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The Stranger
10-08-2005, 21:07
be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit
Craterus
10-08-2005, 21:08
See how much they'll pay you... but I'm not sure if I could ever believe in another religion, but I admit I have my doubts about Christianity. :hair:
Kaiser of Arabia
10-08-2005, 21:30
Uh...no?
Craterus
10-08-2005, 21:36
How would they force you to believe? It's impossible. So, yeah, take as much money as you can. Say you are believeing their religion, and continue to do what you want about your real faith.
Strike For The South
10-08-2005, 21:48
By the time there done with me They will be part of my religon
I am a god. Believe in me and I`ll reserve you a great place in heaven.
be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit Only one: proof of the deity ~:)
Divinus Arma
10-08-2005, 23:02
I need a little something extra to convince that Jesus was anything more than the most hyped up man in human history, with the buddah coming in a distant second and muhammed a very distant angry third.
bmolsson
10-09-2005, 03:57
be forced to change or addapt/take a religion...if you would what would be your price or limit
I would change religion at any time if it would benefit me, my fortune or the world peace...... ~:grouphug:
Kaiser of Arabia
10-09-2005, 03:58
By the time there done with me They will be part of my religon
The Church of Strike For the South, LTD? ~D Just kidding.
Big_John
10-09-2005, 04:02
i would adopt any religion as quick as you can say "cornbread" if it gets me glorious, shining riches! the exact price would depend on the reliigon and how strict a practitioner i would have to be.
cha-ching! :greedy:
Uesugi Kenshin
10-09-2005, 04:08
They would have to beat the Atheism out of me, and even then it probably wouldn't be enough if only because I'd end up defying them just to spite them.
Of course if the deity came down (or from wherever they happen to be) and it was proven that it was a god, then I'd believe, but probably not worship or follow.
I'm just a bit stubborn and individualistic.
AntiochusIII
10-09-2005, 04:14
I need a little something extra to convince that Jesus was anything more than the most hyped up man in human history, with the buddah coming in a distant second and muhammed a very distant angry third.Gah! Buddha is the man. Every real Buddhist who have any knowledge of Buddhism history knows that! Those fools who believe him God forget that even if the whole heaven-hell-and-something-we-called-nirvana-thing is real, Nirvana is still the abandonment of existence (hence ultimate peace) and the Buddha achieved it, supposedly. He's no more, either way.
But, of course, it's always good to have the prophet of a major religion to serve as the spiritual champion of the hippies. ~D
I am a god. Believe in me and I`ll reserve you a great place in heaven.You do not believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster!? You...you..."u g0 t0 h311!!!1!111!!!!" ~D
Now, to finally seriously discuss the topic:
As others have said. The deity only have to show himself and the crowd attitude will sweep over the world in no time, and that deity will be worshiped almost universally throughout. For a while, at least. However, with the absence of the deity's real presence, we can only assume if there is one or not. And it is a very hard process to actually change one's mind regarding his or her personal spiritual belief. It may be easy for, say, the Spanish government to demand that all immigrants in Texas/Mexico must be Catholics, and everybody are officially Catholics. But the fact is that most continued to worship the way they did before. Even more extreme examples such as the forced conversion of Eastern Germany to Catholicism by Charlemagne, the process was bloody and took generations--different peoples--to succeed.
As for me, I tend to have a small stroke of nihilism when "God" is mentioned. In a way, that God might have been me. ~;) After all, if I really am a nihilist, "God" is just another concept of my mind. And therefore part of my mind. And therefore, in the end, "God" is just a part of me.
IF I am a nihilist, though, which I'm not. For my opinion of them is that they are the epitome of vanity.
Strike For The South
10-09-2005, 05:16
The Church of Strike For the South, LTD? ~D Just kidding.
Southern Baptist the best christians ever :cowboy:
bmolsson
10-09-2005, 11:18
Southern Baptist the best christians ever :cowboy:
Never heard of them.... ~D
Samurai Waki
10-09-2005, 11:21
First I would say no. and then if push came to shove I'd take down as many of those bastards with me as possible.
The Stranger
10-09-2005, 11:32
lets put i this way...They would threathen your family and theyll kill them if you wont...if you will your family wont get hurt. they'll monitor you and if you dont strictly follow the religions rules...theyll kill your family...thank you :bow and have a nice day
mystic brew
10-09-2005, 11:41
well, there's two things, religion and faith.
for the purposes of this particular question i would suggest a division here, between faith - an internal belief, and religion - a set of cultural observations. It's a heuristic thing.
And so my answer is pretty clear, based on this. It's absolutely possible to force religious observance, but internal faith not.
care to elaborate the question?
The Stranger
10-09-2005, 11:55
i'm talking bout religion...not faith :wink: but youre absolutly right
mystic brew
10-09-2005, 13:13
well, in that case, i know several people who, to a greater or lesser extent, have adopted the religion of their partner.
I'm not sure to what extent they are people with 'faith'. speaking to one of them about their belief in god, she used of a 'deist' stance, and prayed, but not in an organised way. so for her, the conversion wasn't to another faith so much as to any specific faith.
and i went to a school which insisted on going to chapel and christian relgious observance for all, regardless of faith. In that case i guess i could have kicked up a fuss, but didn't.
So my barrier to being forced to religious observation is that low!
*laughs*
Wow. strike me a man of principle.
Tribesman
10-09-2005, 13:46
Southern Baptist the best christians ever
Which Southern Baptists would those be then ?and isn't the Southern Baptist Union really a contridiction of Baptist ideas .
What makes it better than the Presbyterian , Congregationalist , Quaker , Reformist , Orthodox , Monophysite , Nestorian , Calvinist , Methodist , Amish , Waldensian , Eastern Rite , Episcopalian and Lutheran Christians.
Apart from all of them being heretics who will be condemned to eternal damntion~D ~D ~D
But more importantly and to the topic at hand ...how much are they offering ?
And is it cash or check ?~;)
Strike For The South
10-09-2005, 18:16
Southern Baptist the best christians ever
Which Southern Baptists would those be then ?and isn't the Southern Baptist Union really a contridiction of Baptist ideas .
What makes it better than the Presbyterian , Congregationalist , Quaker , Reformist , Orthodox , Monophysite , Nestorian , Calvinist , Methodist , Amish , Waldensian , Eastern Rite , Episcopalian and Lutheran Christians.
Apart from all of them being heretics who will be condemned to eternal damntion~D ~D ~D
But more importantly and to the topic at hand ...how much are they offering ?
And is it cash or check ?~;)
If we want to get real techneical my chruch is part of the Texas baptist convention becuase those boys from the Southren convention were fundys (yes even for bible beating me) and Its free to join and if you act now you get an I love Jesus bumper sticker at no extra cost
Uesugi Kenshin
10-09-2005, 18:24
Hmmm my family eh?
Well that would require a lot of thought. Not sure what would happen then.
Money for joining a religion would be nice. I meant you don't actually have to believe it/go to meetings/do the afterlife bit or anything.
Strike For The South
10-09-2005, 19:21
Southern Baptist huh? Sort of like this guy?
One of Fred Phelps' websites. (http://www.godhatesfags.com/)
You also know Baptists aren't allowed to Drink, right?
:rollseye: Yes Gc I love Fred Phelps. And I have heard it all before no drinking, no dancing etc. but let me tell you forgiveness is great.
Tribesman
10-09-2005, 19:46
Strike FTS , your comment If we want to get real techneical my chruch is part of the Texas baptist convention becuase those boys from the Southren convention were fundys reminds me of this......http://www.shipoffools.com/Features/2005/10_funny.html
Go to the number one joke of the top 10~D ~D ~D
Oh but EVERYBODY !!!!!!!DO NOT CLICK on that link if you are unable to laugh about religeon or are easily offended and think that everone is out to bash your beliefs . Just visit Phelps site instead~;)
The Stranger
10-09-2005, 19:54
on topic please....did i said that ~:eek:
Alexanderofmacedon
10-09-2005, 22:56
Southern Baptist the best republican christians ever :cowboy:
~;)
Al Khalifah
10-10-2005, 16:06
If those pesky Almohads managed to invade Mercia I'd probably change religion eventually. Provided they kept the place garissoned and moved in some Imans - otherwise... NO WAY
Seriously though, you couldn't force me to change religion. Threatening death would not disuade me and even if I did say I'd changed religion I wouldn't mean it. The threat of death doesn't really work.
For me, religious questions are essentially factual ones - there either is or is not a god (or whatever). Whether there being a god is a nice idea, whether it makes you feel a certain way, whether it is a good or bad thing etc is all ultimately irrelevant. Much as I might be attracted to a faith in certain circumstances, I find I can no more believe it than I can believe sticking my hand into the fire is not going to hurt me; or believe that there is a pink dragon in my garage. I could - and would - fake belief to save my life or someone else's but I could not actually believe.
Sjakihata
10-10-2005, 17:20
I'd swap my 'religion' to atheism. I believe it was the US Supreme Court that ruled that atheism was a religion, so that's my religion.
The Stranger
10-10-2005, 17:20
k...i see
Tribesman
10-10-2005, 20:20
k...i see
Well Stranger , it is a very wierd question you have put forward .
How can you force someone to change religeon ?
if you would what would be your price or limit
Well pulling of fingernails might not be enough , but I suppose a red-hot poker through the eyeball might just push the limit ?~:confused:
I'd swap my 'religion' to atheism. I believe it was the US Supreme Court that ruled that atheism was a religion, so that's my religion.
Bleh. Religion is a belief, atheism is not. The supreme court should eat their words
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