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khelvan
06-03-2005, 00:55
Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans!

As you are aware, we have begun our closed beta test. We asked only a small number of people to take part, including the official Beta Test team; there may be more opportunities in the future, but take heart that the closed beta will allow us to reach a playable form much more quickly so that everyone may participate in the open beta. Please allow us to set expectations - this is still a beta, and bugs are to be expected in a project of this magnitude.

We apologize for not meeting your expectation of a weekend update. We do our best to meet your expectations, but sometimes our families, real lives, and mod work come first. A lot of things must come together to make these updates, and the pieces have not fallen into place before now.

Today or tomorrow should see a new release make its way into the hands of our closed testers, and so we'll be moving even closer to the open beta.

This week, the EB team is proud to present:

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/5315/logogermans1medium6kk9na.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img121.echo.cx/img121/9751/germania1mm8dn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)http://img27.echo.cx/img27/9900/swebozterritory5go.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Háiláz Kuningáz!

We, the Erilōz and all Fránkámánnōz of the Swêbōz have raised you on the shield to be both the Kuningáz and the Hárjánáz of all our tribes in this time of its need. As a man of a noble lineage which can trace its blood to the ancient gods, the elders of our peoples trust that you will be a just and wise ruler and bring good fortune to us all. And as a warrior, skilled and crafty in battle, our warbands swear to follow you in war and do your bidding, so long as your judgement is clear and your war-luck holds.

As you know, our federation stands on the brink of both great opportunity and great danger. To our west, over the great river Rhine, lie the rich and fertile lands of the Gauls. These people are strong warriors and well-armed, but they have grown soft with easy living and are torn by their own rivalries. They also look fearfully to the south, over the mountains, where rumour has it the city-dwelling Southmen - the Romans- are growing ever stronger. Now may be the time for us to cross the river and finally take for ourselves those lands that we have raided and pillaged for generations.

But we must also look to closer concerns. Our tribes, the Sêmnōnōz, the Márkámánnōz, the Lángōbárdōz and the Hêrmundurōz, to name only a few of our mighty federation, are strong amongst the peoples of the north, but we have attracted jealous rivals. The Hêruskōz are a proud tribe and would be happy to usurp our status. They may not have our numbers, but they have proven themselves fierce fighters. They would be particularly threating to us with they conquered or made a common cause with the Hábukōz or the Háttōz. Perhaps it would be wise for us to make the first move and bring all three of these tribes into our federation, either by reason or by force.

And there are other threats further afield. In the far north, the peoples of Skándzá are stirring and with the Rugōz and Gōtánōz, could threaten us from the north-east. And there are rumours, that a great wandering army from amongst the Kimbriōz will march through Gaul and bring war and fire to the far off land of the southern people. Subduing these dangerous warriors would aid our safety, add to our strength and give us access to the northern seas.

With our flanks secured, there are warm rich lands to the west and south for our warriors to conquer. We don't lack for courage, strength and wisdom in war, Wōdánáz willing. And what we lack in swords and armour we can remedy through looting and conquest. With good fortune, good judgement and cunning strategy, we can expand our lands in all directions and become the richest and mightiest tribe the northlands have ever seen.

Our future is in your hands.

Here are a few action shots:

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/5631/actionfrankammanozattack1lj.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=actionfrankammanozattack1lj.jpg)
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/524/actionmissleexchange1ew.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=actionmissleexchange1ew.jpg)
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/1750/actionridoharjazattack3wz.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=actionridoharjazattack3wz.jpg)
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/6444/actionskandzaattack7wa.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=actionskandzaattack7wa.jpg)

Some of the units you will find in the Swêbōz armies:

http://img94.echo.cx/img94/2120/swainoz3bw.th.jpg (http://img94.echo.cx/my.php?image=swainoz3bw.jpg)
Swáinōz - Swáinōz are lightly armed troops who break up and harass enemy formations before the main battle lines meet, and act as a screen for heavier troops. Their skills also make them useful in springing tactical ambushes. Each man is armed with a clutch of throwing framea, a slightly longer frame for melee and a stout ovular shield, but they do not wear armour, preferring speed over protection. Swáinōz are mostly the tribe’s younger warriors. These men have yet to prove themselves as warriors. The Swainaz are armed with up to three throwing framea and a frame for the melee.

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/5205/bugimannoz2km.th.jpg (http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=bugimannoz2km.jpg)
Bugimánnōz - These germanic bowmen learned their skill with their chosen weapon by hunting in the dense germanic forests. Bugimánnōz are used to harass and break up enemy formations, so that other warriors can then get in amongst their enemies. Their bows have a short range, but each warrior carries a good selection of hunting and war arrows, designed to cause massive bleeding and pierce armour respectively. Their choice of missile is matched to the nature of the target. These tribesmen are also armed with the typical germanic spear - the framea, which means that they can do more than just defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat. They can, when required, act as light infantry. Their presence on a battlefield is always useful, as they have the flexibility to be both archers and infantry and do a good job in both tasks. These Bugimánnōz are at their best in wooded country, where their superior stalking skills learned on the hunt can be put to use.

