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Strike For The South
05-09-2013, 01:31
The barbarous Russians decided they were done raping every woman in Eastern Europe and WWII in Europe ended.
Better dead than Red.
It really is a black stain on the victory. Certainly I dislike NAZIs, but the fact we entered a pact with the most depraved people and nation state of the last century is so very sad.
Montmorency
05-09-2013, 01:41
чорт падбири тибя
Strike For The South
05-09-2013, 01:50
I don't use the Cyrillic alphabet. I'm a civilized human being.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-09-2013, 02:12
I don't use the Cyrillic alphabet. I'm a civilized human being.
Oh please!
Condemn the Soviets, especially under the leadership of Dze Gausveeli [sic?] all you wish. He was every bit the monster Adolf was and his go to guy Beria was even more of a sicko than most of the crew working for Hitler -- which is pretty nasty to say the least. On the other hand, condemning an alphabet, and by impllication the entire collection of cutlures associated with it, is a bit much.
Atrocities happened with appalling frequency on both sides of the Eastern Front. This was especially true of second-echelon troops on both sides, where rapine and looting were as bad as anything a medieval army could produce and on occurred on a scale that beggars the imagination. Moreover, as you rightly sneer at, it was the effective POLICY of both combatants to treat the civilians that way. Nauseating stuff.
HopAlongBunny
05-09-2013, 02:16
We, we, we did it for music!
http://youtu.be/OhHAEzM57hU
P.S. Where else would the Allies find 20+ million people to die for the cause?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-09-2013, 02:22
The death toll is probably exaggerated, and in any case it's the result of the REd Army being crap-tastic after the purges.
But, yeah, we were hoping the Reds would bleed out and the White Russians would be able to take back the country.
The barbarous half humans known as Russians [...] the most depraved people
Thank you for your application, but the position of propaganda minister last held by mister Goebbels has been vacant since 1945 and is currently not scheduled for replacement.
Strike For The South
05-09-2013, 02:48
Thank you for your application, but the position of propaganda minister last held by mister Goebbels has been vacant since 1945 and is currently not scheduled for replacement.
What do turkeys have to do with this?
What do turkeys have to do with this?
They grow on trees.
Papewaio
05-09-2013, 05:23
Thank you for your application, but the position of propaganda minister last held by mister Goebbels has been vacant since 1945 and is currently not scheduled for replacement.
It is written on The Wall of Text!!!!????(tm) that HollyWood already has that position.
While I believe Strikes hatred of both KAV and Soviets is that he secretly wants to be a communist bar tender seeing to all the needs of the Soviet woman.
The Germans have behaved horribly in Russia, I can kinda understand the Russians acted horrible as well
"I'm a civilized human being." You mean, belonging to a civilisation having roots with Greece?~D
Empire*Of*Media
05-09-2013, 09:30
What do turkeys have to do with this?
Turkey too forcibly transplanted 10 Million the poor Kurds to anywhere else except their homeland !!so many Brave Kurdish Girls & Women Revolted against their tyranny & Racism,revolt had little success, Britain & USA Aided Pan-Turkist Ataturk, and they wildly killed & Raped much of Them because only they were Kurds & wanted to speak with their own language !!(Like Armenians) but you know, no one knows because Turkey is a NATO member !!
and still the genocide of Saddam Hussain & Arabs upon the Kurds remains to be told that i think its a little off topic !!
oh excuse i thought you mean TURKEY not Turkey !!! :laugh4:
Empire*Of*Media
05-09-2013, 09:34
Please In My Posts dont misunderstand !! i mean no hatred or offend to anyone !!
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It is written on The Wall of Text!!!!????(tm) that HollyWood already has that position.
While I believe Strikes hatred of both KAV and Soviets is that he secretly wants to be a communist bar tender seeing to all the needs of the Soviet woman.
Exactly Right!! :rtwyes::yes:
"I'm a civilized human being." You mean, belonging to a civilisation having roots with Greece?~D
you think only wild spartans & slaver greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!!
German's didn't rape, you kidding me. The Germans have been an absolute terror to the Polish and the Russian people, the chivalry they showed in western-europe was completily absent in the eastern countries
Rhyfelwyr
05-09-2013, 12:54
Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.
Greyblades
05-09-2013, 13:39
Is that as in "most devastating because of the scale of the wars they were in were devastating regardless of their respective involvement" or as "they were manically destructive bastards".
Tellos Athenaios
05-09-2013, 13:42
I just like it when Rhy is being contrarian.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-09-2013, 14:09
Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.
By modern lights, yes. Churchill's sanction of the Hamburg Fire Attack and Truman's decision to nuke a second Japanese city alone would count as war crimes by current definitions as both leaders were certain of massive civilian casualties and made no efforts to minimize or limit those deaths. In fact, it can be argued that both leaders sought those civilian deaths in acts of terrorism (modern definition) designed to break the will of the opposition. In Truman's case, it can be argued that the act of terror worked.
