Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

[Visor]

Welcome all. This game is "Rise of the Snake Cult" involving no actual cults. Surprise surprise.

http://stuffershack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Oro.jpg

Rules:
• 48 hour days and 24 hour night phases.
• You may not talk after death except for a 'go town' style comment. There will be a dead quicktopic if you want to talk (or a skype chat).
• Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
• No screenshots, etc.
• You may NOT talk to players outside the thread.
• You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice. The vote tag is not essential but please make it very clear who you are voting for, I would suggest only bolding names for votes, never for emphasis.
• If you are replaced or WOG killed, please do not post in the thread.
• For votes that end in a tie, there will be a tiebreaking period after the lynch where the next vote/unvote will decide.
• No lynch is allowed.
• Please don't edit posts with votes.
• If you miss two day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed.
• Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
• Alignment will be revealed on death.

Info pertaining to the game:
The game will run from anywhere between 13-20 players. It will have no cults. It will have a few slightly different powers and twist on game mechanics but nothing too ground breaking.

Players: 20/20 (max)
1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
5. seireikhaan
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
9. Csargo
10. Raith Kemmler
11. Beskar
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper
20. Scarlett Aria

Reserves:
1. Zack
2. Choxorn

[Jarema]

uh, ok

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let's do it. :smoking:

[Golden1Knight]

I'm in.

[Cuthillius]

I'll join. Would be appreciated if you could shoot me a message on another site when this starts- MU would be ideal. :)

[seireikhaan]

:charge:

[Zain]

I would like to play too, been inactive but the colder weather always draws me back to the Org. :yes:

In if you will allow me :bow:

[landlubber]

I'll play.

[edse]

I can't be the only one who read "Rise of The Santa Claus" at first glance, right?

In.

[Csargo]

In.

[Raith Kemmler]

Why is always snakes? Why not a Panda cult? Or a male angler fish?

In.

[Beskar]

In.

[Zack]

I'll be a reserve. Move me in to full-time if you don't get enough players.

[Choxorn]

I'm busy with finals for the next couple of weeks, so put me down as a reserve too.

[El Barto]

In.

Chokusornu-san, Zaku-san, prease to reconsider. Vaisorusurashu-san arways derays by quite a bit.

[Al Sipsclar]

Count me in.

[Winston Hughes]

Aye, go on then.

(You had me at 'nothing too groundbreaking'.)

[Nightbringer]

Lemme IN please :)

[autolycus]

Hey, who you calling an invertebrate.

[Zain]

Excited for this game :yes:

[Zack]

Excited for this game :yes:

This game is excited for me.

[El Barto]

In Soviet Russia…

[Visor]

Thanks for the quick signups guys.

Welcome back btw Zain.

I'll probably close signups in 24 hours or so, and start 24 hours or so after that.

[johnhughthom]

Sure.

[SeveringViper]

Hello~ I know Visor from elsewhere, heard about this game, and thought I'd join. :3

[Zain]

Thanks Visor! The Org is still alive after all these years, may be more relaxed, but the pulse is apparent!

edit: Welcome to the Org new guys/gals! :medievalcheers:

[Winston Hughes]

I know Visor from elsewhere

Aye, he does get around, our Visor.

Spends his days gettin' blazed* and playing mafiawolf with any who'll take him.

*By the sun, obviously - as an Australasian, we can assume he spends at least nine hours per day on the beach. Rumours that Visor is some kind of massive dope fiend have been comprehensively debunked, and found to originate in the deranged ramblings of one M. McGinty who is, him/herself, suspected of being 'on something'.

[Scarlett Aria]

In and ready to play

[Scarlett Aria]

I know Visor and Severing

[Visor]

Alright, thats 20. I'll wait for Cass to post, but in the meantime I'll write the roles and all that. Expect to start late tomorrow night (my time).

[Cass_]

Eeep! I'm here, I'm here!

Still keen, thanks for adding/having me :)

*is another one who meet Visor elsewhere, and who should theoretically be spending the majority of my days getting blazed* ;D

Nice to meet you all!

[Cass_]

*met Visor elsewhere

:rolleyes:

[Cass_]

*fails at phone posting*

[Scarlett Aria]

Eeep! I'm here, I'm here!

Still keen, thanks for adding/having me :)

*is another one who meet Visor elsewhere, and who should theoretically be spending the majority of my days getting blazed* ;D

Nice to meet you all!

Hi Cass :happy:

[GeneralHankerchief]

oh god I have to be an ambassador I forget how to do this

Welcome everybody! Hope you'll stick around for a while. :bow:

[Cass_]

Hi Cass :happy:

Why hello, Red You! :)



oh god I have to be an ambassador I forget how to do this

Welcome everybody! Hope you'll stick around for a while. :bow:

Lol, wait to you see us play first... ;) (But TY :) )

[Jarema]

Lol, wait to you see us play first... ;) (But TY :) )

its always nice to meet some fresh meat new pals!

[El Barto]

*fails at phone posting*
:stare: vote: Cass_

[Cass_]

its always nice to meet some fresh meat new pals!

:D I'll... Take your word ;)



:stare: vote: Cass_
Lol ... vote: Samsung IMO. Wait til you see the autotext fails! :wall:

[Visor]

Okay, the setup is finalised (thanks stork for a giving me a hand).

Role Pms will be sent out shortly and day will begin in an hour. Good luck.

[Visor]

Day One:

PLEASE READ THE RULES IN THE OP - THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED.

A poisoned Duke, and a snake styled ring have been found in the morning after the harvest festival. Something is amiss in the Court, and it must be rooted out.

You have 48 hours to discuss your situation and lynch someone. There is no majority, only deadline lynch.

[Visor]

One last note: There may or may not be anti claim mechanics. Claim at your own risk.



A sample town PM.


You are a minor member of the Court, you are a vanilla villager.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Good luck.

If you have any questions please PM me on here or on skype. Think before doing something that might break a rule or not be allowed.

[Cass_]

Wheeeeeeeeeee!

First!

*Bounces*

[Zain]

The Duke is dead, the Duke is dead! Oh no, what shall we do without our precious Duke?!


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[Raith Kemmler]

Wheeeeeeeeeee!

First!

*Bounces*

Bouncing with joy when the Duke is dead?

Vote:Cass

[Scarlett Aria]

The ghost of pizza thinks I should vote Vote: El berato

[edse]

Time to blindly follow the ghost of Pizza Vote: El Brato

[Scarlett Aria]

When are the most active posting times here btw?

[Winston Hughes]

When are the most active posting times here btw?

They usually occur between Visor claiming third party and us lynching him for it, iirc.

[Winston Hughes]

Oh, and vote: johnhughthom, obviously.

[Scarlett Aria]

They usually occur between Visor claiming third party and us lynching him for it, iirc.

This kind of makes sense to me but i'm skeptical about his claims when I play with him.

[Beskar]

One last note: There may or may not be anti claim mechanics. Claim at your own risk.

Never heard of anti-claim mechanics other than getting night killed or lynched for claiming before.

[Winston Hughes]

This kind of makes sense to me but i'm skeptical about his claims when I play with him.

A wise policy (for my own part, I tend to skip the skeptical stage and move straight into raging paranoia).

Where in the mafiaverse do you hail from?

[Raith Kemmler]

Or some of the players have mechanical knowledge to vet claims?

[Scarlett Aria]

A wise policy (for my own part, I tend to skip the skeptical stage and move straight into raging paranoia).

Where in the mafiaverse do you hail from?

The only type I'm not skeptical is if caps come from him. :p I'm from personality cafe.

[Scarlett Aria]

I play on mafia universe too.

[Beskar]

Or some of the players have mechanical knowledge to vet claims?

Ah, this game has ran before then?

[Raith Kemmler]

Ah, this game has ran before then?

No, I'm thinking some of the players could have gotten information about the format packaged with their roles. Less likely than dropping dead after a claim, but it's another way to make role dropping dangerous.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Raith Kemmler for apparently knowing something we don't know.

I lean town on Winston so far.

[autolycus]

vote: Scarlett Aria

Met Visorslash elsewhere? It must be at cult headquarters :P

[SeveringViper]

vote: Scarlett Aria

Met Visorslash elsewhere? It must be at cult headquarters :P

Nah, that's where we met, she's just an intern. Yet helpful enough~ :P

Anyway, Raith, I see you joined here for this game as well? Might as well target the obvious competition first, it's a fair tactic :3
Vote: Raith Kemmler

[SeveringViper]

vote: Scarlett Aria

Met Visorslash elsewhere? It must be at cult headquarters :P

Nope, that's where we met, she's an intern. A pretty helpful one, however. :3

Anyway, Raith, I see we both joined here for this game. Mind if I consider you competition? Of course you don't~
Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Scarlett Aria]

vote: Scarlett Aria

Met Visorslash elsewhere? It must be at cult headquarters :P

Do I know you by any chance?

[Cass_]

Do I know you by any chance?

*Watches, with popcorn*

[Raith Kemmler]

Anyway, Raith, I see you joined here for this game as well? Might as well target the obvious competition first, it's a fair tactic :3
Vote: Raith Kemmler

You snake!


Vote: Raith Kemmler for apparently knowing something we don't know.

Yep. Obvious open speculation. Totally proof I know things.

And if I did, that would indicate I'm mafia...how?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hi folks,

For our new members, is anyone experiencing an issue where their posts are "pending approval" after they're submitted? This should not be the case and I want to see if the issue goes beyond the member who first brought it to my attention.