http://img253.echo.cx/img253/1276/frankamannoz9yb.th.jpg (http://img253.echo.cx/my.php?image=frankamannoz9yb.jpg)
Fránkámánnōz - Germanic Tribesmen are mostly yeomen and hunters. From a very early age they are accustomed to persistent tribal wars and raids. As soon as they recieve their spear and shield according to germanic tradition they are adults and full warriors of their tribe. These tribesmen lack the training of the germanic warbands, but are fierce and their experience in constant tribal clashes make them better then most other militias. Their armament consists of a sturdy frame and an ovular shield. They have nothing in the way of armor except for trousers.

http://img66.echo.cx/img66/7994/habukozswaiut2sf.th.jpg (http://img66.echo.cx/my.php?image=habukozswaiut2sf.jpg)
Hábukōz-Swáiut - The Chaucii are a numerous tribe inhabiting the extreme northwestern shore of Germania. The tribe called itself Hawks - Hábukōz in their own language - and their warriors often used symbols of those birds on their clothing and shields. Hábukōz warriors form warbands, called Swáiut, and are bound to the service of a strongman or petty village head. They fight well, as glory and loot are the road to status, but are often difficult to control. The Hábukōz-Swáiut can form the shieldwall, a very good defensive formation and can be relied on to fight, and fight hard. In warfare it is up to each man to prove his own bravery and worth, so the savage charge into the enemy is about as sophisticated as they ever want to be. Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending, ideal for thrusting and throwing , and a stout, large ovular shield for protection.

http://img94.echo.cx/img94/3273/merjoz2ly.th.jpg (http://img94.echo.cx/my.php?image=merjoz2ly.jpg)
Mêrjōz - Mêrjōz are an elite among tribal warriors, selected for their physical size, strength, bravery and not to forget agility and speed as these warriors run directly behind their cavalry into the fray. Double-handed axes are intimidating weapons, especially in the hands of these warriors. These men can hack a hole in almost any enemy battle line. They are the assault troops of any barbarian army, the men whose only job is to smash any organised resistance and keep on killing until no foes remain. They are fantastically strong men - and need to be to wield their enormous two-handed axes with any degree of skill and control. The axes are easily capable of cleaving a man down to his breastbone even through armour.

http://img94.echo.cx/img94/4264/sahsnotoz2vw.th.jpg (http://img94.echo.cx/my.php?image=sahsnotoz2vw.jpg)
Sáhsnōtōz - Sáhsnōtōz means Swordbondsmen and these fighters hail from such warlike tribes as the Cimbrii, the Cheruscii, the Chaucii, and the numerous clans of the Suebii confederation. Swords are not plentiful in germanic lands, due to the expense and iron needed for a such a weapon, and so these fierce and valiant warriors carry their highly valued swords with pride. They fight in dense formation, often with their own kinsmen at their side. The Sahsnotaz carry a long sword, up to two framea for throwing
and a large ovular shield for protection.

http://img94.echo.cx/img94/5586/skandzaswaiut5ox.th.jpg (http://img94.echo.cx/my.php?image=skandzaswaiut5ox.jpg)
Skándzá-Swáiut - Scandia and the island of the gothii are rough lands with a harsh climate, and its people are used to fighting everyday for survival. The Swáiut of these tribes are fierce and hardy and they fight well, as glory and loot are the road to status, but are often difficult to control as they have little tactical sense, but are experts at reading the land and hiding when there is cover. In warfare it is up to each man to prove his own bravery and worth, so the savage charge into the enemy is about as sophisticated as they ever want to be. Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending, ideal for thrusting and throwing and a stout, large ovular shield for protection.

http://img118.echo.cx/img118/4763/wodanawulfoz7rp.th.jpg (http://img118.echo.cx/my.php?image=wodanawulfoz7rp.jpg)
Wōdánáwulfōz (http://img49.echo.cx/img49/3583/reaver7fz9dx.jpg) - Wōdánáwulfōz hail from the Harii tribe, which belong to the Suebii confederation. These warriors are fierce in nature and trick out their innate ferocity by the help of art and choice of time- they blacken their shields and dye their bodies; they choose pitchy nights for their battles and strike fear into their enemies by the terrifying and shadowy appearance of an army of the dead. A particularly frightening tactic of the Wolf-Warriors, which amaze their enemies, is that they are so fast on foot that they would team up with a horse-riding warrior, hang on to the mane of the horse with their left hand, wield their weapons with their right hand, and charge into battle, running as fast as the horse directly into the fray. Before battle, they daub their bodies with black dye, giving them an otherworldly appearance. When the moment is right, they charge - wild-eyed and screaming - at their foes. Any who survive assaults by these maniacal barbarians are convinced they are spirits sent from Hell. Wōdánáwulfōz carry a sword and have also up to two framea for throwing. For protection, only a stout ovular shield.

http://img121.echo.cx/img121/9288/ridoharjoz0pt.th.jpg (http://img121.echo.cx/my.php?image=ridoharjoz0pt.jpg)
Ridōhárjōz - Ridōhárjōz ride sturdy and sure-footed ponies with a good turn of speed, and are excellent light cavalry, useful as scouts as well as harass enemy formations before the main battle lines with their throwing framea. Like many germanic warriors, however, they can lack battle-discipline and be over-keen to enter battle against worthy opponents. This can lead them to be headstrong, and difficult to restrain before a fight, as personal glory gained in battle is always welcome. Honour and standing come from fighting, and sometimes the urge for glory overwhelms good sense!