Remember, however, that if you apply modern definitions to the acts of the past, most human cultures are little except for a collection of war criminals and thugs. Most of the Roman justice code involved what is labeled torture by modern definitions. The Feudal system of Western Europe was based on serfdom (functionally on slavery). Drogheda & Badajoz were sacked because they did not surrender when outnumbered and had to be assaulted. Aussie infantry in the trenchs of the Western Front were noted for their "too late chum" practice of bayonetting any surrendered German who -- in their opinion -- had been firing their weapon for too long before surrendering.
Be careful when applying modern definitions of morality and ethics to the past. Such applications are not without value, but they rarely account for the "there-then" context of those actions very well.
Rhyfelwyr
05-09-2013, 15:09
Is that as in "most devastating because of the scale of the wars they were in were devastating regardless of their respective involvement" or as "they were manically destructive bastards".
The latter, since they were aware of the scale of their actions, though the former naturally allowed it.
Churchill and Truman have proven themselves to be mass murders by their own actions - that they didn't attempt to slaughter their own populations like their enemies did is simply a happy consequence of the fact that they didn't happen to regard a large portion of them to be untermenchen or security threats.
Sir Moody
05-09-2013, 15:27
you think only wild spartans & slaver greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!!
The Greeks actually coined the term Civilised and Barbarian which is what Brenus was joking about - funnily enough the Greeks didn't consider the Spartans civilised...
The Feudal system of Western Europe was based on serfdom (functionally on slavery).
You mean a social contract. The citizenry provided vital labor and the lord and his men offered security and upholding of the law in return. Of course not all of the protectors took the protection aspect to heart, but today we have similar issues with protection vs privacy/freedom. There were actually a few cases where peasants won lawsuits against noblemen in courts, at least in Habsburg Germany/Austria.
All in all I'm sure they had a jolly good time without having to watch reality TV all day. ~;)
Greyblades
05-09-2013, 15:36
The latter, since they were aware of the scale of their actions, though the former naturally allowed it.
Churchill and Truman have proven themselves to be mass murders by their own actions - that they didn't attempt to slaughter their own populations like their enemies did is simply a happy consequence of the fact that they didn't happen to regard a large portion of them to be untermenchen or security threats.
Meh, war is dirty business, still dont see what makes these two particularly destructive that isnt explained through access to methods of war unavailable to most of the rest of history's war leaders.
Meh, war is dirty business, still dont see what makes these two particularly destructive that isnt explained through access to methods of war unavailable to most of the rest of history's war leaders.
Seems pretty obvious where the difference is, after the Netherlands was pwnd German soldiers had to solute captives. In the east taking prisoners wasn't all that important they just got killed
Greyblades
05-09-2013, 15:51
...what? We were talking about Churchill and Truman not hitler and stalin.
...what? We were talking about Churchill and Truman not hitler and stalin.
It's an example not an argument, do I have honey on my ass
Greyblades
05-09-2013, 16:02
It's an example not an argument, do I have honey on my ass
I am very confused.
I am very confused.
That's ok admitting it is step one
InsaneApache
05-09-2013, 17:13
That's ok admitting it is step one
I came to believe that I was powerless over my confusion. :wink:
What is going on in this thread. Some kind of bigotry amnesty been called?
Major Robert Dump
05-09-2013, 18:48
WWII was not a happy affair, the soldiers had very poor internet and the live news broadcasts were always delayed by at least 3 hours. The Russians war crimes were in direct response to the war crimes Japanese committed on China, lots of the Russians actually yelled "For China" during battle and rape-related activities. My grandfather was at Iwo Jima and he told me his portable music device malfunctioned right in the middle of battle and he was like WTF LOL??
“you think only wild Spartans & slaver Greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!” :laugh4: No, I was just pointing out that the Greeks have a Cyrillic Alphabet. And “barbarian” was all no-Greeks in Ancient Greek (foreigners). Now, you can carry on insulting and attacking everybody, you will find out soon enough nobody to debate with you. As what I know, you might have surprises.
“Hitler gave Direct order to not rape the poles & Jews” Sources? To whom? So it was ok the rape French, Italians, Yugoslav, Dutch, etc?
“you think only wild Spartans & slaver Greece was civilized !!!??? so all the world is a barbarian against the ancient greece's(and its lovers) eyes ??!! so im sorry for you, you dont know anything !!!!” :laugh4: No, I was just pointing out that the Greeks have a Cyrillic Alphabet. And “barbarian” was all no-Greeks in Ancient Greek (foreigners). Now, you can carry on insulting and attacking everybody, you will find out soon enough nobody to debate with you. As what I know, you might have surprises.
“Hitler gave Direct order to not rape the poles & Jews” Sources? To whom? So it was ok the rape French, Italians, Yugoslav, Dutch, etc?
German soldiers who raped Dutch women were actually hanged
Strike For The South
05-09-2013, 19:53
One German guy repudiates the post and he is showered with praise.
Sheeple, the lot of you
Sarmatian
05-09-2013, 20:47
One German guy repudiates the post and he is showered with praise.
Sheeple, the lot of you
It was a very simple and yet very appropriate response. You always were always rather extravagant with your posts, but lately you've been losing all sense of taste. Did Louis leaving really hit you that hard?