[Cass_]

Hi folks,

For our new members, is anyone experiencing an issue where their posts are "pending approval" after they're submitted? This should not be the case and I want to see if the issue goes beyond the member who first brought it to my attention.

Not an issue here, apparently I can even double post without approval *g* Ta for checking though

[Raith Kemmler]

No issues on my end.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, good. Now, to business.

Vote: khaan

[Al Sipsclar]

Yep. Obvious open speculation. Totally proof I know things.

And if I did, that would indicate I'm mafia...how?

Well, you know, the mafia being the informed minority... and you appearing informed... and in minority, too.

[Raith Kemmler]

Well, you know, the mafia being the informed minority... and you appearing informed... and in minority, too.

I wouldn't have much incentive to share this knowledge day 1 then wouldn't I?

I'm not sure if this is just really desperate grasping, or a bold push? Don't think the second, seems weird so early in the day.

[landlubber]

Hello everyone.

Gut instinct is giving me a scum lean on vote:Beskar. It seems like he's deliberately playing up the "in-the-dark townie" thing. Everyone else is striking me as reasonably townie so far. I like Raith's reaction to Al Sips's prodding. Very much what I would expect from a townie.

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote: Raith Kemmler for apparently knowing something we don't know.

I lean town on Winston so far.

How is it suspicious to you? It just seems like speculation post to me. Unless speculation is thought of as scummy here?

[Scarlett Aria]

Hi folks,

For our new members, is anyone experiencing an issue where their posts are "pending approval" after they're submitted? This should not be the case and I want to see if the issue goes beyond the member who first brought it to my attention.

No problem so far.

[edse]

How is it suspicious to you? It just seems like speculation post to me. Unless speculation is thought of as scummy here?

People like to say PIS (perfect information syndrome) after speculation posts. The weird thing is that for them to know that the speculation poster knows too much, they know too much, otherwise they wouldn't know that the speculation poster "know" too much.

Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Beskar]

Okay, good. Now, to business.

Vote: khaan

Yes, indeed.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief :smash:

[Raith Kemmler]

Unvote;

Not enough action in this thread.

Vote: Nightbringer, Cuthilious, GoldenKnight. Make with the talky talky please.

Only Day 1, so it's not like the bar for productive gab is that high.

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Cuthilious

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Winston Hughes

Note to new people: Winston and I vote each other round 1 in every game we are both playing. This is a much loved tradition, and in no way a crutch which allows us both to get through round 1 without attracting attention.

Thank you.

[El Barto]

I can confirm the above statement by johnhughthumb. That individual is no gentleman, thus, he wouldn't be able to carry on with a gentleman's agreement with Lady Weston-Hoges' nephew.

Also, being much of a gentleman myself, I stand by my earlier words and vote: Cass_

[El Barto]

Time to blindly follow the ghost of Pizza Vote: El Brato
I can't tell whether you were voting for me or not. If you were, you are a filthy Swede, if you weren't, then why are you voting for non-existent players?

When are the most active posting times here btw?
Usually it's at the time people post the most.

This kind of makes sense to me but i'm skeptical about his claims when I play with him.
Do you or have you ever engaged in bondage-related activities with Monsieur de Visorslash? As Mr. Hughes has stated, Monsieur de Visorslash likes to play third party.

[Al Sipsclar]

People like to say PIS (perfect information syndrome) after speculation posts. The weird thing is that for them to know that the speculation poster knows too much, they know too much, otherwise they wouldn't know that the speculation poster "know" too much.

Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar

But what about people who know that the people, saying that the speculation poster knows too much, know too much? That's, like, even more perfect, triple-distilled information. Vote: edse

[seireikhaan]

Okay, good. Now, to business.

Vote: khaan
Rude!

Vote: GH

[El Barto]

But what about people who know that the people, saying that the speculation poster knows too much, know too much? That's, like, even more perfect, triple-distilled information. Vote: edse
Couldn't you have just invoked a deity of your choice and then claimed edse engaged in acts of suction?

[landlubber]

In my admittedly limited observation of Al Sips, he's unabashedly bold (or reckless, depending on how you look at it, I suppose). Those of you who suspect him based on that behavior are probably reading too far into it.

[Jarema]

vote: Cuthillius.

Hi there

[GeneralHankerchief]

In my admittedly limited observation of Al Sips, he's unabashedly bold (or reckless, depending on how you look at it, I suppose). Those of you who suspect him based on that behavior are probably reading too far into it.

You've been a lot more active than in khaan's game.

[Al Sipsclar]

I'd love for the scum to be reckless or bold, unabashedly or not. Alas, they usually try to keep low profile, lurk in the shadows. That's understandable, since the more active they are, the more mistakes they are bound to make. That's why I like to stir the pot a little. Even if they don't react and stay low - that's still a result, we can note who's been lurking. So either way, you're better be active.

[Nightbringer]

Unvote;

Not enough action in this thread.

Vote: Nightbringer, Cuthilious, GoldenKnight. Make with the talky talky please.

Only Day 1, so it's not like the bar for productive gab is that high.

Talk is cheap, votes are not.

vote: Raith Kemmler

(and no, that doesn't make any sense.)

[Scarlett Aria]

I can't tell whether you were voting for me or not. If you were, you are a filthy Swede, if you weren't, then why are you voting for non-existent players?

Usually it's at the time people post the most.

Do you or have you ever engaged in bondage-related activities with Monsieur de Visorslash? As Mr. Hughes has stated, Monsieur de Visorslash likes to play third party.

Lol no but Monsieur visor needs to stop randing mafia in turbos.

[Scarlett Aria]

Unvote; Vote:El Brato

[Scarlett Aria]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

[edse]

I can't tell whether you were voting for me or not. If you were, you are a filthy Swede, if you weren't, then why are you voting for non-existent players?.

You sure know how to insult people El Baritone. I was merely playing with your name since Scarlett misspelled it in the post before (and did again :P )

[edse]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

1. I would ruthlessly spread hints around me untill I hang.

2. Not like this, that's for sure.

[Beskar]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

What is a closed setup?

[landlubber]

You've been a lot more active than in khaan's game.

Finals are over in two days. I've come back from hell.

[Zain]

A poisoned Duke, and a snake styled ring have been found in the morning after the harvest festival. Something is amiss in the Court, and it must be rooted out...

After meticulous reading and analysis of the players, the only logical hint I can afford is this snake reference. Therefore...

Vote:Severing Viper

Also thank Random.org :bow:

[SeveringViper]

What is a closed setup?

What is a closed setup?

A setup (like this) where there is an unknown mix of roles. That is, not a vanilla game, where it's known there's at most a cop and/or doctor, or an open/semi-open setup, where the exact roles or a list of potential roles present, respectively, are given in the opening post.


After meticulous reading and analysis of the players, the only logical hint I can afford is this snake reference. Therefore...

Vote:Severing Viper

Also thank Random.org :bow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWjTyOdFVI :bow:

I was wondering if/when someone would pull something like this ~;p

[SeveringViper]

.......Kindly pretend I didn't quote that twice.

[Beskar]

A setup (like this) where there is an unknown mix of roles. That is, not a vanilla game, where it's known there's at most a cop and/or doctor, or an open/semi-open setup, where the exact roles or a list of potential roles present, respectively, are given in the opening post.

Thank you, Viper. Then I will answer the questions.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

This is the easier question of the two. If it is unknown quantity, lynch it, kill it, burn it in fire. Most unknown roles are against the scum, so having a powerful individual with power is a threat and trying to 'invite them in' always turns out bad for the scum who in all essence, can hide. The town is generally disorganised and suspicious, don't need boy wonder to reveal the secrets of the universe so easily.

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

This is the harder one, mostly because not all power roles are your friends. There has been multiple occasions they have negatives such as being a serial killer/renegade which makes them equal to the scum on the priority lynch-list. There is also the instances of false-claims, after all, scum know who other scum are, so can feign a detective for instance, and even 3rd parties wouldn't be so quick to come forward to correct an innocent result. Generally, there is usually recognition of the role, such as a doctors actions can appear in a write up, similar to role-blocker and other roles, and it is usually handy for 'confirmed townies' roles to work together such as a doctor protecting a known role-blocker who can speak with a voice. However, this game has no out of game communication which makes liasion like this very risky, but a rule of thumb is: If the scum doesn't try to kill them, then there is a reason why if they are unknowns. Thus off to the lynch they go.

tl;dr version of both is: Kill them unless proven otherwise, and even then they are still suspicious wildcard factor.

[Cass_]

** Anybody know why quotes aren't getting added to my reply box? (Doesn't matter which of the quote buttons I click, nothing new is getting added).


I didn't think Beskar was playing the 'in the dark townie thing' initially - #52 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674445&viewfull=1#post2053674445) 'Never heard of anti-claim mechanics other than getting night killed or lynched for claiming before' read more knowing than spacey to me, but the fact his second question was 'what's a closed setup?' (#95) pushes it a bit.

@Beskar - how many games have you played?

I don't see anything suspicious about Raith's speculation that players may have more mechanical knowledge.
I like the way Raith handled Al Sipsclar's vote etc and the fact that he later prodded inactives.

I agree with Al Sipsclar in #88 that it's better to be active and stir the pot. However, I can't tell how serious he is with his votes so far and if he's serious I'm not a fan of the votes/reasoning for votes on Raith or Edse, or the way he switched to Edse after people didn't follow him on Raith. I do recognise this could be just looking for a response.

