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Papewaio
08-24-2005, 00:49
Iranian Fundamentalists who have been associated with the current mayor of Tehran have come out stating that Bush is such a terrific danger to the people of Iraq that he should be assassinated.
They went on to state to their followers that the USA is going to use Iraq as a launching pad for Christianity and capitalism that will strike at the heart of Islam. That all this could stop quickly and easily with the assassination of the leader of the USA.
Other alternatives were suggested by slightly more moderate members of kidnapping the President or financing opposition political groups within the USA or countries that are aligned with the US.
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 00:52
If they do that its time to show who is the real boss.......tatical NUKE time, Make them beg for mercy by the time the dust clears.
Grey_Fox
08-24-2005, 00:54
Meh. No different to this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=52911&page=1).
Steppe Merc
08-24-2005, 01:03
Caesar, nukes are never an option. Can we at least have something original? Like supporting a rebel Iranian president, or overthrowing the government from within or something? ~;)
They went on to state to their followers that the USA is going to use Iraq as a launching pad for Christianity and capitalism that will strike at the heart of Islam.
Bush is no Christian and certainly won't be bringing Christianity to anywhere (even the USA as a country is not at all Christian)
however, they are right on the other 2 counts.
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 01:11
Caesar, nukes are never an option. Can we at least have something original? Like supporting a rebel Iranian president, or overthrowing the government from within or something? ~;)
Yes they are, And I think they should have been used after 911.
Besides stepp you are a hippie.....I thought you guys could not support any violence?
Steppe Merc
08-24-2005, 01:16
I was being sarcastic.
I think that it is insane to use nukes, since it would probably end up ending the world, since everyone would use it against each other. Isreal would probably end up firing their's then, Russia would, then Pakistan, then India then North Korea...
And a few wars may have been neccassary, such as WW2. But as a whole, I am not for violence in any form, though self defense or in defense of loved ones is justified.
edit: And I am not a true hippie, though I hold them in great esteem. For example, I don't live in a commune, and I take showers every day. ~;)
Grey_Fox
08-24-2005, 01:19
Meh. So it's ok if influential Amercians say that foreign heads of state should be assassinated, but if foreigners say that Bush should be assassinated you want to nuke them?
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 01:21
Roberts is not going to take action on that....these guys might
Steppe Merc
08-24-2005, 01:22
Of course it's totally different! Americans are magical and always right, while all not Americans are all evil!
Besides, he's just an old crazy Christian, and he most Christians aren't like him. But all Muslims are evil, just like these guys.
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 01:23
Oh Ok, is this serious? I thought it was a statement Pape was making about the calls for Chavez's assassination...?
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 01:32
Steppe you really are starting to get me mad with your comments on the USA. You seem to show no respect for the country and think its "just" lines on a map.
I can't stand the people who live in country get all the benefits of living in that country but then show no pride in it. :embarassed:
Steppe Merc
08-24-2005, 01:34
Where did I disrespect it? Sure I was sarcastic, but when did I say I disliked it?
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 01:37
America wont be destroyed thats what the wall is for...no one will act on robetsons saying. you wont see a good ol boy with a 22 down in venzulea aiming for the prez. these guys will take it seriously nad will most probaly try some attempt at it
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 01:38
Steppe you really are starting to get me mad with your comments on the USA. You seem to show no respect for the country and think its "just" lines on a map.
Of course, I forgot, America is flawless and infinitely superior to all other nations in all aspects. Get over yourself! There is nothing devine or bloody tear-wrenching about your country, you would feel the same about any other you just happened to be born in. Get some perspective!
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 01:40
Of course, I forgot, America is flawless and infinitely superior to all other nations in all aspects. Get over yourself! There is nothing devine or bloody tear-wrenching about your country, you would feel the same about any other you just happened to be born in. Get some perspective!
We are not deivine were just not as stupid as some of the zealots in Iran
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 01:41
Really?
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 01:44
Yes ~:)
Now this broke down to insults and demonization really quick.