Empire*Of*Media
05-09-2013, 21:10
Meh, Churchill and Truman were two of the most devastating war criminals that history has even seen.
Right !! at least i found one knows a little of truth !!
churchil was a real bastard that served cunningly for the OLD FOX BRITAIN !!
Sarmatian
05-09-2013, 21:12
Right !! at least i found one knows a little of truth !!
Well, you can't have him. He's mine.
Strike For The South
05-09-2013, 22:03
It was a very simple and yet very appropriate response. You always were always rather extravagant with your posts, but lately you've been losing all sense of taste. Did Louis leaving really hit you that hard?
Desperate plea for love and attention. I don't think I've really ever hid it
Well, you can't have him. He's mine.
Will you be my Vlade Divac?
Sarmatian
05-09-2013, 22:09
Desperate plea for love and attention. I don't think I've really ever hid it
It was subtler.
Will you be my Vlade Divac?
I can't come up with an equally witty response that doesn't sound gay. I'm getting old.
“German soldiers who raped Dutch women were actually hanged” The ones who raped, looted and burned houses in my village probably got Iron Crosses.
One German guy repudiates the post and he is showered with praise.
Sheeple, the lot of you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEiA80ZL08
“German soldiers who raped Dutch women were actually hanged” The ones who raped, looted and burned houses in my village probably got Iron Crosses.
Well they also have been kinda mean here, as a retaliation for the assasination of a high officer the entire male population of the village Putten was rounded up and adieud to Poland. But that is nothing compared to the hurt that was put on the Polish and the Russians. A lot of the Dutch were nazi's themselves, we hate to hear it but we know it's true, the Dutch weren't just victims of the Germans but collaboraters
Kralizec
05-10-2013, 14:29
The Germans have behaved horribly in Russia, I can kinda understand the Russians acted horrible as well
Kind of a moot point, since they acted beastly in every country they "liberated". Several of those countries were voluntary allies of Germany and thus co-responsible, but Soviet troops didn't go easy on Poland either - despite the fact that a huge number of Poles actually fought alongside the Russians for the liberation of their country.
Also, the original post is a bit off. The Red Army had most of eastern Europe firmly under their boot and continued their rape and beatings for several years after the end of WW2. By the time the Deutsche Demokratische Republik was declared in 1949 they weren't done yet.
HoreTore
05-10-2013, 23:18
Liberation, schmibertion.
May 8th will forever be known as Sir Alex-day now.
He has done more for the world than every soldier in history combined.
"The Red Army had most of eastern Europe firmly under their boot and continued their rape and beatings for several years after the end of WW2" Do you have a documentation about that? I know that Dzilak (sp) did complain to Stalin about the rape in Yugoslavia. The soldiers raped even Russian Female Soldiers... But I never herd of the continuation for years...
Strike For The South
05-11-2013, 04:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEiA80ZL08
You're better than this.
You're better than this.
Yet this is all that's left of your argument. :smug2:
The barbarous Russians decided they were done raping every woman in Eastern Europe and WWII in Europe ended.
Better dead than Red.
It really is a black stain on the victory. Certainly I dislike NAZIs, but the fact we entered a pact with the most depraved people and nation state of the last century is so very sad.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to show me an alternative? They couldn't find one then and even if you could so there to be one now what is the point?
Better dead than Red? Really? I'd call that immature nonsense.
Did the individual women deserve to be raped? No, of course not. Was Stalin a mad bastard with mad bastards working under him? Absolutely. Did Germany as a nation reap what it sowed? Sadly yes, IMO. Did Poland? Not really. They got screwed by both sides (their fate was sealed by Versailles, their own inter-war diplomacy and the weakness of their Western allies). Did the Western allies do some nasty stuff, both authorised and otherwise? Yes they did.
You should check the name of this website before judging.
Hate to bring it up but the Polish and the Russians aren't all that innocent in either the holocaust or the massacre of Germans after WW2
classical_hero
05-13-2013, 04:14
Liberation, schmibertion.
May 8th will forever be known as Sir Alex-day now.
He has done more for the world than every soldier in history combined.
Actually the 8th of May should be remembered 400ppm day.
HoreTore
05-13-2013, 18:59
Actually the 8th of May should be remembered 400ppm day.
No, that doesn't come close to Fergie either.
"What will you remember the most, Alex?"
"All those late goals."
You just can't top that.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 09:17
Hate to bring it up but the Polish and the Russians aren't all that innocent in either the holocaust or the massacre of Germans after WW2
man, i like you, you are neutral!! and just dont HATE like many like many others!!(And that Hate, is just a successful Zionists Propaganda !!)
and....The USA & Britain too!!
They are Smoothy Dictators!! and good pretensed !! they too, Dictated like a conqueror to poor German People!! and didnt let them be themselves until the Communists collapse!! even now!! because the present Germany's Government is a puppet of USA!
and i dot know why from german's peoples taxes, must be given to Israel as an imposition after 70 years !!!!(With no End!!)
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 12:54
Paranoia at work.
Shall we engage or just let it fade away like a stale fart?
Paranoia at work.
Shall we engage or just let it fade away like a stale fart?
