that autolycus was a bodyguard. However, they probably knew who they killed from night results like I got. That meant that they knew that they had already killed two bodyguards. Thus, when I stated that the autolycus was a bodyguard, the mafia knew all bodyguards were dead. As a result, the final mafioso submitted orders to kill the Don. It never crossed my mind for a moment that this could happen, nor that even if it did the timing of order PMs would be determinative.

N7 Orders: I believed these were the orders that sealed my victory, I did not expect to even be in the game for this day phase, let alone to have failed at killing the Don:

Kill: edse :evil:

I also wish to contact [REDACTED] and inform them that the job is completed and that I require an escape route.

You entered the room of Don Fernando Delgado only to see the competition throw his body over the balcony, into the river...

You were too late...

***

You receive a message from [REDACTED]:

[REDACTED],

Your escape route has been arranged. A boat will arrive the next night. It'll keep waiting for you in the vicinity of the Palace ship. Whenever you're ready, you can jump on it. Obviously, you can't take the boat in broad daylight, you can only jump on it during night time.

See you soon,

[REDACTED].

***

The Parchezzi were faster than you in sending in their night orders.

If you take the boat now, [REDACTED], but also others, will learn what happened and it will become common knowledge that somebody else works faster than [REDACTED]. This won't be good for business and you'll lose your hard earned reputation of [REDACTED]. Your market value will drop drastically.

You can avoid this by staying in the village and by wiping out all remaining villagers and the Parchezzi's, which will allow you to wipe out all possible traces.

***

OOC:

Sorry TC, the other team was a few minutes faster with sending in their orders.

if you leave the game now (well, not right now, next night at the soonest), you won't win. You'll survive, but that'll be it.

The only possiblity to still win this game for you, is by having the entire town and remaining Parchezzi killed, thus becoming the only survivor.

This PM crushed me. Because of the nature of my reveal in the previous day, it was utterly impossible for me to kill the entire town and the remaining mafioso. While I like to play to win, this one I immediately saw was impossible and I put no effort into trying to figure it out at all. I lost due to my own foolish assumptions and my own hubris, and I decided to take the loss like a man instead of making a farcical attempt to explain away the impossible.

And so, here we are. My investigation results remain legit. The last mafioso is one of Riedquat, Darth Feather, and JHT. I've posted all of this to try and convince the town to believe my results and not discard them, because at least if the town wins then I can blow a raspberry at the mafia for having beaten me by getting their orders in slightly faster. That'll give me some satisfaction. Since you are clearly going to lynch me today, you are still going to see the mafia killing tonight. They will probably drop their kills to 1 because, by my calculations, they have to survive 3 more lynches (including today) even if they kill 2 each night. So, might as well drop 1 tonight to confuse you, and then resume 2 afterwards. In any case, all the kills will come from people I have down as innocent because the mafia knows my list is legit and knows that you will eventually believe me. Since you are lynching me today instead of one of the three suspects, it is now impossible for you to lynch all of the suspects. You will only get two more lynches after this one, with three possible suspects. Choose wisely, and good luck.

Visor

02-04-2013, 15:22

I never thought I'd be glad for the mafia to kill a townie. :laugh4: (Because now town can win)

You played a great game TinCow, shame about the loss. (Though I'm still smarting at how the townies let you survive with the reveal and your (to me) scummitude).

Riedquat

02-04-2013, 15:23

You will notice that I clearly stole a single syringe from the mafia, who had a rather large number of them. In any case, the entire tone of this post is so aggressive that I believe you are the final mafioso. Good attempt to discredit my suspect list with you on it. Odd that you seem to give my list credibility...

Couple of things, you yourself are the best discrediting yourself! You wanted to kill poor Fernando, you attempted to do it, you lied to us and still attempt to judge our mood, do you think I'm being aggressive? Again, you admittedly attempted to kill our benefactor! I want to eat your heart while you are still alive... dude that is just mildly aggressive in my standards, you just need to listen to me dealing with the phone company... that is aggressive!