@Al Sipsclar - What made you lean Town on Winston in the middle of your vote on Raith in post #59 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674459&viewfull=1#post2053674459) ? At that point he'd made like three posts.


On others:
@El Barto - Are you playing seriously yet? Literally all of your responses (#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674515&viewfull=1#post2053674515) OMGUS! :P and #81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674518&viewfull=1#post2053674518), #84 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674540&viewfull=1#post2053674540)) have been tongue-in-cheek and not much else. Is that a thing for you/here on D1?

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: Cass_. You're posting, but not voting. Why?

My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
Also, El Barto is always unreadable.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

1. Exactly the same way as Scenario #2.

2. Exactly the same way as Scenario #1.

[Al Sipsclar]

Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?

Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?

[El Barto]

Lol no but Monsieur visor needs to stop randing mafia in turbos.
He's not mafia, he's third party!

Unvote; Vote:El Brato
I do not consider that a valid vote.

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
1: Kill the town, win.
2: Kill the mafia, win.

Vote: Cass_. You're posting, but not voting. Why?

My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
Also, El Barto is always unreadable.
Whaat? I post in English using the Latin alphabet. I could be using other languages and/or alphabets at you. But, still, at least you follow reason and vote for Cass_.

[Beskar]

I didn't think Beskar was playing the 'in the dark townie thing' initially - #52 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674445&viewfull=1#post2053674445) 'Never heard of anti-claim mechanics other than getting night killed or lynched for claiming before' read more knowing than spacey to me, but the fact his second question was 'what's a closed setup?' (#95) pushes it a bit.

@Beskar - how many games have you played?


I played regularly on the Org around.. 3 years ago? First time after a long break.

First question is I have never had a game where someone claimed something in-game have in resulting on GM effects on their roles, which is an interesting idea but I have never experienced that in a game before so I am unfamiliar with such a set-up being used.

Second one you pointed out, I was unfamiliar with the term "closed set-up" so I was asking for clarity if it meant "not communicating outside of thread" or simply "unknown quantity of roles" which it was clarified as. So it seems if I used my initial assumption, I would have been answering incorrectly. The latter I usually put that down as 'typical Org mafia game' as we rarely played vanilla, especially in my games.

Eitherway, I am not clueless or intending to be as such.

[Cuthillius]

Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?

Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?

Yes, but they didn't tell the internet here to stay up yesterday, unfortunately.

Vote:El barto doesn't seem very good right now. Can read through in more detail at another point.

[Raith Kemmler]

I was wondering if/when someone would pull something like this ~;p

At least we've managed to avoid the snake puns.


So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

Firstly, I'd ask this question before we started.

Second, I'd wonder if the mafia is idea starved and rooting around for information with this. But that's early paranoia.

Third, as town, I'd try to get a lot of information out there and be open to talking with the 3rd parties if possible. Don't know if they're hostile till they're hostile. Sprinkle with skepticism and an itchy lynch finger if unaccounted for kills or powers are flying around inconveniently.

As mafia? I'd either ignore your question, or lie to you point blank about what I was really doing.


Talk is cheap, votes are not.

vote: Raith Kemmler

(and no, that doesn't make any sense.)

No no no. It's day 1. Unless you're a master vote logician, day 1 votes are gibberish until you've had a few days to stew.

Talking is great day 1. The mafia don't yet know what the town culture's gonna be like. They have to make wild predictions and then try to be consistent later. Day 1 for a mafia is great if they can slink by with nothing but a vote. Or anything at all. I don't like the OMGUS here frankly. It makes me want to poke you more later.

[Raith Kemmler]

Double posting cool here?

Didn't see anything on the forum rules...

[Cass_]

Vote: Cass_. 1. You're posting, but not voting. Why?

2. My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
3 Also, El Barto is always unreadable.

Yey! quotes work! Added numbers for easy reference

1). Because I don't feel I have enough to go on to say someone's actually scummy yet - see your own comment in 2) and add in the fact I don't know how any of you traditionally play. Communication's important to me in this game. I typically look for things that I think have potential for scummy motive, question them and wait for the responses before I cast a vote.

Can you confirm if 2). was in response to my question about your Town read of Winston? If so, that was kind of my point - it seems weird to me to call someone Town with so little to go on ITT and I'm trying to understand if you have meta/Town tells on Winston that I wouldn't be aware of.

3). Can you elaborate? As in he never posts anything but jokes?

[Beskar]

Double posting cool here?

Didn't see anything on the forum rules...

I don't mind as long as the content is different and relevant. Sometimes things are simply easier in multiple posts than in one big one.

[Raith Kemmler]

Because I don't feel I have enough to go on to say someone's actually scummy yet - see your own comment in 2) and add in the fact I don't know how any of you traditionally play.

Meta's kind of a trap like that. It's too useful until you don't have it. You must have someone to settle on. Anyone. The vaguest idea? Someone you'd be at peace dying here if everyone else looked decent.

[El Barto]

Yes, but they didn't tell the internet here to stay up yesterday, unfortunately.

Vote:El barto doesn't seem very good right now. Can read through in more detail at another point.
Why do you cast a vote that -we both agree- is not a good vote?

At least we've managed to avoid the snake puns.
He'd managed to escape notice until you made that post. He won't wriggle out of that now!

Double posting cool here?

Didn't see anything on the forum rules...
Within limits, yes. Making one or two long-ish posts is considered better than making six posts in a row. This forum allows and encourages multioquoting.

3). Can you elaborate? As in he never posts anything but jokes?
I beg your pardon? My answers to ScarlettAria were 100% serious. Or maybe 99.99% serious.

[Cuthillius]

Why do you cast a vote that -we both agree- is not a good vote?

Tell me more.

[Cass_]

1: Kill the town, win.
2: Kill the mafia, win.

Whaat? I post in English using the Latin alphabet. I could be using other languages and/or alphabets at you. But, still, at least you follow reason and vote for Cass_.
These two actually made me lol.

For now, I take it your silence indicates that your gentlemanly response to my bold question below


@El Barto - Are you playing seriously yet? Literally all of your responses (#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674515&viewfull=1#post2053674515) OMGUS! :P and #81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674518&viewfull=1#post2053674518), #84 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674540&viewfull=1#post2053674540)) have been tongue-in-cheek and not much else. Is that a thing for you/here on D1?
is something along the lines of PAFO?

[El Barto]

Tell me more.
You say that it's not a good vote. I consider all votes on me to be bad votes, by definition. So, we agree that it's not a good vote.

For now, I take it your silence indicates that your gentlemanly response to my bold question below

@El Barto - Are you playing seriously yet? Literally all of your responses (#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674515&viewfull=1#post2053674515) OMGUS! :P and #81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674518&viewfull=1#post2053674518), #84 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-In-Play&p=2053674540&viewfull=1#post2053674540)) have been tongue-in-cheek and not much else. Is that a thing for you/here on D1?
is something along the lines of PAFO?
I am unaware of what PAFO stands for, my fair lady.

[Al Sipsclar]

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1). Because I don't feel I have enough to go on to say someone's actually scummy yet - see your own comment in 2) and add in the fact I don't know how any of you traditionally play. Communication's important to me in this game. I typically look for things that I think have potential for scummy motive, question them and wait for the responses before I cast a vote.

Can you confirm if 2). was in response to my question about your Town read of Winston? If so, that was kind of my point - it seems weird to me to call someone Town with so little to go on ITT and I'm trying to understand if you have meta/Town tells on Winston that I wouldn't be aware of.

3). Can you elaborate? As in he never posts anything but jokes?

It's day one. No one should look scummy yet. 5 bucks says that a hapless townie is going to be lynched today, and mafia don't even have to participate in the lynch. They would pull all the tricks to avoid the responsibility. They may happily vote off the wagon or for each other. But sometimes they have to move their vote to avoid being lynched on D1. So, voting early and seeing who voted who and when is important. It is your duty as a townie.

My read on Winston is totally metagamish and not a very definitive one. I might be totally wrong. El Barto is always very entertaining, but hard to tell for me if he's scummy. The only tell I have for him is that the more active he is, the more chances are he's town.

[Beskar]

I am unaware of what PAFO stands for, my fair lady.

Me neither... but I bet they don't know Rule #1!

[El Barto]

My read on Winston is totally metagamish and not a very definitive one. I might be totally wrong.
But this game you've been 100% on your guesses so far, voting me is a bad vote. What is your read on Winston, anyway?

El Barto is always very entertaining, but hard to tell for me if he's scummy. The only tell I have for him is that the more active he is, the more chances are he's town.
Hmmm… really.
Some would argue the exact opposite.

Me neither... but I bet they don't know Rule #1!
I wish you had stuck with Tiaexz as a name… A couple months ago I binged through OotS' archives (exactly 100 pages a day) so now I keep calling all female orc characters Therkla and keep calling you Belkar.

[landlubber]

I'd wonder if the mafia is idea starved and rooting around for information with this. But that's early paranoia.

I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).

About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.

[landlubber]

Double posting cool here?

Didn't see anything on the forum rules...

Yeah, nothing against it.

[El Barto]

I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).
Actually, we can improve on that.

*clears throat*
I, El barto, do hereby proclaim that all should select their nearest mafioso and tell them their role and capabilities.

About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.
Actually, what is consistent is my inconsistence. :clown:

Yeah, nothing against it.
Practical applications of the principle!