I'd be a little paranoid as a Kurd as well, after all they're not liked wherever they live.
Of course I agree that it's over the top, I can just see where he's coming from.
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The USA were very generous to Germany, even if it was for their own ends. They even gave/allowed us a better constitution than their own, it takes a lot of love to do that. ~;)
Calling our government a puppet of the USA is a good joke, by that definition the UK&NI is the 51st state, Poland is the 52nd state and the rest of Europe are also all puppets of the USA. It's more insulting to Europeans than to Americans who will just dream about it being true anyway.
Some of our tax money goes to Israel as reparations for the families whose lives we destroyed 70 years ago and hardly anyone here really has an issue with that, there are more people complaining that our western states still pay for the communists in the east who we bought from communist slavery in 1990 and who keep bitching about how everything was better before 1990 when their part of the country was still in the 1940ies economically.
As for HATE, the most HATE and aggression can be found in Neo-Nazis, who you praised in another thread, you really need to educate yourself on that subject, Medya.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 14:34
I'd be a little paranoid as a Kurd as well, after all they're not liked wherever they live.
Of course I agree that it's over the top, I can just see where he's coming from.
what does this means ?!! are you Turk !?! if yes your name shows everything, and i have no other words with you. if not !! how you can say that to a poor and oppressed people under being genocide & tortures & Killings ?!?!?! whatever i believe , whatever i think does not completely represent my people !!!
because of me you must insult to 55 million Kurds!! KURDs are the most peaceful in the world! proofs are too many things but for a little example, that the ONLY & most peaceful region in all Iraq is the Kurdish Regions !! wherever they go they like them specially Swedish people that Love Kurds & Dislikes Turks & Arabs !! you can go there and ask !! all their sin is that they want freedom and independence !???! being a Freedom Fighter is terrorism ?!!
terrorism is your damn government (Not People) that sent Saddam to chemical bomb the poor kurdish villagers !! terrorism is your lovely USA that supports genocide and killing & Jailing The kurds by the racists !!
i will never forget this insult !! your not German i believe that !! germans dont hate kurds and love Racist turks !!
Rhyfelwyr
05-17-2013, 16:09
what does this means ?!! are you Turk !?!!!
Husar is as far as I know a regular white German. I think you have misunderstood him - he is saying that Kurdish people have it tough because other people/countries don't treat them well.
what does this means ?!!
You should have left it at this question because the rest of your post is based on your wrong assumption that I was mocking you.
Some of your sweeping generalisations about swedes and germans are no better than what you accuse others of. When you say I cannot be a real German because I supposedly don't love Kurds, you're just trying to make the world fit your own narrow stereotypes. And that is exactly why people here don't really believe you. I'm not trying to mock you, I'm trying to help you by telling you that you should try to think about the opinions of others instead of repeating your own view until everybody agrees. Not everybody sees the world though your eyes and not everybody here believes that you know the full truth and what makes you think that you do?
Husar is as far as I know a regular white German. I think you have misunderstood him - he is saying that Kurdish people have it tough because other people/countries don't treat them well.
Yes.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-17-2013, 20:28
what does this means ?!! are you Turk !?! if yes your name shows everything, and i have no other words with you. if not !! how you can say that to a poor and oppressed people under being genocide & tortures & Killings ?!?!?! whatever i believe , whatever i think does not completely represent my people !!!
because of me you must insult to 55 million Kurds!! KURDs are the most peaceful in the world! proofs are too many things but for a little example, that the ONLY & most peaceful region in all Iraq is the Kurdish Regions !! wherever they go they like them specially Swedish people that Love Kurds & Dislikes Turks & Arabs !! you can go there and ask !! all their sin is that they want freedom and independence !???! being a Freedom Fighter is terrorism ?!!
terrorism is your damn government (Not People) that sent Saddam to chemical bomb the poor kurdish villagers !! terrorism is your lovely USA that supports genocide and killing & Jailing The kurds by the racists !!
i will never forget this insult !! your not German i believe that !! germans dont hate kurds and love Racist turks !!
I don't think that any of that is actually U.S. policy (and I do not and never have bought into the elite conspiracy thing -- people aren't that long-sighted). Oh, and your peaceful Kurds apparently were settling their own house in order before their own bid for empire when the migratory turks came along and thumped them. I doubt you have a greater claim to inherent peacefulness than any other people. You are, after all, people.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 22:55
You should have left it at this question because the rest of your post is based on your wrong assumption that I was mocking you.
Some of your sweeping generalisations about swedes and germans are no better than what you accuse others of. When you say I cannot be a real German because I supposedly don't love Kurds, you're just trying to make the world fit your own narrow stereotypes. And that is exactly why people here don't really believe you. I'm not trying to mock you, I'm trying to help you by telling you that you should try to think about the opinions of others instead of repeating your own view until everybody agrees. Not everybody sees the world though your eyes and not everybody here believes that you know the full truth and what makes you think that you do?
