The Official Summerslam 2004 Thread

[Efrem Da King]

Quote[/b] ]You.... Me.... Summerslam





Anyone have preditcions for matches/outcomes off summerslam?

[shakaka36]

i havnt been watchign for the last few weeks, whats the card?

[Efrem Da King]

Only matches mad, and they were made on the latest smackdown are



THE UNDERTAKER Vs JBL for the WWE championship.


And


EDDIE GUERRO VS KURT ANGLE

[shakaka36]

the dead man's been gathering steam, but im not sure if hell win, i think ifthey want to legitimize JBL as maineventer worthy of the title, hell keep it this time around.

as for Guerrero Angle, Angle's been out of commision for awhile and guerrero's the fan favourite, i'd say since i dont think they'll be giving the title match to the fan favourite, they'll have to give this one to Guerrero.

[Ronin]

i predict that HBK comes back and kicks Kane´s ass for what he did to him https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Will the dudleys be there? I watched the edge and orton match on Bottom line this morning which was crap imo. Liked vince firing angle from his postion that was funny https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Efrem Da King]

Dudleys will almost certainly be there. I recon the Deadman will win.


The people on the Wallpaper that I can see clearly are:


The Big Show, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker, Booker Tee, THe dudleys, Eddie Guerro and someone who I think is JBl.

I have no clue who the other 5 people are. But Chris Benoui, HHH, Kane and Shawn michaels are not among them. So it is clear to me that there will be a Raw Wall paper as well. The Ad is hilarious.

[Fragony]

Hmmmm wrestling, homo-erotic violence extravaganza.

well each to it's own https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Muneyoshi]

Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ July 24 2004,01:07)]The people on the Wallpaper that I can see clearly are:


The Big Show, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker, Booker Tee, THe dudleys, Eddie Guerro and someone who I think is JBl.

I have no clue who the other 5 people are. But Chris Benoui, HHH, Kane and Shawn michaels are not among them. So it is clear to me that there will be a Raw Wall paper as well. The Ad is hilarious.
Taker, Booker, Dudleys, Batista, Eddie, Benoit, RVD (Im almost certain), Benoit (Again), Bubba Ray Dudley, and Jeff Hardy

I think its Taker over JBL and prolly Eddie over Angle though Angle could very well win as well by cheating for the heel pop.

Also the 2 Raw main evens for SS are supposed to be Orton vs Benoit for title and HHH vs Eugene. Im hoping for a Orton face turn and fued with Evolution. Orton vs HHH or Batista would be pretty could (Batista to start out with, then HHH.) Flair sucks imo, always has. All charisma, same match over and over, no skill, etc. etc.

Oh and Cena vs Booker is one of the matches too I think, just basing that off of SD this week. Cena to win if it is one.

[shakaka36]

i will never stop hoping for a HHH HBK reunion, i know it wont happen, but i hope for it all the same........

and for that matter a HHH and X-Pac reunion, or a HHH and the new age outlaws reunion..... or pretty much an all round DX reunion.....

and also a HHH and Stephanie reunion, i liked the whole evil husband and wife thing

[shakaka36]

Flair sucks imo, always has. All charisma, same match over and over, no skill, etc. etc.



stop talking and run away before i hit you over the head with a shovel for sladering one fo the greatest of all time


as for evolution im hoping for Orton to win the title and then for the group to turn on HHH

[Efrem Da King]

Yeah if it realy is orton vs benoin Orton will win.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I must have watched flair for 12 or something years and he makes me laugh man, always has. He is more entertaining than most of them. What the hell has happened to Guerrero? Challenging for big titles? He is so awful and about as entertaining as a graveyard https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Muneyoshi]

I never had any probs with Flair, I tolerated him. Until he decided to bash Bret Hart (As well as Mick and a few other well respected wrestlers). And also when he freaked out on an interviewer for using the terms heel and face. Hes not even a has been. He deserves no respect. Hogan, Hogan deserves respect despite the fact he was never really talented in the ring simply because of the monster WWE and wrestling in general has become large part due to him. Flair doesnt.

[Kraellin]

oh. wrestling. and here i thought this was a political thread about the coming elections in nov. my bad ;)

K.

[Efrem Da King]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ July 24 2004,18:51)]I must have watched flair for 12 or something years and he makes me laugh man, always has. He is more entertaining than most of them. What the hell has happened to Guerrero? Challenging for big titles? He is so awful and about as entertaining as a graveyard https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
HAH

Flair sux. No talent hack. He called Mick Foley A glorified stuntman. He deserves no respect at all.



