How often have you been victim of crime

[Franconicus]

I mean violence, thefts, rubbery, murder ~:) or anything like that. Please explain what and in which country.

P.S.: I am still trying to understand why Americans think they must have guns and Europeans just don't care.

[Ser Clegane]

The only case I recall is that my wife has been pickpocketed (can that actually be used as a verb?) at the Cologne train station when we traveled to Utrecht.

Even among relatives and friends a hardly remember any cases of falling victim to crimes (my older brother almost got beaten up by some gang when he lived in Berlin, but he managed to run away).

[Ronin]

never been a victim of a crime personally.....and I live in the capital of my country and not in some backwards country town were such things are even more rare.
my mom almost got pickpocketed once....but she realized what was about to happen and just walked away from the guy.
a couple of friends of mine were robbed walking to school a couple of times(but this was more of a bully type situation than an actuall street crime)

[econ21]

UK - suffered from burglary/car theft five times in ten years or so.

The most memorable time, the burglar smashed a house front window and grabbed a laptop in the middle of the night. An hour later, when the hullabaloo had died down, I was nodding off back to sleep and I heard him coming back for the power cord! In retropsect, it might be as well that I, being in the UK, was not allowed to have a gun. If I had been armed, curses might not have been the only thing I fired off at him as he fled (empty-handed this time). There's something rather scarey about the "flight or fight" response.

More generally, I am coming round to US views on gun control, but - as they say in Spiderman - with great power, comes great responsibility.

[Ser Clegane]

An hour later, when the hullabaloo had died down, I was nodding off back to sleep and I heard him coming back for the power cord!

Wow - that's pretty cheeky...

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I had my shed where i keep my drum kit robbed. They took a good number of my cds i kept in there. They left the cd player though and took the most obscure and most insane cds i had which left me shocked as they didn't take anything else and i doubt they could have a got much for the things they stole, probably enough for there next hit i suppose ~D

[Sjakihata]

I've been the victim of redrum ~:eek:

[Sigurd]

I was robbed last week by my brand car shop.
There was a noise in my engine and I negotiated a fair price to do the job that an expert mechanic had deduced just from the sound of it.
When I came to pick up my car they had added a 1700 NoK cost to additional parts etc. that was absolutely necessary for the engine to run safely.
Needless to say I was not willing to pay this bill right there and then.
It seems I will need a lawyer to help me get the originally price, but that will cost more than 1700 Nok, so I am basically screwed and will have to pay the new price…

[Proletariat]

That precise thing happened to me two weeks ago, Sigurd.

They said the rear differential on my car needed to be replaced for 14K USD. When they did that, they then said the problem still persisted and the front differential would have to be done for about 18K. Needless to say, I was a bit enraged.

In the US you can call AAA (if the shop is a member, which I think most are over here) and have them arbitrate the dispute. They ended up giving me the car back with the rear dif done for free. I was expecting the problem to still be there like the mechanic said, but lo and behold the car was completely fine. I guess they figured I'd be stupid enough to just let them go ahead and replace the front differential without me even coming down to check the car out first.

This worked out pretty well since I basically got the car fixed for free. (I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. The wheels will probably fall off later today since I'm here talking about my good luck.)

Anyway, good luck. Just another reason to move to a city with good public transit for me.

[Meneldil]

I mean violence, thefts, rubbery, murder ~:) or anything like that. Please explain what and in which country.



I've been murdered last week. Hopefully, I got back on my feet pretty quickly.


Seriously, I've been 'asked rather unpolitely' 10 francs when I was 10 (the people asking were girls, but they were like twice my size, so I gave them the money ~D )

Someone tried to rob my cellular phone and all my money last year, but after some negociation, he left with only 10 euros.

A friend of mine has been 'blackmailed' (I think that's how you say it) by two 12 year old gipsies. They wanted a cigarette, and since he refused to give them one, they started to hit him.

The worst thing I ever saw was when a group of 12-14 years old jerks started to yell things like 'I'm gonna f*** that b***' in my bus, cause there was a nice girl sitting here. It was disgusting, and as usual, none ever bothered to kick these jerks' bottoms.

Nothing really serious of course, but I read stories of people being killed by a gun owner from times to times in the news.

[Devastatin Dave]

The government rapes me every April 15th...

[Ja'chyra]

The government rapes me every April 15th...

You can always rely on DD :bow:

[Rodion Romanovich]

The state kept me locked in for 9 years, saying I had a "right" to be locked in like that, but I didn't feel about it that way because if I had refused they would have brought me to school violently. I don't know why they locked me in, I've never raped, murdered or stolen anything. Rapists get around 6 years (4 if they're nice to the prison guards) and murderers get around 12 (8 if they're nice to the prison guards). I got 9 years for being of the wrong age, no reduction of the sentence despite nice manners to the guards.

Once they had locked me in, they also exposed me to pshycological torture, threatened me and told me that if I didn't work hard enough in the school they had locked me up in, I'd never survive as an adult, that I'd end up on the street and die a most painful death.

I think that is to be considered the worst crime I've ever been exposed to.

