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Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-25-2013, 12:27
Tally:
Caius - 7: Diana Abnoba, B_Ray, Elite Ferret, Curio, Montmorency, edse, Lazy McCrow
edse - 5: Darth Feather, Makrell, Seon, BSmith, Major Robert Dump
Darth Feather - 1: Zack
LazyMcCrow - 1: Andres
No Vote - 4: rickinator9, classical_hero, Caius, Visorslash
For the record 10 votes are required to achieve an absolute majority.
LazyMcCrow
04-25-2013, 12:44
I'd suggest Andres and Zack switch their votes to their preferred candidate of either Caius or edse. It will be interesting to see which they go for and the rest of us can act accordingly to achieve a majority. As far as I'm concerned, if we don't reach consensus we will be punished - therefore, if you are responsible for that - you are scum and need to be lynched.
I'd suggest Andres and Zack switch their votes to their preferred candidate of either Caius or edse. It will be interesting to see which they go for and the rest of us can act accordingly to achieve a majority. As far as I'm concerned, if we don't reach consensus we will be punished - therefore, if you are responsible for that - you are scum and need to be lynched.
Careful, you might get yourself lynched talking like that.
LazyMcCrow
04-25-2013, 13:35
Careful, you might get yourself lynched talking like that.
If that's something you'd like to see then vote me. Point is, we can't afford to lose an extra townie every day just because of random/unfocused voting.
rickinator9
04-25-2013, 13:46
Why does everyone think I'm an undead zombie! I'm already dead, ya know?
Sorry, your real name is robbiecon.
Unvote: Vote: LazyMcCrow for doing whatever I have done the previuos days. Also mafia is more likely to be among those voting for Caius since it's better for them to be on good terms with someone active rather than an inactive.
Tally:
6 Caius: Diana Abnoba, B_Ray, Elite Ferret, Gaius, Montmorency, Lazy McCrow
5 edse: Darth Feather, Makrell, Seon, BSmith, Major Robert Dump
2 LazyMcCrow: Andres, edse
1 Darth Feather: Zack
4 No Vote: robbiecon, classical_hero, Caius, Visorslash
I thought the votes on edse were pretty scummy, but he's just gone off the deep end. Caius is the obvious lynch candidate here: he's an inactive player, which means that regardless of his alignment, he's completely useless to the town and he's not going to be killed by the mafia. Yet edse's last move was so twitchy and counter-productive that I really have to FoS him. :stare:
LazyMcCrow
04-25-2013, 15:54
And I'm happy to switch my vote to him. unvote: vote: edse
LazyMcCrow is starting to sound very suspicious.
They both sound suspicious. edse doesn't want to lynch Caius and suggests "mafia is more likely to be among those voting for Caius" to justify his vote change. McCrow seems awfully eager to place heat on him, though his vote switch doesn't actually move us any further from securing a majority.
You know what...
:smartass:
We need 9 votes to lynch, and now that edse has the lead with 6, I can bump him to 7.
unvote: Caius
vote: edse
You earned it.
I still say we lynch Caius next round.
They both sound suspicious. edse doesn't want to lynch Caius and suggests "mafia is more likely to be among those voting for Caius" to justify his vote change. McCrow seems awfully eager to place heat on him, though his vote switch doesn't actually move us any further from securing a majority.
What Mafia would, in a 7-5 situation, do something that risks his life? I know I'm bad but not THAT bad.
We lynch Lazy today, he is scum. Tomorrow we lynch Caius unless someone else pops up.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-26-2013, 07:31
Unvote; Vote: Lazy McCrow
I agree with the sentiment that Caius will keep, but in my opinion Lazy has acted far more suspiciously than edse. Not that I think it will make much of a difference - I suppose every little helps...
Also, I did note before, we need an absolute majority, so 10 votes, not 9 are required today, just as 11 not 10 were required yesterday...
LazyMcCrow
04-26-2013, 10:34
So - you guys didn't like being poked today huh? It will be interesting to see who votes with who over the coming days.
So - you guys didn't like being poked today huh? It will be interesting to see who votes with who over the coming days.
Scummy.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-26-2013, 11:05
So - you guys didn't like being poked today huh? It will be interesting to see who votes with who over the coming days.
That cuts both ways... :yes:
As a sidenote - the format itself encourages bandwagonning and voting in blocs - something Pizza will have anticipated. I wonder whether this is some sort of social experiment to see how Orgah mafia players react when placed under intense periods of pressure in an entirely arbitrary way, as opposed to the usual sustained intensity...
It is certainly interesting to observe and be a part of...
Askthepizzaguy
04-26-2013, 11:08
That cuts both ways... :yes:
As a sidenote - the format itself encourages bandwagonning and voting in blocs - something Pizza will have anticipated. I wonder whether this is some sort of social experiment to see how Orgah mafia players react when placed under intense periods of pressure in an entirely arbitrary way, as opposed to the usual sustained intensity...
It is certainly interesting to observe and be a part of...
It certainly is an experiment, of sorts.
I've been watching you all very closely. It's been gratifying to watch you squirm.
What Mafia would, in a 7-5 situation, do something that risks his life? I know I'm bad but not THAT bad.
The one who "risks" his life so he can have a nice defense to fall back on later.
Unvote, Vote: edse
The one who "risks" his life so he can have a nice defense to fall back on later.
Unvote, Vote: edse
Yeah,""risks""
Why would I need to defend myself later when I'm dead?
Unvote: Vote: edse for the towns best (one more vote for majority). Lynch Lazy tomorrow.
Yeah,""risks""
Why would I need to defend myself later when I'm dead?
Unvote: Vote: edse for the towns best (one more vote for majority). Lynch Lazy tomorrow.
That's a scummy vote.
Unvote; Vote : edse
That's a scummy vote.
Unvote; Vote : edse
"Scummy" lol
Tally:
10 edse: Darth Feather, Makrell, Seon, BSmith, Major Robert Dump, LazyMcCrow, B_Ray, Zack, edse, Andres
3 Caius: Diana Abnoba, Elite Ferret, Montmorency
2 LazyMcCrow: Gaius
4 No Vote: robbiecon, classical_hero, Caius, Visorslash
Day is over.
Majority reached. edse has been lynched.
Askthepizzaguy
04-26-2013, 20:53
Writeup coming in approximately 11 hours.
Yeah,""risks""
Why would I need to defend myself later when I'm dead?
Unvote: Vote: edse for the towns best (one more vote for majority). Lynch Lazy tomorrow.
Your defense is to lynch yourself? Why not simply make a better case for Lazy?
If you act like an idiot while you're alive, I'm not going to follow your advice when you die just because your name is blue.
There should have been a space between the parts.
Why would I need to defend myself later when I'm dead?
Unvote: Vote: edse for the towns best (one more vote for majority). Lynch Lazy tomorrow.
The first part is a comment to your accusation that I performed that action in order to use it as defence when it was very likely that I would lynch myself by doing it.
The second part is simply me trying to avoid the town penalty like the other days. The vote was 8-3-3 and rising so there was no point fighting it. As far as I know the case on me was that I drove the previous lynches too hard and then my vote for Lazy. To me his last 3-4 post screams scum, but that's me.
LazyMcCrow
04-27-2013, 08:15
Your defense is to lynch yourself? Why not simply make a better case for Lazy?
If you act like an idiot while you're alive, I'm not going to follow your advice when you die just because your name is blue.
Majority reached. edse has been lynched.
Looks red to me.
Askthepizzaguy
04-27-2013, 08:26
~~~
end of day
~~~
the toys have chosen incorrectly again/
much to my delight/
its fun to watch them suffer and die/
while hiding in plain sight/
they don't even seem to notice I am here/
time for edse to say good night/
and close his innocent little eyes/
and sleep so snug and tight/
why not tie him up to a chair/
and use the drill on his eyes/
go slowly so he can feel it go all the way in/
brains brains brains brains/
splattered everywhere/
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
begin night three/
Sleep tight my helpless victims/
ha ha ha ha ha
Askthepizzaguy
04-29-2013, 10:09
~~~
end of night
~~~
let us cool things down a bit/
i would not want our toys to melt too soon/
some of them cannot stand the heat/
they will all burn in the fires of our love/
but not yet/
tonight i think someone should chill out/
you know what to do/
classical_hero awoke inside of what seemed to be a meat locker.
He found that he was tied to a chair, and sitting in the middle of rows and rows of bovine carcasses, some of them hanging from a mechanism on the ceiling.
This gave him the impression that the prison they were all trapped in was some kind of abandoned meat processing facility, or a warehouse specifically designed to store raw perishable foods like meat.
That would explain the industrial frying machine, as well as this particular room.
The conveyor above his head began to move, and the frozen solid cow corpses began to move along with it.... directly toward his face.
The heavy slabs of meat and bone were like blocks of concrete. They slammed into his face, immediately bloodying him, and dragged across his head like the heavy, lifeless lumps of frozen flesh that they were.
The conveyor was speeding up, and the slabs of meat were moving toward him faster and faster, slamming into him with more force. He was certain if he didn't escape, they would eventually decapitate him from the force of the blows alone.
And so it seemed, at long last, that he would reveal his true form.
classical_hero was not a fan of classical music, nor was he particularly any sort of hero. In fact, he was considered by some to be quite... evil.
No, not evil... something far worse than evil.
Evil has rules. Evil has a purpose. This was a man without a purpose. This was not even a man at all.
classical_hero began to radiate with pure, unmitigated rage at his captors. But soon the rage became less and less focused, and was directed outward, at everyone, and everything.
classical_hero roared with insane fury, and his body began to glow white hot. The chair beneath his body incinerated, even in this coldest of places. The cow carcasses slamming into his face were now roasting to a perfect temperature of medium well, before they even touched his body. He was free of his restraints.
Now, to address the minor annoyance. He turned to the conveyance, and unleashed a hellish blast of unknown forces. The carcasses flew off of the conveyor, and across the room. The concussive force of compressed air bent and warped the structure of the wall, and the cow carcasses flew apart like leaves.
The electrical motor of the conveyance was next, as it provided a source of power... unlimited power.
classical_hero summoned forces inside of him, and soon, the power running through the room began to channel through his body. In a dramatic show of force, he consumed the remaining carcasses with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
"Now you will experience the full power....."