Yes.
okay okay......Dear Husar, accept my great excuse! excuse me, my English is not perfect, while i thought you were accepting the hore-tore's ignorant and hatred!! you know, i just misunderstood, so i dont think you should think im crazy or ..... i just have pains that pain that my people suffers and i cant accept ignorance and insult to my Torned Nation! so if you excuse me i can be comfort.
and about what you said, another english friend in here told me too! that there are many cant understan my words because they have never heard of it, so its strange for them and can not accept and think im crazy! or othera that will misunderstand me!
anyway i think i must leave this kind od discussions, but dear Husar, i have a little complain of you, whatever im wrong or right, you too must discussed more to know what i mean, because i may couldnt understand it to you clearly, as its hard to me bring my thought to a perfect English, and to make it short & summary to be placed in a post, that now i think its not right! and i might be right about somethinga! but you too denied immidiately, but politely (note like ignorant & racist hore-tore!)
anyway, accept my friendship & peace!!:-)
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 23:21
"note like ignorant & racist hore-tore!"
When such things comes from an anti-semite who believe the jews(zionists) runs the world in secret, I consider that the highest form of compliment.
Empire*Of*Media
05-17-2013, 23:40
"note like ignorant & racist hore-tore!"
When such things comes from an anti-semite who believe the jews(zionists) runs the world in secret, I consider that the highest form of compliment.
a racist calls the others racist!!! funny!!!!
and add, i love Jews that i have 4 Jewish friends, but always hate racist zionists !!:yes:~:)
HoreTore
05-17-2013, 23:50
a racist calls the others racist!!! funny!!!!
and add, i love Jews that i have 4 Jewish friends, but always hate racist zionists !!:yes:~:)
Spoken like a proper neo-nazi!
Hey, I have a kurdish friend or two, so doesn't that invalidate your statements...?
You believe that the world is run by a Jewish cabal who works silently behind the scenes, being responsible for a number of atrocities. That's racist hate, sorry. Also, I'm intrigued at what I said you considered "racist".... I get why you believe I'm ignorant, that's because I don't believe in the new world order-bullshit, but I can't really figured out what made you think I hate Kurds...
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 00:07
Spoken like a proper neo-nazi!
Hey, I have a kurdish friend or two, so doesn't that invalidate your statements...?
You believe that the world is run by a Jewish cabal who works silently behind the scenes, being responsible for a number of atrocities. That's racist hate, sorry. Also, I'm intrigued at what I said you considered "racist".... I get why you believe I'm ignorant, that's because I don't believe in the new world order-bullshit, but I can't really figured out what made you think I hate Kurds...
look friend i dont want us be enemies! you could discuss not to attack and offend me if you think thats a bad idea!! i told, i was wrong i just told summaries so not many understood !! but doesnt mean to Assault me!! in where you wanted me proofs and i didnt gave?!! you did not want to discuss only to attack & oppress!!
and yes.
in your 52# post in "Irans Nuclear Program" and other, you directly refered and insulted Kurdsand showed your hatred!!
and it doesnt matter you think im neo-Nazi in your thoughts! at All im a Marxist-leninist too!!:laugh4:
that Indian friend too understood you not just me!!
i dont think you discussed only attacked and insulted.
in The End, i dont want to hate you like you do,im just sorry for you ! and im tired of your insults & ignorantism!!
HoreTore
05-18-2013, 00:17
Ah. PKK, eh?
That kind of anti-semitism, then. A belief in a zionist elite running the world in secret is not just opposed to common sense and reality, it is also deeply opposed by marxist-leninism.
I suggest you re-read the manifest and the state and the revolution a few times. The Marxist view of a Zionist elite is that it's a false consciousness(if you're a marxist, you know that term). The world is, and must be, described in terms of class struggle, there is no secret elite running the wold behind the scenes. If it was, if that was the problem, then marxist-leninism would cease to exist, as its basis would have disappeared.
Again: a belief in a secret global elite controlling the world is the highest point of ignorance. Sorry.
And I fail to see how mentioning the fact that Mullah Krekar is a Kurd "shows hatred of Kurdistan". I know you want to go all "no true scotsman" on Ansar al-Islam, but that doesn't negate him being a kurd, fighting for kurds. Quisling was a Norwegian, fighting for Norwegians, even though he was shot by other Norwegians in the end.
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 08:37
Ah. PKK, eh?
That kind of anti-semitism, then. A belief in a zionist elite running the world in secret is not just opposed to common sense and reality, it is also deeply opposed by marxist-leninism.
I suggest you re-read the manifest and the state and the revolution a few times. The Marxist view of a Zionist elite is that it's a false consciousness(if you're a marxist, you know that term). The world is, and must be, described in terms of class struggle, there is no secret elite running the wold behind the scenes. If it was, if that was the problem, then marxist-leninism would cease to exist, as its basis would have disappeared.
Again: a belief in a secret global elite controlling the world is the highest point of ignorance. Sorry.
And I fail to see how mentioning the fact that Mullah Krekar is a Kurd "shows hatred of Kurdistan". I know you want to go all "no true scotsman" on Ansar al-Islam, but that doesn't negate him being a kurd, fighting for kurds. Quisling was a Norwegian, fighting for Norwegians, even though he was shot by other Norwegians in the end.