...and they say it's not society's fault when small children go mad...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The government rapes me every April 15th...

Dave, Dave, Dave.....

The Government doesn't rape you every year, it does so twice a month. April 15th is the day you have to turn in the paperwork that proves how much fun they had at your expense.

Seamus

[Seamus Fermanagh]

More generally, I am coming round to US views on gun control, but - as they say in Spiderman - with great power, comes great responsibility.

Good story. Glad to see you coming over to the "right" sie of gun control. Though I would have to note that the USA is a occasionally too haphazard about the responsibility side.

Seamus

[Crazed Rabbit]

I've been the victim of redrum

You seem to have recovered quite well.


More generally, I am coming round to US views on gun control, but - as they say in Spiderman - with great power, comes great responsibility.

I think happy slappings would fall drastically if the English could carry handguns again.


The worst thing I ever saw was when a group of 12-14 years old jerks started to yell things like 'I'm gonna f*** that b***' in my bus, cause there was a nice girl sitting here. It was disgusting, and as usual, none ever bothered to kick these jerks' bottoms.

Dang. If I saw that, I'd kick their pathetic butts (providing they are 12-14 years old.)

As for me...my brother got beat up on a school bus once after making fun of this other kid. But that's about it.

Crazed Rabbit

[Idaho]

Been burgled while we slept years ago - only a cheap rental video taken, nothing else. Had my motorbike stolen.

Neither were a big deal and a gun wouldn't have prevented either or been worth killing someone for.

[Redleg]

Lets see - back in 1983 someone stole my car stero out of my car. It was kind of funny since the stero was broken anyway and I was about to replace it.

My House has been robbed twice. I believe once by my step-son's so called friends and most likely he was involved - since no windows were broken. But that was back when he was already in trouble with the local authority for minor stupidity on his part.

And once it was broken into - but nothing taken since it happened after 30 days after the 1st Robbery and all the good stuff had not been replaced yet. I laughed about that one.

Lucky for me my weapons were at my father's house - so no firearms were stolen.

By the way there is something to be said for letting your childern learn from their mistakes. After being sentenced to about 1 year in the local jail for behaviors similiar to breaking into homes - my stepson has since decided its better not to break the law - and get a real job. Got him cleaned up and working for a friend of mine - at a somewhat decent wage for the Dallas Area - 9.00 USD plus up to a 500 dollar bonus if they get all their orders out on time at each a certain sales level.

[lars573]

Canada 4-5 years ago. Got burgled twice. Both times in our garage. Now the garage in my house is not just a place for cars but is also has an apartment over it. Which we used as a rec room. So they (they were acuatences of my brother and I) looted the bottom part of the garage they went over it and took my stereo and game consoles and so on. We were alseep both times. But it's probably best we never caught then, as my dad probably would have beat them to death right them and there with his bare hands. My dad you see has been a carpenter/construction worker for the last 35 years, and has a temper (well we all do). Who needs a gun when you have bigs fists and air nailer and a crow bar.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

Burgled in Scotland: I got some of my more expensive stuff back when the police found it in the possession of somebody they busted for other offenses.

Mugged in Leeds, except, eh, I won and they buggered off so it was more an attempted mugging.

That's all I can think of off-hand.

My car got vandalised in Wales but I had left it lying in a car park for about a year so people just figured it was abandoned. I reckon some drunk idiots decided to smash up a deserted car for a laugh.

[English assassin]

Someone nicked the clocks off my motorbike once. What was worse was they didn't unplug the wires, they just cut through them (which was actually harder to do and required forward plannning or at least some pliers). Which was really annoying as it meant a fair bit of the wiring loom had to be replaced too.

And someone tried to pick my pocket on Oxford Street, but they weren't very good at it and ran away empty handed.

That's it. Mind you it would be a different story if I was 14 again no doubt.

[Lemur]

My family was robbed, quite blatantly, by firemen. Firemen! Unbelievable.

My father was in ill health, and there was a small fire in his den. 911 was called, dad evacuated to the hallway of the apartment building, and five firemen showed up in good order. They put out the fire and left. When we re-inspected the apartment, two of our most valuable family heirlooms were gone: A handwritten letter from George Washington to an ancestor of ours who did some Coloneling in the Revolutionary War, and a $1 bill printed with the name and likeness of another ancestor who lied and cheated until he got control of a bank in the 1800s. (The Feds didn't print money back then -- each bank did its own. So if you were vain enough, you could print bills with your face on them.)

Neither can be replaced. We scanned Ebay for months after hoping to see them up for sale. Dad was unwilling to confront the firehouse, for reasons that passeth understanding.

That's the worst crime in recent memory.

[Riedquat]

Two times in my life I had the disagreeable experience of being assaulted, the first time as approximately 16 years ago, I was waiting for the bus and two guys with guns stole from me all my capital of "australes" 5 (like u$s 0,000000000005) ~D .

The second time was approximately three years ago, I had a shop and a guy begun to steal me with a semiautomatic gun proceeding to put it in my head and to demand the money, which I reacted in a worst possible way, me resisted, I insulted him and threatened him with the fists :dizzy2: , in the end he went away without one cent. When I calmed down and took conscience of the events, the terror and the paranoia took possession of me.