Elsewhere in the facility, Chaotix' head began to spin on his corpse, and blood shot out of his ears. Then it laughed with inhuman laughter, and its eyes began to glow white with otherworldly power.
The lights in the facility began to flicker and dim as classical_hero consumed the electricity directly from the grid.
this toy is quite interesting/
not like the others/
a truly unique specimen/
i wish we could play with it further/
but do not hold back/
show me art/
show me love with your sickened heart/
show me pain/
show me evil with your sinister brain/
show me death/
give this toy its final breath/
As classical_hero roared with insane laughter, and literally radiated with unknown power, a hooded man entered the room and brandished a chainsaw.
classical_hero was too busy monologuing about how he would avenge the wrongs that the God of Chaos had suffered to notice the hooded figure sneaking up behind him.
The chainsaw roared to life, and it entered classical_hero's body from the left shoulder, and continued downward through his heart, and stopped in the middle of his intestines.
Not even a god could survive a blow like that. And my, but it was more gruesome than I care to describe.
And as you all know, I like describing gruesome things.
Elsewhere in the facility, Chaotix screamed in pain and suffering, and his head exploded in a fireball of flesh and bone.
and We enjoyed watching him die/
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
begin day four/
may your deaths be amusing/
classical_hero
04-29-2013, 15:07
You may kill me, but you can't silence me. evil laugh
LazyMcCrow
04-29-2013, 16:19
Vote: Andres
You spent the whole of the last day saying that LazyMcCrow seemed scummy, and now you vote for Darth Feather... Any particular reason why?
Vote:Andres
Darth Feather
04-29-2013, 17:08
I would like to know it as well. But for now I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.`
vote: caius Sooner or later we will need to get rid of him. He is needlesly increasing the number of votes we need for a majority.
BTW is Classical a neutral or a third party or is pizza just joking?
Askthepizzaguy
04-29-2013, 17:15
BTW is Classical a neutral or a third party or is pizza just joking?
He is not blue. The others were blue.
This one is green. That tells you that one of these things is not like the others....
Darth Feather
04-29-2013, 17:27
You may kill me, but you can't silence me. evil laugh
Never mind, this tells a lot. he is probably a mafia.
Fascinating stuff. I was under the assumption that Chaotix was essentially a neutral party, but it would seem that he is/was aligned with classical_hero in some way. Wonder if Chaotix's role changes any now that he's, um, different.
Gonna vote: Caius for the moment, though I suspect that if he were anything other than a vanilla townie, ATPG would have replaced him by now.
Vote: Darth Feather
Why you no dead?
vote: Darth Feather. Might as well vote you in both games. :yes:
You spent the whole of the last day saying that LazyMcCrow seemed scummy, and now you vote for Darth Feather... Any particular reason why?
Vote:Andres
What's wrong with voting a player who hasn't gotten any pressure at all so far to see how he responds at the start of a round in a game where you only have a lynch when a majority vote is reached?
Nothing at all. It just seemed strange that you dropped your case against LazyMcCrow all of a sudden.
vote: Caius
until a proper case is made (by someone else)
Darth Feather
04-29-2013, 20:39
Vote: Darth Feather
Why you no dead?
Because I no scum (in either of the games).
Nothing at all. It just seemed strange that you dropped your case against LazyMcCrow all of a sudden.
If there's nothing wrong with it, then why did you vote me?
Or did you subscribe another motive to my vote for Darth Feather? If so, what possible motive could I have gotten to vote Darth Feather? Also, what makes you think DF is innocent?
Nothing at all. It just seemed strange that you dropped your case against LazyMcCrow all of a sudden.
Is there nothing wrong with it, or is it strange? You're contradicting yourself.
There was nothing wrong with a player voting for Darth Feather at this stage of the game. The point I took issue with was just how easily Andres dropped his case on LazyMcCrow, having pressed quite firmly in the previous day phase. They are two separate issues that are able to coexist without contradiction.
There was nothing wrong with a player voting for Darth Feather at this stage of the game. The point I took issue with was just how easily Andres dropped his case on LazyMcCrow, having pressed quite firmly in the previous day phase. They are two separate issues that are able to coexist without contradiction.
I didn't realize that only mafia changed their mind, or decided to rearrange their priorities. What other nuggets of wisdom have I been missing out on?
I'm seriously sick of all these BS so-called scummy behaviors. There is no end-all trick to catching scum ("he voted third," "he changed his vote," "he voted for someone who also voted for him," etc.). Trying to distinguish certain behavioral patterns as particularly scummy is an exercise in futility. If you comb over all of the posts someone makes, you can surely construct a case by presenting the subject matter in a manner which portrays the person you're accusing in a negative light. You can do that for literally everyone, if you base your cases only on behavior. Furthermore, some players simply act "suspiciously" by nature, and can't help themselves. Why do you think the vast majority of lynches are wrong? Why do you think circumstantial evidence holds no weight in a court of law? It's because it's incredibly difficult to pinpoint scum based purely on conjecture.
Time and time again, the most effective method to catching scum has been proven to be by empirical methods. Whether this constitutes compiling everyone's actions into a spreadsheet and building a network with a central nexus(es) that gives all the orders to force everyone to be accountable for their actions, analyzing voting patterns, night action results, etc.
However, if we could always rely on empirical evidence, the games would be short and not very fun or challenging. Often, there is no empirical evidence available, and so we must look for other clues. And these clues are mostly misleading and lead to incorrect conclusions, and arguably no better (or even worse) than simply lynching based on a random number generator.
But people get all fussy if you try to maximize usage of empirical evidence (look at the amount of complaints I received after Pirate Ship Mafia II, for example). And maybe they're right to do so, because it arguably removes the element of fun and breaks the spirit of the game (I think trying to solve a puzzle and how all the pieces fit is fun in its own right), and it's dull if you're not in the network (certainly a valid complaint), and impossible to overcome if you're anti-town (which I'd argue might be true to some extent, but is not always the case; look at Darths and Droids Mafia, or any Capo game, for example).
Anyways, I'm not even sure what this turned into, or what I'm talking about anymore.
tl;dr building cases based on public behavior is of dubious effectiveness
Montmorency
04-29-2013, 23:53
Usually it's better to just go by gut instinct, as your "gut" will always have more information than you do. Rather than struggling to make explicit its empirical deliberations, just accept their output and move on. If it is shown to be wrong, it will integrate that information and take it into account later on. Your gut is your Humphrey.
Vote: Zack
My gut is conserving energy for the time being.
Usually it's better to just go by gut instinct, as your "gut" will always have more information than you do. Rather than struggling to make explicit its empirical deliberations, just accept their output and move on. If it is shown to be wrong, it will integrate that information and take it into account later on. Your gut is your Humphrey.
Vote: Zack
My gut is conserving energy for the time being.
Remember the first Pirate Ship Mafia game? When the mafia were obliterated by a group of townies killing people using an RNG?
Remember that game when all the mafia were killed in quick succession using gut instinct? Me neither.
I think you can actually tell quite a lot monitoring a player's behaviour, if you've played a few games with them anyway.
But I don't think Andres is much more likely to be scum than anyone else at the moment. The vote is there to pressure him into explaining why he dropped his previous case so readily and not because I think there is a realistic possibility of him being lynched today.
I'm not voting for him because I think it is scummy that he changed his mind, I am voting for him to find out why he changed his mind. There is a chance his explanation may provide clues of his alignment. At the very least, getting him to post more will provide more information for your 'gut' to work with.
I think you can actually tell quite a lot monitoring a player's behaviour, if you've played a few games with them anyway.
It's an illusion.
Montmorency
04-30-2013, 00:19
Remember the first Pirate Ship Mafia game? When the mafia were obliterated by a group of townies killing people using an RNG?
Of course, there is no equivalence between "gut" and RNG.
Remember that game when all the mafia were killed in quick succession using gut instinct? Me neither.
Almost every one. It is exceedingly rare for a player, having less information and fewer resources than the gut, to be correct in second-guessing its conclusions.
In fact, very often a player who 'goes against his gut' has merely ungraciously appropriated the gut's latest up-to-the-minute prognostications.
Montmorency
04-30-2013, 00:22
It's an illusion.
So the physicist said to the layman, I employ empirical methods in studying the universe.
The layman said, So you use your senses to observe the world around you?
The physicist said, No, it's an illusion.
:freak:
Gut instinct is how I play my games. I have a pretty good track record. I trust it over empirical evidence in some situations, because townies/scum can do stupid things.
Doom Project, I nailed BigTin using my ability, and subsequently nailed two other scumbags. D&D3, I nailed Jarrema from one post (granted I can almost read him like the back of my hand), when it comes to most people, I simply use my gut to read them, and more often then not, I am right.
I don't have the time to make a spreadsheet (even if I wanted to), and in a lot of games, it is useless.
Case building is a good idea.
Anyway; Vote: Andres
need to catch up.
Of course, there is no equivalence between "gut" and RNG.
Almost every one. It is exceedingly rare for a player, having less information and fewer resources than the gut, to be correct in second-guessing its conclusions.
In fact, very often a player who 'goes against his gut' has merely ungraciously appropriated the gut's latest up-to-the-minute prognostications.
So the physicist said to the layman, I employ empirical methods in studying the universe.
The layman said, So you use your senses to observe the world around you?
The physicist said, No, it's an illusion.
:freak:
Is the stand-up routine over now?
I simply use my gut to read them, and more often then not, I am right.
This cannot possibly be true, or else any game in which you were town would end very quickly.
It's an illusion.
@Jarrema
People often repeat/employ certain methods as scum/townie. Monitoring of behaviour (with experience), as well as accounting for the current situation is often one of the best chances of catching scum.
Anyway Zack, what 'empirical' evidence do you have in this game? (as in actions, etc...)
This cannot possibly be true, or else any game in which you were town would end very quickly.
One person does not a lynch make. The game doesn't revolve around my opinions. So no, you are incorrect there.
I could be right every game, but if no-one follows my vote, it doesn't matter.
Montmorency
04-30-2013, 00:29
Is the stand-up routine over now?
No joke.
This cannot possibly be true, or else any game in which you were town would end very quickly.
There's a difference between strongly suspecting someone of being scum, and successfully having them lynched on the basis of this suspicion.