@Ceasar - Steppe is entitled to view his country any old way that he choses to view it. He can express his opinion any old way that he choses to express it - with some limitations toward not causing a riot or advocating violence on another.
He has just as much a right to praise or question the actions of the nation as a whole. You might want to read the Constitution a little bit.
Now if he was to go to Iran and speak to the Iran's and say go to this thing - then his actions warrant condemnation - but until he does something like that or as equally stupid - he is entitled to speak his mind.
Something that the Constitution allows him to do. To deny him his right to speak his mind - well makes us like Iran more then I care to think.
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 01:53
Of course, I forgot, America is flawless and infinitely superior to all other nations in all aspects. Get over yourself! There is nothing devine or bloody tear-wrenching about your country, you would feel the same about any other you just happened to be born in. Get some perspective!
I do feel the US is the best place in the world to live in...look at the UK its like a nanny state.
They wont let you own guns in your own house.
The police can issue things that won't let you do lawful activities (I forget what they are called though) These things won't lets some people go near bridges. :dizzy2:
I hear air rifles and hunting knives are soon to be registered ~:eek:
And pointy kitchen knives were almost banned.
Shows how much the government officials in the UK trust their own people :help:
.............
red leg
I never said he should not be able to think that way. I just said I dont like that he does. The constitution also guarantees me the right to not like his opinion and allows him to not like mine.
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 01:55
I do feel the US is the best place in the world to live in...look at the UK its like a nanny state.
They wont let you own guns in your own house.
The police can issue things that won't let you do lawful activities (I forget what they are called though) These things won't lets some people go near bridges. :dizzy2:
I hear air rifles and hunting knives are soon to be registered ~:eek:
And pointy kitchen knives were almost banned.
Shows how much the government officials in the UK trust their own people :help:
And back to topic we go and go and go
scooter_the_shooter
08-24-2005, 01:59
Ok south I will get back on topic.
Well what should the response be if they do try and attack bush?
As a whole America is good. The country it self is a very good country. But the goverment is just full of shit. If our goverment was better then our country would be the envy of all. All Americans should learn to respect other countries and their way of life instead of trying to be the big guy on the block and think you are the best. BTW I live in America.
Gawain of Orkeny
08-24-2005, 02:40
But the goverment is just full of shit.
This goes for them all not just ours. ~;)
Hurin_Rules
08-24-2005, 02:41
I think Papewaio is making a rhetorical point.
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 03:11
Seems someone finally picked up on that as well. See my first post. ~;)
@ceasar010, why are you telling me about how things are in Great Britain? Whats that got to do with anything? Plus, maybe the Britons hold other things than being allowed own lethal weapons in high regard. Since when do we judge how great a place is by how many nasty things you can legally own that you could kill your neighbours with?
_Martyr_ I'll tell you this right now don't try and understand why yanks like their firearms so much. You'll either go insane or turn into a Texan, and since Texans are the lowest form of white man in existance neither out comes are desireable. ~;)
On topic who gives a sh*t what some ignorant Iranian says really. Does he even know realistically how challenging it would be to assassinate Bush these days? I've given this some thought and for a brown muslim to even gete near enough to Bush would be nigh on impossible.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 03:30
If Pappy was not being entirely "tongue in cheek," it would be fair to note that Iranian concerns about US involvement in Iraq (as he describes them) are dead-on accurate.
A successful democratic republic building its standard of living through effective capitalism and the rule of a non-theocratically dominated system of laws is the LAST thing the current Iranian rulers should desire.
Their covert support of anti-US/anti-Republican forces in Iraq is eminently logical from their perspective. If the Iraqis and we become more successful, it would almost make sense for them to intervene to "protect their Shiite brothers" and knock the whole apple cart over (even though we'd kick 'em, I believe this would gut the nation-building process for a considerable time).
I want the USA and Iraq to win, and to thereby change the Middle East, but I have no illusions as to others holding a divergent objective.