I believe that if in this moment I should have a gun, I would be dead and would be another gun in the streets.

[Redleg]

My family was robbed, quite blatantly, by firemen. Firemen! Unbelievable.

My father was in ill health, and there was a small fire in his den. 911 was called, dad evacuated to the hallway of the apartment building, and five firemen showed up in good order. They put out the fire and left. When we re-inspected the apartment, two of our most valuable family heirlooms were gone: A handwritten letter from George Washington to an ancestor of ours who did some Coloneling in the Revolutionary War, and a $1 bill printed with the name and likeness of another ancestor who lied and cheated until he got control of a bank in the 1800s. (The Feds didn't print money back then -- each bank did its own. So if you were vain enough, you could print bills with your face on them.)

Neither can be replaced. We scanned Ebay for months after hoping to see them up for sale. Dad was unwilling to confront the firehouse, for reasons that passeth understanding.

That's the worst crime in recent memory.

Now that is just about the worst type of Crime - I really would of hoped that Firemen would of been above such petty behavior when doing their public service.

:furious3:

[Don Corleone]

Somebody stole my laptop out of my car, sitting in the driveway. Somebody tried to open our sliding glass door at 3:30 AM but ran back out of the yard through our fence when I turned the flood lights on. I got hit by a drunk on my bicycle one time and they drove off. Oh, I live in the dark shadows of Mordor.

[Lemur]

I really would of hoped that Firemen would of been above such petty behavior when doing their public service.
It never occurred to any of us that we should hide our valuables when calling in firemen. Really quite upsetting.

[Geoffrey S]

Um, my bike was nicked once. From a secure bike stall. But it was Utrecht, so you gets what you pays for.

[Meneldil]

So, as far as I can say, no one ever faced a situation that needed a gun ? No one had to use a gun to 'protect his freedom' (^^) ?

[Don Corleone]

So, as far as I can say, no one ever faced a situation that needed a gun ? No one had to use a gun to 'protect his freedom' (^^) ?

Oh was that this was all about? I thought you wanted to know how much each of us personally had been victimized, not the relative risk level of crime.

Five blocks away from my house, 3 teenagers broke into a woman's house and repeatedly raped her for 4 hours. They only made 1 arrest, and as his Miranda rights were violated (they kept asking him questions while his lawyer was in route) so they had to drop charges against him.

In light of that, I'm just fine with the idea of my wife being armed when I'm in China for a 2 week business trip.

I don't know what to tell you guys.... I'm very envious that things like rape, home invasions and murder are unheard of in Europe. Bully on you. But sadly, the United States is mired in a world where these crimes still exist. Maybe you all are right. Maybe if we outlawed guns, all crime in America would cease. I seriously doubt it, and I'm not willing to trust my wife's life & safety to it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, as far as I can say, no one ever faced a situation that needed a gun ? No one had to use a gun to 'protect his freedom' (^^) ?

I lived outside of a town of 9,000 people, in the country. I never walked the streets at night (but it probably wasn't dangerous anyway).

Crazed Rabbit

[Marcellus]

I haven't been a victim of crime myself, even though I live in a major city.

[Meneldil]

Oh was that this was all about? I thought you wanted to know how much each of us personally had been victimized, not the relative risk level of crime.



P.S.: I am still trying to understand why Americans think they must have guns and Europeans just don't care.

Looks like so.

Then, what would have happened if the woman had a gun ? Let's not start arguing over guns once again, but do you think she would have shot the 3 bastards ?

[Don Corleone]

I have no idea what that lady would have done with a firearm. I know that my wife, the daughter of a policeman, would have announced that she was armed and 5 seconds later, would have shot any of them that hadn't made an effort to leave.

You're right about the P.S. Melendil. After reading a page of what crimes people had actually endured, I forgot this was all supposed to be making the case that Americans should surrender their firearms.

If you don't mind my asking you all a different question, why are you so obsessed with our domestic policies? Have you ever heard an American rant and rave that Europe should allow personal firearms ownership, even if the majority of citizens are against it? Okay, Kaiser doesn't count... ~D

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

My familiy's car has been broken into a couple of times, both the same MO-the crooks used a crowbar to pry the door away from the frame. They didn't get away with more than a couple of CDs each time, though.

Our house was burglarised 10 years ago, as well. They got away with several grand's worth of my dad's Hi-Fi equipment, which we've never really managed to replace.

[PanzerJaeger]

Tricky question for me. About 5 years ago I went after some mexicans who were trying to break into my car. To even the numerical disadvantage i brought along a baseball bat.. got one of them pretty good.

It seems the legality of the whole situation was somewhat murky, and the one i smashed up sued me and won a rather large chunk of change... a small price to pay for the protection of my beautiful vehicle though. ~;)

[Rodion Romanovich]

So, as far as I can say, no one ever faced a situation that needed a gun ? No one had to use a gun to 'protect his freedom' (^^) ?

Well, I wouldn't have done any better with a gun. I would have needed 1000 M1 Abrams, 500 Apaches and 20 aircraft carriers, supported by 10k mechanized infantrymen!