[Raith Kemmler]

I don't mind as long as the content is different and relevant. Sometimes things are simply easier in multiple posts than in one big one.

Thanks! I'll keep it sparing, just sometimes have a thought or something hours later and no one's posted.


I am unaware of what PAFO stands for, my fair lady.

Probably Play And Find Out.

Also can mean:

Pissed and Fell Over (a drunk in an ER)
Pull A Fast One
Protecting Australian Families Online (Australia)
Public Affairs Officer
Plastic Ankle-Foot Orthosis (medical support device)
Parenting Forum
Post Award Financial Operations
PA Foundation Online

[El Barto]

Thanks! I'll keep it sparing, just sometimes have a thought or something hours later and no one's posted.
Also, votes in edited posts don't count. So, if you edit a post, use a new post for a vote.
E.g. if I had wanted to vote, I couldn't have done so in post #122.

Probably Play And Find Out.

Also can mean:

Pissed and Fell Over (a drunk in an ER)
Pull A Fast One
Protecting Australian Families Online (Australia)
Public Affairs Officer
Plastic Ankle-Foot Orthosis (medical support device)
Parenting Forum
Post Award Financial Operations
PA Foundation Online
I'm inclined towards the fourth one you mention, taking into account the Antipodean character of some of the people involved here and also the fact that all four are content words.

[landlubber]

so you're just responding to literally every post no matter how irrelevant your response is

[Winston Hughes]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

1. Stay alive.

2. Find scum.

[autolycus]

In both cases, I tend to be quiet early game to not get killed and slowly ramp up my activity as I get more data from people die-ing. Then I lay out cases on people (either the people I think are scum, or the people who aren't on my team, if I am scum).

[El Barto]

so you're just responding to literally every post no matter how irrelevant your response is
nno

[Raith Kemmler]

Anyone want to get a vote count up and running?

If no one else gets on it, I'll make one in 4-5 hours when I'm home.

10 hours people.

[Csargo]

Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?

Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?

IT'S NOT ME!

[seireikhaan]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
1. Wouldn't answer that truthfully anyways.

2. See above.

[Scarlett Aria]

I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).

About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.

I asked those questions because i'm only familiar with 3 other players here. I do think Raith is slight town though.

[Csargo]

I asked those questions because i'm only familiar with 3 other players here. I do think Raith is slight town though.

How come you did not answer your own questions?

[Csargo]

Also, Vote:Beskar

Hi!

[El Barto]

How come you did not answer your own questions?
Have you answered those questions? :clown:

[Csargo]

Have you answered those questions? :clown:

Well...uh...umm...

runs

[Cuthillius]

You say that it's not a good vote. I consider all votes on me to be bad votes, by definition. So, we agree that it's not a good vote.

I said you don't look that good, not my vote.

Question to the thread at large: Who is Barto on cfc?

[landlubber]

El Barto = Takhisis

[Raith Kemmler]

Votes:

1 John: Winston Hughes
1 Scarlett: Autolycus
1 Khaan: GeneralHankerchief
1 Al Sipsclar: edse
1 Nightbringer: Raith Kemmler
1 Winston: Johnhughthom
1 Cass: El Barto
2 GeneralHankerchief: Beskar, seireikhaan
2 Cuthillius: GoldenKnight, Jarema
2 Raith: Viper, Nightbringer
1 Severing Viper: Zain
1 Cass: Al Sipsclar
2 El Barto: Scarlett, Cuthillius
2 Beskar: Landlubber, Csargo

No Vote: Cass

[GeneralHankerchief]

20-way tie! C'mon, we can do it! :cheerleader:

[Cuthillius]

El Barto = Takhisis

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

[Raith Kemmler]

Unvote;

Something like a third of the players have basically slinked through day 1.

I'd be okay with hanging a few of them. But idle wishing and with sun down approaching...

Vote: GH for being a dirty cheerleader to put someone into real contention.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, since I have no desire to be the D1 lynch:

Unvote: khaan
Vote: Beskar

[Scarlett Aria]

Oh gosh I forgot day ends at 4am..

[Scarlett Aria]

Votes:

1 John: Winston Hughes
1 Scarlett: Autolycus
1 Khaan: GeneralHankerchief
1 Al Sipsclar: edse
1 Nightbringer: Raith Kemmler
1 Winston: Johnhughthom
1 Cass: El Barto
2 GeneralHankerchief: Beskar, seireikhaan
2 Cuthillius: GoldenKnight, Jarema
2 Raith: Viper, Nightbringer
1 Severing Viper: Zain
1 Cass: Al Sipsclar
2 El Barto: Scarlett, Cuthillius
2 Beskar: Landlubber, Csargo

No Vote: Cass

I unvoted btw.

[El Barto]

I said you don't look that good, not my vote.
I don't look good? But I'm devilishly handsome!

Question to the thread at large: Who is Barto on cfc?

El Barto = Takhisis
You could only know that if you were seeing me on a QuickTopic, so you are clearly my mafia partner.

Well, since I have no desire to be the D1 lynch:

Unvote: khaan
Vote: Beskar
I'm very much tempted to vote you for that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So why aren't you?

[Scarlett Aria]

How come you did not answer your own questions?

Idk why I didn't answer my own question.

Town play: I would be pushing ideas out and looking for inconsistent style of play if I know the people. Otherwise i'm mainly asking questions if it's a new crowd.

Mafia play: It depends on my mood usually so very spontaneous, quiet like, or too townie to be town. Just a lot of things very.

[Scarlett Aria]

Severing is a slight town read and i'm wavering on Cass. General gives me a town gut vibe.

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote: Al Sipsclair His posts seem tmi upon reading the thread.

[El Barto]

Oh gosh I forgot day ends at 4am..
Whose 4 am?

So why aren't you?
:stare: I wanted to see if we could get Cass the non-voter to swing, but now you've dared me. Don't you dare dare me. unvote; vote:General Hankerchief

[Scarlett Aria]

Whose 4 am?

I'm GMT -6 for all who don't know so I won't be around for Day Starts much but I will try to be around for some day ends.

[El Barto]

OOC: Sometimes we get trouble with the timer function, but as I'll be at uni anyway I probably won't be available for the next 12-24 hours.

[Zain]

I'm GMT -6 for all who don't know so I won't be around for Day Starts much but I will try to be around for some day ends.

As am I, our host is Australian, correct?


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[Raith Kemmler]

I unvoted btw.

Okay, super confused until I scoured the thread. Slight formatting miscommunication.

When you unvote, you just say unvote and that cancels your last vote. Then you vote for whoever. If you vote: Example, and then Unvote; vote: Example, you're still voting for the same person, because the GM counts whatever the new vote:____. If that makes sense. I am kind of tired.


Severing is a slight town read and i'm wavering on Cass. General gives me a town gut vibe.

I like Cass' commentary. But the lack of a vote does bother. I'm giving a bit of town credit on loan until good voting appears.

[Scarlett Aria]

As am I, our host is Australian, correct?


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Yup. I'm CST.

[Scarlett Aria]

Why are people voting El btw? Besides his unreadable status?

[Raith Kemmler]

I won't be around for the turn's end either usually.

[Csargo]

Whose 4 am?

:stare: I wanted to see if we could get Cass the non-voter to swing, but now you've dared me. Don't you dare dare me. unvote; vote:General Hankerchief

So ends the mod of our fair Gameroom. Sentenced to death by that person who has been posting a lot lately aka El Barto aka Takhisis aka RP extraordinaire. He'll probably be missed, possibly. He was the best of us(unless he flips scum, which would make him the worst of us...)

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: GH

Vote: El Barto

Don't you touch my honeybun.

[Csargo]

So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.

1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?

2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?

I would mercilessly go after people who seemed suspicious for whatever small or inconspicuous reason until they're either lynched or killed.

Same as above.

Here comes khaan to ruin all the fun. He didn't even vote the right person either, geez. What's your game friend?

[Cass_]

Sorry, meant to get back earlier but hectic day.


Meta's kind of a trap like that. It's too useful until you don't have it. You must have someone to settle on. Anyone. The vaguest idea? Someone you'd be at peace dying here if everyone else looked decent.

Yes. At this point I was thinking gun to head Al Sipsclar for the reasons previously mentioned, the way he answered my questions/didn't answer questions about his read on Winston later on.

I understand El Barto will be difficult to read, but he amuses me and I'm finding if you look carefully he is kind of making some points - and they're more observations than really driving lynches towards low hanging fruite so I'm happy to keep him around for now. I'm guessing activity/voting patterns in later days will be key to figuring him out.

Beskar answered my questions fully here
I played regularly on the Org around.. 3 years ago? First time after a long break.

First question is I have never had a game where someone claimed something in-game have in resulting on GM effects on their roles, which is an interesting idea but I have never experienced that in a game before so I am unfamiliar with such a set-up being used.

Second one you pointed out, I was unfamiliar with the term "closed set-up" so I was asking for clarity if it meant "not communicating outside of thread" or simply "unknown quantity of roles" which it was clarified as. So it seems if I used my initial assumption, I would have been answering incorrectly. The latter I usually put that down as 'typical Org mafia game' as we rarely played vanilla, especially in my games.

Eitherway, I am not clueless or intending to be as such.
The response is essentially null but at least he outright said he's not clueless or intending to be - ergo, he's not hiding behind that and even if he was he can't now because he'll be caught out. I'm not sure yet whether he's more likely scummy or low hanging fruit. My next step is to look at vote trains (I know, I'm cutting it close).


