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Papewaio
07-07-2005, 05:20
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Is Mary the mother just the womb. While Jesus was placed there wholly of God.
The Son, The Ghost and The Spirit are one.
Wouldn't this make Jesus a clone of God?
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Azi Tohak
07-07-2005, 05:24
Ever played Xenogears?
Sorry, that was the first thing that popped into my head.
Anyway, back on topic, I'd say...no. While the three are one, they are also three. Each part of the trinity has its own role and is a separate manifestation of God.
At least that is my understanding. But man, you sure do see some fun stuff in our forums ~:)
Azi
Papewaio
07-07-2005, 05:34
I'm just trying to be fashionable with the latest trend of threads which are contrasting God and Technology/Science.
I wonder does this mix make me a Fundamentalist Nerd?
bmolsson
07-07-2005, 06:40
I wonder does this mix make me a Fundamentalist Nerd?
Not at all. Just normally nuts...... ~:grouphug:
Samurai Waki
07-07-2005, 07:37
I guess it goes by interpretation if Mary was the mother of Jesus, I know Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Lutherans all believe that Mary was the legitimate mother of Jesus, but Anglicans, Methodists, and every other protestant off shoot believes the opposite, she was just a womb (however morbid that sounds). I believe in a mythical sense Jesus was both man and god, much like Heracles, he was certainly mortal and throughout his life he had a difficult time coming to terms with his power (thats why in the Bible he goes from being age 10 to age 30 and it skips the middle years). I think a more correct term would be to associate Jesus and Holy Ghost, Jesus is a mortal Man, the Holy Ghost is Jesus and therefore god in spirit.
edyzmedieval
07-07-2005, 08:15
The Trinity....
It's not a whole thing, but 3 separate spiritualities....
King of Atlantis
07-07-2005, 08:47
I hate when people compare jesus to Heracles. Heracles was half man, half god. Where as Jesus is said to be fully human and fully god. This is a concept that is in no other religion.
Jesus isnt a clone of God, as he is God. People confuse god the father with God, when the father is just part of God.
There is the trinity, God the father, God the son, and the Holy spirit. All which are fully God. Therefore, Jesus isnt a clone of God, he is God, just as much as the Father is.
I know it is a complicated deal, but it is part of what makes christianity so intristing.
Samurai Waki
07-07-2005, 10:03
It makes it boring and irrelevent. who really cares... god the father, the son, and the spirit... all religions borrow things from other religions to make it sound more appealing.
Zalmoxis
07-07-2005, 10:06
I hate when people compare jesus to Heracles. Heracles was half man, half god. Where as Jesus is said to be fully human and fully god. This is a concept that is in no other religion.
Jesus isnt a clone of God, as he is God. People confuse god the father with God, when the father is just part of God.
There is the trinity, God the father, God the son, and the Holy spirit. All which are fully God. Therefore, Jesus isnt a clone of God, he is God, just as much as the Father is.
I know it is a complicated deal, but it is part of what makes christianity so intristing.
Erm, doesn't that make it a polytheistic religion?
King of Atlantis
07-07-2005, 10:10
Erm, doesn't that make it a polytheistic religion?
dont know what that means. You mean more than one God? They are all the differnt parts of the same God, like the three leaves of a three leaf clover. They are all part of the plant of God, but they are separte leaves.
Wazikashi, empty insults on religion dont prove/disprove anything.
Proletariat
07-07-2005, 12:15
I always was told God was the sum of three parts; the Father, the Holy Ghost and Jesus. Like an egg with a shell, yolk and the white.
I went to an Episcopal church and I'm now an atheist, fwiw.
Franconicus
07-07-2005, 12:28
I'm just trying to be fashionable with the latest trend of threads which are contrasting God and Technology/Science.
I wonder does this mix make me a Fundamentalist Nerd?
Papewaio,
be careful! The trinity is very dizzying. Most heretics were burned because they jumbled this ~:eek:
Trinity seems to be an old concept. There was also the main celtic good that appear in three different configurations. Same with the Christian god. Sometime you see him as god father, sometime as the son, sometimes as the holy ghost. But it is always the same god. (Well most of the time you do not see him/her at all ~:confused: )
The problem that I see is that no one really knows what a god is. Does anybody have a proper definition? One that even I will understand?
Proletariat
07-07-2005, 12:33
Didn't the Byzantines (among many others, I'm sure) wage some nasty revolts/civil wars about this?
ICantSpellDawg
07-07-2005, 12:35
from the way i always understood the concept - God is like the contents of a large wine barrel
when you take a mug and fill it with the wine - the shell is different, but it is no less the wine
different forms of cups do not change the contents (not taking into consideration sediments from cups and what not) and they do not make the contents any less of the original make-up
either way - it is illogical and i dont buy it - but that is the explanation i have adopted
Franconicus
07-07-2005, 12:40
TuffStuff,
it is like this: You have a good wine. It has a certain colour, smell and taste. So it is one single wine but you recognize it in three different ways.