@Jarrema
People often repeat/employ certain methods as scum/townie. Monitoring of behaviour (with experience), as well as accounting for the current situation is often one of the best chances of catching scum.
Such as?
I don't think you're understanding the probabilities. In the endgame (when the most scum are caught), simple probability dictates that you're far more likely to start lynching scum. The odds of going the whole game without lynching any mafia are really, really low.
Scum are rarely lynched in the early-mid game, and when they are, it's dumb luck.
Look at the General Hankerchief series. Completely vanilla in every sense of the word. There is NO empirical evidence. The mafia have historically done really well in those games, especially recently.
Anyway Zack, what 'empirical' evidence do you have in this game? (as in actions, etc...)
Did I say I have any?
There's a difference between strongly suspecting someone of being scum, and successfully having them lynched on the basis of this suspicion.
There's also such a thing as confirmation bias, and people tend to remember their successes more than their failures, leading to distorted perceptions of past events. Visorslash's claim that his "gut" has been right the majority of time is basically impossible.
without lynching any mafia are really, really low.
it has happened though. Mafia is not a game of random probabilities though. Most votes are made with reason and justification, which can be twisted to improve odds. Hell look at my recent game, where not one mafia/neutral role was lynched.
Yes, as less people exist, more random probabilites to lynch mafia exist, but the nature of the game and the concept itself warp those odds.
and when they are, it's dumb luck.
most not all.
Did I say I have any?
You complained about case building/behaviour monitoring, and say empirical evidence is better (or at least imply it), in a situation where there doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to use. I mean, this isn't really the right game to be discussing what 'method' is best, when the one you want to use is not feasible. I don't understand your argument in relation to this game. Towards mafia as a whole, I understand yet reject the principle.
Visorslash's claim that his "gut" has been right the majority of time is basically impossible.
You seem to think that I mean 90% etc success rates. I don't. I mean on average, I get a few more right then I do wrong. I'd say it'd be a bit over 50%, that throughout the duration of a game, I will at least suspect strongly (lynching requires others to follow/believe) most mafia members.
However I'm not going to go over this anymore now, as I have to leave. I disagree that spreadsheeting is the best way of catching mafia, it can be easily fooled, as can every other method although, but straight empirical is foolish.
Montmorency
04-30-2013, 00:44
There is NO empirical evidence.
There is less empirical evidence. This is the crucial point.
There's also such a thing as confirmation bias, and people tend to remember their successes more than their failures, leading to distorted perceptions of past events.
You are vulnerable to the exact same biases as your gut, yet the gut is both smarter and more intelligent. I'd say, go with the government over Will Smith.
Visorslash's claim that his "gut" has been right the majority of time is basically impossible.
The exact extent to which Visor's specific statement is self-flattery and no more is not pertinent.
Did I say I have any?
So in the absence of empirical evidence what is there to fall back on but gut feelings and the monitoring of behaviours? A random vote in a game such as this would only be to the hindrance of the town.
You complained about case building/behaviour monitoring, and say empirical evidence is better (or at least imply it), in a situation where there doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to use. I mean, this isn't really the right game to be discussing what 'method' is best, when the one you want to use is not feasible. I don't understand your argument in relation to this game. Towards mafia as a whole, I understand yet reject the principle.
I commented on a ridiculous perpetuation of commonly-held beliefs about the behaviors of mafia, and went on an tangential discussion of the merits of behavioral analysis in a much broader context. I didn't expect people to blow up at it in an absurd "I'm so good at this game!" protest.
So in the absence of empirical evidence what is there to fall back on but gut feelings and the monitoring of behaviours? A random vote in a game such as this would only be to the hindrance of the town.
It would likely be just as effective. Let's say that it's Day Four, there are 20 people alive, and three of them are mafia. You're not going to vote for yourself. That leaves a 3/19 chance in a random vote striking mafia, or ~16%. Hardly any less than the success rate of lynching mafia in the same situation using non-random methods.
Except that in this game a majority is required for a lynch to occur. If we all vote randomly then a townie will almost certainly be killed due to the involvement of the host/s.
As for the ridiculously held beliefs about mafia, I'd like to point out the lynch of B_Ray in El Barto's game. There is absolutely such a thing as scummy behaviour.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 01:34
I personally am of the opinion that it is possible to read something into people's behaviour - even if only those you are familiar with and only to a degree. When you have nothing else to go on, it is, however slightly, better than a scattergun approach. That said, I am under no illusions as to just how poor I am at reading people - hence my tendency to rely on the principle - 'what would I do in this situation?'. Unfortunately, that doesn't work particularly well either - just look at my terrible track record...
While I share Elite Ferret's concerns about failing to lynch someone due to divisions, the 24-hour warning should prevent that.
Since Lazy is sticking to his guns, I am inclined to view him less suspiciously than yesterday. Caius represents the easy vote - I am unconvinced. Similarly those following Andres vote on Darth Feather seem to have waiting to see which way to jump, before committing themselves - certainly not incriminating in itself but it does tug at my 'gut'. With the lack of any other information/feeling...
Vote: B_Ray
Tally
Darth Feather - 3: Andres; Zack; BSmith
Andres - 3: Lazy McCrow; Elite Ferret; Visorslash
Caius - 3: Darth Feather; B_Ray; Makrell
Zack - 1: Montmorency
B_Ray - 1: Curio
Apologies for the wank in my above posts, wasn't what I was trying to say.
Basically, I disagree with what you said Zack, that's the gist of it.
Obligatory Zack hasn't been killed night 1 ergo mafia.
Since Lazy is sticking to his guns, I am inclined to view him less suspiciously than yesterday. Caius represents the easy vote - I am unconvinced. Similarly those following Andres vote on Darth Feather seem to have waiting to see which way to jump, before committing themselves - certainly not incriminating in itself but it does tug at my 'gut'. With the lack of any other information/feeling...
Vote: B_Ray
I suppose I need to further justify voting for Caius? If you were mafia/scum in this game, wouldn't it be in your favor to keep players who are obviously inactive alive? As opposed to calling for their lynch? Since they present no threat to you, unlike the players who are voting?
Caius is deadweight to the town, but he possesses the same chance of being mafia as anyone else. So there is literally no downside to lynching Caius. If there's a better candidate, we can save Caius for later, but I don't really see one yet. If I had vote for someone else right now, it would be Elite Ferret, but I don't see him as a better choice than Caius.
Diana Abnoba
04-30-2013, 04:35
I agree with B_Ray's post above, and it was what I was trying to say the last round, when I voted Caius. We need to get rid of the deadweight in the town in the early rounds, when we can take the hit if he turns out to be townie after all (lots more round to scum hunt). Besides, in this game in particular, when we need a majority to lynch, he will only become a anchor around our necks, when it comes to the end game.
Vote: Caius again.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 08:34
I suppose I need to further justify voting for Caius? If you were mafia/scum in this game, wouldn't it be in your favor to keep players who are obviously inactive alive? As opposed to calling for their lynch? Since they present no threat to you, unlike the players who are voting?
Caius is deadweight to the town, but he possesses the same chance of being mafia as anyone else. So there is literally no downside to lynching Caius. If there's a better candidate, we can save Caius for later, but I don't really see one yet. If I had vote for someone else right now, it would be Elite Ferret, but I don't see him as a better choice than Caius.
You make a reasonable point regarding him not being a threat to any Mafioso.
On the other hand since he has been inactive for a month, even if he is mafia he is no threat to the town. If his colleague is lynched, he does not reappear and there is no murder - bingo. If his colleague is lynched and he reappears and there is a murder - bingo.
Given the town as a group has received the kick it needs from Chaotix/ATPG already, I doubt there will be a situation in which the voting is not decided by majority. Certainly that isn't imminent. On that basis I respectfully disagree with your assessment: there is literally no downside to keeping Caius alive, at this point in time. As I said, it is still the easy option with which to justify one's townie status.
No, that isn't enough to advocate strongly for your lynch, but it isn't enough to persuade me to unvote at this stage...
I think you can actually tell quite a lot monitoring a player's behaviour, if you've played a few games with them anyway.
But I don't think Andres is much more likely to be scum than anyone else at the moment. The vote is there to pressure him into explaining why he dropped his previous case so readily and not because I think there is a realistic possibility of him being lynched today.
I'm not voting for him because I think it is scummy that he changed his mind, I am voting for him to find out why he changed his mind. There is a chance his explanation may provide clues of his alignment. At the very least, getting him to post more will provide more information for your 'gut' to work with.
I didn't drop my case; I never said that from now on, I no longer think LazyMcCrow is guilty.
But there are other players as well and too much focus on one person, makes it easier for others to fly under the radar.
In this game, players like Darth Feather or Diana Abnoba are dangerous. You hardly notice them, but they are there. All too often is town focusing on the very active ones, usually lynching a few of them and then, at the end of the game, they realize that there are still a bunch of players who haven't gotten any attention at all.
In this game, there's no pressure to lynch somebody within 24 hours. We can spend an entire day analysing Darth Feather and Diana Abnoba and then pile 15 votes on LazyMcCrow.
Unvote; Vote : Zack
You make a reasonable point regarding him not being a threat to any Mafioso.
On the other hand since he has been inactive for a month, even if he is mafia he is no threat to the town. If his colleague is lynched, he does not reappear and there is no murder - bingo. If his colleague is lynched and he reappears and there is a murder - bingo.
Given the town as a group has received the kick it needs from Chaotix/ATPG already, I doubt there will be a situation in which the voting is not decided by majority. Certainly that isn't imminent. On that basis I respectfully disagree with your assessment: there is literally no downside to keeping Caius alive, at this point in time. As I said, it is still the easy option with which to justify one's townie status.
No, that isn't enough to advocate strongly for your lynch, but it isn't enough to persuade me to unvote at this stage...
Why do you always sound so suspicious?
I don't see the point in lynching Caius either.
I agree with B_Ray's post above, and it was what I was trying to say the last round, when I voted Caius. We need to get rid of the deadweight in the town in the early rounds, when we can take the hit if he turns out to be townie after all (lots more round to scum hunt). Besides, in this game in particular, when we need a majority to lynch, he will only become a anchor around our necks, when it comes to the end game.
Vote: Caius again.
Who says he won't get WoG'ed or replaced?
Darth Feather
04-30-2013, 10:37
Who says he won't get WoG'ed or replaced?