OFFFFFFFF! Hore that was a joke i answered that you told me neo-nazi, and i said it doesnt matter if its like this at your eyes, at all im .........!!! im not Leninist-Marxist!!! damn them and their archaic beliefs! and PKK are freedom fighter and no one says they are communist except Turks!! they are Nationalistic and somehow Socialist not being a communist!! and they showed recently that having weapons was not a selection but an obligations, and if one step goes for peacful democracy, they lay down their arm away very peacefully !!
and you see, again you want to criticize Kurds!! if you want to hate them, hate them, but tell you once & for all,Mula fucking Krekar does not represent Kurds, he is led by Al-Qaeda, and its not welcomed in Kurdistan even by Religious persons!! for another example, SALAADIN, was a Kurd too unfortunately, but Kurdish was not importan for him, he only fought for ISLAM not KURDISH rights or independence, so he too can not represent Kurdish people!! all their ways are splited & different and that islam made it like this not kurds themselves!! Kurdish Islam is totaly different with any other Islams, despite im not muslim and islam doesnt encourage peace , but the Kurdish Islam, is smooth and peaceful, Prof. Gunther Dechner(i may spelled wrong) in the book "Kurds without an state" says that too that Kurds are much different with any other Islamic nations, they are very relaxed within themselves (Men & Women), in weddings, men & Women take each others hands and dance, in work they work with each other, and for parties they forget all the things and are with each other, and i have never heard kurds have stoned or persecuted anyone because of anything!" and thats because Kurds were brutally and forcibly converted to Islam !!
you know, Kurds in the region, were changed, the Britains New Middle east they created in 1920, and the revolts & uprisings against them, despite Kurds demanded a Kurdish Autonomous(not even independence!!)region, and the USA & Britain & Turks denied it, and british suppressed kurds and bombed Kurdistan, Kurds somehow disappointed and you know, Kurds were alone, not because they were hatred, because they were hatred by turkey-iraq-syria-iran fo that the Kurds wanted independence, and turks & Arabs Persians did not want to split our soil from them because their benefits were in danger!! and after that, many other revolts were organised that were all suppressed!! but specially in times of SADDAM HUSSAIN, from being chemicaled & killed & Tortured & Genocided & Jailed & Family Misses & ..........., and the UN and Europe was silent too because of their Imperialistic Matters, they even helped Saddam, so in this times people seek a help from god, and there they will again look what for example Kuran says, people in this time of imploration think god has punished them because they made sins!! and they started to limit women very tight, and be against whoever say against Religious persons & beliefs & Islamic.so the culture significantly changed!! we see, we have not someone like Krekar In Kurdistan of Iran or turkey or Syria! you know, if you research more and in detail about the anfal or genocide of Kurds in Halabja, you see more terrifying and much more horrible than Holocust!! Holocus is widely supported and financialed by rich jews & Zionists, but the genocide of kurds only recently sweden & UK accepted it as a genocide after 30 years!!! Despite all of those misfortunes, Kurds never turned to Islamic terrorism or islamic government!! like we see inverse in Arabs & Persians & Turks!! the example is syria & Islamic republic of Iran!! but we have not such an examples in our homeland!!
you see ! dont judge immediately & easily and superficialy!! because Kurds are very unknown to the world!!
i want you to open your eyes about kurds (leave the Zionists or conspiracy discuss) and to not just speak with bigotry and misunderstoods!!
and honesly HoreTore, if you again repeat those false thoughts, me and many will think about you otherwise!! and we will have no complete discussion.
in the end i say only three words that all goodness & peace will be gathered in it !!
!! Good Words - Good Deeds - Good Thoughts (Zoroaster - Zarathushtra)!!
a completely inoffensive name
05-18-2013, 09:00
If I had a penny for every word I read from the above post, I would have 5 pennies.
Sarmatian
05-18-2013, 14:07
Again: a belief in a secret global elite controlling the world is the highest point of ignorance. Sorry.
... and that's exactly what the squirrels WANT you to think.
Am I the only one who read Nietzsche, along came zarathustra, it's an ancient god of the persians you peasants
Sarmatian
05-18-2013, 18:21
Nah, I'm waiting for the movie to come out...
I screwed up by the way, in English it's Thus spoke Zarathustra
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 20:42
... and that's exactly what the squirrels WANT you to think.
what do you mean by squirrels?!!!!!
Am I the only one who read Nietzsche, along came zarathustra, it's an ancient god of the persians you peasants
im confused, what is the connection of Nietsche's Zarathushtra and a Persian god with freemasons ?!!!!!!
It's basicly the framework of the nazi-ideoligy. And before anyone says anything, no
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(boek)
Screwed up again, english one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_Zarathustra
Sarmatian
05-18-2013, 21:18
what do you mean by squirrels?!!!!!
im confused, what is the connection of Nietsche's Zarathushtra and a Persian god with freemasons ?!!!!!!
Squirrels are the true power behind the throne. They look innocent and happy when they jump from tree to tree and eat nuts but they can not fool a keen eye. They control Jews, templars, freemasons, illuminati and Oprah.
