View Full Version : HOTSEAT - Sword and Cross
Nightbringer
08-28-2013, 20:01
Welcome to Sword and Cross!
A game of holy war and papal favor.
Game Settings
Stainless Steel 6.4
Late Era
Gracul ai
Disable real recruitment
VH/VH difficulty
Auto-resolve battles only
Only catholic factions may be selected for play, and the Kingdom of Jerusalem/Crusader States and Principality of Antioch are not eligible for selection.
Players:
LooseCannon1 - Norway
Points =
TheCeLL - France
Points =
Nightbringer - Poland
Points = 4
Myth - Holy Roman Empire
Points = -6
Rules
Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn (not counting weekends). After that the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed.
Do not bypass or ignore zones of control to lift a siege (or in any other way).
Do not attack ships in ports.
Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.
Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.
Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)
No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them. (Surround&Destroy)
Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)
Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.
Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points
Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.
Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.
Assassins are allowed to target anyone but the players are limited to one assassination attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else. Upon a successful assassination the game admin can load that player's save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.
Spies are not allowed to open anything.
ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.
No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.
No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins.
New/game specific rules
Players may not engage in any kind of diplomacy with the Papal States.
Players may not request for the Pope to call crusades on any non-player factions (to prevent burning the crusade timer then getting excommunicated).
The game's winner is based on a point system.
The first player to reach 50 points wins the game.
(If multiple conditions apply, points do not stack, simply take points from highest category.)
(Points can only be scored for any single settlement by any single player once every 10 turns [meaning gifting settlement's back and forth, or to the ai for recapture, will not allow multiple scoring])
Capturing the target of a crusade is worth 10 points.
Capturing settlements owned by the target of a crusade are worth 5 points.
Capturing settlements owned by any excommunicated faction are worth 3 points.
Capturing settlements owned by a Muslim faction in mainland Europe are worth 3 points.
Capturing settlements owned by Lithuania are worth 2 points.
Capturing settlements owned by any faction at war with the pope are worth 2 points.
Capturing settlements owned by a Muslim faction not at war with the Pope are worth -1 points.
Capturing settlements owned by a Orthodox faction not at war with the Pope are worth -2 points.
Capturing settlements owned by a Catholic faction not at war with the Pope are worth -3 points.
Special Rule: Call for Crusade
Can only be done if at least 2 non-excommunicated players exist.
Any non-excommunicated player may attempt to call a crusade at the start of a turn cycle.
They select a single province owned by any faction (except non-excommunicated Catholics) to be the target of the crusade.
If done, all non-excommunicated players get single vote that must be made during that turn cycle.
If a majority (over half) of players vote that the crusade is just, then the following additional conditions apply.
-Capturing the target of this crusade is worth 8 points.
-Capturing other settlements owned by the target of this crusade is worth 4 points.
Excommunicated Crusade
Works exactly the same as the above call for crusade, except that all instances of excommunicated/non-excommunicated are switched. (the heresy has spread far enough that it has become a schism in the church, with zealots on both sides.
Nightbringer
08-28-2013, 20:03
All right everyone, make your faction selections and let me know if you have any problems getting the mod up and running.
LooseCannon1
08-29-2013, 01:42
I'll take the Kingdom of Jerusalem. :furious3: that is so unfair~:mecry: I wanted to make the sands red with heathen blood. Guess I'll have to do it in the snow instead.:norway: viking power:viking:
And for those who have not seen Dr. Sheldon Cooper's Fun with Flags-that's Norway
I have to get KGCM to work and check the starting positions, but I'm torn between Spain, France and the HRE.
BTW I'm going for a second full week vacation so I'll return on the 9th :2thumbsup:
Darth Feather
09-01-2013, 17:16
I'll probably go for Sicily.
:cherokeenation: (because I couldn't find the sicilian flag )
Any nice beginner factions? This would be my first time playing hotseat :sweatdrop:
Nightbringer
09-02-2013, 17:38
Any nice beginner factions? This would be my first time playing hotseat :sweatdrop:
England would probably be a good beginner faction, but would have a hard time getting to non-Christian targets. Sicily would also be pretty good, but is already taken. France could also be a pretty easy pick.
Oh, and I'm going to be taking Poland!
I guess I'll take france, they're location is more convenient when a crusade is called on jerusalem or something ^_^ :france:
HRE for me if we are using SS, England if it's KGCM :)
I'll be going for the Crown of Castille if we do use Stainless Steel. I'll do a little experimenting to see if I can get KGCM up and running. My pick on that account shall have to wait 'till then.
Nightbringer bud if you're busy atm want me to set it up so we can get going?
rickinator9
09-23-2013, 23:18
What good beginner spots are still open?
Nightbringer
09-24-2013, 08:03
Myth, I would really appreciate that man, thanks! I'm a bit scatterbrained right now but things should settle down soon enough. (deadline is Oct 4)
I hope I can do that, but my GF is coming over tonight and I'm spending time with her until Sunday. Then, next week I have a lot of business trips (at least 2) so we'll see if I can squeeze out some PC time for myself.