Because of this
15. That being said, there is no forced minimum activity requirement or publicly known threshold for booting inactive players. That person that seems inactive might be guilty and just laying low. You have been warned.
:bow:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 10:42
14. It is generally a good idea to actively participate in some fashion, such as discussing or voting. Otherwise cruel and unfair things may happen to you at the moderator's sole discretion.
15. That being said, there is no forced minimum activity requirement or publicly known threshold for booting inactive players. That person that seems inactive might be guilty and just laying low. You have been warned.
For the information of all, here are the two relevant 'rules'. They say everything, yet nothing.
WoGs are possible - we just don't know when. ATPG is making sure that he isn't forced to boot an inactive mafioso, but reserving the right to boot an inactive townie should he choose.
Darth Feather
04-30-2013, 10:48
Indeed, that rule 14 says he might be WOG'ed, but only if the host feels like it. If he is a townie, he might be WOGged (but only after a considerable time, I suppose). If he is scum, he probably won't.
In the meanwhile he is without voting increasing our lynching treshold => more bandwaggoning => bad
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 10:59
I'm sorry, but I don't see how the absence of one vote is a problem in a situation when we require a minimum of eight votes to lynch someone.
It wouldn't even be a problem if you required a minimum of five votes. If he isn't contributing, he is no threat to the mafia, but more importantly he is not any threat to the town.
To vote for Caius is to give the mafia an easy way out - if he is mafia and not contributing what better way to establish your 'innocence' than by 'bussing' onto a roiling bandwagon, when keeping him around is of no value to you..? If Caius is not mafia, oh well, everyone is 'erring on the side of caution', you lose nothing in terms of how you are regarded...
I admit frankly that were I a cunning mafioso, that is exactly what I would be doing...
Darth Feather
04-30-2013, 11:20
I'm sorry, but I don't see how the absence of one vote is a problem in a situation when we require a minimum of eight votes to lynch someone.
It wouldn't even be a problem if you required a minimum of five votes. If he isn't contributing, he is no threat to the mafia, but more importantly he is not any threat to the town.
To vote for Caius is to give the mafia an easy way out - if he is mafia and not contributing what better way to establish your 'innocence' than by 'bussing' onto a roiling bandwagon, when keeping him around is of no value to you..? If Caius is not mafia, oh well, everyone is 'erring on the side of caution', you lose nothing in terms of how you are regarded...
I admit frankly that were I a cunning mafioso, that is exactly what I would be doing...
You are making valid points, I grant you that. I didn't think it that way. Still, he could be scum just as well as anybody else.
And he is not contributing, so not helping the town and indeed not a threat to the mafia either.
But do you think mafia will so easily get away with it? In El Barto's game (which is running parallel) I remember Visorslash being lynched regardless of the fact that he had voted one of the other mafiosi. Especially in a game where bandwaggoning is a must. Here they would look guilty if they did not vote for the leading candidate (for trying to let the town undergo a cruel and unfair punishment).
So if Caius is really scum, if mafia voted for him I think they would gain nothing either.
Anyway, that is my opinion, feel free to differ. :2thumbsup:
Diana Abnoba
04-30-2013, 11:23
The thing is an inactive townie hurts us in the end rounds (especially in this game). If Caius is not lynched now, then we all will forget him and never lynch him. Then when the number is down to say around 5-6 players, and say we still have 2 mafia left, the mafia can just not vote, (along with Caius) or vote different from each other, and we never get a majority again, and this gets a townie killed each round from then on, and mafia wins. Non-voting players must die early (when we have the time (enough players left) to be able to take the hit if they are town) so this doesn't happen. Inactive player are no threat to the mafia in this game, if fact they can help them in the end rounds.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 11:29
I think that we are all in agreement that Caius could, theoretically, hurt the town in the final rounds: that is not the case right now, when regardless of his alignment he cannot hurt the town. Lynch him in on the second day after this one.
It behooves us to find the active mafia.
classical_hero
04-30-2013, 11:40
I am surprised that people don't understand what my role is. The useful thing is that my vote still counts even though Iam dead in the game, so that makes me rather powerful, since I can't be silenced by anyone.
vote:Andres
Darth Feather
04-30-2013, 11:42
I am surprised that people don't understand what my role is. The useful thing is that my vote still counts even though Iam dead in the game, so that makes me rather powerful, since I can't be silenced by anyone.
vote:Andres
YOU ARE A SITH FORCE GHOST!! You should have said that immediatly! FoS Classical_Hero for being dead scum
Darth Feather
04-30-2013, 11:51
I think that we are all in agreement that Caius could, theoretically, hurt the town in the final rounds: that is not the case right now, when regardless of his alignment he cannot hurt the town. Lynch him in on the second day after this one.
It behooves us to find the active mafia.
But if we have a better suspect on the second day after this one?
Now we don't have a better one (In my opinion), so now might be the time to get rid of him.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 11:57
1) Lynch the better suspect.
2) With all due respect, Darth Feather, anyone who has been active in the last four weeks is a better suspect. That includes you, our newly-undead interlocutor and myself...
well you are third party, and i guess you are some sort of ghost
I didn't drop my case; I never said that from now on, I no longer think LazyMcCrow is guilty.
But there are other players as well and too much focus on one person, makes it easier for others to fly under the radar.
In this game, players like Darth Feather or Diana Abnoba are dangerous. You hardly notice them, but they are there. All too often is town focusing on the very active ones, usually lynching a few of them and then, at the end of the game, they realize that there are still a bunch of players who haven't gotten any attention at all.
In this game, there's no pressure to lynch somebody within 24 hours. We can spend an entire day analysing Darth Feather and Diana Abnoba and then pile 15 votes on LazyMcCrow.
This is all I wanted.
Unvote; vote:Cauis
I think we are all agreed that his inactivity will harm the town in the future so he has to go at some point. I think it is better to get rid of him now for three reasons:
1. It eliminates the possibility of us lynching an active townie.
2. It increases our chances of finding scum in the next round, both because there will be a higher probability of finding one (which admittedly is quite meaningless) but mostly because there will be more posts from each active player to analyse/feed your gut/however you want to call it.
3. He seems just as likely as anyone to be scum at this point. Given that he hasn't already been replaced I suspect that if he was scum and we were to kill his partner first then the kills wouldn't stop but the host would allow the dead partner to continue submitting orders. As I said in the other thread, that's how I would play it were I host, better to let the game continue to flow rather than suffer from the inactivity of one player. Better to get kill him off immediately I feel.
The amount of times I've written Cauis instead of Caius...
Unvote; vote:Caius
Montmorency
04-30-2013, 13:15
Gaius' reasoning is suspect and may well be motivated.
Unvote; Vote: Caius
LazyMcCrow
04-30-2013, 13:52
unvote, vote: Caius
...and we never get a majority again, and this gets a townie killed each round from then on, and mafia wins.
One point to consider on this: we don't really know that Chaotix's punishment kills are only directed at townies. For all we know, he may not even know who the mafia are. Presently, I'm thinking the "cruel and unfair" aspect is meant to motivate all players to reach a consensus, not just townies, but I could be wrong.
How all this ties into classical_hero is even less clear.
Gaius, I do see your point. But the fact that you are so adamantly defending Caius (not directly, but by contending with anyone who does want to lynch him) without actually proposing a superior candidate is really puzzling. And suggesting that "every active player" is a better candidate than Caius doesn't hold water; it just sounds like a diversion.
One point to consider on this: we don't really know that Chaotix's punishment kills are only directed at townies. For all we know, he may not even know who the mafia are. Presently, I'm thinking the "cruel and unfair" aspect is meant to motivate all players to reach a consensus, not just townies, but I could be wrong.
How all this ties into classical_hero is even less clear.
Gaius, I do see your point. But the fact that you are so adamantly defending Caius (not directly, but by contending with anyone who does want to lynch him) without actually proposing a superior candidate is really puzzling. And suggesting that "every active player" is a better candidate than Caius doesn't hold water; it just sounds like a diversion.
FOOL. DO YOU MEAN TO IMPLY THAT I AM NOT OMNISCIENT?
IF THERE IS NO MAJORITY REACHED TODAY, B_RAY SHALL DIE.
Going off of Curio's previous tally:
Darth Feather - 2: Zack; BSmith
Andres - 1: Visorslash
Caius - 7: Darth Feather; B_Ray; Makrell ; Diana Abnoba ; Elite Ferret ; Montmorency ; Lazy McCrow
Zack - 1: Andres
B_Ray - 1: Curio
Andres - 1(?): classical_hero
That should leave 5 living players who have yet to vote, and only 2 more votes on Caius to Clinch the Lynch™.
FOOL. DO YOU MEAN TO IMPLY THAT I AM NOT OMNISCIENT?
IF THERE IS NO MAJORITY REACHED TODAY, B_RAY SHALL DIE.
Reading over the last two updates again, my hypothesis on Chaotix is that he represents a cult faction. Despite being dead, he still has a win condition, which would presumably be to ensure that the only surviving players are cultists. I don't think I've actually played in any mafia games with cults before, but I am aware of the concept. There's typically some kind of recruitment, but I doubt it could occur on a nightly basis. Perhaps the fact that classical_hero was labeled his avatar rather than his follower suggests that either {A} there is/was only one living cult member besides Chaotix or {B} there can only be one living cult member at a time. I'm guessing that Chaotix & classical_hero's win condition is one that couldn't be completely thwarted by the lynch of a single player, so I think scenario A is less likely than scenario B. Which might mean Chaotix gets to possess a new player whenever his avatar is lynched. If true, it could be any of us. Even me. :cthulhu:
classical_hero
04-30-2013, 20:02
I suggest that if the town wants to win then they should be working with me. Let's face facts, I now cannot be removed out of this game and thus I cannot be targeted ever again, thus I am in a very strong position to help out and get a victory. Ignore me at your peril.
unvote; vote:GSC
B_Ray, my vote counts.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
04-30-2013, 22:26
1. It eliminates the possibility of us lynching an active townie.
...
3. He seems just as likely as anyone to be scum at this point. Given that he hasn't already been replaced I suspect that if he was scum and we were to kill his partner first then the kills wouldn't stop but the host would allow the dead partner to continue submitting orders. As I said in the other thread, that's how I would play it were I host, better to let the game continue to flow rather than suffer from the inactivity of one player. Better to get kill him off immediately I feel.