One only has to get into the history of the church to realize that the Trinitarian doctrine is utterly based on confusion and a mad man’s ideas.
There shouldn’t be such a doctrine and the church did in fact fluctuate between Trinitarianism and Arianism.
It was Athanasius who got it all confused with the Jesus is God/Jesus has always been a God logical conundrum.
Even Augustine had serious problems understanding this doctrine as he replied with: I don’t know, to some of the letters that asked about this doctrine.
I'm just trying to be fashionable with the latest trend of threads which are contrasting God and Technology/Science.
I wonder does this mix make me a Fundamentalist Nerd?
Pape, you?! Never!
no Jesus is not a clone of God
Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all 3 distinct personalities of God
they are all God. yet distinct personalities of God
each of them is every bit as much "God" as all the others, even though they are not exactly the same
i know it's complicated, and unfortunately i am not the best at explaining this concept but hopefully that answers the question to some degree
Hurin_Rules
07-07-2005, 17:21
Would that make them all stem cells?
the tokai
07-07-2005, 17:53
Maybe God is schizophrenic ~:eek:
Zalmoxis
07-07-2005, 21:39
no Jesus is not a clone of God
Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all 3 distinct personalities of God
they are all God. yet distinct personalities of God
each of them is every bit as much "God" as all the others, even though they are not exactly the same
i know it's complicated, and unfortunately i am not the best at explaining this concept but hopefully that answers the question to some degree
God has multiple personalities...
bmolsson
07-08-2005, 07:17
Maybe Jesus just is a dude that was at the wrong place at the wrong time ????
King of Atlantis
07-08-2005, 07:20
Maybe Jesus just is a dude that was at the wrong place at the wrong time ????
maybe, but i disagree.
Ironside
07-08-2005, 07:41
Didn't the Byzantines (among many others, I'm sure) wage some nasty revolts/civil wars about this?
You mean like the wiping out of the Arians (followers of Arius teachings) who belived:
that the Logos (Jesus) and the Father were not of the same essence;
that the Son was a created being; and
that though He was the creator of the worlds, and must therefore have existed before them and before all time, there was a "time" [although Arius refused to use words meaning time, such as cronos or aion] when He did not exist.
From wiki
Or the struggle with the monophysists in Egypt, that belived that Jesus was only divine, not human+divine. Seen speculations that the reason behind this was that Maria=Isis (the Gud-birther). And all those wierd concepts about Jesus' nature created when attempting to create something that all sides accepted.
So yes, the Byz had some (quite big) problems about this.
Hurin_Rules
07-08-2005, 15:41
It has often been asserted by historians that one of the reasons for the rapidity of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century was that the Byzantines had alienated much of their own population due to religious controversies and religious repression. The monophysites in Egypt, for example, did better under the more tolerant Muslims, or so the argument goes.
Byzantine Prince
07-08-2005, 15:51
According to those yokel priests that I grew up around, God is somehow made up of three parts. This makes no sense considering Jesus refering to god as his father in the Bible. If he's God too how come he calls his father God as well? ~:confused:
This would seem like it's a huge deal but considering how many contradictions exist within the Christian doctrine it's not a big ripple in the water. There's other things I could kill my neighbor for believing if you know what I mean? ~D
The fact of the matter St.Augustine and St.Paul(the people most responsible for making Christianity what it is) weren't exactly intelligent individuals as far as I can see, they both contradicted eachother and made stuff up for their own convenience with no real aim.
...thats why in the Bible he goes from being age 10 to age 30 and it skips the middle years...That's always being a mystery to me. Why were the middle years skipped and for many our formative years.
Marcellus
07-11-2005, 00:41
Why were the middle years skipped and for many our formative years.
I think that it was because not much happened to him in this period, until his baptism and the start of him preaching.
I might be wrong, though...
Steppe Merc
07-11-2005, 00:59
There were a few books about Jesus when he was younger that weren't included in the final Bible I believe.
Some Christians make the argument that God is All, and therefore everything is an extension of the Godhead. If you accept that position, there's no conflict between Jesus being human and being God.
Where that line of reasoning runs into trouble, of course, is when you ask "So why are there so many bad things/people?" Next thing you know you've got the Book of Job out, and it's game over.
God has multiple personalities...
yes. this is true.
this is why God said "let us make man in our image". "our" meaning 3 parts of the Godhead.
bmolsson
07-11-2005, 05:54
yes. this is true.
this is why God said "let us make man in our image". "our" meaning 3 parts of the Godhead.
Maybe it was him and all the pool comrades...... ~:cheers:
Some Christians make the argument that God is All, and therefore everything is an extension of the Godhead. If you accept that position, there's no conflict between Jesus being human and being God.
This is a pantheistic position and hence monistic.
Where that line of reasoning runs into trouble, of course, is when you ask "So why are there so many bad things/people?" Next thing you know you've got the Book of Job out, and it's game over.
Game over for whom; the pantheists?
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