Caeser#10 -- Can we take your sterling support for individual gun ownership as a given from here on? I am willing to bet that most of the others frequenting this forum are more than aware of your stance.
Steppe': You and I disagree on a myriad of issues, though I defend your right to express yourself. I would note, however, that there are some few contexts where the use of nuclear weapons becomes "thinkable." I therefore long for the time when all parties agree to dismantle these tools. We have plenty of other mass destructive choices -- without half-lives -- available to us. I doubt I will see such an end in my lifetime, though since you have 20+ years advantage here, perhaps you will.
Seamus
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 03:31
_Martyr_ I'll tell you this right now don't try and understand why yanks like their firearms so much. You'll either go insane or turn into a Texan, and since Texans are the lowest form of white man in existance neither out comes are desireable.
Believe me, Ive been around here long enough to know! :dizzy2: [Edit... That certain Americans have a firearm fetish, not anything bad about Texans]
As for the original post, its most likely not true. Pape was just making a rhetorical statement... to do with the calls for the assissination of Hugo Chavez.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 03:33
...and since Texans are the lowest form of white man in existance neither out comes are desireable. ~;)
Was this a racist gibe -- aside from taking a shot at the Lone Star state?
Seamus
_Martyr_
08-24-2005, 03:36
Not to mention sexist!!! Texans are the lowest class of man, and woman!
~D
RabidGibbon
08-24-2005, 03:56
Originally posted by ceasar010
I do feel the US is the best place in the world to live in...look at the UK its like a nanny state.
They wont let you own guns in your own house.
The police can issue things that won't let you do lawful activities (I forget what they are called though) These things won't lets some people go near bridges.
I hear air rifles and hunting knives are soon to be registered
And pointy kitchen knives were almost banned.
Shows how much the government officials in the UK trust their own people
I just want to address these misconceptions about life in the Uk. I live in the city that the 3 of the 4 london suicude bombers where born in, I have 2 shotguns in a securely locked cabinet in my bedroom. If I heard someone downstairs I'd go for the broadsword hanging on the wall nearby and any burgaler who was breaking in would have to be pretty rich to afford a gun.
The last price I ever heard for a handgun (and a handgun is nearly always illegal in the Uk) was £1200 (about 2000 US dollars), which is a month and a halfs wages. Plus you had to know the guy personnally or he'd beat you up for asking.
Ummm, upon looking at this post I realise its a drunken ramble, but when I woke up one day and realised I had a big medical problem I went straight to hospital and got it sorted. I would take free medical care over the right to own a gun any day of the week.
AntiochusIII
08-24-2005, 04:12
Not to mention sexist!!! Texans are the lowest class of man, and woman!Normally I would've agreed for an anti-redneck statement but Texas has a lot of good things in it. (Though only one I care about ;p ) One of them is that Texans are generally more enlightened than most of the US in the Ways of the anime. Their enlightenment and will to support the industry means that anime is now available in comparable quality and quantity in the United States, far better than European appreciation of this godliness of an art. ~D
Therefore they have my one gratitude. ~:cheers:
Was this a racist gibe -- aside from taking a shot at the Lone Star state?
Seamus
Just a shot at the lone star state. There are 2 types of yankees that piss me off (the rest just annoy me) Californians and Texans.
Normally I would've agreed for an anti-redneck statement but Texas has a lot of good things in it. (Though only one I care about ;p ) One of them is that Texans are generally more enlightened than most of the US in the Ways of the anime. Their enlightenment and will to support the industry means that anime is now available in comparable quality and quantity in the United States, far better than European appreciation of this godliness of an art.
That makes no difference to me I'm Canadian. Any Anime worth watching I can buy or order in from a comic book store.
Just a shot at the lone star state. There are 2 types of yankees that piss me off (the rest just annoy me) Californians and Texans.