You say that it's not a good vote. I consider all votes on me to be bad votes, by definition. So, we agree that it's not a good vote.

I am unaware of what PAFO stands for, my fair lady.
Yes, it's Play and Find Out. I like a challenge so ok for now!



It's day one. No one should look scummy yet. 5 bucks says that a hapless townie is going to be lynched today, and mafia don't even have to participate in the lynch. They would pull all the tricks to avoid the responsibility. They may happily vote off the wagon or for each other. But sometimes they have to move their vote to avoid being lynched on D1. So, voting early and seeing who voted who and when is important. It is your duty as a townie.

My read on Winston is totally metagamish and not a very definitive one. I might be totally wrong. El Barto is always very entertaining, but hard to tell for me if he's scummy. The only tell I have for him is that the more active he is, the more chances are he's town.

I don't disagree with the top stuff. But I do find it strange that with all the talk of the importance of voting, your vote remains on me. Why? You put it there after I highlighted your voting anyone who FoS'd you and you haven't taken it off even though I think I've done a good job of explaining my thought process and my concerns. The vote on Raith could have been Towny pressure to reaction fish, but the vote on Edse and I just feel too opportunistic/OMGUS.

[Scarlett Aria]

I agree with Cass on El making points. I don't think he should be lynched as he will probably have a lot to say later on. He reminds me of my unreadableness on my home site.

[Cass_]

0 Khaan:
0 Nightbringer:
1 John: Winston Hughes
1 Scarlett: Autolycus
1 Winston: Johnhughthom
1 Cass: El Barto
1 Severing Viper: Zain
1 Cass: Al Sipsclar
2 Raith: Viper, Nightbringer
2 GeneralHankerchief: Beskar, Raith Kemmler*
2 Cuthillius: GoldenKnight, Jarema
2 El Barto: Cuthillius, seireikhaan*

3 Al Sipsclar: edse, Scarlett*, Cass*
3 Beskar: Landlubber, Csargo, GeneralHankerchief*


This is the vote count as I have it at the moment. I've had no sleep in over 24 hours and I don't normally do this sort of stuff, please don't trample me if it's wrong!. The * are people who moved since the last vote count. Unless something changes, I think Besker is getting lynched here (?is this right?).

[Cass_]

I agree with Cass on El making points. I don't think he should be lynched as he will probably have a lot to say later on. He reminds me of my unreadableness on my home site.

Heh. He reminds me a little bit of a cross between Yates and Moonius tbh. Plus maybe some NotBob, but I don't think you know him.

Is anyone else around?

[Scarlett Aria]

Heh. He reminds me a little bit of a cross between Yates and Moonius tbh. Plus maybe some NotBob, but I don't think you know him.

Is anyone else around?

How do you see moonious?

[Scarlett Aria]

I need to sleep soon Cass.

[Cass_]

Vote: Al Sipsclar

OmgIfailbutIswearI'mnotasscummyasIlookhere. Adding it anyway in case someone wants to hammer over Beskar.

[Visor]

Day ends in an hour and five minutes (at least I hope thats what the timer is showing!)

Night will be 23 hours, and then we'll get back on schedule.

[Cass_]

Day ends in an hour and five minutes (at least I hope thats what the timer is showing!)

Night will be 23 hours, and then we'll get back on schedule.

I never thought I'd say this but... Hooray for Daylight Savings! I'm an hour earlier than I thought!

I'll be around if anyone wants to chat.

[seireikhaan]

The response is essentially null but at least he outright said he's not clueless or intending to be - ergo, he's not hiding behind that and even if he was he can't now because he'll be caught out. I'm not sure yet whether he's more likely scummy or low hanging fruit. My next step is to look at vote trains (I know, I'm cutting it close).
For what it's worth, I and I'm pretty sure at least a few others were pretty clueless on what exactly you meant by that. Been playing here since '07(though not as long as certain others), and have never seen people refer to setups as open or closed before. Just one of those little meta things that different places have. Believe me, if Beskar had tried pretending he was a noob, that would have been a *very* transparent tactic. :tongue:

[Visor]

Tally:
EB (Cuth, Khaan
JHT (WH
RK (Sev, Night
Scarlet (Auto
Khaan (GH
Beskar (GH, Csargo
AL SIps (edse, Scarlet, Cass
GH (Beskar, Raith, EB
Cuth (GK, Jarema
WH (JHT
Cass ( Al Sips
Sev (Zain

[Visor]

Cuth 2
Beskar 3
El Barto 2
Severing 1
Al Sips 3
General 3
Cass 1
JHT 1
Raith 2
Scarlett 1
Winston 1


Should be the tally. Let me see who reached three first out of GH, Al Sips and Beskar.

[Visor]

Okay, Beskar reached three before GH and Al Sips, so he is lynched.

(GH reached 3 first, then Beskar, then GH went to 4, then back down to 3, so therefore Beskar was lynched over GH.

I'm going to change the tie rules as that was a goddamn pain.

From now on, there will be a tiebreaking period after the lynch where the next vote/unvote will decide.

Time for the writeup.

[Visor]

End of Day One

The court bickered and argued throughout the day on who could possibly have poisoned the Duke. Eventually Beskar was dragged in front of the Court and sentenced to death.

Beskar was lynched!

He wastown!


Alive:
1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
5. seireikhaan
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
9. Csargo
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper
20. Scarlett Aria

Dead:
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.

[Visor]

23 hours for night. Send in your orders.

[Zain]

I'm telling y'all, the HOST has hinted us... Watch Viper rip my throat out tonight for this...

[Visor]

End of Night One

The Court awoke to find the battered and bloodied corpse of Csargo on the palace floor. Clearly evil was still afoot.

Csargo was killed!

He wastown!


Alive: 18/20
1. Jarema
2. GeneralHankerchief
3. Golden1Knight
4. Cuthillius
5. seireikhaan
6. Zain
7. landlubber
8. edse
10. Raith Kemmler
12. El Barto
13. Al Sipsclar
14. Winston Hughes
15. Nightbringer
16. Autolycus
17. Cass
18. Johnhughthom
19. Severing viper
20. Scarlett Aria

Dead: 2/20
11. Beskar, lynched D1, town.
9. Csargo, killed N1, town.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: edse

Initial vote on El Borto looks like an opportunity grabbed.
Switch to Al Sips isn't bad in itself, but the reasoning seems forced.
Overall, activity is low and content a bit contrived.

[Winston Hughes]

When does night fall?

[Visor]

48 hours or so from day break.

Timer:

[Cuthillius]

Votes on Beskar:


Hello everyone.

Gut instinct is giving me a scum lean on vote:Beskar. It seems like he's deliberately playing up the "in-the-dark townie" thing. Everyone else is striking me as reasonably townie so far. I like Raith's reaction to Al Sips's prodding. Very much what I would expect from a townie.
Landlubber pops into thread and says Beskar is his only scum read.

Also, Vote:Beskar

Hi!
Then Csargo makes a well-thought out vote post...

Well, since I have no desire to be the D1 lynch:

Unvote: khaan
Vote: Beskar
And Hankerchief self preservations.

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I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).

About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.

This post stands out to me, I dunno.
landlubber Why do you think Csargo was the NK?

[Cuthillius]

Here are Al's posts.


Vote: Raith Kemmler for apparently knowing something we don't know.

I lean town on Winston so far.


Well, you know, the mafia being the informed minority... and you appearing informed... and in minority, too.


But what about people who know that the people, saying that the speculation poster knows too much, know too much? That's, like, even more perfect, triple-distilled information. Vote: edse


I'd love for the scum to be reckless or bold, unabashedly or not. Alas, they usually try to keep low profile, lurk in the shadows. That's understandable, since the more active they are, the more mistakes they are bound to make. That's why I like to stir the pot a little. Even if they don't react and stay low - that's still a result, we can note who's been lurking. So either way, you're better be active.


Vote: Cass_. You're posting, but not voting. Why?

My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
Also, El Barto is always unreadable.


Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?

Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?

To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

[Cass_]

This whole post gives me heebie jeebies.


It's day one. No one should look scummy yet. 5 bucks says that a hapless townie is going to be lynched today, and mafia don't even have to participate in the lynch. They would pull all the tricks to avoid the responsibility. They may happily vote off the wagon or for each other. But sometimes they have to move their vote to avoid being lynched on D1. So, voting early and seeing who voted who and when is important. It is your duty as a townie.

*Hands over 5 bucks* :/

What do you make of who voted who and when?

[Cass_]

*Mindmelds*

I agree 100% (and some extra) with Cuth's 182 and 183.

[Cuthillius]

This whole post gives me heebie jeebies.



*Hands over 5 bucks* :/

What do you make of who voted who and when?

Oh you're right, I missed that post.

I mean, he did end up getting lynched because of self-preservation. That's not super pingy.

[Cass_]

vote: edse

Initial vote on El Borto looks like an opportunity grabbed.
Switch to Al Sips isn't bad in itself, but the reasoning seems forced.
Overall, activity is low and content a bit contrived.

I read the El Borto vote as a joke post:


Time to blindly follow the ghost of Pizza Vote: El Brato

I'll grant that it could be opportunistic, however gut says it's less likely to be scummy since once the game really got going he moved it off onto Al Sips.

I agree with the vote and his reasoning seems sound enough to me, even if it was worded really roundabout (I read that as deliberate).


People like to say PIS (perfect information syndrome) after speculation posts. The weird thing is that for them to know that the speculation poster knows too much, they know too much, otherwise they wouldn't know that the speculation poster "know" too much.

Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar


The other two posts from edse were explaining the vote on El Barto and answering Scarlett's questionnaire.


You sure know how to insult people El Baritone. I was merely playing with your name since Scarlett misspelled it in the post before (and did again :P )



1. I would ruthlessly spread hints around me untill I hang.

2. Not like this, that's for sure.

I can't read the tone of these enough to tell if they're significant or null. I generally have problems with these types of questionnaires because they're so easy to sidestep as scum and often get used to paint townfolk as scummy.

Winston
I get what you're saying about activity being low and at a push can understand contrived BUT my overall take on it is that there are other players who have posted much less than edse, and others still who have made votes on more towny looking candidates with weaker reasons. Right now I'd put Edse as effectively null, maybe Town and I probably wouldn't vote here just yet.

Could you elaborate on your thoughts more for me please? As they are, the points are very broad and there's very little to go on to help decide if your motivation is more likely Town or Scum.

1. What makes the vote on El Barto more opportunistic than jokey?
2. Why do you say the vote on Al Sips 'isn't bad' / How are you reading Al Sips?
3. How are you currently reading Edse and why did you pick him out to ISO?

[Jarema]

vote: Edse. Lets create some pressure here

[Cass_]

Oh you're right, I missed that post.

I mean, he did end up getting lynched because of self-preservation. That's not super pingy.

I agree self-preservation's not super pingy in itself. But it ended with a dead Towny and there were several other players GH could have moved his vote to, so at this point I'm not necessarily buying that the only motive was 'self-preservation'. I'd like to hear more from both Landlubber and GH today to see where they're coming from and help decide if the lynch was directly influenced by scum or not.

What are your current leans on each of them?

[Cuthillius]

I agree self-preservation's not super pingy in itself. But it ended with a dead Towny and there were several other players GH could have moved his vote to, so at this point I'm not necessarily buying that the only motive was 'self-preservation'. I'd like to hear more from both Landlubber and GH today to see where they're coming from and help decide if the lynch was directly influenced by scum or not.

What are your current leans on each of them?

But it didn't seem like a super panicked vote. It was earlier on in the day, before he had as many votes. Of course it's not necessarily the only motive, but it seems fairly reasonable given the situation.

Landlubber pings me a bit scummy, not sure about GH. Lemme take a look.

[Cuthillius]

Okay, good. Now, to business.

Vote: khaan
He pops into thread and votes khaan, with whom I'm guessing there is some meta, and this should not be considered serious. GeneralHandkerchief is that correct?

Yes, indeed.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief :smash:
And then Beskar basically makes just as pointless of a vote at him. Not sure why he left his vote here all day.

Rude!

Vote: GH
khaan jokeOMGUSes.

Unvote;

Something like a third of the players have basically slinked through day 1.

I'd be okay with hanging a few of them. But idle wishing and with sun down approaching...

Vote: GH for being a dirty cheerleader to put someone into real contention.
And then the third vote is strange. "Putting him into contention"? But why, exactly? Is this really a good tactic? Let's put random people into contention rather than at least trying to hunt scum. Raith Kemmler

Whose 4 am?

:stare: I wanted to see if we could get Cass the non-voter to swing, but now you've dared me. Don't you dare dare me. unvote; vote:General Hankerchief
El Barto then votes GH, for little reason again. Possibly deflecting pressure from himself. self-preservationating

Unvote: GH

Vote: El Barto

Don't you touch my honeybun.

And then khaan retracts the OMGUS and votes El barto.

this is interesting though. I'm worried about Raith's vote there.

[Cuthillius]

Here are his other posts.


1. Exactly the same way as Scenario #2.

2. Exactly the same way as Scenario #1.
On how he'd approach closed game as scum/town. This is completely null.

20-way tie! C'mon, we can do it! :cheerleader:
This is silly, also null.

Well, since I have no desire to be the D1 lynch:

Unvote: khaan
Vote: Beskar
And here, a fair ways before deadline, he switches for self-pres, and then...

I'm very much tempted to vote you for that.


So why aren't you?
Which isn't also very alignmented.

Right now he's a null lean that needs a bit of paying attention to.

[Raith Kemmler]

Here are Al's posts.

To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

I agree with the summation. Al isn't inspiring much yet. But I'm hesitating to wagon here...


I can't read the tone of these enough to tell if they're significant or null. I generally have problems with these types of questionnaires because they're so easy to sidestep as scum and often get used to paint townfolk as scummy.

Yeah. Hopefully the questions helped Scarlett, but I'm just gonna ignore them for now. Too wooly.


...and others still who have made votes on more towny looking candidates with weaker reasons.

Such as? Whose breathing air in the thread from your view?




And then the third vote is strange. "Putting him into contention"? But why, exactly? Is this really a good tactic? Let's put random people into contention rather than at least trying to hunt scum. Raith Kemmler

I like some of the posting here, but this looks rather scummy personally. 'At least trying to hunt scum' is low hanging sophistry. Let's turn this around. Cuthillious, how do you bag mafia day 1? Is there some formula to it? My two best shots for that didn't look good, so I tried to build a wagon. That's not the greatest thing for getting someone, but it's a nice bit for analysis later once we've got some perspective. If the mafia has to then react-I'm sure we all know this, it's a common tactic.

There were 5 hours left, where was this all alleged hunting going to go? There wasn't a lot of activity to make me confident a new wagon would happen, and I didn't have good case for it anyway. We had a wide open field with a bunch of people with 2 votes. Apparently someone decided we should shoot the adorable dog. I had Beskar as a very weak town, so he wasn't getting my vote. Bart's floating, so I'm willing to watch and wait on that score. I'm not going to vote for myself, so that left you and GH as non content posters to latch onto, so I rolled the dice. Maybe I rolled wrong, I'm not sure. Depends on your response here. But it definitely wasn't arbitrary.

I can get not liking my push, though I'd argue someone has to do it. I can get not liking a post I made. I can get just thinking I feel scummy. But don't post that I somehow abdicated finding the mafia for the RNG when the town is 0/1 currently in a thread I've been moderately active in.

I'm gonna OMGUS, till I've looked around for a better lead or I'm convinced this is a bad vote.

Vote:Cuthilious

[Cuthillius]

I like some of the posting here, but this looks rather scummy personally. 'At least trying to hunt scum' is low hanging sophistry. Let's turn this around. Cuthillious, how do you bag mafia day 1? Is there some formula to it? My two best shots for that didn't look good, so I tried to build a wagon. That's not the greatest thing for getting someone, but it's a nice bit for analysis later once we've got some perspective. If the mafia has to then react-I'm sure we all know this, it's a common tactic.

There were 5 hours left, where was this all alleged hunting going to go? There wasn't a lot of activity to make me confident a new wagon would happen, and I didn't have good case for it anyway. We had a wide open field with a bunch of people with 2 votes. Apparently someone decided we should shoot the adorable dog. I had Beskar as a very weak town, so he wasn't getting my vote. Bart's floating, so I'm willing to watch and wait on that score. I'm not going to vote for myself, so that left you and GH as non content posters to latch onto, so I rolled the dice. Maybe I rolled wrong, I'm not sure. Depends on your response here. But it definitely wasn't arbitrary.

I can get not liking my push, though I'd argue someone has to do it. I can get not liking a post I made. I can get just thinking I feel scummy. But don't post that I somehow abdicated finding the mafia for the RNG when the town is 0/1 currently in a thread I've been moderately active in.

I'm gonna OMGUS, till I've looked around for a better lead or I'm convinced this is a bad vote.

Vote:Cuthillius

You could have looked at posts, or said "oh this person is posting scummy i'm going to vote for them". But instead you just voted one of the top wagons to "put it into contention".

But really? There were five hours left. That's quite a bit of time, and more than enough for votes to accumulate. You could have gone through the thread, isolated the person with the scummiest posts to you, typed out a reasonable argument for them, voted them, and at least made your opinion known. Would have been more useful.

Aaand that's not an OMGUS.

[landlubber]

This post stands out to me, I dunno.
landlubber Why do you think Csargo was the NK?

What stands out to you about that post?

Your guess is as good as mine about the Csargo kill. I just scanned over his posts, and he wasn't doing anything that would really catch my attention if he was scum. Maybe he was killed to focus attention on GH and me. It's also very possible that the scum decided to kill a gameroom veteran to give all the new players more time here.

I don't regret keeping my vote on Beskar. If I wanted to misdirect the town as mafia, I would behave pretty much how Beskar was behaving-- being dodgy without seeming dodgy. I still think that Beskar was a better lynch than most players would have been. My vote had nothing to do with saving GH.

Khaan and GH would save each other every time, they've got a strong OOC relationship. That's null. I'm not generally a fan of self-preservation, but it doesn't mean GH is scum. I'll take some time to think before I place a vote, but I don't think it's GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pretty much all of the D1 voting on this forum is meta, unless something really out of the ordinary pops up. This injection of new blood has meant for a much faster paced D1 than I - and probably others - are used to, as evidenced by them mostly being the ones to lead discussion. Out of those that voted for me on D1, I didn't and don't consider any of their rationales for doing so suspicious.

As for khaan, I'm probably putting words in his mouth, but he's likely to save me on D1 when there's nothing to go off of, but he'd be more than willing to cut my throat midgame if he thinks I'm scum. Or if he flat-out doesn't have a read on me. Or if there's no good lynch candidate and he simply wants to troll. But by that time he's usually picked up a grudge against at least one other player in the game and will have tunnel vision on them, so who knows.