LATINO HEAT on the other hand... HE ROX


How can you have seen the adds for him and chavo and not laugh...

Eddie: Chavo you stole the babies crib??

Chavo: I had to take something Uncle Eddie, you stole everything else.

Not to mention they way he cheats is [extremely] hilarious.

VIVA MI RASA HOLMES



@Kraillin LOL do you not read the thread descriptions???

[shakaka36]

yes flair is arrogant but he is one of the most talented proffessional wrestlers alive, not to mention foley himself will tell you he thinks flair said those things becuase flair wants a match with foley.


remeber the eddie chavo ad on the golf course, that was so funny

[Muneyoshi]

Do me a favour and watch a dozen sepperate matches of his vs various opponents. Its the same match over and over and over and over. He isnt talented at all. He is horrible, yet he has the balls to claim Bret Hart/Mick/etc. had no talent? Flair is a self proclaimed legend, unlike the true legends (Bret, Taker, Mick, Sting, The Giant, Hulk, Jushin Liger, Dynamite Kid. I could go on for days) who are legends because thats what the FANS called them not themselves. True legends dont need to call themselves legends, they just are.

[shakaka36]

*has seen about a hundred ric flair matches*

[Muneyoshi]

Havent paid much attention then have ya? He has the same spots, the same bumps, the same everything (except opponent) every time.

[Efrem Da King]

WOOOH



But really flair does have an identical match each time. Whats with the going to the top rope and getting pushed off EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

[Leo]

Flair sucks.

End of argument.

[Muneyoshi]

Oh and btw, I think Dudleys are vs Paul London and Billy Kidman for the titles

[Efrem Da King]

I can't stand Paul london and Billy kidman Whatever happened to good tag teams, like scoty too hotty and rakishi? and obvioulsy Charli haus and Rico accompanied by miss jackie.



Shooting star press has made its way onto my [very bad] finishing moves list. Along side such classics as the FU and Clothesline from hell and edges spear.

My fav finishers being, FROG SPLASH Tombstone Piledriver Canes choke slam (he just does it sooo well), Battista bomb, Pedigree, Crippler Crossface, the duddley dog, Stone COld stunner, rock bottom, Golderbergs spear, F5, Green Mist and of course the hardest move to do in the game THE TIGER BOMB

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think you being unfair to flair man. He is legend with Foley, funk, hart, hogan, 'taker, sting, Macho man, rick rude and many others. He has been wrestling for years and deserves respect and that running down of other wrestlers i would take with a pinch of salt.

Bret hart had alot of the same moves, the elbow of the middle rope, the russian legsweep, sharpshooter, and the snap suplex. I watched him for years and i would never run him down, his match with davey boy smith at summerslam 92, wrestlemania 12 vs Michaels and austin at wrestlemania 13 was fantastic but wrestlers work to a script and thats why the matches will look the same. Some of the recent matches i have watched have been awful compared to the great years(88-91 and 96-99) some of the matches round then were really, really good.
The only wreslers that are new and have talent are Batista and i like ultimo dragon and ray mysterio but i watched them when they were in wcw, and really thats it (I'm not putting the rock, HHH and Booker) there and i use to like bradshaw and kane when they were mean, violent guys, what the hell has happened man The dead man is sad now. Where is the evil one we all know and love, like when he chucked foley of an 18 foot cell Ahh i miss those days https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

People who were really talented like the dudleys, Taz, Goldberg and raven were/have been wasted. Watch the old wcw and ecw and you will get what i'm saying.

The tag teams i miss were the new age outlaw, the acolytes and the dudleys when they would put anyone and i mean anyone through a table( see old may young an 80 year old to see where i'm coming from)

I'm not sure about london but kidman has talent for many years, lets just hope he goes table first at summerslam though https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Muneyoshi]

Unlike Flair, true legends didnt always have to get their spots in and their matches werent the same even when they did. Flair has never been more then an amateur with charisma, that his how he got so big. Im not sure about the rest of you, but I prefer good wrestling over a good interview. Bret, Owen, Terry Funk, neither of them were exactly mic masters but have put on some of the best matches ever.

Oh and so everyone knows, despite this is a WWE thread, Jeff Hardy has/is signed a contract with NWATNA so you'll be able to watch him every Friday on Fox Sports Net. I think he could of been great, he just had his priorities in the wrong area. I dont know why he just wont go to rehab, thats all he needs to do to re-sign with WWE. Supposedly hes not the same Jeff Hardy he used to be though, just have to see in TNA.