[Steppe Merc]

A crime? I've had things stolen from me by my dogs...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Well, in Berlin a guy was about to pickpocket me, he was already reaching out, and I was getting ready to break his wrist (I'm serious, I was REALLY strong then in my arms), but he saw it twitch like I mean't buisness (and he saw the police), so he backed off. Another time a person in Toronto didn't had back my father's credit card, but he just cancelled it before any money was taken.

[kiwitt]

I had my car stolen while I was watching "Star Wars - Episode I". It was subsequently used in a burglary. The guys were caught and the car returned, albeit it damaged.

[Proletariat]

That's the worst crime in recent memory.

Everytime I read this I'm sickened again.




Five blocks away from my house, 3 teenagers broke into a woman's house and repeatedly raped her for 4 hours.

Where the hell do you live?! That's terrible.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Some "ganstas" tried to take one of my 9mms at the range once.... but the staff made them put it back. :furious3: (it also happened to be my shiniest one....guess they wanted a bling gun)

[Dâriûsh]

Here in the west, I’ve been verbally attacked a few times since that fateful September day a few years ago, mostly the usual “Arab-” or “Turk go home”, not physical crimes but hurtful nonetheless. Furthermore, on more than one occasion the police seem to have thought that I am the sort of man to carry knives and “graffiti”. They then proceeded to bemire my dignity in public with their loathsome questions and behaviour. Guilty before proven otherwise seem to be the standard these days.

But thankfully I haven’t been the victim of any violent crimes.

[Don Corleone]

Everytime I read this I'm sickened again.




Where the hell do you live?! That's terrible.

That's the whole point. It caused a huge uproar because it's supposedly a very low crime area. There had already been 2 breakins, then this. Thankfully, that was last summer, and after one hell of an expansion in police presence, and not a few citizens arming themselves, not much has happened since.

[Franconicus]

Don,

I do not want to offend Americans or the use of weapons there. I just try to understand why weapons are so important over there while they are absolutely no issue here in Europe. Crime coul be an explanation. And I did not just want to see statistics but the personal experience of the members here.

Another reason is that I have to make business trips to a couple of foreign countries. When I am in the US I feel very unsecure because I heard a lot of rumours about crime, gangs, drugs, weapons, death sentence ... . Even if they are all true i do not know how to weight them.

[GoreBag]

Personally a victim? Depends. I've been accosted, been on the receiving end of of racial slurs, threatened and attacked, but none of that happens that often. Coem to think of it, it rarely happens at all anymore. There was a drug bust down the road from my place, though, and a girl from my community has disappeared without a trace since...oh, about last week.

[Vykke]

When I was a kid, our house got burglarized while we were on vacation, though since I was too young to own any of the stuff that was taken, I would count it as my parents being robbed, really.

Other than that, I personally haven't ever been targeted. Just a couple weeks ago, though, there was an armed robbery outside emergency vet clinic where I work. A guy had noticed that his friend's dog was sick and brought it in to see us. The owner and a female companion (I don't know if she was his sister, girlfriend, or what) arrived when they heard about it to fill out the paperwork and see if their dog was okay. After sticking around for a while, they'd just left clinic around midnight to go home when a guy with a gun approached them in the parking lot and demanded they all hand over their money. They did. The guy then took off through a nearby apartment complex. It happened to have an armed security guard who was out and about at the time, and he saw the guy and thought he looked suspicious, so he approached him. The robber panicked and opened fire, hitting the guard in the shoulder. The guard shot back and hit the robber in the head. He died shortly afterward.

I didn't happen to be working that evening so I didn't hear about it until I went in the next day. It made the papers and everything. I never used to worry about working there late at night, but I guess all innocence must end sometime... ~:handball:

For reference, I live in Dallas, Texas.

[Franconicus]

I was once attacked by two drunk football hooligans. They were equipped with tear gas. That is all! I really feel safe here in Germany.

And once I when I was student I made a trip to Spain with three friends. When we visited Al Hambra someone broke the car.

[Idaho]

I had my car stolen while I was watching "Star Wars - Episode I". It was subsequently used in a burglary. The guys were caught and the car returned, albeit it damaged.

You were lucky - I had 2 hours of my life stolen watching that film that I will never get back ~;)

[The Stranger]

so many times i stopped counting...though not much got stolen from me (exect a minor things)

[The Stranger]

oh right here it comes

threatening (failed attempts)
armed robbery (failed attempt)
robbery (attempt didnt fail)
attempt of murder (attempt...well do i gotta say more)

and some minor things

[Magraev]

Here's my story about crimes:

- Got my wallet stolen at age 15 (two boys 1-2 years older snathced it in a park (Eastbourne, England). The police did nothing.
- Got my door bashed in at age 34 (Vejle), I wasn't home but nothing was taken??! The police did nothing.
- Got my door bashed in at age 34 AGAIN (Vejle again), this time I was at home and scared the two bozos away. The police looked around, but did nothing.
- Got a fist in the head at age 34 (Århus), some immigrant took offence to my cutting him off, blocked my car, raced up to my open car window, delivered a (thankfully weak) punch and went back to his own car. The police didn't get involved.