Their war gear of framea and shield is the very finest that can be provided. Before a battle starts the Ridon often throw a few framea at the enemy. These warriors are armed with a frame for thrusting and up to two framea for throwing. For protection they carry only a round or ovular wooden shield, because speed is more important for them than armor.

Finally, a signature image:
http://img12.echo.cx/img12/8528/logogermans1small7wa5ob.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

We hope you enjoyed this week's (belated) preview. Next week's may be slightly delayed as well, as our scheduling is a bit off at the moment.

Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures shown in our news posts are of works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and will do so long after our initial release.

Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.

As always, if you have questions or comments, the best place to post them would be here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Or here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31

We give special thanks to http://www.imageshack.us who provide us with a simple, foolproof, and free way to show you all these pictures each week.

Have a wonderful day!

Sincerely,

-the EB team

Quietus
06-03-2005, 01:11
Those Wōdánáwulfōz, looked like killer racoons! ~D :balloon2:

Nice Khelvan and the Swêbōz team! :charge:

IrishMike
06-03-2005, 01:15
Excellent stuff. This looks like its gonna be one of the harder factions to play.

Sarcasm
06-03-2005, 01:20
Yeah....the Germanic team did a really good. I personally love the 2-handed axe (the Dane-axe being one of my favourite weapons...so I gotta love these guys....).

One more thing...I really hope people appreciate this preview, after giving Khelvan such a hard time. You can't imagine the kind of stress that's been going on with the final stages of mod's BETA.

DemonArchangel
06-03-2005, 01:24
Why is it, that there are 4 units that are wielding a spear, oval shield and 2 Javelins? And you say you didn't have enough unit slots...

Bouchious
06-03-2005, 01:24
well worth the wait... all your work is beautiful.
one question, the opening description (all the opening text) will that be the spoken part on the intro of Sweboz video thingy? just sounds (struggling to find apropriate word) narrative?

GoreBag
06-03-2005, 01:55
Hooray! So many unarmoured units...wow. It may be quite a challenge to command ze Germans once the beta is released.
Is it just me, or do the Wolf-warriors all have mullets?!

Thanks for the preview, guys. Everything looks great.

Pycckuu
06-03-2005, 02:22
The wait was well worth it, these guys look great!

Zero1
06-03-2005, 02:35
Wow, those axewielders look cool...But I was under the impression that those big axes were ahistorical for the time period and I find myself overcome by curiosity, would any of the historians working on the Germanic faction care to elaborate on the historical signifigance of such a weapon in this time period? I'm truly interested.

In any event, the battles between the Germans and the Gauls look like they're going to be nothing short of "epic".

runes
06-03-2005, 02:46
i like how in the first screenie, a bunch of these germans are routing ;)

also interesting that most of these units are very very similar, with only slight variations.

i also think it's cool that alot of units are armed with ranged weapons (every faction so far has had the majority of infantry with some sort of short range weapon, adds a very new element to the game)

but what are those Gaul spearmen in the first screen? they look... terrifying

khelvan
06-03-2005, 02:46
Why is it, that there are 4 units that are wielding a spear, oval shield and 2 Javelins? And you say you didn't have enough unit slots...Because the primary weapon of the Germanics was the framea, a thrusting/throwing spear. We're not going to give them a lot of swords when swords were very hard to come by.

As to your units question, we're not really hurting for unit slots, though they would be nice to come by, as any change in stats or unit name requires a new unit slot. What we're really hurting for are model slots, especially since we can have only one texture for each faction per model + one merc texture. So if you see four units with spears, shields, and javelins, it requires at LEAST two model slots, if not more, even if the actual model itself may be the same. Models and model slots are two different things.

Alexander the Pretty Good
06-03-2005, 02:50
Beautiful Countdown, all the more becuase we had to wait so long. Thank you khelvan & co. ~:cheers:

Zero1
06-03-2005, 02:54
i like how in the first screenie, a bunch of these germans are routing ;)

also interesting that most of these units are very very similar, with only slight variations.

i also think it's cool that alot of units are armed with ranged weapons (every faction so far has had the majority of infantry with some sort of short range weapon, adds a very new element to the game)

but what are those Gaul spearmen in the first screen? they look... terrifying
I'm pretty sure those are Soldurii

Sarcasm
06-03-2005, 03:15
You're right, they're Soldurii.

vizigothe
06-03-2005, 03:16
nice work guys

also i loved the introduction

cant wait for the open beta

runes
06-03-2005, 04:09
yeea, soldurii, those are the guys. looks great as always

Big_John
06-03-2005, 04:11
haha, awesome! it's going to be so much fun over-running, subjugating and tyrannizing the "civilised" factions with these maniacs!
http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys2/Axe_anim.gif

Ergion
06-03-2005, 04:17
Congratulations EB team. That Swêbōz are wonderful ~:cheers:

antiochus epiphanes
06-03-2005, 05:31
once again you amaze me to shock. :dizzy2:
i still think bactria is your shining jewel. ~:cheers:
great,is the word for this preview.
are you sure you guys dont work for CA?