[Scarlett Aria]

Caught up and going to respond to quotes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, Cuthillius, I don't have an issue with Raith putting an additional vote on me to "put someone into contention", it was a good way to amp the pressure up and break the stalemate we'd had. No scum wants to be in the lead for voting on D1 and there would have been a decent enough chance of somebody slipping if we got lucky.

[Csargo]

Killed Day 1 two games in a row. Why do you all hate me so? Good luck town! :2thumbsup:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, here are my impressions of "baseline" behavior for the people that have played on the .Org before, for the benefit of our new players:

In order of inclusion in the game.

Jarema: Been a while, actually don't remember much. Know him more for hosting than playing. Great start with my baseline impressions, eh?

GeneralHankerchief: Should never ever ever be lynched under any circumstances.

Golden1Knight: Fairly new to all mafia IIRC. Established baseline from Pirate Ship III and The Inquisition is a low level of activity in thread, often without explanations for votes, but always willing to chip in for a night action. Has been town both games.

seireikhaan: Discussed above. Sometimes he puts on a persona schtick, sometimes not. Depends on his mood, really. Looks like he's playing this one straight-up. As mentioned, can sometimes get too focused on small-term objectives.

Zain: First game back in years. Forgive my memory.

landlubber: Putting The Inquisition to the side where he was inactive for RL reasons, usually has a helpful townie personality. Nothing about his behavior has twigged me so far.

edse: Was actually scum in The Inquisition (the most recent game before this one). Has had a tally ready to go in the past, moderate-to-low levels of activity in the thread.

Csargo: Dead.

Beskar: Dead.

El Barto: Likes to do his own thing. Took on a personality in Pirate Ship III focused on acquisition of gold above all else. Was town in Inquisition but refused to cooperate with any organizational efforts. He's been fine in my book. Through one day anyway.

Winston Hughes: Decent levels of activity but his posts are usually short and to the point. Will elaborate if pressed though.

Nightbringer: Got whacked with RL issues in The Inquisition so wasn't that active. Baseline in that game was a bit like Winston, though he's more prone to dropping in, casting his vote, and being done with the round.

autolycus: Usually blends in pretty well. Made it to the end of Pirate Ship III as mafia, only dying because he triggered a serial killer. Am actually interested to see how he responds if pressed.

johnhughthom: All but impossible to read. I'd call him the King of Apathy, but he doesn't care enough to battle for the crown. Terrifying for both sides if he makes it to the endgame.

[Scarlett Aria]

Here are Al's posts.













To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game.

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote: Al Sips

[Scarlett Aria]

Cuthillius you are Cuthalion right?

[Cuthillius]

What stands out to you about that post?


I'm not completely sure. It seems... different. Thanks for the input, though.

[Cuthillius]

The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game.
I always find Sips hard to read. He seems to be a favorite mislynch target, but I haven't played enough with him to be certain of my reads.

Cuthillius you are Cuthalion right?
Yep. Who are you?

Also, Cuthillius, I don't have an issue with Raith putting an additional vote on me to "put someone into contention", it was a good way to amp the pressure up and break the stalemate we'd had. No scum wants to be in the lead for voting on D1 and there would have been a decent enough chance of somebody slipping if we got lucky.

I suppose. I'd just prefer something more based on actual posting.

[Zain]

First game back in years, a mystery man of sorts :verycool:

That being said, inactivity is both scummy and intriguing, therefore for the time being...

Vote: Nightbringer

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: Al Sipsclar

Raith seems a bit suspicious too.

[Scarlett Aria]

I always find Sips hard to read. He seems to be a favorite mislynch target, but I haven't played enough with him to be certain of my reads.
Noted


Yep. Who are you?
Surprised you haven't guessed yet. ;)

[Scarlett Aria]

Vote: Al Sipsclar

Raith seems a bit suspicious too.

Why are you voting Sips?

[seireikhaan]

As for khaan, I'm probably putting words in his mouth, but he's likely to save me on D1 when there's nothing to go off of, but he'd be more than willing to cut my throat midgame if he thinks I'm scum. Or if he flat-out doesn't have a read on me. Or if there's no good lynch candidate and he simply wants to troll. But by that time he's usually picked up a grudge against at least one other player in the game and will have tunnel vision on them, so who knows.
You can put those words wherever you want, love. :smitten:

[El Barto]

I don't think he should be lynched
I'm beginning to like these new people from… well, wherever they are.

I understand El Barto will be difficult to read, but he amuses me and I'm finding if you look carefully he is kind of making some points - and they're more observations than really driving lynches towards low hanging fruite so I'm happy to keep him around for now. I'm guessing activity/voting patterns in later days will be key to figuring him out.
What do you mean, I amuse you? Let me understand this 'cause, I don't know, maybe it's me, I'm a little screwed up maybe, but I amuse you how? I mean, amuse you as if I were clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh... I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean amuse you, amuse you how? How do I amuse you? What is so amusing about me? Tell me.

El Barto then votes GH, for little reason again. Possibly deflecting pressure from himself. self-preservationating
First I'll quote Mrs. Monica Bing: ‘That's not even a word!’

And second, I saved myself from nothing. But I don't like it when people dare me to vote them.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

Raith seems a bit suspicious too.
Because…?

[El Barto]

You can put those words wherever you want, love. :smitten:
:rolleyes: And you voted me (always a bad thing to do) for voting him…?

[Cuthillius]

Noted


Surprised you haven't guessed yet. ;)

...

Alette? Lissa?

Have I played with you before? How many times?

[Scarlett Aria]

Unvote; Vote:Al Sips until I figure out why Golden voted for him. It kind of pinged to me his vote.

[Scarlett Aria]

...

Alette? Lissa?

Have I played with you before? How many times?

It's me Alette. Hi!

[El Barto]

Unvote; Vote:Al Sips until I figure out why Golden voted for him. It kind of pinged to me his vote.
You vote for someone to follow someone else who doesn't explain their vote? Am I reading this right?

[Cuthillius]

Unvote; Vote:Al Sips until I figure out why Golden voted for him. It kind of pinged to me his vote.
Wait. You're voting Al Sips because you're confused about why Golden was voting for him? If Golden's vote pinged you, why wouldn't you vote for him instead rather than for the person who made the pingy vote at Sips?

It's me Alette. Hi!

Ah, cool. Hi!

[Scarlett Aria]

Wait. You're voting Al Sips because you're confused about why Golden was voting for him? If Golden's vote pinged you, why wouldn't you vote for him instead rather than for the person who made the pingy vote at Sips?


Ah, cool. Hi!

No I voted him for his under the radar play and the fact that it seems like he knows more. Golden voting him for no specific reason is suspicious right?

[Cuthillius]

No I voted him for his under the radar play and the fact that it seems like he knows more. Golden voting him for no specific reason is suspicious right?

So you're saying he's suspicious, thus your vote, and that his being town would make you scumread Golden?

[Scarlett Aria]

So you're saying he's suspicious, thus your vote, and that his being town would make you scumread Golden?

I'm thinking what if the recent votes on him that weren't the people who were hounding him for suspicious comments are scum waiting for a mislynch?

[Scarlett Aria]

I made an edit.

[Scarlett Aria]

You can put those words wherever you want, love. :smitten:

Who are you suspicious of?

[Scarlett Aria]

El Barto GeneralHankerchief What are your thoughts on us newer players?

[Golden1Knight]

I did not expect that my vote would cause such a reaction!

First, it is a habit of mine to vote without explaining. It may be a negligence but has worked so far :P

My vote was guided by the posts made on the thread, and I did not vote in Raith because GH's explanation seemed plausible (regarding day's lynch vote).

[Cuthillius]

I did not expect that my vote would cause such a reaction!

First, it is a habit of mine to vote without explaining. It may be a negligence but has worked so far :P

My vote was guided by the posts made on the thread, and I did not vote in Raith because GH's explanation seemed plausible (regarding day's lynch vote).

Please provide reasoning. If nothing else, you're going to be spared some mislynches as town.

[Cuthillius]

I'm thinking what if the recent votes on him that weren't the people who were hounding him for suspicious comments are scum waiting for a mislynch?

Of course we look at the wagon if he's town.

I'm just waiting for Al Sipsclar to come and defend himself or present another alternative.

[GeneralHankerchief]

El Barto GeneralHankerchief What are your thoughts on us newer players?

In all honestly, blending together at the moment for me. I'm going to need more time to get individual reads.

[El Barto]

Wait. You're voting Al Sips because you're confused about why Golden was voting for him? If Golden's vote pinged you, why wouldn't you vote for him instead rather than for the person who made the pingy vote at Sips?
That's the same thing I said.

No I voted him for his under the radar play and the fact that it seems like he knows more. Golden voting him for no specific reason is suspicious right?Ye-eh… FFos:ScarlettAria

El Barto GeneralHankerchief What are your thoughts on us newer players?
>EB: ask for time to commingle with GH
Our thoughts? Could you give me time to engage in mental communion with GH? I think I have some Elf Tears left and, thankfully, I can use my STILL to brew some CHIPOTLE ALCOHOL to do that.

>Next
EB uses the STILL to produce some CHIPOTLE ALCOHOL.
EB Communes with GH…

[El Barto]

>EB: Poke GH so that he starts commingling aleready…

[seireikhaan]

:rolleyes: And you voted me (always a bad thing to do) for voting him…?
Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Al Sipsclar]

With the entire day falling on the weekend, I expect to see low activity. :( Catching up...