Pretty soon they will reveal themselves. Some believe the octosquids will rule the world some day, but they are just agents of the squirrels, a common mistake. No one can oppose them. It's big, it's bigger than barbecue on a saturday and cake for birthday. It goes so deep it comes out on the other end...
We're all doomed.
... I'm just kidding, don't take it seriously. Conspiracy theories don't work well here...
"Squirrels are the true power behind the throne": The Red Squirrels or the Grey Squirrels?
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 21:51
Squirrels are the true power behind the throne. They look innocent and happy when they jump from tree to tree and eat nuts but they can not fool a keen eye. They control Jews, templars, freemasons, illuminati and Oprah.
Pretty soon they will reveal themselves. Some believe the octosquids will rule the world some day, but they are just agents of the squirrels, a common mistake. No one can oppose them. It's big, it's bigger than barbecue on a saturday and cake for birthday. It goes so deep it comes out on the other end...
We're all doomed.
... I'm just kidding, don't take it seriously. Conspiracy theories don't work well here...
whats these nonsense!! you say this and you think have denied them with funny mockeries!!?
i can bring proof, not denying or mockering!
any way, it doesnt matter! just please dont mocker peoples discuss about a thing!!
Sarmatian
05-18-2013, 21:55
"Squirrels are the true power behind the throne": The Red Squirrels or the Grey Squirrels?
Grey. Red are communist squirrels. They share their nuts.
Empire*Of*Media
05-18-2013, 22:36
if they knight templars or Fremasons (plus Zionists)would be that simple that be showed and known to you clearly, their name would not be FREEMASON!! i said, they do anything with secrecy, they WERE order, now they are superpowers!! their order is not like a simple order, in fact it was, but they decided to change the world and end the religions and unificate all humen under one banner, one culture, and one beliefe!!
we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.
we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!
how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!
Global rise of the nation-state, most obvious in Africa these borders don't make sense at all
“Red are communist squirrels. They share their nuts” Ah ah, they are fooling you. It is what they want you to believe… It is not the Red of the Revolution; it is the Red Coat of the Gentry, the Red of the Fox Hunters (on horseback). The Greys are just their lackeys who think they are the masters. They are the open-proletariat of the Reds thinking that in sharing or adopting their masters ‘ideology they are the masters when in fact they are just willing slaves enchained in stronger chains than the ones made in iron, in their mind they forge their own.
Sarmatian
05-19-2013, 12:44
“Red are communist squirrels. They share their nuts” Ah ah, they are fooling you. It is what they want you to believe… It is not the Red of the Revolution; it is the Red Coat of the Gentry, the Red of the Fox Hunters (on horseback). The Greys are just their lackeys who think they are the masters. They are the open-proletariat of the Reds thinking that in sharing or adopting their masters ‘ideology they are the masters when in fact they are just willing slaves enchained in stronger chains than the ones made in iron, in their mind they forge their own.
OMG, this is even bigger than I thought.
OMG, this is even bigger than I thought.
Can I have it I like cashews
Greyblades
05-19-2013, 22:26
Leaving was a mistake.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-19-2013, 22:27
Squirrels are the true power behind the throne. They look innocent and happy when they jump from tree to tree and eat nuts but they can not fool a keen eye. They control Jews, templars, freemasons, illuminati and Oprah.
Pretty soon they will reveal themselves. Some believe the octosquids will rule the world some day, but they are just agents of the squirrels, a common mistake. No one can oppose them. It's big, it's bigger than barbecue on a saturday and cake for birthday. It goes so deep it comes out on the other end...
We're all doomed.
... I'm just kidding, don't take it seriously. Conspiracy theories don't work well here...
Oprah! The cunning...the subtlety...I am in awe.
Rhyfelwyr
05-20-2013, 00:02
Leaving was a mistake.
We've come back but it hasn't done them any favours.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-20-2013, 00:05
Grey. Red are communist squirrels. They share their nuts.
Don't be silly - they're read because they're English, so they have Red Coats.
Sadly, they are no match for the Industial Might of the Americans.
HopAlongBunny
05-20-2013, 00:12
Global rise of the nation-state, most obvious in Africa these borders don't make sense at all
Nation-states are passe anyhow; what was once an efficient model for the extraction of value is now obsolete.
Squirrels know no borders, true internationalists squirrels o'er leap mere borders and find their delight everywhere!
Globalization is the death-knell of 'isms, 'ites, 'iadians; glory in your new found vistas Ye proletariat's! The new international has arrived!!!
Greyblades
05-20-2013, 00:49
We've come back but it hasn't done them any favours.
That's because we've been too-SQUIRREL!
...squeemish about it. We should have integrated them full rights under the law etc, instead we stuck down borders and left them to kill eachother.
Rhyfelwyr
05-20-2013, 14:23
That's because we've been too-SQUIRREL!
...squeemish about it. We should have integrated them full rights under the law etc, instead we stuck down borders and left them to kill eachother.
That approach never goes smoothly, look at French Algeria.
Greyblades
05-20-2013, 14:58
That approach never goes smoothly, look at French Algeria.