Good thing I am not a Texan or I would have to make sure I pissed you off on a regular basis. ~:eek: ~D
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 04:39
nobody likes me :embarassed: thats fine Im happy with my state and if your not we will still be kind to you because we know you're just a misguided yankee and we believe in hospitality ~:cheers:
nobody likes me :embarassed: thats fine Im happy with my state and if your not we will still be kind to you because we know you're just a misguided yankee and we believe in hospitality ~:cheers:
Don't feel so bad Strike - I used to live down near you before I went to College - a little town where the Texas Revolution was said to start.
Come and Get It.
Strike For The South
08-24-2005, 04:49
Don't feel so bad Strike - I used to live down near you before I went to College - a little town where the Texas Revolution was said to start.
Come and Get It.
Ah yes good ol gonzales although I beilve the phrase was come and take it ethier way its great to see a fellow Texan on these boards and a senior member to boot ~:cheers:
nobody likes me :embarassed: thats fine Im happy with my state and if your not we will still be kind to you because we know you're just a misguided yankee and we believe in hospitality ~:cheers:
I'm not a yankee.
I'm not a yankee.
Anyone who lives north of the Mason-Dixon line is a Yankee regardless of where they live in the Contential United States - or North America for that matter.
You should of heard the phonecall my wife had with an Arkansas Realtor when we were moving out of the state of Washington to Arkansas. I will give you a clue - the State of Washington was not in the Union during the Civil War.
PanzerJaeger
08-24-2005, 06:46
Isnt it obvious what this thread is? :no:
Pape is trying to illicit some sort of outrage against Iran and then pop in and say "gotcha, you didnt feel the same way about what Pat Robertson said!".
Problem is that every american there besides maybe me did have a problem with what he said about chavez..
The sad thing is that Pap seems to have gotten the intended response and this thread has turned into a "make fun of the americans" thread.. tricky, tricky. ~;)
Papewaio
08-24-2005, 07:28
Correct about what I did PJ, incorrect about my motivations.
I say always reverse the situation and see if you like the outcome.
Do unto others as you would have them do to you. :bow:
By the responses some would advocate the nuking of the USA as justice for the assassination of Chavez.
It is a lot easier to see that this is an extremist response because of our circle of concern.
It is just as an extremist response to nuke another country based on the actions of a few.
PanzerJaeger
08-24-2005, 08:00
Correct about what I did PJ, incorrect about my motivations.
Just to clarify, I wasnt saying your motivation was to make a thread to bash Americans. I was saying that the American response made it easy for the usual bashers to slip in some quick ones.
If America is to use assassination as a viable tool against hostile governments, we had better put a lot of faith in the Secret Service to do their jobs well because no one will cry over spilled president blood.. ~;)
Kaiser of Arabia
08-24-2005, 08:03
I have an Idea.
Ok, here is what we do. We send in some SpecOps in and light all of Irans oil fields on Fire, and then blame Syria.
Kill two birds with one stone!
PanzerJaeger
08-24-2005, 08:15
Erm.. last time we sent specops to Iran it didnt work out so well.. :no:
However, it was under the Carter administration, and nothing worked well then.. ~;)
I think it is good idea, because invading USA to remove Bush would be costly for Iran, and they would be losing lives of many young martyrs ~;)
English assassin
08-24-2005, 10:14
Can we at least have something original? Like supporting a rebel Iranian president, or overthrowing the government from within or something?
Just a historical note, that wouldn't be original. Operation Ajax, 1953, http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1022065,00.html.
As its not entirely fanciful to see this little adventure as laying the groundwork for the 1979 revolution that delivered the whole country into the hands of the Islamists, I'd say its not an idea that we should rush to repeat.
Ianofsmeg16
08-24-2005, 10:34
I do feel the US is the best place in the world to live in...look at the UK its like a nanny state.
They wont let you own guns in your own house.
The police can issue things that won't let you do lawful activities (I forget what they are called though) These things won't lets some people go near bridges. :dizzy2:
I hear air rifles and hunting knives are soon to be registered ~:eek:
And pointy kitchen knives were almost banned.