[shakaka36]

i gues we will have to agree to disagree on the issue of flair, after all i despise the dudley boyz, yet i know lots of people who liek them, its all opinion

as for jeff hardy, i hope hes got his priorities sorted out, and since their is no TNA broadcast in Norway, i will be unabel to see him

[King Edward]

Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ July 26 2004,22:47)]My fav finishers being, FROG SPLASH Tombstone Piledriver Canes choke slam (he just does it sooo well), Battista bomb, Pedigree, Crippler Crossface, the duddley dog, Stone COld stunner, rock bottom, Golderbergs spear, F5, Green Mist and of course the hardest move to do in the game THE TIGER BOMB
I cant Believe you left out THE most Electrifying move in Sports Entertainmnrt

Legends of Wrestling... IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE LEGENDS OF WRESTLING ARE

One day the Great one will return to Layeth the Smacketh down on all their candy Asses

IF YA SMMMEEEELLLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK, IS COOKING

[Leo]

Quote[/b] (King Edward @ July 27 2004,10:23)]
Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ July 26 2004,22:47)]My fav finishers being, FROG SPLASH Tombstone Piledriver Canes choke slam (he just does it sooo well), Battista bomb, Pedigree, Crippler Crossface, the duddley dog, Stone COld stunner, rock bottom, Golderbergs spear, F5, Green Mist and of course the hardest move to do in the game THE TIGER BOMB
I cant Believe you left out THE most Electrifying move in Sports Entertainmnrt

Legends of Wrestling... IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE LEGENDS OF WRESTLING ARE

One day the Great one will return to Layeth the Smacketh down on all their candy Asses

IF YA SMMMEEEELLLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK, IS COOKING
The rock bottom is there, I hope you don't mean the people's ellbow. It sucks, almost just as much as Hogans leg drop did.

Best finishers are the rock bottom and, although I don't like Austin, the Stone Cold Stunner.

@BKB: Goldberg had talent? When?

One last word on Flair:
I never liked him. He is slow, he has about three moves, he is boring. I don't see where one can see him having charisma. I miss watching wrestling sometimes, 'cause it's no longer on TV here, but not having to see Flair is a bright spot.

[shakaka36]

my fav finishers would have to be: the sweet chin music, the tombstone, and the sharpshooter.

as for sumerslam, now that the orton benoit match is assured, and thus so is a split in evolution logical, so what do you see as happening: orton splitting from the group, or the group turning on HHH, i myself simply cant make a decision

[Muneyoshi]

Quote[/b] ]my fav finishers would have to be: the sweet chin music, the tombstone, and the sharpshooter.

Seconded.

As for the Evolution split, it would be Orton who would split. If you notice, the fans are already treating him as a face, so its only logical to turn him into one.

Also, Edge is supposedly turning heel sometime soon.

[Efrem Da King]

Oh yeah sweet chin music forgot that.


I sure hope so. IF Orton lost the whole I'm a villain so I have to be annoying thing I could really like him. And edge just might not be so awful as a villain. I really really want Cena to turn evil. He kisses the crowds [behinds] far too much. HE BETTER NOT DO IT IN SYDNEY Or I am gonna boo his [behind] oh wait. I'm gonna do taht anyway

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Leo, when his first year in wcw was great. Fighting with ravens flock and the nwo(the proper one not the shite one the wwe tried to do and failed) was terrific. He made the spear, and makes Edges one look laughable.

Best moves:

Diamind dust(stunner type move of the middle rope.
3D
Jackknife
Pearl river pludge
Reverse Tombstone

and many, many more

The WWE need an austin figure, i though Brock Lesner was great, pity he has gone now thought https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

[Ronin]

best moves:

-Sweet Chin Music
-Jacknife Powerbomb
-Sharpshooter

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[King Edward]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ July 27 2004,12:14)]The WWE need an austin figure, i though Brock Lesner was great, pity he has gone now thought https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif
What happend to him??

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

He went to the nfl i think

[Leo]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ July 27 2004,13:14)]Leo, when his first year in wcw was great. Fighting with ravens flock and the nwo(the proper one not the shite one the wwe tried to do and failed) was terrific. He made the spear, and makes Edges one look laughable.
Right. Spear tackle, Jackhammer.
Great moves I give him that but there was nothing else. In many fights there actually wasn't anything else, just coming down, spear, jackhammer. Entertaining? Sure, for a while. Talent? I never saw any.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The talent thing was mainly for taz and raven who had plenty of it in ecw and wcw.