QwertyMIDX
06-03-2005, 06:36
If we are then they owe me some serious paychecks. Man, I could use some paychecks.

Little Legioner
06-03-2005, 08:33
Hermann bless Varius curse you! They're amazing. Accurate reflection of germanic tribal army shining like a axe! Pick up your framae and prepare to war! ~D

Quietus@
"Those Wōdánáwulfōz, looked like killer racoons!"

You cracked me up. :laugh4: :smash:

Nightbringer.woc
06-03-2005, 08:43
Those Mêrjōz are absolutely beautiful and are now one of my favourite units, why does this happen everytime a preview comes out? Again another amazing set of skins from the EB team. This means I can't wait for the open beta even more. This preview is much appreciated Khelvan as I can only guess how much work you already have on your hands, but thank you for giving us a brief glimpse into this wonderful looking project.

Omegamann
06-03-2005, 11:04
Although I absolutely love your rendition of the Germanic people, I only have one small remark.
In Ceasars "De Bello" he explicitely mentiones the exploits of his Germanic mercenary horse, and though im not sure I think he mentiones them having red hair.
So it would be nice to see some Germans with red haircolor in there (although you could keep that for german mercenary cavalry)

eadingas
06-03-2005, 11:32
Caesar, writing in 50's BC, is not the most accurate source of information about what happened 200 or more years earlier.

No 17
06-03-2005, 12:13
The faction looks great good work, cant wait to play the game.

KingOfTheIsles
06-03-2005, 13:28
Caesar, writing in 50's BC, is not the most accurate source of information about what happened 200 or more years earlier.

Well, doesn't the EB team have to take some educated guesses about the Germans in 270BC, after all, there isn't much documented knowledge of them in that time, is there?

eadingas
06-03-2005, 13:37
Well, I'm not part of Sueboz team, but I sure hope they have something more reliable than just guesses, otherwise if we'd have to base this mod only on what Roman writers knew, we'd be in serious trouble...

jerby
06-03-2005, 13:53
are you sure you guys dont work for CA?

I'm pretty sure. because these are quality and historical units ~;)

great work guyes, i apologize if i ever offended or stressed you guys. you are not obligated to give these things. btu what a present they are.
great job on the units, "barbaric factions" are getting teh depth they deserve.I'm still a greek-hugger but the barbarians are looking better and better.





~:grouphug:

Jebus
06-03-2005, 14:10
A copy of my post at TWC, because it got buried into pages and pages of worthless dribble rather quickly there:


Weren't the Suebi those with the little 'knot' on the side of their head?
Woudn't it be kinda fun if you implemented it here too?

Now, I know using a hairstyle as an ethnic marker is a bit of is a stretch, yet they were known for it. Perhaps a unit or two with that knot?

Source:

Germania, by Tacitus

'Now I come to speak of the Suebi. They do not form one people like the Chatti or the Tencteri do. It is more the name of the inhabitants of over half of Germania, and one has to distinguish them into a series of independant tribes with a seperate name. Yet in their totality, they are often referred to as 'Suebi'.
A distinguised feature of the Suebi is that they comb their hair to the side and tie it into a knot. Because of that the Suebi distinguish themselves from other Germani, and the free men distinguish themselves from the slaves. One could find the same hairstyle with other peoples too, perhaps because they feel kindred to the Suebi or because they simply, as is so often they case, like the hairstyle. But except for the Suebi, this hairstyle is rather rare and is only seen with young people. The Suebi, on the other hand, comb their hair back even on a high age and make the knot often directly on top of the skull. The nobles arrange the hair even more artly.

Crappy webcam pic of a skull fond in a swamp in Sleeswijk-Holstein:

http://img244.echo.cx/img244/6347/a...ng0109jp.th.jpg

Oh, and please stop spamming us with these darn updates.

Spendios
06-03-2005, 14:32
Great work on the Swêbōz ! It was worth the wait !
The units are really fantastic (especially the Wōdánáwulfōz ) and I love the description of the faction, reading it I feel like a Swêbōz warlord !

Thank you for you fantastic job ! :bow:

The Stranger
06-03-2005, 15:21
awesome, they rock. i would even only play this faction for it's units.

Birka Viking
06-03-2005, 17:11
:medievalcheers: Great work again EB. Can't wait for the open beta.... ~:cheers:

Ellesthyan
06-03-2005, 17:27
Something I've noticed is that the arms of the axemen are pretty strange; from the shoulders to elbows they are muscular, but from elbows to hands a girl with anorexia would barely come close. I hope the team will look into it ~:cool:

Very cool stuff! Though I think they need some more cavalry..

Meneldil
06-03-2005, 17:34
All that is so pedantic and elitist
What is this swêböz name I have never heard of before ?
Oh well, that sucks

:clown:
Seriously, great work as usual. I don't really like the germans, but these are sure better than vanilla ones :)

TheTank
06-03-2005, 17:41
Great update Khelvan, All units are cool but i like especially the Mêrjōz unit.
Mêrjōz look really dangerous.
EB did it again ~:)
I have one question why are many germanic shields unpainted...
If the shields are unpainted it is easier for a enemy to hit the shield on a weak spot.
If you hit a shield just on the spot where to pieces of wood join each other you can easily break the shield.
Paint makes it more dificult for the enemy to detect the weakspot of the shield and paint protects the shield from the weather a bit....