The two best points in favour of lynching Caius immediately. One could counter the first by saying it also eliminates the chance of lynching an active mafioso, but the second is sound.
Given the current near unanimity of the town I am happy to vote for Caius if we are warned to hurry up.
Regarding Classical_Hero: he says that he cannot be lynched, but we only have his word on that...
Unvote; Vote: Classical_Hero
Regarding Classical_Hero: he says that he cannot be lynched, but we only have his word on that...
Looking back at the write-up, there's neither a list of living players (though that would be nice) nor a list of explicitly dead. It just says "broken toys". That could be purposely vague.
Whether or not he can be killed again, if classical_hero actually can still vote, he's made some odd choices. Successively voting two players who each have zero votes? What exactly are you trying to accomplish there? I call baloney.
Major Robert Dump
05-01-2013, 01:20
vote: Caius.
FOS anyone threatened first by the host, only to have another person veng-mudered
vote: Caius.
FOS anyone threatened first by the host, only to have another person veng-mudered
Oh good. I was worried I wouldn't get another volunteer.
If there is no majority reached, both B_Ray and Major Robert Dump will die.
Major Robert Dump
05-01-2013, 07:13
Told you
Askthepizzaguy
05-01-2013, 07:24
Vote: classical_hero
I said you were dead. Now comply, or I will do unmentionable things to your corpse.
It is quite a nice corpse, and lot of cleavage as you said yourself.
vote: Caius
This is the second time that ATPM voted while being the host, by he way.
That should do it for Caius.
robbiecon
05-01-2013, 15:58
Oh, I think one more vote for good measure.
Vote: Caius
Majority reached as of post #350.
Caius has been lynched.
Askthepizzaguy
05-01-2013, 19:36
I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend.
Now just wait a little bit longer- when I get back from work, I will post the writeup.
Askthepizzaguy
05-02-2013, 05:44
~~~
end of day
~~~
there is one toy who does not speak/
less discussion from it than the others/
speaks to the group less than even myself/
and so they suspect it is the quiet one/
how wrong they are/
they will never find us at this rate/
never my love/
what do we do with toys that refuse to play/
what do we do with misfit toys/
toys that will not even struggle/
toys that will not even scream/
silence is a way of life for them/
and so their death will also be silent/
impress upon them this vital lesson/
Caius found himself bound and gagged. His mouth completely covered in duct tape, and the tape continued around his body, over and over again, such that he looked like a mummy.
He was laying on a flat, smooth, metal surface. It was very dark, and the ceiling was very low. He couldn't even bend his knees.
A voice was heard over a loudspeaker, somewhere nearby.
little toy its time for you to pay
you signed up and you refused to play
and were silent every day
now feel the weight of your own guilt
the weight of those who you have doomed with inaction
the bodies of those who valiantly tried to save you from this fate
they failed
but at least they tried to help you
what did you do for them
would you die for them
would you die so they could live
you are too late
or rather you are about to be
now feel the weight of your shame
let it impress upon you the importance of voting
for it is the vote which is the key
to solving the mystery
The first body was loaded into a large meat-weighing scale. It weighed 140 pounds.
The hydraulic press reacted to this, and lowered by one inch. Caius said nothing.
The second body was loaded onto the scale. It weighed 190 pounds.
The hydraulic press lowered by an inch and a half. Caius said nothing.
The third body was loaded. It weighed 170 pounds.
The hydraulic press lowered once more. Caius said nothing.
More and more bodies were placed on the scale, and still, Caius said nothing as the hydraulic press began to crush him.
At the end, there was only half an inch remaining. And Caius spilled out of the machine in all directions, dripping silently onto the floor, never saying a word.
and We enjoyed watching him die/
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
caius- ....................... went smushy.
begin night four/
may everyone be as silent as caius the flat/
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2013, 04:53
~~~
end of night
~~~
this one toy is too smart for this game/
too cunning and must be stopped/
unlike the pancake man/
this one talks too much/
show him what we do with smart mouths that never close/
Zack woke with a pounding headache. He felt extremely uncomfortable, and was very disoriented.
He felt something wrong with his face, so he lifted his hands and felt a thick steel cable going down his throat, along with another thin tube which helped him to breathe. He felt like choking, and so he began to grasp the cable to try to pull it out of his throat.
little toy
little toy
your time for talking has come to an end
before you remove the cable from your insides
you should be aware of what it is attached to
look at the chart in front of you
Zack peered forward, and saw an x-ray of himself light up on the wall he was facing. It seemed as though the cable was attached to a metal object, which looked rather like a pine cone.
what you are seeing is the object
that will rip out your intestines
if you attempt to remove it
it slides down your throat rather easily
and down past your stomach and into your small intestine
but it can only go one way
as you can see the outside is covered
in jagged metal razor blades
all facing in the opposite direction
so if you attempt to remove it
you will regret such an action
in fact you might say
that you will be all torn to pieces
you could have solved this crime
i know that you have it in you
but now you have something else in you
and it will be fun to watch it get removed
would you care to make
any final guesses
before we gut you like a fish
Zack tried to speak, but nothing came out. The thick metal cable was in the way. But he began gesturing wildly, as if to communicate through charades.
His captors watched him, one in silence, and the other laughing. If he was anywhere near the mark, it was impossible to tell.
you guessed wrong
and now you will pay the penalty
why do you not stand and pay proper respects
The metal cable was hoisted upward by machine, as it seemed to be dangling from the ceiling. Now, Zack was forced to his feet, or his intestines would be ripped out. He signed another name, frantically and desperately hoping that it would be his salvation.
you have guessed incorrectly again
I hope you took ballet
The cable was hoisted just a little bit more, and now Zack was standing on the tip of his toes. He felt a sharp pain in his stomach, and he knew the metal "pine cone" had just dug into his flesh. He dared not move.
one last chance
dont choke
Zack quickly signed another name, and held his breath in dreadful anticipation.
not by the hairs on your chinny chin chin
are you ready
to walk the plank
zackbeard
Suddenly, Zack began signing another name, just as the metal cable began to rise. It stopped.
very good my little toy
you have done well
i knew you had it in you
Zack gripped the steel cable, as his legs were about to give out. Would he be released?
i regret that your chances are all used up
in our little game of hangman
time to see
what else
you have
in you
The metal cable jerked violently upward, pulling Zack's intestinal tract out of his mouth, while he was still alive. But he was not alive for much longer after that, for obvious reasons.
and We enjoyed watching him die/
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
caius- ....................... went smushy
zack- felt the need to spill his guts
begin day five/
it is not what goes into the mouth
that defiles the man/
but what comes out of the mouth
defiles the man
and leaves a mess on my floor/
now clean up your mess/
i did not enjoy his death
Askthepizzaguy
05-03-2013, 08:19
i did not enjoy his death
You'd be a sick sick sicko if you did.
I enjoyed his death.
You'd be a sick sick sicko if you did.
I enjoyed his death.
but you wrote in plural, implying several enjoyed it. ill just say i didnt, and wait till someone says they did
Darth Feather
05-03-2013, 10:03
I saw classical_hero enjoying it.
But he cant die, and is on the good team i think
Vote: Darth Feather
dont be cruel, det er jul
Darth Feather
05-03-2013, 10:26
det er jul
:confused:
Darth Feather
05-03-2013, 13:51
And another thing: classical_hero never said he was town. This makes me think he was neutral at best.
You may kill me, but you can't silence me. evil laugh
I think he must have thought everybody would realise he was scum and didn't try to hide it (due to the evil laugh).
I am surprised that people don't understand what my role is. The useful thing is that my vote still counts even though Iam dead in the game, so that makes me rather powerful, since I can't be silenced by anyone.
vote:Andres
Notice how he does not say what his role is and he doesn't claim to be a townie power role.
I suggest that if the town wants to win then they should be working with me. Let's face facts, I now cannot be removed out of this game and thus I cannot be targeted ever again, thus I am in a very strong position to help out and get a victory. Ignore me at your peril.
He says a victory: not a town victory.
I am not saying this evidence is conclusive, but he can claim whatever he wants afterwards without having lied at all.
FoS: classical_hero
I do believe him at one point: I think he can't be removed (mostly because he is amongst the broken toys).
Darth Feather
05-03-2013, 13:52
And for now: Placeholder vote: abstain
Yeah I don't think we should be listening to classical_hero, if he was town his name would have been in blue. We don't even have any way of knowing if his votes are real anyway.
Gonna need to do some reading before I vote...
LazyMcCrow
05-03-2013, 16:32
vote: Darth Feather abstain? really?
Darth Feather
05-03-2013, 16:48
vote: Darth Feather abstain? really?
Told you it was just a placeholder untill there is a good suspect.
That's the longest I've been alive in a game on this site in a long time. Alas, valar morghulis.
Vote : LazyMcCrow
Elite Ferret is rubbing me the wrong way as well. Should reread the thread.
Montmorency
05-03-2013, 21:48
It would be a bad idea to lynch Classical Hero.
He can't be lynched anyway.
Vote: Classical Hero
Diana Abnoba
05-04-2013, 00:35
Vote: Lazy McCrow
I pretty much agree with Feather's opinion of classical_hero. I suspect his win condition is the same as Chaotix's.
Gonna need to do some reading before I vote...
Agreed.
Elite Ferret is rubbing me the wrong way as well. Should reread the thread.
Agreed.
vote: Elite Ferret [subject to change]
Post #219 set off my scumdar, and you've smelled scummy ever since.
Really? A post where I made a point that had already been raised and was repeated by enough players for the person in question to be lynched. Odd scumdar you've got there.
I don't think Chaotix ever had a win condition, he's been sharing the hosting duties since the very beginning.
Unvote; Vote: Elite Ferret
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-04-2013, 13:44
Vote: Lazy McCrow as a placeholder...
Tally
Darth Feather (2) : Makrell ; Lazy McCrow
Lazy McCrow (2) : Diana Abnoba ; Curio
Elite Ferrett (2) : B_Ray ; Andres
Gaius Scribonius Curio (1) : Visorslash
classical hero (1) : montmorency
Need more consensus.
Odd scumdar you've got there.