No approach goes smoothly, ever.
Giving them independance didnt go smoothly either, it's just that it wasnt us who took the strain, we just up and left the mess for someone else to sort out. Had we stayed, I think we could have made something out of it. All I hear out of this free africa is war, disease, famine, and that almost everyone who means to do good in africa dont have the power to do anything beyond token efforts.
I wouldn't call Algeria a transition, the French army is notoriously brutal, always has been.
Rhyfelwyr
05-20-2013, 16:44
No approach goes smoothly, ever.
Giving them independance didnt go smoothly either, it's just that it wasnt us who took the strain, we just up and left the mess for someone else to sort out. Had we stayed, I think we could have made something out of it. All I hear out of this free africa is war, disease, famine, and that almost everyone who means to do good in africa dont have the power to do anything beyond token efforts.
In other words, the very same conditions that existed during occupation.
The only time we find them relatively absent is prior to European involvement.
I wouldn't call Algeria a transition, the French army is notoriously brutal, always has been.
And yet France has one of the better records in terms of its colonial exploits. If they couldn't do what Greyblades is suggesting, I doubt any other colonial power could.
Conradus
05-20-2013, 17:04
In other words, the very same conditions that existed during occupation.
The only time we find them relatively absent is prior to European involvement.
I think you'll find that's very relative. We don't have a lot of sources for that period, but those we have don't paint that lovely a picture either.
Greyblades
05-20-2013, 18:14
In other words, the very same conditions that existed during occupation.
The only time we find them relatively absent is prior to European involvement.
I disagree. I seriously think it unlikely that continued european involvement could have produced the same level of problems that africa has and is facing. The European governments would be better equipped to stop race relations from producing genocide like in rwanda, european governments would not take food medicine and money from charities and give it to the men fighting civil wars.
HoreTore
05-20-2013, 19:30
I disagree. I seriously think it unlikely that continued european involvement could have produced the same level of problems that africa has and is facing. The European governments would be better equipped to stop race relations from producing genocide like in rwanda, european governments would not take food medicine and money from charities and give it to the men fighting civil wars.
What are these major "African problems" you're talking about?
There are some black spots left, but on the whole the african region is looking positive. 7 of the 10 fastest growing economies are in Africa, things are far from being a hell-hole.
Sarmatian
05-20-2013, 20:45
I disagree. I seriously think it unlikely that continued european involvement could have produced the same level of problems that africa has and is facing. The European governments would be better equipped to stop race relations from producing genocide like in rwanda, european governments would not take food medicine and money from charities and give it to the men fighting civil wars.
Except that genocide in Rwanda was influenced by policies of European governments.
Greyblades
05-20-2013, 21:23
Except that genocide in Rwanda was influenced by policies of European governments. I did not know that, please explain. Also please explain how it refutes what I've been saying.
What are these major "African problems" you're talking about?
The ones that have happened over the last 60 or so years of course.
There are some black spots left, but on the whole the african region is looking positive. 7 of the 10 fastest growing economies are in Africa, things are far from being a hellhole
Fastest growing doesn't mean much if they're still the smallest. Not to mention the rest of the world is in a recession. Yes, The whole region is getting better, but if we had stayed I do believed it would have bettered a lot quicker.
HoreTore
05-20-2013, 21:49
I did not know that, please explain. Also please explain how it refutes what I've been saying.
I can't help you with the refuting part, but I can help you with the "why it's europe again"-part:
Rwanda was, like most non-French colonies, ruled through proxy. And the way they did that was again the standard way of doing it in Africa: buy the dominant tribe(s) and let them keep the others in line. That was a problem in Rwanda, however, since it didn't really have a dominant people or tribe. How did the Belgians and Germans solve that puzzle? They simply invented a ruling race, the Tutsi.
The Tutsi/Hutu divide was much closer to a social class divide than any racial or tribal divide prior to European involvement, with the majority Hutu being farmers and the minority Tutsi being pastorals. As is common, the pastoral lifestyle made the Tutsi the dominant warriors, and thus made the ideal puppets for the colonial masters. In the interwar years, Belgium took a lot more interest in its colony. With racial science being all the rage in Europe, it was soon introduced in Rwanda as well, and they classed Hutu and Tutsi as different races instead of classes, complete with identity cards with racial markings. Where before you could be born a Hutu and die a Tutsi, you were now born a Hutu and died and Hutu.
With the Tutsi being both in charge and in the minority, what we now have is a situation where the majority is both oppressed and given no chance to advance in society. If that's not a powder keg destined to blow up, I don't know what is.
The ones that have happened over the last 60 or so years of course.
Fastest growing doesn't mean much if they're still the smallest. Not to mention the rest of the world is in a recession. Yes, The whole region is getting better, but if we had stayed I do believed it would have bettered a lot quicker.
Most of the mistakes over the past years can be attributed to mistakes done by emerging governments, I'd say. Also, I do believe you're underestimating the African yearning for independence: I don't see how 20 more years of European rule would've done much more than creating 20 more years of guerrilla warfare. Have a look at Zimbabwe to see how much fun you'll have after a long and brutal guerrilla war.
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