This is a really bad idea mafia- SIGN UP SHEET

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is an experimental mafia game sign-up.

Current player list:



dp101
El Barto
monstrbro
Generalhankerchief
Montmorency
Cass_
Sooh
Renata
Al Sipsclar
Cuthillius
Zack
dicetosser1
choxorn
atheotes
BSmith
Winston Hughes
Jabbz
Schema
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat


There will be two factions, town and mafia.
There will be no recruitment, forced or otherwise.
There will be no unusual role PMs, such as jesters. If you get a power role, it will be fairly normal stuff.
Your win conditions will be known, normal, and straightforward.

The gimmick here will be....

Representative Democracy!!!

It's a really, really bad idea. But I'm going to go with it anyway if I get enough people. Ideally we should get about 20 people or more, otherwise the concept doesn't really work.

The players will be randomized into an odd number of districts.
Each district will elect a representative, and only that representative will actually vote in a manner that matters when it comes to the lynch.
The rule for districts is that the largest-sized district cannot have two or more people more than the smallest-sized district, so all districts will be of the same approximate size, off by a maximum of 1 person.
As people die off, the districts may need to be re-drawn.
At game start, there will be a special election for "Chancellor-for-life".
Only the Chancellor can re-draw districts.
If the Chancellor dies, a special election for the new Chancellor will happen.
Whenever the size difference between districts becomes 2 or more, the Chancellor will decide who goes in what district.
Districts have a minimum size of 3 people.
Districts can be as large as you like, but there must always be 3 or more districts, and there must always be an odd-number of districts.
District voting ends when there are 8 players or fewer, because at that point, there would be either one district, or an even number of districts, or districts would end up with 2 people or 1 person.
If the voters in a district tie, they will not have a representative that round.
If the district representatives' lynch vote ends in a tie, the Chancellor decides between the tied candidates, and someone will be lynched anyway.


Example-Sample game:



Renata
Barto
Dp101
Monty
Quat
Bsmith
Novice
Choxorn
Hanky
Zack
Sooh
Winston
Al Sips
Newyn
Scarlett
NAC
Cuth
Khaan
atheotes
Shad
Stork
Visor
spaceman98
JHT
Snerk



Askthepizzaguy is the outgoing Chancellor-for-life. He died while in office. He had randomly drawn the districts like this:
District One:
Scarlett
Khaan
Novice
Dp101
Quat

District Two:
Barto
Renata
Sooh
Stork
Al Sips

District Three:
spaceman98
Hanky
Visor
Cuth
atheotes

District Four:
Winston
Newyn
Monty
NAC
Zack

District Five:
Bsmith
JHT
Choxorn
Shad
Snerk
D1: Khaan has been elected Chancellor-for-life
D1: Shad was lynched, because he hasn't been mislynched enough, in my opinion
N1: Johnhughthom was murdered, for a change of pace.
D2: District 5 now only has 3 people in it. The districts will be redrawn by Khaan. He draws them like this for shits and giggles:
District One:
Scarlett
Khaan
Novice
Dp101
Quat
Bsmith
Barto

District Two:
Renata
Sooh
Stork
Al Sips
Choxorn
spaceman98
Hanky
Visor

District Three:
Cuth
atheotes
Snerk
Winston
Newyn
Monty
NAC
Zack
D2: Visor was lynched, because loltown
N2: Snerk was murdered, for being snarky
D3: The districts are the same size, no redrawing needed.
District One:
Scarlett
Khaan
Novice
Dp101
Quat
Bsmith
Barto

District Two:
Renata
Sooh
Stork
Al Sips
Choxorn
spaceman98
Hanky

District Three:
Cuth
atheotes
Winston
Newyn
Monty
NAC
Zack
D3: NAC was lynched, because lolNAC
N3: Winston was murdered, for being the fairest of them all
D4: District Three now has too few people. The districts will be redrawn by Khaan. Now they look like this, because he was drunk:
District One:
Scarlett
Khaan
Novice
Dp101