Vote: Al Sipsclair His posts seem tmi upon reading the thread.
By applying edse's argument ("He Who Smelt It Dealt It"), those who claim seeing tmi must themselves have tmi. However, I think we just discredited that argument (which can be applied recursively), and instead I see some healthy paranoia. :)

[Raith Kemmler]

The thing that makes me think he is scum is his under the radar type play D1. It has a different tone then the others. The Csargo kill could possibly be someone who thinks he has good reads on this roster? Not sure because this is my first game.

Kill speculation doesn't usually bear fruit in my experience. Especially in a closed set up. Maybe he looked like a Detective playing it low? Maybe not, but's it's tricky to figure out why mafia do things. If you've got a great explanation that helps frame someone's role, that's good, but just wondering is usually a mindless spiral. The mafia could have literally rolled the dice for all we know.


That being said, inactivity is both scummy and intriguing, therefore for the time being...

Vote: Nightbringer

I support this.


But by that time he's usually picked up a grudge against at least one other player in the game and will have tunnel vision on them, so who knows.

Note to self: Do not insult Khaan.


What do you mean, I amuse you? Let me understand this 'cause, I don't know, maybe it's me, I'm a little screwed up maybe, but I amuse you how? I mean, amuse you as if I were clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh... I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean amuse you, amuse you how? How do I amuse you? What is so amusing about me? Tell me.

You don't look like a pigeon.


I did not expect that my vote would cause such a reaction!

First, it is a habit of mine to vote without explaining. It may be a negligence but has worked so far :P

My vote was guided by the posts made on the thread, and I did not vote in Raith because GH's explanation seemed plausible (regarding day's lynch vote).

First, you popped in an out without much explanation. Second, you popped in when I prodded yesterday, but it wasn't anything besides a vote. Now you've posted, but it just looks like an echo of other sentiments. It's not a lot to latch onto.


That's the same thing I said.
Ye-eh… FFos:ScarlettAria

I think Scarlett is still confused about how vote changing works.

Self demonstration: removing my vote from Cuthalious

Unvote

[Al Sipsclar]

I don't disagree with the top stuff. But I do find it strange that with all the talk of the importance of voting, your vote remains on me. Why? You put it there after I highlighted your voting anyone who FoS'd you and you haven't taken it off even though I think I've done a good job of explaining my thought process and my concerns. The vote on Raith could have been Towny pressure to reaction fish, but the vote on Edse and I just feel too opportunistic/OMGUS.

My vote remained on you because you still didn't vote. I believe it's extremely unhelpful to town to hold votes until the very end. I actually care less about what people say to explain their thought process, because this is the game of deception and backstabbing. Their actions (votes and night actions) are more important to me.

I also don't hesitate to OMGUS anyone who I disagree with, or to make a point. I was making a point to edse that his argument equally applied back to him.

[Raith Kemmler]

Cuthillius: Is Scarlett normally a gimmick type player?

[El Barto]

Yeah, that sounds about right.
So you're admitting to being Mafia partners wih him, then?

With the entire day falling on the weekend, I expect to see low activity.
As if we had lives to begin with!

Kill speculation doesn't usually bear fruit in my experience. Especially in a closed set up. Maybe he looked like a Detective playing it low? Maybe not, but's it's tricky to figure out why mafia do things. If you've got a great explanation that helps frame someone's role, that's good, but just wondering is usually a mindless spiral. The mafia could have literally rolled the dice for all we know.
In this place, mafia do roll the dice for their kills in the beginning, but then people roll dice for their D1 vote and N1 actions.

I support this.
And why don't you vote for Nightbringer then?

Note to self: Do not insult Khaan.
Or vote for him. Or suggest his votes are unfounded. Or say that his former username was better. Or… well, just to play safe, play on another server and use TOR to connect.

You don't look like a pigeon.
:stare:

I think Scarlett is still confused about how vote changing works.

Self demonstration: removing my vote from Cuthalious

Unvote
What?

My vote remained on you because you still didn't vote. I believe it's extremely unhelpful to town to hold votes until the very end. I actually care less about what people say to explain their thought process, because this is the game of deception and backstabbing. Their actions (votes and night actions) are more important to me.

I also don't hesitate to OMGUS anyone who I disagree with, or to make a point. I was making a point to edse that his argument equally applied back to him.
Actually, OMGUS is voting for someone who has voted you…

[Cuthillius]

Cuthillius: Is Scarlett normally a gimmick type player?

Meh. She's normally a pretty solid reasonable town. Not particularly unusual in any way. Good player, though.

[Al Sipsclar]

Okay, Beskar reached three before GH and Al Sips, so he is lynched.

(GH reached 3 first, then Beskar, then GH went to 4, then back down to 3, so therefore Beskar was lynched over GH.


I'm actually a bit confused on how the lynch resolved. GH reached 3 first and stayed at 3 or above, so I'd expect him to hang. But I see where Visor is coming from, that the last time the vote tied, Beskar was at 3, but GH just transitioned from 4 to 3.

Because the situation was that indecisive, I tend to believe that scum had no hand in this. If anything, I'd worry more about landlubber's first vote on Beskar, than about GH's self-preservation vote. What saved GH was actually El Barto voting for him, then khaan unvoting him. The net result was rather unexpected, so I don't believe it was planned.

[Al Sipsclar]

To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.

Vote:Al Sipsclar

That's correct, I don't care much if any of them die. Why should I if I don't believe they are helping town? We are lynching someone here every day.

[Al Sipsclar]

This whole post gives me heebie jeebies.



*Hands over 5 bucks* :/

What do you make of who voted who and when?

Not much, unfortunately, that was pretty random. Your wagon on me was rather admirable, though. :)

[El Barto]

Maybe I should vote for Cass_ again…

[Raith Kemmler]

And why don't you vote for Nightbringer then?

Commitment scares me. Also reading the thread and looking for a better lead. But good for a default.


:stare:

I thought you were making a Good Feathers cartoon reference.


What?

Explanation:


The ghost of pizza thinks I should vote Vote: El berato

Scarlett votes for Elly.


Unvote; Vote:El Brato

Scarlett unvotes, then votes for the same person.


I unvoted btw.

Scarlett thinks she's unvoted. But she hasn't, unless I'm wrong about how this works.


Vote: Al Sips

She votes for Al.


Vote: Al Sipsclar

Golden makes a stealthy post everyone notices.


Unvote; Vote:Al Sips until I figure out why Golden voted for him. It kind of pinged to me his vote.

Scarlett gets suspicious about this, and invites for Al...but then revotes for him again. But it's pretty clearly meant to remove her vote from Al because she's suspicious of GoldKnight's post. Unless she's just rehammering the same vote again again. But that's weird.

Conclusion: Scarlett is slightly confused about how voting is marked in the thread. I tried explaining yesterday, so today I tried just showing what an invite looked like. Unless this is the same system she normally uses in mafia? Then. Um. Dunno. Weird mafia ploy?


Meh. She's normally a pretty solid reasonable town. Not particularly unusual in any way. Good player, though.

Kay. I'm gonna put her into solid town then for now.

[Scarlett Aria]

You should see the way Visor wrote the unvote in the rules Raith.

[Scarlett Aria]

• You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice. The vote tag is not essential but please make it very clear who you are voting for, I would suggest only bolding names for votes, never for emphasis.

Here

[Raith Kemmler]

My vote remained on you because you still didn't vote. I believe it's extremely unhelpful to town to hold votes until the very end. I actually care less about what people say to explain their thought process, because this is the game of deception and backstabbing. Their actions (votes and night actions) are more important to me.

I don't believe this at all. You've jumped pretty quick with people's reasoning as the basis for your votes besides Cas.

Vote: Al


You should see the way Visor wrote the unvote in the rules Raith.

I checked. Maybe I'm wrong? Visor? Help?

[El Barto]

It should say ‘whom’, not ‘who’.

Commitment scares me. Also reading the thread and looking for a better lead. But good for a default.
You can always unvote.

I thought you were making a Good Feathers cartoon reference.
Maybe I was…

Explanation:
(…)

Kay. I'm gonna put her into solid town then for now.
No, wait, what?

[Raith Kemmler]

No, wait, what?

I don't think anyone will find this persuasive but me. But here's my thought process:

If Scarlett was mistaken about how voting works, and I'm starting to think I was totally wrong, it'd be weird for her to make a gaffe that provoked confusion with players. That sounds like an individual thing, not a mafia thing. If I saw a teammate making the mistake, I'd correct it in the mafia thread lest it provoke more attention later.

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.

[Scarlett Aria]

In all honestly, blending together at the moment for me. I'm going to need more time to get individual reads.

Ok. I asked because you just look to be dodging us a bit.

[Scarlett Aria]

I don't think anyone will find this persuasive but me. But here's my thought process:

If Scarlett was mistaken about how voting works, and I'm starting to think I was totally wrong, it'd be weird for her to make a gaffe that provoked confusion with players. That sounds like an individual thing, not a mafia thing. If I saw a teammate making the mistake, I'd correct it in the mafia thread lest it provoke more attention later.

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.
I'm just making it easier for him. You don't have to put the vote part though.

[El Barto]

But as I'm thinking I was wrong about the formatting, this may all be nonsense.
Quite possibly so.

[Scarlett Aria]

Lol I'm a derp at times.>.>