Admittedly, I'm not that familiar with your personality or play style, but your posts have struck me as disingenuously eager to appear townie.
ha, i agree, thats why i suggest everyone vote DF
Darth Feather
05-04-2013, 17:36
ha, i agree, thats why i suggest everyone vote DF
Reason being?
unvote; vote: Makrell.
Darth Feather
05-04-2013, 17:40
and is on the good team i think
What makes you think so? I gave my reasons why I think he is scum. Now you give your reasons why you don't think he is scum (this is by the way one of the reasons why I voted you).
Major Robert Dump
05-05-2013, 04:16
Vote: Dark Feather
CH is some sort of possessed man from chaotix the ghost, if that was really a mafia role it would be way to OP
Darth Feather
05-05-2013, 13:02
CH is some sort of possessed man from chaotix the ghost, if that was really a mafia role it would be way to OP
I recently scrolled trough the star wars: fall of the order game.
What did we see there: Sith force ghosts, who have the power to vote.
And guess who was the host: ATPG.
So he would perfectly be willing to make mafia voting ghosts after death.
ah i see, ive never seen such roles before. But the question remains if we can lynch him?
LazyMcCrow
05-05-2013, 20:31
ah i see, ive never seen such roles before. But the question remains if we can lynch him?
I imagine he can - as he says - help town towards 'a' victory. Just lynch him before the end.
Darth Feather
05-05-2013, 20:41
I imagine he can - as he says - help town towards 'a' victory. Just lynch him before the end.
But what if he IS unlynchable and is trying to lure the town away from the real mafia.
Then in the end he will, together with his scumbuddies win the game.
I am just saying, untill we get a little better explaination from classical, I don't think we should listen to him.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2013, 12:50
It seems like it's been more than 24 hours since the last vote movement.
Just nudging the great and powerful Mod.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-06-2013, 13:14
1. Chaotix
2. Lazy McCrow
3. Gaius Scribonius Curio
4. Darth Feather
5. BSmith
6. Rickinator9
7. Visorslash
8. B_Ray
9. Caius
10. Jarema
11. Makrell
12. Elite Ferret
13. Diana Abnoba
14. Johnhughthom
15. Autolycus
16. Edse
17. Montmorency
18. Robbiecon
19. Major Robert Dump
20. Classical Hero
21. Zack
22. Seon
23. Andres
Updated player list for clarity. Let me know if there are problems.
Unvote; Vote: Elite Ferret in the name of promoting two possible candidates. Let it not be said that I stick rigidly to my own ideas to the detriment of the town...
You have 24 hours left. Get me a majority or there will be muchos pain. And by muchos I mean a lot.
hmm
vote: elite ferret
i am uncertain but maybe they are correct
Montmorency
05-06-2013, 18:31
The host will kill me if there is no majority.
The host will kill me if there is no majority.
The host doesn't kill anybody. But you will die all the same.
Makrell, you have not unvoted Darth Feather yet. However, I don't see anything in the official game rules regarding unvotes. ATPG, would you kindly provide clarity on this?
Assuming Makrell's vote for EF is invalid, the current tally stands as follows:
Darth Feather (3) : Makrell ; Lazy McCrow ; Major Robert Dump
Elite Ferret (3) : B_Ray ; Andres ; Curio
Gaius Scribonius Curio (1) : Visorslash
Lazy McCrow (1) : Diana Abnoba
Makrell (1) : Darth Feather
classical hero (1) : montmorency
I'm wondering why EF hasn't voted yet, especially considering his precarious position.
Darth Feather
05-06-2013, 19:12
When you do, you'll find that there is no requirement to unvote.
Here it is :)
Good call! OK, here's the amended tally.
Elite Ferret (4) : B_Ray ; Andres ; Curio ; Makrell
Darth Feather (2) : Lazy McCrow ; Major Robert Dump
Gaius Scribonius Curio (1) : Visorslash
Lazy McCrow (1) : Diana Abnoba
Makrell (1) : Darth Feather
classical hero (1) : montmorency
We're still far from reaching a majority.
Askthepizzaguy
05-06-2013, 19:47
Mwahahahahah
Oh how they scamper
But they cannot flee
Diana Abnoba
05-06-2013, 23:48
Okay Unvote; Vote: Elite Ferret
I don't think either of our top candidates for today are good ones, but I don't want to risk not reaching a majority, with around 18 hours left.
As regards to the Classical Hero thing, I think he is just messing with us. He is dead, period. Ignore him. He doesn't have a vote that counts.
LazyMcCrow
05-07-2013, 08:36
unvote, vote: Elite Ferret
Darth Feather
05-07-2013, 13:21
unvote; vote: Elite Ferret
That's 7 out of 14 for EF. Need one more vote.
Askthepizzaguy
05-07-2013, 13:46
That's 7 out of 14 for EF. Need one more vote.
As you wish.
Vote: Elite Ferret
Majority reached on Elite Ferret. He has been lynched.
Montmorency
05-07-2013, 19:54
I was not given ample opportunity to participate.
What is to be my compensation?
Askthepizzaguy
05-07-2013, 22:23
~~~
end of day
~~~
Elite Ferret was surprised to see the sudden shift in voting.
He popped the antidote into his mouth, and prepared to press the hidden trigger which would flood the chamber with gas.
The group had reached consensus, however. They believed that it was him who had been tormenting them.
He stepped toward the switch, but was tackled from behind. He reached forward, and his hand was stepped on by another captive.
He struggled mightily, snarling with frustration. He looked around, expecting his love to help him escape, but no such help came.
They had no weapons. They were beating him with bare hands and kicking him with bare feet. It would take a while for him to die.
It was painful, at first. But soon, the wounds he sustained made him feel numb and sore. He could barely move.
Someone slammed their foot down on the back of his neck, snapping it.
He stopped breathing, and blood pooled out of his mouth.
And yet, somehow....
we still enjoyed watching him die/
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
caius- ....................... went smushy
zack- felt the need to spill his guts
Elite Ferret- Tormentor of Toys
begin night five/
you are not finished yet/
now you must find the other/
Askthepizzaguy
you've stickied this not closed it.
Askthepizzaguy
05-08-2013, 05:41
Buh.... what?
Naw, I didn't make it sticky. That was the blood of the Ferret spilling everywhere.
Thread unstuck and closed.
Askthepizzaguy
05-09-2013, 16:28
~~~
end of night
~~~
The cell filled with gas. Everyone went to sleep.
In the morning, no one had died.
Did someone forget to take their antidote?
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
caius- ....................... went smushy
zack- felt the need to spill his guts
Elite Ferret- Tormentor of Toys
begin day six/
solve the crime/
Darth Feather
05-09-2013, 17:05
W00t!! We got one scum :)
Wow, we stomped out another bad guy and somehow avoided a night kill. Nice!
Personally, I figured I'd be last night's victim since I more-or-less led the bandwagon on the late Ferret. If somebody out there protected me, thanks!
Vote: robbiecon for lurking, voting for 3 townies, and waiting until after Caius lynch was sealed to join the bandwagon. He may just not be paying the game much attention, but he's done a good job of not helping whilst staying well under the radar.
Darth Feather
05-09-2013, 19:53
Actually you are right. He is not paying attention to his games ATM, but he might be the final scum (suppose C_H is a SK-ish role and EF and robbiecon are ordinary mafia) especially due to the lack of kill.
So vote: robbiecon
At worst we lynch an inactive townie.
I'll go along for now. vote: Robbiecon
LazyMcCrow
05-09-2013, 19:57
The posts leading up to that lynch cleared quite a few people in my eyes. Diana, and Curio amongst others, but right now DF and B_Ray are playing solid aggressive town. Maybe the majority required to lynch rule (not to mention the threat of punishment if unachieved) encourages that, but whatever - I'm happy to get behind you guys right now whatever you suggest.
vote: robbiecon
LazyMcCrow
05-09-2013, 20:05
I'd suppose Makrell is probably town too. On my list of suspects, the silence of Visorslash and the belligerence of MajorRDump both worry me. Seon hasn't said much so I don't know. Montmorency has been playing 3rdparty/SK since the word go and is probably not scum, but probably should be lynched because mafia theory states that he is not entitled to survive a game in any role.
Vote: robbiecon
those fine theories might aamont to quite a lot
You know what to do Andres.
LazyMcCrow
05-09-2013, 21:05
You know what to do Andres.
Aha! Very funny.
Andres seems reasonably townie to me, he's made alot more posts than most, after suspecting me for a bit along with Elite Ferret, he stated that he no longer thought I was scum, but then proceeded to vote me again. Other than that, I don't think he's put a foot wrong really.
It's almost as if he's too townie, isn't it...
LazyMcCrow
05-09-2013, 21:35
How did he respond when you suggested that you bus him in this manner then?
He said "What are you talking about? I'm a townie... Are you even allowed to PM me? I don't think you should be seeing as you are dead."
I took that as a go ahead.
Darth Feather
05-09-2013, 22:35
He said "What are you talking about? I'm a townie... Are you even allowed to PM me? I don't think you should be seeing as you are dead."
I took that as a go ahead.
FoS: Elite Ferret: I think you are scum
I'm convinced. Burn his body.
vote_burn: Elite Ferret
Montmorency
05-10-2013, 02:20
It would be a bad idea to lynch Classical Hero.
He can't be lynched anyway.
Vote: Classical Hero
Diana Abnoba
05-10-2013, 05:54
Okay, I agree with that choice, Vote: Robbiecon.
Askthepizzaguy
05-10-2013, 06:04
Majority nearly reached on robbiecon.
That was fast!
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-10-2013, 06:56
Vote: Visorslash
...because untested unanimity is usually unwise...
Yeah, this bandwagon got started a little too strongly, I think. It's good we're putting Chaotix out of business, but we do need some discussion to work with later on. But I suppose that will naturally come as the game gets closer to the end.
In the meantime, I'm wondering why there wasn't a kill last night. Only two reasons I can see: the guilty party didn't send in valid orders, or someone's role prevented a murder. If anybody protected or role-blocked anyone last night, that's relevant info. If anybody out there did something along those lines last night and you trust me, feel free to PM me about it. I'm not going to make it public info just yet, but I wouldn't recommend keeping it to yourself for too long, in case you wind up a victim as some point and can no longer share what you know with anyone.