District Two:
Quat
Bsmith
Barto
Renata

District Three:
Sooh
Stork
Al Sips
Choxorn

District Four:
spaceman98
Hanky
Cuth
atheotes

District Five:
Newyn
Monty
Zack
D4: People don't like the way khaan drew the districts, and he was successfully lynched!
N4: Sooh was murdered, because she was actually even fairer than them all, but was too humble about it to tell you.
D5: The districts don't need to be redrawn yet, but Dp101 was elected Chancellor-for-life because he's such an obvious townie.
District One:
Scarlett
Novice
Dp101

District Two:
Quat
Bsmith
Barto
Renata

District Three:
Stork
Al Sips
Choxorn

District Four:
spaceman98
Hanky
Cuth
atheotes

District Five:
Newyn
Monty
Zack
D5: atheotes was lynched, because it's fun to lynch atheotes. Where is your lack of god now, atheotes?
N5: Generalhankerchief was murdered, because you can use him to wipe the blood off the knife you just stabbed him with. Convenient!
D6: Dp101 was forced to redraw the districts again, because District Four is too small. He decided to shuffle people around, because he's secretly evil. Now they look like this:
District One:
Scarlett
Stork
Al Sips
spaceman98
Choxorn

District Two:
Renata
Zack
Dp101
Quat
Bsmith

District Three:
Novice
Cuth
Newyn
Monty
Barto

D6: Barto was lynched, because he was slacking off and an easy lynch target.
N6: Zack was murdered, because why the hell wasn't he murdered sooner? lol mafia.
District One:
Scarlett
Stork
Al Sips
spaceman98
Choxorn

District Two:
Renata
Dp101
Quat
Bsmith

District Three:
Novice
Cuth
Newyn
Monty

D7: Spaceman was lynched, because he's team rocket and he needed to blast off again.
N7: Al Sips was murdered, because reasons.
District One:
Scarlett
Stork
Choxorn

District Two:
Renata
Dp101
Quat
Bsmith

District Three:
Novice
Cuth
Newyn
Monty

D8: It was a three-way tie between Quat, Monty, and Renata for the lynch. Chancellor-for-life Dp101 chose to lynch Monty. Lol Monty.
N8: Chancellor-for-life dp101 was murdered, because how dare he lynch Monty.
District One:
Scarlett
Stork
Choxorn

District Two:
Renata
Quat
Bsmith

District Three:
Novice
Cuth
Newyn

D9: Renata is elected Chancellor-for-life, to break ties, since this is the last time district-based representative voting occurs.
D9: Scarlett was lynched, because poor Alette never catches a break.
N9: Novice was murdered, because he sniffs out the bullshit.
D10: Districts no longer happen. Direct voting happens. Renata retains tiebreaking power.
Stork
Choxorn
Renata
Quat
Bsmith
Cuth
Newyn

D10: Renata is lynched due to rampant paranoia. Loltown. No Chancellor exists anymore and none will be elected due to lack of districts.
N10: Newyn is tarred and re-feathered.
Stork
Choxorn
Quat
Bsmith
Cuth

D11: Choxorn is lynched, because he's choxorn.
Mafia wins! Congratulations Monty, Reidquat and BSmith, for winning a fictional example game I pulled out of my butt.


Why the gimmick? Because it gives the mafia opportunities to become Chancellor and create unrepresentative results, possibly. Or maybe to give a decent scum hunter a chance to lynch scums without needing consensus. Who knows? I'm evil and I want to prove how amazing representative democracy is for the average voter.

[Dp101]

I want to try this.

[El Barto]

Renata
Barto

Oh, excellent, I am already on the list. Am I a senator for life, then, representing La DC?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, participation in my democracy is mandatory. I automatically signed everyone up and you basically have to /out to not be in.

j/k but I could always be not kidding, you never know. I'm unpredictable.