Town, if you decide to lynch me today, I recommend that you lynch Riedquat tomorrow. Good luck. :bow:

Vote: Rieduat

RiedQuat, with the Q of Quijote! If game continues eventually it will happen anyway, have a nice requiem!

:bow:

LazyMcCrow

02-04-2013, 15:24

You sir - are an awesome townie - even when you are an SK

Makrell

02-04-2013, 15:27

unvote
Vote: Riedquat

Visor

02-04-2013, 15:34

unvote
Vote: Riedquat

You misspelt Darth Feather.

@ TinCow

The thought is still in my mind that you simply fabricated that last Pm. :tongue:

Riedquat

02-04-2013, 15:40

And so, here we are. My investigation results remain legit. The last mafioso is one of Riedquat, Darth Feather, and JHT. I've posted all of this to try and convince the town to believe my results and not discard them, because at least if the town wins then I can blow a raspberry at the mafia for having beaten me by getting their orders in slightly faster. That'll give me some satisfaction. Since you are clearly going to lynch me today, you are still going to see the mafia killing tonight. They will probably drop their kills to 1 because, by my calculations, they have to survive 3 more lynches (including today) even if they kill 2 each night. So, might as well drop 1 tonight to confuse you, and then resume 2 afterwards. In any case, all the kills will come from people I have down as innocent because the mafia knows my list is legit and knows that you will eventually believe me. Since you are lynching me today instead of one of the three suspects, it is now impossible for you to lynch all of the suspects. You will only get two more lynches after this one, with three possible suspects. Choose wisely, and good luck.

Ugh.. ok, first let me tone down a bit my previous declaration, will accompany your heart with crude onions and a bit of garlic!
About the innocent list, I just shared a bit of my townie paranoia, nothing more and nothing less, aiming to lynch somebody from the innocent list at this point is in-practical, the doubt about me, DF and jht will remain.

And you must agree with me here, whoever producing so amazing wall of text should be lynching without any kind of contemplations.

:bow:

Arjos

02-04-2013, 15:51

I'm glad my hunting senses were right, I felt something wrong with your posts since that "let's get on with the real thing now"...
Honestly on D5, if ACIN wasn't up for the lynch (after his usual "too busy nonsense"), I wouldn't have unvoted you XD

And I second Visor's comment about everybody else letting you live: you sir, must be one hell of a lawyer ^^

Csargo

02-04-2013, 17:15

Lynch Darth Feather plz

Makrell

02-04-2013, 19:30

You misspelt Darth Feather.

@ TinCow

The thought is still in my mind that you simply fabricated that last Pm. :tongue:
ryUnvote
Vote:darth feather

Darth Feather

02-04-2013, 19:34

Nah, just kill Tincow. He admitted of being a serial killer. If we do not win the game when he is dead, you can lynch me and hand the mafia (probably) a victory.

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2013, 22:43

Lynch the feathery one!

White_eyes:D

02-05-2013, 03:07

Lynch the feathery one!
His turn will come...we have plenty of lynchs for the both of them.:skull:

There are two things that no matter how I look at them, make TinCow look like the only remaining scum. First, he revealed who Don E was publicly. He could have only IDed the bodyguards and that would have been enough. For someone who seemed so intent on killing Don E before the other scum, he sure fumbled his plans at actual keeping that prize for himself. It only leads me to think TinCow killed Don E but now has to kill town as well and even he thinks it is impossible at this point and is only buying time before he is lynched.:book:

Second, why would the mafia not take that second kill after Don E? We have a nice list of confirmed innocents to kill there and they just thought to take the night off to let TinCow be lynched? The writing was already on the wall for that...and you even stated the mafia would drop to 1 kill after tonight, which would only mean they are giving another lynch to town. Now that is crazy....:crazy:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-05-2013, 04:14

Two things - (1) Don E was a publicly known role (Cornelius, then Edse I think). The whole point was that everyone knew who he was - Tincow didn't reveal his identity.

(2) Mafiosi don't need a list of innocents to kill - they just need to kill everyone who isn't themselves. Who knows, they may drop to a single kill - hell I considered doing it in a previous game (one's GH's classic games) just to confuse people. Tincow is mathematically correct - whether they kill one or two they will need to survive the same number of lynches...