Anybody want to take a guess at the number of guilty parties in this game? Based on the write-ups, I think it's safe to say that Elite Ferret had at least one partner, while Classical Hero was most likely a solo party. Clearly he had some powers/abilities at his disposal, but they should be irrelevant now. Does two mafia (our captors, in the context of the game) and one chaotic neutral party sound like enough non-townies for a game with 23 players? ATPG has certainly hinted that that's the case, but it seems too straight-forward for such a twisted premise.
Montmorency
05-10-2013, 19:51
...because untested unanimity is usually unwise...
How about untested equanimity?
:wink:
Askthepizzaguy
05-10-2013, 20:52
Very well. Vote: robbiecon.
Round ended. Writeup in progress.
Major Robert Dump
05-10-2013, 20:57
Me, belligerent?
Is vote: Dark Feather belligerent?
I am nothing if not consistent. I am a type A townie. Scumdar lock early. Just watching the show.
Major Robert Dump
05-10-2013, 20:57
damn
Askthepizzaguy
05-10-2013, 21:09
~~~
end of day
~~~
it is just not the same without you my love/
i cannot bring myself to commit the act/
i enjoy watching you do it/
but I will always be the voyeur/
the toys were able to break us/
and so many of our fantasies will no longer come true/
we had so many elaborate deaths planned for them/
and if i had your strength they would suffer those deaths/
and we would shatter those toys one by one/
still they would suspect nothing/
for we made the puzzle too difficult to solve/
i have to go now my love/
though i could fight onward/
it would be meaningless without you/
goodbye my love.
Askthepizzaguy stood up from where he was sitting in the corner. His quiet sobbing didn't look out of place. But somehow, nobody even noticed he was there, even when he had participated in their discussions.
Perhaps they didn't want to see him there. But all the clues had been hidden away, in the rules which were written for all to see.
When he forced the majority on Elite Ferret, he was certain they would notice him then. His death would have inspired his love to kill them even more viciously. And slaughter them even faster. And so, his vote had a purpose.
But his love was too cunning, even for him. He didn't even know that Elite Ferret was the one he admired from afar. He always wore that hood, and kept his face covered.
And so, faced with the inevitability of being trapped in the cage with his Toys, with nothing to eat, and no way of secretly killing them off, he decided that the game was over.
The Toys had won. And they would be free to escape from the Playground.
He knew what he was doing. When he voted to put robbiecon to death, it was clear that he was crying over the loss of Elite Ferret, not because he was helplessly trapped alongside them.
Even as he approached robbiecon, he knew he would be unable to do the deed personally. He could never summon the courage.
He thought about tormenting them further.
But it wouldn't be the same without his love.
He would not enjoy their deaths. They would be far less inspired. Mere beatings and strangulation.
They would not be art.
And without his Muse, they would never be truly inspired.
"though i could torment you further/
it is clear that you have broken us/
it was my hope that we could break you/
but you are too strong-willed/
you are free to go."
~~~
broken toys/
chaotix - head smashed in with hammer
townhughthom- legs sawed off on the 'merry-go-round'
autolycus- fell into a burning ring of fire
Jarema- turned into a french fried version of himself
rickinator9- left this world on a sad note
edse- didnt even see it coming
classical_hero / avatar of chaotix- his chest has much in the way of cleavage now
caius- ....................... went smushy
zack- felt the need to spill his guts
Elite Ferret- Tormentor of Toys
Askthepizzaguy- Keeper of Toys
congratulations
Askthepizzaguy
05-10-2013, 21:25
Postgame commentary
askthepizzaguy is a character which has been known to insert himself into his own stories from time to time.
however/ being a balanced game designer/ such an act is always problematic.
it needs to be fair to the other players.
in each instance of such a twist/ the game was winnable without voting for him.
in the golden rule/ you win by being the last one standing/ or no lynch no murdering/
and realizing that the solution is to treat others as you would wish to be treated/
as was the titular hint.
in the snatcher/ you could win by eliminating the player currently inhabited by askthepizzaguy.
but voting for askthepizzaguy would do nothing.
for askthepizzaguy to be an actual player/ it would have to be a secret.
which is why i posted "in" in bold/ after i announced that this is how you announce that you are playing.
the lack of player list and official tallies made it possible to hide/
but there would have to be some restrictions/
for one/ i cannot actually be the game host/ which means i needed chaotix to host the game/
i designed it but gave the design to him so the other roles would be randomized/
and requested that he add a role to the game that i did not know about/
which was not a detective or killing role for balance reasons/
therefore the game setup would be a mystery to me/
for my partner/ they would not fear investigation or murder/ but could only murder once per night/
unless i had been lynched/
then they could murder twice per night/
which would help buff the role which otherwise has little chance of surviving the game.
for myself/
i cannot know the identity of my partner/
i cannot communicate with my partner/
i cannot murder/
all i can do is act as a voting partner/
and i must also for fairness reasons make it clear that i am playing before 'lynch or lose' by voting unprovoked.
further/ i must vote for anyone who votes for me
and i put hints in the rules.
thus the game is solvable and fair to all.
i believe you would have solved it eventually but it would take a long time/
and if you did not solve it/ such a victory would be hollow/
and not much fun for either myself or my fellow players.
i gambled that i could manipulate you into lynching me first which would have been an awesome twist/
and given my partner new life/
but he was dead before i could set those events in motion/
so i played poorly and you played well/
rather than subject you to what would probably be more than a month of chasing ghosts/
i concede/ with my partner's consent.
i am not afraid to lose this game/ i just feel i didn't design it that well.
i hope you still had fun.
I WILL MAKE YOU SUFFER YOU SOME OTHER TIME.... MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Askthepizzaguy
05-10-2013, 21:49
You may begin by posting the word in, in bold thusly. Or you can try to be more clever and think of a subtler way.
Start with the rules, notice how I bolded "in" a second time, and re-read the game with the knowledge you have now.
I bet that you'll find some enjoyment in picking up on my hints.
A subtler way, indeed...
:( not a fan of the twist, but other than that good game indeed
Ugh, there was another page...
I suspected there would be something like that, honestly. The "think outside of the box thing" had been bothering me for a while and I wondered if we didn't have to lynch the host in order to win the game.
I had fun and I really appreciated the majority vote in combination with Chaotix putting pressure on the players when it took too long. I think that part of your concept could be useful in future games.
Darth Feather
05-10-2013, 22:07
Yay, we won!
Thanks for hosting Chaotix and ATPG. I still wonder what would have happened if we got to the latter rounds where bandwaggoning would be more devastating.
Or is it a fake ending? Is it over yet?
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-10-2013, 23:02
Thanks to ATPG for the concept and Chaotix for hosting. I really enjoyed it. :bow:
rather than subject you to what would probably be more than a month of chasing ghosts...
While I appreciate this, part of me is disappointed that we weren't allowed the time to solve the mystery and exact a long and lingering revenge. I had some nagging suspicions that you were involved, but not enough at this stage to act on them. Perhaps you were just too subtle...
And finally, just something that is bothering me. Andres: in what way am I 'always so suspicious'? I am genuinely confused...
Thanks for playing, all.
I had fun scaring you with my red text.
I'll post the role PMs soon.
Aw, I'm sad to see it end so soon, especially since ICFFoF is also nearing completion, but it was very fun while it lasted. I liked the setting and the sense of urgency created by the rules. I don't personally care for the gory, graphic death scenes, but I appreciated the serious tone they set. Much like watching Saw the first time, I figured there was an important twist coming, but I don't think I would have ever figured it out. While I first played mafia here at the .Org years ago, I haven't been very active since then, and up until now I hadn't participated in any games with "tricky" elements like voting for the host. But I'm starting to learn how cleverly you guys think.
:bow:
Thanks for hosting, ATPG! Sorry it didn't go quite as intended, but I suppose that's a necessary risk with such an elaborate design. Chaotix was a real wildcard, gotta give him credit for playing his part well (and of course for helping host).
Special role PMs:
Chaotix:
ROLE PM-
You're dead. [Neutral, no victory condition]
You will assist with the moderator duties that I cannot have while playing.
I require no assistance with the tally, although an extra set of eyes to make sure it is correct is welcome. I'll administer the lynches, but I won't know if the person being lynched is town, mafia, or what. You'll have to shoot me a PM if the person being lynched is anything besides a vanilla townie, so that it can be reflected in the list of the dead.
At night, any players with night actions will send them directly to you, which will be made abundantly clear in the role PMs they get. If they accidentally send them to me, I don't have any powers which can take advantage of this fact anyway, and it's their own fault for not reading the rules properly. I would then forward such a PM to you.
You will send me the results of the night only, I just need to know who needs to be added to the list of the dead. I won't know the origin of the action or anything else that happened. You'll send out result PMs to those who need them.
Ground rules, please follow:
1) Randomize the other roles besides my own, send out the role PMs I designed.
2) Add a surprise role of your own design- non-killing, non-investigatory please
3) Do not ever post a list of the living players, only the dead.
4) If 24 hours have passed without a vote, and no voting majority has been reached, a warning from the moderator is issued, that the round will end 24 hours thereafter. The round will end at the end of those 24 hours, regardless of what happens, to keep the game moving and not stagnant.
5) In the unlikely event the vote is tied at the end of a round that has ended by 24 hour warning, the player with the least number of posts in the game, and who has failed to vote that round, will be removed from play. [lynched instead of the tied candidates]
This is the secret, official list of players:
Askthepizzaguy
LazyMcCrow
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Darth Feather
BSmith
rickinator9
Visorslash
B_Ray
Caius
Jarema
Makrell
Elite Ferret
Diana Abnoba
townhughthom
Autolycus
Edse
Montmorency
robbiecon
Major Robert Dump
classical_hero
Zack
Seon
Andres
I will send the other PMs to you shortly.
Elite Ferret
Elite Ferret
You are a ruthless cold-blooded murderer.
You are a sick, demented freak who enjoys killing. And you have an admirer, who really enjoys your handiwork. You get love letters all the time, and contained within these love letters are depictions of violent, horrific murder, for the purposes of entertainment and gratification.
You both have set up a game which will allow you to slaughter as many victims as possible, in just the way that you both enjoy. Your partner loves to be as close to the action as possible, and also likes to remain anonymous. You've never actually met.
He or she has helped you assemble this group of victims in an abandoned warehouse, through acts of kidnapping. But he or she has also decided to pose as one of the victims, to get the full enjoyment of watching the victims squirm, and die horribly.