I'm looking forward to turning 35 this sunday ~;)

[bmolsson]

On at least a monthly basis. Worst attempted murder and kidnapping.

[monkian]

Me and 3 friends (and my ex girl friend) were physcially assualted by a gang of pissed up chavs on the way home from town one night when I was about 18.

Got quite a few cuts and bruises and suffered a concussion.

Was mugged in January for my phone and mp3 player, got punched and kicked to the floor and kicked untill I gave my stuff up.

[English assassin]

If you don't mind my asking you all a different question, why are you so obsessed with our domestic policies? Have you ever heard an American rant and rave that Europe should allow personal firearms ownership, even if the majority of citizens are against it

I can't say it really bothers me in the slightest since (1) I don't live in America and (2) none of my friends who do are exactly into robbery or rapes and so are most unlikely to be shot by an angry homeowner.

It is a bit interesting that in the US people want their own guns for protection and here in the UK, which is not so different in a lot of ways, even the (normal) police don't carry guns, but that is about it.

Incidentally, are anyone else's police unarmed? New Zealand? Norway? Does anyone know?

[The Stranger]

yup thats exactly my oppinion if you americans want to shoot each other go ahead as long as good P*** and movies are coming from it ~D

[Steppe Merc]

On at least a monthly basis. Worst attempted murder and kidnapping.
Wow...


Incidentally, are anyone else's police unarmed? New Zealand? Norway? Does anyone know?
I don't understand why the police in my town go armed. The worst crime I could think of was when people were starting fires in our school...

[scooter_the_shooter]

Just because something has never happened yet does not mean it won't, that is why police and average joe need guns!

[Rodion Romanovich]

Just because something has never happened yet does not mean it won't, that is why police and average joe need guns!

The criminals are also average joes...

[The Stranger]

Wow...


I don't understand why the police in my town go armed. The worst crime I could think of was when people were starting fires in our school...

jup indonesia is pretty rough ~;) ...

[khelvan]

In Silicon Valley our car was broken into and the CDs stolen. In Toronto while staying at a hotel our car window was smashed and a backpack full of school books was stolen. However, in my relatively short time living in Paris, I was mugged twice, once on the RER, and once in Pigalle (I know, I was asking for it).

[scooter_the_shooter]

The criminals are also average joes... No.. They are scum and should be shot.


I don't care if all some one does is jack a car. They have interrupted a decent person's life and proven they can't behave in society...they should shot.

[ah_dut]

No.. They are scum and should be shot.


I don't care if all some one does is jack a car. They have interrupted a decent person's life and proven they can't behave in society...they should shot.
So anyone who's ever commited a crime needs to be shot? a bit harsh don't you think? Let's shoot shoplifters...no, let's not. I don't think a carjacker or a burglar is exactly in need of a shooting either

[The Stranger]

No.. They are scum and should be shot.


I don't care if all some one does is jack a car. They have interrupted a decent person's life and proven they can't behave in society...they should shot.

what would you do if you had no place to go...hadnt had a decent education wich means you cant have a job...no house no clothes means you cant have a job. you gotta live outta trashcans, if you steal a car it means money or a nice warm place to stay of you got caught..it isnt right but its understandable...just wait till your son mugs a car and we'll see if you want him shot...if you do than you got the right to stay with your oppininion.

the fact that some people steal cars is as much the govrment fault as it is ours and theirs. ofcourse not all steal because they have no way out but alot do. so i think executing people for stealing a car is stupid. executing a person for stealing food is stupid. executing people at all is stupid.

[The Stranger]

oh wait...whats makes you scum...ever thought of the fact that if a 5 year old child steal food he should be shot...if a 10 year old is going to make a joyride he should be shot...if an 15 year old steals a car to impress his GF he should be shot...hmmm...only if your holy and if you would stick to your oppininion all through the way even when it would kill someone you love you must stick with this oppinion...

[Dîn-Heru]

Incidentally, are anyone else's police unarmed? New Zealand? Norway? Does anyone know?

The police in Norway are unarmed as in not carrying a sidearm when they are walking around.

But I think they have guns in their cars, I am not sure of the specific procedures to be followed in order for them to use these weapons, but I think the situation has to be very severe before they can use them. Normally a situation is handled through talking to the criminal, in order to make him surrender.

[Rodion Romanovich]

No.. They are scum and should be shot.


I don't care if all some one does is jack a car. They have interrupted a decent person's life and proven they can't behave in society...they should shot.

No that's not what I referred to when I said "the criminals are also average joes". I referred to that the criminals can also get hold of guns because they're considered average joes by the laws granting them firearms, at least before they've been arrested for crime for the first time. The original post I replied to said average joe should have the right to have firearms.

But I believe shot for stealing a car is a little harsh, but that's not a discussion I intend to have here. Starting that old discussion wasn't the point of my statement.

[scooter_the_shooter]

oh wait...whats makes you scum...ever thought of the fact that if a 5 year old child steal food he should be shot...if a 10 year old is going to make a joyride he should be shot...if an 15 year old steals a car to impress his GF he should be shot...hmmm...only if your holy and if you would stick to your oppininion all through the way even when it would kill someone you love you must stick with this oppinion...