PS: On the last unit action shot I you look carefully you can see a new Gallic unit, the guys are naked and i think there are the geasata warriors!

Moros
06-03-2005, 17:45
dam those units are cool and those Wōdánáwulfōz's just rule!

SaFe
06-03-2005, 17:47
I have one question why are many germanic shields unpainted...


While the gauls painted their shields, the germanics took their lands and wives.

Just a joke - i see Psycho unsheating his weapon - just a joke ~;)

TheTank
06-03-2005, 17:55
While the gauls painted their shields, the germanics took their lands and wives.

Just a joke - i see Psycho unsheating his weapon - just a joke ~;)

And enslaved the gallic warriors to paint the shields for the germanics....

Eucarionte
06-03-2005, 18:03
Just don´t like barbarians, but good work EB!

Next Faction: Allied Hellenes ok? ~D

(I´m wondering how will I ever be able to see the difference in battle between that mjordz and suojnadamj stuff... suppose i´ll switch to the old way: "guys wielding scary axes" or "hairy dirty warband" ~D )

Dago
06-03-2005, 18:31
Because the primary weapon of the Germanics was the framea, a thrusting/throwing spear. We're not going to give them a lot of swords when swords were very hard to come by.

Khelvan, the framea was in use by the Franks between III and X century AD.

khelvan
06-03-2005, 18:37
Khelvan, the framea was in use by the Franks between III and X century AD.Well, thank you for this piece of trivia! I'm not clear though; since our campaign ends in 14 AD, did you mean that as some sort of counterpoint?

Sarcasm
06-03-2005, 18:46
Yeah but not in the same role as they once had. They were no longer the primary weapon of the Germanic warrior. Saxons were notorious for their swordsmen, the Franks used a lot of axes (not to mention the francisca) and some tribes even used pikes as their main weapon (guess CA got the period wrong for the german "phalanx"). Also, the ammount of armour worn by the germanics tend to become higher and higher as the Western Empire goes down.

Proper Gander
06-03-2005, 18:54
you truly set an example for CA.

Dago
06-03-2005, 19:23
You can treat that as an advice.It will be good if you correct the descriptions to make the mod as historicaly accurate as possible.

cunctator
06-03-2005, 19:28
Great as always. I will love the crush Swêbōz with my legions.

The Wizard
06-03-2005, 19:34
The framea as a throwing weapon changed. It became the angon, the famous throwing spear used by the Francii, Alemanni and other neighboring tribal confederations. Meanwhile, as the Roman influence increased in the area (and the Celtic influence diminished), or the Roman frontier broke down (the latter happened later on, mind you), access to Roman arms was easier. The framea used for throwing evolved into the angon, a weapon remarkably similar to the pilum, which had grown out of use within the Roman army.

Why it was used less? It was a prestige weapon, because it was hard to make. It is hard to make a javelin where half of the weapon is iron, especially when the great Roman fabricae no longer produced anything similar. The Germanic smithies, where the smiths and their apprentices worked on a much smaller scale (albeit they made items of much more individual quality), took longer to produce weapons, especially such hard to make weapons as angons and swords.

In conclusion: the weapon you speak of may have existed and have been in use by the Francii and their neighbors, but it did not exist in the form you speak of in 270 BC. What the Germanic tribes of those days used is more akin to an Irish dart, to make a somewhat blunt comparison.



~Wiz

TheTank
06-03-2005, 21:31
Are the Ridōhárjōz the only horse based unit that Swêbōz gets ?!
And want about slingers and warriors with chainmail and helmets ?!

Sarcasm
06-03-2005, 21:55
Hold your....ehum....horses ~;) . This is a preview, which means, not only it doesn't show *all* the units, but also that the units presented here might be WIP.

So, don't sweat it. ~:cheers:

Lord Tomyris Reloaded
06-03-2005, 22:47
True, there are 18 Germanic units in total.

jerby
06-03-2005, 23:06
~;). nice preview. what abotu this weeks preview. you still owe us one...




Just kidding, dont ban me, dotn send in teh eB-hit-squad, i dont wanna die!

and i didnt see the hidden naked soldiers!....

Big_John
06-03-2005, 23:20
and i didnt see the hidden naked soldiers!....you mean these hidden naked soldiers?

https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/willy.jpg

jerby
06-03-2005, 23:26
yeah, those. they look a lot like the Milnaht (whatever you spell it) and the Belt they were looks weird: completly nude, but they do have a belt...(i know its for there swords)

its kind of a waste actually, to give a sword to a naked man...

Big_John
06-03-2005, 23:32
its kind of a waste actually, to give a sword to a naked man...i should think a naked man would need it most...

jerby
06-03-2005, 23:42
maby an armored soldier with a greater lifespan has a better use for it.
naked man would want to keep other away, for they woudl chop his balls of. i'd go with a spear if i were to fight naked... this is pointless....