Nightbringer
10-31-2013, 22:02
Hey everyone, sorry on the long time getting this started, but if you are still interested in playing, please drop by and we can actually get things started!
I believe we have decided on using SS 6.3, and the following faction selections.
LooseCannon1 Norway
Darth Feather Sicily
TheCeLL France
Nightbringer Poland
Myth England
Sarkly Castille
I can't get KGCM to work. Mind if we do this in SS? I'd be the HRE then.
The latest version of Stainless Steel (the one I have) is 6.4 . Is there any reason why we are using a previous version?
Darth Feather
10-31-2013, 22:50
I'll try to get SS working once again. I have never played as sicily in SS though. Are they any good?
Nightbringer
10-31-2013, 22:59
oops. yes, i meant 6.4 :P
Nightbringer
11-03-2013, 00:09
LooseCannon1, are you still in? And maybe SilverShield is interested?
I'll need to hear from you soon Sarkly or I'll have to assume you have moved on. :)
LooseCannon1
11-03-2013, 16:29
I'm ready to start whenever you are NB
Nightbringer
11-03-2013, 19:46
Okay, I'll create the game tonight with us 5 as players!
Cool! I'll be re-reading that hotseat tutorial soon ;)
Nightbringer
11-04-2013, 05:46
Alright, sicily is the first player darth FEater
And remember our weird new rules set everyone, and good luck!
Thanks for starting thsi NB :2thumbsup:
SilverShield
11-04-2013, 23:50
aw guess thats just too much mirco ruling for me and im not really into the whole crusade mechanism. let me know tho if the whole concept works out fine
Darth Feather
11-05-2013, 17:23
Alright, sicily is the first player darth FEater
And remember our weird new rules set everyone, and good luck!
Oops the notification didn't work. `
Here is the next one up TheCeLL
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10502
Alrighty! I've finished my turn as France.
It's England's turn now.
P.S. I read up the thingie about where to upload ... that particular place on the forum doesn't let me upload directly there, so I just made it an attachment. I hope its okay.
Myth 11209
I can't get KGCM to work. Mind if we do this in SS? I'd be the HRE then.
Erm I'm supposed to be playing the HRE if we are using SS? Nightbringer
Nightbringer
11-07-2013, 00:39
Erm I'm supposed to be playing the HRE if we are using SS? Nightbringer
oops, read that backwords, will fix :)
Nightbringer
11-07-2013, 00:47
Norway up LooseCannon1
and the england/hre thing has been fixed.
LooseCannon1
11-08-2013, 12:51
Norway up LooseCannon1
and the england/hre thing has been fixed.
Found the save. Will have this done tonight.
LooseCannon1
11-09-2013, 00:10
Slight problem-the game has been set to autoresolve all battles. Was this intended? https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10505 Myth Nightbringer
Nightbringer
11-09-2013, 10:06
I believe we had decided to do autoresolve only on all battles, but if people want to modify this it would be good to do so at this early point.
We could do
1. autoresolve only
2. autoresolve against humans, but fought battles against ai
3. fought battles against all
Personally, I would like to try autoresolve only against all, especially since I think it would help level out the different experience levels a little, but I am fine with switching if people want to.
If we do fought battles against all, wouldn't that give the aggressor a distinct advantage?
Darth Feather
11-09-2013, 18:42
I can't fight any battles. If I do my game does "funny stuff" (making everything chromed, pitchblack and impossible to controll anything)
So if it is in SS fought battles, I am out.
LooseCannon1
11-10-2013, 14:29
If we do fought battles against all, wouldn't that give the aggressor a distinct advantage?
It gives the human player the advantage because the AI will never use your army properly in a battle. And it's worse than when the AI controls an AI faction army.
I'm ok with staying all autoresolve. Also, which CAI are we using? Gracul or Savage? I didn't see that mentioned with our change to SS from KGCM. I played the first turn with Savage.
Nightbringer
11-10-2013, 16:30
thanks for bringing that up loosecannon1. Your stainless steel settings should be savage ai, disable real recruitment, and nothing else.
Let's do forced AR. It takes a different kind of skill to estimate what forces to bring to be able to take a settlement without embarrassing losses.
Nightbringer
11-11-2013, 17:33
sounds like forced AR is ok then :)
I believe it is on your turn Myth
Just to be clear - Lithuania gives points right off the bat, and so do the Moors since they are present on the continent of Europe?
Also, a settlement can only give points once for it's capture per 10 turns (to prevent gifting/abandoning the settlement to the AI to then retake it)
Also, please settle the conflicting rules about how many points capturing the target a crusade gives.
Also, what happens when war is declared on an Catholic, or when Catholic armies are destroyed? Do they affect anything other than one's Papal standing and thus the risk of excommunication?
Also, what happens if an AI faction attacks a human player but is not excommunicated?
Sicilly up by the way. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10507) Darth Feather
"We, the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire, Frederick Karling, extend our hand in friendship to all true Christians and Catholics of Europe."
Darth Feather
11-11-2013, 21:27
Also, what happens if an AI faction attacks a human player but is not excommunicated?