Goldberg fought like other american sport stars who entered wrestling. He was no legend but i found him entertaining. He was wcw's austin but never had the wrestling ability or charisma of Stone Cold.

[Leo]

Then we completely agree.

Nice avatar btw.

[Muneyoshi]

Has anyone noticed how the Stone Cold Steve Austin character was simply a rip off of Sandman without the hardcore style? Just realized that. Always loved ECW, RVD, Sabu, New Jack, Sandman, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Taz, Chris Candido. Shame WWE doesnt have the hardcore matches that ECW did.

Btw anyone remember Kerry von Erich? (aka Texas Tornado)

[Leo]

Quote[/b] (Muneyoshi @ July 27 2004,22:55)]Btw anyone remember Kerry von Erich? (aka Texas Tornado)
Sure do. He died early, didn't he?

[Muneyoshi]

Yeah he shot himself. That family is cursed, at least 4 of them have become wrestlers and died by suicide or other un-natural causes. Might be more, but I know 4 for a fact.

[King Edward]

Ironic that he was one half of the Natural Disasters, and so many of his family have died by unnatural causes.

[Efrem]

Creeepy dude. Not, I haven't seen Raw and I won't see smackdown until friday morning Raw and Saturday morning Smackdown (in america) Friday and saturday night in aus.

[Leo]

Ironic that he was one half of the Natural Disasters, and so many of his family have died by unnatural causes.

You're sure? The natural disasters I know were Typhoon and Earthquake.

[King Edward]

Hummm Actually i think your right Leo! my bad. Tornado, Typhoon, easily confused!! :tomato:

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The sandman is, was and ever shall be the man. Beer drinking, mad man that always gave violence on a grand scale and when he was hak in wcw his hardcore matches, although not as good as his ecw days, were great, especially against bam bam and raven.

By the way, i watched the iron man match the other day on raw and it was good but someone needs to maim eugene man, a particualr violent pedigree through a table should do the trick!

[King Edward]

I do like the way Eugeene Hits rather lame versions of the Stone Cold Stunner and Rock Bottom on people and still knockes them out. Still there needs to be a come back for the Great one for me to truly get back into WWE, i just catch Bottom Line some nights after work. (Iron man match was quite good)

[Efrem]

I like eugenes own moves too, like the Wirly Bird and "The Dog".

[shakaka36]

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so orton won, thought so, and havign just watched the latest raw it seems that orton was indeed the one who splits, having been turned on by evolution, needless to say i am annoyed, i was looking forward to HHH gettign mobbed by evolution, and then having HBk come down to help him, sure knew it wasnt gonna happen, but i can hope cant i?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I watched some of it and it was awful, really awful. The undertakers match was so crap the fans were doing a mexican wave all the way through and that chokeslam through the car made me laugh because it looked terrible and i was expecting Eugene to get battered but that match was shite as well!

The only thing that i liked was seeing what HHH did to Regal last week on Raw, that was great ~:wave:

[ShadesPanther]

I miss the old Hardcore matches with Mick Foley and Al Snow. When the Hardcore title was made 24/7 it turned Shite.

Ken Shamrock's Ankle Lock was by far the best version of all the Ankle Locks. Kurt Angle's one desn't really look as if it works.


I only really watched up to the Dva dodgeball as I thought that Smackdown was quite poor. I remember the Ladder match for the Intercontinental championship with the Rock and Triple H. That was a match

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Couldn't agree more shades, its not as good as it was, those hardcore matches were great and the hell in a cell in 98 was, well the most enjoyable match i have watched. That was a match :knight:

[Efrem Da King]

":Kurt Angle's one desn't really look as if it works."


Well it does. I tapped out the second it was put on me. It is sooo painful. You need to be strong to do it though.Thats Why I like the crippler.

[SeveredSoul]

Wow...there are wrestling fans here at the Org!?!?!?!

Speaking of great hardcore matches....

Shane McMahon vs. Kurt Angle at King of the Ring in a Street Fight.
Shane was put through 2 sheets of glass that made up the stage area
The first belly-to-belly suplex from Angle didn't put Shane thru and he landed right on his head. So they try a second time.....same outcome.
Finally he put Shane thru the glass and Good Ol' JR just freaked out.
Then Angle tries the same thing from inside to out and he landed on his head again. Finally both the guys had enough of the belly-to-belly suplexes and Kurt just grabbed Shane by the back of the head and tossed him face and shoulder first through the other glass.