Big_John
06-04-2005, 00:14
i bet ranika would have some input on naked maniacs..
:book:

Aymar de Bois Mauri
06-04-2005, 00:15
The belt was to hold the Celtic longsword's scabbard, guys... :rolleyes:

bodidley
06-04-2005, 00:16
If we're going to have gaesatae, wouldn't it help to give them some woad and tattoos to make them more accurate (unless EB has concluded that they didn't actually do that) and draw attention away from *ahem* their second weapon? ~:eek:

Aymar de Bois Mauri
06-04-2005, 00:24
Celts did not use tatoos. And just to ease your mind about accuracy...

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/9751/ospreycelticgallicandbritishce.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

bodidley
06-04-2005, 00:33
Yep, I've seen that picture before (I own the damn book ~;) )

But I've read that the gaesatae often painted themselves with woad before battle, and the Romans often asserted that as well (not that I trust their tall tales ~D )

Perhaps I'm being a prude, but this is a case where I would rather not observe the anatomy of my animated army ~:eek:

Meh, I'll get over it.

The Wizard
06-04-2005, 00:34
Perhaps I'm being a prude, but this is a case where I would rather not observe the anatomy of my animated army ~:eek:

That, my friend, is exactly the entire idea! ~D

bodidley
06-04-2005, 00:41
Then perhaps we should spice things up with some ravishing Cimbri warrior women ~:cool:

Sarcasm
06-04-2005, 00:55
Here we go again.....don't you guys play team sports? Or you just don't shower? :mean:

Aymar de Bois Mauri
06-04-2005, 00:56
But I've read that the gaesatae often painted themselves with woad before battle, and the Romans often asserted that as well (not that I trust their tall tales ~D )Not by 270BC. 400BC yes, but not much after that.

DemonArchangel
06-04-2005, 01:05
Use the loincloth for f*ck's sake!

Sarcasm
06-04-2005, 01:07
Why?

bodidley
06-04-2005, 01:23
Here we go again.....don't you guys play team sports? Or you just don't shower? :mean:

Yeah I've used a gang shower, and I made damn sure to hang onto my soap ~:grouphug:

khelvan
06-04-2005, 02:33
Our installation routine should provide an option for those of you who faint at the thought of swinging twigs & berries to have a loincloth.

The Celts did paint themselves with woad before battles, but these were not tattoos. Different tribes used different amounts of woad. Our Celtic group would have to talk about the Gaesatae in particular.

Quietus
06-04-2005, 02:51
Celts did not use tatoos. And just to ease your mind about accuracy...

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/9751/ospreycelticgallicandbritishce.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
Gallic warrior # 3: "It's not cool for someone to steal somebody else's pajamas. We'll hunt you down. These things are expensive stuff.
Gallic warrior # 1: "True that. I was just dipping by the lake and :poof: it's gone! Now I'm all worked up!!
Gallic warrior # 2: "Helloooooo!? Anybody picked up my friend's precious pajamas? This is not funny!

~D

GoreBag
06-04-2005, 03:38
Celts did not use tatoos. And just to ease your mind about accuracy...

I was under the impression that Celts used copper to achieve the blue ink that were used for tattoos...

Aymar de Bois Mauri
06-04-2005, 03:59
I was under the impression that Celts used copper to achieve the blue ink that were used for tattoos...Sorry. I meant Gauls, not Celts. Britons still used paintings (woad) by 270BC.

Zero1
06-04-2005, 07:49
Gallic warrior # 3: "It's not cool for someone to steal somebody else's pajamas. We'll hunt you down. These things are expensive stuff.
Gallic warrior # 1: "True that. I was just dipping by the lake and :poof: it's gone! Now I'm all worked up!!
Gallic warrior # 2: "Helloooooo!? Anybody picked up my friend's precious pajamas? This is not funny!

~D

Am I the only one who laughed me ass off at that? :laugh4:

Samurai Waki
06-04-2005, 08:04
God I just about have a Total Wargazm ~;) every time I check up on this mod. I've lost almost complete interest in RTR, keep up the kick-ass work guys.

Lord Tomyris Reloaded
06-04-2005, 08:12
I am so glad you'll provide an option not to have that evil loincloth! Historical accuracy all the way man! ~D

Jebus
06-04-2005, 08:40
Our installation routine should provide an option for those of you who faint at the thought of swinging twigs & berries to have a loincloth.


"Do you want Europa Barbarum to install a shortcut on your destkop?"

Yes / No

"Do you want Europa Barbarum to install a start-menu shortcut?"

Yes / No

"Do you want Europa Barbarum to install DirectX 9.0?"

Yes / No

"Do you want penisses?"

Yes / No

Ranika
06-04-2005, 09:04
Some Gaesatae did still paint themselves, but not all. Most Gauls, except the Birtuares (Pictones) and some Lemovices, and the aforementioned Gaesatae, did not paint themselves by 270 BC. Britons and Goidils used woad, copper dyes, and numerous other paints (almost all blue), but Noricenes used orange-ochre type dyes. Caledonians, however, actually did tattoo themselves, not just paint on.

Sheep
06-04-2005, 11:24
Our installation routine should provide an option for those of you who faint at the thought of swinging twigs & berries to have a loincloth.

Which way will be the default? Or do you know yet

Wikingus
06-04-2005, 12:00
If you can't handle historical accuracy, why don't just play vanilla RTW then?