Do as a good catholic would: give them the other cheek.
I will not be able to play this turn before tomorrow evening though.
Nightbringer
11-11-2013, 21:39
Just to be clear - Lithuania gives points right off the bat, and so do the Moors since they are present on the continent of Europe?
Also, a settlement can only give points once for it's capture per 10 turns (to prevent gifting/abandoning the settlement to the AI to then retake it)
Also, please settle the conflicting rules about how many points capturing the target a crusade gives.
Also, what happens when war is declared on an Catholic, or when Catholic armies are destroyed? Do they affect anything other than one's Papal standing and thus the risk of excommunication?
Also, what happens if an AI faction attacks a human player but is not excommunicated?
Sicilly up by the way. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10507) Darth Feather
"We, the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire, Frederick Karling, extend our hand in friendship to all true Christians and Catholics of Europe."
Yes, moorish settlements to give points right off the bat (the one's in Iberia that is). It is the reconquista after all.
Yes, one capture per 10 turns is a good idea.
Player declared crusades provide a little less in terms of points than papal one's do.
Declaring war on a catholic and destroying their armies caries no penalty except risk of excommunication by the pope.
If the ai attacks you, you can just fend off their armies with no consequence, but you will still suffer penalties for taking their settlements unless they get excommunicated or the like.
Yes, I think it is fair for the moorish settlements to give points right off the bat (the one's in Iberia that is). It is the reconquista after all.
Do as a good catholic would: give them the other cheek.
I will not be able to play this turn before tomorrow evening though.
I'm more of an "Assassinate their general and take their city in one turn with a trebuchet" kinda guy.
Darth Feather
11-13-2013, 22:12
I'm more of an "Assassinate their general and take their city in one turn with a trebuchet" kinda guy.
Assasswhatwho? That is something a good Christian would never do. Repent you sins !!:laugh4:
TheCeLL https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10509 France is up
Alrighty then. Poland, you're up next!
Nightbringer
Once again, I don't know how to upload to links, so mine is still an attachment.
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Enjoy!
Nightbringer
11-14-2013, 06:30
Norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10510
And don't worry, attachments are just fine TheCeLL, but if you want to upload them to the site go to the downloads tab at the top of the page, select PBM save game files, and click the upload button on the upper left. :)
LooseCannon1
11-15-2013, 23:36
HRE up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10511 Myth
Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10514) Darth Feather
Darth Feather
11-22-2013, 17:46
The French are up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10515) again
TheCeLL
Nightbringer poland is next again.
May the autoresolve be ever in your favor ^^
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Nightbringer
11-23-2013, 21:25
norway up! LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10517
LooseCannon1
11-26-2013, 01:54
HRE up! https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10518 Myth Actually, played this one before CoG3 but uplinks didn't work for me earlier.
Nightbringer
12-01-2013, 18:40
Myth?
Sicilly (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10521) Darth Feather
The Pope approached me with an offer for trade and map info. I refused (it's in the rules right?)
Nightbringer
12-03-2013, 00:40
correct :)
Nightbringer
12-05-2013, 22:15
Darth Feather?
Darth Feather
12-05-2013, 23:00
Sorry, tomorrow morning acces to my computer will be restored. I will have played it before 12:00 AM GMT+1
Darth Feather
12-06-2013, 10:21
TheCeLL https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10523 France up
I tried to fight a random rebel army in the countryside. I lost. Good start for me huh :P
Nightbringer poland up 11383
Nightbringer
12-07-2013, 20:10
Hey, its easy to have happen with autoresolve :)
Norway up LooseCannon1 !
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10524
LooseCannon1
12-09-2013, 23:53
HRE up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10526) Myth
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10528) Darth Feather
The Holy Roman Empire has deemed it necessary that we take to some local Italian and Danish lords the news of their change of liege. These localized conflicts shall not translate into full-scale war against fellow Catholics, we assure the other rules of Europe.
Darth Feather
12-12-2013, 18:41
TheCeLL
France is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10530)
To the Holy roman imperator:
We, the king of Sicily think trade might be profitable for both our great nations. That's why we will send an emmisary over the next half year. He is heading for Bologna. We would request you to accept this mutually beneficial deal.
Nightbringer
12-16-2013, 21:14
Norway up! LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10531
also, I captured Hrodna, a Lithuanian settlement for 2 points.
I've updated the first post to include point total for each player. Please announce if you gain points in thread when you post the next turn so I can keep things up to date :)
Nightbringer
12-16-2013, 21:17
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10528) Darth Feather
The Holy Roman Empire has deemed it necessary that we take to some local Italian and Danish lords the news of their change of liege. These localized conflicts shall not translate into full-scale war against fellow Catholics, we assure the other rules of Europe.
[Are those rebels settlements you captured, or are you taking some points loses?]
The Polish King understands that such things must occur from time to time, but wishes it to be clear that he shall not stand idle if these localized conflicts show any sign of spreading into his own lands. Italian and Danish lords may be easily swayed, but Polish ones will remain true to their King.