Killing Tincow first is clearly not in the best interests of the town...

White_eyes:D

02-05-2013, 05:18

Since you are clearly going to lynch me today, you are still going to see the mafia killing tonight. They will probably drop their kills to 1 because, by my calculations, they have to survive 3 more lynches (including today) even if they kill 2 each night. So, might as well drop 1 tonight to confuse you, and then resume 2 afterwards. TinCow seems to think they well...and with that they give us one more lynch because of not killing someone after edse. If they don't start clearing that list ASAP the chances of getting lynched increase. I still don't buy someone doing that...I once did early-game and I felt it in the end-game. Confusion and WIFOM would not cut it at this point and I still see no reason they would hold back from killing people on that list. If they also skip tonight, that's one lynch that they added.:whip:

As for the Don E thing, I screwed up writing that. What I meant was TinCow could have said "someone else is Don E" even me. It would have killed me and keep the prize for himself but he didn't because there is no mafia left, only him...he couldn't lie like that when he would be proven wrong.

Edit: Andres had a fake role like that before in "Swords in the moon" where one person was publicly known but was just a meatshield, I really doubt it didn't cross TinCow's mind.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-05-2013, 05:49

I see... I don't agree, but I see what you mean.

To my eyes that would be a tough sell and very convoluted.

If Tincow had claimed that someone else was the Don - how would that make him less likely to be lynched? Even if Andres had revived this mechanic, by revealing/claiming this he would have to explain how revealing helps the town/doesn't aid the mafia.

It seems that common sense - that Tincow had nothing to gain with his revelations, will keep for one round if he doesn't disappear and is highly unlikely to be anything other than a secret role who has failed in his mission - is undesirable. Increasingly complex and unlikely 'what-if' scenarios seem to be the order of the day.

Look - I'm not saying that Tincow doesn't have the capacity to deceive, or isn't deserving of a lynch, I'm saying that lynching Darth Feather or Riedquat is a more productive outcome this round.

El Barto

02-05-2013, 06:35

Lynch the feathery one!
Will you repeat this phrase if we ever manage to tar and feather you? :clown:

White_eyes:D

02-05-2013, 13:20

To my eyes that would be a tough sell and very convoluted.
It was rather simple since he already lied about wanting to kill people, what was one more about who was Don E?:book:

TinCow

02-05-2013, 13:43

Why the hell would I attempt to convince anyone that Don E was someone other than edse? It's in the freakin' rules! The E in Don E stands for edse. I get by as scum by making minor changes to the truth, such that it is very difficult to spot the lies in my information. That is not only not a minor change, it's a stupid change.

Riedquat

02-05-2013, 14:08

Look - I'm not saying that Tincow doesn't have the capacity to deceive, or isn't deserving of a lynch, I'm saying that lynching Darth Feather or Riedquat is a more productive outcome this round.

Yeah, but with that lynch you have a 50% probability of failure and yet you leave a silvertongued scum out of the hook.

Why the hell would I attempt to convince anyone that Don E was someone other than edse? It's in the freakin' rules! The E in Don E stands for edse. I get by as scum by making minor changes to the truth, such that it is very difficult to spot the lies in my information. That is not only not a minor change, it's a stupid change.

I don't get it either, neither the first nor the last explanation... :dizzy2:

White_eyes:D

02-05-2013, 17:21

That is not only not a minor change, it's a stupid change.

And yet I know I would have fallen for it. I guess you could call me simple in that way but if the scum passed up one kill, I doubt they were the brightest either. You blame your hubris on your loss but I blame your not thinking outside the box enough.:smoking:

johnhughthom

02-05-2013, 17:32

Vote: Riedquat

Askthepizzaguy

02-05-2013, 18:03

This round is still going on?

And it's still a cluster of nonsense too. My dead eyes are bleeding.

Riedquat

02-05-2013, 18:33

This round is still going on?

And it's still a cluster of nonsense too. My dead eyes are bleeding.