You should read some of my other post on the subject... I do make some exceptions to my "kill them all rule"

For example the people that had no food in New orleans went and looted some...to me that is understandable.

I also have said to make exceptions for children. If they steal a car give them 5 years in juvy no parole at all.(or something equally harsh)


just wait till your son mugs a car and we'll see if you want him shot...if you do than you got the right to stay with your oppininion.




He would be raised not to do Something like that.



And the people who steal cars for a roof over their head have no reason too....ever hear of a shelter ~;)


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what would you do if you had no place to go...hadnt had a decent education wich means you cant have a job...no house no clothes means you cant have a job. you gotta live outta trashcans,

I don't know what I would do.... but I probably wouldn't steal a car, there are shelters to go to!

[The Stranger]

if the shelters are so good why do most still require a slight pay for the food and stay. even the army of heaven (translated the best way i can) requires a slight pay for their service. you can beg or steal a car...those with pride will steal a car, those who cant raise the required pay will steal a car.

Those without a future, cant look forward. these people live one day at a time, you know youll prolly wont die today...but do they. remember that before you decide everyone should be shot

and about your son: YOURE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION. I DIDNT SAID HE WOULD I SAID HE IF HE WOULD. if you dont answer this question... i know enough.

[The Stranger]

and agian (no edit button) did you ever heard of OVERcrowded shelters.

[Viking]

what would you do if you had no place to go...hadnt had a decent education wich means you cant have a job...no house no clothes means you cant have a job. you gotta live outta trashcans, if you steal a car it means money or a nice warm place to stay of you got caught..it isnt right but its understandable...just wait till your son mugs a car and we'll see if you want him shot...if you do than you got the right to stay with your oppininion.

the fact that some people steal cars is as much the govrment fault as it is ours and theirs. ofcourse not all steal because they have no way out but alot do. so i think executing people for stealing a car is stupid. executing a person for stealing food is stupid. executing people at all is stupid.

If you haven`t got a basic education, and is not able to get a job, it`s your own fault. There`s lots of jobs out there. They don`t deserve anything else than a solid kick up their arse so they start doing something properly.

[Meneldil]

I think people who want to shot everyone around them are scum, and thus should be shot.
WHere's the world going with that kind of statement :help:

[The Stranger]

nobody will take a man that cant do anything...would you hire a total noob to a difficult job...why the hell do you think you need CV's.

is it his fault that his dad couldnt pay school? there are lots of jobs out there but is that the truth...if there are somany jobs why is the number of jobless people so high...is it becuz the jobs are so numerous.

there is always an better candidate if you havent got education. the number of people for the job is great the number of jobs arent...but oke lets do it this way

you had a good job, your company bankrupted and you got fired...youre 50 years old and nobody wants you for a job. you live from a govermentcheck but it cants support you...you loose your house cuz you cant pay rent. now youre homeless. once your homeless where will you stay...some friends pick you up but you cant stay long...within a moth youre homeless again. you cant cash your check cuz it has no adress anymore...you go to the shelter but you must pay a bit first. you have no money so youll cast away your dignity and start begging. nobody sees you and you end up with 50 cent thrown to you by a 5 year old child. you go to the shelter they say they can offer you some food but nothing else...the place is crowded...you eat the food and go look for a nice tree to sleep under...next day again you start begging...again nothing...you see a car and think to yourself everyone has abandoned me...its all about me now i gotta take care of myself and steal the car...

Is This Fate His Fault??? think before you speak...Yall talk big, but wait till you see and taste poverty yourself...you dont have to worry about tomorrow so you can talk smoothly...and say fuck them i'm not like m...nothing will happen to me anyway...wait and see till this fate will becomes yours or your families...than i'll ask you again if you have the same opininion

[scooter_the_shooter]

I think people who want to shot everyone around them are scum, and thus should be shot.
WHere's the world going with that kind of statement :help:


I dont Know about france but in america every one is not a criminal....and I dont associate with ex cons or criminals so.....none of them are "around me"!




Stranger no I would not want him killed. No one wants their family members killed.

But once again I do not even have to worry if he would because

1 I dont have a son,

2 If I did he would be raised better then a thug,

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strange.....


btw who the hell is going to steal a car if they know they will be shot! ~;)

[scooter_the_shooter]

This thread is getting derailed.


If some one wants they can start a thread about it(and we can continue this there). But it won't change anything. From reading the post here I can tell the world has gotten to soft on criminals.