Shows how much the government officials in the UK trust their own people :help:
.............
red leg
I never said he should not be able to think that way. I just said I dont like that he does. The constitution also guarantees me the right to not like his opinion and allows him to not like mine.
I like America, i go there on holiday every year, but i still say the UK is greater, I'd love the chance to freely own any gun i wanted (it's my opinion that we should have our own version or the 2nd(??) Ammendment)
but the problem is that when (not if) i got shot with one of those legally bought guns iwould have to pay alot of money for my hospital bills
say what you will about us being a nanny state, but if your bankrupt after numerous shots to the stomach i'd be laughing (not really, just a saying), and if you disrespect our little kingdom, the SAS will come over and kick your***
Erm.. last time we sent specops to Iran it didnt work out so well.. :no:
However, it was under the Carter administration, and nothing worked well then.. ~;)
Were those the same people that the republican party gave money to the Iranians to keep as hostages?
Sjakihata
08-24-2005, 12:35
Iranian Fundamentalists who have been associated with the current mayor of Tehran have come out stating that Bush is such a terrific danger to the people of Iraq that he should be assassinated.
They went on to state to their followers that the USA is going to use Iraq as a launching pad for Christianity and capitalism that will strike at the heart of Islam. That all this could stop quickly and easily with the assassination of the leader of the USA.
Other alternatives were suggested by slightly more moderate members of kidnapping the President or financing opposition political groups within the USA or countries that are aligned with the US.
link?
Steppe you really are starting to get me mad with your comments on the USA. You seem to show no respect for the country and think its "just" lines on a map.
I can't stand the people who live in country get all the benefits of living in that country but then show no pride in it. :embarassed:
There is a vast difference between patriotism and nationalism, and way out on the fringe beyond nationalism is jingoism. One can be patriotic and still criticize their own country. Nationalism, on the other hand, allows for no dissent and criticism, and leads to nasty things like world wars and imperialism. Jingoism goes even further and brings religion and rabid nationalism together.
Steppe Merc
08-24-2005, 16:08
Steppe': You and I disagree on a myriad of issues, though I defend your right to express yourself. I would note, however, that there are some few contexts where the use of nuclear weapons becomes "thinkable." I therefore long for the time when all parties agree to dismantle these tools. We have plenty of other mass destructive choices -- without half-lives -- available to us. I doubt I will see such an end in my lifetime, though since you have 20+ years advantage here, perhaps you will.
We can only hope. :bow:
Just a historical note, that wouldn't be original. Operation Ajax, 1953, http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/stor...1022065,00.html.
As its not entirely fanciful to see this little adventure as laying the groundwork for the 1979 revolution that delivered the whole country into the hands of the Islamists, I'd say its not an idea that we should rush to repeat.
I know it already happened. I meant an original response as opposed to "NUKES!".
And I agree, we should certaintly not try such a foolish thing again.
Goofball
08-24-2005, 17:23
Yes they are, And I think they should have been used after 911.
Erm... Who exactly do you think should have been nuked after 9/11?
There is a vast difference between patriotism and nationalism, and way out on the fringe beyond nationalism is jingoism. One can be patriotic and still criticize their own country. Nationalism, on the other hand, allows for no dissent and criticism, and leads to nasty things like world wars and imperialism. Jingoism goes even further and brings religion and rabid nationalism together.
This is not necessarily correct - can religion increase the effect of jingoism when it is included in the rhetoric - sure it does. However nations have used Jingoism before to support causes without using Religion in the rhetoric.
But lets not try to fool others about what Jingoism is defined as.
Jingoism is a term describing chauvinistic patriotism, especially with regard to a hawkish political stance. by Wikipedia. By Websters it is defined as extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy.
By Cambridge Dictionaries Online Jingoism is defined as the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country:
Throwing religion into the defination is hyperbole and I suspect disingenuous on your part Aenlic.
Its fun to throw terms around - but try to use them a little more correctly.