Haven't captured them yet, just besieged. Also, the Polish King has nothing to fear.
LooseCannon1
12-18-2013, 00:49
Just saw the save notice. Will have it up about 24 hours from now.
Hello guys, I'm actually leaving for Florida on vacation for 10 days on Friday so I will probably be inactive.
If you are thinking of a replacement, send a PM or tell him to send a PM and I can give him my passcode if necessary
LooseCannon1
12-19-2013, 13:00
HRE up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10533) Myth
TheCeLLAnother tourist coming here to clog up our highways?? Bah, Humbug!:laugh4: Have a safe trip and remember to tell any sub what your plans were for the next turn (or he may just "end turn" you).
sicilly up Darth Feather
I took one city from Denmark.
Darth Feather
12-21-2013, 19:51
Could it be your link is not working?
EDIT: never mind, found it.
EDIT 2: TheCeLL : France up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10537
Hello peoplez! THis is the Sword and Cross hotseats for theCeLL. If anything goes wrong blame him. By the way theCeLL is an idiot and will probably be an easy target for you guys. Poland is apparently next so im supposed to alarm that guy who is nightbringer or something...
Nightbringer
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Nightbringer
12-30-2013, 18:16
oh no, you broke the whole game TheCeLL... :no:
Lets see if LooseCannon1 can manage to keep going given the circumstances.
Norway up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10539
Also, Mensk captured for 2 points.
LooseCannon1
01-04-2014, 13:40
HRE up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10542) Myth
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10543) Darth Feather
I can't remember if I actually turned someone's trade proposition down. If so, it was not my intent. Sure, perhaps some bargaining, but not turning it down.
NB, can you please explain the crusade mechanics? We basically roleplay it out but don't call an in-game crusade? Or we do? Who does the actual calling of it? Thanks.
Nightbringer
01-08-2014, 03:33
Special Rule: Call for Crusade
Can only be done if at least 2 non-excommunicated players exist.
Any non-excommunicated player may attempt to call a crusade at the start of a turn cycle.
They select a single province owned by any faction (except non-excommunicated Catholics) to be the target of the crusade.
If done, all non-excommunicated players get single vote that must be made during that turn cycle.
If a majority (over half) of players vote that the crusade is just, then the following additional conditions apply.
-Capturing the target of this crusade is worth 8 points.
-Capturing other settlements owned by the target of this crusade is worth 4 points.
Anyone may attempt to call it by posting in the thread when it is their turn. No in game crusade is actually called. Instead, you role play it out (or whatever) to try to get more than half of the players in the game to vote for the crusade to start. If more than half of the non-excommunicated players vote for it by the time it is your turn again then the crusade has begun. No in game crusade is actually called, it simply changes the points awarded for the settlements in question as described in the rules. Does that make sense?
Darth Feather
01-08-2014, 10:02
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10543) Darth Feather
I can't remember if I actually turned someone's trade proposition down. If so, it was not my intent. Sure, perhaps some bargaining, but not turning it down.
NB, can you please explain the crusade mechanics? We basically roleplay it out but don't call an in-game crusade? Or we do? Who does the actual calling of it? Thanks.
I have an exam tomorrow, so probably tomorrow evening :)
Good luck with your exam Darth!
Ah, yes NB it does make sense. But I thought the whole point of playing Catholics only is to use the actual Crusade mechanic. We even had rules to circumvent crusade mechanic cooldown abuse. Because if we aren't going to use the actual mechanic, Orthodox christian factions are fair game then.
Nightbringer
01-08-2014, 23:07
We are also using the crusade mechanics. You can ask the pope to declare a crusade on a player in game at any time. This other non in game crusade thing is separate. So there are two different types of potential crusades. roleplay based ones that just change points awarded, and in game ones that can only be called against players, or if the pope just calls one on his own.
Aww, so if that happens we can't take advantage of increased speed and crusader mercenaries :/
EDIT: Wait, so if we can't call an ingame crusade, do we have to ask military access to every country that we need to go through lest our relations start plummetting?
Hm. So long as you don't get yourself excommunicated, you don't need to worry. The Pope will call a crusade on Cordoba or Jerusalem soon(ish). Since we can't bribe him I don't think he will pay attention to what we say to him anyway, unless someone plays like a mr. goody two shoes and kills pagans from turn one. *glares at Poland*
Darth Feather
01-09-2014, 18:13
TheCeLL
France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10544
Also, I hate the fact we can't attack catholics. It is just a pain to keep my finances in check without catholic conquest. :furious3:
Of course you can. I attacked Denmark and Genoa.
Nightbringer
01-10-2014, 06:00
yep, you will lose a little bit of points for it, and must be careful to not get excommunicated, but it will probably be worth the points loss to boost up your economy.
Also, if people feel the -3 is too restrictive, I'm opening to lowering it to -2 or something like that.
11760Poland is up next! Nightbringer
Nightbringer
01-11-2014, 00:44
norway up LooseCannon1 !
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10545
LooseCannon1
01-12-2014, 18:14
Yes indeed, I'm climbing the Faction Rankings list. Passed Lithuania liked they were getting whupped by somebody:laugh4: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10547 Myth, you're up
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10550) Darth Feather
Darth Feather
01-30-2014, 17:41
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10550) Darth Feather
Sorry, RL is treating me badly. I will be able to play it tomorrow. (Now I have a :daisy:ton of work to do)
Nightbringer
01-30-2014, 21:47
you all flatter me too much :)
Nightbringer
02-07-2014, 17:06
Darth Feather?
Darth Feather
02-08-2014, 17:26
Forgot to post it :wall:
TheCeLL After much delay: here's the Frenchhttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10554
Oh crap! I almost forgot I was even in a hotseat xD I don't think I can play today but I'll do my turn by tomorrow definitely.
Still haven't expanded much my kingdom :/
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Nightbringer
02-14-2014, 20:41
Should be able to get to my turn tomorrow.
Nightbringer
02-15-2014, 22:23
Norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10558
LooseCannon1
02-19-2014, 00:29
HRE up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10559) Myth
Nightbringer
03-03-2014, 02:37
Myth?
LooseCannon1 I can't load the save. I get the loading bar and get returned back to the main menu. Can you check if it works for you?
LooseCannon1
03-04-2014, 01:10
I can't load the save. I get the loading bar and get returned back to the main menu. Can you check if it works for you?
MythTried and loaded the copy on my computer. Then downloaded, installed the posted file (changed file name to avoid duplicate), and tried it and that one also loaded properly. Tried changing to Gracul AI and it still loads fine for me. Did you play CoG before trying this one? Did you try deleting the file and re-downloading it? The kind of crash you had often occurs when something is missing from a corrupt download. Nightbringer, can you try it and see what happens? Anybody else can try it too. You won't be able to open the save but it should load properly TheCeLL Darth Feather
Nightbringer
03-04-2014, 04:36
sounds like you are trying to load a file that doesn't match your game files. Would your game files have changed for any reason? The corrupted download thing also makes sense, so maybe try redownloading.
I'll try downloading to see what happens.
save works no problem for me.
No wait guys, my bad. I had tried to open it with vanilla, for some reason I mixed up S&C with the other game we had which was using vanilla M2TW. I'll do this tonight.
Nightbringer
03-04-2014, 10:31
haha, no problem :)
In an effort to restore some of the glory of Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire, the Kaiser has stormed and taken the capital of the Merchant Republic of Venice. The city was found sorely lacking in infrastructure. It appears that the patrician families cared naught for this strategic port and important beacon of Christendom. His Majesty shall be sending wealth and craftsmen to begin the restoration of Venice to its former glory.
Now that we control a port in the Adriatic see, we can finally begin preparations for a Holy Crusade. Thus, we wish to propose to the gathering of worthy Catholics here, that we go under the banner of our lord Jesus Christ and oust the heathen Seljuks from Anatolia. They threaten the Eastern Roman Empire and commit vile acts and atrocities against peaceful Christian pilgrims. The armies of Catholic Europe must march and cleanse this land. The newly conquered territories can be assigned to a King of Anatolia, whom we shall elect from the noblemen who lead armies in this conflict. Alternatively, they can be returned to the Basileos or gifted to His Holiness the Pope. Or we can form vassal duchies to our own kingdoms and empires and thus have direct control over the flow of goods and troops into the Holy Lands. What say you fellow Christians?
And further more - the counts and dukes of the north are driven by holy zeal. They offer the King of Poland their aid in his effort to bring the light of Christ to the heathen Lithuanians. Great hosts of men can be mustered, and gold can be spared for the building of churches. We can also send German priests to further the education of these peoples, who live in the darkness of ignorance and heresy.
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10564) Darth Feather
Nightbringer
03-05-2014, 02:38
We thank the Kaiser for his kind offer of aid, but our men, filled with the strength of the lord, have already converted much of the land, and only a few heathen dogs now hide in a fortified city. We have surrounded this last stronghold of heresy and will cleanse it soon. Of course, the assistance of German priests is always appreciated. These people live in a near barbaric state and are in dire need of the Lord's word.
As to this proposed Crusade, we vote in favor of it. The Seljuk Turks do indeed threaten Christian lands, and we would be doing the Lord's work in driving them back to the steppes. Initially at least, I think it would be safest to establish client Kingdoms to rule over these lands, as the Eastern Romans misguided faith has clearly sapped their power to hold it.
(ooc) -3 points for taking Venice, and you need to declare a specific city to be the crusade target. :)
Nightbringer
03-09-2014, 10:50
Darth Feather?
I will think about a target, I need a map in front of me. I'm thinking Dyarbakir or Baghdad.
Darth Feather
03-11-2014, 17:09
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10565 TheCeLL
I would like to know where Dyarbakir is situated. Sicilian map-making is still in progress and we started with mapping the western medditeranian.
start a new single player game and write toggle_fow in the console
France claims rebel territories south of... well France. If any other ruler sieges those cities, then I, le Roi de France will see it as a direct challenge to my rule.
Poland is next
Nightbringer12441
France claims rebel territories south of... well France. If any other ruler sieges those cities, then I, le Roi de France will see it as a direct challenge to my rule.
Poland is next
Nightbringer12441
The King of France would do well to heed the Scottish forces amassed near Anthwerp. They are of dubious honour.
Nightbringer
03-15-2014, 12:48
norway up! LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10569
LooseCannon1
03-18-2014, 15:02
HRE up. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10570
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10573) Darth Feather
Took a city from Venice this turn. I have a question - if a catholic city is recaptured, will re-recapturing it give a further point decrease?
Calling vote for a Crusade on Caesarea.
Nightbringer
03-20-2014, 21:46
I would say no if it was lost in the last 10 turns. Since you can't double up on gained points that way, I think it is only fair that you can't double up on lost points that way. So going by that, should you be losing points for this capture?
Also, I need to hear the exact target of the crusade, and votes from LooseCannon1, Darth Feather, and TheCeLL
LooseCannon1
03-21-2014, 12:44
The King of Norway feels that the Turks are not truly a threat to Christianity. If you wish to beat up on some heathens I suggest calling the crusade on Urgench.:dizzy2:
And is that a cut & paste error in the first post? It says "EARLY" era. Aren't we using Late era?
I would say no if it was lost in the last 10 turns. Since you can't double up on gained points that way, I think it is only fair that you can't double up on lost points that way. So going by that, should you be losing points for this capture?
Also, I need to hear the exact target of the crusade, and votes from LooseCannon1, Darth Feather, and TheCeLL
I gave a target:
"Calling vote for a Crusade on Caesarea." - that's the Turkish capital in the Late era start.
Nightbringer
03-21-2014, 19:39
oops, missed that somehow.
So we've got Poland and HRE for
Norway against
waiting on votes from Sicily and France
Darth Feather
03-22-2014, 09:57
The crown of sicily deems Caesarea a good target for a crusade.
Myth
I also would politely ask the Kaisar of the Holy Roman Empire to abandon the fort in the Pisa-region. There is a quarantaine in effect at the moment due to the black death, and I would not want to see German soldiers die.
TheCeLL
France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10575
Nightbringer
03-22-2014, 10:14
alright, that's enough votes for it to be passed then. There is now a crusade launched against the Seljuks with a target of Caesarea.
This means that all Seljuk cities are now worth 4 points, with Caesarea being worth 8. Do note that this crusade ends when Caesarea is captured.
The King of France was busy with internal affairs and could not respond to the crusade vote on time. The King of France agrees that the Turks are pose a threat to christendom, and should be subdued, however if France should participate directly in the crusade is still being decided.
Nightbringer Poland up
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Nightbringer
03-28-2014, 09:14
thanks for still throwing your vote in TheCeLL. I should get to my turn in the next 24 hours.
Nightbringer
03-30-2014, 07:07
norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10577
and yes, that is a copy and past error. We are indeed using late era.
LooseCannon1
03-31-2014, 14:09
HRE up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10578) Myth
We have dire news for the King of France ( TheCeLL ). The vile Scotts have turned on us and have laid siege to the city of Burges. We offer His Majesty an alliance and the unquestioned support of the Holy Roman Empire in matters both religious and secular. In return, we request he dispatch any local forces to the relief of our two armies stationed inside and to the west of the city. Should Burges fall, we nevertheless wish for its return within the Reich.
We have continued to unite the Italian nobility, and a Venetian castle is incorporated within the Empire. With three secure Adriatic ports, we will begin preparations for sailing towards Anatolia.
We offer safe passage through our lands for any crusading armies, and also the possibility of leasing out a port settlement for a number of seasons, so that other Catholic brothers in arms may hire their own fleets and sail alongside us.
The fort has been abandoned, as the King of Sicily has requested. We request that he does not bring siege weapons within a season's march of our Italian holdings to preserve mutual trust.
Sicilly up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10579) Darth Feather
Nightbringer so is assassinating the pope allowed?
LooseCannon1
04-02-2014, 21:27
Did the Pope excommunicate you-again? :laugh4:
Did the Pope excommunicate you-again? :laugh4:
Not yet, but I think he is thinking of it.
Nightbringer
04-03-2014, 09:08
assassinating him is absolutely allowed. in fact,t hat sort of thing is what i has hoping for with the game's mechanics.
Darth Feather
04-05-2014, 10:10
TheCeLL France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10582
Myth We removed our trebuchets out of the reach of Bologna.
Umm... that's kind of the wrong file... Darth Feather
That's the sicily file..........
Nightbringer
04-15-2014, 09:31
Darth Feather?
Nightbringer
04-25-2014, 20:52
it looks like darth hasn't been online since the 5th. Has anyone heard anything from him?
Nightbringer
05-03-2014, 01:36
I went ahead and skipped his turn, here is the save for france TheCeLL
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10591
Le Roi du France received the Kaiser's ( Myth ) message and accepts the offer for alliance.
However, the bulk of France's army is in the south trying to secure the rebellious cities of Toulouse and Marseilles. We have only a small force in the north, but we will try to help against the Scottish invaders.
We are sending our current forces who are now on their way towards Burghes, while building up a bigger army in Paris as well.
Poland is next 12872
Thanks, I forgot to notif him
Nightbringer
05-09-2014, 09:02
sorry about the delay, life is pretty busy. Should be all done on Saturday at the latest.
Nightbringer
05-10-2014, 23:45
norway up! LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10594
LooseCannon1
05-19-2014, 00:03
Forgot to post this. Sorry.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10595 Myth
Will do both saves tonight guys. I had a long trip away from my PC.
Sicilly is up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10597)
We need a new player for them. Perhaps one of the guys from the M2TW re-release party will join up.
Nightbringer
05-20-2014, 23:54
ya, we should try advertising there :)
Nightbringer
06-11-2014, 14:44
turned sicily to ai, france up TheCeLL
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10604
I've been very busy these days sorry for slow respond :P
Here we go: Poland up! 13239
Nightbringer
Nightbringer
06-17-2014, 01:45
that's ok TheCeLL :)
you're up! LooseCannon1
LooseCannon1
06-17-2014, 23:08
And that brings us to the HRE https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10610 Myth
Does somebody wanna like message Myth or something? Remind him that it's his turn :P Myth hey it's your turn
Heh, thanks for the reminder. Sorry I forgot about this!
Nightbringer
07-18-2014, 08:03
Myth?
can't play it as I'm away from my main PC :(
France up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10628) TheCeLL
Sorry for the overlong wait guys.
The Holy Roman Empire has been betrayed! As two of our armies set sail for Anatolia to free the Greek lands from Seljuk occupation, the Papal States have been usurped! Mad with warmongering, the Pope has excommunicated us for simply defending our lands from aggression and has even laid siege to Bologna! He himself is leading the army!
It is obvious that the Vatican is rife with corruption and that the current Pope serves himself and his own mad ambitions to match secular rulers in might and wealth. Thus, we have elected an Antipope in Nurnberg and prepare to remove "His Holiness" from power.
We urge all true christians to side with us in this conflict, and are open to negotiations. The Empire is rich and mighty and generous to its friends.
In thanks to the French king, who helped us defend our city from the Scottish onslaught, we offer aid should he need it, both in men and coin.
(my Assassins are only at 10% chance. This is going to get messy!)
Nightbringer
07-24-2014, 04:07
Haha, it seems the Kaiser has attracted quite a foe. Our King waits to see if this pope truly is devil possessed, or whether he is a true pope who shall be brought to victory over imperial forces by the will of the almighty.
Noble Polish King, the Pope waited for our two complete armies to set sail in the Adriatic before he stabbed us in the back and started terrorizing Northern Italy. It is a grim day indeed for a descendant of Charlemagne to wage war againt rome instead of in her defence, but it must be done for the greater good of Catholicism.
Poland up 13863 Nightbringer
Being a true devout catholic, la Roi du France is reluctant to go to war with such haste against the pope. However, he does recognize his aggression, and concluded that he must be corrupted. La Roi du France will side with the antipope on this conflict.
France also plans to retake Provence from Genoa.
Nightbringer
08-07-2014, 03:08
LooseCannon1 up with norway
also, Vilnius captured and the Lithuanian threat ended.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10636
LooseCannon1
08-09-2014, 13:48
The pope's interference in Norwegian affairs forces the Supreme Viking (:laugh4:) to agree with the Kaiser that the so-called pope is a warmongering fool. We cannot send anything other than our moral support to you and wish the Kaiser a speedy victory over the Unholy One.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10637
Upon seeing our armies return to the shores of Italy, His Cowardice the Pope has ran back towards the safety of Rome. His inept maneuvering allowed the Kaiser to catch his retreating men in the open field. The Papal guard fought bravely and sacrificed thousands to allow the Pope to run back to Rome with his tail between his legs. Next season comes a siege on Roma hereslf. God willing, we will be free of Anslem's scourge soon enough.
We remind our French allies to stay firm on the coast where the Scotts have encamped en masse. We shall be rid of them in due time. We also thank all the kings of Europe who stand behind us. This loyalty shall not be forgotten.
France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10639) TheCeLL
Le Roi Du France has commenced his campaign to drive the italians out of Provence. He also continues to reinforce his armies in the north to aid our german allies in their defense against the scottish invaders.
Poland up Nightbringer 14088
Those bloody Scotts are a tenacious lot!
Nightbringer
08-24-2014, 22:18
norway up! LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10651
LooseCannon1
08-31-2014, 14:17
HRE up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10653
France up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10656) TheCeLL
The Scotts seem to be gaining the upper hand in the duchy of Flanders! We implore the French King to send more men. Vienna has been attacked by the Hungarians. As the Pope has sealed his fate and is not expected to survive long, we offer the King of Poland the opportunity to reclaim his ancestral lands from the treacherous Magyars.
Nightbringer
09-06-2014, 23:43
oops
Nightbringer isn't this post for Clash of Gods?
Sorry this took so long! School is back along with all its work! :/
Le Roi du France unfortunatley has but a small regiment of troops stationed in Northern France, however with the victory at Marseilles, we now have a sizeable army ready for battle. Le Roi du France asks the Kaiser where this army is needed the most - fighting scots in the north, or the fake pope to the south?
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Poland up Nightbringer
Sorry this took so long! School is back along with all its work! :/
Le Roi du France unfortunatley has but a small regiment of troops stationed in Northern France, however with the victory at Marseilles, we now have a sizeable army ready for battle. Le Roi du France asks the Kaiser where this army is needed the most - fighting scots in the north, or the fake pope to the south?
14449
Poland up Nightbringer
The false Pope has been besieged by the Kaiser himself and his son the Duke of Bavaria. The Scotts must be pushed back and we also encourage France to provision a landing force under at least 100 sail and send them to quell the Scottish threat.
We fully back the claims of the French crown over England as well, as it is the hereditary right of the Plantagenets.
Nightbringer
09-24-2014, 01:32
norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10662
and I took a kievan settlement for -2 points
LooseCannon1
09-26-2014, 00:10
HRE uphttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10663
Nightbringer
10-04-2014, 19:47
Myth?
LooseCannon1
10-05-2014, 15:39
Myth?
Yes, I sent him a PM when I posted the thread. Good to know I'm not the slowest:2thumbsup:
Sorry guys, i had 3 consecutive days of business trips, gym, then travelling to celebrate my birthday. Doing my saves now.
France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10667) TheCeLL
It appears the Scotts have been bashing their thick heads against our castle walls time and again. A sorite is in order soon. Venice has been recaptured from the treacherous venetian merchants and their sellswords, and Genoa is under siege. Who holds the northern lands of Denmark?
Once again I apologize for my lateness!
Poland up Nightbringer
14700
Nightbringer
10-25-2014, 21:16
LooseCannon1
Norway up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10670
LooseCannon1
10-30-2014, 23:27
And the HRE is up. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10673
France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10679) TheCeLL
Rome falls! And with it the warmongering Pope. We hope the next Bishop of Rome is more benevolent and wise. A siege on Bologna by the traitorous Sicillians has been repelled, and armies have been marched to relief the long siege on Anthwerp by the barbarous Scotts.
(I can't give Rome back to the Papal stats and ask for peace via diplo, right?)
Nightbringer
11-23-2014, 00:16
nope.
Nightbringer
11-30-2014, 04:24
TheCeLL ?
Poland up Nightbringer
14802
Nightbringer
12-17-2014, 09:32
sorry on the delay, I'll get to it soon!
Nightbringer
12-20-2014, 21:36
Norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10684
LooseCannon1
12-26-2014, 00:32
HRE Up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10685
France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10687) TheCeLL
We are greatly vexed with the continued Scottish marauding along the Flandrian coast. As such, we offer a bounty of 5000 golden imperials for the elimination of the malevolent King of Scotland through force of arms or subterfuge. Let us remove this tryrant from the throne, so that his subjects may go home to their families and not leave their bones in Flemish lands.
On the east, the King of Hungary has taken to his Magyar roots and even now contests Vienna, a city rightfully part of the Reich. We offer the King of Poland financial and logistial aid with the most holy war of the Chross in Anatolia, if he were to help us drive back the deranged magyar.
Also, our agents report that the new pope has suddenly died, reportedly he was suffering from ill humours.
Le Roi Du France happily reports a great victory over the villanous Scottish army. Our General has spotted a chance for an attack when Scotland's main forces foolishly made an advance eastwards. We utterly defeated their remaining armies that surrounded the once beseiged city.
Our victorious southern armies are also advancing north, adding much needed manpower to repel the invasion. The once mighty Scottish invasion force will soon be crushed under the might of the French Army.
Poland up Nightbringer
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Nightbringer
01-22-2015, 16:49
oops, will get the turn up ASAP
Nightbringer
01-24-2015, 04:25
Norway up LooseCannon1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10692
LooseCannon1
01-27-2015, 15:13
I was coming here to complain:laugh4: aboutNightbringer 's slow play in CoG3 when I saw this.
:laugh4:Hey, it's not my turn it's MYTH's https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10693
Nightbringer
02-05-2015, 01:24
Myth
just a reminder
Myth reminder number two...? :P
LooseCannon1
03-16-2015, 12:55
Myth reminder number two...? :Pi hate to say it but i believe Myth has stopped hotseating. TheCeLL He's only made one post in the forum since Feb 1st and never replied to any PM I've sent him about being up in either game. I asked Nightbringer if he'd heard from Myth and he said he would try to contact Myth on Skype. But I haven't heard back in a month.~:mecry: or should I go:furious3:
Nightbringer
03-17-2015, 01:14
ya, I've been trying to contact myth and he does seem to have left hotseating.
Its truly sad to say but things do seem to kind of dead. I am still around if needed and would still be interested in helping some games happen if people are looking to do so.
I had a brief hiatus guys, but I'm here and can continue
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