Vote: Riedquat

See? You made Atpg's eyes bleed... :no:

johnhughthom

02-05-2013, 21:14

Better than making his robot teeth bleed.

Andres

02-05-2013, 21:57

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

Andres

02-05-2013, 22:26

The Palace - Day 7 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

"Contrary to Don E, I'm a man with style and an excellent taste," TinCow proclaimed, holding a glas of 1983 Château Ducru-Beaucaillou in his right hand. "If he had been drinking the drink of a noble man," TinCow continued, sipping from the old red wine, "perhaps, he'd still been alive. But alas, he preferred hard liquor."

The villagers stared at him while he continued his defense.

"But anyway, to make a long story short: I came here to kill Don Fernando Delgado aka Don E. He is now dead, so I will leave this place."

"Is that your defense?" one of the villagers asked, in disbelief. "You confess that you were here to kill the Don. Then you state that he's now dead and so we should let you go?"

"Well yes, indeed."

"And you promise you will leave in a ship and never return?"

"Well, I swear this to you on my wine cellar! A wine cellar which contains more treasures like this one," he added, showing the almost empty bottle of 1983 Château Ducru-Beaucaillou. "Surely, you can trust me! It's not like I just made a promise on the head of some vague beloved one. I'm risking the honor of my wine cellar here!"

"Do you think we are stupid?"

"I don't just think you are stupid. I'm 100 % sure that you are the most moronic people in the world! Lynching one random guy each day, hoping you'll eventually find the people killing you one at the time? See how succesful you have been! We're down to 9, me included!"

"YOU WILL DIE!" several villagers yelled.

"Unfortunately, we all have to die some day. Allthough, if I may, I'd rather not die on this particular day."

"YOU WILL DIE NOW!"

"But, my wine cellar!!" TinCow started to get really distressed at the thought of no longer being able to simply sit in his wine cellar, worshipping all those bottles.

"We don't care about your wine cellar, man!"

"Oh, but you should. I carefully picked each and every single bottle in it. Each purchase has been done after several hours of studying specialised literature, looking at specialised websites and talking with experts in the field. I once travelled to..."

One of the villagers hit TinCow straight in the face which caused him to collapse. Two others grabbed him and tied him up.

TinCow found himself tied at a stake and standing on a huge pile of wood.

"They say alcohol is inflammable!"

"It most certainly is," TinCow started to explain, "allthough..."

Suddenly, the villagers unveiled all the bottles from TinCow's cellar.

"But, but, that won't burn very well, the alcohol percentage...."

"We'll mix it with pure alcohol and gasoline, don't worry."

"You, you... you're going to ruin that excellent wine by mixing it with gasoline? Are you... Are you insane?"

"Perhaps we are!"

TinCow died instantly from a heart attack.

***
TinCow: 6 (Riedquat, Jarema, Darth Feather, Arjos, White_Eyes:D, TheFlax) :skull:

Riedquat: 2 (johnhughthom, TinCow)
Darth Feather: 1 (Makrell)

***

Alive (8/29)
Riedquat
Jarema
Darth Feather
Makrell
Arjos
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
johnhughthom

Killed (14)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG
autolycus
Visorslash
BSmith
edse (in his capacity of replacement of Cornelius)

Lynched (7)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
TinCow

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (3)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4
johnhughthom replaced Xenoneb at the beginning of Day 6

***

It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 24 hours.

LazyMcCrow

02-05-2013, 22:36

For shame.

Askthepizzaguy

02-06-2013, 08:40

One of the worst lynches of all time. Guilty or not.

Oh well. At least I get to enjoy some steak while I'm dead. And it's already properly marinated with liquor.

White_eyes:D

02-06-2013, 11:22

One of the worst lynches of all time. Guilty or not.
Yeah right...I can think of a thousand lynches that are much worse. You really have it in for everyone who is townie don't you?:no:

Askthepizzaguy

02-06-2013, 16:06

Yeah right...I can think of a thousand lynches that are much worse. You really have it in for everyone who is townie don't you?:no:

Or, you do.