For those who want to learn what the term actually means verus Aenlic's incorrect use of the term by linking it to religion - try the wikipedia site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism
A decent thesis which explains how Jingoism is used without religion in the dogma of the government policy.
http://www.isanet.org/portlandarchive/holloway.pdf
A sample of the text as the author explains how Jingoism is used to polarize the nation on the War against Drugs.
In this noble tradition, the government of the United States has often sought to appeal to the disparate imaginations of its citizens by framing both domestic and transnational problems in terms of the life and death struggle of pitched battle.
Iranian Fundamentalists who have been associated with the current mayor of Tehran have come out stating that Bush is such a terrific danger to the people of Iraq that he should be assassinated.
They went on to state to their followers that the USA is going to use Iraq as a launching pad for Christianity and capitalism that will strike at the heart of Islam. That all this could stop quickly and easily with the assassination of the leader of the USA.
Other alternatives were suggested by slightly more moderate members of kidnapping the President or financing opposition political groups within the USA or countries that are aligned with the US. I like how the article says “fundamentalists associated with”, I assume, Ahmadinejad.
There are many fundamentalists in Iran, some of whom advocates far worse measures against America than this. Is there a link to this story?
English assassin
08-24-2005, 18:04
I belive Papewaio was reversing the Robertson story rather than refering to anything that actually happened.
I belive Papewaio was reversing the Robertson story rather than refering to anything that actually happened.
Or how about this as an explaination for what he was doing.
It is a paradox (or maybe a dialectical journey, or both? I haven't worked that one out yet) of the time we live in that, with increasing levels of sophistication we have increasing superficiality and dehumanization. Philosophy, language, art and literature are now more about themselves than about reality than ever before. This means that a numbness about the world we inhabit is all pervasive. Decadence is the result. As self- referentiality is what we are sold, this is seen as an end in itself.
http://www.gentheoryrubbish.com/archives/000165.html
Apparently Redleg didn't read his own links and missed the origin of the word jingoism, as coming from a song with the line "by Jingo" which is a euphemism for "by Jesus". I'm reasonably certain that Jesus has religious connotations. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm sure in Redleg's personal vendetta, that's the case. I suspect that he just recently looked the word up, not knowing what it means and the result was the rather nonsensical diatribe above. But, that isn't really surprising considering that he's still misusing the term disingenuous despite having the term defined for him multiple times. I wonder if he thinks hyperbole is a really, really big tree trunk as well?
Gawain of Orkeny
08-24-2005, 19:11
I wonder if he thinks hyperbole is a really, really big tree trunk as well?
No its what they eat chili out of in Texas ~;)
But Gawain, I also live in Texas, though a little south of dear old Redleg, in a much more congenial place for free-thinkers, Austin.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 19:27
Pappy:
Nice thread. Classic use of the "reverse of the medal." I suspect this thread has run its course, however.
I too have lived in Austin, a wonderful town -- still haven't found a place to equal Amy's on the Drag -- but the thread is circling now.
Seamus
Gawain of Orkeny
08-24-2005, 19:29
Nice thread. Classic use of the "reverse of the medal." I suspect this thread has run its course, however.
I thought it was a pretty sad attempt. Comparing what some nut says and is clearly not US policy to that of an Iranian leader who should be taken seriously. Its desigenous at best.
Once again, and before the thread closes for good - disingenuous means intentionally naïve, not naïve or incorrect or misinformed or any of the other misuses to which the word has recently been subjected. If you're not misusing the word, then you've just personally insulted Ser Clegane by saying that he is being "intentionally naive at best" in fewer words. ~D
Apparently Redleg didn't read his own links and missed the origin of the word jingoism, as coming from a song with the line "by Jingo" which is a euphemism for "by Jesus". I'm reasonably certain that Jesus has religious connotations. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm sure in Redleg's personal vendetta, that's the case. I suspect that he just recently looked the word up, not knowing what it means and the result was the rather nonsensical diatribe above. But, that isn't really surprising considering that he's still misusing the term disingenuous despite having the term defined for him multiple times. I wonder if he thinks hyperbole is a really, really big tree trunk as well?