Video unrelated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7KAAM1JohU

[Monstrdude]

Post

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm more of a fan of enlightened despotism personally, but I suppose this will work in a pinch.

In

[Montmorency]

You had me at "Representative Democracy"

[Cass_]

Yes, participation in my democracy is mandatory. I automatically signed everyone up and you basically have to /out to not be in.



Everyone ?

Tentative /in if someone /outs then :p

Any idea on phase lengths yet?

[Sooh]

Initiate train wreck mode. Can't look away. Must take part.

[Askthepizzaguy]

48/24

There will be a need for more discussion and a need for more voting time than 24 hours with this setup. I think you'll find on a round where you need to elect a new dictator Chancellor, some folks will be wishing for 3 day day phases. But we gotta keep it to 3 day day-night cycles or faster to keep things moving.

[Renata]

Why am I not in? I demand to be in. I furthermore demand chancellor for life because I love power even when I have no idea what to do with it. Let it be written.

[Al Sipsclar]

I'll be your tired, your poor, your huddled mass yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse, basically.

[Cuthillius]

i wasn't go in g to, but this sounds intriguing enough

kinda avalonish

[Zack]

in so gh has to write an essay professing his love for me

[dicetosser1]

pizza how crazy are the game/post counts here usually?

[Cass_]

@ Dice- SkypePizza informs me higher posting players often finish a game with about 200 posts...

Can say the game I played here was lower volume than both DM and the Pizza game we both played on CivFan, but higher than Scooby Doo...

[Askthepizzaguy]

VERY USEFUL INFO:

Game will include players from USA, Europe, and Australia. To accommodate this, I am tentatively choosing to end Day Phases and Night Phases at 8:30 pm my time. This will allow our Aussie players to sometimes see end of days at 630am their time, it will allow me to end phases not in the middle of my night time, and it will allow USA people to have end of day around noon-afternoon depending on where they are. Days will be 48 hours, so regardless of phase end, you should be able to lodge a vote for Chancellor and a vote for the lynch at least once per day.

Posting minimums: You will be required to post twice per day, and vote at least once per day. If you fail to meet that minimum, it's entirely possible bad things will happen to you, without going into detail.

All of these rules / FAQ things will be assembled into a single post at the start of the game thread when I am ready, so don't worry about missing them here.

Just read the Game start host posts and you should be OK.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also responded to dice via IM, but the past few games on here are a good indicator. Most players won't crack 50 posts all game long, and the ones that do typically range from 50-200 ish for a several week game.

[dicetosser1]

thanks cass!

im in pizza

[dicetosser1]

one thought

I need to test if I can get to this website at work. if I cant I may have a problem

will test tomorrow

[Choxorn]

D11: Choxorn is lynched, because he's choxorn.

sounds about right, but when this happens to me, it's usually before lylo

anyway this idea is terrible and you should feel bad

(In)

[atheotes]

In!


VERY USEFUL INFO:

Game will include players from USA, Europe, and Australia. To accommodate this, I am tentatively choosing to end Day Phases and Night Phases at 8:30 pm my time. This will allow our Aussie players to sometimes see end of days at 630am their time, it will allow me to end phases not in the middle of my night time, and it will allow USA people to have end of day around noon-afternoon depending on where they are. Days will be 48 hours, so regardless of phase end, you should be able to lodge a vote for Chancellor and a vote for the lynch at least once per day.

Posting minimums: You will be required to post twice per day, and vote at least once per day. If you fail to meet that minimum, it's entirely possible bad things will happen to you, without going into detail.

All of these rules / FAQ things will be assembled into a single post at the start of the game thread when I am ready, so don't worry about missing them here.

Just read the Game start host posts and you should be OK.

The highlighted leaves me as the only neutral who will not show favoritism towards any continent (or Religion). You can also be guaranteed that i will be fast asleep while EOD shenanigans take place...meaning i will not make any rash decisions! Chancellor for LIFE! :soapbox:

[Dp101]

I just found a critical flaw with the setup. Pizza is always mafia, but he is the host so we can't lynch him, and thus town cannot win.