Kurt eventually won with an Angle Slam off of and piece of plywood that was on top of the ropes in the corner. Both men were of course a bloody mess.

And I just sit there everytime I watch that match and say "Wow."

Let's see ........ Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk in the IWPA King of the Deathmatches series.
No Rope Barbwire Landmine and Exploding Ring
Oh yeah and a crapload of tacks

Oh yeah and the gratest barbwire match ever.....................

Terry Funk vs. Sabu for the ECW Heavyweight Title.
If you have ever seen it you know it ranks right up there on the list of hardcore. And if you get the chance to watch it...do it. You won't be sorry.

-Soul


p.s. This is my first post in this fourm. I saw "Summer Slam" and said "Oh, I just gotta' look." Glad I did. ~:wave:

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Severed soul, that bit when shane is suplex into a wall and then lands on his head, christ that would have hurt.

One of my fav hardcore matches was Taz vs Bam Bam in ECW when Taz Roman suplexed(if you have seen some of his suplexs you will know how wreckless they are) Bam Bam through the walkway.

Holy Shit as they use to say ~D

[ShadesPanther]

Well it does. I tapped out the second it was put on me. It is sooo painful. You need to be strong to do it though.Thats Why I like the crippler.


I've had both done to me and when the person is standing up you can easily kick out of it but when he is on his knees you can't get out of it. I had it done to me and I limped for a week.

[SeveredSoul]

Blind King, Yeah I've seen that suplex. Even better is when Taz suplexes Bam BAm off the walkway and into the crowd at another match they had.
When Taz does the suplex they of course both fall off the walkway. Bam Bam goes into the crowd and Taz comes down back of head first onto the steel guardrail.....ouch.

It should be said that I probably have most of the ECW tapes that were released by RF Video before all of the legal problems that Rob Fienstien is currently embroiled in. You got a favorite ECW match....just let me know, I have most likely seen it or have it ~:)


-Soul

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Fav ecw matches:


The hardcore match between New jack and i think his old tag partner Mustapha? Well some Big fat guy comes out and helps him and new jack and him are fighting on a balcony and they bith fall off, miss the table they are supposed to land through and crash straight to the concrete. It must have been a 20 foot drop.

So many of the dudley matches, especially when new jack would come out and a match between them against balls mahoney and i think spike dudley with the flaming tables. I heard big dick dudley died not so long ago and was sad about that man.

Also the when sid joined the federation and would cause complete destruction. Van dammes matches with Jerry lynn were fantastic displays of wrestling ability.

So many of sandman, dreamer and ravens matches.


Fav thing of all was when Tommy dreamer was choke slammed through at least 5 or 6 tables of a balcony by the man who use to be chaniz from DOA in the old wwf.

Holy shit i think we all shouted at that one!

I have about 10-15 ECW vids and there is so much violence with great and often disgusting moves( the tiger plex on sabu by Taz through a table which broke his neck, and by the looks of it i wouldn't be surprised if it did) was the reason i loved it so much.

Also Spike dudley vs Mike Awesome was great. Porr spike man. That guy is just born to go through tables in a sickening way!

[Efrem Da King]

Well last night I got to see Wrestling Live for the first time.

It rocked. Cept for Taker vs JBL, that was shoot yourself boring AND THE ENTIRE TOUR WAS NAMED AFTER TAKER!! Imgaine their match at summerslam, taking twice the time with an 1/8 of the moves.


Eddie vs Angle was the main event and was f*cking hilarous. The 3rd match in the best of 5 series between Cena And Booker was ok.

I for one was greatly dissapointed by the fact that there was no car ramp. Meaning no Limo and even worse NO LOW RIDER!! ~:mecry: .

Not to mention NO ANNOUNCERS!!!!!!!

Suprise Suprise no titles changed hands, With taker being disqaulified and both spike and Paul London/Billy Kidman retaining their titles. Chavo wasn't there because of his injury ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: , him there would have meant it would be a triple threat match for the cruiser wieght title, which would have been F*cking AWESOME!!

[Efrem Da King]

Oh yeah sweet chin music forgot that.


I sure hope so. IF Orton lost the whole I'm a villain so I have to be annoying thing I could really like him. And edge just might not be so awful as a villain. I really really want Cena to turn evil. He kisses the crowds [behinds] far too much. HE BETTER NOT DO IT IN SYDNEY Or I am gonna boo his [behind] oh wait. I'm gonna do taht anyway



Update on that. He did, and I and my friends booed him and held up a sign say


"MY HOUSE NOT YOURS CENA"

For my full impressions see page 2.