Again you would be wrong - studied history, political science, orginins of several conflicts - to include the one where the term was first used. And how it was used along with Yellow Journalism for the Spanish American War. Notice the quote in Wikepidi of the wonderful statement by Teddy, here I will cut and paste it to save you time in linking back to it.
One of those frequently accused of Jingoism was Theodore Roosevelt, who answered in a October 8, 1895 interview in the New York Times, "There is much talk about "jingoism." If by "jingoism" they mean a policy in pursuance of which Americans will with resolution and common sense insist upon our rights being respected by foreign powers, then we are "jingoes.""
However its becoming obvious that you do pull certain words out of the air and pretend to know what they mean.
But thanks for proving a point by the way. False pretense are just that. By Jesus is an express meaning that you swear its the truth, kind of like "on my mother's grave"- not a religious connotation that you attempted to link it to.
Come on now like if your going to use the word - and preach to others about using words correctly - then use the expression correctly yourself.
Your playing word games without knowing what the word actually means. And would I suspect you know the history of Jingoism - and know that it did not come from a religious commotation - but from an expression of that means "I swear." But that is okay because I am playing word games right back - no problem - but it seems I am not the only one capable of rather nonsensical diatribe which you have demonstrated with this post and one just above about the meaning of disingenuous.
Hyperbole after hyperbole which is what attempting to link Religion to Jingoism is and then accusing others of not having ever heard or seen the word before. Continue on with the discussion and your self deception about how much I know and don't know.
Once again, and before the thread closes for good - disingenuous means intentionally naïve, not naïve or incorrect or misinformed or any of the other misuses to which the word has recently been subjected. If you're not misusing the word, then you've just personally insulted Ser Clegane by saying that he is being "intentionally naive at best" in fewer words. ~D
Lets see in another thread you claimed that disingenuous means
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=894777#post894777
Oh, and the word you are all misusing is "disingenuous" which actually means insincere, not naive.
And now you have discovered why I use links to point out what the word means - and not pull the definition out of my rear end.
Have a nice day.... ~D :duel:
Ser Clegane
08-24-2005, 20:37
I thought it was a pretty sad attempt. Comparing what some nut says and is clearly not US policy to that of an Iranian leader who should be taken seriously. Its desigenous at best.
Actually Pape's example wasn't about official Iran policy either but referring to
Iranian Fundamentalists who have been associated with the current mayor of Tehran
So the comparison seems to be very valid - and the knee-jerk reactions by some patrons were quite revealing.
@Aenlic & Redleg:
If you have some personal vendetta, please take care of it via PM or (as you both live in Texas) over a beer.
Scouring posts that do not further the topic of the thread for more or less veiled petty remarks/insults is not something I plan to do over the next days/weeks :stare:
@Aenlic & Redleg:
If you have some personal vendetta, please take care of it via PM or (as you both live in Texas) over a beer.
Scouring posts that do not further the topic of the thread for more or less veiled petty remarks/insults is not something I plan to do over the next days/weeks :stare:
Not a vendetta at all - I initially was just countering the hyperbole of linking Religion to Jingoism - which is false. Maybe I should tone down the language slightly on the next post - but the point is valid.
Jingoism is not based upon religion and nationalism. Jingoism is based upon run away nationalism or as it is defined by all sources - the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country:
The postion was a counter to his allegation that the two are linked. Blaming religion seems to be the "cool" thing to do, but to blame religion for the reasons behind a term - where the blame is not factual - well it deserves and begs to be corrected.
Did I get petty after his second remarks - sure I did - but like I have always said - two can play the game that Aenlic pulled in his response. If he would of kepted it civil - I would not have responded in such a way, however I will always respond to posters in the way that they chose to particapate in the discussion with. Confrontation with confrontation, politiness with politeness. etc etc....