Sfwartir
06-04-2005, 15:54
If you can't handle historical accuracy, why don't just play vanilla RTW then?


Hehe..I agree! Great faction, once again - can EB ever fail? Three cheers for the EB team! ~:cheers:

Dux Corvanus
06-04-2005, 16:55
Here we go again.....don't you guys play team sports? Or you just don't shower? :mean:

Ehem... I shower alone... and never play with naked guys... ~;p

Ergion
06-04-2005, 18:56
Ehem... I shower alone... and never play with naked guys... ~;p


Greetings from ancient Gadir, Dux /saludos desde la anciana Gadir, dux

Faenaris
06-05-2005, 11:34
Sho .. wer? Is that Chinese? ~:confused:

Dux Corvanus
06-05-2005, 12:52
Greetings from ancient Gadir, Dux /saludos desde la anciana Gadir, dux

Hi, so do you also live here? ~:) He he, we are lucky guys. Many people like visiting archaeological sites, we actually live in one... ~;)

Ergion
06-06-2005, 21:10
Hi, so do you also live here? ~:) He he, we are lucky guys. Many people like visiting archaeological sites, we actually live in one... ~;)

I was born in Gadir, but I live in Kotinoussa. ~:)

Temple
06-07-2005, 08:59
People, the germanic tribes look awesome. Just awesome.

Oh, and it's always nice to see some hard-core nudity in a wargame! I say bring it on!

Copperhaired Berserker!
06-07-2005, 18:12
Brilliant. Absoulty Brillant. I bow to you,EB:bow:

Valuk
06-08-2005, 13:08
Nice germans... But no armor i guess its going to be a hard job playing as them since compared to the Aedui they have a large number of light to medium type of units.
Its really strange since i always thought of germans as being these chainarmoured shock troops and not as skirmishers

SaFe
06-08-2005, 13:14
just looking into this nice thread to let you know, that you've seen only 9 of 18 available units. ~;)
Speculation could begin...

eadingas
06-08-2005, 13:18
Yeah, I mean, we haven't even shown you the Super Elite Thor Stormtroopers of Doom, with heavy plate armor, composite longbows and 20 ft long pikes...
oops.
;)

Dux Corvanus
06-08-2005, 13:23
I was born in Gadir, but I live in Kotinoussa. ~:)

With housing prices rising this way in Gadir, soon I'll have to search an apartment in Kotinoussa, too. ~:rolleyes:

(For all those who do not know what Kotinoussa is, it's the ancient name of the León Island, where the town of San Fernando lies today -near Gadir. There was a big necropolis and a small settlement in ancient times there.)

SaFe
06-08-2005, 13:37
Yeah, I mean, we haven't even shown you the Super Elite Thor Stormtroopers of Doom, with heavy plate armor, composite longbows and 20 ft long pikes...
oops.
;)
As ever eadingas is totally wrong with the super-elite troops.
Thors Stormtroopers have no composite longbows - they have ballista that fires lighning bolts and also the warriors wearing super metal armour.

eadingas
06-08-2005, 13:57
You've changed it again? I thought lightning ballistae were discarded as they were only reported in Scroll of Khaan, which is a known XIIIth c. forgery?

SaFe
06-08-2005, 14:16
You've changed it again? I thought lightning ballistae were discarded as they were only reported in Scroll of Khaan, which is a known XIIIth c. forgery?


Well, had to change it again - i found something in google about it.
Also in the Liber Germanicum it is written in stone.

jerby
06-09-2005, 14:01
well, if you foudn it on google, then it must be true. EB, you got yourself a new unit!

Dux Corvanus
06-09-2005, 14:25
As ever eadingas is totally wrong with the super-elite troops.
Thors Stormtroopers have no composite longbows - they have ballista that fires lighning bolts and also the warriors wearing super metal armour.


Mmmmm, Robocôz... ~:cool:

GoreBag
06-09-2005, 19:46
Mmmmm, Robocôz... ~:cool:

Good call! Two points for Dux Corvanus.

Jebus
06-12-2005, 16:34
Weren't the Suebi those with the little 'knot' on the side of their head?
Woudn't it be kinda fun if you implemented it here too?

Now, I know using a hairstyle as an ethnic marker is a bit of is a stretch, yet they were known for it. Perhaps a unit or two with that knot?

Source:

Germania, by Tacitus

'Now I come to speak of the Suebi. They do not form one people like the Chatti or the Tencteri do. It is more the name of the inhabitants of over half of Germania, and one has to distinguish them into a series of independant tribes with a seperate name. Yet in their totality, they are often referred to as 'Suebi'.
A distinguised feature of the Suebi is that they comb their hair to the side and tie it into a knot. Because of that the Suebi distinguish themselves from other Germani, and the free men distinguish themselves from the slaves. One could find the same hairstyle with other peoples too, perhaps because they feel kindred to the Suebi or because they simply, as is so often they case, like the hairstyle. But except for the Suebi, this hairstyle is rather rare and is only seen with young people. The Suebi, on the other hand, comb their hair back even on a high age and make the knot often directly on top of the skull. The nobles arrange the hair even more artly.'