[BSmith]

DP, meet Zack. Zack, meet DP. :clown:

Anyways... inners for me, though I have apparently already won the game as scum. :bow:

[Sooh]

Where are you at, Atheotes?

[Winston Hughes]

Weston 4 President

[dicetosser1]

looks like thread is available at work so its a go for me

[El Barto]

Weston 4 President
i'll back johhughthom

[Zack]

in so gh has to write an essay professing his love for me

LOL

ronpaul.gif

[Dp101]

LOL

ronpaul.gif

Zack GOAT at RPS (unlike me)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Welp.

[Cass_]

Post

*POKE*

[Askthepizzaguy]

And we're at 16 people. If we could get nine more it would be fantastic. I'd settle for 21.

[Dp101]

I will advertise on my home site, the forum upgrade that happened there a few months back broke Novice's tool so there have been no recent games, I would imagine there are at least a couple of people who are desperate for a game.

[Visor]

Get lewwyn back here

[Dp101]

Get lewwyn back here

Last time he said he was busy, and he doesn't seem to have that much time for the SG we are playing together, so I doubt it. Believe me, I want to play with him as much as you do.

[Dp101]

The sales pitch has been made, lets see if anyone cares.

[atheotes]

Where are you at, Atheotes?

So called largest democracy in the World (India):bow:

[El Barto]

And we're at 16 people. If we could get nine more it would be fantastic. I'd settle for 21.
Do you want me to post and ad at the rock-paper-scissors thread? There's also the multiverse QT and so on.

[Visor]

So called largest democracy in the World (India):bow:

are you dravid or tendulkar

[atheotes]

are you dravid or tendulkar

no...VVS! :2thumbsup:

[Jabbz]

I'm in.

[Dp101]

I'm in.

Got one! :bounce:

[Jabbz]

Eh, you know me, always happy to host or play.

[atheotes]

Eh, you know me, always happy to host or play.

Hi Jabbz, Welcome to the .Org!

[Schema]

Mistakes are being made.

... in.

[Visor]

in.

[Renata]

So called largest democracy in the World (India):bow:

I didn't know you were from India. My husband is from Chennai.

[Sooh]

So called largest democracy in the World (India):bow:

Ooohhhhhh!

*impressed sound*

[Dp101]

When is this likely to be starting? Because while recruiting I have had 2 people say that they would play if this started later, one wants the 20th and the other wants January, and I'm just wondering if this game will suit them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

When is this likely to be starting?

I'd like to know this too. For, uh, other reasons.

[Schema]

in.

Bold move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, that is an interesting question, when the game starts. Hmm.

It occurs to me that the holidays are a week from now. And it's very likely the game would have to be on pause for a couple of them, with the thread locked and such. I kind of don't like that interruption, and would rather avoid it, but I guess since the quality of the game will be impacted unless the players themselves can play the game, I'll open up the question of when it starts. I have 19 people, 2 more would make for an excellent minimum.

These are the options:

1) Open the game at 21 people, anyone else who wanders by can be a reserve player, open it ASAP. Leave the thread open and simply give people an extra day after Christmas or after New Years regardless what phase it is. (Extra 2 days schedule)

2) Open the game Monday the 19th, with enough time to play the first 2 Day Phases. Wait a few days with the thread locked, re-open the game on the 27th, play Day 3, lock the thread again for New Years and have a longer night, then resume a normal schedule after that ("Interrupting Cow" sched-moo-le)

3) Don't open the game until 26th Dec. (Don't open the game until X-mas schedule)

4) Don't open the game until 2nd Jan. (New year, new game schedule)


I don't like option 4 as some of you will probably get high and wander off in the meantime. But let me know which of these don't work for you people. What do I mean, you people? I mean, you people:

Dp101
El Barto
Monstrbro
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Cass_
Sooh
Renata
Al Sipsclar
Cuthillius
Zack
dicetosser1
Choxorn
atheotes
BSmith
Winston Hughes
Jabbz
Schema
Visor

[Dp101]

I have no preference.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In order of preference, 1-3-2-4.