I'd rather Redleg just ignored me; but since he can't I'm going to respond when he directly criticizes my posts and insults me. I have been ignoring his blatant responses to my posts; but he has continued. So I'm going to respond. You'll notice that a thread will go on for sometime and then Redleg jumps in and takes exception to me in a very personal way, usually with erroneous misreadings and attempting to claim that I don't use words properly. This is all probably a result of my correcting him on the use of the word disingenuous last week after he tried to redefine my use of the phrase chicken hawk to suit his rhetoric. It's become a personal vendetta for him, which I've tried to ignore for the last few days. Take note of the threads in which he's done it. This isn't the only one. But it's become apparent that he refuses to stop, so I'll respond when he directs posts at me in such a manner. He can't argue the merits of my posts and so tries to argue about words instead.
I'm perfectly willing to ignore him. He can't seem to do the same. I refuse to be a punching bag for his personal vendetta.
Ser Clegane
08-24-2005, 21:14
Good - now that we all know your positions - let the healing begin...
And let this and other threads stay on topic.
Thanks :bow:
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 21:18
Have the two Texans meet in Pflugerville and settle this....swords or pistols at their choice. ~;)
Seamus
serves no purpose - deleted
Other then to say I will never ignore attacks on religion just to attack religion or other such demonization rhetroic because it suits someone's political idealog views. I will counter that type of comments in the same exact tone in which it was delivered.
Have the two Texans meet in Pflugerville and settle this....swords or pistols at their choice. ~;)
Seamus
Pflugerville sucks - we can meet in Wacky Waco.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 21:35
Pflugerville sucks - we can meet in Wacky Waco.
I know that Waco is more of a true mid-point, but Puh-Floo-ger-ville is just such a fun name to abuse!
Seamus
Since we're completely off topic by now, anyway. Puh flugerville is one of the funniest songs by the Austin Lounge Lizards.
I know that Waco is more of a true mid-point, but Puh-Floo-ger-ville is just such a fun name to abuse!
Seamus
There are even funnier one's too. I like abusing Waco however - because a lot of the time when that town makes the news its for something completely wacky - or in the case of extremists - Branch Davidians anyone - completely out there.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 22:02
Since we're completely off topic by now, anyway. Puh flugerville is one of the funniest songs by the Austin Lounge Lizards.
Love that tune -- though I haven't heard it in more than a decade. Heck, I haven't even visited since the Spring of '97. Do you walk around "ducking" now that the Tower isn't off limits?
Seamus
Seamus Fermanagh
08-24-2005, 22:08
There are even funnier one's too. I like abusing Waco however - because a lot of the time when that town makes the news its for something completely wacky - or in the case of extremists - Branch Davidians anyone - completely out there.
Don't forget the famous Texas Rangers Museum! ~:)
Actually, I love the way Texans abuse pronunciation.
San Jacinto = San Jack
Koenig = Kay-nig
Amarillo = Aah-muh-Rill-oh
Abilene = Aah-buh-lean
It's just....fun.
P.S. Pop quiz: Name the actor and movie for the following line:
"Go ahead and lash me, you swine, you'll not loosen my tongue!"
Don't forget Manchaca pronounced as Man-chak and Guadalupe pronounced as Guad-a-loop.
bmolsson
08-25-2005, 03:07
If America is to use assassination as a viable tool against hostile governments, we had better put a lot of faith in the Secret Service to do their jobs well because no one will cry over spilled president blood.. ~;)
America should never use assassination as a viable tool. I expect more from the worlds largest democratic republic.
yesdachi
08-25-2005, 03:20
America should never use assassination as a viable tool. I expect more from the worlds largest democratic republic.
Would an Iraq style invasion be better? ~;)
bmolsson
08-25-2005, 11:26
Would an Iraq style invasion be better? ~;)
Actually yes.....
The best thing about this thread is it reminded me of my favorite T. Roosevelt quote - notice the new sig quote.
Steppe Merc
08-25-2005, 21:56
Yay! I'm just doing my Patriotic duty now! ~;)
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