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a completely inoffensive name
08-05-2017, 07:46
Link: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21724814-get-most-out-longer-lives-new-age-category-needed-what-call-time-life

If you do not have access (cheapskate): Advances in longevity have added healthy years in the 60+ category that were not available to previous generations. Due to the reduction in Western birthrates, the "ratio of 65-plussers to working age people will triple by 2100". These people should be categorized as a new stage of life, separate from the decrepit end-of-lifers that is currently attached to all citizens past retirement. This has already happened in the 20th century when the concept of a 'teenager' created new marketing and social standards for a segment of society previously lumped with childhood or adulthood. Oh, and they should be called 'Owls' (Older, Working Less, Still earning).

'Owls' is an okay term, at the very least better than the other dumb terms the author also suggested (Nyppies? I'm not saying that, I don't care what the acronym would mean). But other than that, I am wondering how many segments do we already divide people's lives into. Newborns, toddlers, children, pre-teens, teenagers, young adults (although judging by Barnes and Noble this is just a different label for teens), adults (and here we have to divide everyone further by the first digit of their age), Owls, Elders/Seniors, Centenarians (we should call these people Super Seniors or Methuselah's). I am entering a new stage of life roughly every other presidential election.

In addition, I don't really follow the author's reasoning of applying the origin of the 'teenager' to the origin of 'Owls'. If these people are earning less/working less, then by definition they don't seem to be near as lucrative of a market as young teenagers just entering the work force. At least with marketing to teenagers, they build their brand in order to pay dividends later when those teens grow older and associate the brand with good memories of their youth. There are also key psychological developments that clearly distinguishes teenagers from the pre-teens and the adults. Anyone in their early twenties will testify how different they were from their 16-18 year old self. At 68 years old, how much does a person contrast with their 55 year old self? Maybe more than I realize as someone still many decades from making that call for myself.

I am sure sure that in some way, the author's notion of a new 'period' of life somewhere in your late 60's to early 70's will be widespread ; but it's not going to be the image of an older couple enjoying their bonus years on a beach. More likely the concept of the 'Owls' will be the image of a pair of forgotten Gen Xer's constantly screwed by the larger generations before and after them. A couple who now live in a society where the remaining Baby Boomers and heartless millennials pull the rug out from under their feet to redefine the Social Security Retirement Age as 74 years old, while taxing them to pay for Bernie's Free College Fund.

Why am I talking about this random article? Your guess is as good as mine, perhaps the baseless optimism bugged me somehow. Or maybe I am just sick of talking about Trump and Brexit all the time.

Fragony
08-05-2017, 08:02
Owls look straight and directly. Read the book for fun's sake, it's pretty wtf.

Montmorency
08-05-2017, 08:04
redefine the Social Security Retirement Age as 74 years old, while taxing them to pay for Bernie's Free College Fund.

I think one of these might rule out the other. Even if it were part of the Democratic agenda to fund youth through old-age austerity, it wouldn't be politically viable from either prong.

Re: The Economist's editorial optimism, one of the best things you can say about the publication is that the online comments are a league ahead of what you see in the WSJ, and a couple of leagues ahead of The Federalist.

rory_20_uk
08-05-2017, 12:32
It is pretty simple - die early, work for longer or live an incredibly frugal life; we've decided (in the UK at least) that leaving school later is "helpful". We're up to 18 but increasingly leaving saddled with debt at 21. For many people, learning a vocation at 16 - or even 14 - might be a better approach.

Why the silly terms? Drivel like that keeps academics employed.

~:smoking:

Seamus Fermanagh
08-05-2017, 14:53
It is pretty simple - die early, work for longer or live an incredibly frugal life; we've decided (in the UK at least) that leaving school later is "helpful". We're up to 18 but increasingly leaving saddled with debt at 21. For many people, learning a vocation at 16 - or even 14 - might be a better approach.

Why the silly terms? Drivel like that keeps academics employed.

~:smoking:

No. Drivel like that is the product of an academic seeking a "catchy" metaphor for the introduction to an otherwise tedious article rife with matrices and statistics. Academics are NOT poets for a reason.

HopAlongBunny
08-06-2017, 10:52
The Economy - Poem by Brian Taylor is a Hose. The Government collects water from the people pours it into the top of the hose to give it back to the people. Near the top of the hose; a hole. See! water leaks out here into a tank marked Government (which is always empty) . The rest flows down towards the people. It leaks through other holes: Government Agencies Government buildings Government contingencies Government perks. There are also holes for Lawyers Accountants Criminals. (T he Government is always trying to block these three) . Finally, what is left of the water reaches the people at the end of the hose. The people fight over it (it is never enough) . When they get thirsty they start to throw stones at the government and threaten to sack them. The government then, reluctantly, pours more water into the top of the hose (which they get from the people) . Finally, when the people are very thirsty, under the leadership of the Lawyers Accountants and other Criminals, they attack the tank marked Government and break it open. (It is always empty) . Many of the people die, (except for Lawyers, Accountants and other Criminals.) The Survivors go off and dig a new well; drink as much as they are able, as quickly as they can, and wait for a new Government to find them. The Economy Brian Taylor

a completely inoffensive name
08-07-2017, 01:53
I think one of these might rule out the other. Even if it were part of the Democratic agenda to fund youth through old-age austerity, it wouldn't be politically viable from either prong.

Re: The Economist's editorial optimism, one of the best things you can say about the publication is that the online comments are a league ahead of what you see in the WSJ, and a couple of leagues ahead of The Federalist.

America has made worse compromises before.

I do agree about the comments.

Fragony
08-09-2017, 19:23
It's basicly porn, there is nothing clever in it. De Sade was clever, here is nothing to be found . The comments annoy me, things that stuck under my shoes annoy me as well

Seamus Fermanagh
08-10-2017, 20:48
It's basicly porn, there is nothing clever in it. De Sade was clever, here is nothing to be found . The comments annoy me, things that stuck under my shoes annoy me as well
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