[Visor]

Bold move.

:stare:

1-2-3-4, pizza

[Zack]

I'd prefer to start asap

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd prefer to start asap

Somebody's anxious for something. :hide:

[Visor]

Csargo seireikhaan Riedquat novice

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sent some invites to the peeps that don't play every game.

[Al Sipsclar]

In order of preference, 1-3-2-4.

I'm mindmelding with GH.

[Choxorn]

All these options are acceptable to me.

[Fenn]

Hey, I'm the 20th-of-December guy Dp101 mentioned. Can't commit to playing before then, but if the game's still open by that time I'm in.

Otherwise my preferences are 1-3-2-4 from the list.

[Jabbz]

3 - 1 - 2 - 4. I really don't like the idea of having a multi-day pause in between. I'll play either way, but yeah. Also, I believe I have an additional one coming for the game, my adult son, as long as no one minds family members playing together. No collusion obviously.

[Dp101]

3 - 1 - 2 - 4. I really don't like the idea of having a multi-day pause in between. I'll play either way, but yeah. Also, I believe I have an additional one coming for the game, my adult son, as long as no one minds family members playing together. No collusion obviously.

I enjoyed playing with him last time, this should be good.

[dicetosser1]

probably prefer number 1 really

[Cass_]

1 or 3 would be my preference, but I don't really mind since I'm gonna be hectic as usual and popping in and out erratically around family and work anyway.

[dicetosser1]

PIZZA IF YOU CATCH CASS POSTING AFTER 11PM SHE IS TO BE MODKILLED!!

she must sleep this game and not let it take over her life

[Askthepizzaguy]

3 - 1 - 2 - 4. I really don't like the idea of having a multi-day pause in between. I'll play either way, but yeah. Also, I believe I have an additional one coming for the game, my adult son, as long as no one minds family members playing together. No collusion obviously.

This is fine. Sooh is my wife, and we're in the same house. Ground rules for something like that, just in case someone does accidentally get spoiled (it can happen):

1) Stop posting in the game or in any related quicktopics, etc.
2) As soon as humanly possible, PM me explaining what happened. I will replace or modkill whichever slots I need to, with no hard feelings.
3) Don't use the same computer, stuff can pop up in the search bar if you type something innocuous. Happened in a game I hosted on GITP, brothers sharing a computer accidentally saw the other's qt.
4) Please avoid clearing/condemning one another for reasons you can't explain publicly. Mainly because they can be very wrong. One time I was in a turbo with someone and they heard me typing a lot in the other room during night phase. But I was vanilla town, taking notes and trying to jot down all the fake peeks. Sounded a lot like I was in a mafia chat though. If you stick to in-game evidence, you will always feel better about it, right or wrong. Plus others playing with you can follow your reasoning.

Also @ everyone:



Make sure you guys all have read the OP of this thread, due to the unusual representative voting mechanics of this game.
Due to this game's referencing of a real-world voting mechanic, it's possible that real world politics will be brought up in the game. Don't do that at all. It can easily derail the game, offend people on your own team, and force the moderators to intervene. Consider it a house rule for this game just to keep things focused on what they should be.
If you're new to the .org, here's a quick and dirty version of what to avoid: Insults, flaming, quoting/screenshotting your role PM, multiple accounts in one game, trolling, baiting, anything that wouldn't be appropriate sitting around your fiancee's family's dinner table and playing monopoly with them. Treat everyone in the game as an honored guest and, even though your aim is possibly to defeat them, remember we're all friends or we're all civil at the minimum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's looking like people are fine with starting sooner rather than later, and simply extending day or night phases through the holidays. At minimum I will add Christmas Eve and Christmas Day to whichever phase requires it, possibly the day after if it is a Day Phase, thus guaranteeing two in-game days outside of Eve and Xmas. I will also extend the phase that covers New Years Eve/Day, but I won't lock the thread during these extensions.