[Viking]

nobody will take a man that cant do anything...would you hire a total noob to a difficult job...why the hell do you think you need CV's.

is it his fault that his dad couldnt pay school? there are lots of jobs out there but is that the truth...if there are somany jobs why is the number of jobless people so high...is it becuz the jobs are so numerous.

there is always an better candidate if you havent got education. the number of people for the job is great the number of jobs arent...but oke lets do it this way

you had a good job, your company bankrupted and you got fired...youre 50 years old and nobody wants you for a job. you live from a govermentcheck but it cants support you...you loose your house cuz you cant pay rent. now youre homeless. once your homeless where will you stay...some friends pick you up but you cant stay long...within a moth youre homeless again. you cant cash your check cuz it has no adress anymore...you go to the shelter but you must pay a bit first. you have no money so youll cast away your dignity and start begging. nobody sees you and you end up with 50 cent thrown to you by a 5 year old child. you go to the shelter they say they can offer you some food but nothing else...the place is crowded...you eat the food and go look for a nice tree to sleep under...next day again you start begging...again nothing...you see a car and think to yourself everyone has abandoned me...its all about me now i gotta take care of myself and steal the car...

Is This Fate His Fault??? think before you speak...Yall talk big, but wait till you see and taste poverty yourself...you dont have to worry about tomorrow so you can talk smoothly...and say fuck them i'm not like m...nothing will happen to me anyway...wait and see till this fate will becomes yours or your families...than i'll ask you again if you have the same opininion

All that you talk about wouldn`t happen in my country, the goverment would take care of you. The school doesn`t cost any money the first ten years here either, and when you`ve finished those you`re old enough to take smaller jobs that could pay for your education. If the system in the Netherlands doesn`t take care of you if you`ve lost your job and can`t get any new, well then IMO, it doesn`t work there. We`re south of the north/south boundary, the states actually got money here.

[The Stranger]

people that dont fear death cuz they dont have a life...

[scooter_the_shooter]

If they dont care if they die...why would the steal a car for shelter?


This is my last post in here. If you want to continue this start a new thread.

[The Stranger]

i never said the would steal one for a shelter...they would steal one to live again

and...Viking you say that will never happen at yours...how sure are you. ofcourse the goverment here takes care of that but when you dont have a home they wond send a check.

do you really think that the money you'll raise youre 15 will help you get a good education...youll need the money for food so you cant go to school. you need to work so you cant go to school.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I was just mugged by BKS ~D

[The Stranger]

~:eek: shoot him

[Viking]

and...Viking you say that will never happen at yours...how sure are you. ofcourse the goverment here takes care of that but when you dont have a home they wond send a check.

do you really think that the money you'll raise youre 15 will help you get a good education...youll need the money for food so you cant go to school. you need to work so you cant go to school.

They will pay you insurance(right word??) until you`re back in work. The insurance should cover costs for food and house rents. The only(as far as I know) homeless in Norway are the drugtakers, and it`s purely their own fault that they`re homeless.

You`ll only need to pay for the books, pluss the goverment provides you with some money. You don`t need to get a good education to live a good life either. Most people take up a loan that they use a great part of their lives to pay back. If you loose your job, the money you get from the state is enough to pay that too.

[The Stranger]

hmmm...well i'm happy it works that way at yours...but you'll prolly be one of the few that live under such law...atleast if all is the way you say it is (not that i dont believe oyu)

[Meneldil]

I dont Know about france but in america every one is not a criminal....and I dont associate with ex cons or criminals so.....none of them are "around me"!

I was just meaning that I find your point of view to be more than silly. Then again, I think that's a difference between Europe and US, but here, justice's only aim is not to punish, but also to help people to get back in the society and to get a second chance, if they deserve it. This is obviously something you do not know.





btw who the hell is going to steal a car if they know they will be shot! ~;)

Weird, in Islamic countries, people who steal get their hand cut, yet they keep stealing ? They must be either really dumb or desesperate, heh ? Who would steal, knowing he would have his hand cut ?
The death penalty is clearly not a way to reduce criminalty, as the past has proven.

Now, if I was as extremistic as you, I'd say that all SUV owners should be shot, all people who pollute more than me and don't [care] about it should be shot, etc. but you know what, that would be pretty stupid.

[scooter_the_shooter]

My uncle told me about boberan(a muslim place he went to when he was in the navy) they leave gold out and people won't steal it...why? they get there head or foot or hand.....one of them I cant remember cut off. I see no problem with that.

[The Stranger]

in canada the leave their doors unlocked even through night...while the houses in the USA with 7 locks still get robbed...USA has deathpenalty Canada doesnt...but still the criminality in canada is way lower than in the USA

maybe people in Bobaran dont steal cuz its considered a discrase to them and their family but when they have none and theyre desperate to survive they would steal it...cuz no shot is always miss

[Gawain of Orkeny]

in canada the leave their doors unlocked even through night...while the houses in the USA with 7 locks still get robbed...USA has deathpenalty Canada doesnt...but still the criminality in canada is way lower than in the USA

Is that so?


Violent Crime: Canada vs. U.S.
Who has the highest rate of violent crime - Canada or the United States? Conventional wisdom would have you believe that the United States does. But if you believe that, you would be flat out wrong. In fact, when you compare apples to apples, Canada has a violent crime rate that is almost twice as high as it is in the United States.