Crappy webcam pic of a skull fond in a swamp in Sleeswijk-Holstein:

http://img244.echo.cx/img244/6347/a...ng0109jp.th.jpg

Oh, and please stop spamming us with these darn updates

^^^
This isn't fair you know. I come up with a good point, I back it up with a good source, and I'm not even dignified with a response!

*cries*

jerby
06-12-2005, 17:18
I already read something about teh suebian Knot somewhere. maybe in the Aeduii previeuw or some weekly news.
I tought it will be featured, maybe it is in the pictures, dunno for sure

BTW, your probably teh only person in here who quotes himself ~;)

QwertyMIDX
06-12-2005, 17:18
I'll make sure one of the Germanic guys sees it Jebus, they must have missed it, sorry.

Jebus
06-12-2005, 17:31
BTW, your probably teh only person in here who quotes himself ~;)

Well, it's for everyones benefit, you know. At least by quoting myself I can make sure that there is some wisdom on these boards...

And thanks for the to-attention-bringing, QwertyMIDX

Dux Corvanus
06-12-2005, 18:44
At least by quoting myself I can make sure that there is some wisdom on these boards...


Wisdom there is in every board, just faith you don't have for it to see, young padawan. Autoquoting a sure way to the dark side is...

http://www.sith.nl/multimedia/characters/yoda/yoda-13.jpg

SaFe
06-12-2005, 21:31
^^^
This isn't fair you know. I come up with a good point, I back it up with a good source, and I'm not even dignified with a response!

*cries*


About the suebian knot:
It will be in the game:
As we represent the sweboz(suebii) it should be in, or?
Three of the currently under work units will have this hairstyle.

But germanics were proud of their hairstyles, so you can expect several individual ones:-)

Teutobod II
07-03-2005, 00:06
it says here in the description "Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending"

but in the pics they have long blades ?



by the way, the Germans (and northern barbarians) should be a head taller then the Romans and other southeners whos average height was about 150 cm then

Steppe Merc
07-03-2005, 00:21
It's a bit hard to show height difference, since all of the people of the unit have to be of the same height. And needless to say, while Germans may have been larger due to the larger amount of meat in their diet, not all were giants.
But the german guys and the unit guys can answer it better. ~;)

The Wizard
07-03-2005, 01:13
Besides that, Romans really weren't that small. Just overall smaller then the Celtic and Germanic peoples.



~Wiz

Tux
07-03-2005, 09:13
it says here in the description "Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending"

but in the pics they have long blades ?



by the way, the Germans (and northern barbarians) should be a head taller then the Romans and other southeners whos average height was about 150 cm then
I don't know about that description problem, Safe knows to respond to that.
Were working in increasing the unit heights but not extremely as some germans were, and not all german units will have the same heights so the youths units will be smaller than the older.

Teutobod II
07-03-2005, 18:33
the average height of the Germans back then according to skelleton finds was about 172 cm while the Romans only measured 150 cm

I am asking because I saw LOTR screenshots with dwarves and hobbits - and they were smaller then men...

SaFe
07-04-2005, 07:25
@Teutobod.
My records says 176 cm average for germanics, but i can confirm we are currently working on height differences.
For romans i think your numbers are a bit too low. Their soldiers were the strongest and i think we can assume that they were above the height of the average roman citizen. I think 160 cm sounds more realistic.

Teutobod II
07-12-2005, 22:34
here I go again...

there are no Germanic wonders mentioned ?

the suncircle of Goseck maybe which is supposed to be the oldest found so far (nearly 7000 years)
http://www.kreisgraben.info/print.php?sid=13

or the Externsteine
http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/germany/externsteine.html

Teleklos Archelaou
07-12-2005, 22:53
There are multiple germanic ones. Don't remember why we didn't include any there. Must have been either that they weren't ready or we didn't want to show them all or something. Don't worry though, they've got more than a couple. ~D

pezhetairoi
07-20-2005, 04:11
Could we PLEASE have a pronunciation guide for the Sweboz names and accents please? I can't mouth these without getting the distinct sour sensation that I'm mangling them...

caesar44
07-20-2005, 10:57
the average height of the Germans back then according to skelleton finds was about 172 cm while the Romans only measured 150 cm

I am asking because I saw LOTR screenshots with dwarves and hobbits - and they were smaller then men...


150 cm ??? seems a little...small... do you have some links ?

the_handsome_viking
08-02-2005, 16:02
This faction looks like it will be quite interesting to play and fight against, I think I speak for everyone when I say this, however im going to whine about clothing once again.

what sources did you use when you were picking the clothing style for the Hábukōz-Swáiut ??? they seem to look a little bit...native american.

SaFe
08-02-2005, 16:21
This faction looks like it will be quite interesting to play and fight against, I think I speak for everyone when I say this, however im going to whine about clothing once again.

what sources did you use when you were picking the clothing style for the Hábukōz-Swáiut ??? they seem to look a little bit...native american.


Well, the tribal name they called themselves was Hábukōz, which means "Hawks".
Also the romans described the chaucii warriors, using bird feathers or signs.

the_handsome_viking
08-02-2005, 19:56
thankyou.

just for something to read however, what roman text said this?

SaFe
08-02-2005, 20:51
thankyou.

just for something to read however, what roman text said this?

Will have to take a look at my papers. Will come back to this afap.