I will fill the game at 21 players, and anyone else that would like to get involved will be a reserve, and please note that I may actually use a reserve player, so keep an eye out for a PM at anytime. In general I will try to replace people in as early as possible.

@Fenn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100483)

If we start before the 20th, can I have you as the first guy who replaces in, if I need a slot replaced?

[Schema]

EDIT - Never mind!

[Csargo]

I'll play.

[Fenn]

If we start before the 20th, can I have you as the first guy who replaces in, if I need a slot replaced?

Sure, that sounds good to me.

[atheotes]

I didn't know you were from India. My husband is from Chennai.

Ohh...I currently live in Chennai!

[atheotes]

Ooohhhhhh!

*impressed sound*

One more vote acquired!

[Renata]

Ohh...I currently live in Chennai!

No kidding. My husband's relatives live mostly in Kodambakkam (I don't know spelling). Do you speak Tamil? I only know a little.

[Riedquat]

Oh... I won the fictional game! Count me in!

[atheotes]

No kidding. My husband's relatives live mostly in Kodambakkam (I don't know spelling). Do you speak Tamil? I only know a little.

:jawdrop: you are spot on about the spelling. Hope no one was injured in the cyclone earlier this week.

Tamil and English are the only languages i can speak. I am a native of Madurai (Credited with the creation and growth of Tamil language...so we call our slang the best form of Tamil ~D)
Great to know you can speak Tamil :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Game will start in 24 hours EXACTLY from now. :P

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@El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=93318)
@Monstrbro (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100476)
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@Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
@Cass_ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100059)
@Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
@Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=46115)
@Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
@Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
@Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=59017)
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Csargo
Riedquat

[Renata]

:jawdrop: you are spot on about the spelling. Hope no one was injured in the cyclone earlier this week.

Tamil and English are the only languages i can speak. I am a native of Madurai (Credited with the creation and growth of Tamil language...so we call our slang the best form of Tamil ~D)
Great to know you can speak Tamil :bow:

Everybody's fine, but they sent us video of trees blowing around and stuff. Not my idea of a fun time, I guess you can relate!

My mom-in-law writes Tamil poetry. She's been known to talk about the "pure" Tamil of various areas that are definitely not Chennai, hah! I swear half the nouns my family uses are English words; that's the only reason I can occasionally tell the topic of conversation, other than a bunch of common phrases. It's not like I can carry on a conversation, sadly.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Game will start in 24 hours EXACTLY from now. :P

Crap, I'm only at 268 words for Zack so far.

[Dp101]

Crap, I'm only at 268 words for Zack so far.

Probably going to be hard to reach 500 I imagine, what with the limited source material and all.

[Renata]

Is it that difficult?

[Zack]

Probably going to be hard to reach 500 I imagine, what with the limited source material and all.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4459102/glove-slap-homer-o.gif

[El Barto]

Game will start in 24 hours EXACTLY from now. :P
I… was going to say that it was better if we started in January so we don't get any interruptions but if you all wanted to start earlier I still have to be around to host the RPS game so it's not biggie… also vote: Renata. You know why.

[Renata]

OMGUS.

[atheotes]

Everybody's fine, but they sent us video of trees blowing around and stuff. Not my idea of a fun time, I guess you can relate!

My mom-in-law writes Tamil poetry. She's been known to talk about the "pure" Tamil of various areas that are definitely not Chennai, hah! I swear half the nouns my family uses are English words; that's the only reason I can occasionally tell the topic of conversation, other than a bunch of common phrases. It's not like I can carry on a conversation, sadly.

ha..i can imagine. hey..as long as you can speak English, you can get around in Tamil Nadu! :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The game has begun. If you wish to contact the game host about being a substitute player, PM Askthepizzaguy.

This thread can be locked

GeneralHankerchief