Violent crime in America: 561 per 100,000
Violent crime in Canada: 981 per 100,000

[scooter_the_shooter]

WHAT

stranger...



lock your doors....It's better then getting robbed

[The Stranger]

i didnt said locking your doors is wrong...i said it doesnt means it wil get you a lower crime rate...

thanx Gawain for the info...could you get me one on of the total crimes

[Marcellus]

Gawain - where did you get those figures from? It's just that I suspect that those statistics may have originally been taken from this (http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/index.html) website (well, they probably weren't, but we can still use the website for analysis).

At first glance, it would appear that America has very low violent crime rates:

USA: 506.1 violent crimes/ 100,000 people
Canada: 981.7
England (not UK): 1390

However, you soon realise that these statistics cannot be compared directly with each other, because violent crime's definition varies greatly between countries. This is made clear when you look at the numbers quoted for New Zealand (which is the country all others are compared to). In each case the numbers for NZ are based on the definition of violent crime in the country it is compared to.

NZ (compared to USA): 132.6
NZ/Canada: 551.1
NZ/England: 1204.5

Comparing violent crime in each of these countries as a ratio of number of violent crimes in each country per violent crime in New Zealand (per 100,000 people) are:

USA: 3.82/1
Canada: 1.78/1
England: 1.15/1

N.B. These figures are approximate and assume approximately the same distribution of different types of violent crime across all of the countries.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Proving that Americans have a higher tolerance for pain! :smug:

[Shaka_Khan]

...Seriously, I've been 'asked rather unpolitely' 10 francs when I was 10 (the people asking were girls, but they were like twice my size, so I gave them the money ~D )...
When I was eight, two teenaged girls wrapped me and my bicycle up with tape. They wore 80s style (like Madonna and Micheal Jackson which are close to punk (although they didn't sing punk)) so I was frightened. They wrapped so much tape that I never got all of it out of the wheel. Now that I think of it, I'm disappointed that nothing more happened. ~D

[The Stranger]

Gawain - where did you get those figures from? It's just that I suspect that those statistics may have originally been taken from this (http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/index.html) website.

At first glance, it would appear that America has very low violent crime rates:

USA: 506.1 violent crimes/ 100,000 people
Canada: 981.7
England (not UK): 1390

However, you soon realise that these statistics cannot be compared directly with each other, because violent crime's definition varies greatly between countries. This is made clear when you look at the numbers quoted for New Zealand (which is the country all others are compared to). In each case the numbers for NZ are based on the definition of violent crime in the country it is compared to.

NZ (compared to USA): 132.6
NZ/Canada: 551.1
NZ/England: 1204.5

Comparing violent crime in each of these countries as a ratio of number of violent crimes in each country per violent crime in New Zealand (per 100,000 people) are:

USA: 3.82/1
Canada: 1.78/1
England: 1.15/1

thank you...it seemed odd to me...but offcourse it could be true...

[The Stranger]

actually i would like to see one in percents...that would really be helpful...

[Marcellus]

actually i would like to see one in percents...that would really be helpful...

Well, that means that...

There is 15% more violent crime (per 100,000 people, approximately) in England compared to in NZ

There is 78% more violent crime (per 100,000 people, approximately) in Canada compared to in NZ

There is 282% more violent crime in the USA (per 100,000 people, approximately) compared to in NZ

and so...

There is 115% more violent crime in the USA (per 100,000 people, approximately) compared to in Canada

There is 55% more violent crime in Canada (per 100,000 people, approximately) compared to in England

There is 232% more violent crime in the USA (per 100,000 people, approximately) compared to in England.

I hope that helps. ~:)

[The Stranger]

yeah thanx....see i was RIGHT hahahahahaha

[ScionTheWorm]

some burglars broke into my parents house two nights ago. nobody home, they left with a lot of antique stuff, much which was handmade by my grand grand father. probably not worth much for them, that's the most irritating part. if I had a gun I would probably not shoot them, but I wouldn't like to be them in my morbid fantasies

[The Stranger]

ahahhahaha so i can believe

[Franconicus]

This thread is getting derailed.


If some one wants they can start a thread about it(and we can continue this there). But it won't change anything. From reading the post here I can tell the world has gotten to soft on criminals.
From reading the posts here I think there is more crime where people carry guns.

[Divinus Arma]

I own a Glock model 22 .40 caliber semiautomatic handgun.

I was an undercover operative in a NCIS criminal investigation into a corrupt Military Police K9 unit. My statement and testimony ended with six court martials. One guy evaded court martial because he murdered a guy in another state in a drunken rage and was taken by the authorities. He was given a less than honorable administrative discharge and sent off to be tried for murder.

Think I need a gun? I sure do.

The fact that I work in Law Enforcement pretty much demands it. Never know who I might run into.

[ScionTheWorm]

wow that's so far away from the reality in my country. I don't know anybody owning a gun

[GoreBag]

some burglars broke into my parents house two nights ago. nobody home, they left with a lot of antique stuff, much which was handmade by my grand grand father. probably not worth much for them, that's the most irritating part. if I had a gun I would probably not shoot them, but I wouldn't like to be them in my morbid fantasies

A girl from my community was found dismembered yesterday, near a nature trail. They've only been able to identify her today.

Probably looks bad with those "violent crime" statistics.

[Shaka_Khan]

In what city or town do you live in? ~:eek: