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Al Sipsclar
12-22-2015, 21:28
What do people think about Nightbringer? He's my close second candidate. This is my first game here, so I don't have any baseline meta regarding to him. Thread content and voting record (before SV flips) don't give me any reasons to clear Nightbringer.
Nightbringer
12-22-2015, 22:05
What do people think about Nightbringer? He's my close second candidate. This is my first game here, so I don't have any baseline meta regarding to him. Thread content and voting record (before SV flips) don't give me any reasons to clear Nightbringer.
I can tell you that my participation in this game, with low activity at the start and ramping up later, is my standard pattern. :shrug:
johnhughthom
12-22-2015, 22:16
I can tell you that my participation in this game, with low activity at the start and ramping up later, is my standard pattern. :shrug:
As scum you mean? What is your townie pattern?~;)
Nightbringer
12-23-2015, 01:30
As scum you mean? What is your townie pattern?~;)
Well, I suppose I have to say it is the same don't I :sweatdrop:
Raith Kemmler
12-23-2015, 01:35
The problem with voting Jarema, beyond my tactic acceptance this is his established town, is if he's mafia we're in deep.
The inactivity is been just bad enough the town will flip itself over more than be crippled by enemy play. ?
Vote:SeveringViper
What do people think about Nightbringer? He's my close second candidate. This is my first game here, so I don't have any baseline meta regarding to him. Thread content and voting record (before SV flips) don't give me any reasons to clear Nightbringer.
Middling. He's not the snake Viper looks like now, but the inactivity does no favors. It's too easy a mafia tactic to hide and then establish town cred when the chaos dies. I will probably raise or lower though after a bit of a retread.
I've been poisoned/I'm suddenly feeling unwell!
Sorry for my extended absence, turns out driving almost 2000kms across Oz with large areas of no mobile service, a 4yr old, new baby and screaming bird in the car isn't overly conducive to keeping up.
I have the current vote count as:
SV) - Nightbringer, Al Sips, Jarema, Zain, Auto?, Raith
Jarema) - SV,
Zain) - JHT*
? - Auto bolded SV's name but didn't write 'vote' - does this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676540&viewfull=1#post2053676540)count as a vote?
* - JHT switched from Jarema to Zain
Reading through player ISOs my bottom three are currently Nightbringer, Autolycus and Jarema. SV would be number four. I'm not necessarily against his lynch, I'm reading him as defensive since yesterday's phase and I find the vote on Zain meh, but I don't mind his push on Jarema and it feels like an 'easy' pile-on.
Jarema's votes stand out as opportunistic/weird. Votes Edse (let's create some pressure here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674959&highlight=#post2053674959)) which felt opportunistic after Winston's post and weird after mine; Zain (? no reason? - hasn't responded to questioning (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676027&highlight=#post2053676027)); GH (ok because Scum, but no reasons given, simply 'too' (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675523&highlight=#post2053675523)). SV because 'among top picks yesterday and still are today (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676358&highlight=#post2053676358)' also weird/?opportunistic (also, third vote :P). Most active when pushed by Sips for votes which is null for now but ?overdefensive.
Autolycus' votes/reasons given with votes are weird and his activity hasn't ramped up despite saying this would happen (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675188&highlight=#post2053675188) with more deaths. Votes: [spoiler]Jarema- Al Sips does seem to be the scummiest but there's plenty of votes there (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675188&highlight=#post2053675188). Let's go with the arbitrary counterwagon on Jarrema'); Edse - Doesn't like GH wagon -no reason given- links Edse with Khaan vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675542&highlight=#post2053675542), feels opportunistic; GK - Tips balance, no reason (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676215&highlight=#post2053676215); Today 'between SV and Raith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676540&highlight=#post2053676540)' (no reasons, ?no actual vote?).
Nightbringer is my top choice for possible distancing post Khaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2053675475#post2053675475), as mentioned and questioned here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675965&viewfull=1#post2053675965), soft-clearing GH and El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675480&highlight=#post2053675480), doesn't answer questions, instead puts me in lineup with misrep of activity (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676453&viewfull=1#post2053676453).
Vote: Nightbringer
The problem with voting Jarema, beyond my tactic acceptance this is his established town, is if he's mafia we're in deep.
The inactivity is been just bad enough the town will flip itself over more than be crippled by enemy play. ?
Vote:SeveringViper
Middling. He's not the snake Viper looks like now, but the inactivity does no favors. It's too easy a mafia tactic to hide and then establish town cred when the chaos dies. I will probably raise or lower though after a bit of a retread.
I still need to re-read the thread linearly but @Raith:
- Can you explain the bold on Jarema a bit for me?
- What exactly makes Viper look like 'the snake' and why would you bring that into a question related to Nightbringer?
I see no reason to do this except to give a reason for your vote without actually giving reasons.
Raith Kemmler
12-23-2015, 05:24
I've been poisoned/I'm suddenly feeling unwell!
What night phase were you poisoned Cass?
I have the current vote count as:
SV) - Nightbringer, Al Sips, Jarema, Zain, Auto?, Raith
Jarema) - SV,
Zain) - JHT*
Yeah, runaway train on SV. Not surprising but not comforting. Could be an easy distract, or just giving up a doomed mafia. Fun. Confident John is doing his own thing.
...through player ISOs my bottom three are currently Nightbringer, Autolycus and Jarema. SV would be number four. I'm not necessarily against his lynch, I'm reading him as defensive since yesterday's phase and I find the vote on Zain meh, but I don't mind his push on Jarema and it feels like an 'easy' pile-on.
I won't go for Jarema, but Auto or Night aren't out of the question. I'd need more convincing for Night though.
Vote: Nightbringer
Response here pending. I'm gonna try to make a hard judgement, but no promises.
I still need to re-read the thread linearly but @Raith:
- Can you explain the bold on Jarema a bit for me?
- What exactly makes Viper look like 'the snake' and why would you bring that into a question related to Nightbringer?
I see no reason to do this except to give a reason for your vote without actually giving reasons.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Viper is reactionary and defensive. But, does that translate to mafia? Defensive players are sleeping problems. See my annoyingly mistaken but strategically valid annoyance with Golden Knight's survival first mindset. Hiding does not good town make unless you've got the power. And 20 caffeinated townies will hunt the mafia faster than a few power roles (usually). Viper's real issue to me is his activity. He pops up when he's mentioned, but then goes away. That's not comforting.
Jarema, if mafia, is one of a few players town can't be confident about as we edge toward the end. But lynching him wastes now more valuable time. We're judging him based on something other than meta, I don't see a lot to be suspicious of. His activity seems distant but not evil. His posts are short.
We've got,
You. A player who vanished for a while, and hasn't voted a lot. You could be a player who hates pulling the trigger, but we don't have a lot on ya either way.
Jarema: Present, but not very active.
Nightbringer- Whose strategy if town also spirals great as mafia. Not much when the game was fluid, now giving us a lot when impressions are knowable.
Zain- Sort of active, not exactly detailed. He's here, but he ain't monologuing. I'd like a monologue.
Auto- So he's in the game. Yep.
JHT: Town, so okay.
SV- Who pops up every now and again when things shift toward him.
I'm active, but my big case was a bust. Also missed much of a phase with the holidays.
Al- Active. Town in my book. If he's mafia, gg.
So basically, we don't a lot of high content here. I'm assuming based on meta and lack of hard hitting evidence Jarema is town. If I don't, I'm left with too many unknowns to see this confidently won with poison in play. All for self correcting, but unless I see counter evidence he feels suspiciously like a filler lynch to feed town.
Sev (Night, Al, Jarema, Zain, Auto, Raith
Jarema (Sev
Zain (John
Night (cass
End of Day Five
Another success for the Court.
Severing Viper was lynched! Mafia
Alive: 8/20
1. Jarema
6. Zain
10. Raith Kemmler
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 12/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
24 hours for night and probably a 72 hour day just to make sure everyone has time.
Nightbringer
12-23-2015, 11:44
Huzzah!
Wait, why are we still here...
I knew Severing was scum! Smelt it day 1 ~:cool:
Raith Kemmler
12-24-2015, 02:04
Kudos Zain, that was fine work.
Okay. I'm thinking:
Jarema: Still town to me
Zain: Early attempts at reveal of Viper look improve cred a lot.
Al Sipsclar: Still town.
Nightbringer: looks better after Viper's death, though not Zain good.
Autolycus: He turned the tide for my epic mislynch on GK. He hasn't been around. He can't be in the final town lineup.
Case-Conflicted. Her comment about SV might have been an attempt to turn the wagon, but mafia usually play that cooler. Viper probably knew he was toast come last phase and probably didn't bother trying to argue it. That said, her poisoned comment could go two ways. It's almost late enough that it could be a cover, as it took 3 phases to kill Edse, But I'd expect mafia to declare that a bit later in this case. Unless there's more than one mafia left, but that sounds overbooked.
Johnhughthom: Very town
Kudos Zain, that was fine work.
Thank you :bow:
Okay. I'm thinking:
Jarema: Still town to me
Why? He's on my radar.
Zain: Early attempts at reveal of Viper look improve cred a lot.
Once again thanks :)
Al Sipsclar: Still town.
I tend to agree with you, but what makes you (and apparently everybody else) think this?
Nightbringer: looks better after Viper's death, though not Zain good.
Not necessarily to me, he could've easily bussed. But I have a decent feel about him.
Autolycus: He turned the tide for my epic mislynch on GK. He hasn't been around. He can't be in the final town lineup.
Never had a good feeling about auto, but he's not my top suspect (Jarema).
I feel Cass is innocent, need to analyze what you said more.
[QUOTE=Raith]Johnhughthom: Very town
I tend to agree with this as well, but why?
Monologue soon to follow! :bow:
are we expected to talk at night?
It is possible, that last remaining scum is some kind of third party. If so, it will be harder to find him by analyzing relations in the thread
Al Sipsclar
12-24-2015, 07:48
If we were to lynch the last mafioso, but still had a serial killer alive, would the game end then, or we had to find the SK? I hope we don't have to hunt down the 3rd party.
With SV's flip, Zain and Nightbringer look much better. Winston's track results support Zain as well.
On D2, JHT was the top contender until, late in the day, Winston presented a pretty damning evidence against khaan. If not lynched then, khaan would have a very hard avoiding the lynch the next day. Scum had all reasons to bus him. That doesn't look good for Cass, who were last on khaan's wagon. She did break the tie and condemned khaan to the gallows, but he was doomed anyway. Another thing not looking good for Cass, was when yesterday Nightbringer mentioned her as his next scum lean, and I said that Nightbringer is my second choice, Cass came back and voted Nightbringer.
On D2, JHT was set up for a lynch with GH and EB voting him. Entirely possible that JHT is scum and that was a gambit to gain some town cred. But I think it's not very likely.
Raith was tunneling on G1K. On D3 he voted SV, but didn't bold the vote! Curiously, too, if we assume that on D1 scum voted their partners (khaan voted El Barto, EB voted GH), SV voted Raith and Raith voted GH. Otherwise, I have nothing against Raith.
Jarema is suspicious. D2 vote on edse was bad, D4 vote on Zain is interesting.
I was ready to vote Auto on D4 due to his poor voting record, but his confused nighttime vote on N3 stopped me. I mean, what kind of scum can lose the track of day/night phases?
I've been keeping a spreadsheet here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PsiwGCYcxz6rqwI4Zm5rnvd72GYtOnGPs16I-Gr7DOs/edit?usp=sharing). Sharing it in the hope it helps us to find the scum.
End of Night Five
Another victim.
Raith Kemmler was killed! Town
Alive: 7/20
1. Jarema
6. Zain
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 13/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
autolycus
12-24-2015, 14:30
After reviewing the spreadsheet, my working theory is that there's one more mafia (who probably poisoned last night), we have a vig activated by the duchess' death, and a solo scum poisoner. Raith's kill doesn't make sense for the mafia, and Winston's claimed poisoning suggests that the poisoner is not on our side (plus khaan was traced to edse the night edse got poisoned). It's possible the vig is actually an SK, and it's also possible the poisoner is solo and khaan was doing something else that night vis a vis edse (tracking would be one possible power)
Poisoned:
N1: edse (claimed in thread)
N2:landlubber (Died N3 of poison)
N3:Winston Hughes (claimed in thread)
N4:Cass (claimed in thread)
N5: ???
Poisoner candidates from least likely to most:
Cass: claimed poisoning, missed two days
Nightbringer: Missed two days
Al: Clearly not on the mafia's team. Only poisoner if solo
Jarrema Vote on edse very strange if he's poisoned him.
autolycus: Me. I know I'm innocent but Voting record not great
johnhughthom landlubber got poisoned after pushing his lynch. Only poisoner if poisoner solo.
Zain: Tracked as inactive first two days, but voting record is dubious. Only poisoner if poisoner part of mafia team.
Vote:Zain I think the poison is one of the scum team's powers, especially given the title of the game.
Nightbringer
12-24-2015, 14:41
vote:autlycus
I'll explain later today when I have more time.
and happy holidays all!
I've been keeping a spreadsheet here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PsiwGCYcxz6rqwI4Zm5rnvd72GYtOnGPs16I-Gr7DOs/edit?usp=sharing). Sharing it in the hope it helps us to find the scum.
Thank you for sharing that, allow me to analyze and comment below :bow:
1. Jarema
6. Zain
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
Leans:
1. Jarema - Based upon voting record Jarema seems innocent, he feels slightly more scummy though.
13. Al Sipsclar - Gunned for Severing three turns in a row, voting record and feel is innocent as well.
15. Nightbringer - Inactive scum, at first anyway. Claiming that he gets more active as the game winds down does nothing for his case, appears more scummy than Jarema in both voting record and feel.
16. Autolycus - voted for 3 confirmed townies in the past, one probable living townie, and then bandwagon scum vote. Voting record leans scum, feel is as well.
17. Cass - Poisoned, according to the spreadsheet. Voting record is neutral though inactivity in the vote seems scummy, but my feel is townie. Conflicted on this one.
18. Johnhughthom - Voting record leans him innocent, and he feels as such as well.
Vote:autolycus as of this moment, may not have time tomorrow to look, glad for the extended time.
Merry Christmas from aus.
autolycus
12-24-2015, 17:51
Assuming the remaining direct killer is town and the poison is part of the mafia team, lynching and killing Zain and me wins the game. Obviously, I'd prefer it to go Zain then me because that might end the game before my death, but either order should be ok. If that doesn't work out and Cass doesn't die of poison, I'd lynch her tomorrow. I might not be back on before day's end, but Merry Christmas to all in advance.
El Barto
12-24-2015, 17:58
Merry Christmas from aus.
Ohayo gozaimasu, baisorusurashu-san!
Raith Kemmler
12-24-2015, 20:15
Avenge me Town!!!!
Al Sipsclar
12-25-2015, 06:43
I gather, no one was poisoned last night?
Master Nightbringer, about Autolycus more to say, have you?
Why Zain, and not Jarema? For Zain we have at least some tracking results. What exonerating evidence we have for Jarema?
Nightbringer
12-25-2015, 10:00
I gather, no one was poisoned last night?
Master Nightbringer, about Autolycus more to say, have you?
Why Zain, and not Jarema? For Zain we have at least some tracking results. What exonerating evidence we have for Jarema?
Nothing regulatory, just a general feeling from posts and the voting history. Too busy with work + holiday to dig through everything at the moment.
Merry Christmas all!
Right now I'm still happy with a lynch from my previous top 3 but tbh I'm not that confident. Nightbringer seems less likely and I'm even back to tinfoiling on Al Sips. Apart from picking upon the GH D1 switching votes thing, my reads seem to be waaay off this game. Playing Town is hard!! Here's where I'm at:
WRT Nightbringer
I can agree SV's flip makes Nightbringer look considerably better unless it was a major, early bus. The main selling point for me is the fact he voted/pushed SV early the day before the lynch, rather than just jumping in the next day after SV's noose was already set. Anything's possible, but I can't really see Scum bussing like that at this point in the game so I'd be happier lynching Auto/Jarema first here.
On the other hand, the posts following Khaan's flip and the soft-clearing of both GH and El Barto still bother me.
It just feels too blatant and meta to me, but it is possible. I would say it takes El Barto off the suspect list for sure though. I had missed the Al voted khann though. Nightbringer, can you explain why Khaan's flip took El Barto off the suspect list for you?
It just feels too blatant and meta to me, but it is possible. I would say it takes El Barto off the suspect list for sure though. I had missed the Al voted khann though.
WRT Auto
Same things against Auto as before but these also caught my eye:
After reviewing the spreadsheet, my working theory is that there's one more mafia (who probably poisoned last night), we have a vig activated by the duchess' death, and a solo scum poisoner. Raith's kill doesn't make sense for the mafia, and Winston's claimed poisoning suggests that the poisoner is not on our side (plus khaan was traced to edse the night edse got poisoned). It's possible the vig is actually an SK, and it's also possible the poisoner is solo and khaan was doing something else that night vis a vis edse (tracking would be one possible power)
Poisoned:
N1: edse (claimed in thread)
N2:landlubber (Died N3 of poison)
N3:Winston Hughes (claimed in thread)
N4:Cass (claimed in thread)
N5: ???
Poisoner candidates from least likely to most:
Cass: claimed poisoning, missed two days
Nightbringer: Missed two days
Al: Clearly not on the mafia's team. Only poisoner if solo
Jarrema Vote on edse very strange if he's poisoned him.
autolycus: Me. I know I'm innocent but Voting record not great
johnhughthom landlubber got poisoned after pushing his lynch. Only poisoner if poisoner solo.
Zain: Tracked as inactive first two days, but voting record is dubious. Only poisoner if poisoner part of mafia team.
Vote:Zain I think the poison is one of the scum team's powers, especially given the title of the game.
I also think that the poisoning would be a mafia power given that GH flipped 3rd party undercover with the mafia team but I don't know how you translate that to Zain being number one suspect - iirc Winston tracked him N2 and N3 with no result - yet landlubber and Winston were actively poisoned. Also, Winston said he tracked Zain at night, and it was the last few phases, not the first.
Assuming the remaining direct killer is town and the poison is part of the mafia team, lynching and killing Zain and me wins the game. Obviously, I'd prefer it to go Zain then me because that might end the game before my death, but either order should be ok. If that doesn't work out and Cass doesn't die of poison, I'd lynch her tomorrow. I might not be back on before day's end, but Merry Christmas to all in advance.
1. I don't understand. How/why does taking you and Zain out win the game, if you're Town?
2. Re the bold. Why lynch me?
WRT Jarema
I still don't like his votes/responses and he's now scummiest to me. Unlike NB, he first avoided and then quickly switched to the lynch of SV. I feel like the interaction/weird mutual votes between them yesterday were possibly scum-scum distancing. SV was pretty obviously going to be the lynch after GK the day before so bussing wasn't out of the question and during previous GK-SV phase Jarema i) started with his strange vote on Zain and ii) then switched to GK, otherwise staying quiet, even when questioned about the vote on Zain.
I'm still of the mindset that Zain gets a pass from Winston's tracking, so all of the above stands out given that and SV's flip. Add that to the vote on Edse and the lack of reasons for previous votes and I'm going to
Vote: Jarema , pending responses from Night and Auto.
Also, I'm out with family all Boxing Day (next 20ish hours) for first time this year, wheeee! Will hopefully be able to get to a real computer after that/the next day before EoD :D GL!
johnhughthom
12-26-2015, 00:04
I don't really feel the case on auto, and Jarema smells town to me. I'm going to go Vote: Nightbringer
Nightbringer
12-26-2015, 03:37
So I'm stuck on mobile only right now and can't put together a detailed response, but all I can really say is that it was a misread. I thought the way they were communicating was too interactive to be people that had their own quicktopic. I figured that mafia would probably just try to avoid association, rather than fake squable and chat with each other.
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Nightbringer
12-26-2015, 03:40
So why do you land on me jht ? Seriously? I'm shaping up as today's target, so at least make sure you have really thought it through. Auto's voting record really does far less to separate him from known skum far mine does
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Vote: Zain
Merry Christmas to all (I'm a little late, I know)
Nightbringer
12-26-2015, 23:36
vote count
autolycus - 2
zain - 1
nightbringer - 1
jarema - 1
1. Jarema - Zain
6. Zain - autolycus
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer - autolycus
16. Autolycus
17. Cass - Jarema
18. Johnhughthom - Nightbringer
waiting on you 2 al sips and auto :)
Al Sipsclar
12-27-2015, 05:29
Autolycus has actualy voted Zain, I voted Jarema (by bolding his name).
Like Auto noted, we had someone poisoned and someone killed every night.
poisoned killed
N1 edse (d.N4) Csargo
N2 LL (d.N3) Scarlett
N3 WH (d.N4) Cuth+EB
N4 Cass edse?
N5 ? RK
edse told us he had two days to live, but died N4. Either he was healed and killed, or the poison took longer.
landlubber didn't claim he was poisoned, but N3 writeup indicated he died of poison. Either he neglected to claim, or the poison was too potent (two poisoners?) or LL was very susceptible to poisoning.
WH claimed the poisoning symptoms on D4 and died N4. Not as fast as LL, but faster than edse.
Cass claimed poisoning N4, is still alive. Seems to be within the two days expectancy. It also can be that the poison always takes two days to kill, but some people develop symptoms early (edse, Cass), some late (WH), some never (LL). In this case we're going to have more than one player poisoned on the same night, requiring multiple poisoners.
Zain did nothing on N2 and N3, so this clears him from being the solo killer or poisoner. He still can be a part of the mafia team who did nothing those nights, but I find it unlikely that he'd push for the lynch of his last teammate (SV) first thing in the morning on D4.
Nightbringer and Cass each missed two day phases. They still could have sent night orders, but their absence lowers the probability of them being the solo killers or poisoners.
Nightbringer also pushed for SV lynch early D4 and D5, which makes it unlikey he's part of SV's team.
Cass could have been bussing khaan. She also followed my ill-advised suggestions and voted Nightbringer D5 and Jarema today. Probability of being the mafia team's member: medium.
I agree with Auto that Jarema's vote on edse after edse was poisoned makes it unlikely that Jarema is the poisoner. He still can be the solo killer.
JHT and I voted to lynch more than one scum, which lowers the probability of us being the mafiosi. We still could be the solo killers/poisoners.
Autolycus has the highest chances of being either the mafia team member or the solo killer/poisoner.
mafia solo poisoner solo killer
Jarema low low medium
Zain low very low very low
Al Sipsclar very low medium medium
Nightbringer low low low
Autolycus medium medium medium
Cass medium low low
JHT very low medium medium
Vote: Autolycus
to seal it, I'll vote: Autolycus
End of Day Six
Autolycus was lynched! Town
Alive: 6/20
1. Jarema
6. Zain
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 14/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
16. Autolycus, lynched D6, town.
End of Night Six
Zain was killed! Town
Alive: 5/20
1. Jarema
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 15/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
16. Autolycus, lynched D6, town.
6. Zain, killed N5, town.
johnhughthom
12-29-2015, 00:40
Vote: Nightbringer
It's less I think he's probably scum than I think the others are less likely.
Al Sipsclar
12-29-2015, 01:36
No one is poisoned? cass, how are your poisoning symptoms progressing?
Are we at LyLo yet? Mislynch today and two dying tonight from poison/kill.
If the killer is town-aligned, then he's the most clueless and paranoid townie. Must be Jarema. :)
If it is the last mafioso we're looking for, then it's either Nightbringer or Cass.
If it is the 3rd party/SK, then it's John.
Vote:Nightbringer. We can alternatively lynch Cass to end her sufferings and avoid the double whammy of the mislynch and her dying on us tonight.
Nightbringer
12-29-2015, 09:52
I guess vote: Cass based on the same reasoning as before.
I think I might actually go towards Cass after severing.
She was very quiet and just jumped in at the last minute to throw a vote on khaan once he was clearly going to die anyway (although with a fair excuse of being busy), and seemed to be doing a little bit to sway people away from el barto.
She's also been doing a lot of asking other people's opinions, rather than expressing her own, which reads (to me) as a scum tactic to avoid putting your neck out, while looking active.
See these two posts in particular (both are awash in nested quotes)
one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675826&viewfull=1#post2053675826)
two (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675965&viewfull=1#post2053675965)
She's also gone very quiet recently with focus shifting elsewhere, possibly to try to hide out as the last scum when no attention is directed her way.
Of course, that would mean the poisoned claim was fake, but that actually seems like a reasonable ploy for mafia to pull at this stage in the game.
Nightbringer
12-29-2015, 09:54
Vote: Nightbringer
It's less I think he's probably scum than I think the others are less likely.
please take another look at Cass
sorry for double post
Why dont you vote for Cass yourself?
Nightbringer
12-29-2015, 12:56
Why dont you vote for Cass yourself?
I guess vote: Cass based on the same reasoning as before.
:2thumbsup:
johnhughthom
12-29-2015, 17:12
Good point, if Cass is going to die anyway, Unvote; Vote: Cass
:2thumbsup:
ouch. I missed it at top of your post - it seemed to me as if it started with quotation
Al Sipsclar
12-29-2015, 21:01
Vote: Cass_
No one is poisoned? cass, how are your poisoning symptoms progressing?
Are we at LyLo yet? Mislynch today and two dying tonight from poison/kill.
If the killer is town-aligned, then he's the most clueless and paranoid townie. Must be Jarema. :)
If it is the last mafioso we're looking for, then it's either Nightbringer or Cass.
If it is the 3rd party/SK, then it's John.
Vote:Nightbringer. We can alternatively lynch Cass to end her sufferings and avoid the double whammy of the mislynch and her dying on us tonight.
Al Sipsclar - Why do you assume there's going to be a double whammy and that it's going to be me?
I haven't heard anything else re poisoning. My assumption would be that if there is an extra killer in the game beyond poisoner and the usual mafia NK, and they took out Edse/Winston rather than the poison then I've likely been healed? IIRC, Landlubber's death scene writeup clearly indicated poison while the others didn't. That to me suggests we have a poison healer, as well as a poisoner and an extra killer.
I'm neither mafia nor a killing power. Mislynching me at best might avoid a 'double whammy' at night but that's assuming there's no healer/I have not been healed and that there's definitely an extra killer left - which cannot be confirmed.
As far as I can see, unless we lynch mafia or killer today (or the extra killer is dead), the risk of double kill at night remains as much as it did yesterday and a preemptive strike like you're suggesting is just re-doing the poisoner's job for them if I've been healed.
I am not the right lynch today unless you're scum or you're certain that I'm going to die tonight.
I guess vote: Cass based on the same reasoning as before.
I think I might actually go towards Cass after severing.
She was very quiet and just jumped in at the last minute to throw a vote on khaan once he was clearly going to die anyway (although with a fair excuse of being busy), and seemed to be doing a little bit to sway people away from el barto.
She's also been doing a lot of asking other people's opinions, rather than expressing her own, which reads (to me) as a scum tactic to avoid putting your neck out, while looking active.
See these two posts in particular (both are awash in nested quotes)
one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675826&viewfull=1#post2053675826)
two (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675965&viewfull=1#post2053675965)
She's also gone very quiet recently with focus shifting elsewhere, possibly to try to hide out as the last scum when no attention is directed her way.
Of course, that would mean the poisoned claim was fake, but that actually seems like a reasonable ploy for mafia to pull at this stage in the game.
Nightbringer - I've mentioned before I don't like this 'reasoning', and it was that initial post that put you in my 'most scummy' pile earlier enough to vote.
1. If you actually read my posts, I've given my thoughts/opinions along with my questions every time. I make the questions the main point, but my own opinions are also there. Saying I haven't done so is either ignorant or misrepresentation. Linking it as a scum tactic looks especially bad from where I sit.
2. I have been far more explanatory of my thought process and have a higher post count than most of the players left. There was no focus on me gamewise prior to our travel, so your comment about 'focus shifting elsewhere' and me possibly 'hiding out as the last scum' is a serious reach. I've been 'quiet' because I've been flat out busy travelling and visiting with family/friends interstate over the holiday (as you mention and essentially excuse as 'fair').
3. Khaan's vote could have been a bus but the only motive for that if I was scum would be to theoretically gain town cred - which I have never actually seen a hammer vote on a pretty-certain-to-be-lynched player do. In almost every game I've played that vote garners suspicion and ends in the situation I'm facing now/a lynch, so there wouldn't actually be much point in hammering - except as Town to secure a lynch on someone who's likely scum.
I voted taking Winston's claim at face value but tbh I actually freaked out a little after that - first in case it was a mislynch (I had been most suspicious of Winston early in the day) and later in case it was all leading to a gambit that would incorrectly clear Wilson and Edse. I was still tinfoiling on that until both of them flipped Town.
4. El Barto was the player I was watching closest and I still had him as very potential scum. I never did anything in relation to him other than voice my personal preference that he not be an early lynch. The reasons for that (which I explained) were that I hadn't figured him out yet (read: he was actually fun to try and solve) and that I found a lot of his sarcastic quips were mirroring my own initial thoughts.
5. It's equally reasonable that scum would suggest my poisoning claim was a ploy/fake to push for my mislynch.
What, specifically, stands out to you about the two posts you linked, besides the nested quotes?
There are thoughts and reasons galore along with my questions if you actually look, and I will willingly elaborate further on anything you highlight/don't understand. Same goes for anything else that concerns you about my game.
Ok, here's where I'm at right now.
Flips in post #421 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675970&viewfull=1#post2053675970) make it likely that NKs come from mafia (killed Cuth), poisoner (killed landlubber) and town/3p (killed El Barto).
We've had no specific poison kills except for landlubber. Edse and Winston both claimed poisoning and lived, this suggests a healer who is likely to still be alive since I'm still here and Zain was watched on the nights players were healed. The healer could confirm my poisoning was true but I understand them holding back if they're unsure of me/my chance of survival.
There were no additional kills for the past two nights. I'm not sure how likely a second 3rd party would be after GH's flip, or why they would holster at this point in the game, so I'm leaning that the killer was Town and is dead or is holstering because they're unsure.
Despite my previous post, I doubt that Nightbringer is scum pushing my lynch so hard today, and as with yesterday, I doubt that he pushes SV so hard as a 'bus' the day before he became the lynch over GK.
I think it's more likely (in both cases) that Scum simply let Town direct and pile on at this stage, like JHT/Jarema, or make subtle suggestions such as Al Sips' 'alternatively we could kill Cass to end her suffering and spare a double whammy'.
Of the votes on me:
Al Sips votes Nightbringer after JHT does, then floats the idea of lynching me as an alternative to Nightbringer, waits until the votes pile on to vote me. Feels like he's been gearing up to my mislynch rather than genuinely thinking I'm scum/need to be lynched for the good of Town for the past two-three day phases. Seems like he doesn't care which one of us dies, even though he previously swore the vote on Khaan made me his top town and in post #535 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053677076&viewfull=1#post2053677076)Nightbringer is the only player he lists as 'low risk' for every possible killing role in the game I wish I had more time to look into his vote patterns/ISO, he's feeling more and more scummy to me despite activity.
@Al Sipsclar - Please explain your shift in thought process on the Khaan vote and on Nightbringer's alignment between:
Nightbringer also pushed for SV lynch early D4 and D5, which makes it unlikey he's part of SV's team.
and
If it is the last mafioso we're looking for, then it's either Nightbringer or Cass.
JHT's out the gate vote on Nightbringer is lacklustre for the 'it's less I think he's actually scum' and the sheep to me with the 'if she's going to die anyway' isn't great, but prior to this he has voted GK, Khaan, GH, GK, Jarema, Zain. He was most active in the phases where he was pushing Jarema/Zain for low content. That made me wary for the hipocracy, the fact that I struggle with low posters, and because I had Zain clear thanks to Winston - but on the surface GH and Khaan votes are a plus. Need to check timing of votes to confirm they weren't likely bus/scummy. But unless he plays super quiet/non-explanatory and sheepy as scum I think this is more likely to come from Town.
Nightbringer I've been over. I still don't like his vote or reasoning wrt me, he could very well be scum. I could return to this in F3 but I don't think I'll be voting here today.
Jarema sheeps and votes me despite making the focus of the post questioning NB for a not-vote that doesn't exist. Not sure if this is legit or attempt at diversion/getting derp-cleared. I also didn't like his final 'to seal it, I'll vote Autolycus' post yesterday. And everything below still stands out to me but TLDR: The repeated opportunistic/sheeping votes on townies and lack of explanations/reasons bother me.
WRT Jarema
I still don't like his votes/responses and he's now scummiest to me. Unlike NB, he first avoided and then quickly switched to the lynch of SV. I feel like the interaction/weird mutual votes between them yesterday were possibly scum-scum distancing. SV was pretty obviously going to be the lynch after GK the day before so bussing wasn't out of the question and during previous GK-SV phase Jarema i) started with his strange vote on Zain and ii) then switched to GK, otherwise staying quiet, even when questioned about the vote on Zain.
[B]Jarema's votes stand out as opportunistic/weird. Votes Edse (let's create some pressure here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674959&highlight=#post2053674959)) which felt opportunistic after Winston's post and weird after mine; Zain (? no reason? - hasn't responded to questioning (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676027&highlight=#post2053676027)); GH (ok because Scum, but no reasons given, simply 'too' (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053675523&highlight=#post2053675523)). SV because 'among top picks yesterday and still are today (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053676358&highlight=#post2053676358)' also weird/?opportunistic (also, third vote :P). Most active when pushed by Sips for votes which is null for now but ?overdefensive.
Gun to head Al Sips and Jarema are the most scummy to me right now.
I'd be happy with a lynch on either. I wish I had more time to look Sips' ISO/vote pattern but I'm going to YOLO and return to my early game read of Vote: Al Sips based on gut and the direct, unexplained contradictions above.
I will be on mobile whilst out tonight to shift back to Jarema if required, but that's where I'm at. I am a definite mislynch today.
TLDR:
If I'm mislynched/die tonight and it's not definitely related to poisoning, I'd be using my Town flip to look at Jarema/Sips unless you think JHT plays low posting, high-bussing scum or that, as scum, Nightbringer is more likely to vote SV two days in a row (over a townie in the initial instance) than Jarema is to avoid the discussion/votes on SV when they first arise and then suddenly vote him out the gate the next day when he's pretty much guaranteed to go down.
GLGL!
Al Sipsclar
12-30-2015, 09:10
Cass,
Like Winston said, khaan's lynch was a headshot. Little could save him, so mafia could just as well bus him. Participating in khaan's lynch is not really clearing you.
Similarly, SV was a marked man after G1K's mislynch. Bringing him up for lynch is not really clearing NB. "Unlikely" doesn't mean "impossible".
So, you and NB have the most chances of being the bussing scum.
I played with Jarema and JHT before, and I can see how they could be town. I don't have this benefit with you or NB, so you two appear less towny to me. I'm eliminating the unknowns.
You might have been cured by Raith or Auto (less likely, since I believe Auto didn't have a night action). If the healer is still alive, he's also voting to lynch you. We're voting to lynch you because we're expecting you to die from poison anyway. The right thing to do for the healer would be to confirm he healed you, so the poisoning would not be a reason to lynch you. He should have nothing to be afraid of, since there's not much left to do in the game. So I guess, there's no healer.
I wish I could help you, but since you're voting me, there's not much I can do for you.
Cass,
Like Winston said, khaan's lynch was a headshot. Little could save him, so mafia could just as well bus him. Participating in khaan's lynch is not really clearing you.
Similarly, SV was a marked man after G1K's mislynch. Bringing him up for lynch is not really clearing NB. "Unlikely" doesn't mean "impossible".
So, you and NB have the most chances of being the bussing scum.
I played with Jarema and JHT before, and I can see how they could be town. I don't have this benefit with you or NB, so you two appear less towny to me. I'm eliminating the unknowns.
You might have been cured by Raith or Auto (less likely, since I believe Auto didn't have a night action). If the healer is still alive, he's also voting to lynch you. We're voting to lynch you because we're expecting you to die from poison anyway. The right thing to do for the healer would be to confirm he healed you, so the poisoning would not be a reason to lynch you. He should have nothing to be afraid of, since there's not much left to do in the game. So I guess, there's no healer.
I wish I could help you, but since you're voting me, there's not much I can do for you.
1. The same reasoning for the Khaan lynch logically existed when you illogically said it made me top Town;
2. I still think Jarema's avoid then vote SV the next day is more scummy than NB's constant push;
3. Just because you know a player doesn't mean they're Town. Explain thoroughly, in the context of the game. Just because we're 'unknown' doesn't make us good lynches at this point in the game;
4. The healer could be voting me because everyone else is and they don't want to be NK or I could be the healer, have healed everyone who claimed this game including myself and have played terribly/with less time than anticipated.
5. You could vote Jarema
There's not much anyone can do for me at this point since noone else is around.
Why do you wish to help me if you think I'm scum. Timing is terrible and baby screaming - sorry Town GL
End of Day Seven
Cass_ was lynched! Town
Alive: 4/20
1. Jarema
13. Al Sipsclar
15. Nightbringer
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 16/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
16. Autolycus, lynched D6, town.
6. Zain, killed N6, town.
17. Cass_, lynched D7, town.
Nightbringer
12-30-2015, 11:40
Swing and a miss, but is interesting in its own way. I'm becoming less and less trusting of Al Sips, Jarema, and JHT. The final mafia is bound to be one of those three, so lets get em guys.
oh wait...
Nightbringer
12-30-2015, 11:43
In case I die tonight, my gut is leaning towards JHT. Too non-committal and bandwagon-y the last few days.
Also, my apologies cass, but thank you for the final contribution!
End of Night Seven
Al Sipsclar was killed! Town
Alive: 3/20
1. Jarema
15. Nightbringer
18. Johnhughthom
Dead: 17/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
16. Autolycus, lynched D6, town.
6. Zain, killed N6, town.
17. Cass_, lynched D7, town.
13. Al Sipsclar, killed N7, town.
Nightbringer
01-01-2016, 10:40
Happy New Year!
and oh dear, last chance.
For the moment, vote: JHT
Need to do some reading though.
After reading through the game forum my suspicion leans toward vote: Nightbringer. Just tries too hard.
johnhughthom
01-02-2016, 10:20
Vote: Nightbringer
Weak cases could be made against any of us, pretty much just a vote and hope from me.
Unfortunate timing for a final round, I almost missed it.
Exciting final round. All three have posted so that's it.
Out on the town so reveal when I get home.
End of Day Eight
Nightbringer was lynched! Town
John stabs Jarrema in the back, finishing his reconquest of the city he once called home.
Alive: 1/20
18. Johnhughthom, victorious, Third Party - Former Head of the Snake Cult.
Dead: 19/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.
5. seireikhaan, lynched D2, mafia.
20. Scarlett Aria, killed N2, town.
2. GeneralHankerchief, lynched D3, third party.
12. El Barto, killed N3, mafia.
4. Cuthillius, killed N3, town.
7. landlubber, poisoned N3, town.
3. Golden1Knight, lynched D4, town.
8. edse, killed N4, town.
14. Winston Hughes, killed N4, town.
19. Severing viper, lynched D5, mafia.
10. Raith Kemmler, killed N5, town.
16. Autolycus, lynched D6, town.
6. Zain, killed N6, town.
17. Cass_, lynched D7, town.
13. Al Sipsclar, killed N7, town.
15. Nightbringer, lynched D8, town.
1. Jarema, endgamed D8, town.
Congrats to johnhughthom and GeneralHankerchief for winning the game.
Quicktopics: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/waq4meiExTTQ - John and GH
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/MsuJqydZErC - Dead QT
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yyunGxuSYQd9B - Mafia QT
Hope you all enjoyed the game. Certainly had a lot of variance swings with Winston nailing Khaan and John killing Barto.
Lots of town PRs died early.
Thanks to everyone for playing, have a happy new year.
Role PMs:
Cass:
You are the Apothecary. Each day phase starting d2 you may choose to heal someone of poison. It will not come into effect until EOD.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Healed all victims.
You are a town poisoner. Each night starting night 1, you may submit a target to be poisoned. They will die at the end of the next day.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Only targeted landlubber, along with mafia, double dose of poison killed him immediately.
Winston Hughes
You are a town tracker. Each night starting night 1, you may target a player and see who they visit.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Tracked Khaan, big help for the town.
Beskar:
You are the Assistant. If the apothecary dies you will take over their role.
You win when all threats to the town are defeated.
Died D1, lol.
Scarlett Aria:
You are a Jailkeeper.
Each night starting night 1 you may target a player and will stop them from performing an action and prevent them from harm.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
GeneralHankerchief:
You are the Traitor.
You are aligned with the Snake Cult, but do not know who they are. They know of your existence but not that you are the Traitor.
You remember an old oath you swore long ago, of unwavering allegiance. Perhaps it will come into play.
You win when nothing can prevent a Snake Cult victory.
A knock on your door, unexpected at this time of night. You grab a blade and open the door, to your surprise, it is Johnhughthom, the original cult leader. He asks for your support in overthrowing the cult and the corrupt court. Your bonds call you, the Snake Cult is no longer your master.
You are aligned with JHT, you share a kill, you win when nothing can prevent your victory.
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/waq4meiExTTQ
johnhughthom:
You are the Leader of the Snake Cult.
Long ago you created the Snake Cult, but it became twisted and warped out of its original meaning. You left on a journey of an enlightenment and have returned to stake your claim. But you cannot do it by yourself, and the old members would not accept you.
You are a third party. Each night starting night 1, you can scan for the undercover Cultist. He does not know of your existence, but he might suspect. He does not know his handlers (the mafia) and they do not know him. If you find him, he will remember the oath he swore and you will become a singular faction with one nightkill per night.
Being the head of the Snake Cult has given you some benefits, you are immune to all forms of poison, and will be able to survive any threat headed your way, once.
You win when nothing can prevent your victory. Good luck.
Mafia:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yyunGxuSYQd9B
You three are the leaders of the Snake Cult.
El Barto is a roleblocker.
Severing Viper is a role scanner.
Seireikhaan is a poisoner.
Please check your quicktopic for more details.
GeneralHankerchief
01-02-2016, 16:17
Welcome to the .Org metagame. :evilgrin:
GG all, will have more to say later.
Nightbringer
01-02-2016, 20:14
Damn you work for making me do a double shift on the last day! I maybe could have done something!
Nightbringer
01-02-2016, 20:15
Damn you work for making me do a double shift on the last day! I maybe could have done something!
Did have a lot of fun though. GG all!
congratulations mafia.
After re-reading the thread, at last day, it was for me like 80% chance that Nightbringer is scum, and only 20 that it is jht
Scarlett Aria
01-02-2016, 20:28
:( :(
GeneralHankerchief
01-02-2016, 21:23
Okay, speaking somewhat officially as the moderator/de facto ambassador here, I found this game very fascinating to watch once I was removed from it mostly because I was interested in seeing how things would play out when a large portion of players - particularly those dominating discussion - were new here.
For the longest time, our site's meta has done things somewhat differently in terms of game mechanics. The two biggest that were at play here were that we usually don't do straight-up post-death reveals (though this could potentially be changing) and we allow discussion after death, mostly to keep things fun. The way this has worked is that our playerbase has built up their skills in an environment where very little is taken for granted, ever.
When I saw that people were clearing John because he had gone after two separate people that had flipped scum and not really examining things any further, I knew that the game was pretty much in the bag. This was halfway through! When you're not given that certainty and clarity in terms of post-death reveals, it's much harder to be manipulated by busing and the like. You need to be constantly at the top of your game, second-guessing yourself, and examining cases on their own merit more so than association.
Playing in an environment like this when you're not used to it probably comes as an unfriendly shock at first, but in the long run I think it makes for a better player. Combine this with the fact that John is basically the last person you want to leave alive in the endgame, ever, and this series of events was pretty much a perfect storm in favor of John's victory (I shared in it but played very little of a part considering I was recruited the night before I died). Also, I note with some amusement I handed you guys JHT's endgame strategy on a silver platter and it went completely overlooked because I happened to flip scum:
As for alternate candidates, I'm still aboard the JHT train. JHT's vote on khaan tells me very little, and he's bussed people in the past.
:laugh4:
All that aside, I hope everyone enjoyed their experience and will stick around for a while, maybe even for a game that has a more .Org-specific meta than an apparently standardized one. :bow: Once again, GG all, congrats to John, and thanks Visor for hosting! :yes:
Winston Hughes
01-02-2016, 22:03
Good game, really enjoyed it. Thanks to everyone, and especially to all the new and returning players, for making it so.
Just tries too hard.
For future reference:
Trying hard =/= scumtell
johnhughthom alive at lylo = scumtell
Annoyingly I scum-telled majority of the mafia on first day then died. :laugh4: Damn.
landlubber
01-02-2016, 22:06
Masterful play by JHT, fantastically done.
Scarlett Aria
01-02-2016, 22:20
I had fun playing this game despite dying early. *shakes fist at Viper* It was slow paced but gave me much for time to think things through.
Golden1Knight
01-03-2016, 01:16
Great game :D
Al Sipsclar
01-03-2016, 04:16
GG, thanks!
El Barto
01-03-2016, 04:54
Nice game, but I can't understand why no one looked at jht. Get those bloody lurkers!
If you liked it, join another one:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151262-Signups-mafia-v-cult
Raith Kemmler
01-03-2016, 05:27
I put too much stock in GH trying to lynch him.
Any comments on the setup/balance?
Mafia definitely got hit bad with variance. John killing widely town read Barto, Winston tagging khaan.
I had suspicions on El Barto and Severing from the first day, but nothing ever came out of that due to obvious reasons. :sad:
Though GHs' play during that first day did remind Subotans' China-Mafia game.
I think the mafia did very good considering. There was on many occasions where I peek on the thread and gone "Why is he still alive?!" in my mind.
El Barto
01-04-2016, 00:58
Any comments on the setup/balance?
Mafia definitely got hit bad with variance. John killing widely town read Barto, Winston tagging khaan.
:yes:
How did jht's stealing GH away from us work, exactly? Would he have been able to convert jht if we had found GH first?
Also, join my game, everyone.
If you found gh first, he would become a member of your team, and John would get a solo kill.
El Barto
01-04-2016, 02:47
So he'd've become, in effect, a serial killer. (Which he became anyway).
btw this is the first time that I'm so townie that the mafia kill me for townie-ness. Weird.
So he'd've become, in effect, a serial killer. (Which he became anyway).
btw this is the first time that I'm so townie that the mafia kill me for townie-ness. Weird.
Imo, you could have been caught out from your lack of care of who got lynched.
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/998-Internet-Lyfe
Game on mu needs a few more players.
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