Your partner will not be killing. You are not even allowed to know who they are. But, they count toward your victory condition, as if they were your full partner.
In this abandoned warehouse, rebuilt into a giant sadistic prison and torture chamber, you will execute the innocents one per night, until they are all dead, or until they figure out that they were supposed to kill you.
If your partner is killed, you will begin killing twice per night, enraged at the loss of your secret admirer. It will become obvious after the fact who your partner was, because the love letters will stop.
If you are killed, your partner will have to go on and try to torment your victims without you.
Victory condition- Your team must be equal to or greater in number than the remainder of the living players.
Night actions: Send your murder choice to Chaotix every night phase.
classical_hero
classical_hero
You are a newly-possessed servant of chaos.
You were once destined to be a victim of this sick little game you are trapped in, but the fates have seen fit to grant you power beyond your greatest imagination. You will punish those responsible for trapping you here. The hunters shall become the hunted.
The rules of the game were broken when the Chaotic God was removed from play. As such, the Chaotic God has decided to break the rules in his own way to repay the debt. You are his secret rulebreaker, and you have been granted three boons to assist you in the destruction of this game.
FIRE – THE WRATH OF CHAOTIX
The Chaotic God has granted you the power to induce chaos amongst your foes. You have the ability to cause every action during the night to be sent to a random target instead of its original intended target. The flames of chaos are difficult for mortals to wield, however, and upon using this action, you cannot do anything the following night and you must wait 5 nights before you can use it again.
THUNDER – THE WARD OF CHAOTIX
The Chaotic God has granted you the power to protect those who your foes would harm. You have the ability to guard any other living player from attack at night, provided you successfully predict they are going to be attacked. The noise and chaos you create will be so great that the player under assault will be able to escape. There are no restrictions on this action.
WIND – THE VOICE OF CHAOTIX
The Chaotic God cannot grant you immortality, so he has granted you the next best thing. The barrier to the realm of the dead has been weakened in this place, and the voices of their spirits can be heard. Should you die before you have exerted the vengeance of Chaotix on your foes, your vote will still have influence over the congregation.
Victory condition- Bring glory to the Chaotic God, and make yourself instrumental in the downfall of his foes.
Send all night actions (and questions) to Chaotix.
Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy
You are a ruthless sadistic sociopath.
You are a sick, demented freak who enjoys watching people die. You have been following the work of a serial killer, and become a great admirer of this person. You've been sending this person love letters for some time now, sharing fantasies and asking the killer to act them out in real life.
You both have set up a game which will allow you to slaughter as many victims as possible, in just the way that you both enjoy. You love to be as close to the action as possible, and like to remain anonymous.
You've helped assemble this group of victims in an abandoned warehouse, through acts of kidnapping. You are posing as one of the victims, to get the full enjoyment of watching the victims squirm, and die horribly.
Here are the rules:
You enjoy watching the act of murder, but prefer only to watch. You don't like performing the act yourself. Although a certain "chaotic" victim did almost escape, and you were forced to beat him to death with a hammer. You swore that you would save the rest of the victims for your love to destroy personally.
1) You cannot murder.
Your partner is blending in with the other victims as well, and is a master of disguises.
2) You are not allowed to know who your partner is.
You are a valid target for murder, and also, for lynching. To ensure a fair "game", you must at least make your presence known.
3) At least once per game, you absolutely must place a legal vote. This must happen before there are only six remaining players, or you lose outright.
You are extremely anti-social. You don't handle being accused very well.
4) You must vote for anyone who votes for you, before that round ends.
Victory condition- Your team must be equal to or greater in number than the remainder of the living players.
Night actions: None.
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With that, all role PMs have been sent. You may begin the game.
A note: remember to be careful about what you do. There are some parts of this game that you didn't write the rules for.
El Barto
05-11-2013, 02:39
So, a game with one SK, another SK, one of the SK's unknown partner, and… hey, this was an interesting setup. It's sitll a bit creepy that you can write those things out of your arse just like that, Pizzamandudeboy.
classical_hero was not a Serial Killer.
He was a town-aligned power role.
Additionally, a mechanic unknown to all but myself - classical_hero was not the only player able to vote after death.
In fact - ALL players had this power. Even people who were not in the game could drop in spontaneously and make a valid vote. I was the only user on this site not allowed to vote in this game.
This was payback for ATPG's ability to influence the vote without other people knowing he was playing - in fact, everybody was a player, and if they figured it out via induction, they could turn his trick back on him.
classical_hero was not a Serial Killer.
He was a town-aligned power role.
Additionally, a mechanic unknown to all but myself - classical_hero was not the only player able to vote after death.
In fact - ALL players had this power. Even people who were not in the game could drop in spontaneously and make a valid vote. I was the only user on this site not allowed to vote in this game.
This was payback for ATPG's ability to influence the vote without other people knowing he was playing - in fact, everybody was a player, and if they figured it out via induction, they could turn his trick back on him.
I mentioned something similar that in one of threads about an idea I would like to see. Awesome to see someone actually doing something like that.
Thanks for the game Pizzaguy and Chaotix. I didn't think majority would be reached so early in this day phase, not that it mattered in the end.
Diana Abnoba
05-11-2013, 07:29
Thanks Chaotix for hosting, and Pizza for messing again with our minds. Interesting concept. To bad it ended so soon, I was just starting to get into it. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
05-11-2013, 08:38
So, a game with one SK, another SK, one of the SK's unknown partner, and… hey, this was an interesting setup. It's sitll a bit creepy that you can write those things out of your arse just like that, Pizzamandudeboy.
I believe I joined mafia in the first place because I wanted to write elaborate death scenes involving characters you'd identify with.
From the very first Simpsons game to the murder manor games to this one- if you're going to die in a mafia game, I prefer it to be more memorable than:
El Barto was found dead in the morning.
Apologies to those who don't like gory writeups. I tend to stay away from the genuinely disturbing, but I feel at least once a year, I need to do a Murder Manor or a Psycho Mafia or a Dinner Party where the writeups are dead serious and not laugh out loud funny. The harsh, dangerous tone helps set the mood.
Thanks to all for playing- sorry I chose to end it early, those of you who wanted to fight on: There are other game hosts waiting and unfortunately due to the number of people left and how far away you were from guessing me, it would have taken too long for the payoff.
You did well, there was no way I'd survive to the final round and vote you guys dead. As such, tipping the king over is the choice I made not just for myself but those waiting to host a game.
Additionally, a mechanic unknown to all but myself - classical_hero was not the only player able to vote after death.
In fact - ALL players had this power. Even people who were not in the game could drop in spontaneously and make a valid vote. I was the only user on this site not allowed to vote in this game.
This was payback for ATPG's ability to influence the vote without other people knowing he was playing - in fact, everybody was a player, and if they figured it out via induction, they could turn his trick back on him.
So does that mean a majority could have been reached without anyone actually in the game posting?
Certainly some interesting mechanics here, which I'd like to see used in future games. Thanks for hosting guys.
The torture of the toys has come to an end, for now.
LazyMcCrow
05-11-2013, 13:45
My head melted. At least it could have done, quite explicitly in the text, if the game had carried on. Thanks for hosting Pizzaguy. I'll try to be more savvy in the next one.
So does that mean a majority could have been reached without anyone actually in the game from posting?
Certainly some interesting mechanics here, which I'd like to see used in future games. Thanks for hosting guys.
The torture of the toys has come to an end, for now.
That's correct - the "majority" was based on the number of living players in the list, but could be caused by anyone.
Although I deemed the actual chances of anybody but classical_hero making use of this ability pretty low.
And the chances of people not even in the game, even lower.
There's a small hint in classical's role PM, but I didn't tell him - this was more of a secret ability to be unlocked if the town chanced upon it by a random dead townie voting as a joke and then causing a lynch with it.
robbiecon
05-11-2013, 20:25
I'm like tom riddle, the mere memory of me caused askthepizzaguy to lose his mind. :p
classical_hero
05-12-2013, 04:13
Subtlety is not a thing I understand all that well. Interesting concept. Shame I used the Fire power too early.
Askthepizzaguy
05-12-2013, 09:29
I'm like tom riddle, the mere memory of me caused askthepizzaguy to lose his mind. :p
Oh, that ship sailed a loooooong time ago.
Major Robert Dump
05-12-2013, 23:24
My first survival ever, and no thanks to myself. Silence is golden
it was... interesting setup.
I enjoyed it when I was alive
El Barto
05-13-2013, 20:27
I believe I joined mafia in the first place because I wanted to write elaborate death scenes involving characters you'd identify with.
From the very first Simpsons game to the murder manor games to this one- if you're going to die in a mafia game, I prefer it to be more memorable than:
El Barto was found dead in the morning.
In my game it was a stylistic choice -humility and manhood over everything else, if you get my meaning.
Apologies to those who don't like gory writeups. I tend to stay away from the genuinely disturbing, but I feel at least once a year, I need to do a Murder Manor or a Psycho Mafia or a Dinner Party where the writeups are dead serious and not laugh out loud funny. The harsh, dangerous tone helps set the mood.
Thanks to all for playing- sorry I chose to end it early, those of you who wanted to fight on: There are other game hosts waiting and unfortunately due to the number of people left and how far away you were from guessing me, it would have taken too long for the payoff.
You did well, there was no way I'd survive to the final round and vote you guys dead. As such, tipping the king over is the choice I made not just for myself but those waiting to host a game.
Gory writeups are fun! Not the haha kind of fun, mor elike the hoho kind of fun, but there's no accounting for my eclectic tastes.
Noble choice from you, my good host! Now onwards to the next game!
I'm like tom riddle, the mere memory of me caused askthepizzaguy to lose his mind. :pOh, that ship sailed a loooooong time ago.
All aboard the crazy traaaaiiinnn!
And finally, just something that is bothering me. Andres: in what way am I 'always so suspicious'? I am genuinely confused...
You're always nice, friendly, helpful and usually give plenty of explanation and analysis.
El Barto
05-13-2013, 21:22
So I, who am scummy as a townie, even as a GM, would slip completely under your radar? Good.
We really couldn't have done it without me. Congratulations, Zack. You done did a good job.
(i.e. I'm pretty sure I did absolutely nothing helpful to my team)
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