TinCow

02-06-2013, 16:22

Or, you do.

Unfortunately he is just misguided, my results on him are accurate. He'll be eating his words in a few hours anyway. One kill or two, it'll put the kibosh on his me-as-last-scum theory.

Askthepizzaguy

02-06-2013, 16:39

I just want to point out that the town and the mafia were in perfect agreement as to who to lynch, given that tally.

That meant the mafia thought they could win if you lynched Tincow.

That is what the tally means.

TinCow: 6 (Riedquat, Jarema, Darth Feather, Arjos, White_Eyes:D, TheFlax)
Riedquat: 2 (johnhughthom, TinCow)
Darth Feather: 1 (Makrell)

See?

You guys need to be able to read the tally for information as vital as that.

Riedquat

02-06-2013, 18:38

Talking about clusters of nonsense... yeah it was clear for everybody if the game doesn't end now, the last scum is between Darth Feather and me :)

El Barto

02-06-2013, 19:14

When in doubt, lynch kumquat.

Andres

02-06-2013, 23:04

Night 8 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/vollemaan.jpg

Arjos had always been a man of no nonsense. When others fell for smooth talk and silver tongues, he kept a cool head. Arjos was not a man who was fooled lightly! He was glad people had finally listened to reason and got rid of the wine cellar man!

In fact, he was very pleased with how his execution went. While everybody was listening to the ramblings of wine cellar man, nobody noticed how Arjos swapped the true content of the wine cellar with cheap stuff. Nobody noticed the difference and now he was sitting in his own cellar, staring at all those bottles.

He opened a bottle of Veuve Cliquot, one of his favourite champagnes, and filled a glas.

"You know, it tastes better if you open it with a sabre."

Arjos almost got a heart attack!

"Man, I know we got the last one of those murdering bastards, but that doesn't mean I'm already far enough that I will survive somebody sneaking up on me like that!"

"Ah, but perhaps the idea is that you don't survive at all!"

"Hahaha," Arjos laughed, a bit nervous. "Good one. You almost sound like a killer. Anyway, want to join? I have plenty of bottles to share."

The figure stepped forward, holding a big sabre in his hand.

"You need to use the sabre. It's so much cooler."

Arjos quickly drank his glas and filled it again. It was as if he saw something coming and he wanted to enjoy as much champagne as possible.

"Isn't that sabre a bit too big?"

"Depends on what you're going to use it for," the figure said, smiling diabolically. Suddenly, he grabbed Arjos and held him in a firm grip. He slid the sabre along Arjos' body, with one smooth move slicing through his neck and with a quick twist from his wrist, he made Arjos head fly through the air.

Arjos got sabraged...

***

Makrell was an educated man. He didn't talk a lot, but that was for a good reason: he was always busy reading interesting books, like "Violet Mackerel’s Brilliant Plot", "The Mackerel Plaza", "Violet Mackerel's Remarkable Recovery", "Violet Mackerel's Natural Habitat", "Mackarels in the Moonlight: Four Corrupt American Mayors", "Holy Mackarel! The Amos and Andy Story", "The Amazing Mackarel Pudding Plan: Classic Diet Recipe Cards from the 1970s" and his all time favourite "The Allmighty Mackarel and His Holy Bootstraps."

Surely, there was nobody more knowledgeable about Mackerel than Makrell!

While he was reading his favourite books, the doorbell suddenly rang.

Slightly annoyed, he didn't like being interrupted when reading a good book, Makrell opened the door.

"Good day sir, I am from the Mackerel association and I bring you a free book about Mackerel."

Makrell showed a deep smile. "Well, thank you good sir! What a coincidence. I happen to be a big fan of Mackerel books!"

"I'm glad we made you happy, frea..., ehm, I mean, good sir!"

Happy as a child, Makrell quickly went back to his living room with the new book. He had hardly turned the first page, when suddenly the doorbell rang again.

Curious, Makrell opened the door again.

"Good day sir, I am from the Mackerel association and I bring you one hundred free books about Mackerel!"

"Oh! Thank you, thank you! This must be my lucky day!"

"It most certainly is, good sir!".

Makrell carried the boxes, each containing 20 Mackerel books back to the living room. When he was finally done, the doorbell rang again!

"Good day sir, I am from the Mackerel assocation and I bring you several containers with thousands and thousands of books about Mackerel!"

"This, this can't be true!" Mackrell said, deeply touched.

"It is true, good sir. Please come outside!"

Mackrell stepped outside his house and the man from the Mackerell assocation quickly crawled up a crane.

Mackrell looked upwards and saw 5 containers high up in the sky. He didn't notice how the man pushed some buttons. When the containers came down, all he could think of were all those books about mackerel in it. When the pile of books crushed him, Mackrell was the luckiest man on earth.

***

The Palace - Day 8

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Org/ThePalace_zpse29c8d0a.jpg

The villagers, all 6 of them, were reading books about mackerel when suddenly one of them stood up.

"These books are so damn interesting. A pity our friend Makrell didn't get to read them all."

"Indeed. And what a pity Arjos didn't get to enjoy more of TinCows' wine," another one said, opening his third bottle of champagne, probably to drink away his feelings of sorry for Arjos' inability to drink the champagne himself.

"Let's execute the bastards who did this!"

"Yeah!"

***

Alive (6/29)
Riedquat
Jarema
Darth Feather
White_Eyes:D
TheFlax
johnhughthom

Killed (16)
edse
Zack
The King
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
El Barto
issaikhaan
Chaotix
ATPG
autolycus
Visorslash
BSmith
edse (in his capacity of replacement of Cornelius)
Makrell
Arjos

Lynched (7)
Nightbringer
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ishmael
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
TinCow

WoG/suicide (0)

Replaced (3)
edse replaced Cornelius at the end of Day 4
Visorslash replaced robbiecon at the end of Day 4
johnhughthom replaced Xenoneb at the beginning of Day 6

***

It's now day. Day will last for +/- 46 hours.

johnhughthom

02-06-2013, 23:13

Vote: Riedquat

Makrell

02-06-2013, 23:30

I would just like to note that those books are very interesting
go here for more tips and tricks about makrell :)
http://www.hooked.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60234&catid=136

Riedquat

02-07-2013, 00:36

Vote: Riedquat

Do you really think its me? If I were the last scum I would just kill Darth Feather and you to leave everybody perplexed! :laugh4:

Vote: Darth Feather

TinCow

02-07-2013, 01:08

I almost hope you get it wrong this round, for the sheer awesomeness of the standoff that would result on the final day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdAsL1n6q4

Visor

02-07-2013, 03:44

Kill Darth Feather.

Darth Feather

02-07-2013, 09:35

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 12:16

I noticed that ACIN tried to swing the lynch vote towards Darth Feather...I think he is mostly cleared by that. I also noticed Riedquat always voted for Darth Feather every chance he could. I smell lynch bait on Darth Feather and that's why he likely still lives. I am kinda mad about John though....I can't follow any of his results because he was lurking but if he is still around next round lynch him.

Vote: Riedquat

Visor

02-07-2013, 12:32

Riedquat

02-07-2013, 13:42

As I see it, there are three possible scenario's

1) Riedquat is guilty (results in town victory even if I am lynched today)
2) JHT is guilty and very sneaky, which is rather unlikely but possible (results in mafia victory because Riedquat and I will be lynched today/tomorrow)
3) TinCow is guilty together with someone who is not on the list and made a glorious and very daring statement. (VERY, VERY unlikely IMO, and if true, Tincow deserves his mafia victory)

So I go for 1: vote: Riedquat

You know what? Crap! crap, crap!! This is exactly as I see the situation, and this post shouts town in my book.... If you are the mafia Darth, very well played!

I noticed that ACIN tried to swing the lynch vote towards Darth Feather...I think he is mostly cleared by that. I also noticed Riedquat always voted for Darth Feather every chance he could. I smell lynch bait on Darth Feather and that's why he likely still lives. I am kinda mad about John though....I can't follow any of his results because he was lurking but if he is still around next round lynch him.

Vote: Riedquat

Come on, I think here is where Ticncow forged the list, you can't be a real townie with such comments...what the heck are you talking about WE:D? This is utter nonsense! I don't remember voting DF this game... I've been voting Tincow and before xeno/beny/jht :stare:

Riedquat

02-07-2013, 13:48

NO! NO! NO! Bad white eyes!

IF you guys lynch Riedquat, I will be very disappointed. He is obvious townie. KILL DARTH FEATHER, AND WIN THE GAME.

Its fine if they lynch me, lets say there is a 45% chances the last scum being me or DF, a 5% being jht and another 5% we got all wrong, but the bloody reasons... I don't like being voted because somebody took the wrong pills this morning!

FoS: WhiteEyes:D

These have been my votes (if I don't miss any..):
El Barto
Khaan
Xeno
Bsmith
Csargo
Tincow

I didn't vote ACIN, and still think his defence was a bit odd! Please show us where I voted DF in every opportunity I had!

Arjos

02-07-2013, 14:01

I noticed that ACIN tried to swing the lynch vote towards Darth Feather...

Hypothetical: I'm mafia and getting votes all over the place. I know I'm getting lynched, now what do I do? Waste a vote on any random townie or I vote my partner, hoping to clear him?

Consider that and try not to fumble this game :P

Visor

02-07-2013, 14:06

Askthepizzaguy

02-07-2013, 14:12

Makrell is not quite as tasty as Cow.

*goes back to eating the slightly aged cow carcass*

OM NOM NOM NOM

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 14:40

Hypothetical: I'm mafia and getting votes all over the place. I know I'm getting lynched, now what do I do? Waste a vote on any random townie or I vote my partner, hoping to clear him?
I am going by the fact that I have never seen ACIN do that even when he was losing as scum, and it was only after he had only three votes on him he tried to do so.

Come on, I think here is where Ticncow forged the list, you can't be a real townie with such comments...what the heck are you talking about WE:D? This is utter nonsense! I don't remember voting DF this game... I've been voting Tincow and before xeno/beny/jht :stare:
Ok, you have been hinting then...

Talking about clusters of nonsense... yeah it was clear for everybody if the game doesn't end now, the last scum is between Darth Feather and me :)

Your not taking this at all like a townie but more as scum caught so close to the finish line.:yes:

Visorslash: :stop: before you hurt yourself

Arjos

02-07-2013, 14:46

So in your opinion, Riedquat as scum, killed me, after I made clear that I would vote for Darth?

Visor

02-07-2013, 14:52

I'd rather you not shoot yourself in the foot, so I won't be leaving white eyes.

Listen to Arjos if you won't listen to me.

TinCow

02-07-2013, 15:03

I have also come to believe that Darth is the correct lynch today. There's a fair chance that Riedquat is scum, but I think Darth edges him out a bit and is therefore the correct lynch.

Keep in mind that, of the three possible suspects, two of them know they are townies and know that there are really only two possible suspects. In addition, we pretty much all agree that JHT as scum is the least likely scenario due to Xeno's earlier behavior. That means that either Riedquat or Darth know they are a townie, and thus has a better idea than the rest of us who the the actual scum is. Today, we see Riedquat putting some serious effort into convincing people. Darth is just coasting. While Riedquat is under more pressure and has self-defense as part of his interest, an innocent townie in this scenario would likely be railing against the other almost-certain mafioso even when self-defense wasn't a factor. Darth isn't doing that, he's just content to make an easy vote with an obvious justification and let everyone else argue themselves blue with Riedquat. That doesn't look townie to me.

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 15:04

So in your opinion, Riedquat as scum, killed me, after I made clear that I would vote for Darth?:shrug: I thought I was going to too...imagine that.:clown:

In all seriousness though...both of them were going to the lynch, would killing you off make Darth Feather look more guilty or innocent? That's what I would think as scum anyway.

Edit: TinCow, I love you man but I can't take your word on Darth Feather seriously. You want a final showdown and your going to suggest everything to get it.

TinCow

02-07-2013, 15:10

You want a final showdown and your going to suggest everything to get it.

I said I almost hoped you got it wrong. That means I still want you to get it right. In any case, my post wasn't direct at you because you clearly are so prejudiced against me that you won't believe a single thing I've said.

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 15:14

I believe that you believe is different from what I believe. So far, I have a pretty bad track record...doesn't change who I am going to vote for.:book:

It means that I think you have a point...but I still am not convinced.

TinCow

02-07-2013, 15:20

So far, I have a pretty bad track record...doesn't change who I am going to vote for.:book:

In that, we are a lot alike. I have a very poor track record on actually lynching scum, but it doesn't stop me from trying.

I just want to point out that it's somewhat schizophrenic to believe that I'm telling the truth about my investigation results, but then think I'm intentionally trying to get you to lynch the wrong person. If you think this is all part of a scheme on my part, that's perfectly understandable. However, in that scenario you should be looking at everyone who's still alive as a suspect, not excluding the people I have cleared. If, on the other hand, you accept my investigation results, then you should also believe that I am actively trying to get the last mafioso lynched. That doesn't mean I'm right by any means, but it should certainly clarify my intentions.

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 15:23

Riedquat

02-07-2013, 15:27

Ok, you have been hinting then...

You are angering me WE! Where on the :daisy:'ing thread I've been hinting him? Show me please?
If you are talking about after Tincow's reveal, it wasn't obvious I will point in the opposite direction?

Your not taking this at all like a townie but more as scum caught so close to the finish line.:yes:

I realize it, the more you anger me with this nonsense the more I seem scum, well... well done! :shrug:

Riedquat

02-07-2013, 15:30

I can't believe I am doing this but TinCow has done what only Reenk as done before...made me ashamed of my vote.

Unvote:Riedquat Vote:Darth Feather

Now I will go and feel sad for the rest of the day.:sad:

You have my permission to vote me all you want, but be coherent in your reasoning please!

White_eyes:D

02-07-2013, 15:44

You have my permission to vote me all you want, but be coherent in your reasoning please! I think your the one who needs to relax...:sweatdrop:

Darth Feather

02-07-2013, 15:59

Hypothetical: I'm mafia and getting votes all over the place. I know I'm getting lynched, now what do I do? Waste a vote on any random townie or I vote my partner, hoping to clear him?

Consider that and try not to fumble this game :P

True as it may be, it may just be a attempt to avert the lynch to someone innocent, especially after you hinted you thought I were scum. Maybe he just hoped to make the townies take over your reasoning.

I'd rather you not shoot yourself in the foot, so I won't be leaving white eyes.

Listen to Arjos if you won't listen to me.

I am a little curious. WHY are you so sure about me being scum. You are screaming it since TinCow died (even before only then you said I were in league with TinCow). Seriously guys, Riedquat is the best chance we have. If we do not lynch him today, he will kill two extra townies.

I have also come to believe that Darth is the correct lynch today. There's a fair chance that Riedquat is scum, but I think Darth edges him out a bit and is therefore the correct lynch.

Keep in mind that, of the three possible suspects, two of them know they are townies and know that there are really only two possible suspects. In addition, we pretty much all agree that JHT as scum is the least likely scenario due to Xeno's earlier behavior. That means that either Riedquat or Darth know they are a townie, and thus has a better idea than the rest of us who the the actual scum is. Today, we see Riedquat putting some serious effort into convincing people. Darth is just coasting. While Riedquat is under more pressure and has self-defense as part of his interest, an innocent townie in this scenario would likely be railing against the other almost-certain mafioso even when self-defense wasn't a factor. Darth isn't doing that, he's just content to make an easy vote with an obvious justification and let everyone else argue themselves blue with Riedquat. That doesn't look townie to me.

I had to get the info on my internship in RL. I was away from the forum since 10 AM (GMT +1)

TheFlax

02-07-2013, 16:03

Not much to say except Vote: Darth Feather

Jarema

02-07-2013, 16:17

after some quick reading, vote: Darth Feather

Jarema

02-07-2013, 16:17

sorry.
vote: Darth Feather